h2-discussion

[orchid acorn]

i don't see why they would be using a nintendo switch building running pre unseen balance patch though

that would put the build data at like 4+ months ago

[fathom lake]

budget or hope idk

Just please dont nerf heph :(

[orchid acorn]

i mean they could just be using stock footage and lying about the "ALL FOOTAGE ON NINTENDO SWITCH 2"

[scenic jungle]

Budget so bad you cant even open obs to get footage 😭

[orchid acorn]

its crazy other cutscenes don't have damage numbers though :sob

[grizzled flint]

But then again, why would they. Not much work to get new footage

[fathom lake]

iTS NoT A HePh NeRf PlEassSsSSsssSEeEEEEEE

[scenic jungle]

The copium high

[orchid acorn]

also am i going insane

[scenic jungle]

I do wonder if any boons got reworked

[orchid acorn]

i swear i saw a persephone aspect scene but im not seeing itn ow

did i just copium myself into thinking nobody will use omega special on regualr mel skull

[scenic jungle]

Im p sure nintendos version and sgg upload use different shots

So that might be why

[orchid acorn]

wait your actally right

[scenic jungle]

At least in the direct they did that voice over segment

[orchid acorn]

ok its still not mom skull there tho

[grizzled flint]

Probably. Now and again, I remember Aphrodites Life Affirmation boon. I miss it 🙁

[orchid acorn]

that mel skull ospecial distance looks far af

maybe a buff there?

nah comparing it looks somewhat similar and i cba to go into mourning fields

this shot is so baity it looks like you can bring nem as like a companion to fight alongisde you or something 😭 https://imgur.com/HtdE9Fe

[grizzled flint]

I think it just looks like that cause of the screen shake

[orchid acorn]

new players gonna load in and get hit with this https://i.ytimg.com/vi/zHkT-sMn79s/maxresdefault.jpg

[haughty hill]

imagine if that was the companion equivalent for the game though

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/blackbeard-blackbeard-writing-taking-notes-writing-gif-17583038544116987898

[haughty hill]

it didn't deter the EA thirstposters it won't deter 1.0 ones 😔

[orchid acorn]

found a full shot

toula supremacy as per usual

https://imgur.com/P1CNPUr

[scenic jungle]

Toula rise up

[orchid acorn]

gale and hecuba really got jack nothing except like 1 pillow 😭

meanwhile the other 3 got fully fleshed out stuff

the mouse plush toys 😭

interestingly moros is the only non mel aspect shown in both trailers as far as i can see 🤔

[scenic jungle]

I wonder if that means some mightve got tweaked and they chose not to show them? Or maybe its because they just want to show the more normal move sets

[orchid acorn]

they have damage numbers turned off for like 90% of shots

so i mean maybe

[scenic jungle]

Another 4 buffs to coat

[orchid acorn]

https://imgur.com/UrgFfWt is this charon i can't tell

idk what else would do that triple explosion effect

wait charon doesn't do that

thats just base axe o-special im stupid

[scenic jungle]

I think its mel axe

[orchid acorn]

https://imgur.com/ZrpcjII yeah its mel axe i just forgot axe has ospecial when not playing charon lmfao

[grizzled flint]

fair

[mossy kernel]

Mel: I wish I could see my family again 🥺

Nem:

https://tenor.com/view/mj-michael-jordan-bulls-chicago-gif-21085992

[kindred shard]

Im crying hecuba just went from ground to ground 2 😭

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/filthy-frank-know-your-place-implicit-gif-26537479

[humble urchin]

Pronto are you already having feedback withdrawals?

[orchid acorn]

looking closer it has little bone artwork now i guess

[kindred shard]

Yeah

[orchid acorn]

https://imgur.com/6pUSu9u

so its like a little circle cloth

still not as detailed or good as the previous 3

but its something ig

it being the exact same color as the ground is bad lmao

[kindred shard]

Gale has a mel plush

[humble urchin]

maybe you progressively upgrade it? like it’s over multiple purchases of decoration

[haughty hill]

y'know that picture really puts into perspective how big frinos is

dog-sized frog

bigger, even

[orchid acorn]

https://imgur.com/xcYqkpu
is that a mel plush or just pillows that happen to form a similar shape of her hair

[kindred shard]

It is

[haughty hill]

the wreath's in it, that's mel

[humble urchin]

he’s a chonky boi

[kindred shard]

And the little moon

[orchid acorn]

https://imgur.com/hPlrPC4 yeah your right

[kindred shard]

If he stretched his legs hes nearly mel height

[orchid acorn]

yeah im chillin i put in my last feedback for artemis chances as my dying word

praying some modifications happened

[half mango]

guys help there are too many good games coming out

between BL4, Skong, and Hades 2 I physically do not have enough time for all my games 😭

[fathom lake]

Unbeatable! 🔥 🎸 🗣️

[mossy kernel]

A Mel plush for Gale? That polecat is making muffins on that thing every night it stays home

[mossy kernel]

MOOD! I’m still trying to get through my back log as well 😭

Like I promised myself to replay TW3 this year so it’s fresh in my memory when TW4 drops. I don’t have time!

What I wouldn’t give to be in school again. That free time will never be the same

[hybrid gulch]

ok so a while back I mentioned you can listen to every bit of audio from H1 using a tool and I couldn't remember the tool (or the file). I randomly got the urge to check that out for H2 this morning, so if anyone is curious and wants to check out isolated dialogue audio (for whatever purpose) you can find literally all of it in these ".fsb" files in the game folder, which can be opened easily with foobar2000. Just thought I'd share for those who enjoy sleuthing through game files.

[kindred shard]

YESSSSSSSS BLAHHHHH

[vast coyote]

I got Pyro Technique and Freezer Burn, anything else I need from Hestia?

[empty abyss]

moderation is key. Make time.

[vast coyote]

Have you taken sleep out of your schedule? I hear that helps

[empty abyss]

Batman method: Take 20min power nap every 40 minutes to recharge yourseld

(Youll die doing this btw)

[crude dragon]

Nah, now you just pom up your Scorch applicator so it can stack it

Thermal Dynamics would also be great if you've got a free space for Blitz, but you've got the engine revved up anyways

[vast coyote]

Bet, thanks!

[fierce jasper]

i open discord and see that hades 2 is gonna full release soon

peak.

[hearty timber]

Sorry for the necro but this build just won me 32 fear on surface. If you get Poseidon legendary + ares duo it's true gg

[vast coyote]

I was not expecting Chronos for Rivals Typhon fight, I'm cooked

[fierce jasper]

dear god WHAT

well thank god i know abt this in advance before i started doin that😭

[hearty timber]

Chronos in typhon fight is much less aggressive than in his actual fight I think

You just need to play very carefully, so the time vow can be a problem

[fierce jasper]

also just had one of the best builds I’ve ever had and fumbled at prometheus 😭

[halcyon trench]

Yes but u can remove that with a cauldron spell (unless u like it that way)

[haughty hill]

he also has a Lot Of Health

[jovial tide]

It’s been very long since I posted anything here. But I want to post this. In 2020 my two favorite games of that year released after being in Early Access, Cook, Serve, Delicious 3 and Hades. Now the next game from the CSD team Cook, Serve Forever released after being in EA and now Hades 2 will do the same. Funny how both studios share this pattern.

[hearty timber]

Yes 75k hp if i recall correctly without vow

[vast coyote]

There's SO MUCH going on in that fight HOLY

[hearty timber]

That's a huge amount even for the best builds

[haughty hill]

before grit :^)

[hearty timber]

Yesss

[vast coyote]

I'm gonna need to up my dodge game to never before seen levels

[haughty hill]

I think it's actually around 70k, p2 has less than p1 while p3 has more but, yeah lmao

[hearty timber]

Rivals last phase is so annoying ngl

[haughty hill]

unrivaled typhon p1.4 is really really rough

I would genuinely advise shopping around for invuln mechanics

[fathom lake]

YYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[fathom lake]

It was a great jumpscare first time
After a few times i reallly like how it tests your ACTUAL dodge

[hearty timber]

The game was really fun when it launched but it's even better now

[vast coyote]

You're not wrong. I had 6 Poseidon buffed Moon Waters equipped with +3 godsent from Athena and I barely reached the 2nd phase

[jovial tide]

You talking about CSF? Yeah that game greatly improved overtime! CSD3 also had a nice EA period and it released even better too. CSD3 in particular is one of my favorite games ever.

[haughty hill]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJRftMZK4CE&t=290s since I have it handy (do not copy this build glorious disaster is Not Good) here's a timestamped kill if you want to review mechanics (though it also covers the full fight including spoilers which you may want to encounter on your own)

[fathom lake]

Typhon its a genuine fluck your Dps
Are you good at dodging?

[vast coyote]

'Preciate you

[thorn basalt]

Miyazaki would be proud for the feet part

[fathom lake]

Dum DUm Dum duuuuuum dum dum dum duuuuu

Grandpa its not serious not at all

[vast coyote]

Damn Phase 3 looks rough, and you said this build is Not Good? It looks insane, damn.

