technology

[subtle hawk]

personally, i'd just get an 8tb hdd for the price of a 2tb nvme

small boot drive, and then a big storage drive

[glossy patrol]

No because HDDs are fucking aids for general use nowadays

And what average user needs 8TB and takes it over a 2TB NVMe

Really dumb take

[waxen star]

At that point I'd just get a 1TB NVMe + 1TB HDD and spend the rest on gems
NVMe for most stuff, HDD for bulk storage (downloads folder, music, meme hoarding etc.)
And those that need more than that, generally don't need to ask this question anymore.

[glossy patrol]

^^

[waxen star]

If I were to ignore all storage for niche purposes (Resolve proxies + caches + render folder, VM images, local repos - read: node_modules - OBS recording etc. etc.) I'd be down to:

• 500GB of storage for my OS + programs.
• 400GB of storage for games (DR2.0, RBR and FH5 go BRRRRRR).
• 500GB of storage for my downloads folder.

Tho a lot of it goes back to when I first installed the OS back in 2015 and I just never bothered cleaning up.

[hexed citrus]

one of my games alone takes up 500GB

[glossy patrol]

Sounds like a you issue NGL

[waxen star]

I mean, I could make RBR go well over 600GB but I'd have so much stages, cars, co-drivers I never use it's just pointless.

[glossy patrol]

This reminds me that I need to move my OS from my baby SSD to my NVMe

[chilly cipher]

Yeah, not to mention content creation
You really need quite a bit of storage

[ashen zodiac]

Lmao. Dennis edited the footage of naked Linus. Only cause he's done it before cause he sneaks into the guy's house and pulls footage from the security cameras for videos.

And his method now is to just blur the whole screen, then slowly remove the blur.

[glossy patrol]

Yep

I'm glad that was a 4h 30m WAN show. Lasted me most of my shift

[astral oar]

just found out my laptop lasts for about 5mins when unplugged...think it's dead battery

[lilac spindle]

should remove the battery to prevent it from breaking more and taking your laptop with it

[astral oar]

its a built in kind...doesnt look removable

[glossy patrol]

Gone are the days of the lovely batteries that simply clipped in and out

[ashen zodiac]

I mean, in return, thin laptop.

AND BATTERIES THAT BECOME SPICY BOIS.

ONLY THE SPICIEST OF BOIS.

[severe falcon]

They become pillows

[restive gazelle]

preggers Batteries

[hexed citrus]

you don't need to glue batteries and serialize them to make a laptop thin

[ashen zodiac]

Then just get a framework.

[hexed citrus]

https://twitter.com/innuendowo/status/1640882675342000128

ً (@InnuendOwO)

i fucking love /r/sysadmin dude. absolute banger posts for all the wrong reasons

Likes

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Twitter · Mar 29, 2023, 1:04 AM

[hexed citrus]

only when they offer it in the Surface Pro form factor with a touchscreen

[waxen star]

If you run out of HESH, you can just use these

[mental coyote]

I see a decent chunk of people asking after touchscreen, and/or 2-in-1 form factor.

[hexed citrus]

because it's a really useful form factor

since it's basically a wacom tablet

but portable

[waxen star]

I have a 2-in-1 (Dell Inspiron 5491) and I love it.
Especially when giving presentations, I just plug in my Miracast stick into the TV and walk around with my laptop in hand talking over the slides and using a pen to draw stuff on the slides.

[slate cape]

I was wanting to build my first mech keeb but I'm worried that the switches that I'll be using (akko sakura) may not be compatible with the potential key caps I maybe buying, can someone give me terms for which key caps I should look out for

Like I'm worried the stem may cause interference and the keycap I buy may not fit into it

Sorry, still very dumb with terms in the mech keeb world

[hexed citrus]

just check what type of stem the switches have and match those with the keycap set

or vice versa

[median sonnet]

||puncture it to make it flat again||

[glossy patrol]

Anybody know of some good ERSGAN model(s) for simplistic anime illustrations, both digitally refined and sketches?

[waxen star]

Unless you go with really thicc keycaps it's generally not an issue.
Just take whichever keycaps you like with whichever profile you like and it honestly should be good.

