h2-discussion

[hallow vault]

RIP other Indie Games 😭

[marsh spear]

Meanwhile I'm stuck finishing HK because i panic a lot

The flawless boss mode is just CRIMINAL, I'm skipping that one

[merry whale]

if everything in silksong didn't do 2 masks of damage maybe i'd have a better time lmao

[oak ivy]

yeah it's quite difficult but becomes more manageable once you get past some of the roughest early game bits..
you're still in act 1 I assume?

[slim pike]

they're nerfing the difficulty

[oak ivy]

not really, just on a couple of bosses

very very minor nerf

[slim pike]

I stand by my decision not to play it until they've sorted it out

[oak ivy]

you're missing out 😔

[hearty fog]

They're nerfing the wrong part of the game.

Act 1 is hard but manageable. It gets much worse in 2.

[molten obsidian]

imagine when these people meet the act 1 boss rip for them 😂

[molten obsidian]

well most negative reviews are from people who rage quit after 1 hour 🤦‍♂️

[crude dragon]

Is the dog in act 1?

[oak ivy]

no???

[crude dragon]

Noted

[oak ivy]

I dont know, so far all the bosses have been relatively manageable.. difficult but I could do most of them within like 2 hours maybe

the only bossfight I struggled INSANELY a lot on was actually completely optional hahah

[crude dragon]

I'm still playing through the first game

[sleek oar]

You people have done a great job at making me wanna play a game i have never before been interested in 🤧

[oak ivy]

It's literally one of the best games in the world imo! absolute cinema 10/10 it's too good to be real

[sleek oar]

😞

[marsh spear]

Ok please keep the potential spolery conversation to the other channel

[sleek oar]

My broke ass has gotta get on it before uni gets serious

[molten obsidian]

best metroidvania ever and best roguelike ever in the same year ✍️

[weary axle]

Best RPG too

https://tenor.com/view/henry-kingdom-come-deliverance-kingdom-come-deliverance-gif-5011430249268557211

[fossil echo]

Hades discord
looks inside
silksong

[verbal rampart]

Melinoë 🤝 Hornet -> glorious women in video games

[merry whale]

mel should yell SHAW at chronos

[fossil echo]

Have to say, I never did enjoy HK? Is Silksong worth getting? It sounds like they just amplified the aspects I didn’t like in the OG.

[buoyant matrix]

unfortunately at +50 fear only EDINO is viable

[buoyant matrix]

it's hk on crack and steroids

[merry whale]

if u didn't like hk prob not but u can always try it out tbh lol (i liked hk and don't like silksong so far)

i see ppl having a good time with it still so im like yea the difficulty just not for me lol

[crude dragon]

Hornet also has a different moveset than the Knight, so keep that in mind

[humble blade]

All the hidden aspect are unlocked even when I haven’t got their waking word, is that intended?

[crude dragon]

Definitely sounds like a bug

[oak ivy]

bug? like Hollow Knight? wow...

[humble blade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/886266783126929449/1415003517491351722/20250909225727_1.jpg?ex=68c1a038&is=68c04eb8&hm=37120045f76fc9eab60ebf3d0d378e5d23455a87a7bab9de03b00d2f4034bcdc&=&format=webp&width=2090&height=1176

this is the upgrade menu, no hidden aspect

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/886266783126929449/1415003551880446166/20250909225735_1.jpg?ex=68c1a040&is=68c04ec0&hm=9645b31d195be31e44bdad0667f01729dcfccdbc0f05e363723031d3bddf007e&=&format=webp&width=2090&height=1176

but I can still select it

[verbal rampart]

Definitely sounds like a bug

[vast coyote]

Is taking Death and Strength worth it? Cuz looking at my Arcana set up I can actually fit both

[crude dragon]

Nah, you generally take one or the other

[humble blade]

this might be the result of me playing around with save editor, honestly can't remember

[crude dragon]

Yeah that'd probably do it

[humble blade]

now I kinda want a fresh save to confirm it

since it was fine for hades 1

[marsh spear]

If there was a Chaos boon for Rush Damage, i guess I'd name it Stride?

[little frost]

taking both is based if you end up actually using your DDs

[oak ivy]

no don't take both

[vast coyote]

Believe me, I’d use all of em for sure

[oak ivy]

take only either or

[little frost]

take both it's worth

[oak ivy]

stop this 😭

[vast coyote]

lmao, duality of man

[little frost]

I've done it before and it's awesome

[oak ivy]

spookiboys is memeing 😔

[little frost]

better than wasting 5 grasp on 10 magick/sec regen

[little frost]

wow

[oak ivy]

what about uhh.. boatman??? get 10 rerolls instead? or origination?

[little frost]

yeah u take those

[vast coyote]

Lowkey I’d do it for the meme but there’s probably better stuff I can put in the slot

[oak ivy]

yes there is

[little frost]

and also take strength and death

[oak ivy]

wtf are you sacrifcing then?

[vast coyote]

Hold on, now I wanna see what that would look like

[little frost]

idk I did like some runs with both like 5 months ago with some at least at 32

probably I took off orig

on of them was a momus at like 24 fear with no rerolls

or something

I think I posted two of the runs here lemme look

[oak ivy]

so like i said.... memeing.... 😔

[little frost]

that's crazy

[vast coyote]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/987496174636380160/1415007622293360660/image.png?ex=68c1a40a&is=68c0528a&hm=0b429e89147ec1d52b93df470764d5a9de89452fbb57cfa8f9e75040c568c2c3&=&format=webp&quality=lossless The only based Arcana set-up

[little frost]

god that's so unfathomably based

free void fear numbers

[oak ivy]

just because it is technically possible to beat a run with those arcanas doesnt make them a good choice..
you can technically beat the game with 0 arcanas because of void, so that means that every arcana is a good choice then

[marsh spear]

Weekly i wish we had 50 Arcana message

[hallow vault]

I realized that the Update stufd is similiar to Hades

LMAO

So the Final Update for Hades dropped in June and the 1.0 releaese was in September

I mean Imagine Silksong and Hades 2 in one Month

That would be a hell of a Month

[little frost]

I genuinely think strength and death is not that bad u just have to get into the mindset of hp as a resource

and spend it often

[oak ivy]

that's fair, my point is just its not something to recommend to beginner players anyways

[hallow vault]

Hades 2 is Afterall also a sequel to a massively sucesfull Indie Game

[molten obsidian]

tomorrow ☝️

[hallow vault]

Indie Darling of 2020

[vast coyote]

Damn, that sounds like my playstyle too, just damage trading to victory

[little frost]

i encourage learning by doing

hell yes

[hallow vault]

Sold alot of copies

On Steam 8million

[little frost]

cause then once you're out of DDs you have options of either looking to restore them, but are way more flexible if you don't get any replenishes, especially if you have scars on (with replenishing I mean, not with strength hp lol)

[hallow vault]

1 mil on Epic Game store

[vast coyote]

If I run this though, Do I pick Toula or Frinos?

[marsh spear]

Ok follow me on a journey (brain fart): imagine having 50 Arcanae just so we could make builds by painting Metroidvania maps on the Altar

[little frost]

both are good, you can guess what I enjoy

[marsh spear]

Frinos more hp per extra life

[hallow vault]

So 9 mil on PC it was a sucess on Switch too as i Heard

Probably i would say easily 12-15 mil units

[vast coyote]

Raki right? 😉

[little frost]

surely

[hallow vault]

So yeah Hades 2 Had Double the Peak players in early acess on Steam

[vast coyote]

truuuuuuuue

[hallow vault]

I guess when it goes 1.0 and thex start to market it

It will Blow up again

[little frost]

since toula is 80 flat hp instead of % I think she gives more total hp unless you get max health over like 130 or some number I forget

[hallow vault]

So yeah

Will be a weird best Indie Game of 2025 choice for me

Schedule one peak
Peak fun
Hades 2 one of my Favorite Games
Silksong i Love it so far 😭😭

[little frost]

u see s1 is gonna have a halloween update lol? of all the games I did not expect that to get a halloween update

[crude dragon]

Origination?

[brave urchin]

1.0 aaaaany day now. Aaaaaany day now.

[buoyant matrix]

leaked nintendo direct in three days

will announce the release date

all in

[little frost]

what about it

[uncut knot]

Idk if this is an unpopular opinion or not but I think Rivals Hecate and Scylla are harder then Rivals Cerberus

[verbal rampart]

All of us are going crazy

[limpid oar]

They are definitely more complex fights, Cerb I feel like is more of a numbers check than either of the two bosses before

[molten obsidian]

yeah that's the last date from them this year.

