h2-discussion

[nimble inlet]

Oh look! It’s orphan meli

[frank mulch]

much to worry about

[nimble inlet]

Yes

[frank mulch]

that’s what they call her

On account of being an orphan. OR SO THEY SAY

[candid geode]

I already have zagreus from the portrait and I'm waiting for his display in v.1

[frank mulch]

oh yeah Mel brooding over the family portrait is a good example of “angst”

[wind blaze]

dont know if i want to go up or down for my first 1.0 run

[candid geode]

Zagreus pre-hades2: this is me, 12 hrs before my shift
Zagreus hades 2 v.1:

https://tenor.com/view/взгляд-2000-ярдов-война-war-soldier-gif-3632617944134077161

[frank mulch]

Look up at the sky

[candid geode]

look at the flowers

[nimble inlet]

POV: meli stubs her pinky toe

Ah I can’t paste

Wait

[frank mulch]

Apply it somehow. Look up at the sky

I wonder how these people are doing now

[nimble inlet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1307464504069849159/1418559586457227315/image0.jpg?ex=68ce9010&is=68cd3e90&hm=127e07895b555386914a1438baf19f603694bd2be93db5988975dc6b4c612869&

[sharp cosmos]

I don't get it, is the point just absurd humor ?

[frank mulch]

That lego is not surviving the encounter

[candid geode]

Sp please manifesting hecate face reveal

PLEASE I PAID MY DUES I WAS A WORTHY PATRON OF THE MOON I BEG OF THEE

[nimble inlet]

Lego as leg - o?

Like boyo?

[sharp cosmos]

Omega leg moves confirmed for 1.0 ????!?!

[nimble inlet]

Did you not go to the springs?

[nimble inlet]

Yes

[frank mulch]

Ages ago this type of format meme was popular online I think it was especially on instagram
So it said different things but this one in particular was edited so only the first picture repeats instead of the other pictures

[candid geode]

No I mean full face

Mask off

[orchid acorn]

thats not a full face https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hades_gamepedia_en/images/2/2b/Portraits_Hecate_Bath_01.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20250409041307

[candid geode]

https://tenor.com/view/radio-rebel-face-gif-21734236

[sharp cosmos]

Damn, can't wait to challenge Chronos to a dance-off, and he'll get so humiliated and exhausted he'll just break apart into his pieces

[nimble inlet]

Melinoe goes to miyagi do and cobra Kai to learn offensive and defensive kicks

[sharp cosmos]

And since Typhon can't dance, you automatically win against him, therefore banishing him as the losing punishment

[prisma monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-party-dance-off-chris-pratt-gif-14607309

[sharp cosmos]

I've figured the plot a week earlier, take that sgg 😎

(Please don't send the pinkertons to my house)

[orchid acorn]

god my brain NEEDS patch notes

my theory crafting brain requires this info

[sharp cosmos]

Randle casually revealing the secret chats

[orchid acorn]

someone leak them to me thx AD i know you have the inside info

[nimble inlet]

Nah nah

Messed up with the media link

[sharp cosmos]

messsage link instead of media link, a classic

[nimble inlet]

Don’t know about you I’m already practicing in the crossroads https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1307464504069849159/1418561046834057357/ScreenRecording_09-19-2025_14-33-06_1.mov?ex=68ce916d&is=68cd3fed&hm=461e0c3bd54936e4ca4e13c7146ed083e0dac3c30de14752c89d4a515fc7ca3b&

[nimble inlet]

Indeed

[candid geode]

They've been practicing that bit all week

[frank mulch]

More examples bc I’m going down memory lane imagine the second one redacts the “ugly”. I would never go out with a girl cause I don’t think they exist
And so on

[nimble inlet]

Hac is just keeping safe in the pandemic

[orchid acorn]

hac

[sharp cosmos]

On another random topic, please tell me my media literacy isn't that failing and that Meli is the goddess of nightmares ?

[nimble inlet]

Hec

[orchid acorn]

that would be correct

[nimble inlet]

Hecate

[orchid acorn]

its also stated ingame

[nimble inlet]

Yeah Hec

[orchid acorn]

"The Nightmare Goddess stands before me in all her glory..."

[candid geode]

Just saying she has a mask on in a hotspring and you're expecting me to NOT be curious??

[nimble inlet]

Nightmares and ghosts

[sharp cosmos]

Oh, who says that ? I think I didn't see it yet

[orchid acorn]

Od

[nimble inlet]

Is it Ody

Yay

[sharp cosmos]

The actual reason is because the artist wanted to cut costs by not drawing a face, trust

[frank mulch]

You can look up on theoi which is usually a lot of info about Greek myth that goes more in depth than Wikipedia

[nimble inlet]

My spelling is out the window today

[frank mulch]

…or in the game. Yeah

[candid geode]

https://tenor.com/view/broke-no-cash-gif-25565154

With all the money they will earn when v.1 hits they gotta give me SOMETHING

🤲

[nimble inlet]

Her nose

[frank mulch]

Well doesn’t meli mention in the childhood flashback that she was scarred in a battle against chronos? it will likely be a scar then

lol

[nimble inlet]

At best

[candid geode]

I feel like a man in the 14th century seeing a woman's ankle for the first time

OH GREAT HEAVENS!

[frank mulch]

I feel like this often

[sharp cosmos]

iirc she just says that she got scars, physics and mental

[nimble inlet]

That’s a wild comparison

[frank mulch]

And a valid one

[nimble inlet]

Ig

Hec just doesn’t want to catch corona

[sharp cosmos]

Moderator-approved thirst

[frank mulch]

I don’t remember I think she just asks if he hurt Hecate
I mean she is a child and probably does not grasp the concept of mental trauma

Yet. I think she gets familiar with it in the game lmaooo

[sharp cosmos]

Nah, her youth is perfectly fine

[frank mulch]

I have said worse. Or better. Depends?

[candid geode]

How does that meme go

[sharp cosmos]

You never visited your father in jail on your way to beat up your granpa with a skull ?

[nimble inlet]

I’ve seen worse

From you tho

[candid geode]

The older The fruit The sweeter it is or smth

[nimble inlet]

The older the ginger the spicier

[sharp cosmos]

I only know the french equivalent

[candid geode]

I like this

[frank mulch]

yeah ok check this out
Prometheus is hot. Amiright? Fire we’ve all seen it

[nimble inlet]

Wise saying from an ancient Chinese dude

[candid geode]

So 🔥

[sharp cosmos]

Well duh, he stole the fire from the gods

[orchid acorn]

genderbend incantation when

does sgg even care about us? smh

[candid geode]

The flashback does hint at it

[frank mulch]

If dionysus thought so, so mote it be

[nimble inlet]

Prom is one of my favorite characters from Hades and for a reason

[candid geode]

I like a goddess with emotional baggage

[nimble inlet]

Well yeah he’s hot but like, he is really cool

[orchid acorn]

that line of dialogue is still so funny to me

"Zag man you look different.... I like it!" or something

[candid geode]

Wait we are focusing on his dialogue when he appears??

[frank mulch]

Yeah! Congratulating zag on her transition. In better circumstances perhaps

[nimble inlet]

What do we have here some sort of nymph? Wait those eyes.. Zag man!? You look different, I like it!

[candid geode]

Ya but that one dialogue where he offers Mel to swoon Heracles to join the hotspring cause she's a girl and can do girl things

[nimble inlet]

Something like that

[candid geode]

Dionysus i hate to tell you this but he don't like girls [looks at Prometheus]

[orchid acorn]

i don't recall that one, i remember him telling us to try talking prom into it

[candid geode]

No it was heracles

I had the dialogue yesterday

[orchid acorn]

i know theres prom dialogue like 100

[acoustic ruin]

I don't think dion wants him to like girls 💀...

[nimble inlet]

Yeah

[orchid acorn]

i don't KNOW i theres a heracles one, but i know for a fact one is for prom

[nimble inlet]

Same

[frank mulch]

Ya he thinks Mel is Zag is what I mean. But hes drunk as hellll

We know this about him

[orchid acorn]

Prometheus
Dialogue 01

Melinoë : "Have you had an run-ins with Prometheus? Since Chronos wouldn't dare show his face on this mountain, he must have sent this lackey of his to keep all of Olympus occuiped."

Dionysus: "Prometheus, he's back?! I must be out of the loop. Thought he was still strapped to some mountainside, getting his innards gnawed at by an Eagle, something nasty of the sort!"

Melinoë : "That did supposedly occur. But he is definitely back, personally leading the vanguard trying to tear Olympus apart. If he prevails ... no more feasting."

Dionysus: "Hahahaha, come on, baby, it can't be all that bad! What's he going to do, cook our food with the flame he took from Dad? Tell you what, next time you see him, tell him to stop by!"