[subtle hawk]

FOG is still painfully against macbooks

which i do understand why

using screws to hold in batteries doesn't make the laptop thicker than using adhesives

as seen in many of the windows laptops

but at least macbooks are "slightly" more repairable than microsoft surface laptops

[hexed citrus]

in terms of opening them up yeah

in terms of actual repairability, not really

if I change out the display or the SSD in the surface pro I don't suddenly lose features or get locked out of stuff or the laptop suddently stops working

nor does it use custom modified chips that you can't buy

[subtle hawk]

ah

that’s fair

[hexed citrus]

a trick that ARM macbooks can't do

[subtle hawk]

flamed my macbook frfr

[astral oar]

What’s that

[glossy patrol]

SSD

[subtle hawk]

small ssd

[ashen zodiac]

What do they sacrifice for that size

[hexed citrus]

vtubers

[buoyant swan]

Those look pretty big to me... Above average...

[subtle hawk]

😭

noooooo

not my beloved vtubers

[hexed citrus]

2280 is the usual size

[lilac spindle]

that 2230 ssd is so cute

[little seal]

Less options on storage size probably

[subtle hawk]

And form factor

Like surface laptipd

Laptops

[inland marsh]

2230 is usually single chip module, so no fancy controller or cache

Well, you can do PoP, but I doubt any manufacturer willing to put $$$ on it

[subtle hawk]

Kek

[stone needle]

ok i need help

i have a

12V/G/R/B/W LED Strip Headers I bought some new case fan and now i need 5vv Adressable RGB header
my mobo X470 AORUS GAMING 5 WIFI

😐

hmm

[stone needle]

why Gigabyte is like this

[little seal]

idk, probably the same reason ASUS mobos have a usb e to c conductor

[stone needle]

hmmm

[hexed citrus]

kioxia did

[inland marsh]

Kinda impressive they managed to fit standard NAND with standalone controller

BGA152 is 14x18 mm already

[hexed citrus]

yeah their SSD products are always impressive

[inland marsh]

I wish they didn't change their name, or at least not into Kioxia

It sounds chinese, with all the connotations

[hexed citrus]

what does it matter how the company is named? if the product is good then it's good

[inland marsh]

In my case it doesn't matter to me, but it often require some explaining when I'm namedropping it to non technical people

[hexed citrus]

we're talking about the same lay people that think that if it's apple then it must be good

[inland marsh]

Perception do matter, and it do sounds like just another chinese brand instead of flash giant that was Toshiba

[astral oar]

computer pulling April fools on me, the battery is now back to 100%, unplugging actually works

[honest sapphire]

Hello, I tried to enter AL on simulator app but I can't :(((

Can someone help me fix the problem?

[gloomy tinsel]

You tried other Emu?

[solar steppe]

bought cables for my third monitor

the time is now!!

im a third monitor user

[waxen star]

And now you'll get absolutely annoyed each time you have to use a PC with 2 or less screens.

[solar steppe]

I already get annoyed when im confined to one

[waxen star]

That's a solid mood.

[solar steppe]

the third monitor is just going to host my OBS and audio monitors

probably host my music playlist too if im not using obs

[waxen star]

My main screen is well... my main screen.
Second screen Discord or OBS (tho I no longer really stream)
Third screen (it's schmoll tho) for some monitoring stuff (just displays the output for some of my router's and switches APIs)

Technically I have a 4rd screen but that's just a shitty tablet for when I play FH5, DR2.0 or WRCG.

[solar steppe]

4rd

[waxen star]

Yea, it's really nothing major tho.

[glossy patrol]

Gonna be finally getting my first proper pad and second ever mouse

[inland marsh]

Got 3 monitors but none are in the same plane

[severe falcon]

once i move to a house, im getting a 5nd monitor

[waxen star]

I currently am on my 3rd mouse (tho tbf... one died cus my dad broke it, one I still have laying downstairs and now on my third).
My pad is literally just a playmat from the game "Cardfight Vanguard" XD

[solar steppe]

I dont even have space for a 3th monitor

[inland marsh]

My best pad is a cutting mat...