[verbal rampart]

You're giving me so much hope

[azure rain]

in 1-2 week gonna be launched imo

[lyric matrix]

If they don't announce it at the unconfirmed Nintendo direct then they've gone rogue and nothing makes sense or matters anymore.
Up is down, black is white, your favorite sports team is good!
Cats and dogs living together

[hybrid gulch]

While I think everyone struggles with different fights to varying degrees, I definitely find unrivaled Hecate to be a major pain in the butt. Slowly getting better at that fight but still difficult for me

[buoyant matrix]

they've gone... "rogue"? like roguelike?... woah 😲

[limpid oar]

I actually love rivals Hecate, the fight is hard and it can take ages but it's got such a fun dynamic to it

[lyric matrix]

Rogue adjacent!

[oak ivy]

rogue lite?

[lyric matrix]

Diet Rogue

[oak ivy]

or Rouge-like?

Mel wearing the crimson dress ^

[lyric matrix]

Rogue-ish

[dusky mountain]

Hi guys

I Just hacked supergiants Emails, Launch Date is Oktober 21st

[verbal rampart]

I have a bomb with your name on it just in case you lie

[dusky mountain]

Its probably spelt incorrectly anyway

[hybrid gulch]

lmao

[vast coyote]

I liked this joke

[oak ivy]

thank you ❤️

[vast coyote]

np

[little frost]

high fear erebus would be so much fun if you had one less location tbh, then people would have better feelings about rivals hecate I bet

[brave urchin]

Hey what you guys think the "champion of elysium" achievement gonna be?

[crude dragon]

Secret boss

[molten obsidian]

that last steamdb update looks interest 👀

[oak ivy]

OMG you're right

SHIP/hades2.exe !!!!!!!

I dont know what that means but it sounds promising??? some cryptic words...

added launch/10/executable....

actually wait.... does this count as data mined stuff? unsure since it's public on steam DB.....

[limpid oar]

oh that's just going to be a hotfix to Thessaly. They're probably changing something about the ship

[molten obsidian]

New build incomming ☝️ tomorrow people

[oak ivy]

and "launch" refers to Eris launching her bombs at you, you're right

😔

[limpid oar]

so true

[molten obsidian]

4 devs boys ☝️

[oak ivy]

OMG

it's happening?????

today???? but i havent finished silksong yet 😭

[molten obsidian]

same the game is massive ✍️

[oak ivy]

SGG please dont make me choose 🙏

OMG 5 devs............

[molten obsidian]

omg is today

[oak ivy]

😰 😰 😰

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-god-its-happening-ok-stay-calm-the-office-gif-6091046

[molten obsidian]

wake up boys 🤡

[crude dragon]

Guess the H2 dev team has already finished Silksong

[molten obsidian]

20 m ☝️

[oak ivy]

this is so unfair!!!!

[unreal temple]

Don't think 1.0 would drop without a prior announcement

[molten obsidian]

6 devs for confirm it please

[oak ivy]

it would, they totally would shadowdrop it

[unreal temple]

Surely

[oak ivy]

I'll have to mute this channel for a solid week or two to finish silksong first 😭

ahhhhhh!!!

[limpid oar]

chat greg is typing in #hades2-patch-notes

[oak ivy]

throw tomatoes at Coldshade everyone 🍅

[limpid oar]

I understand the tomatoes but why the pregnant men?

[oak ivy]

that's not me.....

blame Ynner and Tago

[unreal temple]

Why not

[limpid oar]

Why yes

[oak ivy]

Why maybe

[molten obsidian]

23m 🎉

[oak ivy]

Dexter I love your skelly pfp!!

@limpid oar why the 💀 ??

you're jealous?

[unreal temple]

Skelly

[limpid oar]

because it's the closest you can get to Skelly in an emoji

[oak ivy]

ohhhh

[rocky lava]

Is it happening

[oak ivy]

I'm too terminally online, so it went over my head skull 😔

[molten obsidian]

we need another dev ☝️

[oak ivy]

yeah 5 devs so far... we need at least 6-7 I think

[rocky lava]

5 is not enough??

[oak ivy]

no it's usually at least 6 or 7 I think

[molten obsidian]

greg do it 🎉

[oak ivy]

greg is 🌙

[limpid oar]

oh maybe the patch notes are being typed into word and he will just paste them in once they're finished

[oak ivy]

maybe!

[merry whale]

wait wtf 1.0 before my 62f mel flame surface

[molten obsidian]

15m 🎉

[merry whale]

i have failed :(

(but also lfg?)

[oak ivy]

it's okay, you can get the first 67f 1.0 clear !!!!!!!

[limpid oar]

67 surface hasn't been cleared has it?

[merry whale]

if i was a masochist yea

[oak ivy]

I believe in you.. (even though you dont like silksong 💔)

[merry whale]

ok but 67f with auto seeker spam is not it LOL

watch it be like "patch 12"

[molten obsidian]

Do it ssg

[rocky lava]

Please I want the steam achievements

[oak ivy]

no they said explicitly patch 11 was the last one

[merry whale]

but it would be funny

[limpid oar]

I kind of want it to happen because it would be funny to see chat's reaction

[oak ivy]

true... funny > actual 1.0

[molten obsidian]

greg ✍️

[polar abyss]

Actually though… having it be called “Patch 12” instead of 1.0 would be hilarious

I want it to happen now

[merry whale]

"Patch 12!... but it's 1.0!"

[oak ivy]

imagine if it's Patch 11.1 💀

hahahahahaha

[merry whale]

11.1111

[oak ivy]

Patch 11.1: "we reverted Shiva to how it was during the Unseen update"

[molten obsidian]

10m 🎉

[polar abyss]

Wait…. Patch 1.0, for Hades 2. 1 for 2… Patch 12…

It’s all coming together now

[merry whale]

as long as they fix rival scylla visual clarity i will be a happy player

[limpid oar]

which part of the fight has visual clarity issues?

[merry whale]

everything lmao i can't see hot pink on pink on pink

[limpid oar]

what about red on pink on pink?

[merry whale]

like environmentals like drummer floor sweep or aphro cast makes their attacks near impossible to see

[wet epoch]

It's not releasing this year is it

[polar abyss]

No. It released last year

[molten obsidian]

chat They're just making fun of us

[merry whale]

it's also that the natural purple room on pink/purple attacks makes it difficult to catch whatever's going on in the peripheral

[wet epoch]

any early access does not count as a release for me

THE 1.0 NOW !

[polar abyss]

Well it is a release, to the opinions of people that aren’t you

[oak ivy]

it's literally releasing in 8 minutes!!

[merry whale]

mods delay the update

[limpid oar]

wait why was i actually expecting something to happen when they said this

[wet epoch]

don't hype me 😢

[wet epoch]

mb mb ..

[oak ivy]

the baiter gets baited 😔

[limpid oar]

not my fault announcing the release from an alt account that hasnt spoken in here before and doesnt have a rank seems like a very sgg thing to do

[oak ivy]

lmaooo

except this person has spoken in here before!

[limpid oar]

have they?

[wet epoch]

I did !

[limpid oar]

oh mb

[wet epoch]

😢 u bully me

[oak ivy]

it's okay I forgive you ❤️

[limpid oar]

no im nice, pronto is the only bully in this community

[weary axle]

pls devs dont do this to me i just deleted my hades 1 save file

[molten obsidian]

Chat, they know about the 6 devs thing

[kindred shard]

Revives your save file + releases the game last week

[oak ivy]

they're playing tricks on us!!!

[merry whale]

watch em just put the hades 1 1.0 patch notes

what the hell is an extreme measures

[kindred shard]

Whatever theyre typing rn

[oak ivy]

it's a measure that is considered to be "extreme" by some people like Zagreus

[wet epoch]

They will release it next year

[weary axle]

al long as they fix alt tab audio i would be very happy lol

[limpid oar]

Zagreus? Is that the guy from Mel's family portrait?

[kindred shard]

"Wdym we have to fight hades"

[oak ivy]

it's the guy everyone wishes we could play as in Hades 2 for some reason

[weary axle]

i just hope he is a boss of some kind

but i guess lore wise mel would wreck zag

[oak ivy]

people had this debate at least 3 different times on this server and most people agree Mel would win yeah

[molten obsidian]

it's so over ?