[nimble inlet]

Maybe it’s different for each user and it’s one of the two in random? Like I doubt that but it’ll be a cool feature

[orchid acorn]

yeah i don't know what you are imagining cause im nto seeing any heracles dialogue here

it ends with this

Melinoë : "I felt quite foolish, but did ask Prometheus on your behalf if he'd attend this feast. He already knew what I was going to say, being the Titan of Foresight and all. He sensed no ill motive ... and took it for a fiendish trap for that very reason."

Dionysus: "And he's supposed to be one of the wiser ones? What made you all so cynical, baby? You don't trust anyone or anything! No wonder everything is all screwed up out there!"

Melinoë : "So you do know things are dire! I thought you weren't paying any attention, burying your head in the sand and tuning out whatever you've no wish to hear."

Dionysus: "You got it half right. See, I don't like to worry about the things I can't control! Wine, I can control. The quality of this feast, I can control! But all the in-fighting? Heh. Plenty of other gods who specialize in that."

[frank mulch]

That’s kind of funny. Dionysus. Get help

[candid geode]

😩 I'm not crazy I literally came across the dialogue about it yesterday about dion and mel talking about heracles always doing his duties and there's no way Mel could convince him to join for a soak in the hotsprings with Dionysus

Also smth about him having a drinking contest with him in the past

[orchid acorn]

i think you imagined that one homie 😔

[candid geode]

NOOOOOOOO

[acoustic ruin]

Well he knows his strength and doesn't meddle in stuff he is no help

[candid geode]

IM NOT CRAZY

please someone back me up

[undone saffron]

i know thjis one

[frank mulch]

You have a log in your journal, scroll back to the dialogue?

[orchid acorn]

only mention of dio with heracles dialogue is the drinking contest

Heracles : "They never give this stuff to me themselves, the mountain gods. Developed a distaste for it as a result, especially after a certain ... contest with the god of wine. But that was long ago."

Melinoë : "You tried to out-drink Lord Dionysus? Even with all your fortitude, that sounds like a very dangerous undertaking from what I understand."

Heracles : "It was."

[candid geode]

nuhuh

[frank mulch]

Oh well. In your inventory not the journal

[nimble inlet]

Just a good dream

[frank mulch]

CHUG CHUG CHUG

[nimble inlet]

Forgot about that

[candid geode]

🥞 I cant find the text but I literally came across the dialogue for it yesterday

Mark my words when i find it!

[orchid acorn]

yeah in your dreams

[frank mulch]

I don’t think anyone can drink Dionysus under the table but maybe heracles can get to like the table level you never know

[candid geode]

[frank mulch]

He can like sit down

[orchid acorn]

i don't even think dio has that much like overall dialogue tbh

doesn't his relationship end at like 4 gifts

[candid geode]

He got a lot goin on

I'm excited for any new sprites to come with v.1

I like the art style so much

[orchid acorn]

the only image i want at 1.0

is a frowny/angy child mel for typhon rivals

[sharp cosmos]

Makes sense when you think about it, he's in a critical location where Meli don't want to drop her guard down, and he won't do much for her overall mission so they don't have a lot to talk about

[orchid acorn]

her smiling at chronos while cursing him just doesn't fit

[candid geode]

Manifesting him to put some pants on in v.1

Dion I can't get distracted like this

[acoustic ruin]

Ain't gonna happen bud otherwise they would have to make a clothed aphrodiety aswell

[candid geode]

I cant get distracted like this 😰

[frank mulch]

She thought the mission to find the titan and slay the titan is only for one day she’s maddddd

[candid geode]

I wonder how Chronos woke up Typhon

[frank mulch]

honestly that meme is so real I have not been in school in A While so when my sister started school I was like omg yay! Then I remembered it’s every day and I was like Oh god. And it’s not even me

[quaint pumice]

Why go to school when you can develop skills like Dropshipping

and Lowballing on facebook marketplace

[brave urchin]

Where can one find these?

is there like an achieve of all the dialoque?

[frank mulch]

I think they should teach you things you would actually use in life in school instead of the nefarious numbers

well lit and history are important for suresies but learning Actual Skills you can utilize later in life
I do not remember any other classes

[twilit cloud]

Will Hades 2 have achievements?

Hades 1 does

[orchid acorn]

yes, and they were revealed a few weeks ago accidentally. multiple news articles show them if you just google but can't talk about them here

[twilit cloud]

Or what? Hades comes after me?

[orchid acorn]

wiki has some, otherwise you gotta open up the npc_charactername file with some text editor to see them all

[twilit cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/drag-haul-pull-tug-heave-gif-12187781

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-discord-mod-moderator-moderation-clash-of-clans-gif-24080525

[twilit cloud]

Most likely 40% of achievements are story spoilers

[orchid acorn]

tldr is they accidentally set them to live steam servers for like an hour and mods have ruled since its removed content and wasn't supposed to be shared it counts as datamined stuff

[orchid acorn]

you'd think so but not really

[brave urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/fascinating-wednesday-addams-jenna-ortega-wednesday-interesting-gif-27434099

[orchid acorn]

like 70% is "beat x region" "did x incantation"

[twilit cloud]

"Comit tax evasion"

[brave urchin]

"kiss Nemesis"

[mossy tangle]

Achieve gnosis

[twilit cloud]

"Play dice with witches in the forest at 2 am"

[mossy tangle]

"Do the hokey pokey"

[twilit cloud]

How is the Old Greece aesthetic holding up in Hades 2?

Hades 1 was heavy

[orchid acorn]

more or less the exact same thing

[twilit cloud]

But isnt Paganism a thing too?

Witch Congregation in the forest type deal

Did I kill chat?

[torpid grove]

did chat ever live?

[twilit cloud]

Unlive

[torpid grove]

but yeah hades 2 has a lot aswell

[twilit cloud]

Whats the difference if I start playing now vs on 25th?

Bought the game when Early Access started but havent played

[torpid grove]

right now all thats missing is an ending and quite a bit of story like relations and character dialouge, probably not getting anything new content wise

[orchid acorn]

have you playd hades 1?

[twilit cloud]

Yeah

[torpid grove]

its less than a week left if you have waited this long you might aswell wait longer just to get the full experience as a whole without story issues or whatever

[orchid acorn]

The equivalent is that after beating dad, you can never go on to meet mom and anything plot after your first win never happens as you instantly die after winning vs dad

the majority of npcs also don't have resolutions to their relationships and are in progress as well

[twilit cloud]

So let me remember, you fight the time god no?

[torpid grove]

me, yes

[orchid acorn]

in one of hades 2's routes yes

hades 2 has two directions that you can go, one to the underworld to fight chronos and one on the surface to help olympus.

both are unfinished plot wise, but finished gameplay wise(like 95% for surface)

[twilit cloud]

So Time God being a coward, sends you back in time?

[orchid acorn]

no, you literally just die.

not canon

[twilit cloud]

So the dying bit isnt canon?

[orchid acorn]

there is no plot explanation other than "the fates have deemed you not ready to see this content"

[twilit cloud]

Just unfinished writing?

[orchid acorn]

and various other explanations the game sends you to

canonically everything that would happen in the 1.0 update happens on your first victory despite you can win before then

so there will be a disconnect of people saying wow you beat him congrats like 20 runs ago(if you played today and started winning) vs winning at 1.0

at 1.0 there is no point that you die after beating the route at 1.0

[twilit cloud]

Why does Melinoe look all wrong?

[orchid acorn]

you would just continue naturally with whatever plot that happens

define wrong

[twilit cloud]

Ghost arm, hades eye

[orchid acorn]

zag has the exact same eye, just on the other side of his face

thats part of their heritage as a daughter of hades

[honest plank]

hades eye cuz she the daughter of hades....
Arm is cuz she lost it when she was young in a esperiment

[orchid acorn]

the arm is a plot point with a npc character that i can tell you if you want

otherwise its not really that relevant

[rare pecan]

s+ rage bait

[honest plank]

it makes her character design cool

[sharp plank]

Does the "Hymn to the eye of night" that buffs your hex dmg by 30% also buff the dmg of a raised enemy?

[frail ferry]

Which npc gives the storyline of her arm?

[sharp plank]

I could not find anything to that

[honest plank]

||Icarus||

[twilit cloud]

I mean being a child of Hades does a number on your genes

[orchid acorn]

what is the source of this ability

if its a node on the hex itself, yes obviously cause it wouldn't be an option if it was

[sharp plank]

Circe's boon

[orchid acorn]

check the requirements for it to be offered

if night bloom is an option, it works

if its not, it can't be offered cause it doesn't work

[twilit cloud]

How many kids does Hades have?

[orchid acorn]

wiki shows

Twilight Curse
Lunar Ray
Wolf Howl
Total Eclipse
Dark Side
Sky Fall

As options. So no, night bloom is isn't an option ergo it doesn't work

[quaint pumice]

just the 2

[orchid acorn]

Two, as of hades 2 unless 1.0 shows he has more or something

[quaint pumice]

idk about real myth tho

[twilit cloud]

Why did I think Hypnos was a blood brother?

