h2-discussion

[polar abyss]

Well there are ways to summon allies in the form of stuff like Night Bloom, Sun Worshipper, and Ecstatic Obsession. And there are Godsent Hexes to replace the calls. But I think the replacement for the ally system of H1 are the familiars.

[wintry dagger]

If the final secret familiar turns out to be Zag, do we still feed him scooby snacks to level him up

[wide socket]

fair enough.. still there are a lot of godsend i have not able to try.. hex is such a weak component (mostly hit or miss) seem like in the high fear list no one pick up hex? am i correct?

[sleek oar]

Hexes are pretty good tbh

Like very good sometimes even

[polar abyss]

Some “high fear runs” do use Hexes. Lunar Ray, Wolf Howl, and Dark Side can be used to spam Armor or Invincibility to tank damage; Lunar Ray, Dark Side, and Total Eclipse can be used as ways to destroy certain bosses; Twilight Curse can be used for the Miniboss phase of Chronos or just everywhere in Surface; etc.

[nocturne zenith]

don't high fear runs have to deal with onion (less boons) and hubris (less magic), both of which make going for hexes/paths dicier due to opportunity cost on what few boons you can still get and less magic to charge them with?

[polar abyss]

Yes. However, Selene’s moon beams are not currently effected by Vow of Forfeit, and any primed weapons can still use Growth as a substitute if needed.

[wide socket]

i usually pick beam, skyfall, morph and night bloom other times if i have issue with the previous try i will go with hex to have a better build.. work for me like that

[sleek oar]

Honestly i run hubris 90% of the time, it hasnt really been a problem with hexes for me

But im not rlly running super high fear

[polar abyss]

Oh yeah. Night Bloom can also be used in the Rival Chronos fight to either summon the Miniboss for yourself in P1, or get your own healing buddy in the form of the Tempii in P2.

So I’d say that while Hexes are not required at 50+ and 62, and some runs never use or collect a single hex, Hexes are situationally strong depending on RNG and circumstance.

[wide socket]

coin toss but stronk

[sleek oar]

If youre not running high fear, i do really recommend playing hexes, they get fun

You can get some insane stuff going with the right build

[wide socket]

what tempii?

[sharp cosmos]

I was about to share my experience, but I'm casually running around 24-26 fear so I guess my opinion is irrelevant lmao

[polar abyss]

The Hourglasses in Phase 2 of Chronos.

[wide socket]

they heall?

[sharp cosmos]

yes

[wide socket]

my gosh what am i missing

[sharp cosmos]

That's their whole shtick, 45 healing points per tick or 90 given UR or not

[polar abyss]

It’s not irrelevant. I’m not some end all be all figure. Tbh I’m not a super strong player compared to some of the other people who do this semi-masochistic challenge.

[sharp cosmos]

(For Chronos, I don't know how much it is for the player)

[sleek oar]

No bro i am firmly of the opinion this server needs more ppl running this type of fear sharing their thoughts 🤧

[polar abyss]

It’s not much healing, and it feels a bit inconsistent, but it is healing that bypasses Scars 3.

[sleek oar]

I am also running between 16-26 usually, we need some more casual rep on here 🤧

[sharp cosmos]

But yeah, Nightbloom against UR typhon is actually goated, in my opinion. As soon as the Yargonaut dies, you resummon it, and can just focus on dodging, it'll kill typhon in a minute, a minute and a half most

[polar abyss]

Best part is when you have that one boon that makes the enemy stay indefinitely

Ah, it feels so good!

[wide socket]

pocket healing nice

[sharp cosmos]

ain't that right.
But also, I made the mistake of taking this Hex as a crutch, and severly regretted it against UR Prometheus, given the fact that I didn't kill a single enemy for most of the fight, trying to focus Heracles as I often do

[wide socket]

i'll try this run for rival cronus then with revive strat 😛

[wide socket]

for me morph feels nice agaist typhon

especially the one that can gather all of them in a cast

[sharp cosmos]

How does it even work ?

[wide socket]

clear minions

[sharp cosmos]

oh, you're using the hex against the adds, got it

[wide socket]

it also damage boss with godsend i think

[sharp cosmos]

On an unrelated topic, I must commend you for your nickname on the server
Cast enjoyer right here 🤝

[vapid bluff]

Anyone have a list of the possible run clear messages/commendations for hades 2?

[sharp cosmos]

(This said, I'm glad that casts aren't this much of an option in H2 than in H1, I swear in the first game 90% of my runs were cast-centric)

[sleek oar]

Tbh crystal beam runs were fun 💀

[polar abyss]

I’d argue that casts are even more important in H2 than 1.

Furies is huge (+30% GLOBAL damage buff), and you slow down stuff like the Fisticuff Fields enemies, or the Wailers.

[vapid bluff]

Yeah it's important especially on higher fear

[sharp cosmos]

Yes, but now they feel like some kind of support, one tool in the toolkit to reinforce you, as on Hades 1 it could've been 99% of your damage without a care in the world

[wide socket]

yeah i run pan with furries a lot

[polar abyss]

Ah… that’s what you mean.

[sharp cosmos]

Crystal beam, Hera's bow, seeking rifts, crashing waves, so on and so forth

[vapid bluff]

Demeter crystals were truly something else

[sharp cosmos]

Also, since we're talking about pan, any opinion/advice on defeating P3 UR Chronos with pan knives ? I swear it always warped out of the cast once I was approaching it (didn't have any cast "projectile")

[sleek oar]

I am never turning off furies

Its too good

[sharp cosmos]

Ngl, I don't tweak my arcana at all

I should, but I'm too lazy and the actual config is honestly good enough

[sleek oar]

I tweak based on if im using magick or not

[vapid bluff]

I tweak them for fated list and if im doing the void vow

[sharp cosmos]

That's one thing i should absolutely do yeah

[vapid bluff]

I cant live without the unseen apparently

I need my mana

[wide socket]

dem and artemis duo boon time

[vapid bluff]

Wonder if Mynt has a void 4 55f momus run. Probably does

[sharp cosmos]

Also, i didn't realize how 10 rolls were comfy. During the first few runs I had 7+, I was wondering how useful that was, given I had like 5 in H1, but being able to reroll a room for another god, or just gamble on a higher rarity feels very nice

[orchid acorn]

as far as we can tell via the roadmap the game is feature complete. obviously a partial fib based off achievements and just common sense based off ingame stuff currently but i doubt hell(or "nightmare mode" is in the cards

[sharp cosmos]

without the duo it felt quite bad tbh 💀

[orchid acorn]

i don't think they were very happy with hell mode as a concept

can only be selected on new save files and all it did was turn on some fear vows automatically

[sharp cosmos]

Yeah hell mode was... meh.

[orchid acorn]

its more that now you can reroll BOTH doors and gods

[polar abyss]

The first thing I thought of is “Switch to a different weapon lol ”
The second thing I thought of is “Just take Trick Knives ”
But my actual answer is… Pan is not really in a good place right now, what with Morrigan being the defacto best Sister Blade, and the aspect’s ability not being very good without the Poseidon ICD and Pan’s OSpecial animation delay. Vytautas did clear Pan 62 UW, but didn’t use the aspect’s ability at all. Instead, it was a build that used Hephaestus Blasts (duo with Demeter), and Hera Specials.

[sleek oar]

Gambling is good 🙂‍↕️🙂‍↕️

[orchid acorn]

Pan was sent to the shadow realm as of this patch unfortunately

still good when you can get it to work but extremely clunky and not fun to use anymore. get trick knives is bout all i can say

[polar abyss]

So my advice is to basically use the best Heph Blast build atm. Take Heph start, go for the lowest cooldown you can, take Hestia, Apollo, and either Demeter, Aphrodite, or Hera as the fourth god for either another Blast duo, or Hitch.

[wide socket]

i was mistaken i guess it was the one that fires back at zag (dem+aphro?)

[sharp cosmos]

Uh, I didn't know about that ! Thank you :)
I had way less trouble with the surface run, and tbh, I quite like the aspect (couple that with the fact I don't have morrigan yet), but it's "nice" to know that the issue doesn't come from me necessarily, but from the weaponitself

[wide socket]

yeah thought so lol

[sleek oar]

No poseidon?

[wide socket]

it is what it is

[polar abyss]

Oh yeah. There is also Poseidon.

Poseidon is probably better than Aphrodite

[orchid acorn]

did you just wake up from a 4 month coma

[sleek oar]

What

[polar abyss]

But Hestia is the Most Important duo, followed by Apollo for Blasts imo.

[sleek oar]

The cd reduce is good?

[orchid acorn]

o you meant in context of heph build

[wide socket]

revaal's omega special for blast = multiple clank

[polar abyss]

Yeah. I’d say like… for a Blast Build, Hestia > Apollo > Poseidon > Demeter > Aphrodite, probably. Any others are to be ignored. But also Hitch would probably be on par or better than Poseidon and below.