[kindred shard]

Zag when mel pulls the kill you instantly spell

[oak ivy]

I cant believe it 😔

[kindred shard]

Theyd go band for band and mel would pull the ability to go outside

[sleek oar]

Mel magic too strong

[vast coyote]

When Zag gets bullied he calls Mel to beat em up

[rocky lava]

we believe

[kindred shard]

Mel vs theseus i would pay good money to see

[torpid sky]

Doritos Yarok

[sleek oar]

We got hope for this to be canon 🙏

[hearty idol]

guys don't gaslighting yourself

[oak ivy]

the signs dont lie!

[lyric matrix]

Rogue-lie!

[kindred shard]

Theseus after asterius is raised from the dead with 200% attack speed and 45% crit chance AGAINST him

[limpid oar]

let's be real he'd be in awe of Melinoe and not realise the weird dude he's been fighting is actually her brother

[kindred shard]

He'd definitely try to hit

[weary axle]

i played like 120 hours of hades 2 last 10 days and completed everything so i reset my hades 1 save and try to go for completionist

seems in hades 2 i only ever die to bosses

[sleek oar]

I think hed recognize the eyes and ask if its zag like dio did 😭

[weary axle]

but in 1 also in normal rooms

[kindred shard]

Some cloaking magic to get past him in elysium

[limpid oar]

turn up fear that makes rooms harder, Mel is very good at crowd control so rooms feel chill at base level of difficulty

[torpid sky]

I will never get over the fact that Dionysus just assumed Zag transitioned

[weary axle]

i did the 32 fear

it was pretty miserable

but still only died to bosses pretty much

[sleek oar]

Honestly based of him

[torpid sky]

Agreed 🤝

[weary axle]

think in my 250 hours i died in a normal room maybe 2 times

[limpid oar]

if you had stuff that makes rooms harder then teach me how to play, hordes 3 frenzy 2 fangs 2 rooms are nasty

[torpid sky]

...they are?

[kindred shard]

So sad seeing mel turn down a lot of dios party invitations when zag wouldve jumped at the chance but couldnt 😔

[torpid sky]

it's still the bosses that get you on that

[limpid oar]

well, can be if you roll something stupid in those rooms

[weary axle]

idk what to tell you haha, I even make a point to run only with the +damage no DD arcana

[rocky lava]

any moment now

[torpid sky]

yeah... Zag would've loved to

[kindred shard]

Strength is worse at higher fears i feel

Than DDs anyway

[sleek oar]

Trueee i wanna party with dio 😞

[weary axle]

it did take me like 120 runs to beat the last boss

[limpid oar]

I feel like it's specifically rivals that makes DDs so appealing to have

[kindred shard]

Yeah if the bosses get so many invincibility phases why cant mel

Thats the main thing about DDs for me anyways

Stops damage from snowballing

And your effective hp is slightly higher than running strength

Like a tenth higher

[sleek oar]

Is strength 20% dmg increase

[limpid oar]

also lots of the ways you take damage (poison, going overtime) just straight up bypass strength

[weary axle]

what i do is boon keepsake first and then second i switch to arachne

then try to farm as much shield as possible

[oak ivy]

wait the 1.0 came out 4 days ago already?? they renamed the game to Chronos instead of Hades though for some reason.... I guess because he's the main villain this time around, it kinda makes sense actually
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[weary axle]

and if lucky even get the +damage based on shield

[tranquil wren]

silkposting in the hades discord is crazy

[sleek oar]

Love that the spoiler did absolutely not spoil the image 😭

[oak ivy]

wait it didn't?

[limpid oar]

it spoiled the image on my end

[sleek oar]

Thats everyday

[oak ivy]

it does on my end

[sleek oar]

On my end it just spoiled the hyperlink part, not the actual image

[kindred shard]

Yea and 40% defence

[kindred shard]

Strength doesnt apply to armour anymore so even then its the same as DD armour

The only thing strength benefits now is max hp defence wise

[sleek oar]

Oh damn it doesnt??

I thought it worked on armour too

[kindred shard]

Nah they got rid of it a while back during the strength nerfs

50% dmg reduction on what can be like 200 armour not even factoring in max hp

[sleek oar]

Rip strength i always ran dds

[kindred shard]

Yeah i like strength for low fear for bigger number but usually run DDs for the safety

[weary axle]

i never even thought about it that way. In hades 2 i really like the cant take damage if you dont get hit approach

moreso than in 1

[kindred shard]

Yeah 2 has safer weapons easily

It promotes ranged play a lot more

[weary axle]

do have to admit that the torches are my fav yeah

[kindred shard]

But when you do get hit DDs provide the extra barrier of losing one to avoid your hp getting absolutely tanked on strength

[kindred shard]

I STAY a torch truther

[weary axle]

idk i like the feeling of getting killed in 3 hits i think the extra damage is worth it

[kindred shard]

Its risk reward at the end of the day but DDs are def more consistent for me

[patent smelt]

dont suppose theres been any new info about release?

[kindred shard]

Naw

[polar abyss]

Something I have thought about is that each weapon typically has 1-2 extremely strong aspects, but also 1 aspect that is weaker than the others. Comparing the weapons to each other, I feel like Staff is the best, but Torches are also pretty good.

[kindred shard]

It came out last week

[orchid acorn]

trust me homie, if there was we would be talkin about it or literally any google search would show it too.

[oak ivy]

Pronto did you not see!! there are some meaningful steam db changes!!
and 5 devs online!!!

[kindred shard]

Theres no weapon that i feel is lagging behind massively which is good

[oak ivy]

but it's already kinda late so it's a bit confusing

[kindred shard]

Hehe 7pm hades 2

[orchid acorn]

steam db changes? the thing that happens all the time for any game in active development or live service?? https://media.tenor.com/y2-aJLGaR0YAAAAM/nowaying.gif

[polar abyss]

I don’t think there is any weapon that is lagging behind for most, but personally, I feel like axes are the weakest at really high fears.

[oak ivy]

no like actual meaningful changes

[orchid acorn]

also what the hell is this discord change i hate it

[oak ivy]

with actual text stuff

[polar abyss]

I am one of the few psychos who have done fear above 32 (62 4 times atm).

[oak ivy]

go look at it yourself

[orchid acorn]

i don't know what exactly changed but now the X are typing looks weird

[oak ivy]

it's not a regular daily steamDB update that we see all the time

[kindred shard]

Yeah axe is easy the lowest but i think thats because none of them really have a quick way to play them

Hordes wards and grit impact axe the most out of any wep imo

Maybe daggers MAYBE

[polar abyss]

Also Frenzy + Rivals.

[weary axle]

yeah wards suuuucks on axe

[molten obsidian]

testers playing 1.0

[kindred shard]

Than is the best high fear axe right

[oak ivy]

it is pretty late now, it might be over 💔

[orchid acorn]

ok it actually it some news, but not exactly some major shift. Just making a new hidden beta branch for some reason which we know the update is soontm anyway it SHOULD be getting tested but yeah more info than not

[polar abyss]

Daggers or coat are probably the second weakest overall weapon. I’d wager perhaps Coat is that second weakest, because within the span of 3 days, 62 clears were done for Mel, Artemis, and Pan blades in UW.

[kindred shard]

Theyre rehearsing their 1.0 speech

[oak ivy]

pronto -1, lilac +1

[orchid acorn]

rare lilac W

[oak ivy]

[weary axle]

its thanatover

[orchid acorn]

ok how do you tomato that

i gave you a W

[oak ivy]

I tomato the "rare" part!

[polar abyss]

No. Nergal is the highest. Though Charon does have 62s on both routes now.

[orchid acorn]

cause you usually get Ls

theres a reason why its "common lilac L" not "unusual L lilac

[kindred shard]

Coat has a little bit more crowd control than blades but for flat out damage yeah i see blades come out better

[oak ivy]

is this "reason" in the room with us right now???

[kindred shard]

Colour me surprised

[oak ivy]

no one besides you hallucinates my Ls 😔

[orchid acorn]

https://imgur.com/7tGT5lA

[polar abyss]

Lilac has 2 L’s in her name because that’s what she gets constantly. But also Pronto, you have no W’s or L’s in your name, so Pronto is a nothing burger. /s

[molten obsidian]

tomorrow 60% chance and friday 100% 🔥

[orchid acorn]

real

[oak ivy]

Fraud doesnt count because he was just copying you smh

[orchid acorn]

but he did do it

[oak ivy]

friday 120% chance 🔥

[lyric matrix]

All in for the Nintendo Direct.