[sharp plank]

Yeah I just found that as well, but.. if it is a requirement, it should not have been offered anyway, shouldnt it?

[honest plank]

hes like very far off cousin

[twilit cloud]

So Nyx raised Hypnos and Zag together?

[orchid acorn]

If it was offered to you on a current patch with night bloom, one of 2 things happened

1- the code and options have changed since it was listed on the wiki, and it now WORKS with night bloom raised summons
2- it was a bug

[honest plank]

Hynos would have been like Years older (like hundreds of thousands maybe)

[orchid acorn]

gods do not age like humans

[sharp plank]

Hmm.. I will save my savegame and check if it makes a difference with and without it

[twilit cloud]

Ah, I keep forgetting everyone is immortal

[sharp plank]

Will report back on it

[twilit cloud]

So every time a god is born all of the relatives are already adults

[honest plank]

effectivly yea

[twilit cloud]

Why birth gods at all?

[honest plank]

greek gods are freaky

[twilit cloud]

If all gods are more or less related

Doesnt it loop back to being in the family?

[orchid acorn]

sex is fun

[frank mulch]

As far as I know in myth, not game, zag and melinoë have a younger sib called makaria

[twilit cloud]

Its only a matter of time

[honest plank]

Greek
Gods
Are
Freaky

[frank mulch]

So is bursting fully armored out of your dads forehead but you do you

[quaint pumice]

yall think chaos gave birth or the other primordials just plopped out

[orchid acorn]

me when i have a really funny response but its too nsfw

[quaint pumice]

actually i think both scenarios are functionally equivalent

[twilit cloud]

Get off me Dyno

[honest plank]

dork

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/goblin-slayer-stressed-priestess-anime-you-get-used-to-it-gif-13752108

[twilit cloud]

Greek Gods are weirdos

[sharp plank]

Okay somehow that did not work, but the spawn does some mighty dmg

[honest plank]

https://tenor.com/view/thanzag-thanatos-zagreus-hades-game-hades-gif-23878045

[sharp plank]

So I would just guess it works? 😅

[twilit cloud]

Arent they related?

[orchid acorn]

no.

[sharp plank]

Even if, that did not ever stand in the gods ways

[raven perch]

They’re foster brothers

[orchid acorn]

they thought they were half brothers growing up, but that was a lie to keep the knowledge of persephone from zag

have you like. not played h1

[orchid acorn]

canonically for hades verse all incest is gone

[twilit cloud]

Played it a year ago

[orchid acorn]

closest you'll get is the step bro thanatos stuff

which it kinda just glosses over

[honest plank]

He would be a far off cousin

[twilit cloud]

Step cousin?

[orchid acorn]

they grew up together as half brothers

even if zag is just the one growing up

[raven perch]

Not really , chaos is more like primordial Soup

Zag and Thanatos did grow up together though

[frank mulch]

You really do lmao
I feel weird swearing now in other serves like is this allowed??? The answer is probably

[orchid acorn]

they were known to eachother as half brothers until zag fins out nyx isn't real mom

[raven perch]

Than is older but not like, adult older

[frank mulch]

Primordial soup….

[quaint pumice]

who came first primordial chaos or chaos the location

[frank mulch]

Where’s that from

[honest plank]

Homer a snitch

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/soup-store-gif-18760613

[frank mulch]

cr right

[raven perch]

You mean the primordial soup thing? Just my brain

[frank mulch]

oh

I swear somewhere out there there is primordial soup

[raven perch]

Is a scientific term

Referring to the origins of life

[honest plank]

Its in my backyard

[frank mulch]

And im ready to dig brother

[raven perch]

My idea was that chaos is less like an actual Relative to most people (nyx kin aside) and more like primordial soup, in that they’re the origin of all existence

But yes technically all creatures on earth are distant cousins

[honest plank]

https://tenor.com/view/chaos-hades-2-gif-14362098635988157357

[frank mulch]

Oh same
I know nyx is technically the daughter of chaos and erebus? Right? But it is not the case here I don’t think

[signal hull]

Please add hammer reroll to Hades 2. With this, the keepsakes will also become more useful.

[honest plank]

Dw bro I will

[raven perch]

Not Erebus

[orchid acorn]

1- never gonna happen baseline, its too op

2- how in the hell would that make keepsakes more useful ????????

[raven perch]

Well maybe

[frank mulch]

2 trust me I saw it in a dream

[raven perch]

I just know Erebus is her husband in most myths but he may also be her father, I would not know

[frank mulch]

OH. That’s nyx and Erebus. My bad

Ok yeah so chaos is just chaos

[raven perch]

Yee chaos is usually interpreted not even really as a person

[honest plank]

Actually I cracked Chaos, im the secret final boss

[raven perch]

Very primordial soup yes

[frank mulch]

Awesomesauce. awesomesoup if you will

[raven perch]

Awesome soup!

[signal hull]

Keepsakes are almost abandoned right now and feel very weak. But with hammer rerolls, it would be much easier to go for the missile route.

[raven perch]

There’s no missiles

[frank mulch]

🐖 save me

[honest plank]

I think they mean w gloves the O special

[frank mulch]

💎 🐷 it can save me

[raven perch]

There’s no gloves??

[honest plank]

they mech suit\

[raven perch]

Ohhh

That’s still not a missile though

[honest plank]

the special is

[orchid acorn]

yes and you know what it would also do? let you take possessed array and trick knives or double moonshot etc every run.

you can activate hammer rerolls by changing like a single line of code if you want, and you'll see how broken it is very fast.

[frank mulch]

The missile is eepy

[bronze oak]

My progenitor god cant be this cute...

[honest plank]

I hate the gloves so much

[frank mulch]

In h1????

[orchid acorn]

gloves were so fun in h1

[honest plank]

THE MECH SUIT IN HADES 2

[orchid acorn]

its a coat 🤓

[frank mulch]

It’s a coat with gloves

[fresh kelp]

guys what r we supposed to get with the v1.0 update?

[frank mulch]

☝️ 🤓

[honest plank]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-the-rock-bocchi-hitori-gif-27014251

[orchid acorn]

Story. Thats basically it. Very little gameplay additions

[frank mulch]

Look on your doorstep in a week. And you will find. That you go back to your PCuter and play it to see

[fresh kelp]

ty

[bronze oak]

Me living in delusion that there's gonna be a bunch of gameplay additions and balance changes because sgg wants to surprise us

[vernal carbon]

I'll say it again: the wardens/mini-bosses are absolute nonsense.

[frank mulch]

they’re adding a third route and you fight sans undertale there

[honest plank]

I just want to see Zagreus again

[raven perch]

Too many gameplay additions without letting us feedback would be hell

[bronze oak]

DONT GIVE ME HOPE

[orchid acorn]

^

[frank mulch]

ya he’s there

[orchid acorn]

untested gameplay additions with no time to feedback is how we get gilg 2.0 again

[frank mulch]

do you hear them…. These four notes…..

[bronze oak]

The amount of times ive replayed h1 throughout ea just to hear his voice 🥀

[orchid acorn]

see literally the last patch that shoved in all the hidden aspects at once with one of the HA needing two entire reworks to be good

[frank mulch]

I wasn’t gonna drink tonight but I miss zag so much <\3

[bronze oak]

I still dont like shiva

And im a coat enthusiast

[orchid acorn]

in theory i liked original shiva but with better balance more.
i like current shiva though now that it bounces since it actually plays fine in a gameplay loop

[honest plank]

Shiva is the only one I like out of the coats

[bronze oak]

Ita just not unique enough compared to the other hidden aspects imo

[orchid acorn]

the bouncing was such a good solution cause i was positive this thing was unsalvageable without massive mana reductions and number adjustments

[bronze oak]

Nyx is more unique than shiva

[honest plank]

better than supay

[orchid acorn]

i wouldn't mind bringing back the execute....

[raven perch]

I love Shiva a lott now

[frank mulch]

Me too I’m glad wintertime is upon us so I can dress up #Fashion #MyCoat

[raven perch]

It’s out of character for Mel to put on a coat she’d never cover up for anything

[honest plank]

Arachne + Heph means you fighte Chronos w drip

[orchid acorn]

but shiva is pretty unique standalone

It has

• a whole new moveset for base attack/special and omega special
• unique mechanic with the stacks
• encourages omegas which basically only selene does, and only kinda

[honest plank]

it reminds me of shielf
i like shield

[frank mulch]

It’s cold outside but she’s still looking like a goddess cuz
Uh
Cuz melinoë never gets cold

[honest plank]

dosent she have voiceline w demeter saying its cold

[frank mulch]

That’s good because what if her feets overheats
She got tha snow to balance it out

[honest plank]

this made my nrain hurt

[frank mulch]

ur welc

[honest plank]

im in math class now my brain gurt :(

[frank mulch]

I’m sorry to hear that that’s really scary

[honest plank]

it is

idk what the hell hes talking about

[supple nymph]

shiva sucks cause expectional talent doesnt work the way it should

the second oatk only counts as a one-magick oatk

[bronze oak]

Her feet are hot so they warm the rest of her body 🙏

[hallow vault]

Nah Jen Zee is so good

Looked at that Chronos Design again and damn he Looks great

Love the egyptian touches too

He Looks ancient

[sharp plank]

I heard multiple times I should spend my sand and eyes before 1.0, what can I do with them? I only saw one arcana upgrade that needed it and the incantations that we cannot use for now, but beside that? 😅

[honest plank]

theres a few encantments

i dont remember all of em but their pretty good

need it to get shiva

uhh

yea

[sharp plank]

Alright, I will check the wiki page for the incantations

Thanks!