[haughty hill]

the parts that aren't glorious disaster are good

[vast coyote]

Ahhhhh

[haughty hill]

that build would be good if I was ignoring glorious disaster and just spamming ocasts

[fathom lake]

Glorious disaster would be good if Air Quality was calculated as it should.

[haughty hill]

but like I mean you can see the cast time on GD there-

I mean it's doing a lot of damage it's just that like, you don't need that damage there is nothing in the game that justifies that cast time

[buoyant matrix]

i should've probably put something glorious disaster related on my bingo card

[nocturne dagger]

I hope hades 3 has co-op

[haughty hill]

if hades 3 exists I would be surprised and mildly disappointed

[fathom lake]

I would be dissapointed

[vast coyote]

Yeah, we don't need a Hades 3 this is enough

[dense light]

Hades 3 Silksong

[haughty hill]

h2 is already kinda like

straining at the seams of 'genuinely Too Large' I don't think they can actually do another expansion on the scale of h1->h2

[dense light]

play as arachne

[merry whale]

what are the prereqs for glorious disaster

[buoyant matrix]

prominence flare and a zeus core

[haughty hill]

prominence flare + storm ring is the usual

[dense light]

hmm

[merry whale]

ah i never get prom flare that explains it

[haughty hill]

I think you might need a zeus t2 as well...? I forget

[dense light]

i havent been on h2 in awhile should i practice for full release?

[fathom lake]

I love Hades and Hades 2
But Supergiant its very good at making games and i dont want them to get stuck at that one Good Game that blew in popularity

[buoyant matrix]

yeah prom flare is just denial fodder

[haughty hill]

I mean prom flare's not a bad t2 ever since they fixed it

[merry whale]

prom flare doesn't even poke lucifer balls

[haughty hill]

it's not like apollo's got a tonne of super desirable t2s for cast builds otherwise

[dense light]

im a bit rusty is what im saying LOL and idk what kinda requirements theyre gonna do for true ending

[fathom lake]

Prom Flare buff was actually a GLorious Disaster further nerflmfasodgfgtyhjld

[outer willow]

I took the chaos boon that gets rid of my health for faster attack speed but then i ended up with 6 max health and 1 health

[vast coyote]

Lmao, I've gotten every Legendary except Zeus, based

[buoyant matrix]

endings should be very easy and casual friendly to get

[merry whale]

yea like prom flare's still good to use, just doesn't flow w my playstyle usually

[haughty hill]

you'll need to reclear each route prolly 5-10 times each

epilogue's impossible to guess from here

[fathom lake]

Epilogue its Prometheus Date (trio)

[dense light]

im sure itll be accessible

[hearty timber]

I can see that happen

[dense light]

but i was dog booty when i started and i havent rly done a full run since like july LOL

[buoyant matrix]

hop back in and start with a chill 62 fear run, should warm you up

[dense light]

Bruh no im finna die first enemy

plus ill play hollow knight til the full release of hades 2 comes out

[buoyant matrix]

oh yeah I'm silking it

[dense light]

im not even onto silksong yet im doing og HK

[fathom lake]

Next year with Neverway and Deltarune Chapter 5 will be rough

Oh Gta 6 its there too

i guess

[dense light]

again supergiant needs to higher me for hades 3 where you play as arachne searching for thread

im joking btw they dont need to hire me

keep me far away from the writing room actually

[fathom lake]

Same

[humble urchin]

and then Hornet shows up with the thread arachne is looking for

[fathom lake]

Im making Zagreus and Melinoe the final boss

[dense light]

Hades 3: Silksong when

[fathom lake]

When Deltafell by Toby Radiation Fox its announced

[dense light]

true

[fathom lake]

ture

[vast coyote]

Is Persephone Revaal good btw? Cuz I'm hunting for resources for it

[dense light]

I have yet to use the hidden aspects

[tulip comet]

What is coming in 1.0?

[humble urchin]

it’s definitely playable, but it’s really dependent on having the aspect leveled up first

[buoyant matrix]

yes

[dense light]

im gonna be honest i dont have much motivation to play fear when you can just endlessly buy the one thing it gives you

[fathom lake]

2-3 Keepsakes
Zagreus (mostlikely)
More Dialogue
Story Epilogue
2-4 more songs
Underworld and Surface Zone after Guardian
etc-ish

[humble urchin]

the biggest thing is the ending and all the remaining story elements, you can also expect some balancing. there’s also atleast 2 keepsakes that should come. anything other than that is pure speculation

[dense light]

besides bragging rights

[vast coyote]

Oh glad to hear, I got plenty of Nightmare saved up, just need enough damn Poppies

[maiden salmon]

2 new keepsakes?

[humble urchin]

it’s mostly a self imposed challenge (or if you wanna speed up upgrading aspects) and some cool cosmetics(skelly statues) up to a certain degree

it’s definitely not mandatory to do

[fathom lake]

Persephone its good at level 0 ngl

[dense light]

oh i know i was just saying

[fathom lake]

Special makes you impervious And can last +3seg more

[dense light]

i feel like fear shouldn't be mandatory but idk i still dont have much motivation to do it really which i feel like i should

like i adore hades and maybe im a casual

but idk if i had the proper motivation i'd really love to learn the game

[humble urchin]

Hades and Hypnos, since you can gift them nectar in gamec which has been exclusively kept to “keepsake givers”

[fathom lake]

Fear its a lot more Fair than in Hades 1
But Fair Enough

[haughty hill]

there are leaderboards kept for high fear if that counts

[dense light]

hmm okay

[humble urchin]

i’d say try on some of the fears and see if you enjoy the extra challenge. don’t feel pressured if you don’t like it though

[haughty hill]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/

[vast coyote]

Don't be hard on yourself, you don't have to do it if you don't wanna just enjoy the game how you wanna play it

[haughty hill]

I think turning fangs, specifically, on just makes the game more fun in basically all cases

and that + like time 1 can get you a fair few early testaments

[humble urchin]

i personally enjoy it. by now, at 0 fear i feel like i could do anything and win with minimal effort. Fear makes me always on edge, always improving (and failing lol)

[merry whale]

tbh doing high fear naturally starts to set in what boons are actually good or bad

[dense light]

i cant do the time one i get too stressed out being on a time limit lol

[merry whale]

lmao fair

i think time 2 is like the safest time vow tbh

time 0 or 1 and it becomes what kinda build u making

[dense light]

how time is supposed to be done unless ur doing like whatever the h2 equivalent of a nuke builld is beyond me

[vast coyote]

This pretty much

[dense light]

well the easier ones arent bad but like the one with the lowest time given just sucks

i did it but it sucks LOL

[merry whale]

uhhh honestly it's mainly knowing how to get super good room clears while knowing how to build towards a win

[sterile carbon]

How did you dig this one up 2 months afterwards happy to hear the build is still GOATed, definitely my favorite so far

[merry whale]

erebus sucks tho 11 rooms of near rampant 3 wavers, at least skips are plenty but sometimes u'll get screwed by time

oceanus and fields tend to be fast tho, big nice

[hearty timber]

I was doing skull 32 fear and was searching for builds in the chat 😭

[tulip comet]

Ty

[vast coyote]

How do you unlock Hel's waking phrase?

[hearty timber]

You talk to Medea I think

[humble urchin]

just like all other hidden aspects

you need to unlock the 3 aspects, max one of them, and then talking to medea will unlock it

[vast coyote]

Gotcha, thanks.

[humble urchin]

for the hidden aspects, the name of the npc of the second aspect in the menu is the one that holds the phrase

[hearty timber]

Yeah, although Medea did yap about other things the first few times I went to her before I got the phrase

[humble urchin]

yeah there’s a dialogue priority queue

so it might not be the first time you talk to said npc, but it will come eventually as long as you meet the other prereqs

[haughty hill]

you just kill things quickly, tbh

there's also tricks like pause buffering

[oak ivy]

timer 2 is not bad honestly! if you just play the game normally you'll find that you usually do things under 7 minutes easily actually

[haughty hill]

speaking personally there are basically only two places in UW that I can possibly run out of time at: unrivaled hecate and unrivaled chronos, outside of that I simply won't time out even if I'm half-assing it, you just kinda Get Used To The Pace

IMO most people don't realise how much time they waste on a normal run and one run where they're actively trying to go fast will put their time well within time 3 bounds, or at least time 2

[oak ivy]

given no hordes and grit? yeah probably!

[haughty hill]

making up for the time wasting vows (though frenzy helps a lot) is where learning what boons and combos are good comes in ye

[polar abyss]

Yeah, Grit and Hordes means that you do need skips, a nuke build, or a whole bunch of DDs to waste for Erebus, and still some time savers elsewhere in UW for Rival Chronos And also Surface is the same but for Mount Olympus instead.