[sharp cosmos]

That's something I never thought about before

[orchid acorn]

that doesn't work tho?

heph clang specifically works off the first enemy you damage

not every enemy you hit in the first attack you do

[polar abyss]

It can work, but it’s like within 1 second of the blast going off.

[wide socket]

it does but not very predictable basicall the targets has to be very clost to proc multi

[orchid acorn]

yes thats how every blast works

it chains to nearby enemies but that can be done with ANY weapon

revall o spec has nothng to do with it

[wide socket]

i see

[orchid acorn]

if heph blasts worked like you think he would've been good long before the buffs lmao

omega attack skull would be doing work

[sharp cosmos]

But at the same time, Blast builds aren't something I do right now. Like, Heph is the nice lil 4th god, having some support and maybe a nice duo, but it's quite never someone I'm willing to focus on.
Not quite the same as Ares, which I tend and try to actually ignore, because I really dislike wounds and blades, and while plasma is nice, having to meddle with all the other features to get the legendary feels bad

[orchid acorn]

Welcome to the opinion of hephestus since april 2024

[sharp cosmos]

(also, tbh, not counting the chaos trials, I have less than 50 nights played)

[orchid acorn]

Latest balance patch giga buffed him to being somewhat viable, but still has the core issue of being incredibly reliant on poms

but once you are online you roll face

shame hes getting nerfed at 1.0 but what you gonna do

[polar abyss]

Hephaestus at the moment is a fantastic god, provided you build with him specifically. Otherwise, he’s a pretty good support giver, so you basically ignore all core boons except for Tough Gain for Nergal.

[sharp cosmos]

And, since H1, I'm def not a pom enjoyer.
Why have silly fruits when I can have the incommensurable power of the gods

[orchid acorn]

so true bestie

[vapid bluff]

What vows should I do for 40f underworld? I take time 1 and get cooked by hecate and barely stack time, I dont take time and get cooked anyways by rivals cerb or rivals scylla...

[orchid acorn]

and poms got nerfed globally for basically all boons in the latest patch for some reason giving you even less of a reason to take them on doors :^)

[polar abyss]

Is the goal to push to 50 or 62 Fear?

Or is it just to do 40?

[orchid acorn]

dw though once you get 10 poms on a common hephestus attack you'll be good

[vapid bluff]

Maybe, just doing a pb for now

[polar abyss]

Because if it’s pushing Fear, you want to get used to Rivals.

[sharp cosmos]

The one run I was very appreciative of with Heph is having the blast as first boon, immediatly into Hera w/ Bridal Glow. That was a fun run

[wide socket]

his raw damage build is very hard to do (for me at least ) getting all the right boon in sequence is hard enough

[vapid bluff]

Ugh. Any tips for rivals scylla then, she always eats one dd off of me or more. Then i lose the rest to cerb.

[polar abyss]

Rivals 3 should be taken, but Rival Chronos / Typhon / Prom should probably be ignored if it’s not 62 as a goal.

[sharp cosmos]

I don't do Rivals to push Fear, I do Rivals because I want my heart to beat at 200 bpm and feel the real boss fight panic experience 😎

[orchid acorn]

open your third eye

one eye to track jetty, one eye to track all projectiles, one eye to watch for roxy aoe

[vapid bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-reading-meme-spongebob-eyeball-reading-two-pages-gif-8397699332299369323

[nocturne zenith]

rivals scylla is basically bullet hell, but i've found the most success with focusing charybdis first unless the drummer gets featured artist in phase 2

bait the spin attack then go ham, the tentacles don't have too much hp each

if your dps is high enough you can kill them before the spin comes out

[vapid bluff]

Rivals scylla is basically bullet hell

Ftfy 😭

[orchid acorn]

i don't like focusing tentacles first casue for some stupid reason they decided killing all tentacles doesn't stop charybdis in phase 1

[sharp cosmos]

I often try to hard focus the drummer, so that the arena is only flooded by projectiles and not aoe restricted too, but than can be tricky with Charybdis tentacles near it and the spouts. So I clean the tentacle between the spout and drummer, then focus drummer, and when I'm forced to relocate due to, well, anything, I lend a hit and an omega cast on tentacles before circling back

[nocturne zenith]

yes that's definitely annoying but imo it's still worth because it opens up more space for you to safely stand

[polar abyss]

• Attack Back Tentacles first, so you can dodge Scylla’s dash attack as well.
• Then attack either Scylla or Jetty combined with the middle tentacles.
• Attack Roxy last.
• Remember that Scylla at half HP does a dash attack
• If you get Featured Roxy, you are in luck, because you can freely focus on the back tentacles for like the first 15-20 seconds.

[vapid bluff]

Yeah that's what I do, I focus the drummer and then I eat 40 projectiles in the pocket haha @sharp cosmos

[wide socket]

for me what i have grown used to is to take care of tentacles first if the sirens is close by let them have some too then keep reducing the tentacles

[nocturne zenith]

btw what does featured charybdis do that's extra from base charybdis? i still haven't figured that out yet

[sleek oar]

Now we’ve got you in our testicles

[sharp cosmos]

Death Growl for once

(Seriously I thought about it and don't even know)

[polar abyss]

I believe Charybdis fires more projectiles as a featured artist

[wide socket]

and they track meli also reeee

[vapid bluff]

By the way, does chronos do that spell where he turns mel into a baby every single time for rivals typhon?

[orchid acorn]

fires faster projectiles
the projectile explodes into more porjectiles

[nocturne zenith]

yes

[orchid acorn]

yes

[vapid bluff]

Fantastic

[sharp cosmos]

I've experienced it 8 out of 8 times already so yeah I guess

[polar abyss]

And also he has a dialogue quip every time

[vapid bluff]

I will not push 60f i feel.

[vapid bluff]

Of course he does. Sassy old man

[polar abyss]

Yeah, if you are doing high fear, probably don’t do Surface first

[nocturne zenith]

ngl i have zero interest in pushing past 32 fear for the night's champion thing

[vapid bluff]

I think surface rivals was actually easier for me than underworld

[sharp cosmos]

I'm sad Chronos in Erebus already is out of wits, but his trash talking game went poorer and poorer before that so it's ok

[vapid bluff]

As long as I dont get cooked by medea I feel like the eris fight is pretty easy

And then rivals prom is kind of annoying but not as painful as scylla for me...

[nocturne zenith]

shoutouts to back in early ea when i beat chronos for the first time and his erebus shade talked about...my poseidon boons

[sleek oar]

Scylla is the only evil rival imo

[wide socket]

salty old man

[sharp cosmos]

Eris is consistently top 1 or 2 of the most damage taken I'd say (for me aleast)

[polar abyss]

Rival Prom at 62 is a meaty wall that may or may not kill you because of Timer and hasty mistakes.

[wide socket]

today i learn that rival cerberus has a phase if i dont attack he wont retaliate

[sharp cosmos]

That's because Cerberus is always a good boi

[polar abyss]

Yeah, Cerberus has a Counter in Rivals

[vapid bluff]

Yeah my dialogue tree has been cooked through all of EA. Ive beat prometheus like 30 times now? Theyre still on about "sO ProMeThEUs iS tHeiR suRfAce ComMander"

[wide socket]

used to struggle because of that

[vapid bluff]

Cerb has a counter? I feel like that fight turns me braindead

[sharp cosmos]

The first one to acknowledge my victory over UR Typhon was Dora, everyone waited aleast 5 runs to talk about it 😢 (not counting Selene, who congratulated me the night after)

[nocturne zenith]

the biggest danger in rivals prometheus imo is how much harder it is to keep track of the memory game. for me at least i simply can't attack heracles AND watch where i need to dodge at the same time. last time i tried i ended up eating two hits for 120 damage total.
this kills the run.

[sharp cosmos]

I often just try to hard focus Heracles and get him down before the 5 flame barrage

[wide socket]

he will have a pose and not attacking for a bit

[sharp cosmos]

That doesn't work very well, but it's better than running like a headless chicken as I was doing before

Like, for some reason, UR Prom is harder to me than UR Typhon

[vapid bluff]

Eh?! Are you an axe main or somethin?

[sharp cosmos]

I'm a grave thirst follower

[orchid acorn]

knuckle bones is really good for UR prom since it nukes BOTH hp bars

[vapid bluff]

Fair

[wide socket]

still feel going to asphodel is only useful for speedrunner but for noob its also good to not complete the stupid challenge also

[devout abyss]

UnderwoRld

[orchid acorn]

and since it nukes both hp bars, if you happen to apply hitch before knuckle bones go off you can double dip

[vapid bluff]

Trobbio.

[wide socket]

hitch for the minnions?

do they take more damage?

[vapid bluff]

For herc and prom

[orchid acorn]

no, hitching both prom and heracles

two different units with two unique hp bars that are both bosses

[vapid bluff]

Hitching them is a godsend

[nocturne zenith]

i mean, they already act hitched as it is...