[oak ivy]

There is a seed reroll incantation that requires 7 of each

It's very useful, you gotta get it!

"Acceptance of another fate" I think that's what it's called

[honest plank]

it is

its what im working for now

but rivals polyphemus lowkey eating me

[sharp plank]

Oh I found it, but I still have to beat a 16 heat run for it. Well then I know what to do now 😄

[honest plank]

?????

[sharp plank]

Uhh, fear I mean

[honest plank]

I beat like 24 fear and I dident unlock it

it just kinda appeeared for me yesterday

[sharp plank]

From the Wiki:

Insight Into Offerings unlocked

Favored of All Keepsakes unlocked

Spreading the Ashes unlocked

Obtained the second statue of the The Night's Champion, by conquering both Underworld and Surface routes at 16 Fear Fear

Defeated Chronos 7 times or more

Defeated Typhon 7 times or more

[honest plank]

oh i prob defeated typhon for a 7th time

[sharp plank]

Yeah, something else seemed to miss

[orchid acorn]

works as intended technically

if you fire two omega specials baseline, only one can bounce

wait o-attack?

whats wrong with that

[supple nymph]

no the ospec is fine, it fires 2 but only 1 bounces

[orchid acorn]

if your complaining about the o-attack not getting the % boost yeah thats intended too

cause its used up by the first

[honest plank]

it empowers your NEXT one not the one afther that

[supple nymph]

well that sucks

it uses +20 magick for 100 more damage

[orchid acorn]

exceptional talent doesn't say duplicate your next attack damage and all. it says fire two.

Fire one > has the % boost> apolo triggers>another 0 stack o-attack happens

[orchid acorn]

still better than some apollo interactions

just don't bother using his legendary tbh

[supple nymph]

nergal works as intended

well i suppose atleast, but the magick spend makes sense

you use 40, you have twice the duration

you use the 35, you have twice the duration of the half charged one

[honest plank]

I love apollo legendary its so awesome sauce

[orchid acorn]

yes cause they specifically made it that way cuase thats how old axe apollo leg used to work

[supple nymph]

so that logic should apply to shiva, you use 40 or whatever the max is and it should hit twice for that damage

[orchid acorn]

they made all the other axes in unseen hit twice

likely kept nergal as is cause having a double hitting healing weapon sounds nuts, even more than nergal already is

[supple nymph]

atleast the magick spend is relative with the function

max spend = 2x max duration

[orchid acorn]

does shiva not duplicate a max charge omega?

[supple nymph]

no, thats what im trying to say

[orchid acorn]

im talking specifically about the stacks, so a 6 stack omega isn't duplicated twice

you get a 6 stack > 0 stack omega

[supple nymph]

no no im not talking about stacks

im talking about magick charge

[orchid acorn]

ah well yeah that sounds more like a bug then

if its duplicating a no charge omega but idk

thats weird tbh

kinda tracks in my head that its just calling for an omega attack but isn't following the mana part of it, just sees the base value and uses it

f10 and pray

[lost wing]

https://tenor.com/view/chappelle-show-somehow-that-is-gif-26387526

[sharp plank]

If I get epic Steady Growth in the second room in Oceanus, is it still worth it getting or too late? I still do not have two curses for Origination, and wanted to go for this instead, but.. epic Steady Growth 🤤

[lost wing]

and upvote the like 3 feedbacks about it in #h2-feedback (which while closed can still get upvotes)

[lost wing]

not too late

[orchid acorn]

i'd take it personally unless my other option is like literally artic ring

MAYBE a high rarity resource heal

[sharp plank]

The other option would be epic Ice Flourish, but I wanted to fish for freeze on the attack

But yeah, I will go for Steady Growth then

[orchid acorn]

i just did a quick search through one page of "shiva" results but i only found one instnace of someone talking about it #h2-feedback message

everything else is just yapping about not carrying over destructive stacks

or me yapping about balance 3 times somehow

yeah even on the 2nd page its only "2nd shiva ospecial doesn't bounce" "shiva is good post rework" "2nd shiva oattack doesn't use destructive stacks"

[verbal rampart]

My social life when Hades 2 finally gets the 1.0 ->

"Oh I wouldn't say free. More like, under new management"

[lost wing]

it's not specifically a shiva issue. there are posts about the exceptional talent copying the base 1 magick oatk of the coat

[orchid acorn]

oh its a whole coat issue then

[lost wing]

yes

[orchid acorn]

😔

common coat L

i swear nothing revealed more to me than that anniversary stream then them talking about how different people were assigned to balance different weapons

[lost wing]

oh god. Diablo class dev vibes

[verbal rampart]

Not to be over-critical, but I think the wikia might contain some mistakes. I managed to recruit Hecuba before Toula, while the wikia says it is impossible

[covert valve]

I believe you. Just had that dialogue pop up

I can't share images here for some friggin' reason but maybe I can' forward images? 🤔

Damn I can't

[orchid acorn]

to be clear, what pets did you have before getting hecuba

i'd have to double check but last time i looked at it(before any updates were done) literally nothing changed and you still needed all 3

[verbal rampart]

Frinos and Raki, then Hecuba, then Toula

[orchid acorn]

and you got the dialogue with hecate that unlocked hecuba + gale?

[verbal rampart]

Yes

[orchid acorn]

ill have to look again when i get home, cause when i checked a few weeks ago it literally said you need to spend 3 treats, sounds like you got a bug

and you can't spend treats on anything else except toula raki and frinos

since to unlock upgrades you need to have all 3 pets first

[verbal rampart]

But that's not the only "error" of the wikia. They say that to unlock the Aspects of Night and Darkness, you have to beat Hecate with the 5 first Nocturnal Arms. I did unlock the Aspect of Night and Darkness but I've never beaten Hecate with Revaal

[orchid acorn]

again haven't looked in a long time for that, but that was accurate

i'd be more along the lines of you misremembering, do you have your run history unlocked yet?

[verbal rampart]

Yes but I currently do not have access to my computer, I'll double-check later just in case

[orchid acorn]

its possible they made it the first 4 weapons cause bronze is locked behind surface but it was like that for a LONG time

[verbal rampart]

Because indeed, I might just misremember

[orchid acorn]

and no real reason for them to change it unless it changed very recently

@devout abyss are u alive to check these

[chrome plaza]

hey question, is romance/maxed out bonds with characters currently in the early access?

[verbal rampart]

Yes, there are 4 romance options

[chrome plaza]

i know full release is in less than a week i just wanna know if i should start playing Now

[orchid acorn]

romance is in the game for the 4 characters that have it

there are 10 maxed out bonds available, with the 4 romance characters being part of that 10

the rest are still wip and coming with the 1.0 launch

[orchid acorn]

I would wait personally.

[chrome plaza]

can you romance multiple?

[verbal rampart]

Absolutely

[orchid acorn]

yes nothing locks you out of other romance partners in h2

[chrome plaza]

nice

[orchid acorn]

but its not a threesome like the zag/meg/than trio was

just 4 unique relationships afaik

[raven perch]

Possible there will be one more romance option in 1.0 with Arachne

[chrome plaza]

i might just restart my save and play it a bit when i have time since i just finished deltarune

[orchid acorn]

praying

[chrome plaza]

if you max out a bond do you have like the choice to not romance, i assume?

[verbal rampart]

That would be cool. Arachne deserves some love

[chrome plaza]

i forget how it worked in hades 1

[orchid acorn]

yes

[verbal rampart]

Yes, you can refuse

[chrome plaza]

nice, nice

[verbal rampart]

I still find it very funny that Melinoë "doubles" on the romance option. She has what Zagreus had, but twice

[orchid acorn]

mel isn't in a threeway. yet

[verbal rampart]

True. I find it unlikely because I doubt SuperGiant Games would make a threeway ||with actual brethrens||

||(Since they absolutely avoided anything related to incest in greek mythology)||

[sick cosmos]

Most attractive character in hades 1 and 2 in your opinion.

