artist-lounge

[brittle fable]

but Y'all keep arguing

[past badger]

just walk away next time and report to mod

[elfin prism]

[lucid talon]

im just tryna post my art but it got flooded away so i might repost

[past badger]

go ahead, whatever isnt arguing trying to fight to use racist term

end of discussion, back to scheduled topic

[lucid talon]

Now back to your regularly scheduled program.
Repost because the original kinda got flooded away;

WIP fanart for requinn

[rare cosmos]

The fuck happened here?

[fervent cliff]

Accidentally the politics topic went here in artists room

[brittle fable]

It's not politics

but stop talking about that

[brittle fable]

Pin you want me to DM the situation?

[rare cosmos]

Suuuuurrrrrreeee?

Well to try and pull it back towards art.
Do you guys think I should put extra flowers (Little red things) on the forearm of this arm cannon thing? I've been debating it for a bit and I'm not sure
(Green things are vines)

[unique flame]

kronshtadt in a (????) wip

[turbid oracle]

wait can i post my edits here

[fervent cliff]

[rare cosmos]

Oh boy, I just realized....
Next I gotta start drawing the enemy sprites, which means i gotta hand draw some shit.
And you guys thought my pixel art was bad

[shell cypress]

[rare cosmos]

I draw a hand drawn sketch first before doing it in pixel art when I start with nothing.
Helps me get the shape I want down.

Problem is my hand drawing is somehow worse

[fervent cliff]

No we're not

I mean pixel art is hard and you can do it so good

[rare cosmos]

[fervent cliff]

[rare cosmos]

Thanks

Last time I did a hand drawn sketch of a weapon was for this thing

Let me see if I still have the sketch

[fervent cliff]

[rare cosmos]

It looks much better in Pixel

Took me forever though cuz that stupid rose at the end was a pain to draw

[warm ingot]

[fervent cliff]

Lood 😳

[lucid talon]

Pantsu spotted

[scarlet crest]

what do you guys do for practice when you have no inspiration for things to draw?

i've been doing gestures but i wanna know if there's something else i can do to practice

[potent orbit]

i jsut do poses/thumbnails since when a cool one rolls up i just use it

[warm ingot]

same, i have a big canvas of random pose sketches and rough ideas that put down when i think of any

if i feel lacking of ideas or anything, i just go consult that

[scarlet crest]

i have a bunch of cosplays saved that i usually try to sketch but it's too hard to find one i wanna try

[lucid talon]

Listening to music gives me inspiration

Artcore is great for inspiration

[scarlet crest]

i didn't know this was a genre

mix of classical and j-electro? i love classical

what type of stuff do you sketch while listening to music, getting started is so difficult

[lucid talon]

I can’t

The only time I sketch is when I’m preparing to make a finished artwork

[dusty tiger]

what songs would you recommend to someone thats never heard of that genre?

[near hatch]

abiogenesis juggernaut

technoplanet redshift extended ver

[stiff mesa]

techno opera. try Majesty from Apashe

[fervent cliff]

Just looking the arts of my favorite artists to motivate myself

[silver briar]

I just realised I got the Cape of Good Hope and Cape Horn mixed up, sorry.

[fervent cliff]

damn

that shading

how to learn this kind of power

[warm ingot]

personally, i did a lot of experimenting with different methods and tried out some different brushes, but most importantly referencing other people's stuff

i.e. how the colors blend, what kind of colors they use, the hardness/softness of shadows etc

[lucid talon]

SASUGA REQUINN

Immaculate tittage

im gonna try some different shading methods too

[warm ingot]

🙏

[calm karma]

thats a combination of words i never thought id see, and i like it

[calm karma]

In lieu of doing any new drawings in months, I decided to redo one of my older ones

[sullen juniper]

is this already the redo or is this the old one (show comparision)

[sullen juniper]

oooh nice

[velvet hound]

how do i send pictures?

[sullen juniper]

u need lil artist role

check pins

[velvet hound]

thanks

[minor oak]

What colour do I use for skin I only got 24 colours

[sullen juniper]

well

what colors do u have

[lucid talon]

duotone is a great option if you have limited color choices

but its a bit difficult

(I suck at coloring)

[sullen juniper]

i mean you could choose the color you used near the nose

[golden anvil]

that face looks really

[normal scroll]

@sinful reef @sullen juniper cause I want laffey to see it too

[sinful reef]

You did well

[normal scroll]

Not done yet

But thanks

[sullen juniper]

swat?

[normal scroll]

Oh wow you kinda got it right

[sullen juniper]

hmmm what else could it be

payday?

[normal scroll]

No it's more of a tactical casual

[sullen juniper]

oooh

[normal scroll]

Not from a game

[sullen juniper]

nice nice

[normal scroll]

[sullen juniper]

[sullen juniper]

[untold crypt]

old drawing, maybe I’ll post more, we’ll see

[velvet orbit]

Practice sketch of JS Kaga, don’t mind my horrible exoskelton attempt.

Left carrier deck is Kaga (DDH-184), right is WW2 Kaga deck.

I hate drawing riggings or exoskeletons because I never get proportions correct.

[normal scroll]

Ooo looks nice

[normal scroll]

That too

[silver briar]

I've made another ship, her name is ESF Cape of Good Hope (CA-362).

[untold crypt]

thank you :v

[normal scroll]

Oh wow very nice

[velvet orbit]

JS Kaga (DDH-184) without tails lel

Should I add the tails in?

[fervent cliff]

[sullen juniper]

that spaceship reminds me of my starwars stickmen wars i drew in class in elementary school

[normal scroll]

Ello kazz

[near hatch]

drawing since elementary school 🙇

[normal scroll]

Nice

[fervent cliff]

Hello

[south plover]

[stiff mesa]

where have i seen this power before

[shell cypress]

Pearce the Heavens with your Drill!!111

[silver briar]

Thanks.

[velvet hound]

thoughts on so far?

[fervent cliff]

O forgor the shades

[warm ingot]

something about the proportions of her torso and legs feel off, but also kinda hard to discern with so many straight lines with unorganized weights

[velvet hound]

im not that great at body

[warm ingot]

hm, it would help a lot to draw a body first, then put the clothes over it

[velvet hound]

i did

[warm ingot]

ah, then i guess some more practice with bodies, and using references to help

[warm ingot]

happy friday

[untold crypt]

maybe try to flip the image

if it looks off-balance, something is wrong

[lucid talon]

MOFU MOFURAIDAY

LES GO

maybe ill have mine done today too

[warm ingot]

[lucid talon]

that is, if i can get the shading right

[light flint]

on behalf of the #artist-lounge, i demand you make the fluffiest 9 tailed fox in existence, if you havent already

the one true mofumofuraiday

[warm ingot]

i haven't

[lucid talon]

9 tailed fox....

megamofu....