[haughty hill]

olympus can be fine if you bring knucklebones it's just that you still need a pretty hot build and you can get screwed by olympus rng giving you really really bad rooms

also depends how much of a buffer thessaly let you bring in...

erebus is just constructed to cause us pain, though

[marsh spear]

Typhon with Grit is just UUUUUUUGGGGHHHNNNNM

Endless

[oak ivy]

do you play 50+ fear or something 😭

because I do NOT touch grit ever

[haughty hill]

that voice in your head telling you to do grit 3 rivals 4 is satan, yes-

unfortunately he raises some excellent points 😩

[silk field]

Same! Was really frustrating

[marsh spear]

I can't believe we're already here already

Like whoah

A whole job ago

[oak ivy]

what do you mean? what excellent points does your head raise for doing grit 3 😭

[haughty hill]

big purple number

[oak ivy]

ohhh haha

that's the one benefit of Grit I suppose!

[zenith leaf]

hi i have a question, i was interested on buying the game(having played quite a lot of the first one), i was curious if the price would increase on release?(wanted to know so i could buy it now and play it on release or wait for release and buy it then, just in case it gets delayed)

[woeful pelican]

Do we know time of the day when the 1.0 release?

[oak ivy]

it will not increase on release

also it will not get delayed

[vagrant mauve]

What if Zagreus/Melinoe was in Punch out 🤔

[mellow dove]

is the RRP for hades 2 physical in the UK meant to be £66.99 or is that a pricing error?

[orchid acorn]

famous last words of cyberpunk btw

granted entirely different situation, but possible

[orchid acorn]

most likely the exact same time as every other update, so like noon-1pm EST

give or take an hour

[minor pivot]

Hey guys, do you know the music that play in the release trailer music when mel is fighting ?

The drop is insane

[hollow lily]

God I hate my side job

[bright fern]

@minor pivot you mean the music in the switch livestream during that part or the one on sgg's youtube coz theyre different

[polar abyss]

If you are talking about the Switch Livestream, iirc, Olympus Aflame is played during the animated section, and Rock and a Hard Place is played during the in-game section

[hollow lily]

Where tf is Asphodel??? This bit"ch ass mfer chronos stopped teleporting me to Asphodel and that was one lf the cooler game Mechanics

[hollow lily]

Well my runs are usually in the 30 mins soooo

Also, how tf is unrivaled hecate harder for you than rivaled hecate?

[haughty hill]

unrivaled = vow of rivals

that's their actual boss title

Unrivaled Hecate, Unrivaled Strife, Unrivaled Chronos etc.

[hollow lily]

Oh ok that's fair

[haughty hill]

'rivaled' is not an adjective it cannot be used like that, 'unrivaled' is a synonym to 'peerless'

also time 2 is 28 minutes

[minor pivot]

Nah you are the GOAT THANK YOU

[indigo cypress]

Wait Eris is just called Strife and not Eris

Why 💀

[minor pivot]

Thanks for the help, it was indeed olympus aflame !

[haughty hill]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/874854721968541736/1385727791386853476/image.png?ex=68c685d3&is=68c53453&hm=52001d9970cd2bce28bb0430bef344e6031db63a0104192e70694d86c7ddcecc&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=550&height=309

[orchid acorn]

in a casual sense it is actually really cool

[hollow lily]

Eris is strife invarnated soo

[orchid acorn]

i hope 1.0 has us teleport to elysium

[indigo cypress]

Hmm weird

Ig Unrivaled Eris sounds worse to the Fates

[orchid acorn]

can't have that trash caption on the IG

[hollow lily]

Ur 5 inches in Mel and nemesis is 5 inches in you. Which way you movin?

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-doakes-curious-suspicious-questioning-gif-14390669560130901665

[orchid acorn]

..... forward?

where is the downside

its already in my ass so i mean i can't uninch myself

[hollow lily]

That's... Not how it works lmao

[orchid acorn]

wat mel < me < nem

why can i not keep going forward

is this a small pp joke that im out of inches

[tranquil wren]

what are you guys talking about

I wish I could swear

[hollow lily]

Nothing

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/scatter-run-away-runaway-break-gif-20690048

[tranquil wren]

scram

[orchid acorn]

i got to drive to work anyway

[hollow lily]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-dexter-morgan-bay-harbor-butcher-it's-over-dexter-meme-gif-7815920268234567353

[hollow lily]

Wasting time not studying for my exam by doing my delivery driver job

Only issue is. Mfs sint ordering no damn pizzas this late in the night

[orchid acorn]

bye chat enjoy the raki nest https://imgur.com/mfbr3Kv

[hollow lily]

This pisses me off so much. I've literally only unlocked froggo and catto

Dog raven and otter, I've pet them 3 times and they still haven't joined my roster dawg

[waxen lake]

Holy moly

[haughty hill]

you need froge, catte and birb to unlock the other two fwiw

[obtuse prawn]

idk if this is a silly question, but do we know what changes are coming with the official release?

[waxen lake]

Mel and I got married

I'm going to kill myself if all my progress is erased at the end of the early access

[obtuse prawn]

damn, didnt even get to crash the wedding

pretty sure they confirmed it wont be. I just started a new save today. Have 50+ hours in game from a year ago

so much has changed since then

[waxen lake]

I have...96 hours

And complete a lot of stuff...I'll be a complete shame if all of my progress vanished

[obtuse prawn]

"We're very excited to announce that Hades II v1.0 is coming very soon, on September 25, 2025! If you already have the Early Access version, this will be a free automatic update."

It will just be like any update doing EA

[mortal vine]

whats gonna be cheaper for me to buy? Hades 2 in early access or full release?

[haughty hill]

full story and likely the last balance pass

the only thing happening to saves is your void lenses and z-sand will be wiped

[waxen lake]

Early Access

[obtuse prawn]

pretty much what i expected, might aswell start grinding a little earlier. wont get nearly as far as my primary save before release anyway

[mortal vine]

tgank u

[waxen lake]

They say the price might change when it's fully released

[waxen lake]

U need to give them some cookies

Check the cauldron, u can make some

If I recall, Raki is at a fountain in Erebus, Hecuba is with Echo and the otter is at Olympus (In a Charon shop)

[agile needle]

What do yall think about Nyx black coat? Seems just okay at a first glance. A bit of a burst of damage then some aoe

[waxen lake]

When the f I'm supposed to use "in" or "on"

[little oar]

Is it safe to assume that the release gap for the physical edition of the switch is also going to be the release date for the other consoles?

[waxen lake]

.... I'm not sure

[little oar]

The digital version comes out later this month, but the physical comes out sometime in November

And it’s supposed to be a timed switch exclusive

[gloomy acorn]

Did they take out the unable to pause thing at chronos?

[bright fern]

@gloomy acorn yes for the regular fight but its in the rivals version

[sleek oar]

Its possible in rivals too you just need to do an incantation

[gloomy acorn]

So say you're fighting for the fighting chronos for the first time, can you pause?

[dawn linden]

question, is there any kind of bonus you get in Hades 2 for having Hades save data on the same console? like a cosmetic or something. i know some games do that.

[sleek oar]

Nope

[dawn linden]

okay. i am probably going to buy hades 2 on steam but i have the first one on switch so i just wanted to make sure.

[fierce jasper]

same lmao

(except I alr have it)

[orchid acorn]

the only thing changing from your existing save files currently is final boss resources

all of them are being automatically deleted for prestige

you need to win another X times on both routes to do the incantations

[orchid acorn]

regular chronos yes. rivals no.

[supple nymph]

incantations reset too wtf????

[sleek oar]

No

[restive axle]

Wait there restting stuff?

[tranquil wren]

bruh

[supple nymph]

just the final boss resources : vlens zsand

[sleek oar]

He means incantations for vanquishing chronos and typhon

[tranquil wren]

they mean the incantation to finish the game

[restive axle]

NOOOOOOO

[tranquil wren]

you get prestige for them

[orchid acorn]

the incantations to kill typhon and chronos require void lens and z sand. both of those are getting nuked at 1.0

[sleek oar]

Its so you cant just get the ending the second u load up the game again

[orchid acorn]

cause they don't want you to instantly teleport to the epilogue

[supple nymph]

oh the final ending incantation

[orchid acorn]

cause canonically, we haven't won the first time yet afaik

[supple nymph]

if they were gonna reset the reroll incantation i would be so pissed

[orchid acorn]

🙏 save file delete bug at 1.0

all players with a save file in slot 1 are deleted

[supple nymph]

would be hilarious

[orchid acorn]

save slot 2 master race

[tranquil wren]

shrimply back up your save

[orchid acorn]

but yeah the resources are nuked because its the equivalent of hades 1 never beating dad once > talking to the contractor > teleporting to the boat with mom singing IN THE BLOOOOOOD

we need to talk to the gods at olympus and whatever the hell is in zags old room

prob chronos's room atp idk why everyone thinks its zags room and the mirror is just chillin there

bro is just flexing into the mirror of night for fun

[tranquil wren]

is there anything you can do with v lens or z sand currently? (obv excepting the final incantations)

[orchid acorn]

mutliple cosmetics
one of the arcana cards uses it to get level 3, but if you had them already maxed from EA release you didn't have to spend it on that
chronos and typhons fight music
all of chronos's related incantations like the timer pause for rivals and making slowdowns work on him etc

and the reroll incantation

[tranquil wren]

ah okay

[random lark]

This game is hard

Like way harder than 1

[orchid acorn]

press the cast button quite literally every time its off cooldown and it gets much easier

you know its off cooldown if its not on the screen currently

[random lark]

Sorry I replayed it and died at level 2 so

[orchid acorn]

the binding circle has zero animation, zero cooldown(as soon as it expires you can use it again) and is insanely strong

[left gust]

hello i heard that with the switch to v1 ill lose my zodiac sand and should use it, is that true? i think someone on reddit said that

just to be sure

[orchid acorn]

all zodiac sand and v lens's are getting nuked at 1.0 for prestige yes

[random lark]

How much easier is it with God mode at 80 percent compared to 60

[orchid acorn]

20% extra damage resistance.