(lame joke, sorry)

[vapid bluff]

Wheres that reaction image

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/852833387030380546/1416060197373481171/image33.png?ex=68c57854&is=68c426d4&hm=382754280e716d659f41f61d8d92cdfe22c855c8bf4752880872080f07881707&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=897&height=644

[wide socket]

what does before knuckle bone goes off means? its the knuckle keepsake right?

[orchid acorn]

yes those are called knuckle bones

after like 5 seconds the bosses take ... 15% of their max hp

[sharp cosmos]

Bit of a weird question, but I'm not a good english speaker, and I dunno what hitch means, and the dictionnary gives me about a dozen translations, not one fit in the context as I understand it.
Is it for the mariage related meaning, as in you suffer because the other does too ?

[devout abyss]

theres a delay between melinoe being actionable and the keepsake doing damage

[vapid bluff]

Colloquially "getting hitched" = getting married

[orchid acorn]

30% of 15 is 5~%. So you're doing 20% hp damage to the bosses

[wide socket]

ehhhh i thought it happen as the dialogue starts

[orchid acorn]

no its on a delay, if it was instant stuff like wards would instantly prevent the damage

[nocturne zenith]

yes. hera's curse being named "hitch" is in reference to "getting hitched" as a euphemism for marriage. she also used to have a lot of boons that were hilariously cynical about the whole institution of marriage, like bridal glow wearing off over time.

[wide socket]

interesting

[sharp cosmos]

Wards preventing knuckle bones would be a disaster

[vapid bluff]

It's derived from the act of hitching a wagon, when you get married youre joined together like a horse and a hitched wagon

But more figuratively, like your responsibilities and hardships are shared

[wide socket]

i wonder if knuckle + hitch works for rival sirens also lol

[devout abyss]

which ones is the horse 😻

[sharp cosmos]

Yeah, I got the cynicism from her dialogue lines already

Also, thanks everyone for the crash course in english :)

[nocturne zenith]

probably would, yes

[wide socket]

interesting

[nocturne zenith]

although unless you get super lucky in erebus you'd probably want a god keepsake to finish your build

[devout abyss]

fig would probaly still be better

[sharp cosmos]

And you also want a god keepsake to gamble, come on, you'll get a heroic this time

[wide socket]

yeah i find that if i get all 4 gods in erebus i usually will struggle with hecate

[sharp cosmos]

Yeah, the boon dilution doesn't help, you have a good base but nothing too good to dish enough damage to close out the fight

[vapid bluff]

Also frenzy 2 rivals hecate is a whole ass nightmare lol

[sharp cosmos]

Speaking of Hecate, can you like dodge the cursing projectile until it runs off ? I never succeeded to, especially against UR, so I'm getting as close as possible to then withstand about 2 Hecate attacks only

[vapid bluff]

You can yes

You need to perfectly dash through

[sharp cosmos]

It is even worth it ?

[raven perch]

You can also take Frinos who will block the projectile

[sharp cosmos]

Counterpoint : Cat.

[verbal rampart]

Yes, you can but it requires a good timing in your dash. If you manage to do it, Hecate will even comment something like "Oh, damn it"

[vapid bluff]

You're out of action for a good few seconds when youre cursed, id say so

[wide socket]

for my strats is keep dashing away as they get close it takes about 3-4 dash after they break into 3 spheres to avoid getting morph

[vapid bluff]

If you used to always get hit by it she says something like "that used to work every time" lol

[sharp cosmos]

Again, supergiant dialogue never fails

[vapid bluff]

For real, even got comments from Eris and Poly and Herc about how mel has been gone exploring the underworld

[verbal rampart]

Real. I bet the game had so much development time because of dialogue lines. They are all excellent.

[orchid acorn]

you can either dodge through it 6-7 times(depending on how late your first dodge was) or just frinos tank it

alternatively just literally sit infront of hecate and eat it

[wide socket]

h1 has 10k lines i think h2 gotta have at least 2x more

[orchid acorn]

theres also niche tech like having sun worshipper/charm hera aphro duo/ night bloom that can tank it too

[sharp cosmos]

The only weakness I'd point out if I was petty is the bizarre shift in dialogue between normal dialogue and gifting dialogue w/ Crossroads Eris.
Melinoe acts very agressively, understandably, then gifts nectar and she's all like "oh you might feel rejected take this"
My sister in Olympus, you reject her

[verbal rampart]

That is indeed an unconsistency but we'll forgive that

[sharp cosmos]

That's partially due, imo, to the fact that you don't have any threshold to reach before gifting, because as the number of encounters at the crossroads grows, Mel is less angry and more curious about Eris, which would fit nicely w/ the gifts

[ebon oak]

Where's the Day 1 DLC to play as Bouldy?

[idle crater]

you'd think 1.0 would come out before that

[verbal rampart]

Ok but I have a real question : Melinoë VS Hornet, at the octogon, free fight, anything goes. Who wins? (And same question with Zagreus and the Vessel Knight)

[sharp cosmos]

Hornet is favored by the fates, she fights with needle and thread

[verbal rampart]

True

[sharp cosmos]

Hornet is just genderbent Moros, trust

[raven perch]

Hornet can just pogo on Mel’s head and she won’t be able to do anything about it

[verbal rampart]

Real

[raven perch]

Mel might have the Olympians on her side but Hornet’s got trampoline powers

[sharp cosmos]

And shaw.
Don't forget shaw

[raven perch]

She doesn’t say it once in the whole damn game

Huge rip off

[sharp cosmos]

What a travesty

[mossy tangle]

Hornet is too ticked off for being kidnapped, she ain't got the time to be wholesome now

[oak ivy]

no meow I figured it out
the reason she doesn't Shaw is because we're supposed to self-insert and yell Shaw ourselves every time!!!!!

[raven perch]

BY JOVE

[mossy tangle]

Dodge boons and omega cast and Hornet can kiss goodbye.

[mossy tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/marmota-cooking-hold-up-gif-5382607284931131048

[raven perch]

Can’t dodge my harpooooon

[oak ivy]

Harpoon is so HECKING cool I really wish Mel had it too

[buoyant matrix]

ever reliable blade oattack:

[oak ivy]

true!! but it's much slower than the harpoon

[deft mountain]

General question; I haven't played since Update 1 and I've wanted to start a new save. Can I start now or should I wait for 1.0?

[oak ivy]

you can start now!

you shouldn't miss out on anything big since the 1.0 should only add ending stuffs

[deft mountain]

I know with Hades 1 it was pretty seamless but I didn't know if 1.0 for Hades 2 would bring big changes to upgrades/arcana cards etc

[sharp cosmos]

You can start now, but if you have the willpower, wait for 1.0, it's in 10 days and you'll get the seamless insert of all the new narrative content

[orchid acorn]

as far as we know we are getting VERY little gamepaly updates and the majority is story. Expect balance as per usual but thats it.

frankly if you haven't played since update 1 i'd reset

[oak ivy]

super unlikely, and even if yes, it'd be very minor

[deft mountain]

I was going to anyway. Thanks!

[glad lake]

10

[orchid acorn]

(Days left)

[verbal rampart]

@sharp cosmos they are counting the days left before 1.0

[torpid grove]

9

[glad lake]

soon 9

I'm holding myself from playing at this point

[oak ivy]

don't! just go and play smh!

[torpid grove]

ill do a second save on release to play until credits atleast just to see the story as a whole

[glad lake]

nö

[oak ivy]

melinöe

[glad lake]

MeliNÖe

at this point if I kill Cronos one more time without an ending I'll go mad

[raven perch]

I’m terrified of 1.0 because it means it’s over

[torpid grove]

surely this time it will work

[glad lake]

in 10, it will

[torpid grove]

1 chronos kill each day

[verbal rampart]

No more waiting, feels like a bless

[raven perch]

No because as long as it’s not out it can be whatever I want it to be

[glad lake]

'Im thinking of just farming resources and dying right before Cronos

[oak ivy]

Susie from Deltarune:

[glad lake]

so I can get nightmare

[raven perch]

It’s an honor

[raven perch]

Just buy that shizz from homeboy Charon

[limpid oar]

I'm thinking of getting at least one 62 before 1.0... maybe I need to start properly grinding it already

[wanton wasp]

is it recommended to replay since the beggining when the 1.0 releases ?