[normal scroll]

Huh

[limber harbor]

How do I post my art here

It's not allowing me to

Did I do something wrong?

[golden anvil]

Check pins

But tldr is you need to self assign yourself a role

[limber harbor]

Oh got it

[golden anvil]

[limber harbor]

Thanks

Ok sweet I can post now

I got this one of kaga

And a work in progress for atago (I'll fix the face)

[untold crypt]

drawing riggings is painful

also gn

[limber harbor]

It looks great so far, keep it up! And good night to you too

[untold crypt]

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGGHTT

[normal scroll]

Ooooo

Your good at drawing

[fervent cliff]

😳

[verbal sequoia]

KYUUT!

[normal scroll]

Ooo

[fervent cliff]

🔪🗡️

[normal scroll]

I forgot I made this

[burnt nova]

you already add it

[burnt nova]

cool, a date kaga XD

[fervent cliff]

Lmao

Freddy Fazbear has been deployed

[light flint]

Samurai Fred

[fervent cliff]

[light flint]

"When you get the urge to kiss and your best friend is right there" -Nekomata Okayu

[potent orbit]

deon
https://twitter.com/carbor_da/status/1510070570280497152?s=20&t=305u_NYqEbuYPSbZKDZsWQ

Carbor (@carbor_da)

[REDACTED]
#digitalart #OC #originalcharacter #NewProfilePic

Twitter · Apr 2, 2022, 1:44 AM

[limber harbor]

Fixed the face a little by moving some parts and making the eye tilt a bit more to the right and made them slightly closer, how does it look?

[half ferry]

what hfhausfhas

[fervent cliff]

[half ferry]

No

[hardy basalt]

[limber harbor]

Once I'm done with atago I wanna try draw etheir enterprise's new outfit touring the colessium in Rome but I also wanna draw Tirpitz in Dante's jacket

[tender mortar]

Shitpost because why not

Plus points for you if you get the joke

[fervent cliff]

[drifting narwhal]

Why is it that things without lineart are always so bruh

[drifting narwhal]

I'm done

[limber harbor]

That's is adorable, I love how smug akagi looks, keep it up!

[velvet orbit]

Almost finished with this stupid scene I worked on

What the continuation was

[drifting narwhal]

Best thing I ever created

[oak star]

Noice

[normal scroll]

Man tbh reaper cloaks are kina pain to draw

[untold crypt]

Hmmm this channel feels a lot different now

[fervent cliff]

Booba

Damn that shading

[warm ingot]

Well, a very good majority of people who used to post here no longer do, or just lurk w/e

[quiet monolith]

[stiff mesa]

[hardy basalt]

[normal scroll]

What going on

[limber harbor]

Colouring this is going to be a pain in my ass

[fervent cliff]

[limber harbor]

Help me

[quiet monolith]

?

[warm ingot]

with?

[limber harbor]

Oh sorry for late reply i was doing something

The lighting

There are multiple lanterns and lights around the background

I know the direction of light but it's where I placed the shaded areas

I'll talk more about it later, I'm a bit busy rn

[limber harbor]

Alright so the direction of light is going from the right side of the screen

But there are also multiple sources of light in the background

I have a general idea on what to do but I'm sort of struggling to do it

To be more specific, where I shade and how much do I shade

[elfin prism]

Paper lanterns as such are typically very dim, so the light will be more diffused in this case. There should be no light coming from the right, as Atago is approaching the temple... unless it's lit, which it typically isn't at this part. Full moon tends to be quite bright, though.

[limber harbor]

I see

[elfin prism]

The light sources might be multiple, but they don't give off direct light; it's more about creating atmosphere.

[limber harbor]

Oh ok

[elfin prism]

In the end, it's up to you how you want to present it.

[limber harbor]

So I shouldn't be too worried about the lantern's light?

We I should but

It shouldn't really affect atago

[elfin prism]

They technically shouldn't be able to lit the scene as much.

[limber harbor]

Alright

Thanks!

I'll keep that in mind

Anything else that I should be considering?

[elfin prism]

There was enough similar AL artwork during new year events, you might check this out for reference if you're interested to see how different artists tackled that particular problem.

[limber harbor]

Alright

Ive been looking a lot at the Chinese New year art

I know it's. A Japanese shrine but it just how certain festive lights work

Thanks again

[elfin prism]

That aside, I think you're doing a pretty good job in overall but you're still lacking solid foundation in terms of proper drawing - shapes and anatomy. As far as I can tell, everything looks quite skewed. I assume you're doing lots of freehand?

[limber harbor]

May I ask what that means?

Oh you mean

Doing the drawing straight away

[elfin prism]

You might want to consider practicing more shapes and finding a proper spot for work. Don't draw in air or with tablet resting on your knees.

[limber harbor]

No, I do a lot of the sketching of the shapes and anatomy

Still practicing but I'm always looking to improve

[elfin prism]

Your lines aren't straight and precise where they should be and this affects the entire composition.

[limber harbor]

I don't know if it's important but I also flip my work to see inconsistencies

In this case I forgot to

[elfin prism]

That's a good trick, but unless you have a proper foundation to work on, it won't help you much in such case and might actually harm your work. Try to not rush things and don't half-ass them either. Geometry is strictly mathematical and perspective follows strict guidelines.

Do you use CSP?

[limber harbor]

Alright, I'll try to

What's a cap?

CSP?

[elfin prism]

Clip Studio

[limber harbor]

Oh no I don't have money for that

[elfin prism]

SAI or Photoshop?

[limber harbor]

I use Ibis

[elfin prism]

Oh

[limber harbor]

Is it not good or?

[elfin prism]

They are pretty similar in basics

[limber harbor]

I see

[elfin prism]

No, it's fine.

[limber harbor]

Got anymore tips I should consider?

[elfin prism]

Try to make use of geometrical tools if you're struggling with drawing things freehand.