[verbal rampart]

Hades 1 : Nyx ; Hades 2 : Medea

[lost wing]

obviously this is excluding Bouldy

otherwise it's no contest

[sick cosmos]

I sadly don’t have access to hades 2 on my Xbox

[verbal rampart]

Probably gonna make a tier-list of "How hot/cute/pretty are the characters of Hades I and II"

[verbal rampart]

You're going to love the new designs. They still made everyone absolutely hot or at least cute

Even Cerberus is cuter in Hades II than in I

[sick cosmos]

I got hades today since it just came to gamepass. I was not ready for Nyx and Aphrodite’s designs

[verbal rampart]

Nyx is the perfect archetype of the "Goth Mom". And Aphrodite, yeah, she's...Aphrodite.

[raven perch]

Nyx hardly looks like a mom I’m gonna be real

[tranquil wren]

ew

[raven perch]

Hey easy there bucko

Don’t be disgusting

[verbal rampart]

Too much. Too much and too specific.

[sick cosmos]

Sorry

[raven perch]

Pronto you too

[tranquil wren]

whatever happened to shame

[orchid acorn]

😔

im sorry

[sick cosmos]

Sorry

[raven perch]

Gotta remember there are still kids in this server

[buoyant matrix]

mel herself says to oddy in one of the bath sequences that gods don't have shame

[sick cosmos]

Sorry, I didn’t think that since the game is rated T

[tranquil wren]

we aren't gods

[verbal rampart]

We're ok with the "Everyone is sexy" but there are minor players

[orchid acorn]

i am 😎

[sick cosmos]

Even tho I’ve been playing hades for less than an hour I love it. Well rouge lites/rouge likes are my favorite genre

[verbal rampart]

Hades (and Hades II too) are some of the best rogue-lite ever.

[lost wing]

https://tenor.com/view/ghostbusters-dont-cross-the-streams-i-got-slimed-are-you-god-gif-14907505

[hazy bone]

H1: Thanatos ignoring front-facing portrait, otherwise Zagreus

H2: Chaos

[verbal rampart]

Yeah, it's not like the two main characters of Hades I and II are literal gods

[sick cosmos]

My 2nd favorite rouge lite is hades

It will be my fav when I play more

[tranquil wren]

are you ragebaiting or nah

[raven perch]

H2 is Heracles H1.. Probably Zag? Though he’s not That hot

[hazy bone]

What is a rouge-like? Like a very reddish orange?

[verbal rampart]

I don't practice ragebait, I don't have the necessary sense of humor for that

[raven perch]

Zag and Mel are literal gods bro

[tranquil wren]

by "we" I meant actual people, not the characters in the video game

[sick cosmos]

It’s a broad category

[tranquil wren]

there's no way you can misconstrue what I meant that badly

[raven perch]

Oh wait I misunderstood

[verbal rampart]

I think the undertone of the game could be "Maybe we could get inspiration from the gods ; and they could get inspiration from us"

[buoyant matrix]

h1 nyx, h2 medea

[sick cosmos]

Games from vampire survivors to slay the spire to hades

[verbal rampart]

🤝

[sick cosmos]

Very broad

[wintry dagger]

Mel polycule dreams aren’t dead, could still be some storyline unlocks

[verbal rampart]

Reminds me that I still have that friend who thinks Mel is over-sexualized. I really gotta find an argument or admit she's right

[tranquil wren]

there's a difference between being a creep and whatever lesson you can take from the game

[verbal rampart]

I can't argue with this sentence

[hazy bone]

How are they similar to rouge? That's a color, not a game.

[sick cosmos]

Rouge like/lite is a game genre

[hazy bone]

You're thinking of rogue

[sick cosmos]

No I’m not

[hazy bone]

Rouge (pronounced "roozh") is "red" in French, completely unrelated to "rogue"

[verbal rampart]

Either you're an actual french native speaker, either I'm impressed

[sick cosmos]

Same thing. I’m talking about the game genre and you know it

I just made auto corrected typo’s

[hazy bone]

I'm not a native (or non-native) French speaker, it's just a basic color term

[sick cosmos]

Should I upgrade death defiance

[verbal rampart]

It depends. Do you die easily and rapidly? Sooner or later you're gonna have to upgrade it, but if you play well enough it can be later than sooner

[oak ivy]

I am a god though, I don't know about you...

[sick cosmos]

Ok thx

[raven perch]

You will not be spared in the war between castes

[oak ivy]

😰

[raven perch]

Vive la revalucion

[oak ivy]

wh-what if I step down to being a demigod?

I just want to not need to eat food and not age, is that an okay compromise?

[bronze oak]

No upgrade strength instead its more fun

[buoyant matrix]

lilac what was your professional opinion on promewtheus

[bronze oak]

Strength girlies aren't faithful after the nerfs 💔 💔 🥀

[sick cosmos]

Is death defiance something that lasts for all of your runs or just the one you purchase on

[bronze oak]

All of them

[sick cosmos]

Epic the musical lover

[sick cosmos]

Thx

[verbal rampart]

Whatever you purchase at the Mirror or Night lasts for all your runs.

Your Death Defiances recharge after a defeat

[oak ivy]

OMG yes it's great!!!!
this is peak matching pfp material !!!

me and who 👉 👈

[orchid acorn]

[oak ivy]

👀

[oak ivy]

you wanna have the heracles one?

[bronze oak]

Wrong game but yeah

[orchid acorn]

fine rip mewelonie

[buoyant matrix]

yoooo

[hazy bone]

I think it's more helpful if you're dying a lot to bosses rather than regular encounters

[oak ivy]

lmaoooo I was joking 😭
I can't change my pfp to that for all to see...

[sick cosmos]

I just got the game so I haven’t gotten to bosses yet

[buoyant matrix]

if only we had nitro 🥀💔

[verbal rampart]

The person I was answering to is playing Hades I. But indeed, this is not the place to discuss Hades I

[bronze oak]

Oh sorry I didnt backread

[orchid acorn]

made me download it and all

[oak ivy]

sorry for wasting 1 megabyte of your internet 💔

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/as-much-use-as-wodden-soap-youre-useless-no-use-idiot-stupid-gif-22049437

did that gif not load

[oak ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/zzz-zenless-zone-zero-belle-image-perms-gif-16211658476521656189

lmaooooo

[orchid acorn]

[oak ivy]

pronto frantically deleting his messages 😭

[sick cosmos]

Is the spear good

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/useless-neil-degrasse-tyson-startalk-worthless-pointless-gif-21956857

[oak ivy]

what spear?

[orchid acorn]

ok that gif just doesn't work then

[sick cosmos]

The trident

[orchid acorn]

this is hades 2 discussion btw, if you're asking for h1 stuff you'd wanna scroll donw

[sick cosmos]

The starting trident

[oak ivy]

are you talking about hades 1?

[sick cosmos]

Yes

[orchid acorn]

#h1-discussion #h1-builds-and-combat

[buoyant matrix]

you should move to #h1-discussion for these questions

[sick cosmos]

Sorry

[oak ivy]

no prob!

[verbal rampart]

My favourite weapon but ultimately : for the beginning, try all the weapons, find your favorite and try to get out of Hell. Then, next, you'll try to master all the weapons. But if you wanna discuss Hades I furthermore, I suggest we follow the rules of the server and go to #h1-discussion

[nimble sand]

I really thought I was already in this server lol

[sick cosmos]

Sorry, I didn’t know

[cold canopy]

When you change a region during a run, is it an animation or animations + sprite? I want to get my hands on world map

[orchid acorn]

both.

[cold canopy]

So if i do a little diging i should be able to find a world map like in Hades 1?

[raven perch]

There are models yes

[orchid acorn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1242476138400452648/1296159682263781397/image.png?ex=68ce3885&is=68cce705&hm=7c3a0d0b76afa2fcd71384c52b8ed4f457a4e5e32b84f6654c4afe145417078b&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[cold canopy]

Thanks

[orchid acorn]

save you the trouble

[oak ivy]

where is the color though?

[orchid acorn]

you'd have to dig for the models though like this https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1242476138400452648/1296183216734081104/image.png?ex=68ce4e70&is=68ccfcf0&hm=027de52229042c62d9aa53ffcdbdd941b0eb7b76d587e3f2569d19466e26c134&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[cold canopy]

Couldnt find it anywhere on web

[orchid acorn]

or pets https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1242476138400452648/1296189698682781696/image.png?ex=68ce547a&is=68cd02fa&hm=02ca0929046943a192630ec25660901f53c2e33bd95c6797034490c68368a710&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[cold canopy]

I remember it having a color but after this update i think its gone? Might be wrong

[orchid acorn]

honestly that image is like

7 months old

so if it has color its just an outdated pic

[cold canopy]

I remember image with no color but when the pawn moved into a region it gained a border and color, i guess colored image is its own thing. Thanks for helping out Pronto

[nimble sand]

What a crazy month first skong now this I already got around 150 hours in early access and have pretty much everything

[oak ivy]

they are such dorks

🤭

[verbal rampart]

That's why the children of Nyx love them

Thanatos and Moros are so "Why are you being nice with meeeee?"