[fathom lake]

yeah

[orchid acorn]

if you took 100 damage now you only take 20, not 40

[orchid acorn]

General Gameplay
· Notice: In preparation for our v1.0 launch and forthcoming story sequences surrounding the True Ending, please note that any Zodiac Sand or Void Lens resources you have when you load your save progress at that time will automatically be converted to Prestige. For now, you may continue earning these if you wish.
From the last patch notes

[raven perch]

I’ll kill myself

[nocturne zenith]

What gods can appear on the first run of a fresh file?

[nimble inlet]

meow

[fathom lake]

Dyno Bot? yeah no

[raven perch]

Meow

[fathom lake]

How am i supposed to survive until 25th sep

[raven perch]

Play slong

[sleek oar]

Noooo dont kill yourself hahah

[raven perch]

i am sexy

[sleek oar]

So true monarchv

[orchid acorn]

always apollo first
dem pos hestia in any order

aphro requires you to see all 4 above gods and then can spawn in your runs

[fathom lake]

I dont like metroidvanias

[orchid acorn]

zeus is forced after seeing all 5 above gods in your next run starter god

heph is forced after zeus

i think thats the order

[nocturne zenith]

First run only is what I was concerned about ty. Was idly brainstorming possible builds for a fresh file run-1 clear

[orchid acorn]

fresh file runners basically all abuse beach ball, there are a few holdouts like mini who do it bbless

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1051942172255080558/1412185757002764358/image.png?ex=68c68939&is=68c537b9&hm=3a5fb61486e5ceb0b75e56e6af367061a6073aa91e99b6b6e61f9c6295dcdb40&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1376&height=774
example from someone i see in that chat a lot

[nocturne zenith]

NGL I didn't realize beach ball was that highly rated. Would have assumed freezer burn or exceptional talent, maybe warm breeze if there's enough dodge available

[orchid acorn]

can't get aphro to give you wispy wiles

hermes doesn't exist for like 10 runs

zeus doesn't exist but only matters for aphro who you cant have

so your only dodge source would be hot pot

on a 0 arcana run with no death defiances or titan to give you +40 base hp

tldr you would have to highroll out of your mind

[limpid oar]

You can become invincible if you just hit every dodge

[orchid acorn]

the other viable option i've seen is steam or just powering through with special spam

but at that point you're just being a god

example from someone this morning who i just saw posted https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1051942172255080558/1416396189472915507/Hades_II_405.png?ex=68c6b13e&is=68c55fbe&hm=a8a921810fec350e07af2fdf13982be4b6ac8555b357583aaf4e59236146a4cf&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1376&height=774

[fathom lake]

Chronos got jumpscared by Mel

[sleek oar]

Yeah bro just get lucky 🙂‍↕️🙂‍↕️🙂‍↕️

[granite mauve]

if I summon an olympian god in real life will they give me boons

[orchid acorn]

find out

[prisma monolith]

cover your holes if you summon zeus

(probably wont matter)

[marsh spear]

Why do you think i did the summoning for

I should delete that

[fathom lake]

Nuh uh

[tranquil wren]

you are 99% likely to get smote

best hope is to not end up like ixion

[marsh spear]

The guy forever in kinky gear?

[tranquil wren]

lmao the guy strapped to the flaming wheel

I'm assuming that's what you meant

[marsh spear]

Exactly

[tranquil wren]

echo got screwed pretty badly when she was just doing what zeus told her to do

actually are there any stories where someone ended up better? I can only think of pygmalion the sculptor

[neon isle]

perseus maybe

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/march-7th-sus-face-honkai-star-rail-hsr-huh-gif-2747591219625280778

[sleek oar]

Marfch 7th

[granite mauve]

I wonder if Daedalus will show up in 1.0 it's a little strange we've never seen him

[sleek oar]

Bro is mysteryous

Im lowkey comcincerd well never see him

[granite mauve]

we see what he looks like in one of the arcana cards which kind of makes me think he'll show up

[orchid acorn]

bro is retired icarus makes the hammers now

[granite mauve]

bro is old 👴

[sudden thistle]

Why did 1.0 take this long after it was promised a year ago? How did we let Supergiant games get away with this

[sleek oar]

What

Ssnt it always gonna be 2025

[neon isle]

we know what he looks like though

[merry whale]

bro would not have survived silksong

[neon isle]

artificer is him

[sleek oar]

Whatttt

[orchid acorn]

(lowkey i wanted a 2026 release date with like 2 more major updates....)

[neon isle]

https://hades2.wiki.fextralife.com/file/Hades-2/the-artificer-arcana-cards-hades-2-wiki-guide.png
forgive me its fextralife but

[granite mauve]

🥺 same I dont want hades to end

its too much fun

[sleek oar]

Wait hold up why is he and theesuses together

[merry whale]

me when i turn ashes into hammer

[sudden thistle]

Also just found out version 1.0 isn’t on ps5 or Xbox .. this developer is abysmal

[merry whale]

theseus? is that not icarus?

[neon isle]

pooks thats icarus 😭

[sleek oar]

Thats IVARUS???

[neon isle]

he got the wings

[merry whale]

isn't that icarus whole thing

[sleek oar]

Idk

I guess lol

[merry whale]

like one of icarus' key plot points is that he's the kid of daedalus

[neon isle]

but yea idk i think he looks stupid

[granite mauve]

winged apprentice

[neon isle]

not in a design way but in a damn he has no style way

[merry whale]

LOL

[sleek oar]

I didnt finish his sotryyyy ifk

[merry whale]

ahh gotchu

[neon isle]

no because why does he have like. a reverse crop top where his top is out and his belly is covered

and then the... onesie pants?

what is bro cooking

[sleek oar]

Lowkey i saw labyrhtnin and thought theseus

[merry whale]

thessaly but instead of icarus it's theseus

[sleek oar]

New dashion bro trust

And by new i mean ancient greek

[tranquil wren]

who are you i am from ancient greece

[sleek oar]

I am from greece

According to the dna test i took lol

[granite mauve]

0.1% greek

[sleek oar]

20%!!!

[spare fulcrum]

hey, sorry - having a slight hiccup
I can't find Hades 2 for Switch 1 as a physical pre-order?
did I miss some fine print?
and it won't be physical on Switch 1
or am I blind in another way

[merry whale]

iirc it's up for preorder in other shops like best buy rn

physical*

nintendo shop itself only has digital preorder

also switch 2 games that are compatible with switch 1 will simply run as if it were a switch 1 cartridge

[spare fulcrum]

I am not seeing it on Amazon

[merry whale]

https://www.amazon.com/Hades-II-Nintendo-SwitchTM-2-Switch/dp/B0FQXS1YK3?crid=16YS34OYEK9UY&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.glj6oUlBD6X6uWvABUJHFpr77_YdvvIPMAFh58c4k8kLnL5Nh03CHsByEb94DcphuMlaYeyEtftDbQtF0ApIXzeY9FSJ-x1QFjTqINo1j4kwJzGZP7XVHKkj9RcIkZUo8V_c2fX4vbaJ3_NVLGTXWCs2bHS38Wgay_gyi3Pn4Q8yfT_KGRw6alRmZ0a9WbCCZXiTzkWWG0e3z_mmmN6QGxv5B8s6jJtUmixPR-vj1i8.g_pDhxGiKVnA-GsRLJVeo6K6nYOHgGTOq7BckdL2gZU&dib_tag=se&keywords=hades+2&qid=1757799194&sprefix=hades%2Caps%2C230&sr=8-1

[spare fulcrum]

a-ha, I did not know that
don't have a Switch
meaning it as a gift

[granite mauve]

I think the physical copy is a switch 1 version that comes with a switch 2 upgrade

[merry whale]

ahh gotcha

[spare fulcrum]

so, thank you for letting me know

[merry whale]

but yea switch 2 cartridges should just work w switch 1

as long as the game itself is compatible (and hades 2 should be)

[spare fulcrum]

excellent, thank you

I got my copy on Steam during early access - but,
my friend's a console player with an iMac

[merry whale]

oo nice

[spare fulcrum]

Amazon is saying 11/21 for the Arrival
that...
what?
I thought it was releasing on 9/25

is Bezos having an episode
or are the consoles releases staggered?

oh, yeah - physical version is November
not sure what that's about
but, I'm sure there's a reason

thank you for answering my obvious questions -
Return to Shadow, now

[merry whale]

ye i think most games tend to have physical editions release a couple months after digital release

prob for distribution stuffs

[tulip comet]

Only indie games. Very common though

[merry whale]

makes sense ye

[rustic mesa]

Anyone preorder it yet?