[limber harbor]

I really want to get better

[elfin prism]

As for the anatomy, its a matter of lots of practice. You'll get there slowly. I presume you're young and started considering art seriously not that long ago, judging from your artwork. You might want to try and expand more on the foundation by doing lots of practice sketching. I know it might seem boring, but it's necessary if you want to consistently learn to draw human anatomy well and proper.

[limber harbor]

I see

I've only started digital art I think like 4 maybe 3?

[elfin prism]

you typically do that by splitting the body into parts and practicing them - on one day you do hands, on another legs and feet, the other you do torsos and heads the other one.

Just focus more on form, don't fret over details.

Every detailed structure or body part can be separated into simpler shapes

[limber harbor]

So like

For the head start with a. Circle?

Then a triangle shape for the chin?

[elfin prism]

Yeah, more like a bunch of circles - two precisely - but it depends on how you want to draw them

As such, to do that properly you need to learn how to draw proper circles

And thats the foundation

With time you will draw clean, straight lines and they will always go when you want them to go

Not where your hand "accidentally" makes them go

[limber harbor]

I see

[elfin prism]

All it takes is lots of practice

[limber harbor]

I'll work on that

I've been practicing other stuff

Like lighting, pretty much all the effects

Once I get the test and school stuff out the way

And finish work I'll practice my anatomy

Usually what I start with is a circle for the head then a trianglish shape for the chin

I depends on what character I do

[elfin prism]

You're already doing good enough imo, you just need proper practice

[limber harbor]

Then for the body I do an egg shape then put a line in the shape depending on where the collar bone is located

[elfin prism]

Obviously, if you're considering art seriously as your future endevaour

[limber harbor]

Not really

I just doing it as a hobby but I do want to do webtoons

[elfin prism]

Even if it's just for fun, you'll see a lot more progress if you will focus on expanding skills

[limber harbor]

So right now I'm doing it correctly I just need to work on it?

[elfin prism]

I'd say you jumped straight into deep water

It's not bad, but it means you will struggle a lot, especially in the beginning

Some people like it that way

I'd say its usually better to do simple b/w sketching and practice basic drawing skills until you get to a point where you can do it well, quick enough and without issues

[limber harbor]

That explains why I'm struggling a bit

[elfin prism]

As in, don't focus on full artwork - focus more on quicker, simpler character sketches; do a lot of figure drawing

it doesn't necessarily have to be boring - you can already try anime aesthetics, but you should definitely do lots of it

[limber harbor]

Alright

I've been trying some dynamic poses recently

[elfin prism]

you'll see fast results if you put effort into it

i'm telling you this from my own experience

[limber harbor]

Alright, I'll do my best! I'll keep practicing these. Just need to finish what I'm doing now

[elfin prism]

A lot of beginner artists struggle a ton because they lack guidance and often try out too much, instead of focusing on fundamentals first

Yeah, finish what you're doing now and focus on figure drawing

[limber harbor]

Alright, thanks for the tips

[elfin prism]

good luck

[limber harbor]

I'll keep all these in mind

Thank you

Have a nice day

I gtg do something rn

Life as a whole has been kicking my ass recently

Thanks again!

[elfin prism]

https://youtu.be/64H56v5oPyM

btw, I highly recommend this guy's channel

He is a great teacher and shows lots of practical implementations in terms of how to learn and what to do

And best of all, he actually shows you his way of work

[warm ingot]

I'll add to use references

when I started a little over a year ago, I just grabbed a bunch of art from an artist i liked and paid close attention to how they did things

over time i added more from different artists for different things (i.e. I like the way this guy colors, draws X, does Y, etc)

anecdotally, I only do this for hobby too, and I'm not really a big fan of doing studies and whatever myself, so I just put the study into the drawing

[limber harbor]

Oh hey that's what I do

I study a lot of artist art and see what things they apply to their art and how I can use it

Thats how I got into the habit part of the hair and making certain lines thicker which made my line art way better

[fervent cliff]

[warm ingot]

i did supplement it with reading/watching tutorials and stuff to get insight on how they may have approached something

[limber harbor]

Makes sense

[elfin prism]

I'd say a lot of people simply don't put in enough work into basic practice

[limber harbor]

I do that too but I don't have much time to watch those tutorials

[elfin prism]

They want to instantly get into the best parts of drawing and being a creative

[warm ingot]

but, referencing doesn't really address the matter of getting the basics, yeah

[elfin prism]

Referencing is very important

[limber harbor]

I mean don't we all?

The basics are very important and I really appreciated that you took the time to write all that

[elfin prism]

I've seen people telling others to skip referencing and just draw stuff from their heads

[warm ingot]

hmmm

[limber harbor]

Ok that's just a bad idea

I remember this Girl in my school who said that references are cheating

[elfin prism]

There's no more of a blatant lie

[limber harbor]

Irony is that she just got some other people's art and removed the signiture from theirs

[elfin prism]

We base everything we do off what we see around

[limber harbor]

And I can't point that out cause so will look like the bad person

Man she was a hassle

[warm ingot]

also here's what i mean, let's say you're wanting to reference this pose right?

[limber harbor]

Don't get me started

Alright go on

[warm ingot]

knowing the basic shapes of the body/anatomy would help you get a clearer picture of the pose, and also let you to make your own additions or w/e you wanna do based on it

[elfin prism]

Remember to be more precise, though. Each body part has it's own shape and structure and you shouldn't ever half-ass that.

[warm ingot]

that comes later, but yes

[quiet monolith]

doing a basic mannequin is a good way to start poses tho

[warm ingot]

ya thats what i'm saying

[quiet monolith]

the construction starts from those basic shapes

[limber harbor]

Wait question

If we want to do different body types

[quiet monolith]

then you add muscles and stuff after

[limber harbor]

Say like the heavy from tf2

Do we change certain parts of the anatomy?

[warm ingot]

that starts to become stylized, and yes

[elfin prism]

you need to know how things work and what overstylising means

[quiet monolith]

heavily stylized anatomy like that is a thing, but you do want to know the basics before you try doing that ig

[elfin prism]

But it's all about adjusting body parts, yes

[warm ingot]

it would definitely help

[quiet monolith]

once you sorta understand the basics you'll have a grasp on what adjustments to different parts will do, how the impression changes etc.