[polar abyss]

I play both sides of this “war” like Prom so I can be the true winner.

[lyric matrix]

Rogue-yes

[orchid acorn]

this is my reason for flaming lilac too

flame lilac? fun.
ragebait lilac? fun
do nothing which ragebaits her more? fun

[polar abyss]

Your chat there says a different message

[kindred shard]

MONDAY ⁉️ TUESDAY⁉️ WEDNESDAY ⁉️

[kindred shard]

What else can they even announce atp

[oak ivy]

it's okay I can just safely retreat to my silksong no matter the outcome too 😌

[kindred shard]

PRIME 5 !!!!!! anything but hades bruh

[orchid acorn]

there is no tomorrow

its either today or its not

[oak ivy]

I think it's more likely SGG will shadowdrop 1.0

without any announcements

[orchid acorn]

aka just like hades 1 dropped

[kindred shard]

Nah ik they did it for H1 but 2 has more gas behind it

[orchid acorn]

also chat im so pissed

[molten obsidian]

but on friday IDK

[lyric matrix]

Prime 4
New Mario side scroller
there's a whole list and the rumor was it's supposed to be a big direct.

[oak ivy]

isn't that your default state?

👀

[weary axle]

https://tenor.com/view/eft-escape-from-tarkov-tarkov-bsg-battle-state-games-gif-19679275

thursday

[orchid acorn]

no cause i had jury duty for federal court in January but it got dismissed and never showed up now i got state jury duty next month

[kindred shard]

Dayumn throw in an earthbound remake and im sold

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-cat-smol-small-ragey-gif-26398063

[kindred shard]

And a 2d metroid

[hybrid gulch]

well aren't you popular!

[orchid acorn]

and these mfs are saying that since it was dismissed im not immune for 2 years like i normally would

[hybrid gulch]

just channel your inner Stan Smith. That dude LOVES jury duty

[oak ivy]

I'm scared of Pronto's presence in the justice system 😭

[orchid acorn]

always not guilty

[oak ivy]

oh ok!

[kindred shard]

It sounds kinda fun like lmk the tea too ☕️

[orchid acorn]

ngl i might vote for the death penatly if it was funny tho

[kindred shard]

Im just curious,,,

[oak ivy]

"your honor, my client played Hades 2 with the unseen arcana, but he is an honest man doing his best"

"DEATH SENTENCE"

[orchid acorn]

so real

i'd administer it myself

[hybrid gulch]

and how would you carry out the sentence?

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-invincible-gif-21644488

[kindred shard]

Death by night bloom punchy guy from mourning fields i forgot his name

[orchid acorn]

except im the fatass yellow guy

but still punch

[oak ivy]

lmaooo

[kindred shard]

Aw hell nah not the lout 😭😭😭

[oak ivy]

Death by Wailer screaming in your ears

[orchid acorn]

death by lilac

[oak ivy]

death by me yapping

[kindred shard]

Death by spindle to the ankle

[rocky lava]

So did we lose

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/kim-sujung-yapping-sujung-yapper-kimsujung-gif-9306302091830717049

[buoyant matrix]

death by having to spend 6 dice on the first boon to get what you want to start with

[oak ivy]

death by rerolling athena 3 times and still not getting renewed faith 😔

[molten obsidian]

six dev don't show up

[neon isle]

i love #jury nullification

the state hates it when you pull this trick

[rocky lava]

There's always tomorrow

[kindred shard]

Death by phial rarifying spirit surge

Instead of anything useful

[oak ivy]

death by phial rarifying Bridal Glow you mean

[buoyant matrix]

whose the dexter guy

[orchid acorn]

debating using this trick

[kindred shard]

You get the pom level from that no?

[neon isle]

phial bridal isnt the worst outcome

[buoyant matrix]

his id is literally supergiantdexter 😂

[orchid acorn]

prob not gonna get selected anyway

[kindred shard]

"Tonights the night" ahh 1.0

[orchid acorn]

if i do ill finally have to finish hollow knight like lilac wants me to do

[oak ivy]

Dexter and Supergiant collab!!!

[orchid acorn]

ill bring my steam deck and bing chill while they yap

[oak ivy]

yayyy

[oak ivy]

okay what about rarifying Smithy Rush then!

[kindred shard]

Reduced cooldown !!!

[oak ivy]

no but it's like still really bad

[kindred shard]

Rarify smth like uhhh dazzling display

On axe

[crude dragon]

Rarify Reckless Abandon

[kindred shard]

I forgot that was a boon

Rarify security system

[crude dragon]

Now that's a cursed proposition, because it means Olympus fountain gamba, or you're taking Phial into Summit

[buoyant matrix]

take phial after thessaly

no, don't take hammer, or knuckle bones for UR prometheus, or any other utility

take goddamn phial and hit grisly gain 🤑 🤑 in the summit fountain 🤑 💰

[polar abyss]

Something just happened in Server roles

[buoyant matrix]

DID YALL SEE THAT

[polar abyss]

I think Dyno role giving is back

[orchid acorn]

probably them fixing dyno

[buoyant matrix]

YEAH

[crude dragon]

Ah, so swearing is illegal again

[orchid acorn]

has been for like 2 weeks

[buoyant matrix]

and it was from supergiantdexter!!

[orchid acorn]

they called in someone new to fix the bot 😭

[molten obsidian]

tomorrow it is 🎉

[orchid acorn]

nah trust it was greg, he misclicked server roles instead of patch notes

[buoyant matrix]

-uhhh what do i set as my id
-idk something dexter
-what's the group's name again?

[kindred shard]

https://tenor.com/view/shadow-the-hedgehog-sonic-the-hedgehog-picture-president-gif-17005489651474322607

[buoyant matrix]

and then absolute cinema was made

[kindred shard]

Something just happened

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-ever-happens-chud-chudjak-soyjak-90-seconds-to-nothing-gif-9277709574191520604

[oak ivy]

Omg?????

[molten obsidian]

silksanity is taking over this server.

[unreal temple]

Server roles announcement

[oak ivy]

Dexter thank you

[orchid acorn]

somone try to get the feedback role

tago your rollless go try

[molten obsidian]

clown role for the believers.

[kindred shard]

This and president are the good and bad endings of when is 1.0

[unreal temple]

They added the Hades 2 role

[kindred shard]

GUYS

PYRE 2 ROLE

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/anton-ego-gif-9709800945809453150

[limpid oar]

what if they stealth drop pyre 2 full release and say nothing about h2?

[kindred shard]

Its really funny looking at greg's pfp between the 3 hades ones because yeah greg is also in the game

[orchid acorn]

when you invite grandpa to the group chat

[kindred shard]

No they announce the pyre 2 drop and shadow drop hades 2 as they do

[orchid acorn]

pyre 2 EA release
silence on hades 2

never updates again

[polar abyss]

“Chronos what are you doing here? You’re supposed to be dead!”

[limpid oar]

the whole h2 early access was just a beta test for pyre 2

[kindred shard]

Pyre 2 gets hades 2 crossover content before hades 2 gets its own content

[orchid acorn]

hades 2 was actually a prologue for pyre 2

[polar abyss]

What if Pyre 2 contains Hades 2?

[kindred shard]

Its a minigame

[orchid acorn]

the incantation brings all of the olympian pantheon to the pyre verse

[limpid oar]

which 3 h2 characters would make for the best Nightwings

[orchid acorn]

and we need to play not basketball/hockey mashup to defeat himn

[orchid acorn]

have you seen the way chronos schmooves? mf is a instapick

[kindred shard]

I mean wizard basketball and you invite the witches

[kindred shard]

Ref he is FREEZING TIME

[limpid oar]

if Mel gets Beach Ball, can she use that to douse the opponent's pyre?

[orchid acorn]

what would mels canonical build be

[polar abyss]

Black Coat?

[orchid acorn]

nah def sister blades

[polar abyss]

Well I wasn’t serious.

[kindred shard]

Mel blades, apollo idk after that

[orchid acorn]

they had so much aura they were the first weapon depicted for mel instead of the starter wep

what weapons havent we seen mel use in art

[limpid oar]

I wish blades were actually good

[orchid acorn]

we've seen coat blades and axe afaik

[kindred shard]

I got so sad that i had to start with STAFF

Weve seen bow 💀

[polar abyss]

Hey we now have 2 Dynos

[orchid acorn]

hell we've seen bow before staff 😭

[polar abyss]

We have Dyno and Dyno 2

[orchid acorn]

oh hey dyno has a role now

[kindred shard]

Dyno 2 is 7th dev

[polar abyss]

Or I guess Dyno 5714 and Dyno 1390

[molten obsidian]

👀

[orchid acorn]

quick everyone curse see if ti works

[limpid oar]

all the devs coming on to configure the bots and not planning an actual release is peak trolling

[kindred shard]

It works !!