[short raft]

What does this thing do again?

[sleek oar]

Make minor reward big

[orchid acorn]

(from your bag)

[pulsar umbra]

Just saw the new 1.0v trailer

Holy cinema

Imagine animated hades series

This cinematic is so well made my god

[dense summit]

helllllllllllllll yeahhh

[granite mauve]

😩 peak!!!!

[dense summit]

I've seen it like 3 times at this point, keeps being reccomended to me on different platforms haha

Wondering wether to continue from the save I've been playing from early access or start anew

Would be nice to keep my progress, but also what if i will miss stuff that way!

[granite mauve]

im making a new file

[wheat rain]

is the base game fully released now, with all the weapons, boons, and other content? I played it when it first came out, and a lot of things were missing

[nocturne zenith]

1.0 release date is september 25

[wheat rain]

does that mean a full release ?

[orchid acorn]

yes

[orchid acorn]

to make a hades 1 comparison, everything up to beating dad the first time is in the game.

[wheat rain]

aight gonna wait for that, thanks lads

[orchid acorn]

you can beat dad, but anything that came after such as meeting mom any story progress or content that came after that 1st win doesn't exist

[nocturne zenith]

yes. currently the game is more or less complete in terms of gameplay. the primary expected additions with 1.0 are the story beats that come after beating the final bosses of each route, plus endings for the various npc relationships.

[orchid acorn]

tldr 99% of gameplay content is in the game, anything at 1.0 is balance, fluff and lore

with 1% being whatever keepsakes come from post 1.0 story, if any(likely at least 2 based on current game knowledge) and a secret fight

and whatever else they sneak in

[wheat rain]

I played it very long time ago, saw the game was unfinished and went back to h1, seeing now that 1.0 is coming out in a about a week will motivate me to come back

[orchid acorn]

like maybe its more than we think and they put the 3rd miniboss for every region since half already do

but the roadmap says basically no gameplay content coming

specifically naming encounters

[orchid acorn]

if you played at EA launch then yeah the game is basically finished now

[civic sedge]

What does the paper icon over the boon logo at the door mean?

At least I think it's a sheet of paper

[orchid acorn]

something fated list related is in that room

[civic sedge]

Thx

[limpid folio]

how do you use the anubis aspect? i never gave it a shot

[polar abyss]

Scorch (with Pyro Technique), Blitz (with Thermal Dynamics and Pyro Technique), or Waves (with King’s Tide) on Attack are pretty good

[limpid folio]

and what exactly do you do for combos

[orchid acorn]

m1 to make circle
cast inside said circle for double circle, one does damage one does cc
special enemies into the circle
wait for them to die to circle

[limpid folio]

im trying to figure it out

[nocturne zenith]

two (and a half) ways:

1. use the attack field to do many ticks of small damage. iirc some on-hit effects don't quite work with this like you'd expect, but i've had good success with stuff like poseidon attack. omega attack adds an extra crescent-shaped damage field that stacks its damage with the base attack if they overlap.
2. omega special is weirdly powerful, to the point that you can build around that alone.
   2.5. enemies killed with the aspect leave shades behind that rush at enemies for damage when you sprint through them. not worth building around on their own imo but it's funny if you get a fish spam room in oceanus or something.

[orchid acorn]

hestia cast for going full dot, try to get zeus for static shock

pos splash is also good post buff

[limpid folio]

icic

i rarely play hestia so ill start a surface run with her to see how it goes

[polar abyss]

Make sure to always do Dash Attack instead of Attack. The Dash Attack is significantly faster than Attack

[limpid folio]

thanks a lot

[polar abyss]

If you want to focus on Specials, use Hera (for a higher focus), or some other high Percent boon (Apollo, Aphro I guess, even Demeter with an Attack boon).

Also, Cardio Gain is the best gain, because the Attack now works with Cardio Gain

[broken glen]

Grisly gain seems like it could be fun if plasma wasn’t awful

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/kingpin-kingpin-clicking-pen-clicking-pen-spider-verse-into-the-spider-verse-gif-5180708998338482135

waiting for patch notes to either be happy or complain

[polar abyss]

Well you can’t no more

Feedback is shut down

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/zach-mdx-mandala-exchange-gif-21603734

[polar abyss]

This is a No Complaint zone Pronto

[orchid acorn]

me hacking into amirs account to reopen feedback

also technically it says "pausing" feedback not closing /s

surely it reopens copium

wait the last message says closed 😔

[polar abyss]

Yeah it’s closed

[orchid acorn]

ye i was going off the OG message that said they were gonna pause it

https://tenor.com/view/fun-ok-gif-23395164

[polar abyss]

Well they did pause it

It’s just an indefinite pause

[broken glen]

Like what chronos did to the house of hades

[orchid acorn]

me caught mid dash animation to the feedback channel when it closed

[fathom lake]

Only 12 days.

[hasty ocean]

Dang, I never feedbacked that they should make Discordant Bell worse

[fathom lake]

You deal +200% damage but also receive 200% damage

Absolute peak

[polar abyss]

No. You deal +100% damage but take 200% more damage

Who said they ever had to match?

[hasty ocean]

Highkey yeah tho, we need a lowroll keepsake for the great chaos randomizer trials

Or meme challenge runs

[broken raven]

Damn feedback channel closed what do y’all get up to now

[fathom lake]

One day closer to 1.0

[quite literally]

[polar abyss]

Same thing as usual. Simping for the characters, joking about each other, complaining about balance, and waiting for 1.0

[idle crater]

as soon as the feedback channel closed i found something i wanted to give feedback on lol

[fathom lake]

They didnt buff Static Shock Icd 0/10

[strong latch]

This is a long shot, but I don't suppose there's a way to get the Switch 2 version free or discounted if we already bought the Steam version in EA?

[orchid acorn]

.... why would you?

you bought hades 2 for PC, not universally for every playform ever to release in the future

and even then specifically steam, you can't transfer it to epic etc

[strong latch]

I did say it's a long shot

[orchid acorn]

more than a long shot brother that is long range ICBM targeting with a hand thrown rock 😭

[sharp nymph]

hey guys, thought id Give h2 a try as the release made me realise i hadnt played for a wile... man, its SUCH a good game lol, just been playing all day LD

[strong latch]

tried to get a free copy of Hades 2, accidentally nuked my neighbors instead

[pure frigate]

Hey y'all. I'm trying to finish up the last of the unseen update before full release and wanted to ask, does anyone know if the vow of rivals version of typhon's theme is available for purchase from the music maker if you beat him twice? I've only beaten him once and am wondering if I need to do it again or if someone could save me a run lol. I know chronos' vow of rivals theme is and i already have that one but thats its own unique song where as typhons theme is just a remix so i have reason to doubt

[orchid acorn]

its available but i don't know the unlock req

im pretty sure its meet or beat him a few times like chronos VOR though similarly

[pure frigate]

Also while I'm here, the "born to win" prophecy you get to pop by just visiting chaos with the embryo a couple times, yeah?

[pure frigate]

cool thanks very much! sounds like its time for a few more surface runs 🙂‍↕️

[orchid acorn]

bring the egg to chaos 4 total times i believe

[west fossil]

I thought it was only twice?

[orchid acorn]

idr, but im pretty sure its not twice

3 i can believe, but its somewhere around that range

[thorny adder]

It’s like 3 times and some of those have to be in biome one

[west fossil]

I'm pretty sure it's not a whole 4 times though.

[orchid acorn]

let me find where i looked at the req in my post history

i was mistaken about it being in the 1st region, its just X total times let me find it

Requires ChaosAboutKeepsake02, so thats 2 previous runs of bringing it to him and on the 3rd time you get the quest, but can't complete it that run, THEN the 4th run or later is when you can do it

ChaosAboutKeepsake01 > ChaosAboutKeepsake02 > unlock BTW> DO BTW

[sharp nymph]

r u guys gonna make new save/

[west fossil]

Ah, that makes sense.

That's where I got 2 from, and where you got 3 and 4 from.

[orchid acorn]

also can't be during a chaos trial and you need to unlock the surface and unlocked chaos on surface

[pure frigate]

thank you for info pronto

the challenge itself is just beating a run with it on the whole run yeah?

[orchid acorn]

correct

no changing keepsake

[pure frigate]

on release day no but eventually later on, especially if you won't be able to unlock steam achievements you've already "completed"

[fathom lake]

Nah
Only if i love the ending

[orchid acorn]

anything repeatable you need to do again

one time only is retroactive, eg skelly statues

[sharp nymph]

yeaH i was thiniking of doing it and was like.,.maybe illl play with current save

[neon isle]

an unreliable source has told me theyre going to buff power surge to do 200 damage on launch

[sharp nymph]

then make a new sacw down the way for reasobns

[fathom lake]

:D

[orchid acorn]

tldr for achievements :

Complete erebus > Need to do it again

Get the 8/16/24(32) fear statues, automated completed on save boot if not game launch entirely.

so yes this does mean you will have all 3 statue achievements before the achievement beating the first region xdd

[sharp nymph]

is release coming with a lot of other stuff? or is just the end of story stuff and max relastinships?