[elfin prism]

I can't stretch enough how important gesture drawing is for that

It not only trains your hand and perception, it allows you to create dynamic poses that flow naturally

[limber harbor]

I have learnt more in this discord channel then my art classes

[elfin prism]

that said, proportions are a little bit overwhelming to get into at first

[elfin prism]

haha

[limber harbor]

I do get advice from a few artist friends of mine

But honestly man

[elfin prism]

In all honesty, schooling is pretty much useless nowadays

[limber harbor]

I just them telling me to change my art style to theirs which is what I don't want

[quiet monolith]

i never had art class

[limber harbor]

Do get me wrong

They have good art but I don't want their art style you know?

[quiet monolith]

lmao I hate tryna push artstyles onto people

[warm ingot]

ya i've never done art classes either

[elfin prism]

And thats a good thing, but don't also hate yourself too much for wanting to be unique

Part of learning is that you mimick the artists you love and consider your mentors

[warm ingot]

just draw what you want and what you like, that way you stay motivated

[elfin prism]

Thats the way you learn things and try out new ways

With time, you will collect your own toolset and develop your own unique style

[quiet monolith]

don't fixate on creating a style, just try stuff out that you like

[elfin prism]

Experimenting a lot is a good way

Again, I think a lot of people just think there's only one "proper" way to get there and they want to get there ASAP

[quiet monolith]

and really style can change freely over time anyways

[elfin prism]

While in reality, it takes years just to become proficient with the skills

And about 10-15 more years to master them

And even then, you will keep learning, making mistakes and improving on them

[quiet monolith]

art is a marathon as they say

don't rush it

[limber harbor]

That's a marathon in willing to do

[elfin prism]

All it takes is to get addicted to running it

[limber harbor]

It a process and there are parts that made me wanna throw my pen at the nearest wall

Example trying to make the material on the kaga drawing dress look like the material

But over all

It really fun

[warm ingot]

i'd say its more of a nice hike, you'll get to the cool scenic view at the end, but at your own pace

[limber harbor]

And very rewarding after words

[warm ingot]

sometimes you'll wanna take a rest before going on, sometimes you got the energy and do a little jog or something

[limber harbor]

Here's my take on the art experience

[warm ingot]

the whole time you should be enjoying the hike

[limber harbor]

Its more like

For em atleast

It's like your building a staircase

[elfin prism]

Yeah, if you're forcing yourself there's not going to be that much out of it

[limber harbor]

Every piece of art you do slowly but surely moving up

Some of the steps are flat

Others just don't work

[elfin prism]

More like building a pyramid

[limber harbor]

But the more of them you make

The higher you get

Until finally

Your at the top

But why stop there

Keep going

That's my take

[limber harbor]

I see

Actually

[elfin prism]

Fundamentals make most of the base

[limber harbor]

That makes more sense tbh

[elfin prism]

And there's a lot to learn

[near hatch]

i wish i was good at art
but yes, when i feel like my drawing seem off it usually take me back to fundamental re practice

[warm ingot]

i've seen your stuff, its p good tbh

[limber harbor]

Don't beat yourself up

I haven't seen your art yet but I assure you

Your great at ut

[elfin prism]

To make things a little bit more positive, I'd say for most people there's a certain level in terms of learning how to draw. It takes from around one and a half to three years to master the basics and I'd say it's the most difficult part and one where majority of interested give up the most

[fervent cliff]

Nice! Keep it up!

[limber harbor]

I'm not satisfied with the stuff I make but that doesn't stop me from wanting to improve

Ayy thanks!

[limber harbor]

It's pretty much like every skill

[elfin prism]

After that it becomes much easier, although it does not mean you won't struggle

but it sort of naturally speeds up

[limber harbor]

How will you get better or any of the interesting stuff if you don't even start with the basics

Every skill including art requires discipline, practice and motivation

It easier said then done but when you put your mind into it

You will move up

[quiet monolith]

well you can do it, it's just gonna be really overwhelming to most people, and no progress will be made as a result

the starting without basics thing

[elfin prism]

I'd say every skill is around 60% hard dedication and the rest is actual work

[limber harbor]

I definitely agree with that

[warm ingot]

i started without basics

[limber harbor]

I been studying japanese for 2 years now and I kinda stop studying for a bit

[warm ingot]

my early stuff was not good

[limber harbor]

Cause ei don't have much time for it

Same case with working out

Not a lot of time for it

But I'm slowly getting back into it

[warm ingot]

also i went back through your stuff, tbh all you really need is confidence, you got some good stuff goin

[warm ingot]

I did japanese for awhile too, but i stopped cause i got work that was way too busy to keep up with practice, but i pretend my twitter is some japanese guy so i get the little practice there lmao

[limber harbor]

Speaking of which

@🍋

Can I see some of your art?

Wh to didn't that work

I don't use discord a whole lot

[quiet monolith]

[elfin prism]

I'd say in overall, it's about discipline and for that, you actually need to work on yourself first

[limber harbor]

Nice

[elfin prism]

you need to f*kin sit down and realize what you want to do. If art is your future, you cut out everything else, quit wasting your time and get to work.

[limber harbor]

I often interact with my jap followers in my insta

[elfin prism]

Simple as

[limber harbor]

Try kanji

I'm doing it as a hobby

[elfin prism]

Yes, but question is - are you serious about it

[limber harbor]

Yeah

[elfin prism]

Or more precisely - how serious you are about it

[limber harbor]

Give me a scale

[elfin prism]

A lot of the pros you know are actually hobbyists too

[quiet monolith]

it doesn't have to be like, your career goal to be something you're serious about

[elfin prism]

They do this in their spare time aside from their main job, which is as boring and average as you could imagine

[quiet monolith]

in fact from a realistic standpoint I would not count on making much money with art, as unfortunate as that may sound

[limber harbor]

I'd say

Pretty serious about it

[elfin prism]

It depends on many factors.

[limber harbor]

I don't see myself doing it as a career but you know

I really want it get better

[warm ingot]

hm, yeah I know a few people who'd very much like to commission me, but i don't think doing it for money is sustainable for me, and risks turning the fun into work

[near hatch]

i started drawing with mostly mainly a line practice, line weight, line quality, free hand drawing of circle curve and straight line, hatching, pencil rendering, free hand geometry shape and form, free hand perspective and contour line before actually start drawing anything

[near hatch]

ym art bad

[elfin prism]

I'd say a good way for hobbyists is to continue as usual, but treat their hobby with respect and dedication. Continue doing it, get a job and in the future - especially when you get better and opportunities arise - you may consider quitting your daily job to pursue that art career 100%

Having a job supports your hobby!