Why am i ourple

[crude dragon]

Purple

[molten obsidian]

AI is taking this server.

[orchid acorn]

RIP dyno

long live new dyno

[kindred shard]

Rip dyno you wouldve loved 1.0

[polar abyss]

Maybe we will see Dyno 5714 in Patch 12

Dyno got timecubed by Chronos

[kindred shard]

Dyno 1 is one of the fates

[oak ivy]

Why are you Orange now??

[kindred shard]

Theres 3 dynos

[orchid acorn]

you can't just say that lilac

[molten obsidian]

✍️

[polar abyss]

Because

[kindred shard]

Leaves in autumn :

[oak ivy]

Lmaoo haha

[orchid acorn]

lowkey them fixing dyno is a mark against hades 2 releasing soon, i would've thought they would go "screw it games releasing soon just leave it broken"

[limpid oar]

chat I think the devs are just waiting for AD to log on before they release the game. look AD is offline

[orchid acorn]

this means nothing, that mf randomly reacted to me WHILE OFFLINE

im being tracked

[oak ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-hide-gif-26822036

[limpid oar]

AD if you are here please react to this

see, not here, h2 isnt releasing until AD comes on

[molten obsidian]

✍️

[kindred shard]

AD's 2

[limpid oar]

uhh actually im gonna get on and try to grind out 62f moros if they are releasing today so that i can get it b4 release

[orchid acorn]

do it with stuff you think will get nerfed or buffed

so you can wave the epeen of doing stuff while it was hard

[kindred shard]

Wait what time is it for yall because its 8pm for me

[orchid acorn]

3pm

[merry whale]

if u keep the game open u can get moros 62 on patch 11 indefinitely

[frigid reef]

2pm

[kindred shard]

Ahhh icic

[merry whale]

12pm pt

[polar abyss]

But what about Eos 62?

[orchid acorn]

if you open the game on launch day you can look at mel axe and be let down one last time

[kindred shard]

Curse of gmt

[merry whale]

1.0 axe: psychic whirlwind is now base kit

[polar abyss]

Or wait… I have a better idea. Coldshade have you done the Nyx 62?

[orchid acorn]

mel axe now innately has 1/2/3/4/5/8 instances of psychic whirlwind

they call her the blender

[crude dragon]

When she was a kid, they called her the Nutri-bullet

But now she's the blender

[little frost]

they should make a hammer that sucks enemies into oattack like aphro cast

[hearty idol]

adn then get obliterated by that kamikaze enemies

[kindred shard]

They should make a special one that makes ospecials rings appear around you instead of in a line

And they all converge on mell for like quadruple damage

Acc just fix seige shredder

[supple nymph]

is it a problem if i sell renewed faith

[polar abyss]

No. You will still keep the DDs

[limpid oar]

I did both Eos and Nyx at 58, so I'm running something where I've got a bigger gap

[lusty sleet]

im just waiting for this to get added into all the other chaos of updates and new releases to play lol

[torpid sky]

don't worry it'll be a while

[polar abyss]

I was thinking; what if you went for the Nyx 62/65? (So I thought to ask)

[torpid sky]

Nyx 65 😭

[polar abyss]

Foolish did it

It’s possible. But also, that’s Foolish

[torpid sky]

exactly

why Nyx of all things

[orchid acorn]

im so happy nyx does olympic effects now

[polar abyss]

Because it’s the best Coat

[orchid acorn]

it was my favorite coat in theory but it was just so ass

[torpid sky]

people have such bad taste, it's clearly Mel Coat

[orchid acorn]

that one fix made it my favorite coat, let alone the extra 25% damage

[polar abyss]

Mel Coat is bugged to not do what it says.

[orchid acorn]

i mean it does what it says, just sgg is bad at math and there are internal hidden caps to stuff to make it math out to be less than it should be.

its like when you could have old uncapped blood drops, at a certain point 1% stopped being 1% and more like .01%

[limpid oar]

I died to fields miniboss

[polar abyss]

Yeah the internal cap.

If it’s not intentional, and it is technically wrong, is it not a bug?

[orchid acorn]

same with the new pos heph duo boon, its actually like 26% faster

[polar abyss]

And also if it wasn’t addressed

[orchid acorn]

ehhhhhhhhh its correct in both senses of the definition sorta

its "intended" to have diminishing returns so stuff like the animation and the block has time to actually block etc. but its also lying to the player which feels bad when you do the math and it ends up not being what you wanted

personally i would rework the shield mechanic period cause its such a failure of design

make the omega attack give you a barrier for X seconds or something

on a Y second cd like how flood gain works

[polar abyss]

What if Coat OAttack was like Wolf Howl? It was a jump that punched at an area in front?

[orchid acorn]

i think the o-attack by itself is fine

just the shield baits players into doing things when it doesn't work as intended

they VERY clearly don't want shield 2.0

which is why its so gimped even from the axe special pre rework version

[polar abyss]

Well then I feel like Artemis needs to be changed. We can’t just give an aspect’s bonus to an entire weapon class.

And Artemis shouldn’t be changed

[orchid acorn]

i mean we can though cuase its different?

Artemis would be shield then crit for 1 second on a 12S cd

This would be just mint condition while charging and during the attack on a CD

artemis is more offensive, this is more defensive

[polar abyss]

I guess… but the effect of a barrier is the same then.

[orchid acorn]

artemis WANTS you to get hit and incentives aggressive play

coat is just pure defense "pls don't take damage"

im prob just biased at this point cause the shield sucks so much i just an energy shield cause it feels useless

[polar abyss]

No, not the effect of what the blocks incentivize. I mean you are literally just saying to give the coat Artemis’s full body barrier.

[polar abyss]

You said so right here

[orchid acorn]

correct?

artemis wants you to pop the barrier, and is 1 hit + 1 sec extra for a crit reward

This is "SHIELDS UP" to tank and then do one big attack

artemis is inherently more offensive

you WANT your shield to pop and position to do so to get the aspect bonus

and do it as often as you can on cd basically

[polar abyss]

So the goal is for the Block to have a cooldown also as a trade off? Or is it just block while charging as a full buff?

[orchid acorn]

has a CD otherwise you are literally invincible

can't just always be immune while o attack charging and attacking

again literally artemis but without the crit reward so you aren't outright using it. Its a mostly a defensive tool

• • on the cd accordingly, most likely + since its a fully body long lasting shield

[polar abyss]

“again literally Artemis but without the crit reward…”. So it is objectively better Artemis then. You get more blocks, and some additional reward that is typically more valuable than crit chances. I don’t know how else to say it so I’ll try rephrasing again; The intention of the barrier does not matter. Your suggestion is to take Artemis’s barrier effect specifically (not crits), and apply it to base cost, then make some cooldown to not make it infinite. That is a big problem imo, because you are stripping away the uniqueness of Artemis’s aspect with the full body block. As it is, Coat gives infinite but inconsistent blocks, to Artemis’s consistent but finite blocks. Making this change would be a problem. Respectfully, I disagree with this notion of improving Coat in this manner.

[orchid acorn]

what? how is it artemis but better? there is no additional reward

the reward is literally just you do the base omega attack as it is in the game?

"literally artemis" as in you hold omega attack > have barrier

end of artemis transfer

only difference is that it lasts while you omega attack instead of ending on hit

[polar abyss]

It is Artemis but better, because Artemis’s aspect is the crits, and the block. Applying Artemis barrier to Coat gives Coat Artemis’s block, and a whole other separate effect that is supposed to be on par with Artemis.

Like take Nyx for example. Nyx would get a fully invincible block, Omega Sprint, and constant Nightspawn. Artemis gets the block, and 9 chances at a crit.