[nimble sand]

True, can't wait to finally see them meet in 6 days

Which I'm sure everyone here feels the same way about lmfao

[orchid acorn]

see mel find zags dead body

[nimble sand]

Nooooooooooo

[oak ivy]

0.0001% chance of happening

[nimble sand]

Tbh I could see it actually

And you'd have to do some crazy cauldron incantation to resurrect Zag

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-and-dumber-lloyd-theres-a-chance-jim-carrey-gif-11098164

anywy back to my chicken pesto

[oak ivy]

byeee (3 e's 😔)

[nimble sand]

I suck I never even bothered doing 32 heat in hades 1 lol

Really should go back and do it, shouldn't be too bad with aspect of lucifer

[empty abyss]

heat is gay. I rather enjoy the game how I like it

[wintry dagger]

My hope is Zag is the last secret animal familiar companion and you also have to feed him the scooby snacks to level him up

[verbal rampart]

||Weirdo.||

[empty abyss]

Peak

[nimble sand]

I think it's really unlikely but imagine if we can unlock him as a 2nd playable character after instead of him just becoming a generic NPC

[empty abyss]

would be crazy for Zag double dash in the game

[orchid acorn]

excited to see me leave 😔

[wintry dagger]

A week of Hades 2 on my Switch 2 home now

But no entering it to see the ending

[small pier]

does anyone know if they will be releasing the full soundtrack on the 25th as well? 👀

[raven perch]

Love to watch you go

[small pier]

pls

[raven perch]

Weird

[empty abyss]

SGG is generous. They are

[small pier]

excellent. will be hijacking the spotify on the office tv and my coworkers will just have to deal !

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/jazmynemacbook-gif-565618924041907047

[glossy shadow]

Hades 3 multiplayer friendly fire enabled coopetition game when??????

[hearty idol]

Friendly fire??! Chaos would be proud

[craggy oriole]

Bullet HELL tho...

[glossy shadow]

Chaos Pop Quiz: who is the strongest????

[hearty idol]

no idea but maybe one of the chthonics

[hearty idol]

you mean like one of the survivor games?

Death must Die, Sworn, Jottunnslayer comes to mind

[cursive kayak]

damn using gay as a bad thing in the year 2025? 😔

[twin apex]

no he means to say that heat is perfectly acceptable in modern times

[limpid oar]

he would fight Eris for the Cyclops Jerky

[sharp plank]

I have a problem at the moment, I can take danaid dagger, giving my attack 200% dmg lasting (including) to the chronos fight when I sell my hestia boon on it, which I needed to activate origination

So either +75% from hestia and +50% from origination or 200% flat from danaid dagger but loosing the freeze

I guess selling hestias boon and taking danaid dagger will still be more dmg though, regardless if the damage multipliers are additive or multiplicative

[chrome plaza]

can someone explain how scorch works? like if i have 60 scorch how does the damage work

[twin apex]

well there's a few things to keep mind. first, hestia doesn't give % damage, she gives a flat damage. and also origination is a global buff, so all damage would be increased by 50%. i think keeping hestia's boon would still be better if you're not just using the attacks

[sharp plank]

On the other hand: The wording from danaid dagger is "While not empowered by boons", so I guess every boon counts, right? So not only the boon that directly affects my attack, but also stuff like hammers

[sharp plank]

I am using mostly the attacks tbh

[twin apex]

danaid dagger only refers to having a designated attack/special boon

[sharp plank]

Using the axe at the moment, so I am fine with that

[oak ivy]

with every hit you apply some amount of scorch! So you want a fast hitting weapon to apply a lot of it !!!

you can see it as an orange health bar thing above the enemy.
then it slowly ticks down at a rate of 80 damage per second or something, I think?
it ticks down faster if you have Pyro Technique though

p.s. sick Susie pfp !!!!!!

[lost wing]

80/s default, and Pyro Technique boon can increase that

[twin apex]

i mean, i don't know enough about the build, but specifically for the axe, hestia isn't the greatest boon since it has slow attacks. on an axe attack specific build, then danaid dagger could work, but ideally you would also have origination through other boons (like special, sprint, and cast)

[sharp plank]

Eeeehh I mean the Ice lady, not Hestia

My bad

[twin apex]

oh you have demeter attack?

[sharp plank]

So I got Demeters boon, which gives percentual attack boost

[sharp plank]

yes

[chrome plaza]

right so basically it ticks down uh i think it says 100/s which is flat but the amount i apply is based on the strenght of the boon?

[twin apex]

demeter has a very low damage buff, so the same thing applies where danaid dagger would be good if you have a different way to activate origination

[orchid acorn]

wasn't it buffed to 100 or was that reverted i can't remember

[chrome plaza]

also ty i commissioned it from a friend along with a matching noelle because gay people (finished chapter 4 last night and it's top 5 video games of all time to me)

[sharp plank]

Okay, so I would sell Ice Strike now, get danaid dagger and check for a way to get origination online in a different way

But even if I was not able to do so, I would still dish out more dmg than I do at the moment

[oak ivy]

Suselle is such a lovely ship I love them so much 🥰
and yesss except top 3 for me even!

[lost wing]

iirc it was 40, then buffed to 80. did it get buffed again?

[twin apex]

ye, but it's also a gamble whether you actually find danaid dagger (unless you already see it in the well). make sure it lasts long enough as well

[orchid acorn]

40 was the OG OG number back like in original version of EA

80 was the number pre unseen then 100 after unseen

[twin apex]

your attacks specifically would deal more damage, so if that's the majority of your dps then yes

[sharp plank]

Thats the thing, I got the perfect combination right now haha

Danaid Dagger + Archaic Seal (which makes it last for the next two guardians - the next one being Chronos) and a well that offers me to sell Ice Strike

Thats why I asked, I thought I cannot let this opportunity go to waste but was unsure if it actually makes sense since I do not want to wiff a otherwise perfectly good run at this point

[twin apex]

yeah, so you can sell ice strike and take the dagger. what are the other core boons you have (special, cast, sprint, and magick)?

[sharp plank]

Engagement Ring on Cast for hitch, Blinding Rush for daze (which could activate Origination, but its not my favorite way to do so) and still nothing on my special since I did not get anything here

So my plan would be to check something for my special

And I did not get any regen, because tbh I just hack my enemies into pieces with the standard attacks from the axe

[twin apex]

engagement ring and blinding sprint are like the best possible ones lol. you could ideally take a special (demeter wouldn't be bad), but you already have a way to activate origination. just make sure you have your cast down as often as possible

[sharp plank]

Sure, my cast is always on CD

Blinding rush is perfect? I did not get that feeling haha but maybe I am just blind

[twin apex]

blinding rush is like the best sprint boon in the game

[sharp plank]

Oh whoops

Well I am quite fast so thats nice

[twin apex]

yeah, especially on high fear. if you look on youtube, a lot of people take it as often as possible

[meager garden]

daze is an excellent curse

[sharp plank]

I am not at the point where I watch too many videos, I wanna understand the game better before doing so. At fear 16 atm, and only with two weapons, so before I start enjoying some content I wanna understand mostly everything that is going on

[twin apex]

blinding rush:

• increases sprint speed by a decent amount, good at high fear because of timer
• inflicts daze super easily, and is the most consistent at it
• causes daze, which is just a free chance to not take damage from anything

[wintry dagger]

I have about 200 hours in so my understanding is white numbers good, colorful numbers also good but shiny

[meager garden]

I basically think like "all curses are really good, gotta collect em all"

[sharp plank]

But now that we are on this topic: for hades 1 I watched Haelian mostly, are there any other good streamers where you can actually learn something while watching?

[meager garden]

Except glow that ones tok much effort to get

[twin apex]

may i interest you in nervous wreck?