[limber harbor]

Dude stop saying that

Let me see it

[quiet monolith]

you can check their twitter

it's in their discord profile

[limber harbor]

Alright

One sec

[quiet monolith]

it really ain't bad at all tho, what makes you think that?

[limber harbor]

Excuse me?

[elfin prism]

Haha

[limber harbor]

You made that!?

[near hatch]

i dont have finished work sadly
there is this one problem i have been trying to fix
its not because im lazy or anything
i dont even know why

[limber harbor]

That's amazing

I can't check it now cause I'm in public but dude

That's beautiful!

[elfin prism]

I have to admit, I don't know why, but a lot of far-eastern people have that sort of talent and skill in their blood

[limber harbor]

Far eastern?

[warm ingot]

[elfin prism]

You're from Thailand?

[limber harbor]

Keep up the amazing work my guy!

I'll give you follow when I get home

[near hatch]

me?

[limber harbor]

Yeah!

[elfin prism]

That's far better than vast majority of beginners. Also, you shouldn't be too concerned about finishing all the artwork.

[near hatch]

i am from thailand if you meant me

[elfin prism]

Yes

[limber harbor]

Oh whoops

[elfin prism]

thats considered far-east

At least by western standards

A lot of people from around these parts of globe are very skilled in artistic endeavours

From what I've seen, there's some natural flow to it

And at least that's what I've been getting from talking with them

[limber harbor]

I don't know much geography so I wouldn't really know

I know what countries are what and what parts they are apart of

[elfin prism]

@near hatch Anyway, keep up the good work!

I'd say you might need a little bit more direction in what you're doing, or actually in what you want to achieve with your particular work

so it shouldn't be only just about drawing or getting another piece out

[limber harbor]

@near hatch I'm not qualified to give you criticism but your artwork is amazing and you really need to stop beating yourself up. Your art is really beautiful

[elfin prism]

I can clearly understand what you mean by not finishing these, though. Is it the lack of patience or not enough free time?

I'm asking, because a friend I know who's also from thailand was telling me about how it's really difficult for them to actually allocate enough time to draw and practice, so they ended up doing it in very short bursts and never actually finished anything either.

It's because of societal pressure and how demanding the schools and parents usually are in regards to it.

A lot of people spend most of their time either studying and then helping parents to either run their business or do the housework.

They end up with very very little spare time for themselves and to pursue their hobbies and passions.

I think it's not okay, especially when you're young.

[limber harbor]

Studies and helping out your parents with business can be helpful, this is coming from experience but just like you said, it barely give you time to pursue any sort of hobby, I top I gotten from a friend is try split parts into one task rather then just doing everything at once

Rather then trying to do work then study then art all at once try allocating them into different parts

Maybe one day do some studying maybe the next do some work

And maybe another day practice art

The pressure from school and parents can be much and it doesn't get better if you pile it on the whole bunch of stuff your trying to balance but if you can seperate them into smaller task it will be easier

I'm still trying to do that lol but it works

Can't garuntee it works but it's a nice method of you feel overwhelmed

Man this went from talking about practicing art, how anatomy works to how to manage a schedule

[elfin prism]

It's all part of being an artist

And being an artist is all about time management

Especially if you're an adult with life and a job you're responsible for as well

[near hatch]

no, its more like i often spend too much time on each work
i usually start drawing with abstract sketches, i do too many sketches but it never yield me the right one, this is not good enough this is also not good enough and i re draw a lot
i think thats where i spent most of my energy and when i get to the next process of my work i am already mentally exhausted

[calm karma]

i cant tell whether my life getting busier has put a pause in my interest in drawing or killed it entirely

[limber harbor]

Oof a burnout

That's not a good feeling to have

[limber harbor]

Considering now days, a lot of us don't really have a lot of time for it

[near hatch]

i cant finish this piece because i suck is what i end up telling myself

[limber harbor]

Well

For starters

Again easier said then done

But you really need this top saying that about yourself, if you have that sort of mentality you'll end up hating every thing you do to the point where you don't want to continue it

[elfin prism]

You definitely don't suck, it's more a matter of workflow

[hardy basalt]

[limber harbor]

And it doesn't matter if you don't finish an art piece or not

If you doing what you like doing then great keep doing it

I don't know much about dealing with burn outs but what do know is that having a negative mentality towards many things can stop you from wanting to do stuff that you loved doing

While prusing a hobby or career is great

Just working hard in general is great but we need to remember one thing

We are human

We are not machines ment to work or do something all the time

We have our days and we have our limits

It's fine to take a break in if you feel that you need to

There is a difference between a hard worker and person who over works

I'm not trying to justify that being lazy is good neither am I saying working to the point of exhaustion is healthy

I'm trying to say that it's ok to take a small rest and it's not ok to keep saying bad stuff to yourself

And yes, sometimes we just don't like what we make

But we just had on whole conversation about this topic

It's a process

A very long one

And just like a long journey, we need to stop every now and then

[elfin prism]

@near hatch Are you content with what you're drawing or is it more about feeling pressured to draw what you're drawing, by the way?

[limber harbor]

Gets some air you know?

[elfin prism]

I know some artists would like to draw or pursue different things but they tend to focus on fan art of whatever thats popular at the moment, because it's more beneficial for them to grow an audience etc

There's nothing wrong with it, as long as you're not forcing yourself to do that. I've seen people literally getting serious burnout because their audiences kept asking or commissioning them to constantly draw characters from the lastest popular mobage, for example.

It's really easy to find yourself in that pitfall.

[limber harbor]

Draw what you want, a lot of people cant really do that which is kinda sad to me

What pisses me off about that is when the followers are demanding of it

Almost as if they think the artist is some machine

I used to do a lot of genshin art on my insta but I always did that so I wanted a change

I lost quite a few followers but you know

If they can't accept the fact that is want to draw something else, then go to other people

[near hatch]

i am fine with what i am drawing but not the results
but anyway we should go back to the main topic
and i will continue lurking this channel as before

[elfin prism]

Don't fret, it's an artist lounge. This place is both for showcasing art and a place for people to discuss their hobby.

@warm ingot I guess you're a huge Vampire fan, am I right?

[warm ingot]

yeah

[elfin prism]

Hehe

[warm ingot]

i drew her a lot, and i have her l2d skin as my phone wallpaper

[elfin prism]

I like her a lot too, although I kind of neglected her gameplay wise, at least until a while ago.