[pure frigate]

oh dang then sounds like itll all be doable on one save anyways. still will probably play a fresh save at some point though if I have time. too many amazing games out rn 😵‍💫

[orchid acorn]

95% story content and balancing, 5% content otherwise

numbers out of my ass give or take like 10%

[sharp nymph]

aight cool and lol

ty !

[orchid acorn]

the roadmap clearly stated that the game was more or less feature complete and no new encounters abilities etc are coming

[sharp nymph]

yeah cool just some tweaks i guess

[orchid acorn]

we know it to be at least a partial lie with the achievements they accidentally uploaded soft confirming a secret fight

combined with hades 1 precedent of post 1.0 keepsakes(mom and dad) with hypnos and dad in hades2 not having their keepsakes, yet being giftable its likely to repeat

• whoever the hell we meet after the story

though only 1 keepsake slot left

(assuming they odn't expand it again, but they ALREADY expanded itbefore when they likely had the final keepsake count already internally)

[sharp nymph]

ive been on;y playing spareingly during ea, trying to save it, but i folded

[orchid acorn]

anyway RE: starting a new file im probably going to but after i finish the story like it or hate it

[sharp nymph]

yeah

[orchid acorn]

i want to rehear all the dialouge i havent heard or experienced in over a year earlygame so i can relearn the plot

i know the outline but not exactly the order anymore, let aloen what changed or what im headcanoning as the order lmfao

[sharp nymph]

yeah it would be good to see how the early game stuff lik ethat playsout

hahaha

[orchid acorn]

with how much dialogue was added out of order in later patches like medea talking about rumbling on the mountain after i beat typhons ass like 20 times already

[sharp nymph]

😄

[orchid acorn]

like sis i have his eyes in my backpack do you wanna see

[sharp nymph]

yeah i stil have a lot to do / unkock etc

eatinng bacon sarnies and wondering where the wholw day went lo

[solemn fractal]

do you guys think moros and icarus will become pushing buddies

[orchid acorn]

they certainly push into mel

[solemn fractal]

ayo

[little frost]

wait vex from bl4 and mel are the same voice actress :D

toula and trouble hangout sesh

[bronze oak]

Im sorry but moros and ic are both bottoms for mel i saw it in a dream

[orchid acorn]

secret aspect mel staff

[fathom lake]

Mel pushes a lot into them tbhafgfrtyhjklñurhjuki

[orchid acorn]

i bet cardio gain is BIS for that build

[solemn fractal]

heard the omega attack goes wild with that build

[deft drum]

Do we have an exact time for the full release?

[bronze oak]

doesnt steam usually do countdowns

when it gets close to release

[oak ivy]

😭

Lmaoo..

[deft drum]

Not sure if it will if I already have it in my library, is why I ask.

[orchid acorn]

for games that release yes

for EA games, no for the same reason you can't preload EA games

[bronze oak]

true

[orchid acorn]

the game is available and publicly for sale, no countdown will happen unless they make an announcement with a specific time it will launch

wouldn't be shocked for 1PM EST which is when the steam store updates

[bronze oak]

sg likes doing shadowdrops too were cooked

[orchid acorn]

i mean we have the literal day, not really much of a shadowdrop

[oak ivy]

It's very much a lightdrop

[orchid acorn]

Earliest case 12PM, i don't see a midnight release. Latest historical case 3PM(est)

[radiant rapids]

Can't wait for more Hypnos, he's my bro. Anyone else here starting a fresh run on release, or you gonna take your gear and finish this fight day one?

[bronze oak]

have to start a new save for sure

[orchid acorn]

reminder that the final boss resources are nuked at 1.0, so even speedrunning it'll take a few hours

[bronze oak]

people that started playing in EA launch are gonna be playing a whole new game tbh

[orchid acorn]

then again you can do underworld in like 10m each

at 0 fear

so prob like 2 hours

[radiant rapids]

Not on a fresh run. Still have cauldron stuff to unlock

[orchid acorn]

yeah meant for existing files

since you gotta refarm the final boss resources

[twin apex]

everyone that has over 100 hours should be locked to 40f for the first day of the update so nobody else gets spoiled by them speedrunning 🔥

[orchid acorn]

but thats my normal fear

[radiant rapids]

Oh yeah even with refarm, the continued runs will still probably be a day one finish

It's tempting to rerun H1 the couple weeks before it drops to just go for the full story

[orchid acorn]

god i am FIENDING for patch notes

[twilit spoke]

SILKSONG JUST TWO WEEKS AWAY

[orchid acorn]

I have a compulsive need to know what changed and what hasn't

[vapid igloo]

Damn it i dont want to lose my Typhon stuff

[orchid acorn]

we already know heph got nerfed

what else sgg tell me your secrets 😭

[radiant rapids]

They are turned into other resources

[orchid acorn]

yeah a useless resource called prestige

[twilit spoke]

heph is getting nerfed? crazy

[twin apex]

same with every single time i ever see an update. i usually care more about patch notes than new content (although not for hades since the content is perfect)

[radiant rapids]

Pishaw, prestige is the best resource! For teh gloating

[orchid acorn]

400 damage special, -100 damage on from the trailer gameplay

[bronze oak]

i love decorating the crossroads 😿

[orchid acorn]

similar looking cooldown but its only on screen for like 2 seconds but it looks long af

assuming its still 15s common

[bronze oak]

they gave us sm cuter options than h1

[radiant rapids]

Me too lol, I like stuffs

[haughty hill]

I wonder if I'll have enough prestige to buy every new decoration without having to sell any of my stuff for prestige...

[orchid acorn]

yeah and i sold all my psyche the day they added prestige and maxed everything out a year ago 😭

[haughty hill]

I have hundreds of thousands so like I mean I assume so

[hasty ocean]

Just start a fresh file

[twin apex]

trust, it's better pom scaling 100%

[bronze oak]

me selling all of my lotuses and then realizing they were still used in like 10 incantations

[haughty hill]

but then I'd have to play with level 1 aspects again

[orchid acorn]

idk man

[orchid acorn]

mel coat :"whats the difference"

[radiant rapids]

The last patch they dropped was epic on its own with the new boss mechanics thing

[haughty hill]

also I'd have to reunlock coat that's a point

[covert badge]

as if it isn’t already the most resource‑dependent damage source in the game

[radiant rapids]

And your pets 😲

[bronze oak]

why would u play mel coat when nyx is right there 😻

[orchid acorn]

i mean that was the literal last major gameplay content addition alongside hidden aspects

aintn othing on that level coming except MAYBE the secret fight

and i mean how often do you fight charon in h1, be real

[radiant rapids]

Yeah, and it was a banger!

[haughty hill]

nyx costs darkness to unlock and that's kind of a pita

[orchid acorn]

is it?

darkness spawns out the ass nowadays

[bronze oak]

idk if i was just lucky but i ended up finding darkness almost every chaos room

[haughty hill]

I guess I haven't actually looked for any since they increased rates lol

[orchid acorn]

i roll up to him and he got darkness growing like a weed farm

like 2-3 in a room if no other meta resource spawned

usually 1 darkness + 1 meta resource otherwise

was in the patch that giga buffed resource rates to spawn at the same time, i think olympic?

[radiant rapids]

...ah lol
So you're the cosmic RNGesud balance to it taking 2-3 times to get 1 😭

*RNGesus

[humble urchin]

just had my first experience with frenzy 2 UR sirens... i got destroyed

[bronze oak]

frenzy on rivals sirens is honestly one of the worst fights in the game to me if not the worst idk rivals typhon pisses me off too

there is simply nowhere to play

[haughty hill]

yeah that happens there's no trick to it you unfortunately just need to lock in

[humble urchin]

charybdis feature is just hell

[broken glen]

Out of all of the bosses, it feels worst to lose to Scylla. Like with Cerberus I got mauled by a rabid dog. Eris is gonna make fun of me but no one else hangs out with her anyways. With the sirens they’ve got a whole crowd banging out to the melinoe diss track

[orchid acorn]

frenzy on rivals sirens is honestly one of the worst fights in the game to me if not the worst idk rivals typhon pisses me off too
fixed your message

[haughty hill]

featured artist annoys me mildly less than hecate's random hex picks, I'm not sure why

[bronze oak]

all the tentacles precasting their aoe swipe on you before you even think about walking towards them 💀

[merry whale]

i'm at the point where i feel like i have more fun vs rtyphon than rchronos

[bronze oak]

real

[twin apex]

just reduce the projectile hitbox size and make the charybdis tentacles not spam the spin attack and it would instantly be so much better

[radiant rapids]

Actually I do have a trick for sirens

[bronze oak]

frenzy just makes it sm worse without frenzy its kind of managable

[orchid acorn]

because you go into scylla knowing its cancer and its just different flavors of it

Hecate varies from "piss baby easy" to "lmao tohou time"

[radiant rapids]

Focus the drummer first, then tentacles, and work in a clockwise motion

[haughty hill]

well yeah actually that's fair there is a cheese trick for sirens

[humble urchin]

nah non frenzy sirens isnt that bad, atleast you feel like there's some counterplay and can avoid most attacks. frenzy and charybdis features just feels not fair. its just skill issue

[haughty hill]

oh I thought you were talking about godsent total eclipse

[radiant rapids]

It's that easy, doing that significantly helps

[broken glen]

Hitch goes crazy

[radiant rapids]

lol no that's build dependant

[bronze oak]

except you have to clear all the surrounding tentacles away from roxy because you constantly have to move in and out of the water ugh

[orchid acorn]

im lowkey scared this gets nerfed

[haughty hill]

why it's pretty niche

[orchid acorn]

like it is objectively OP IMO but like.... its the one thing keeping some fights fair 😭

[orchid acorn]

not the interaction, just godsent hestia in general

[radiant rapids]

My post disappeared...anyway bounce mechanics and AOE kills too. And you focus Roxy but you do it while moving Clockwise.