[orchid acorn]

ah i understand the complaint now

honestly was arguing more from a base coat POV than considering aspects so thats fair criticism

[polar abyss]

Or Selene. An entire Godsent and hex, and you want to apply Artemis’s block feature to that

[orchid acorn]

(lowkey this is just more proof artemis needs more)

but yeah nyx + an artemis but better block would be crazy

[polar abyss]

All Artemis needs is to not have the crits be missable

[orchid acorn]

i'd say +1 crit to 10 total crits and that buff

or 12 total crits but still missable

[polar abyss]

As it stands, you get 4-5 chances of an Omega Attack crit based off of how it wants you to play

[fading knoll]

Also Coat block doesn't even suck

[polar abyss]

Though Artemis’s actual strategy from what I heard from unexplainedbacn is Special spam, because the first hit and returning hit have a chance to crit

18 crit chances in that regard doesn’t seem too bad.

Well, 18 crit chances assuming each Special blade doesn’t hit more enemies (a positive), or Miss (a negative)

[polar abyss]

How much have you used Coat block for high fear runs?

**I haven’t seen any of those runs (like the Nyx 65), and am genuinely curious, not trying to argue

[fading knoll]

A fair bit
Not rlly on Nyx because doing an omega other than boost on Nyx is a waste of time but block feels super good on Selene/Shiva

[polar abyss]

Have there been any inconsistencies?

[limpid oar]

I think the block works like fine now, I just dislike it

[polar abyss]

Because I think that was the thing I hear a lot about. Artemis has like… 2-4 unblockable attacks, and Coat has several more.

[fading knoll]

I mean there are unlockable moves in the game but for the most part they are very intuitive
There are not that many this patch

[polar abyss]

I see.

Also probably doesn’t help that 1. I don’t think there’s a list of how well Coat blocks (I don’t think the wiki would be accurate, and there’s no forum for the speedrun discord), and 2. Very few “high level players” use Coats that aren’t Nyx.

Coat is the second least played for 50+ (Axe has 1 less than it)

[neon isle]

#server-roles is this useful

[polar abyss]

Dyno has the roles back, so you can put feedback in again

**or get the role now if you didn’t before

[neon isle]

oh ic

ive been under the impression role bots were obsolete since discord has it baked in

[heavy nova]

which weapons do you guys think ares attack is best on? i know it's not necessarily meta on any but i'm curious how the +50 power shakes out in practice and whether it ultimately benefits fast weapons the most

[turbid mist]

in the current game can the three fates be saved

or is that part of the full release

[elfin forge]

i think descura

pair that with vampire hammer

[heavy nova]

descura makes a lot of sense honestly, and that's also cool cuz i always want more ways to make descura attack better

[unreal temple]

Nope, that's for full release

Anything regarding what happens after finishing a run is what's comming on that version

[elfin forge]

even meeting olympians?

[unreal temple]

Yes you can't quite reach the Olympus palace yet

[turbid mist]

i was on a solid run and dio's mystery health boon screwed me so hard

[elfin forge]

honestly i dont buy all of them being busy with fodder while we fight typhoon alone

[unreal temple]

I'm assuming we'll see something about that on the palace

[elfin forge]

i also feel like the devs really hate hades, in h1 he gets berated a lot, in h2 he's a prisoner thats so bad

[polar abyss]

I feel like that’s the point though. Hades is a multifaceted character. He has to deal with his ‘brats’ / brothers, the complicated mess that is the Olympians, and of course all the nonsense of the underworld that he chose / was given. The first game discusses his triumphs and failings, and emphasize that he is not perfect but not evil. This second game seems to be steered towards covering the Olympians as a whole, though what message that’ll send I’m not sure.

[elfin forge]

yeah but he's not getting the proper apreciation/hype he should get a major rule in ending things at the full game otherwise he's washed up

i mean he's the big brother

[polar abyss]

We don’t know what the final story of Hades 2 will be though

[hybrid gulch]

We don't have the true ending yet. No reason to assume he won't be a major part of it

[polar abyss]

Like there are ideas, but we don’t know.

[unreal temple]

Yeah it's too early to jump into that conclusion

[hybrid gulch]

And to be fair, Hades himself was given a TON of personal growth throughout both games. It's been especially nice to see in H2 in his little talks with Melinoe. You can sense the anguish he feels at having missed her life so far

[unreal temple]

In fact we're very soon to the 1.0 release and we still cannot gift Hades anything which does mean that he'll be expanded significantly

[hybrid gulch]

While I'm excited to see what's in store for Hades, the real prize will be when we can finally pet Cerberus

[turbid mist]

is hades the only person we can't gift in this version

[unreal temple]

Hades and Hypnos

[hollow lily]

https://tenor.com/view/caesar-anthonio-zeppeli-jo-jos-bizarre-mad-angry-pissed-gif-15097694

HARU URARA IS DEAD

[proud swift]

If there isn't a Zagreus keepsake in 1.0 then we will riot.

[prisma monolith]

i know it wont

[hybrid gulch]

kind of depends on how they classify keepsakes. The notes on what 1.0 will add are a bit ambiguous in that they say no new "encounters, abilities, and so on" but they will "polish and refine" all the content already introduced, including boons/powers/artwork/story events

[proud swift]

I think we will definitely get keepsakes for Hades and maybe Cerberus, especially since the Cerberus keepsake from Hades 1 gave +50 health and none of the keepsakes we have right now give max health.

[buoyant matrix]

dyno was killed and resurrected huh

[hybrid gulch]

I honestly have no idea what to expect with 1.0. We all have our wishlists, and I truly hope most people get what they want

[mossy shuttle]

Doggo?

[hybrid gulch]

Doggo

[proud swift]

Doggo.

[merry whale]

long as they fix anchors and autoseekers ignoring hitstun even without yellow heart

even the sky dragon warden ignored hitstun for a bit

[sleek oar]

Ive lowkey been thinking wed get a keepsake from mom dad and zag, but maybe that might be coping a bit

[buoyant matrix]

i still think the old house of hades cast won't have a prominent role in 1.0

[sleek oar]

I think the likes of than/meg/achilles wont, but we’re surely to get family quality time right

[torpid sky]

it's coping

[molten obsidian]

6 updates in one day, you know what it means for tomorrow ☝️

[torpid sky]

we're getting Hades, Hypnos, and the Fates

[sleek oar]

Ill still hold out for zag, itd be cool

[buoyant matrix]

the update from 4 hours ago seems important

it has "BuildLabel=beta" in it

and also updates the executable

safe to assume that 1.0 is officially complete and they're just play testing now

[molten obsidian]

was already completed the day they uploaded by "mistake" the achievements 😂

[buoyant matrix]

no they were definitely just testing something but screwed up

[unreal temple]

Maybe they'll reveal the release date this week

[hybrid gulch]

There is a ton of speculation in this channel but one of the more compelling theories I've seen recently is that they'll announce on the 17th, the release date of H1

[vestal kayak]

Maybe not the house, but Mel is doing all this for her family so I think they'll have an important role

[buoyant matrix]

no they'll announce on the 12th at the nintendo direct that they'll be releasing on the 17th

[hybrid gulch]

SO SAYETH...PIZZAPEPPERONI

[orchid acorn]

they DID say learn more later this year in the direct like 5 months ago

but that could mean literally anything from "game coming later" or "we'll have another direct"

[lyric matrix]

If they don't drop it during the direct or "later today" it'll definitely be a date announcement.
Rogue-sure

[unreal temple]

They'll also add Mario as a cameo

[buoyant matrix]

the 17th is better for me because by then only four days will be left of my vacation

if it drops on the 12th I'll have to completely avoid this server for like 8 days

[lyric matrix]

So then if they don't it's because they hate you specifically

[buoyant matrix]

yeah

[lyric matrix]

That checks out. Statistically speaking ONE of them has to hate pepperoni on their pizza

[hybrid gulch]

they are definitely choosing the release date based on pizza preferences, it just makes sense

[sleek oar]

Pepperoni on pizza is like ok

But i feel like prosciutto fits better

[hybrid gulch]

like, literally fits, or you like the taste better?

[short raft]

Is this exodia? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/616845281140408355/1415100273893969981/image.png?ex=68c1fa54&is=68c0a8d4&hm=b5f72bacd684b1c94bfba2ecc78bc21e0ae0f8e46d4ef9acd8a92f61a0246094&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=771&height=480

[urban topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/endgame-avengers-hawkeye-clint-barton-dont-give-me-hope-gif-15254733

[buoyant matrix]

freezer makes it so you're unable to inflict scorch for a short duration

so imo the build would've been better with a juicy pyro instead of freezer

[buoyant matrix]

check steamdb yourself!

[short raft]

pyro?