[solar steppe]

its going to be partially obscured by my other monitor

[severe falcon]

i also dont have space for a 3rd monitor, but i just have my old monitors

[waxen star]

Main reason I don't have more screens is physical space on my desk (it's schmoll).
Once I have a new desk someday, I'll add 2 monitors.

[severe falcon]

the house will have the space for them

but i have 4 at work and its really nice

[glossy patrol]

I've only ever used a G502 and this GTAV pad I literally can't find online. The G502 is quite worn and dirty but works, and the pad is alright, but I want to try something new and also something prettier

[solar steppe]

its going to be covered at least 50%

[waxen star]

I have 4 at work but one is off most of the time really (it serves no purpose to me but we are too lazy to remove it).

[solar steppe]

thats as high as my current monitor stand can hold them

[severe falcon]

i use all 4 at work and sometimes wish i had more

[waxen star]

yea, my G502 literally has pits in the rubber from where my thumb, ringfinger and pinky grab it XD
It's a great mouse tho... Might need to replace it soon since I can make the thing scroll by just moving the mouse...

[solar steppe]

you can see all my posters in that reflection

way to rat me out trashcan

[waxen star]

I was too distracted checking out your desktop icons, ngl XD

[severe falcon]

yeah all 4 pixels of your posters on the back wall

[solar steppe]

I have all my “random and/or productive” stuff on my second monitor

[waxen star]

my desktop in a nutshell. XD

[severe falcon]

my desktop is just shifting through art i have shamelessly stolen from #artist-lounge

[waxen star]

tbf, the only moments I see my desktop are when I boot my PC or when I shutdown my PC XD

[solar steppe]

I try to sort it, but I dont really know what im going for

[waxen star]

I see a bunnygirl so I'm happy.

[severe falcon]

its actually a selfie

kawa is a bunnygirl

[solar steppe]

bunnies lets goo

[waxen star]

💍

[solar steppe]

you’re not wrong, it is my vtuber

[severe falcon]

hang on

you are a VTUBER?

[solar steppe]

always have been

yes using my third monitor to just have OBS constantly running since ive been having the need lately to obscure it

but I need to see the preview and audio at all times or it makes me antsy

[waxen star]

most of my icons have been yeeted into start. XD

[solar steppe]

thats smart

[inland marsh]

MuseScore

[solar steppe]

I used to do that when I first got my pc but I forgot all about that feature

I’ll be reorganizing it rn

[waxen star]

Can't say I use it that often anymore tbf.

[severe falcon]

i refuse to touch features that were not present in win7

[waxen star]

In all honesty... W10's start menu is so perfect for the way I work that no other start menu has come even close to being as nice as it.
Even on my Linux machine I'm constantly REEEEEEE'ing about it...

It's that one thing, W10 did really well.

[inland marsh]

My taskbar is practically my start menu now

[waxen star]

My taskbar is just: Firefox, Thunderbird, Explorer, Ferdi and Discord... And shit that is open but not pinned.

[inland marsh]

Yea practically that plus things I always open anyway like vscode, npp, terminal

[waxen star]

fair, tho I don't always have those open XD

In all honesty, I don't really program that much anymore now that I think about it.
Outside occasionally working on my car's driving assistance, I don't think I've really wrote any code at home in the last 3 months or so.

[inland marsh]

Lol, I'm not supposed to do programming too
Just that there's "circumstances" that made me do so

[waxen star]

Fair XD
I used to do a lot of programming but kinda dropped it when I discovered making cars and motorcycles go BRRRRRR and then crashing them in the woods is way funnier.

[inland marsh]

Same, but with planes, and rockets
Not my money tho, so not as thrilling as flushing your hard earned money down the drain

[waxen star]

For me it's part my own money and part other's money.
altho... those people that do give me their money hope I don't "involuntarily park my bike against a tree at 80km/h"... again... but risk of the business I guess.

well, time for nap.
Gn fellow SKKs o7

[paper goblet]

I forgot to clean the desktop icons usually I have 0 icons outside the recycle bin

[hexed citrus]

I'm the opposite

all the things I need to access need icons on the desktop

[inland marsh]

The only time I see my desktop is for about 5 seconds after booting up

which was a long time ago already

[hexed citrus]

uptime flexing is for reddid skrubs

[inland marsh]

I mean, it's technically a workstations. It's supposed to be rarely shut down anyway

[hexed citrus]

at work we shut everything off when we leave office

outside of well the server room obv

and even those servers usually never exceed a couple of months uptime

bcz, HA != long uptime

[inland marsh]

I set up some CFD sims to run at the end of the day. I'd be lucky if it finishes by the next morning

[hexed citrus]

for rendering we have a dedicated render farm

[inland marsh]

We'd done that if not for the draconian licensing

[hexed citrus]

dassault?