[haughty hill]

you can blow away sirens with a few tricks the problem is getting those tricks with high fear econ

do p1 normally and you can clean them up sharpish in p2 with like, half the godsent hexes if you have lineage

[orchid acorn]

like it is the one scorch that breaks the 999 cap, likely to prevent it from feeling like trash in a scorch build but due to that it feels great

it is a full screen wide nuke

[bronze oak]

so many stars have to align (no pun intended) for godsent hexes i feel like they should all be op. like it needs to be at least half moon AND you have to find a bunch of paths/"waste" one of your keepsakes for a region

[haughty hill]

moon beam is hardly a waste o_O

[radiant rapids]

100% agree

[orchid acorn]

i agree, hexes feel mid on average which is a fail point of their design they have tried to improve since launch and still don't live up to calls IMO

[radiant rapids]

Except for the moon beam comment

[orchid acorn]

but like..... everything CAN'T be godsent hestia level

[haughty hill]

total eclipse is an extremely mid godsent

[bronze oak]

getting godsent on the crescent moon just feels so bad cuz its like oh i guess i have to hope i get 5 different paths this run...

[haughty hill]

its one notable use is that specific thing

[radiant rapids]

....or cooould it.... 😲

[orchid acorn]

in what world is nuking bosses for like 1/5th of their hp per use mid, or a screen wide nuke of all enemies

not even screen wide its entire map isn't it

mf hits neutrals in MF

[haughty hill]

'cause for bosses almost every damage godsent does way more

[humble urchin]

pretty sure they meant total eclipse without the godsent

[radiant rapids]

Good night everyone. I'm gonna go worship Dionysius at my local taverna with some fellow followers.

[orchid acorn]

is an extremely mid godsent

[haughty hill]

and for non-bosses it is not meaningfully superior to lance of ares or twilight curse godsent, to pick out two examples

[humble urchin]

uh... my defense is that its 4 am and i cant read

[haughty hill]

the scorch effect Will Not Kill beefy endgame enemies by itself you still need to walk over there

I know this, I have run into this exact issue in tart

[orchid acorn]

idk ill defer to you on it at higher fears since i cap out at 50

[haughty hill]

it's a very versatile godsent but there's better room clearers and better boss killers

[orchid acorn]

but hestia godsent feels like by far the strongest general use outside of hyper specific scenarios

[haughty hill]

it is specifically excellent for dealing with sirens

[haughty hill]

have you not seen someone kamehameha chronos phases away

[orchid acorn]

i've seen it a few times but he tends to combo break out of it and go invincibiel

[short raft]

so its useless

[orchid acorn]

eh not really

[humble urchin]

juiced up lunar ray hits for over 10k damage per use, carried me through typhon a few times

[orchid acorn]

its still good, and with rerolls assuming you pull the good stuff you can then reroll away the bad stuff

[humble urchin]

hell the non godsent with good path rng hit for over 7k for me

[short raft]

I have never taken it, so idk what value does it gives

[orchid acorn]

eg pull everything except magick and pom from bag > reroll a door with those on it > refill bag

[haughty hill]

dark side has always been very strong defensively and now it does thousands of damage a cast with the godsent, for another example

twilight curse is the best room crowd control in the game and its godsent gives it amazing single target boss damage

[bronze oak]

very strong is an understatement on magick builds its just a cheat code 💀

[orchid acorn]

tldr anything you can see on a door comes out of a internal "bag". each region except ephyra pulls from this bag and refills when you run out of options to show on doors. theres like 4 boons, 2 hearts/magick, selene, 1 hammer before region 3 etc

any minor resource then pulls from the bag you have as an upgrade

[haughty hill]

artificer is very good because it lets you get ahead of the economy curve and also you can gimmick things to try and get three hammers, to simplify

[orchid acorn]

yeah you can edgecase stuff like the triple hammer

[haughty hill]

pronto can give the bag explanation for triple hammer because I think that's the only one you actually need to know bag mechanics to reliably predict and I'm going to bed-

(it's 'cause hammer1 and hammer2 are different rewards but both are in every refill for the part you might have forgotten)

[short raft]

Usual card set up for it?

[orchid acorn]

card setup is irrelevant except pick artificer obviously

the tldr is basically don't pick up any hammer before mourning fields and get a hammer in a room. Artificer the minor rewards in said room and it should be forced into being a hammer.

then taking the first hammer reward will refill the 2nd hammer into the bag

its lowkey complicated i did it once like a year ago and then said "wow just going to echo is way easier"

at one point people abused this to get like a 8 hammer run or soemthing

[short raft]

wtf

[orchid acorn]

triple upgrade of minor resources into a hammer + nemesis offering a hammer reward + echo duplicating a hammer + the normal 2 hammers + +2-1 hammer in tartarus

[west fossil]

W H A T

[orchid acorn]

like i said extremely edge case abuse stuff

and rng

[humble urchin]

TIL nem has a hammer reward

[orchid acorn]

a lot of rng

can only offer it if you don't have a hammer this run iirc

and by reward i mean pay / trade

[humble urchin]

does it only apply to oceanus/MF?

[short raft]

thats too much for my brain lol
I need a video tutorial for this much math

[bronze oak]

that sounds so sick but i never run artificer. idek what i would take off to make space

[orchid acorn]

any region nem can appear

i've seen her sell a hammer in erebus

[humble urchin]

huh so even in erebus, interesting

but i assume it fills out the bag for hammer 1?

[orchid acorn]

correct

artificer works( or WORKED idk if it was fixed) because it wasn't removed from the bag till you picked it up

you just changed the ash or w.e to a hammer

so you could do it to all 3 minor reward spots and get a hammer

if you emptied your bag out or something

oh yeah i forgot about experimental hammer, so 9 hammers

[short raft]

she cant appear in the last area, right?

i have never seen her there.

[orchid acorn]

correct she cannot enter tartarus, theres dialogue about it

[bronze oak]

please this made me feel so bad because she spent so many nights just getting to tartarus and then she couldnt even get in 😭

i need the mel nem teamup where mel opens the door for nem and they kill grandpa together

[humble urchin]

mel should've told her "skill issue"

its more "birthright issue" though

[short raft]

same

Get RETRUBUTION to Chronos

[orchid acorn]

latest info i can find about it in speedcord is like 2m onths ago so prob not fixed

Hammer isn't actually removed from your artificer pool until you've picked them up, so you can arti like 3 in a fields room with another hammer already in it to get to 8 as long as you dont pick any of them up before using all ur arti charges. The 9th is from (I believe) Nemesis who works in much the same way (could offer a hammer as a trade in the same room)

also small correction, skipping the hammer before MF is because Daedhammer2 is repeatedly added to the bag each time the bag is refilled but can't be picked up until biome 3, which means you have higher chances t pull from artificer after you pull it from artificer(eg like 4 hammers you can hit daedhammer1 + like 2/3 daedhammer2s)

[solemn fractal]

i do hope artificer gets changed ngl it feels a bit lame?

[orchid acorn]

refreshing myself on it as i reread lmao

[solemn fractal]

like minor to major find just seems ok

[orchid acorn]

nah its great, main issue is just that its hard to fit into the budget but thats other arcana problem not artificer

minor resources are quite literally worthless

the only time you can sidegrade is like nectar>pom

[solemn fractal]

fair enough, maybe i need to play with it more

[orchid acorn]

like in my perfect world, like half the arcana setup would have artificers problem

not good enough to be an auto pick, but good enough to be worth picking if you had the grasp

just fitting the budget to take it becomes a puzzle

[vapid igloo]

It would be cool if you could talk to Erebus about Nyx

[orchid acorn]

current arcana is fill out the 20 grasp or whatever all of the auto picks are + strength/death for 24 total and then complete your last 6 grasp

[bronze oak]

Don't talk sh*t about my 5 max health

[orchid acorn]

5 max hp when he meets 25 maxhp

[sleek oar]

TRUEEE

I afree w you sasuke

[bronze oak]

THANK YOU you see the vision

[ebon oak]

Is 50 Fear Below easier than 50 Fear Above?

[orchid acorn]

pre balance nuke of surface i would say yes. now i lean no.