[torpid grove]

up to you if you wanna see the story as a whole with the right pacing but if you dont thats fine aswell

[buoyant matrix]

nothing is "recommended" do whatever you want

[orchid acorn]

to put into context, season 3 is the series finale of this show and do you remember everything from the first 2 seasons or are you just going off memory for major plot points

if you want the full experience, time to do a fresh file

if you don't want to replay because it would take too long or you don't care for the minute details and understand the hades 2 plot at its core for the most part, keep going

ultimately its your choice no real right answer, but if you started a year ago and only understand "mel wants her family back" and not specific dialogues and stuff i'd say restart

[raven perch]

I’d also say like, there actually probably won’t be too many additions to the dialogue Before the ending bits

That’s why certain things are blocked off

[orchid acorn]

correct, but not the point im making

Im working off the assumption that literally zero dialogue that matters is added and i would still recommend restarting for anyone that doesn't have a time issue

unless you very recently did a playthrough(circa unseen update) and i'd wager most people have been playing since EA start and those people i would say should restart if they don't care to regrind.

and im a gameplay person who doesn't come for the story lmao

[raven perch]

By “don’t care to regrind” I’m assuming you mean they’re don’t mind regrinding

[orchid acorn]

ye

[cursive kayak]

i am so torn between starting fresh and not

i think I’ll finish on my current save then play fresh once im done

[orchid acorn]

thats my plan

finish for anti spoilers. start fresh and get the real new player experience

[oak ivy]

my plan is just avoiding this server for a few days 💔

[orchid acorn]

💔

who will i bully

[oak ivy]

Fraud!

[raven perch]

Just come to sherma server we’ll bully you there too <3

[oak ivy]

thanks meow 😔

[orchid acorn]

😔

[oak ivy]

AD is probably so happy we're gone now

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/desert-tumble-weed-ghost-town-gif-11132442

[raven perch]

Let’s invite AD

[orchid acorn]

the server when we stop yapping

[raven perch]

So true

[oak ivy]

lmaoooo no he doesn't play Silksong, he explicitly even dislikes it!!!! (or at least doesn't care about it) not a fan of sherma too...

[oak ivy]

wait Pronto are you a fan of Sherma

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hollow-knight-hollow-night-silksong-faridulasimanet-sherma-silksong-gif-171830693794769624

[orchid acorn]

he isn't in hk1 right

[oak ivy]

no..

[orchid acorn]

havent sen him yet

he looks funny like he should be kicked

bullyable

[oak ivy]

this is all you need to know about him:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hopMAK_rddU

[oak ivy]

😭 he must be protected!!!

Hornet helps him out on the journey

[orchid acorn]

oh i saw a vtuber sing along to this

hes a cool littleguy

[oak ivy]

nice

[raven perch]

Evil

[final token]

Guys do you realize that 1.0 is in half a shower ???

[polar abyss]

Man, that’s a really long shower.

[orchid acorn]

thats not true i only shower once a month and its only 1.5 weeks away

[oak ivy]

😭 I really hope you're joking

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-stink-bad-breath-stank-face-smelly-gif-16392254

[oak ivy]

lmaooo

[polar abyss]

Wait… I got the true answer.

[buoyant matrix]

yo @orchid acorn someone in #h2-story-discussion needs the greatest gift of gaia reqs

[polar abyss]

It’s the length of time that Mel spends in the bathing salts (-2)

[raven perch]

Pizza why no join sherma cult

Hang out with us

[buoyant matrix]

haven't finished the game yet and college starts again in a week

[raven perch]

That’s fair

[buoyant matrix]

won't have a lot of time to play or be active in discord

[raven perch]

Godspeed

[final token]

sherma became chief btw

chief of poor littlee pilgrims

[limpid oar]

I like shawarma too

[raven perch]

No spoilers but Sherma starts a band

[buoyant matrix]

sherma cures cancer

[final token]

sherma does not die

[oak ivy]

that's understandable... feel free to reach out if you change your mind!

[oak ivy]

you really gotta play Silksong.....

everyone on this server should honestly!

[final token]

sherma's a vicitm of capitalism

[raven perch]

If you like the lore of H2 Silksong’s is better

[raven perch]

Aren’t we all

[final token]

farm rosaries in act III is hell hard

[raven perch]

It’s not that bad just get the choral guards near memorium

You don’t even really need that many

[final token]

yeah but they are 2 instead of 5 in act II

[oak ivy]

farming those guys becomes so much easier once you ||disable the stupid silk idiots that show up every now and then.. I HATE THEM WHY DO THEY DRAIN MY SILK!!!!||

[raven perch]

They’re hungry!

[buoyant matrix]

guys check #h2-story-discussion !!

the first time i used the thing! 😃

[raven perch]

YOU DID IT!

Congrats! It wasn’t for naught!

[buoyant matrix]

BRUUUH

[oak ivy]

lmaoooo that's so funny

just one day later 😭

so poetic ❤️

[buoyant matrix]

wait is gale actually 6% dodge chance and move speed

[orchid acorn]

yes

you also missed the use their resource gathering ability for the hecate unlock

[oak ivy]

it's so easy to criticize others all the time while not creating anything yourself 😔

[orchid acorn]

i literally made a better one

[devout abyss]

okay lilac

its actually really hard to criticize others

[orchid acorn]

🐸 Frinos 🐸 Found in mels bedroom. 20/30/40 max hp. Blocks projectiles, including hecate sheep hex. Landing on enemies deals 40 damage. Increases Shade 👻 spawn chances.
🕊️ Raki 🕊️. Found in Erebus Fountain. 2/3/4% universal crit. Pecks enemies for repeated small damage and marks them for an additional 15% crit chance. Increases Ore ⛏️ 🪨 chances to spawn
🐈 Toula 🐈. Found on the docks. Attacks 8/9/10(? i have no idea how this scales now post buff) times for 99 damage each. must dash or sprint over toula to activate. Grants 1 60/70/80 hp death defiance. Increases Fish 🐟 chances to spawn.

After bonding with the above 3, using their abilities in runs AND upgrading 4 total times across any pets can you unlock the following two pets by talking to hecate

🐕 Hecuba 🐕 - Found in Echos chamber. 30/45/60 max magick. Stuns enemies on a 6~ second cooldown. Digs up magick restoring potions when you are low and occasionally digs up a sandwhich at low hp. Increases seed 🌱 chances to spawn
🐿️ Gale 🐿️ Found at Olympus endshop. Grants 4/5/6% dodge chance. Blocks up to 3 hits per region dealing 300/350/400 damage in return to the enemy that hit you. Increases 🌸 and other flora chances to spawn

[buoyant matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[raven perch]

You forgot the location of the familiars which was the whole point

[orchid acorn]

yeah but that got added in

[raven perch]

Pfft

[oak ivy]

*it's

see it's easy!!!!

[raven perch]

Can everyone use paragraph breaks.. for me 🥺

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-gif-21179057

[oak ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/chunk-groundhog-chunk-the-groundhog-stare-staring-gif-9579354942172350414

[devout abyss]

im ngl i routed out like the first 2-3 hours of true silksong completion (breakable walls, every rosary/shell shard collectible) and im bored as hell i am just gonna play the game normally lol

[raven perch]

Hell yeah

[buoyant matrix]

play however you have fun 💯

[devout abyss]

this is

for something else

[oak ivy]

trobbio!!!!!

[devout abyss]

ive already 100% the game twice lols

[dire sand]

Just dont play games

[buoyant matrix]

just don't

[dire sand]

100% was fun but idk if 100% speedrun sounds fun

[devout abyss]

already done

[dire sand]

Regular run I might go for idk if I wanna do steelsoul

Especially cause steel soul is just cheese strats lol

[devout abyss]

i did the 100% speedrun achievement in steel soul

[nocturne zenith]

i'm going to keep my endgame file for 1.0 on pc but whenever i get around to buying the switch 2 version i think i'll do a fresh file instead of importing via cross save

[devout abyss]

you could say ime a gamer , BD

[nocturne zenith]

oops i'm WAY too late for that particular discussion lmao

[raven perch]

Ry is kinda one of the best silksong players out there currently

[nocturne zenith]

disregard me

[dire sand]

Neat

[oak ivy]

It's such a privilege to be friends with ry!

[devout abyss]

my pb is nowhere close to wr

[dire sand]

So when world record ry

[devout abyss]

i dont find speedrunning that fun

[dire sand]

Make your own category

World record that

[devout abyss]

i enjoy optimizing games but doing the same thing over and over again isn't enjoyable

[oak ivy]

Trobbio%

[dire sand]

Ye routing >> running

[buoyant matrix]

steel soul 100% no tools no nail upgrades no silk skills speedrun

[dire sand]

Did you save quit in steelsoul to save yourself lol

[devout abyss]

of course

[dire sand]

Ye it really is just cheese city

[devout abyss]

i'm not gonna lose my save file

i wouldn't say i abused it

[limpid oar]

nah im great at it

[devout abyss]

all the times i did it were mid-game exploration actually lol

[dire sand]

Just copy the save file

[devout abyss]

i did all the bosses without savequit

the hh arena tho

[buoyant matrix]

i wish i could save quit in social interactions

[dire sand]

Idk steelsoul 100% sounds a bit tedious

Tho I suppose people know what counts for it

So there's plenty you can still skip probably

[devout abyss]

oh i could make a silksong bingo

[vapid bluff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1417196200792162404/image.png?ex=68c99a50&is=68c848d0&hm=4ffeb15e8a05bbbb02b9d2be02de89919eb5661936e5db33433bf6d55312adb1& 40f underworld with strength

vampiric cataclysm GIGA carried t bh

i was at 16 hp leaving hecate and at like 13 after scylla rivals

i got vampiric in the mourning fields and never really worried since

[raven perch]

Can’t wait for randomizer runs

[devout abyss]

fr

[oak ivy]

I can't wait for fireborn hunters vs speedrunners thing!!!!