[sharp plank]

lol when I first got that boon I thought I wasn't reading it correctly

[meager garden]

boated, you can watch high fear or check out the leaderboard

[twin apex]

Boated is my personal favorite, he's a really high-fear player

[sharp plank]

Especially since I had the Aphrodite boon that just weakened everything near you

[meager garden]

the hades 2 fear leaderboard is really neat for just observing the meta

[sharp plank]

Just a boatload of free curses for everyone just for standing beside them

That was so great haha

[twin apex]

i wish nervous wreck was better though. weak is kinda hard to get consistently (especially since things like island getaway could literally brick the legendary) and there's not much synergy. but the concept is super fun

despite how fun it is, nervous wreck is one of the worst legendary boons

[meager garden]

unfortunately

[orchid acorn]

ok chat i reworked my bingo card to be less samey whats the thoughts now
https://imgur.com/1dGVgPS

[empty abyss]

I agreed Heat is perfectly and should be acceptable in modern civilization

[twin apex]

medea nerf as the free space 😭

[orchid acorn]

SURELY it happens this time

[twin apex]

no don't touch it, it's my favorite aspect and super fun

[orchid acorn]

medea is going to the farm outback

[sharp plank]

Wait, Rivals Hecate Nerf? Is she so much stronger than normal Hecate? After trying the rivals challenge on her once I just never took rivals again, she absolutely demolished me and I thought it will go on like this with all the other bosses as well 😅

[orchid acorn]

30% special damage only

[twin apex]

would you count the bugfix as a 'nerf'? the one that also buffs cast damage

[orchid acorn]

debatably yes, but depends on the other changes to see how deperate i am for bingo. Personally i was thinking just the attack/special damage

[empty abyss]

ngl how do you even use torch? I literally cant build a good torch run

[orchid acorn]

rivlas hecate is nuts compared to most other bosses, especially at higher fears

importantly the fact she has such disparity between her hex patterns from one fight to the other

[twin apex]

i could see them removing the cast buff bug, but i hope they don't change anything else about it. it's good, but also pretty difficult and really unsafe

[supple nymph]

lunar ray...

[empty abyss]

really? I honestly am more terrified of Doggo

[sharp plank]

Okay, maybe I will try rivals again then and not let me get down by her being so stupidly strong

[supple nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-ball-z-goku-super-saiyan-frieza-namek-gif-7607320223724224253

[twin apex]

also the timer stall, especially considering how awful vow of hordes is in erebus

[orchid acorn]

step 1 take born gain
step 2 take all magick increases for the run
step 3 take fine line
optionally step 4 get the posiedon duo + any other boons that do stuff when u omega move for increased magick

step 5 win by holding down attack

[sharp plank]

The first time I fought against her rivals form, I lost 2/3 deaths defience.. That was not a good run

But Nerf Rivals Scylla as well.. those are 2/4 Guardians, activating rivals here seems like it will break you completely

[twin apex]

remember one of the earlier EA patch where the speedrun meta was fine line on torches with the stupidly powerful pre-nerf heartthrobs? good times

[orchid acorn]

i only remember charon heartthrob meta tbh

[supple nymph]

or play moros with apollo atk and legendary and righetous pikes

[orchid acorn]

Hecate is hard, but not scylla hard. Gun to my head only one gets nerfed i pray to jesus or satan scylla gets taken down a few notches

hecate is hard specifically in context of higher fear timer issues, and some overtuned moves. Not much of a bar to nerf

[supple nymph]

righteous pikes with old torches was insane 💀 i was priming out 400 magick with b gain

[sharp plank]

😭 😭 😭

[wintry dagger]

The real answer is Zeus and Chain Lightning, then boosting that with either Air Quality or Master Conductor or anything else that plays well with a bunch of Lightning

[orchid acorn]

scylla is hard in context of your average tohou game

[twin apex]

nah it was pre-torch rework where you would omega at every attack, pre-nerf heartthrobs where it was like 3x the damage and 2x the quantity than rn with no maximum

[sharp plank]

Oh boy, thats gonna be fun going against Scylla then 🫠

[orchid acorn]

you know those memes where its like "Bro survive im reviving in 10 seconds"

thats scylla rivals

https://tenor.com/view/touhou-flandre-bullet-hell-danmaku-beautiful-gif-20350364

[sharp plank]

Ooof

[limpid oar]

scylla rivals is peak boss design

[sharp plank]

Well next run I will go take polymeus or whatever he is called with rivals so I can take rivals 2 and see how bad scylla really is

[orchid acorn]

yeah peak like the hemorrhoids coming out my ass

[twin apex]

rock and a hard place, top 3 song

[supple nymph]

all other rivals bosses combined vs rivals scylla who would win

[limpid oar]

coral crown and song of the sirens are also in the top3 right

[orchid acorn]

i'd rather fight rivals chronos + typhon back to back than rivals scylla once

and i think i'd still lose more dd's to scylla

[limpid oar]

depends on performer rng, if it's charybdis then she's gonna stomp ez

[twin apex]

you should know what #1 is (read my username)

[sharp plank]

holy damn okay, I took the danaid daggers now and the dmg is absurd

[supple nymph]

not even hitch is saving you against scylla 😭

[sharp plank]

regular hits with the axe do 500+ dmg, I was not ready for that

[polar abyss]

Nuh uh. Charybdis, Roxy, and Scylla do not fit in the safe spot of Chronos’s instakills

[sharp plank]

And I think I did not even activate origination

[orchid acorn]

just give me rivals 5 atp

scylla playing offstage in the rivals chronos fight

untouchable

[supple nymph]

r5 would be scylla rivals at 10% power

current rivals scylla is at 5% of her true power

[twin apex]

"I am but a harmless apparition. And by harmless, I of course mean that you cannot harm me."

[orchid acorn]

"WE'RE SCYLLA AND THE SIRENSSSSss"

[limpid oar]

chat i think melinoe should just join scylla's band and convince them that chronos + typhon are bad for business, they'll conquer the world together

[twin apex]

i would take it if we get a new song with it tbh

[orchid acorn]

maybe thats the post credit scene

us practicing with scylla

[sharp plank]

on another note: Can you get to the point where Cerberus lets you pet him? 🥹

Oh maaaaan.. 1.0, do your stuff and make this possible

[orchid acorn]

no but you can pet hecuba

she tries her best(its not good enough)

[crude dragon]

It's Divine Dash

[twin apex]

they're absolutely adding the ability to pet cerberus in 1.0, i refuse to believe otherwise

[icy blade]

been the same meta for 5 years

[twin apex]

"Your brother's favorite" 🔥 🔥

[ruby drift]

Is that only me ? really really F awkward... I can easily handle 50F in H2 but not even 32F in H1... WTF???

[sharp plank]

Didnt someone just finish a max fear run in Hades 2? I do not think anyone could do that in Hades 1 since now

So I guess it's easier in Hades 2

[twin apex]

there was a max heat in h1 beat i think like a year ago

[sharp plank]

Oh indeed, it happened

Angel1C actually did so in 2023

[dire sand]

Ye was pog

[orchid acorn]

multiple factors lead to it, but yes max fear has been beaten

• more experienced playerbase
• medea is insanely op yet keeps escaping nerfs and barely gets love tapped when it does
• medea is bugged to be even stronger with specific casts(not a major factor, but still a factor)
• less cancer vows(pacts of punishment) that allow for more runs to be viable instead of RNG based

like no approval process alone lets more runs get out of erebus than got out of tartarus in h1 by multiple factors

then underworld customs being gone helps etc

[dire sand]

They should add that in 1.0

[orchid acorn]

like delete those two pacts and h1 gets much easier max fear probably. still impossible for me to do, but way easier

[dire sand]

Just out of pure spite

[limpid oar]

i would trade onion for customs any day ngl

[merry whale]

i find forfeit is only frequently a problem in thessaly, sometimes oceanus

[limpid oar]

how about erebus

[merry whale]

ideally u get a boon room in 3rd room, i usually spend a couple rerolls if i don't

[limpid oar]

but imagine how much faster and easier Erebus would be if you started with a boon room 1 guaranteed

[merry whale]

eh i usually get 1 minute thru the 3 rooms anyway

[limpid oar]

and with that extra boon you could probably get through them at least 15 seconds faster + the advantage would snowball as you go through the region

[merry whale]

like it would objectively be faster, but like marginally

and i would also hate being forced to sell a boon lmao

[limpid oar]

like half of my timeouts in erebus i can blame on onion

[merry whale]

nah i blame on hippo

[raven perch]

I got fountain finder award! Somehow

[merry whale]

onion is also kinda necessary for denial tbh, otherwise denial gets stupid to deal with

personally i find the two are honestly the most free vows

[crude dragon]

Menace?

[cerulean lake]

I try not to click it because i already instaclick that every run in h1. But. Divine dash.

[merry whale]

clarification, one of the most

menace is also relatively free

besides satyr champion that boss sucks

[crude dragon]

But then you have to deal with the potential that the sell well has 3 load-bearing Boons in it

In every region

[merry whale]

surface diff (there is no selling)

[frank igloo]

I love the release date timezone map

[ruby drift]

foolish done it underground

[haughty hill]

it's specifically easier because H1 had Approval Process and H2 does not

though also Foolish specifically is a ludicrously skilled player

just because he got one doesn't mean anyone else can (mynt and maybe daiyu aside)

[limpid oar]

you can reroll the well

[cursive kayak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/610608285527048212/1418654802312822824/image.png?ex=68cee8be&is=68cd973e&hm=8872c8b98634c9f9ae1e3154a7f1f8589b4f863cab0c42272bbd4824fdf5cc5a&
finished my bingo card

[crude dragon]

Not when you have max Void

[oak ivy]

Toula buff not happening 100% she already got buffed a lot 😭

[cursive kayak]

I can dream

[limpid oar]

the discussion thats been going on for the past 20 minutes assumes you have rerolls, get away from me with that max void nonsense 😭

[crude dragon]

I still think that you should've put "Phalanx Shot is unchanged" somewhere in there

[frank mulch]

Well Persephone may be buff but not even mad gains will help her be there to raise her child. Oh cruel fates

[orchid acorn]

lilac how could you 💔

toula needs spawn logic changes 😭

[crude dragon]

The conversation was about max Fear and why it's more consistent than max Heat

[oak ivy]

oh you're right.......