[inland marsh]

sure

[hexed citrus]

nothing new with them

[inland marsh]

use one more thread? here your "love letter" from us

sometimes they just demand us to comply without even telling us what went wrong

[hexed citrus]

but you have to admit their software is top notch

unlike the Adobe of CAD tools

which is Autodesk

[inland marsh]

At least autodesk still continue the free version of Eagle

[hexed citrus]

when it comes to Eagle

I'd pick KiCAD anytime over it

[inland marsh]

Eagle is neat for a quick dirty project, netlist works both way seamlessly
I use Altium for serious project, but you need to be a wizard to do things there
Kicad is getting much more powerfull too, but I feel like a manager for several wizards who rarely speak to one another...

[hexed citrus]

I saw Altium but it feels clunky

[inland marsh]

It is.
Feels like Sibelius of EDA, you find options to do things tucked in the most random menus

[hexed citrus]

rn my toolkit is KiCAD and Solidworks

F360 for when I need to work on such models

[inland marsh]

Things that maybe only made sense if a board is worked on by a large team

[hexed citrus]

yeah

it feels like a enterprise piece of software

[glossy patrol]

Got a Basilisk V3 Pro coming today

£150 for a mouse and I don't even get the 4K polling... Such an ouch, but it should be great

[waxen star]

same xD
I did reboot my PC yesterday tho (had some weird issues with sound)

[odd juniper]

somebody know a server rack solution with a 12/13 gen cpu, 64gb ecc ram that doesn't cost a fortune?
else i'll just build one myself

[lilac spindle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/12ak792/western_digital_discloses_network_breach_my_cloud/

[odd juniper]

this is why anything in the cloud will eventually be fucked

[lilac spindle]

does it have to be 12-13th gen Intel? pretty sure the Core series doesn't support ECC

[odd juniper]

its gonna be a replacement devserver

if i would use it myself i wouldn't bother with ecc

[lilac spindle]

Yeah but does it have to be Intel?

[odd juniper]

ehhh, basically everything here runs on intel

using amd suddenly idk what issues it will have

[lilac spindle]

So if it needs ECC you'll probably need to use Xeons

[odd juniper]

13900 supports ecc with w860 mobo no?

[lilac spindle]

12900 as well

[odd juniper]

yeah but the older gen doesnt matter to me, because the price difference is non existent

prices never go down

[lilac spindle]

It's just I haven't seen that many systems that have ECC support

[odd juniper]

true

only w680 supports it

regardless

[lilac spindle]

oh shit

that's why

most mobos start at 500 usd

[odd juniper]

yeah...

shits expensive

but

cheaper then getting a xeon

also found twin psu for it

FSP Twins Pro 500 watt

since i dont wanna risk eh... outages

[lilac spindle]

yeah there's not that many choices

most of what I've seen is either Asus or Supermicro W680s

[odd juniper]

was looking for prebuild server first

but i only found overpriced dells en hps

without even the storage lol

[lilac spindle]

tried finding on my end as well

Could find almost no prebuilt server with w680 mobos

[odd juniper]

at least it'll be faster then the current xeon that it's running from 2012

[lilac spindle]

yeah your best bet is probably to build it yourself

[odd juniper]

have plenty of building experience but was more concerned about reliability issues

of mobo etc. but i guess i'll just find that out

[lilac spindle]

https://www.servethehome.com/supermicro-x13sae-f-intel-w680-motherboard-mini-review/
https://www.servethehome.com/asrock-rack-w680d4u-2l2t-g5-motherboard-review-an-intel-core-server-platform/
Here's STH reviewing 2 w680 mobos if you ever look at these two