If they can make it work it could be the coolest thing

[dire sand]

Bluesr uploading multiple WORLD RECORD (former) is very funny

Gotta get those clicks somehow

[buoyant matrix]

hunters will keep dying to environmental hazards

[oak ivy]

Lmaooo well everyone has to get good at the game first

[dire sand]

Like we already have an established format in most speed games of FWR or putting the former first

[raven perch]

Hunters get maggot invincibility while Fire doesn’t

[vapid bluff]

wait, how do i proc the questline for clearing up narcissus' pool..?? I've got him to go talk to echo, but nemesis is literally giving me generic dialogue 😭

[dire sand]

Putting the former after it is kinda funny

[raven perch]

Nem doesn’t help with that

Basically you have to wait for Mel to talk to Narc again I think

[vapid bluff]

i see

[orchid acorn]

nem does matter for like one specific thing

its her taking echos spot for a plot point once

[oak ivy]

"Silksong but we changed the floor to maggot water everywhere!" !!!!!

[raven perch]

I thought they removed that?

[orchid acorn]

they removed the random chance for her to do that after the plot point

[dire sand]

Silksong but all areas are the ducts

[orchid acorn]

but she is still forced to do it, once.

[oak ivy]

Silksong but all enemies are replaced with those annoying mosquito guys from the ducts

[orchid acorn]

see meow this is why fresh files are important to play again xdd

[dire sand]

All enemies are ||lost lace||

[oak ivy]

You gotta spoiler tag that.!!!

[dire sand]

Way ahead

[oak ivy]

Yeah good

[orchid acorn]

silksong but every enemy is sherma

[oak ivy]

Sherma doesn't fight... :(

[orchid acorn]

model swap

[oak ivy]

😭

[orchid acorn]

flying sherma. trap sherma. beeg sherma boss

[oak ivy]

Noooo

[dire sand]

I dont even like sherma as an npc much but I'm always more fond of the little bastard npcs who are just bastards

I love the little thief

You break him free and he's instantly stealing again

10/10

[raven perch]

Me… I have a fondness for Tiso 😔

I didn’t care much for Gribble cuz he just doesn’t show up much

[oak ivy]

Grindle?

[raven perch]

Oh yeah

[oak ivy]

I like him!!

[limpid oar]

guys #video-games is the other way

[raven perch]

I like him too I just don’t have much attachment

[oak ivy]

Play Silksong!!!!!!

Jesus

[raven perch]

Eris is my baby

[limpid oar]

if people keep talking here ill get the whole thing spoiled to me and there wont be a point

[dire sand]

I like how (act 3) ||the whole world goes to hell and grindle just is like 'ye pretty good for the thieving business'||

[raven perch]

Yes yes we will cease to spoil

[oak ivy]

We'll invite you to a cool secret server if you play Silksong 👀

[dire sand]

The server is called play silksong

[limpid oar]

is that just gonna be the team cherry discord

[raven perch]

It’s sherma cult

[oak ivy]

no it's our own cool server

[vapid bluff]

how much prestige do ya think they'll give us for our void lenses and zodiac sands

it better be a lot cuz grinding them back up for the incantations is gonna be annoying >:(

[orchid acorn]

0

[oak ivy]

probably at least 2

[orchid acorn]

realistically it won't be enough to really matter. lets say 100 per

if they giga juice us it'll just instantly unlock all the new stuff and they prob don't want that

[raven perch]

100 per?

I’ll be rich

[orchid acorn]

how many do you have 😭

[raven perch]

No never mind

[raven perch]

120 each

[buoyant matrix]

oh yeah we're eating good tonight

[oak ivy]

you have 120 z-sand and void lenses??????????

WHAT

[raven perch]

Probably more void lens too yeah

Maybe around 150 vl

[vapid bluff]

holy crap dude

[oak ivy]

WHAT 😭

[raven perch]

For a whole year I did at least one run a day pretty much . I did not win every time 😔

[oak ivy]

OMG THATS CRAZY

[raven perch]

The fact I have almost equal VL and Z-Sand is kinda funny considering Typhon only came out a few months ago

Can you see why I’m so sad it’s all getting dusted 😭😭

[vapid bluff]

well

tink about how dripped up your base will be though

[raven perch]

I already bought all the decorations 😭😭

[vapid bluff]

unlucky.

[oak ivy]

Amir Greg and Jonathan online!!!! 1.0 sudden shadowdrop??? 👀

[orchid acorn]

more are coming

[buoyant matrix]

lilac it's melinover

[orchid acorn]

idr if you saw the pet decorations

[buoyant matrix]

you have to let it go

[raven perch]

I know about it

[oak ivy]

😔 💔 sorry that was just a kneejerk reaction

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-bart-bart-no-force-of-habit-marge-gif-9773839971414965074

[wintry dagger]

If I gather enough void lenses, I can build my own mount olympus out of them

[vapid bluff]

forget olympus, you can make like 10 typhons

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/753785469099311266/1417204479945609297/image.png?ex=68c9a206&is=68c85086&hm=405ab69bccb67be4af73cee2dd74450bbf1b7b006ba7182745ced748bbee39e5& bought a hera boon next to mr. shirtless, of COURSE supergiant gave him a line about it

i wonder if he's coded to never buy hera boons as well..?

did they nerf medea in rivals? feel like she's easier to dodge

[buoyant matrix]

no you just got better

[vapid bluff]

hey, i'll take it

[orchid acorn]

didn't they actually nerf her tho

not like recently, but i swear theres a note increasing the delay between appear>attack

[plain shale]

Can I ask a dumb question

[orchid acorn]

nvm i guess im insane

[orchid acorn]

go for it we're all insane here

[plain shale]

But what’s the difference between this latest version and 1.0

Is it minor or is it significant

[raven perch]

1.0 will have all the final lore stuff

But gameplay wise they’re only gonna be adding a few keepsakes and maybe a secret boss

[plain shale]

Ok

[orchid acorn]

to make a hades 1 comparison, assuming you have played h1, the game ends after you beat dad the first time but you instantly die after you win

you never meet mom, you never do any of the major plot stuff etc

[vapid bluff]

believe they said no more new bosses right..?

[orchid acorn]

all of that is added at 1.0

[plain shale]

Thanks oh ok

[plain shale]

And yes I did beat one

[raven perch]

They said no new encounters but we know there’s a secret competition

[plain shale]

I think I have 15 heats

[orchid acorn]

^

the heat equivalent has been in the game since EA launch

[acoustic ruin]

and they could also blatantly lie 🤷🏻‍♂️

[raven perch]

This is true!

[orchid acorn]

there just levels of blatantly lying though so temper expectations.

[buoyant matrix]

it's not lying it's surprise mechanics

[orchid acorn]

secret fight was expected anyway
we know we're getting 2 keepsakes at minimum barring the entire ingame stuff being a fakeout which is possible but not likely imo

past that who knows

[acoustic ruin]

a whole new area wiuth untested enemys/boss i would say goes way beyond blatantly 💀

[orchid acorn]

see the issue is your thinking entire region

[acoustic ruin]

thats why its WAY BEYOND not just beyond

[orchid acorn]

entire boss untested toes the line but i mean its at least believable

[plain shale]

Well I’m at Oceanus right now and just unlocked the surface

[plain shale]

I don’t have thalmus yet for the spell for the surface

[orchid acorn]

visit chaos in the underworld he will gift you a seed to make it

[plain shale]

Thanks brother

[plain shale]

He didn’t gift any so do o have to give hector

[vapid bluff]

you have to go through the dialogue pool i think

give it a little bit and it'll come up

[orchid acorn]

theres different levels of dialogue and if they are the same priority level its shuffled

eventually chaos will give you their seed

[plain shale]

Thanks brother

[acoustic ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-marvel-avengers-gif-14328153

[oak ivy]

who's hector? 😭

[plain shale]

Dang autocorrect

[acoustic ruin]

the janitor, employed by chaos

[oak ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-season6-hector-salamanca-the-twins-nacho-varga-gif-25517007

hector salamanca!!

[elfin forge]

His, confirmed male

[raven perch]

Hector of Troy

[oak ivy]

have you seen breaking bad, meow?

[raven perch]

No

[oak ivy]

ah, that's a shame!

[raven perch]

I know 😔

[acoustic ruin]

why did my brain go from "mel gets gifted a tiny wooden horse with a tiny chronos clone inside" to "mel traps chronos in a small plushy kind of form and the cute looking plushy has the biggest foul mouth ever"

[crude dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/archer-you-what-huh-gif-19676334

[normal mountain]

Has eris been nurfed????!