[limber harbor]

I joined azur lane pretty recently so I kinda don't know who that is

But she seems pretty cool

[warm ingot]

old pic but i don't think they've raised cap past 125

[limber harbor]

Funny thing is, I only started playing cause I saw a video of roon shooting a rockets at hans

[elfin prism]

I'm really badly into gothic lolita and vampires.

[limber harbor]

I see

I'll keep mine to myself

[warm ingot]

gameplaywise she's i think the worst purple lol

[elfin prism]

Not really, haha

[warm ingot]

but yeah same, gothic loli fashion is good

[elfin prism]

She's okayish for an older tier HMS DD.

[warm ingot]

vampires too

[limber harbor]

I still use long island lol your fine

[elfin prism]

I think they should boost her skill though.

[limber harbor]

I heard she isn't too good late game

I did retrofit long island

But idk what else to do

[calm karma]

i reallyu should draw vampire again

[warm ingot]

ya

[elfin prism]

Well, her stats make her a liablility, unfortunately. She just doesn't have enough for the end content, but she should be fine as a second/middle in an HMs centric fleet.

I like her personality.

[calm karma]

vampires my fav too

[warm ingot]

have vampire from earlier in the year

[calm karma]

although its not from her looks or personality or anything

[elfin prism]

She's very coquettish

[calm karma]

rather that shes well, HMAS Vampire

[elfin prism]

Which fits her overall theme

[limber harbor]

Is vampire iron blood?

[warm ingot]

i've been meaning to draw her L2D skin, but I think i'm still recovering from the Cyclops Princess one i did

[calm karma]

royal navy

[limber harbor]

Oh ok

[calm karma]

royal australian navy to be precise

[warm ingot]

by recovering i mean all the frills

[limber harbor]

I have way too many iron blood ships but I'm not complaining though I'm fine with that

[elfin prism]

Draw her doing succ off the Commander's nape, you know - emergency provision style

[limber harbor]

Succ

Off?

[warm ingot]

[limber harbor]

Is that like a skill?

[elfin prism]

[warm ingot]

well, i also really like drawing outfits, so ill prob just do whatever shows it all off

[calm karma]

draw her in an anzac desert uniform

[limber harbor]

Speaking of outfits

Should I draw enty's new one?

[warm ingot]

if you want

[limber harbor]

She, has that?

[calm karma]

nope

[limber harbor]

Oh

[calm karma]

tbf a desert is the last place id expect a ship to be, but eh

[limber harbor]

I mean they are people

They can probably go to a desert

Probably

[calm karma]

still seems ironic

[limber harbor]

Wait

Since they are people

If they get damaged

Do they

Go to a mechanic or a doctor

If they can get sick

How do they treat it

[calm karma]

vestal

[limber harbor]

Oh

That makes more sense now

But do they tetanus shots?

Cause they are boats

Will they rust?

Am I thinking about this too deeply

Probably

[calm karma]

Even after several months of on and off tweeking it here and there, I'm still not satisfied

[elfin prism]

They're pretty much like humans, as far as I know

[calm karma]

I think this is what drains my will to draw

Everything else is only in like a mid stage of completion, but this is almost done and yet it feels so far away

[warm ingot]

hm

[elfin prism]

I'll say it that way - good work, but at a certain point it might be that you're just not proficient enough to do this kind of artwork yet

[warm ingot]

this is mostly why I don't try to spend too long on a drawing

[elfin prism]

^

If you can't do it efficiently enough, you probably need more basic practice

[limber harbor]

Looks great so far, keep it up

[limber harbor]

I get that feeling

[warm ingot]

i got into a cadence of 1 "main" drawing, which is the more effort stuff, maybe try some stuff out etc, and then 1 fox friday, which are just some thing quick

[elfin prism]

I'll say having a sort of a practice/work schedule is good

Even if it's only 30 minutes a day

It's more important to be consistent, than "productive"

That consistency trains your skill

and that in the long run will allow you to draw better

[limber harbor]

Tiny habits?

Right

Just build a habit and it will just become a thing you just usually do

[elfin prism]

Hopefully

I know from my personal experience how difficult it is to stay consistent with one's resolutions

At first you're at that point where you feel like you can move entire mountains; a week passes and you want to quit.

[limber harbor]

Oh yeah that one shot of dopamine before it crashes down

[elfin prism]

Little steps method helps

[limber harbor]

Does anyone like looking at old art and then looking at your most recent?

[warm ingot]

yeah

[limber harbor]

Or if you don't really care about yourself, a whole lot of caffeine

It just seems surreal when I do that

[elfin prism]

I advise against doing drugs

[quiet monolith]

old art

[elfin prism]

A nice morning coffee is good, tho

[limber harbor]

But

Coffee

It's great

[elfin prism]

Everything in moderation

[limber harbor]

I kid of course

But coffee is food

[quiet monolith]

try not to overdo it with caffeine

[limber harbor]

Good

I'll try

Speaking of which

What's your ideal coffee

[elfin prism]

As for the old art, it can be really constructive, once you reach a certain level.

[limber harbor]

Mine is just a nice mug of a long black coffee

No sugar, no milk

[elfin prism]

At that point it can actually bolster your confidence in your skills

[quiet monolith]

I don't drink coffee really

[limber harbor]

Looking at old art?

[elfin prism]

I'd say it's more important to just do enough to be better than you were yesterday

[limber harbor]

I see

[elfin prism]

Learn something new every single day

And practice, practice, practice

[limber harbor]

No matter how old we get there a lot out there we don't know, so learning is nice

[warm ingot]

i got no qualms with sharing old art

[limber harbor]

Hold on let me find some old art

[quiet monolith]

how old we talking

[limber harbor]

Like

Ancient

[warm ingot]

i've only been drawing for like, a year and a half so

[limber harbor]

Pretty much a fossil

[warm ingot]

technically not that old i guess lmao

[elfin prism]

You're really lucky

[limber harbor]

I've been doing digital art for 3 maybe 4 years

[warm ingot]

but thats one of my oldest ones

[limber harbor]

I've lost count

[elfin prism]

Some of my really old art was eh, questionable.

[warm ingot]

wym i'm really lucky

[limber harbor]

Oh boy look at this

[quiet monolith]

dang only 1.5 years huh

[limber harbor]

One sec

[elfin prism]

Granted, I have to admit I have not been drawing for ages. One of the reasons I joined here was to muster myself - along with recent changes in my life - to return to art.