[odd juniper]

no offense to asrock but I stay away from them

[subtle hawk]

yeah

i prefer msi (it's cheap), but Asus is also good (too expensive)

asus is good tho

[odd juniper]

msi is fine plus the supermicro board on the post is as expensive as the asusboard wtf

[subtle hawk]

it's supermicro

it's basically the apple of servers

[odd juniper]

yeah

[subtle hawk]

or so i was told

[lilac spindle]

it's more reliable than Apple tho

[odd juniper]

well if their sell is reliability

[subtle hawk]

yes

[waxen star]

I use ASRock in my own server tbf.
Mainly because ASRock is literally the only company that makes boards like these (that I'm aware off) and makes them affordable...

And well, ASRock is very solid so...
I think most builds I made in 2021-2022 were using either Gigabyte or ASRock boards (with the occasional MSI but I prefer to not use MSI unless I have a very specific reason).

[subtle hawk]

i love homebrew

[waxen star]

Meh not really... Supermicro makes good products and sells them for a very reasonable price.
Apple makes trash then sells them for 2-3x what they should cost

[subtle hawk]

so simple on macbook

[subtle hawk]

ehh, i wouldn't call trash

i would say not on par with their software

their software support is excellent, you cant deny

but the hardware can sometimes (most) be dissapointing, since it's always locked down

[waxen star]

Their software support is great but that's where it ends.
Idk but selling hardware that costs 2-3x what they should cost and using "but muh software" as justification for that is a piss poor argument :p
Maybe if that software would "increase" the value by like 25%, maybe 50% over competitors... but not 200-300%...

[subtle hawk]

no, i'm not using software as an argument

i'm stating that their hardware is not as good as their software

although i didn't say that it wasn't worth the price

up to you to decide what i say, i guess

wasn't asrock a part of asus

it should be reliable idk

[waxen star]

I'd still call them trash tho... Software can be great but if the hardware is trash? noty.
Sure, the ARM chips are great but the supporting hardware always are shite.

[subtle hawk]

that i agree

[waxen star]

ASRock used to be the shitty budget stuff of Asus yes.
But they are really solid nowadays.

[subtle hawk]

ah

i see

i'm thinking framework or x1 carbon for a next laptop

[waxen star]

I'm currently not really pondering over what could be my next laptop.
I don't have the money for it atm (unless it's an emergency) and my current laptop still works.

[subtle hawk]

you see, laptops look cool

and i like looking at cool things

that's all there is tbh

[waxen star]

if I want to look at stuff I don't need but look cool, I'd go look at wheels for my car, ngl XD

[subtle hawk]

fair kek

[odd juniper]

asrock is the most affordable yes. But i notice they sometimes cheap out on some components, also they blacklisted some reviews channels because they can't take critism.
So that's why I don't buy them.

[waxen star]

So you won't buy ASRock for blacklisting reviewers... but proceed to say MSI is fine... That's... scuffed to say the least.

[odd juniper]

???

I don't buy msi boards

like i said before

I don't mind other people buying them

I just don't

[waxen star]

But you do say MSI is fine...

[odd juniper]

msi has fine boards

liek asrock...

but both

of them sometimes cheap out

and their pr is shit

but that goes for most mobo companies

don't look too far into my comments

[waxen star]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1060108525356990524.webp?size=48

jokes aside, what I was pointing out is that MSI literally tries to buy good reviews.

[odd juniper]

I mean yes. I've seen it on gamersnexus

they tried to buy him out to not post the bad review

[waxen star]

yuh

[odd juniper]

idc about the companies i just want to buy a good and reliable product. If I've previous good experiences with them I will buy from them again

[waxen star]

I mean that makes sense.
But to then go ahead and say you won't buy from ASRock for blacklisting reviewers is kind of double-speak...

[odd juniper]

that was additionally

you missed the fact that I said they sometimes cheap out on components

that aside i dont buy motherboards often so ehh its not like im looking far into it

[waxen star]

And then proceeded later to also point out "every company does that"... Which voids that argument. :^)

[waxen star]

tru

[odd juniper]

how about i say nothing and you just agree with my blank statement

[waxen star]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1060108525356990524.webp?size=48

[inland marsh]

Asian companies simply do things differently tbf
I won't try to take the moral high ground and only boycott if things got exceptionally stupid

[waxen star]

I only really boycott when there are cases of anti-competitive behaviour (trying to explicitly lock you in, buying others out to solely use your product in theirs etc.), severe anti-consumer behaviour (threats to right-to-repair, locking down that you can and cannot do with products after you bought them etc.)...