[raven perch]

No she’s just really easy

[vapid bluff]

unrivaled might have been nerfed but i cant say for sure

[normal mountain]

And probably because I'm not doing high fear runs as I've just started a new save ready for V1... I just breezed past her like she was nothing lol

[vapid bluff]

oh, well that'll explain it hahaha

normal eris has generally been pretty easy

people used to crutch her fight with hestia sprint, now that hestia sprint got shot dead in the bronx they learned to dodge properly haha

[buoyant matrix]

eris is a boss that's super easy without fear but becomes a tumor with certain vows on

[normal mountain]

Firewalk was so OP.

[crude dragon]

Fire Walk was her old Legendary

You mean Soot Sprint

[normal mountain]

Yeh the old firwalk was op

I don't like the new one.

[buoyant matrix]

i think they just gave up on her legendary

[crude dragon]

The fact that it got turned into her current sprint, as is, really makes me think it was dogwater

[normal mountain]

eh?

nah it was pretty OP, I think they nurfed it cause they can.

[covert valve]

Lmao, I just had Frinos block a shot from Chronos, who was rather annoyed, because he asked me in said annoyed tone: What is this...Frog?!

[crude dragon]

Reasonably sure that the only way Fire Walk got anywhere near "OP" was through the Slow Cooker bug

[normal mountain]

Frinos blocked hecetes hex and said "That wasn't meant for you"

[crude dragon]

Which is more of a testament to the Slow Cooker bug than the boon itself

[normal mountain]

didn't even realise there was a slow cooker bug.

[orchid acorn]

not anymore

[crude dragon]

Back before Unseen, Slow Cooker applied its base damage increase to everything

[normal mountain]

I knew they catch it at some point.

ah right

explains why hestia's scorch mechanic was so OP

[vapid bluff]

Was?

[normal mountain]

I used to think it was too strong for some reason but then I reasond.... well, it's fire... and fire is pretty damaging itself

[orchid acorn]

hestias scorch was mid pre unseen

unseen is when it got strong

and unseen fixed the slow cooker bug

[normal mountain]

nah they slight nurfed it in the patch notes..... didnt they?

[orchid acorn]

there was never a point of time where scorch was OP and the slow cooker bug existed at the same time

[crude dragon]

No, they made Scorch count as Olympian damage and also increased the tick rate

[orchid acorn]

im fairly sure the tickrate was always 1/6

[normal mountain]

I swear somewhere in patch notes of an update they said they slight decreased scorches damage???

[orchid acorn]

yes, they did

[crude dragon]

They removed the Air Quality interaction, but that's a bit less important than those other two

[vapid bluff]

They changed the cap or something didn't they

[orchid acorn]

but that was after the bug was fixed

[indigo cypress]

They decreased the amount of scorch applied not the tick rate

[crude dragon]

It went from 80/tick to 100/tick

[orchid acorn]

thats...not what the tickrate is

[normal mountain]

What update was this? the unseen?

[orchid acorn]

unseen has had 3 patches

unseen launch(fixed slow cooker bug, buffed scorch)

[polar abyss]

· Hestia: Increased damage rate of her Scorch Curse; fixed Scorch not counting as a damaging effect from Olympians, for interactions with Boons such as Rallying Cry (Ares)
· Flame Flourish (Hestia): increased Scorch damage
· Heat Rush (Hestia): reworked — now leaves a damaging trail, and reduces damage you take from burning
· Burnt Offering (Hestia): cut from game; replaced with...
· Snuffed Candle (Hestia): new! Deal bonus damage to isolated foes; previously Single Elimination (Ares)
· Fire Walk (Hestia): cut from game; replaced with...
· Fire Away (Hestia): new Legendary! Your Casts destroy many foes' ranged shots and inflict Scorch

This is the Hestia stuff, along with a buff to Thermal Dynamics in the same patch

This was Patch 9

[orchid acorn]

should be more buffs in the bugfix section

[normal mountain]

ah right. fair enough.

[limpid oar]

guys look how many devs are on, what if they decide to treat us and release the game early?

[raven perch]

Why

[polar abyss]

No, the other thing listed in Patch 9 for Hestia was the Slow Cooker fix

[orchid acorn]

i prefer to be pessimistic

they all are online cause they just found a gamebreaking bug and are delaying the release until 2026

[indigo cypress]

Please no I'm seeing Demon Slayer today 🙏

[limpid oar]

become Time Slayer instead

[normal mountain]

doubt it. - I don't mind waiting a few more days. no bother.

[gentle hearth]

any of those patch notes for 1.0 ?

[orchid acorn]

not until 1.0

[gentle hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/的9-gif-12565004940729182637

[orchid acorn]

trust me brother i feel you

[crude dragon]

No, that was just the previous major update

[orchid acorn]

i am fiending to see what changed balance wise

[crude dragon]

The one that added the hidden aspects and Vow of Rivals

[polar abyss]

Then in Patch 10, they hit like… nearly all of her core boons. Flame Flourish, Flame Strike, Heat Rush, and Scorch itself all got slightly nerfed.

[limpid oar]

I heard they are going to make the wait for Toula to spawn in a bit longer to better reflect just how eepy she is

[normal mountain]

I'm just trying to think what will happen to cronos after we defeat him properly.

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-fuzz-shame-gif-26273082

[limpid oar]

@lilac Pronto is threatening to shoot me help

[crude dragon]

You camp nightmare or camp time loop?

[orchid acorn]

lilac can't help you, she can't even help herself

[crude dragon]

Or some other camp?

[normal mountain]

no idea what that means? lol

[acoustic ruin]

she beats bosses in under 10 minutes in Silksong so she can indeed help herself virtually

[oak ivy]

stop spreading misinfo!!!!

[limpid oar]

I sometimes beat Hecate in under 5 minutes

[indigo cypress]

Doesn't Lilac live in Canada w actual gun control law, no chance vs Pronto in US 🦅

[oak ivy]

I have an idea: just shoot yourself first so pronto doesn't get the satisfaction!!!

[orchid acorn]

PERSONA

[oak ivy]

lmaooo 😭

[crude dragon]

Theories about how the post-game might work lore-wise. Like, will Chronos and Typhon get put in a nightmare that Mel invades, do they get put in a time loop, or something else entirely?

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/persona-persona3-minato-arisato-makoto-yuki-battle-gif-17813346

[acoustic ruin]

well but on the flip side of that, pronto has a higher chance of catching a random stray bullet than lilac

[limpid oar]

Hypnos wakes up and tells Mel all this has been a dream, there is no h2, in the credits they reveal Pyre 2

[oak ivy]

exactly! my life expectancy is higher on overage than Pronto's because of my healthy eating habits too. I'll easily outlive Pronto

[orchid acorn]

you're also female so thats a buff

don't they live longer than men

[acoustic ruin]

but only regional

[devout abyss]

not if i'm around

[crude dragon]

Mel wakes up on a cart, Hypnos is sitting across from her

"Hey, you. You're finally awake"

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/conan-wine-tasting-awesome-gif-5064269528697559639

[oak ivy]

I feel like that statistics is mainly skewed because men get themselves in stupid dangerous situations more often 😭

[devout abyss]

how tf is hades 2 actually coming out

[orchid acorn]

nice lets team up and lower the average life expectency of women

[limpid oar]

that's not a bug that's a feature

[orchid acorn]

they have had it too good for too long

[granite mauve]

first we got in the blood, then in the darkness, and finally in the credits

[oak ivy]

uh-huh, sure 😭

[devout abyss]

i wonder if men or women have a higher average fear clear

well i guess it's women because melinoe is a woman

[crude dragon]

True!

[oak ivy]

checkmate!

[granite mauve]

bisexuals have the highest

[devout abyss]

i dont know if those are equal

[crude dragon]

But men have the highest Heat clear

[oak ivy]

straight women are unironically the most oppressed group now 😔

[acoustic ruin]

but defeating heat is easy, overcoming fear not so much!

[proper lake]

as a bisexual can confirm

[devout abyss]

i love getting my hands dirty

[granite mauve]

good straight people are boring 🥱

[oak ivy]

I am like literally the most interesting person on this server!!

[indigo cypress]

Idek how many women are active in this server: like only ppl I can think of off the top of my head are me, lilac and yum bc we had a convo ab it

[acoustic ruin]

no curves? pathetic, too streamlined, extreme danger to just nap while driving!

[orchid acorn]

thats why i don't wash so im alwys dirty

[acoustic ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/purple-guy-lore-gif-24356620

[devout abyss]

women dont need to use discord to be afraid

[normal mountain]

I think that mel will defeat him and she'll trap him a little glass box that he won't be able to escape from at all because she'll do some incantation and magically locks it. - every time you do an underworld run, she'll unlock that box, only to then defeat him for jokes and then she'll lock it again. - so basically cronos becomes her plaything to fight and defeat at her convivence.