[warm ingot]

i live a boring life where i just draw in all my free time after work

[limber harbor]

Even my phone gallery doesn't one to show it

Can't find it

[calm karma]

I used to have so much free time to draw, and then I didn't

[quiet monolith]

that is what I hope for tbfh

[limber harbor]

Recently I've been a bit busy but I've been finding snippets of time to do my hobbies

[quiet monolith]

graduating from university soon, I hope work doesn't kill my free time to draw

[limber harbor]

Ooo what did you study?

I’m still trying get into ATAR for aviation

[quiet monolith]

computer systems engineering

[warm ingot]

mm, it'll be an awkward month or two while you figure out your schedule and whatever

[limber harbor]

Getting somewhere

[warm ingot]

nice

[limber harbor]

Interesting

FOUND IT

[fervent cliff]

And me

[warm ingot]

i do software myself

[limber harbor]

Oh my god it’s literally an eyesores

[fervent cliff]

A first year college

[fervent cliff]

[limber harbor]

This was my first pieces of digital art

It is hard to look at I’m sorry

[warm ingot]

i mean, we start somewhere lol

[limber harbor]

My goodness

[calm karma]

My first digital piece isn't any better

[limber harbor]

A time where I only used one layer

[calm karma]

In fact, I think its way worse

I don't like looking at it very often

[limber harbor]

I see

[elfin prism]

I used to do a lot of quick doodling, like this

[limber harbor]

Damn that pretty cool though

[calm karma]

I uh... liked vampire a bit

[limber harbor]

I wouldn’t be able to do that if I tried

Ehhh

It’s not that bad

It’s honestly better then the epilepsy I called my first one

And what are your most receive if you don’t mind sharing

Recent*

My English is on point today

[warm ingot]

i remember this

[elfin prism]

I can't really even share some of the latest artwork I did, because it's too naughty for this server's standards, if you know what I mean

[limber harbor]

Oh

That’s fine

[elfin prism]

But in terms of "older" stuff

[limber harbor]

If you wanna

[warm ingot]

i mean, is it like full nudity or w/e

[limber harbor]

Go ahead

Let me find some older ones

[elfin prism]

[limber harbor]

Oh hey my first drawing on my tablet

Here

[warm ingot]

ill just direct you to this

[limber harbor]

Damn

[warm ingot]

maybe this too

[limber harbor]

You are putting me to shame

[elfin prism]

When I look at this now, I just wonder what was going on in my head at that time

[limber harbor]

That’s amazing

[elfin prism]

It looks nice as a sketch

But you can clearly see how many awful mistakes I did, particularly with the anatomy

[warm ingot]

the rare narcosis art

[elfin prism]

Posing itself is awful

[limber harbor]

I can see it but still dude

That’s really good

[elfin prism]

and hands are whatever

This is really old, though

[limber harbor]

Hands

[elfin prism]

like 2012 or something

[limber harbor]

They are hands

We all know how much of. Pain hand are

[quiet monolith]

you have everything you've ever made still saved?

[limber harbor]

The very thing we use to draw are the most difficult to do

[unique flame]

done 😭

[calm karma]

Tactical cropping

[limber harbor]

I’lol try find a few

[unique flame]

might get banhammer

[limber harbor]

It’s look amazing, I can see why it’s cropped but over all, great job keep it up

[elfin prism]

I do, but I can't post the vast majority of it here, for obvious reasons

[calm karma]

I use Twitter as a digital archive, so I can find old art at a moment's notice

[elfin prism]

I was never really into social media

[unique flame]

if you want look up on my twitter

[limber harbor]

I got a lot of old art deleted cause sum kid in my church couldn’t leave me alone about sonic dash on my phone

[calm karma]

I would have used pixiv, but I didn't know how to use that at the time

[elfin prism]

It pains me you have to crop this

[warm ingot]

i do

[limber harbor]

He thought that he owned the phone

And he deleted my ibis

And I lost a lot of old art

[unique flame]

since mostly i am driven in a lust for drawing revealing outfits😭

[fervent cliff]

I remember i started drawing since i was grade 11

[quiet monolith]

is good to have everything saved, glad y'all seem to

[limber harbor]

I’ll check out your twitter

When everyone is asleep

[fervent cliff]

But im just tracing body poses and then I'll do the rest like hair and clothes

[limber harbor]

I do the pose with the reference

[elfin prism]

I can understand why some people don't want to save their works, though. I think it's fine.

[quiet monolith]

my old drawings make me actively like, cringe, not even exaggerating. I wouldn't delete them tho

[warm ingot]

lol

[elfin prism]

I guess when you're still very early into it, it's just important to keep going

[limber harbor]

Keep them, even if you hate them

[fervent cliff]

Same

[limber harbor]

It just shows you how far you have come since then

[fervent cliff]

Just like this

[limber harbor]

A lot of my old stuff was lost but there is some salvaged ones on my Insta

[elfin prism]

Thats why I'm more of a propagator to practice a lot in your early days. I think it's more beneficial, instead of trying really hard to finish a piece of high quality artwork.

[fervent cliff]

oh god my cringe spiking up

[limber harbor]

Honestly

It’s cute

[fervent cliff]

Why did i post that

[elfin prism]

These are nice

[limber harbor]

I don’t see what’s wrong with it

[calm karma]

A lot of my favourite pieces are older ones, and idk if it's nostalgia, a regression in my skills, or both

[quiet monolith]

artists sometimes delete things from social medias, but I appreciate being able to see stuff from the start with other artists so I won't be doing that myself either

[warm ingot]

ill give you my very first vampire drawing

[limber harbor]

I got this old drawing of Takao I did

[fervent cliff]

[quiet monolith]

kazz at least your early art has like a cute appeal to it

[limber harbor]

I don’t think that’s Takao

[quiet monolith]

they look good

[fervent cliff]

This too

[elfin prism]

For very early art, it still looks fine

[limber harbor]

Yeah

[warm ingot]

i keep everything on my pixiv for archive reasons, and its is kinda cool to see the developments happen

[limber harbor]

Totally

[calm karma]

This is the one I like the most

Maybe I'm biased, but I like it much more than the ones I have recently

[fervent cliff]

And thank you haha

[limber harbor]

My favourite older piece of art was this one

[fervent cliff]

Also i remember Helena's Voice Actress liked this

[fervent cliff]

I was really surprised

[limber harbor]

Really?