So currently, only Apple is really on that list.
Intel used to be on the list as well but I'm slowly allowing them back in here and there.

[subtle hawk]

yes

intel gud

apple is harsh

[glossy patrol]

With the above discussion, please also look at specific boards and evaluate them above the brand

Also pog

[solar steppe]

got my third monitor cable anddd boom the hdmi does not work

because my mobo doesnt support it now to wait for another cable..

[glossy patrol]

How can your motherboard not support a HDMI cable? Do you mean you lack a HDMI port entirely?

[hexed citrus]

kawa... you plug the cable into the GPU, not the mobo

that mobo port is just for integrated graphics

[glossy patrol]

Unless you want the display to come through the iGPU. Usually that's if you lack more ports on your GPU though

Which that's unlikely

[severe falcon]

im waiting for the "whats a GPU?" question from kawa

i can feel it

[glossy patrol]

I believe they're knowledgeable enough

[severe falcon]

oh she is, but im still waiting for it anyway

[ashen zodiac]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9a3oAiN2ik&ab_channel=LinusTechTips

[solar steppe]

right, but im plugging it into the mobo because its all thats left

[solar steppe]

you are correct

I have a 3070, my gpu does not dabble in boomer stuff

only one hdmi port

[solar steppe]

and my mobo doesnt support igpu so I am getting an adapter

[lilac spindle]

hold on you are a vtuber? I did not know

[subtle hawk]

According to ASUS, the price will be "competitive" to Steam Deck but they're not telling what it is yet
And honestly, a smaller handheld like that, sure, why not. I hate the size of Steam Deck to be honest

[solar steppe]

yes

[stone needle]

i am watch this

[waxen star]

I wanted a Steam Deck back in the day but couldn't justify getting one since all games I play "require" a wheel anyways and beyond that, I just have my laptop D:

[glossy patrol]

As in, a display adapter for more ports, like a GT 710 or something?

[paper goblet]

Does your 3rd monitor not have DP by chance?

[solar steppe]

no, it is an older monitor

[paper goblet]

ripge

[solar steppe]

display adapter for more ports

[solar steppe]

I bought 2 new monitors in 2021 but only one uses display port, the other one wasnt meant for "gaming" so they settled for hdmi

[paper goblet]

I guess I'm lucky that both of my monitors are DP, one is an used Samsung one I got in 2018, other is an AOC 24G2U I bought in 2020

adapters are fine anyways if you just want a 1080p60 image

[solar steppe]

yes, not using for anything crazy

just to have obs open

[glossy patrol]

So what I said

Or you could just use a simple cable adapter. That works too

It's almost complete
Just need to take off all my caps and clean, as well as order my new mouse mat

I'm so bummed by that Xraypads don't do 800x300
My desk is exactly 800

[severe falcon]

The duality of man, rei and gta

[glossy patrol]

Haha, the pad was a Christmas gift a while ago

I'm going to go with a BNA image for my next pad

Just fiddling around with upscaling

Images need to be huge to be printed properly, and taking even a 4K image and making it that large js a big task

[hexed citrus]

it's not about the size, it's about the ppi

if you're making purely digital art the ppi doesn't matter but the moment you go onto physical media you need to take that into account

[glossy patrol]

Size affects the PPI you have and the PPI you want
Soo...
It's about size

[hexed citrus]

if you're taking already made pictures sure I guess but it won't be the same as making a proper drawing or artwork with the right settings

https://yamato.azurlane.moe/media/5st7y.png

same size, different PPI and color profiles

[glossy patrol]

Of course. I'm merely on about taking existing media and getting it to acceptable PPI levels to print and have not look rubbish. As said, even with a good image that's a high resolution, that's still a large upscaling task. The BNA image I plan to use is a bit rough because of it, but it should still be good enough

[ashen zodiac]

I expect it to be the same price as the Steam Deck.