[devout abyss]

not when i'm around, at least

opkayim gonna stop with the scaring women thing

[acoustic ruin]

"Chronos i choose you"

[orchid acorn]

but you wont stop scaring them right

[devout abyss]

im not gonna stop scaring women im just gonna stop telling people i do it

[orchid acorn]

nice

[oak ivy]

😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[devout abyss]

@oak ivy BOO

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-predator-arnie-bro-we-got-this-gif-19287108

[oak ivy]

LMAO WHAT IS THIS why do you have a hivemind

[devout abyss]

never stop doing what u love

[acoustic ruin]

thats why im breathing

[indigo cypress]

. . . patriarchy?

[oak ivy]

breathing? 80 rosaries!!!!

[indigo cypress]

Misogyny?

[orchid acorn]

free

[devout abyss]

im not upholding the patriarchy by scaring women

[indigo cypress]

Ykw who am I to judge male culture

[devout abyss]

a woman i think

[oak ivy]

you're empowering women to learn to stand up for themselves, good good

[devout abyss]

yep,

[orchid acorn]

gotta be standing so i can push them down again after all

[devout abyss]

hey. never lay your hands on a woman

[orchid acorn]

your right my bad

gotta be standing so i can kick them down again

[granite mauve]

chasing women at night to help them build stamina and get home faster so they can get 8 hours of sleep

[devout abyss]

all i do is say boo and hide around corners and make incredibly accurate predictions about their near future

[oak ivy]

that's so cool !!

make a prediction about me 😊

[acoustic ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/crystal-ball-crowley-david-tennant-good-omens-psychic-gif-3436909361193405344

[orchid acorn]

its all cool until you wake up in the middle of the night to ry outside your window "your cycle is coming"

[devout abyss]

minor emergency doctor's visit, 5 months

[oak ivy]

oh damn....

[devout abyss]

upper body

[acoustic ruin]

not my bike driving by itself 💀

[orchid acorn]

wtf is a minor emergency

[devout abyss]

it's an emergency but not life-threatening

[indigo cypress]

Have u never been to urgent care Pronto 💀

[devout abyss]

but if you don't deal with it in an emergent fashion then u will be in trouble

[oak ivy]

probably my head... been having a bunch of headaches recently 😔

[orchid acorn]

no im a male from america

im either dying or i sleep it off

[ashen reef]

I was just using Nexus Rush for the first time in a long time and was struggling to get it to trigger. It seems it has an unlisted 0.2 second cooldown, but I was dashing into enemies and away from enemies without luck. Does it only happen when you dash THROUGH an enemy?

[devout abyss]

no permanent damage but you can't ignore it or treat it at home

[orchid acorn]

source : i went into DKA and was in the ICU for a week

[acoustic ruin]

depends on the country i believe? america would be an arrow in your chest to cover the medical costs of a minor thing. Europe and the rest would be a chest pain? 🤔

[devout abyss]

donkey kong academy????

[indigo cypress]

Oh Lilac is def outliving you

[oak ivy]

what do these acronyms mean?

[devout abyss]

pronto is a professor at donkey kong academy

[oak ivy]

I see you??? (ICU?)

[devout abyss]

what an ape..................

[orchid acorn]

diabetic keto-acedosis

intensive care unit

the hosptials "oh f-" zone

[devout abyss]

good song

[orchid acorn]

tldr my body was eating itself or something

[devout abyss]

wait wdym you see me thats scary

[oak ivy]

oh jeez 💔 okay I will never make a joke about you ever again

[acoustic ruin]

lilac scared ry they learn so fast 😭

[indigo cypress]

Lilac is turning the tables

[oak ivy]

lmaooo

[devout abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/pikmin-low-tier-god-ltg-mods-crush-his-skull-carry-that-guy-back-to-the-onion-gif-9544187413703686913

[oak ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/pikmin-gif-17607979688846340675

[orchid acorn]

https://imgur.com/luEq0Q7

[buoyant matrix]

type 1 diabetes or something else?

[granite mauve]

did the satyrs play pikmin with Chronos body parts

[devout abyss]

pronto has donkey kong disease oh hell nah

[orchid acorn]

yes welcome to how i found out i was a type 1 diabetic at like 22

[buoyant matrix]

what 😭

[devout abyss]

donkey kong affliction

[oak ivy]

DKA

[buoyant matrix]

good god that's really old??

[granite mauve]

alright satyr #243 take his head to the pool of titan blood

[orchid acorn]

right?

your telling me

[oak ivy]

you're still alive, that's good!!

[orchid acorn]

i was infront of our open fridge in a chair drinking infinite gatoraid cause i could not stop being thirsty

[devout abyss]

granma

[orchid acorn]

then i woke up getting dragged out of my dads pickup truck at the ER

w people asking if i did any drugs

(i didn't)

[devout abyss]

did you

[buoyant matrix]

he just said he didn't

[oak ivy]

did you?

[buoyant matrix]

😳

[devout abyss]

so what

[orchid acorn]

anyway yeah thats how i almost died it was peak

[acoustic ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/peak-peak-game-stare-roblox-funny-gif-14204149163935063245

[orchid acorn]

why are all the cute nurses in the ICU

the ones in the ER are ugly

[devout abyss]

?????????????????????????

[oak ivy]

ALL NURSES ARE CUTE

[devout abyss]

untrue

[acoustic ruin]

ayo in one you rush to save lives in the other you mostly wait for them to end, so you tell me

[buoyant matrix]

must be a regional thing 😔

[oak ivy]

Sherma is sort of a nurse by the end of Silksong
Sherma is cute

therefore my theory is correct

[acoustic ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/ordinary-day-school-nurse-gif-12920794

[buoyant matrix]

sherma balls

anyway type 1 diabetes just starting at the age of 22 is statistically insane and i didn't even know it could happen

[oak ivy]

I don't really know a lot about diebetes, but that story sounded crazy

[acoustic ruin]

genetics can give you diabetics at the sound age of like 3-6

[orchid acorn]

i mean. i probably was already diabetic we just didnt know

[buoyant matrix]

oldest my dad has seen was barely above 20

[oak ivy]

raise your hand if you're a perfectly healthy human with no medical issues whatsoever!

[orchid acorn]

i can change that

[oak ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/palla-deserto-desert-hot-gif-6014273

[granite mauve]

[acoustic ruin]

depends if undiagnosed but maybe there stuff and glasses count

[buoyant matrix]

i think i have some borderline subclinical mental issues but other than that hell yeah!! ✋

[oak ivy]

mental health stuff counts!

[sleek oar]

No one is raising their hand

[oak ivy]

I have anxiety too

[orchid acorn]

just stop thinking 4head

[buoyant matrix]

oh that's just a baseline for me now

[buoyant matrix]

i overthink, therefore i over am

[oak ivy]

your status checks out 😔

[oak ivy]

the knight in your pfp is also melting from anxiety 😔

[limpid oar]

that knight looks pretty hollow to me tbh

[buoyant matrix]

oh no that's just wet paint actually!

[oak ivy]

oh neat

[oak ivy]

[acoustic ruin]

but the knight atleast founds friends

[sleek oar]

Pizza’s bio has also been really funny to me, like yes king me too

[orchid acorn]

people actually read bios? 😔

[oak ivy]

I do sometimes

[sleek oar]

I mwan it is right there

If you click on someones profile

[acoustic ruin]

how else are we gonna stalk without being too noisy ?

[little frost]

if someone annoys me too much I peep the bio 🔥 💪

or it gets mentioned by someone else

[oak ivy]

speaking of, your bio makes no sense 😭

[little frost]

okay

[sour flower]

90 runs in and scylla just debuts a new song, thats incredible

[oak ivy]

but I like foxes so that's okay

[acoustic ruin]

well she might have more in 1.0 who knows

[little frost]

why should it make sense would be my question

[sour flower]

that would make me so happy

[orchid acorn]

we're getting 1 song at best from epilogue

[vapid bluff]

I got mental and physical disorders 🎊 🎊

[orchid acorn]

and even then im unsure if thats happening

[oak ivy]

yeah okay..

[little frost]

sgg likes their outro credits songs tbf

[vapid bluff]

Do ya think scylla and co will sing the outro

[oak ivy]

I love the outro pyre song ❤️

[little frost]

randos on discord deserve to learn NOTHING about me smh smh

[vapid bluff]

[oak ivy]

I am not a rando 🥺

[little frost]

sorry

[sleek oar]

I know you like foxes and boxes

[sour flower]

hey lilac are you the one who was telling me excellence is not that good

[little frost]

randos and non randos alike*

[oak ivy]

yes! lots of people say that though

[little frost]

you could find many a person to say that lol

[acoustic ruin]

indeed, she is the 10 min Boss slaying goddes of SilkSong and archnemesis of Pronto 🙂‍↕️

[plain shale]

Letsgoooo

[sour flower]

was just wondering how come you dont think its worth simply for the rare boons? feels like ever since i took it off i only get common boons 😭 is it simply cause of how expensive it is?

[little frost]

dare I say foxes within boxes even

[plain shale]

I got the chaotic flower

[buoyant matrix]

it's in my bingo board!