That’s cool

[fervent cliff]

Yes

[warm ingot]

thats kinda normal tbh, always that one drawing you did in the past that you always liked

[limber harbor]

The Roon one up there was pretty much my banner or profile

For quite a long time before I finished a kaga one

I might redraw some day

[elfin prism]

Nothing better than doing a remake, when you'll get a lot better!

[warm ingot]

hm, true

that nurse vampire i posted earlier was a remake actually lol

[elfin prism]

It's a nice challenge of sort

You take your very old piece and redo it

completely from scratch

[elfin prism]

Too much thicc

[warm ingot]

ive become a thicc artist and i understand the value that squish adds to an image

[limber harbor]

Tight thigh socks

[near hatch]

[limber harbor]

Nice chat everyone, learnt a lot today

I'm going to bed soon

Good night

[quiet monolith]

good talkin

gn

[near hatch]

[calm karma]

ok im just gonna consider my miko drawing done now

[warm ingot]

goodnight

[calm karma]

14/10/21 - 03/04/22

lol

[quiet monolith]

question for you, is there smth specific which bothers you about the drawing that makes you feel dissatisfied with it

[warm ingot]

ya, don't spend too long on a drawing, you'll start to overthink it and thats worse than missing some details or w/e imo

[quiet monolith]

also damn that is a reaaaaally long time

[calm karma]

i dont mean this as a joke, but everything

it was like a week of actual drawing and then 5 months of tweeking until i was fully dissatisfied

[limber harbor]

There is a lot of things

But mainly from what I have notice

[quiet monolith]

that's not really all that helpful idk. being able to pick apart what you want to change is part of making things look better

[limber harbor]

I just how line art looks

And anatomy every now and then

[calm karma]

the thing is i genuinely dont know what i dont like about it

just that i dont like it

[limber harbor]

The colouring and lighting for me I'm completely satisfied with

Especially for this one, I'm actually pretty happy to how it turned out

[quiet monolith]

is there a standard you're trying to compare with

[limber harbor]

I do want to have an art style similar to an artist

Can't really say his name cause you know

He is a douchjin artist

[calm karma]

in case you missed it, this is what im referring to

[quiet monolith]

yeh ik

[calm karma]

cursed me for 6 months

[limber harbor]

And that would be against the rules here

You doing great!

Oh yeah if you wanna see the guys art he called

Noukatu?

Idk how to spell that

But that's a style in trying to get

[calm karma]

im generally not a good judge of art, and that includes my own

[warm ingot]

well, here's what i did that only requires objective judgement

kyl mentions picking a standard, which I did via just finding an artist i liked and gathering some of their work i.e.

i drew stuff, then would go back and make comparisons between mine and their art, and figure out what i'm doing wrong

lots of note taking early on too

[quiet monolith]

what sorta things were you tweaking for the past 6 months?

[calm karma]

mainly colour and shading

a bit of tweeks to lineart

i think requinn might be right

[quiet monolith]

is it the colors that bother you? or the pose itself, or maybe the structure of the face?

[calm karma]

i have been drawing blind (figuratively) for... since the first one

shading and the face the most

and the hair

[sullen juniper]

mmm face and hair do be difficult

[limber harbor]

I can't sleep

[drifting narwhal]

And the hands—

[limber harbor]

Hands in general

I try my best to hide them

[quiet monolith]

faces still kinda give me issues, I'd try looking at other art that has a similar face you're trying to go for. pay a lot of attention to everything. shape of the eyelashes, the whites, the position and size and shape of the iris, pupil, and then the position of the eyes ie. relative height on the face, width apart from each other. compare these things, look at the nose and mouth placements, and the width and height of the face, the angle of the chin. and also the hair surrounding the face, how much is covered, what shape. I'm kinda rambling at this point, listing things off, but when doing observations, there's a LOT of things to try paying attention to. it probably would be a good idea to call it quits with the drawing at some point, and then just do general studies and practice on drawing faces? there's a certain point where quantity is going to help you attain quality. sorry for the wall of text

[limber harbor]

Practice basically

[quiet monolith]

it's observation first

[limber harbor]

I have a lot to look on

Yeah ofc

Can't really practice something if you don't know what it is

[elfin prism]

https://youtu.be/xARpuHsT7KU

[limber harbor]

Is this the same person you recommended me to watch?

[elfin prism]

again, I really recommend his channel

[limber harbor]

Or is this someone different?

[elfin prism]

He has this way of talking about the subject that resonates with you, especially if you're a beginner

In a way, he's a professional who also made a very quick progress in recent years from literally nothing

And most of it was via a lot of hard work and consistency with practice

[calm karma]

With her normal outfit done, ig this is done too

Same problems, different variation

[drifting narwhal]

I'm almost done with this—
Only the face is back...

[limber harbor]

Can't wait to see @drifting narwhal

It*

[drifting narwhal]

[limber harbor]

Man I need to sleep but I can't lol

Might as well add more stuff to the one I'm working on

[near hatch]

[limber harbor]

Does anyone know how to like

Put other social platforms onto your discord profile

I barely use this platform

[calm karma]

go to user settings and click on the tab that says connectioins

and then choose from there

[limber harbor]

Thanks

Welp

They do not have Instagram and barely use Twitter

[quiet monolith]

so what I think might help with shading is to make sure your edges and surfaces are defined clearly from each other. example, the chin and neck are a bit too similarly colored, so you'd want to darken the shadows right there specifically. as a whole, given the line thickness is about constant and quite thin, you'll want to pay special attention that shading defines your edges well

[limber harbor]

Also I picked this up with another artist

Maybe try using a different colour to seperate things when it comes to shading

Like maybe for a dark blue colour, for more darker areas maybe try a purple

Idk how to explain it

[quiet monolith]

it depends on what you're shading

skin is usually going to be closer to red orange unless it's actually a darker lit environment

[elfin prism]

btw, I didn't follow his channel for a while, but this one you might want to see: https://youtu.be/gl0VUHLJuls

In practice, this is probably one of the best and most efficient ways to learn basics with minimal skill required on your own

[calm karma]

Since I'm still here, any feedback on this one?

Relatively new, so I feel less burnt out about this

[limber harbor]

Pretty good so far

[calm karma]

Also cropped because yabai

[warm ingot]

i think experimenting with some line weight would do some good, and hair flow is like kelp (which i've used to describe my own hair too at times)