[bronze oak]

Depends on the vows but usually yeah

[orchid acorn]

but surface is annoying in general so idk

[bronze oak]

Idk if im just way more used to underworld tho cuz I played while they were still adding the surface

[orchid acorn]

hecate is a timer roadblock + scylla is cancer + cerb is free(some things never change) + then chronos is live or die by the time you have left or you had to antler

surface feels easier kinda sorta

typhon is a joke of a boss

[ebon oak]

Considering if I should try for a 50 Fear Below run, as well.

[orchid acorn]

phase 1 sleep. phase 2 sleep phase 3 sleep phase 4 HOLY SH TOHOU DODGE PICCOLO.GIF phase 5 sleep

[ebon oak]

https://tenor.com/view/kirbo-gif-18598276

Me lookin' at Typhon.

[bronze oak]

Vow typhon is sm harder than vow chronos to me idk

[sleek oar]

I am not in tge me tal state to give opinions lowkey so

[ebon oak]

I did 50 Fear with Unrivaled Typhon. It is pretty noticably more difficult. Chronos is probably the easiest part of it.

[orchid acorn]

i dunno i play in the high 40s to literal 50 flat range and i find that if i make it to typhon i tend to win

the only hard part of the fight is that final pre bability phase like i said above

chronos does basically nothing all fight

you can't like.... IGNORE him

but he is a pretty non factor most of the time

[solemn fractal]

he's old, be respectful smh, practically geriatric

[orchid acorn]

im more worried about him during bability tbh

those orbs feel determined to be in the worst possible spot

for me

[solemn fractal]

the babality sucks ngl cuz it feels like typhon is doing his most unpredictable moves while i gotta dodge

[orchid acorn]

but during the typhon fight? He is fortnite emoting in the corner doing nothing for 90% of the time

[solemn fractal]

and my perferred method is face tanking it ngl

[orchid acorn]

Hell if you phase typhon fast enough he literally does nothing until phase 4 which is what i do ost of the time

[solemn fractal]

lunar ray + armor goes wild

[solemn fractal]

how?

[spiral isle]

lowkey spawn of typhon and tail of typhon kill me more than typhon himself does

[solemn fractal]

oh yeah the duo spawns are nasty

[orchid acorn]

phase 1 tends to get nuked down very fast, even faster if you have knuckle bones

phase 2 is a pretty low hp threshhold and its just break the eggs to get back to typhon, again any build that makes it to typhon should be able to nuke the eggs and go back to typhon dps by this point

phase 3 is dodge chronos bubbles + tornados and then dps typhon again, this is when chronos actually gets to do stuff cause of the mass delay the time bubbles + tornados provide, he will get off like 1-2 attacks here be it the succ and slice or just dash with orbs around him(he always dashes onto mels position on a few second delay, which you can bait to the side of typhno so you can go back to dpsing under his chin)

phase 4 eggs as normal, and then typhons remaining hp bar has a LOT of HP left with a lot of tohou trash going around the screen.

Typhon tail slamming + doing a slice projectile
Tentacles coming out of the ground sgg added cause they were pissed players humped his chin all fight
tornado alley hades 2 edition
hand projectiles
typhon doing his bs
chronos doing his bs

hence why phase 4 is the one dangerous one you will tkae damage at cause its just so much to dodge

atp i tend to just play safe until i start getting wombo combod then i just burn my dds to rush him down praying i can kill him before they kill me

[solemn fractal]

i see, this is helpful thanks

[bronze oak]

yea phase 4 makes me dizzy

[orchid acorn]

IIRC its like 35% hp remaining at phase 4

something around that

[river summit]

Has Supergiant made any mention of Cross-Saves eventually being a feature in Hades 2 like it was in the first game?

[west fossil]

Yes, in the release announcement.

[merry whale]

yea cross saves are gonna be available

[river summit]

Oh shoot, I must’ve missed it. Thank you! Was it in the 1.0 Launch Trailer?

[orchid acorn]

Your progress from Steam or the Epic Games Store can transfer via Cross Saves.

#announcements

[river summit]

Thank goddddddd. Appreciate you guys. Thank you.

I’ve got probably like 150 hours into EA. This is a huge relief.

[orchid acorn]

just realized they updated the site FAQ too with more info

Can I transfer save progress between PC and Nintendo Switch?

Yes. Hades II offers cross-saves between the Nintendo Switch and Nintendo Switch 2 versions, and the Steam and the Epic Games Store versions. If you've been playing in Early Access and wish to continue the journey on Nintendo's game consoles, you'll be able to transfer your save data through a simple in-game menu.

[raven perch]

That’s awesome!

[sour flower]

question, i am not bound by the mortal ideals of monogamy in this game am i? iirc you could romance everyone without consequence in H1 but i dont know if thats the case here

[west fossil]

Correct.

[sour flower]

ty

[oak ivy]

no you must romance Icarus only because otherwise he'll get jealous and you will break his heart 💔 😔

[crude pulsar]

in the first game you had a 3 way with a whip........in your bed

so the answer to that is a firm no

🤣

[cursive kayak]

as of a couple minutes ago i have completed everything that is currently able to be done in the game

im so hyped

1.0 cannot come soon enough

[orchid acorn]

EVERYTHING?

[cursive kayak]

yes

[vast coyote]

+7 Engagement Ring Cast, is this anything?

[oak ivy]

you should do a 67 fear run then!!!

[orchid acorn]

born to win
aquarium
all 30~ cardbacks or something i forget how many there are
bench and something else near the hades statue
icarus in olympus(such a low spawn chance has never happened to me 😭 )
uhhhh im trying to think of more rare/not often found stuff

[cursive kayak]

every testament, every quest, every chaos trial, every unlockable, every decoration, every incantation, all of the currently available max bonds, everything max upgraded

[crude dragon]

Not really

[oak ivy]

Nope...

[oak ivy]

67 fear!!!

[orchid acorn]

is your save file from pre-unseen?

[cursive kayak]

ive been playing since july of last year

[orchid acorn]

cause if so technically you have a 99% save file cause you have an uncompletable incantation hehe

[crude dragon]

Hell of a sacrifice if you can trade it for a Zeus or Hestia cast, though

[orchid acorn]

gotta make a fresh file for true 100%

as of unseen patch

[cursive kayak]

wdym uncompletable?

[orchid acorn]

as in, you quite literally cannot do it

[cursive kayak]

the only incantations i have left are the chronos and typhon one

[crude dragon]

Yeah those

[oak ivy]

Pronto the person clearly said:
"that is currently able to be done in the game"
😭

[orchid acorn]

yes and you can do it

[oak ivy]

why are you being so nitpicky

[orchid acorn]

just.... not on existing save files

only new files as of unseen patch can do it

[oak ivy]

wait...

which incantation is that?

[cursive kayak]

you can do dissolution of time and disintegration of monstrosity on new files?????

they have entropy which doesnt exist yet

idk what u mean

[orchid acorn]

no, you got baited by the other person saying stuff not me.

pre unseen patch the tartarus purging pool always worked(after it was added anyway).

Post unseen patch the tartarus purging pool is broken by default, and you need to do an incantation to fix it THEN do an incantation to spawn the purging pools on the other underworld floors

[cursive kayak]

oh i already got that

[orchid acorn]

its quite literally impossible for you to have that

if you've been playing since july of last year

[cursive kayak]

the reason i got it is because i literally never sold any of my boons until after this update

LOL

[orchid acorn]

doesn't matter

[oak ivy]

Wait so I will never have a purging pool in the Underworld?

[orchid acorn]

wait actually i think this works

cause the code specifically prevents you from seeing that incantation if you have ever opened the pool of purging

[cursive kayak]

i got the purging pool incantation

[orchid acorn]

theres two

one is to fix the pool of purging in tartarus

the second is to add pools of purging to the other 3 regions

[vast coyote]

How'd you get the second Incantation?

[orchid acorn]

purge 3 boons

[cursive kayak]

i have the one thats the other 3 regions

[orchid acorn]

correct thats #2

[cursive kayak]

oh

[orchid acorn]

the other one is to fix the pool of purging

[cursive kayak]

OH wait i get it

[orchid acorn]

and is something you literally cannot do on new files

cause you alraedy unlocked it

[cursive kayak]

interesting they made it so new game u have to fix it first lmao

[orchid acorn]

yes

[cursive kayak]

sorry i misunderstood

[orchid acorn]

if i was home i'd check the code to figure out what its called, but the tldr is that if you have ever interacted with the pool of purging it makes it so it doesn't appear

or did the incantation to add the other 3

which requires the first one to be true since its 3 boons to purge

tldr you can't do it cause new save files makes you fix the pool of purging, likely cause players were skipping it

[cursive kayak]

fair yeah

[orchid acorn]

now you fix it > players want to interact with it > they unlock it in other regions

i personally liked when it was pre unseen cause it felt like a relic of zags runs

[cursive kayak]

yeah

[orchid acorn]

no existing save files have it by default

unless you have never gotten to tartarus i guess? idk

theres specific code for it

just don't recall offhand

[cursive kayak]

basically u have to fix it now, when pre-unseen files just had it already working

anyway interesting, TIL

[orchid acorn]

pre unseen post warsong(?) that added them in the first place

· Revival of a Desecrating Pool: new! Restores the Pool of Purging in Tartarus (if you haven't already)

thats the name of it