[oak ivy]

because rare boons barely make a difference compared to common ones unfortunately.... and excellence is like 5 grasp, you can get other useful cards instead that will help you a lot more

common boons aren't that bad!!

[little frost]

yeah 5 grasp is tough to justify more rares and most boons you don't really need big rarities outside of core build boons which you can ratify with a keepsake

[vapid bluff]

Yeah, for high fear runs youre likely to take at least 1 in void, that's 18 total points to work with, excellence is so not worth in that case. Also youre likely to take hubris which makes u prime mana for boons above common anyway so might as well not take excellence.

Even with 30 psyche there's still a lot of nice combos you can get with 5 points

[buoyant matrix]

it's an opportunity cost, you're spending FIVE grasp, a whole ONE SIXTH of your grasp, that you could've used to take better cards

[sour flower]

hmmm guess its just the gamer in me that hates common stuff if theres a rarity system lol

[oak ivy]

see, everyone says excellence is bad haha

[buoyant matrix]

also this is wrong void isn't taken until above 62 fear

[little frost]

my ass is NOT taking void for high fear until past 62 unless I find r4 to be too much

even then idk

[vapid bluff]

My ass that takes 1 void every time: O.o

[oak ivy]

I get it! it's common sense to like rare boons more (no pun intended!!!) but it's not that big of a deal in this game yeah

[sour flower]

damn ONE point in void leaves you with 18 grasp?? thats crazy

[vapid bluff]

Yeah dude it's horrific. Void 2 is 12 points

Void 4 deactivates your tarot altogether

[acoustic ruin]

is the pun common x rare or am i missing something

[little frost]

and another big thing about excellence is if you win runs with it, you don't need to change cause ppl on discord said to lol

[buoyant matrix]

if you're taking one you may as well take two or three and do a judgement run

[oak ivy]

the pun is "common sense"

[oak ivy]

that's true actually haha

[little frost]

a W is a W at the end of the day

[storm glen]

1.0 drops and blitz damage is halved

[vapid bluff]

Yeah back in the day when strength was super op I still ran dds for my 36 fears

It worked fine for me

Do what you wanna do

[little frost]

same cause toula is sick

I lob my cat

[storm glen]

is toula syill bad

[oak ivy]

no she's great now

[little frost]

nah she'll goated

[vapid bluff]

She's alright I think

[storm glen]

really whatd they do

[little frost]

I can't type well today unfortunately but she gives a flat 80 DD and made her attack faster and more

[vapid bluff]

Oh that's really a big upgrade actually

[storm glen]

are the attacks that worth it

[little frost]

eh

sometimes

[vapid bluff]

Free damage

[idle crater]

they stun, so its great

[vapid bluff]

It ain't a lot but

[little frost]

she's good at cleaning up big rooms if you activate her halfway through

but she does have a max range where she can detect enemies for some reason still

[vapid bluff]

What the hell, friendship ended with frinos, toula is my new best friend

[twin apex]

real ones know the best course is max void, crystal figurine in erebus, hit judgement, then win at gambling

[orchid acorn]

shes usable now

[acoustic ruin]

you all had a friendship with the green glob 💀

[little frost]

and really the big thing is the 80 hp tbh that helps her usability more

[vapid bluff]

Don't talk crap about the best frog of all time!!

He eats the hecate polymorph!!!

[sleek oar]

No toula, no frinos, live laugh love raki

[vapid bluff]

Does anybody run hecuba though

[acoustic ruin]

just dodge it ?

[vapid bluff]

I have no memory of what she does actually

[orchid acorn]

She went from like 4 attacks > 10 attacks that deal 99 damage
Doesn't stop attacking until all 10 attacks are used or there are literally no enemies on screen
no longer stops attacking if her current target dies, instead retargets closest enemy for each attack
death defiance is now 80hp, not 40
the attacks can't miss anymore(but still can target useless enemies like hecate clones or invulnerable enemies)

[vapid bluff]

Impossible, billions must sheep

[little frost]

max magick and a pseudo magick regen early on

[orchid acorn]

the only major flaw she currently has is that you still need to run over her, and she spawns in the room on a 2~ second delay

if you could instantly activate toula shes be goated

[little frost]

true

[orchid acorn]

or just spawned in the center of the room intead of at the room entrance

the fact she spawns at the item reward in mourning fields makes her actually amazing

[buoyant matrix]

for magick heavy aspects yeah

[vapid bluff]

The gato skips the fishing minigame so I'll never disrespect her just for that

[sour flower]

just spawn within x meters of melinoe imo

[orchid acorn]

thats also a solution but can still have the same issue as currently spawning in dead zones

the center of the room is basically never a deadzone and its where your going to go anyway, and is always equal distance

[vapid bluff]

I mean the minigame is super easy now but I'll never forget the earlier version of the fishing minigame...

[idle crater]

hecuba is also nice when you have flood gain, because if you accidently use magick while its on cooldown you can still restore it with hecuba's magick balls

[vapid bluff]

Her what?!

[idle crater]

istg

[sour flower]

yeah so i was in a situation like this once but hecuba is a total troll and only spawns magick orbs when i have reliable magick regen in my build, and never when i dont 😒

[orchid acorn]

hecuba has so many things wrong with her but she has staunch defenders man 😔

[little frost]

she digs them up when you're like less than half magick maybe? idk I've only ran toula for the last many months

[orchid acorn]

Hp and magick only spawns when you are low on those respective resources yeah

[sour flower]

eh i like her, but she'll never beat raki or toula for me

[orchid acorn]

if hecuba had like a 50% chance to spawn some food each room or something once i'd be interested

but now its like "unless you are literally dying, get nothing"

[twin apex]

give hecuba a 50% chance to spawn a magick restoration orb ||every frame||

[idle crater]

i think thats too far in the other direction

[orchid acorn]

and the food can only spawn once

(per room)

[sour flower]

they need to get you on the dev team rn

[orchid acorn]

presumably to prevent stall farming for hp

[orchid acorn]

its 10hp bro

if 10hp healed per room 50% of the time total is too far then god help half the sustain boons in the game

[vapid bluff]

While we're at it, make consuming the balls oneshot every enemy on screen too

[twin apex]

for my next trick, i will increase the hitbox size of frinos by 10000%

[orchid acorn]

hey you must be the guy responsible for light smite, big fan

[little frost]

what's the chaos regen numbers? like 10-20 hp at least depending on rarity

[orchid acorn]

10-24 iirc

[sour flower]

at this point just give hecuba a 20% chance to dig up athena and SHE can one shot everything in the room

[orchid acorn]

Common: 3–4
Rare: 9–12
Epic: 15–20
Heroic: 21–28

[little frost]

yeah and you can just pick that up from chaos at like rare and cruise through the run

[orchid acorn]

those number are from the wiki and seem off for common>rare

like no shot it jumps that much

but its consistent so maybe

[orchid acorn]

the difference is that its EVERY room for chaos no matter what

hecuba would require combat

[little frost]

point is there are way stronger sustain boons in the game than 5 hp/room on average

that's just like an extra wayward

[orchid acorn]

idk i just have a lot of issues with hecuba in general. the stun is useless vs bosses and basically useless in normal rooms. the healing only spawns at low hp. magick is useless for like 60% of weapons if not more thats lowballing imo. Its good for the aspects that really want magick, especially with the addition of stuff like shiva

but she serves the purpose as a magick pet so i guess i can't be too mad

[little frost]

I thought the stun bark was gonna be so good and then I saw it in game and was like

wowza

[orchid acorn]

it doesn't even do damage bro 🥀

like imagine if it stunned the whole room of non boss mobs for 2 seconds every 10 seconds or something

[little frost]

bigger aoe would be cool too yeah

[orchid acorn]

imagine if it just did an aoe 20 damage bark in like base axe omega attack range

doesn't do mcuh but can kill smaller mobs like fish or spinners or pop wards

imagine if it did ANYTHING to bosses

hecuba exists to give +60 magick

its like worse frinos, cause blocking projectiles is at least useful he only has the useless stomp

[little frost]

and now especially with the humble silver wheel existing

obv that's 1/4 of your keepsakes but like

it's there if you need it

[elder prism]

I'm really excited for Hades 2 in 10 days

[granite mauve]

what if Chronos traps us in stasis 5 minutes before it comes out

[little frost]

then we'll have mel to save us

[orchid acorn]

https://preview.redd.it/wu3ow65wp9pf1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=4b058941a5ee3cb4f625a7e282776517506db17e

[polar abyss]

I think the problem is that Hecuba has the same problem as Unseen, but is a bit better than Unseen, in that it should replace a Gain boon, but it also replaces something else more valuable than a Gain boon.

[little frost]

where tf do you get these so fast

[orchid acorn]

im terminally online i am like an ai that is designed to find sh-posts

[granite mauve]

edit one of dekus eyes to be red

[polar abyss]

“im terminally online i am like an ai that is designed to find sh-posts”