[mystic storm]

What in tarnation is the Dream Theory?

[cursive kayak]

it’s been explained a bunch here im not re explaining

[orchid acorn]

extremely low level tldr

hypnos is god of sleep
mel is god of nightmares
together they team up and put chronos in a perma nightmare

[oak ivy]

but that's not a "direct" buff, it's "fixing" her!!

[limpid oar]

conversations move on and the thing you responded to is literally responding to something that mentioned rerolls 😭

[crude dragon]

That the post-game will involve us trapping Chronos and Typhon in a nightmare and that's how we continue to have runs

[orchid acorn]

"Toula spawn delay 2 seconds>0.5 seconds" is a buff
"toula now spawns in the center of rooms" is a buff

[frank mulch]

that’s kinda boss I didn’t realize that’s what dream theory is I thought they were playing mindcraft

[orchid acorn]

"toula now starts each room awake" is a buff

[mystic storm]

Damn, thats metal

[merry whale]

toula getting muscles is a buff

[cursive kayak]

😭

[orchid acorn]

[limpid oar]

toula spawning immediately would be a nice to have, but saying she "needs" that is pushing it

[merry whale]

the ender dragon cannot be stopped

[orchid acorn]

spawning awake is the like... EXTREME level buff

i don't particularly want that but she needs one of the previous two

[oak ivy]

yeah I put emphasis on "direct" you idiot!!
it is a buff but more in terms of it being a quality of life feature!!!!!

[orchid acorn]

that is a direct buff though...

[oak ivy]

hmpf

[limpid oar]

no she's literally in a good spot rn, she does not need any form of buff as much as it'd make her feel nicer to play

[frank mulch]

Ngl I think Mel would be super tryhard in games

[orchid acorn]

qol feature is like "toula can no longer miss" like bro she was designed to hit in the first place

not every buff is QOL but every QOL is a buff

[oak ivy]

semantics 🥱

[merry whale]

mel would be the kinda player to get mad in mario kart

[frank mulch]

She would beat the all dark souls games back to back no hit no death run or whatever

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-selling-out-season-4-threatening-beat-up-gif-13039255826611605782

[limpid oar]

lilac you are so based

[oak ivy]

awww thank you 💞

[frank mulch]

I wasn’t imagining Mario kart specifically bc I’ve never played it but I see the vision

[mystic storm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/911835070220877884/1341043512824827968/FGkLmuO.gif

[orchid acorn]

shes gonna be based in a coffin

[merry whale]

fair, they released a new entry after like 10-15 years or smth

[oak ivy]

wtf

[crude dragon]

Is it the Dark Souls 2 gender coffin?

[oak ivy]

😭 isn't that going too far

[orchid acorn]

6 ft deep

oops wrong ping

i forgot i was yapping about toula

[candid geode]

I will not allow any of the familiars to be talked badly about

[little frost]

TOULA

[candid geode]

They are all useful and cute

[meager garden]

toula please wake up and do something

[merry whale]

hecuba sucks

[frank mulch]

Guys guys there’s no need to threaten people with swimming with the fishes. Toula will help us all out

[brave urchin]

[orchid acorn]

anyway she would be in a good spot with the change that she was already in the room. As it stands she currently is too clunky and doesn't support her own gameplay loop

[candid geode]

REF DO SOMWTHING

[little frost]

fishing with the swimes

[limpid oar]

I think Frinos and Hecuba could use a slight buff but they all got their place in the game

[frank mulch]

I’m always saying this

[brave urchin]

@cursive kayakI mean one is obvious: The hades 1 characters getting new arts. would be very, very strange if they just recycled.

[orchid acorn]

the police bringing toula to skip the minigame of finding lilac in the water

foiled again

[candid geode]

I like using Hecuba because she just farms Hella Lotta magick for me, as someone who spams the omega moves

[frank mulch]

Ok this is quite scary let’s drop this

[orchid acorn]

😔 ok

[candid geode]

Also doggie 🥰

[orchid acorn]

@oak ivy you win this round

[brave urchin]

Also agree that Odysseus is kinda irrelevant for the story. XD

[merry whale]

yea fair, like i get hecuba is solid for magick builds but i also dislike that hecuba is kinda locked in as the familiar for most magick centric builds

[oak ivy]

@frank mulch can you timeout pronto for 2 hours to teach him a lesson 🥺

[brave urchin]

I would love to see Odysseus meet Scylla. Maybe after the fight? XD

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-cat-smol-small-ragey-gif-26398063

[little frost]

there are no winners here, in a place with such little honor (chats that pronto and lilac are both in)

[orchid acorn]

lilac acting like we aint friends for the bit 😔 time for me to die

[candid geode]

I think that's kinda how it is with weapons as well
Each have their own specific thing that make them special

[limpid oar]

I honestly don't see an issue with that, the fact that a magick-centric familiar exists helps a lot with viability of magick-heavy builds

[frank mulch]

my Ti is also dying can we fund it

[candid geode]

It took me a while to adjust to the no extra death defy when I switched from toula to hecuba

[brave urchin]

Also what is dream theory? If the story would be all a dream that would be the DUMBEST writing ever.

[little frost]

someone stole my TI-84 my first year of college and it pissed me off

[cursive kayak]

this

[little frost]

but i got a fancier one the year after that could solve differential equations and stuff for me so that was tight

[merry whale]

fair, personally i just want to play w another familiar like frinos/raki

[orchid acorn]

some of these seem a bit too free

like we borderline KNOW we're getting od character dev through achievements though i guess the arguable part is if it will be good lmao

[candid geode]

Manifest us being able to finally pet Cerberus in v.1

[limpid oar]

that's a bit extreme of a reaction to what is a minor inconvenience. if your familiar isn't there for the first wave of a room or first 2 seconds of a boss fight it's not that big of a deal

[oak ivy]

Pronto can't stand a bad witch like me winning (being called based by others)

[little frost]

true

[orchid acorn]

reminder that without hordes most fights are quite literally 1-2 waves at most

[brave urchin]

I bet you can pet him post beating Chronos once.

[merry whale]

odysseus should kill charybdis permanently actually

[little frost]

REAL REAL REAL

HELP ME OD

[orchid acorn]

the combat loop of the game is literally get into room > start combat.

Toula instead wants you to wait at the door until she not only spawns but her animation completes then you need to dash/sprint over her

[candid geode]

I NEED to pet him after I beat him up unintentionally in the Field of Woes
I'm sorry buddy, you attacked me first

[orchid acorn]

hence why if she spawned in the center of the map, where combat is 99% going to be happening, it would actually make sense

[limpid oar]

if we are assuming casual no hordes gameplay, then you can just like... wait for her for 2 seconds and it's not gonna be a big deal lmao

[cursive kayak]

i actually didn’t see an achievement talking about od (i haven’t looked oops). but yeah the keyword is “better” lmao

if it stays the same quality level as right now I’ll be disappointed

[little frost]

let me call od with a companion in the rivals sirens fight that deletes charybby

[frank mulch]

@narrow stirrup behavior

[brave urchin]

I think fighting Ceberus in the moaning fields is just like going out to the park with your dog, for him.

[candid geode]

Speaking of charybdis did they alter the chances of seeing them? I haven't seen that boss in so long

[orchid acorn]

then again you have some insane out there takes like fixing up the house of hades or cerb visits crossroads like bro that entire area is nuked 😭

[cursive kayak]

in the huh

[brave urchin]

It's not really a "fight" for Ceberus. It's just play.

[cursive kayak]

nah trust

[merry whale]

in the blood

[orchid acorn]

i told you your ws are my w's

[meager garden]

cerberus is a bath

[candid geode]

"Play" as in

[brave urchin]

or that.

[merry whale]

nah just rng

[candid geode]

https://tenor.com/view/hulk1-gif-18719605

[orchid acorn]

kinda sorta yes

[brave urchin]

I saw her only 3 times in 77 nights XD

[orchid acorn]

they added in the 2nd miniboss back in... warsong? and its the first miniboss you can find and i believe its favored over charybdis

[candid geode]

Ngl I prefer the other boss......charybdis beats me up too many times

[orchid acorn]

so new save files aren't guaranteed charybdis whcih is a bit of an issue for rivals

as multiple people have shown going "wtf why can't i unlock rivals 2"

[little frost]

yargo my beloved (just remember a melting hammer or something)

[brave urchin]

Gankplank from League of legends is not as fun as Charybddis.