[urban topaz]

I've checked

[buoyant matrix]

pyro technique, hestia boon that makes scorch tick faster

[urban topaz]

Dunno anything about data but looks important indeed

[buoyant matrix]

it turns hestia from a decent damage source to a run winning damage source

[short raft]

Ah, lol anyway boss died in 12 seconds

[orchid acorn]

they kinda sorta fixed that i think

nvm that was cold storage + fb

[elfin heron]

how % damage do crits do

[broken glen]

It’s either +200% or +300% right

[hearty fog]

Crits triple damage. I think it happens pretty late in damage calculation, so you're never running into a scenario like tripling a low base damage weapon and then adding % based on the initial damage.

[broken glen]

So +200%

[hearty fog]

Yup.

[crude dragon]

IIRC, the only thing that happens after it is Air Quality

[orchid acorn]

AQ is the literal last thing yeah

[rustic mesa]

if not the 17th (it'd be poetic) i think early -mid october is a good bet

just in time for halloween

[mystic storm]

Whats with Narcisus trinket not working?

I drank from a fountain and it didnt had any effect

[hearty fog]

The +20% heal is every fountain, it will only rarify a Common boon once.

[mystic storm]

So, it didnt rarified any of my boons

[idle crater]

did you have any common boons?

[mystic storm]

Oh, it has to be a common boon?

[idle crater]

yea

[mystic storm]

I'm pretty sure it worked on rare ones before, weird

https://tenor.com/view/mourinho-anotando-gif-13170429939831007893

[short raft]

Is Zeus Cast bad or is there something im not seen?

[humble urchin]

Zeus cast is one of the best (probably considered top 3) damaging casts

in most cases the top 3 are most likely zeus, poseidon and hestia cast

[short raft]

but it is single target lol

[hearty fog]

Yeah, but it's really good single target damage.

[short raft]

whats to say, the math per cast damage per s

[hearty fog]

I'm not much of a hard numbers guy, I play more by feel, but a number of real turbo nerds here who have crunched the numbers put it in top DPS for Casts.

A lot of Zeus's boons play into Air Quality, and there's a few other Olympians who have some moves that hit multiple times per second. Common Storm Ring and Arctic Gale is something like 10 or more hits per second and Air Quality raises the floor of that damage immensely.

Or you can more directly buff Storm Ring and the damage will come through as well.

[humble urchin]

Hestia is a much better aoe damage option, Zeus cast is very high single target DPS

[humble urchin]

decent rarity on storm ring and getting double strike on it is already a ton of damage

add furies damage, get some curse effects for origination and it shreds

[vast coyote]

I don’t think I get Anubis, how do u play with it?

[hearty fog]

Drop your Attack field and Cast on top of each other, spam your Specials to drag enemies into it.

[vast coyote]

Ahhhhhhh

Thanks, I was so confused

[orchid acorn]

it has always required, and stated, common boon

[covert badge]

why cherished refreshes rarify but not phial

[orchid acorn]

honestly half convinced thats a bug they just never fixed

or rather made a feature

cause they fixed leveling it up mid biome refreshing the rarify

[gaunt glacier]

ok so eternity is a godsend

[merry whale]

truth

[gaunt glacier]

momus can easily do 58, i just need to get good at the rivals fights

62 no idea yet, have never fought rivals chronos

[merry whale]

any thoughts on the rivals u've fought so far

[arctic fog]

They’re all great except for Prometheus which is bs

I hate you Prometheus

[gaunt glacier]

hecate is fine, sirens is hot garbage and needs significant nerfs, cerb is good, chronos looks really annoying

[arctic fog]

You’re right the sirens are also incredibly annoying

[orchid acorn]

mini did you play cerb pre nerf at all

[buoyant matrix]

savestating the fight is nigh necessary

[orchid acorn]

with the lava spawns + other attack patenrs

was somehow more cancer then sirens

[arctic fog]

I feel that base Hecate becomes way too easy in the late game which is understandable bc she was designed with fresh, underequipped players in mind but UR Hecate is more cracked than current UR Cerberus

Maybe I need to turn off frenzy

She has the steepest difficulty increase

UR Prometheus is annoying but that that’s because he’s a tanky hell for half the weapons in the game

Drinking a homemade latte and it’s actually good 🥹

[indigo cypress]

The only complaints I have w the rivals boss fights rn:

• Hecate existing mainly as a time gate w one of the worst regions and also involving some luck hexes and Witches grouping/splitting up
• Charybdis projectiles when not the featured artist
• Cerb's attacks sometimes canceling each other on frenzy creating fake explosion indicators
• Chronos Deep Dissent being op + Chronos mixups w bubble if you attack him during the opening instakills
• Poly is perfectly balanced, even if that puts him on the "easy" side
• Eris being a joke outside of timer gate if ai boss patterns decides to be rude or if you're dependent on DoT with curse cleanse
• Heracles phase 2 projectiles not being telegraphed well
• Typhon egg/ring rng + the attack where he just drops things randomly on stage + phase 4 being disproportionately too long w/o hp being viewable

And then ofc just the general issue that they don't reward channeling enough bc of the constant need to be moving

[little mason]

Is 1.0 out yet?

[oak ivy]

Yes

[orchid acorn]

not for you

[glossy shadow]

Is there any particular reason to stack chaos talent (use less mana) buffs? My embryo gave me 50% and I have opportunity to take off another 45%

I already see the downside of hex buildup delays

[orchid acorn]

doesn't it also reduce the mana cost of the hex?

[glossy shadow]

🤩 I hadn't paid attention since before unseen but back then it didnt

[orchid acorn]

or am imagining it, i swear it used to

[glossy shadow]

I noticed +70% special and my skull is hungry tho

[orchid acorn]

I don't really know how to fix erebus at higher fears tbh

i REALLY don't want to lose a room in erebus, but thats like the cleanest solution? Unless they do some funky stuff like guarantee at least 3 skips on separate rooms between arachne/artemis/nem/midshop/fountain i don't really know how to make erebus not cancer on timer.

Debatably you might fix hecate with a single phase change at 50% so less invuln downtime but idk

[glossy shadow]

More HP and no invuln, she can teleport 5% more often if that helps balance

[orchid acorn]

i think that lowkey is worse

people HATE the teleporting on all the bosses.

I'd rather more deadly clones with less teleporting

once you identify the right clone you should have a like 15 sec window of belt to ass

[little mason]

Just get to her faster

[indigo cypress]

Dependent on aspect/build if you have that option

[spiral isle]

bubble mixups seem fine... does make him kinda time-gate heavy though, with the start of phase 2 and 3 making him nigh intangible

[indigo cypress]

Honestly even for casual play it's annoying since it solely exists to troll players who try to damage Chronos during the first instakill since they had no problem trying to phase during the normal fight and there's no indication doing so will get you killed

Like it's actually how I (and assume a lot of players) died to Rivals Chronos for the 1st time, and my only reaction was "Damn I just got gimmicked"

[little mason]

I Cant imagine being so bad at a game...

[indigo cypress]

And at high fear it still annoys me but it's not as bad as the timer gating w surface Chronos

[orchid acorn]

everythings a gimmick the first time

in hades 1 i died after "beating" dad the first time just for him to phase 2 spawn a wave of fire around his body

does it suck that i dashed forward and got time bubbled yeah. but honestly thats on me for using strength

[spiral isle]

I get that. it sorta depends on how invested on the run you were, but it is funny for the first time
I can't comment on high fear, but I think the time sink might not be that bad? I haven't watched the first successful max fear run yet, furthest I've seen was dying to cerb
sgg definitely knew people were gonna do exactly that against rivals chronos. that much is certain

[indigo cypress]

Unless you fully put down the controller I think there's a huge difference between hp refill after dialogue and time bubble into instakill 😭

[indigo cypress]

It's not a huge time sink just doesn't fit w the theme of the game encouraging and rewarding optimizing play for speed

UW is pretty balanced time-wise except for Erebus

[merry whale]

@lavish fractal

[orchid acorn]

on average you get to hecate with like 1:30 to fight her give or take 30s

[indigo cypress]

And then Surface has the opposite issue where the time issue is mainly on Olympus

[orchid acorn]

considering its like 10 seconds of invulnerability per phase, its really only like 1 minute to beat her unless you got some juiced encounters

theres a reason why people really want timer skips in erebus

[merry whale]

i think time issue is primarily consolidated into olympus

[spiral isle]

oh, I meant for chronos

[indigo cypress]

Damn no thumbs up for you ig

[spiral isle]

hecate and scylla on a time limit is so rough

and then cerb if you get bad maps

[indigo cypress]

Oops my bad I meant Olympus

[merry whale]

eh it's fine tbh i'm satisfied LOL

[orchid acorn]

when your feedback is so bad not even styxbot can support it

[merry whale]

ok max hordes npc enjoyer

[orchid acorn]

😭

[merry whale]

maybe styxbot down cuz they releasing tmr (delusional)

[orchid acorn]

anyway @ the mods instead so they can manually thumb you

and get the usual response of "Thanks for letting us know

[merry whale]

i could but i also don't feel like it

maybe i'll keep my one feedback thumbless

[indigo cypress]

What if somebody does it for you 😈

[merry whale]

https://tenor.com/view/heart-attack-toby-fox-annoying-dog-fox-fall-gif-846425354478098151

legit i'm actually feeling indifferent bout it now cuz 1.0's prob on the horizon so doubt they'd consider that last minute lol

[orchid acorn]

this is is my mood and why i've laid off most feedback

[merry whale]

(or have already considered it)

[orchid acorn]

if it aint a simple numerical change atp its cooked

or like... literally deleting one line of code like excluding the hidden helix from eos

since it works... kinda if you cheat it in

[merry whale]

idk why eos can't use hidden helix of all things lmao

[orchid acorn]

probably bugs since it is kinda finicky

iirc when i used it a few weeks ago only one thing got 3 specials

i forget if it was you or the daybreaker

[merry whale]

ah i see

[indigo cypress]

I think even when it did work the daybreaker didn't copy the second

Still dumb reason to nuke it 😭

[merry whale]

dw they'll put hidden helix on normal mel flame so now it's locked from all other aspects

[indigo cypress]

Then I could stop needing to fish for it

I can't settle for Whirling one more time

[merry whale]

whirling is thankfully still really good

but yea hidden is just cracked lol, it's like trick knives for mel flame

[indigo cypress]

Pronto what are you gonna do if 1.0 releases and it somehow has hammer reroll

A mod to remove it?

[merry whale]

vow of bad: each reroll primes your hp

[buoyant matrix]

what if i drop the reroll corner for unseen and excellence huh how about that

[merry whale]

finally excellence meta

east will be pleased to hear this

[orchid acorn]

abuse it

same logic as posessed array or medea, its in the game and players can use it

i highly doubt it will get added in the first place, but even in the small chance it does - it would be baffled if it had normal rules pricing and scaling

[buoyant matrix]

hammer rerolling will not be added

but i hope they kill trick knives and mega buff the base blades

[orchid acorn]

something like a fates keepsake that lets you reroll a hammer once, up to 3 hammers this night is possible but still unlikely.

just overall i highly doubt any hammer reroll but sgg has shown they have moved on from hades 1 points they were steadfast on

such as seed rerolling

[buoyant matrix]

"gain three dice, once this night you may reroll your hammer of daedalus"

could be a decent fates keepsake

[orchid acorn]

problem with that is that dice are useless

[buoyant matrix]

only if you're not running champions or enchantress

[orchid acorn]

correct, which is still possible

Dice do quite literally nothing unless you have those arcana equipped

[buoyant matrix]

well it's also possible to get the fates from judgement without having champions or enchantress

[orchid acorn]

meta wise its a ???? decision to NOT have at least one if not both on

[indigo cypress]

Lowkey just move Charon well to basekit and it solves the issue

[orchid acorn]

and thats a completely RNG decision out of your hands, not something you can willingly opt into and trap yourself in

[buoyant matrix]

if you don't have rerolls you just take it for hammer, if you do have them then you get 2 extra dice as a treat

[indigo cypress]

Also like idk if we can say Chaos keepsake rng is a justification for every keepsake always needing to have a use if you can get Circe keepsake region 4

[orchid acorn]

another issue here is that your not guaranteed a hammer when you take this, unless you are giving it the god keepskae text to force a hammer asap

another issue here is that you are just alllowing rerolls with an entirely new system, and artificially gating it to once despite getting 3 dice which should allow 2, if not 3 if you got 3 hammers and reolled once for all 3

[merry whale]

3 hammers is crazy when it's basically locked to artificier/echo bug lmao, 4-rank would be crazy to maximize value

[orchid acorn]

its more about finding something that lets the rank up actually be numerical

which is a massive gate for keepsake design space

[merry whale]

why not just let it give 1/2/3/4 rerolls, then u can use them on non-hammers but also hammers

(or 1/2/3/4 rerolls specifically for hammer)

[orchid acorn]

reason i went against that is because then it allows you to reroll one specific hammer twice or more with existing rerolls

which is incredibly broken as hell

one reroll alone is still OP but i mean at least it has some gate

[buoyant matrix]

i genuinely don't understand why these are all so bad

[orchid acorn]

and a single reroll to help with "i just got offered all specials wtf" instead of "im going to spend 14 dice digging for trick knives"

[merry whale]

they should make it so echo can also proc on hammers to further narrow down options (trust)

this will not backfire on axe

[indigo cypress]

I mean lowkey hammer reroll is something they should've done at the beginning of EA instead of continuing to rely on it as a crutch

[buoyant matrix]

"hell splitter hell splitter hell splitter"

[orchid acorn]

1st one is a problem cause you are taking a keepsake and then getting zero value from it, unless you are making it stay the entire run ala fig leaf or moon

2nd one is an issue for consistency

[indigo cypress]

So even tho I'm in favor of some type of hammer change it would be weird to introduce it at the very end and not actually fix the core issue of hammer balance being ass

[buoyant matrix]

i literally said "once this night" not "once this region"

[orchid acorn]

ngl i just can't read

[buoyant matrix]

and for the only one reroll part, it's like the other timed keepsakes that have a little counter at the bottom

put it on 1 and when you do your reroll make it 0

[indigo cypress]

What about as simple as up rerolling 1/2/3 of the hammer choices upon single-use (with it being ineligible for rank 4)

[orchid acorn]

it needs to have a rank 4.

[indigo cypress]

That way it's truly a "use this when no other options keepsake"

[merry whale]

tbh tru i'd love to actually see stronger hammer variety rather than having like one standout hammer that defines every build ever

[orchid acorn]

well. i mean theoretically you can just not have a rank 4 and say "screw this trinket in particular" like narcissus

[buoyant matrix]

rerolling a single offered option would probably need them to make an entire new system

[orchid acorn]

but thats pretty ass design

vial is at least interesting design space where you can't really make it level 4 without a complete rework

[merry whale]

+3/+5/+7/+9 levels

ig it'd not work for hermes

[orchid acorn]

making something heroic AND giving it 7 poms are you high

[merry whale]

oh i mean replacing heroic LOL

[indigo cypress]

Blitz ab to go off

[orchid acorn]

lowkey

just forcing heroic and 1/2/3/4 poms would be good

[merry whale]

idk that's already bridal glow

[buoyant matrix]

ephyra reset hell

keep rerolling seed until you start common blitz

[orchid acorn]

and this isn't just worse bridal glow now?

• can only rarify commons, not any boon
• no poms

[merry whale]

tru

[orchid acorn]

• can't be sold for gold

[merry whale]

they should just put current natural selection on phial

[orchid acorn]

• is a keepsake not a boon

yeah screw it go full 4fun

1/2/3/4 common boons to heroic

[indigo cypress]

Wouldn’t that result in the same outcome of being able to 8pom your first core boon in Ephyra 💀

[buoyant matrix]

reset hell!!

[indigo cypress]

I guess you don't get the rarity increase tho

[merry whale]

high roll divinity

[indigo cypress]

Also like the god keepsakes don't work w rank 4 anyways so the issue wouldn't stop w fixing phial 💀

Plus some keepsakes' ranks 4 aren't practically useable anyways despite existing

[orchid acorn]

<@&456908176877551658> styx bot broken pls help ty

ty aggy

[indigo cypress]

Rip ig Pronto killed u 😔

[merry whale]

damn

tbh i was being completely ironic w phial changes, i think phial's perfectly fine as is

also what happened to not feedbacking

i say as i already have a feedback in mind

[orchid acorn]

it brainwormed me

[limpid oar]

Happy h2 release day chat

[orchid acorn]

and i don't think i ever actually make feedback about phial level 4 outside of generalized "CH level 4s suck reee"

[orchid acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/delusional-delusion-cat-cats-gif-17700801504121382466

[devout abyss]

the hell are you pink

thats different from what im used to

GRAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh

[orchid acorn]

they fixed the role bot

so i switched it up