Then 2x the price because of the ROG tax.

Could be worse tbh, you could be paying 3x the price because of the STRIX tax.

[subtle hawk]

I'm thinking of picking up a Switch Lite anyways, considering they're really cheap where I'm based

[ashen zodiac]

I'd go with full Switch so you can actually dock this thing and play it on the TV.

[glossy patrol]

And also detach the joycons

[subtle hawk]

I'm not thinking of playing it docked, plus it would be to carry the Lite to work during breaks

And yeah, the smaller size is okay in my book, reminds me of the PS Vita

[ashen zodiac]

Yea but you can also use the kickstand and remove the joycons.

[subtle hawk]

Hear me out why I don't want an OLED or a regular Switch. They cost too much where I live.
We're talking 600 CAD or €400

Second, I don't feel like docking the thing, because I don't think I'd ever do that in the end, plus I'm not sure if they ever fixed the dock scratching the stupid thing, so I don't feel like testing it, unless I cover the dock with a cloth or something. And I want to carry the smaller Lite, which again, is perfect size for my liking.

And finally, I've found a couple of perfect, unscratched Lites for 180 CAD (€120), used but without any faults

Lites are the only ones dropping in price (where I live that is, to elaborate), hence why I'm probably going with it

[glossy patrol]

Took the top of the keyboard off (12 fucking screws) and washed the membrane protector under water as fuck digging that out
Was about to wash my caps with warm water but broke the boiler

[subtle hawk]

wow!!!!!!!!!

rip

boiler ded asf

[glossy patrol]

Kaboom

[odd juniper]

Clean mine while you're at it

[ashen zodiac]

1 - I got the regular Switch cause the Switch Lite with a pair of joycons was the price of a Switch. Plus you can play in tablet mode with the Switch which is nicer than holding the damn thing in my hands half the time. It's also got a bigger display, HD rumble, and motion control.

2 - Screen protector. Idk what else to say here.

3 - I got mine used with a screen protector, mario kart + that one mario with the hat, 4 joycons, dock, and power cord for $300 CAD during covid lmao.

[subtle hawk]

I mean, yeah. But I'll just settle on a used Lite which costs me nothing in the end, considering how cheap they are used as mentioned above

I honestly don't feel like spending more on an even used regular Switch or OLED tbh when I can just fork out 120 euros and call it a day

[ashen zodiac]

MAN IF I DIDNT HAVE THE SWITCH

I'D GET AN OLED LOL

[hexed citrus]

same

[ashen zodiac]

I don't even care about the screen. I JUST WANT THE KICKSTAND LOL

[hexed citrus]

technically you could get a OLED back case off ebay

and replace it on the regular

[subtle hawk]

I already have one OLED and it's the Vita so I'm good tbh

[ashen zodiac]

tru

it's like the same size

[hexed citrus]

same mounting holes too

[ashen zodiac]

The main selling point can just be the kickstand and I'm sold. lol

[subtle hawk]

Exceeeept for the fact that Sony killed it so the homebrew community is doing its job instead

[hexed citrus]

https://yamato.azurlane.moe/media/xkj0t.png

[subtle hawk]

W

[ashen zodiac]

idk forums say not exact fit

[glossy patrol]

I'd rather KMS

[ashen zodiac]

What?

[patent jasper]

Doing parkour to get an RTX 3070 upgrade from a 3050

Heck even maybe a 3070 ti

[ashen zodiac]

Why do an upgrade within the same generation?

[restive gazelle]

was this maybe posted on april 1st?

[glossy patrol]

What's the point

[patent jasper]

I want power damnit

[waxen star]

then buy a nuclear reactor instead.

[ashen zodiac]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj4gn7od0jY

I wonder what Uselessbenchmark comments on this thing

[glossy patrol]

Probably something so mind-boggingly dumb you'd want to die

[subtle hawk]

Take it with a grain of salt, but there's a small leak going around with prices for ASUS ROG Ally:
ASUS ROG Ally will be released in two storage options: 512GB and 1TB. The 512GB model will be priced at $649, while the 1TB model will be priced at $899.

[ashen zodiac]

Ahh so 975 and 1350 with ROG tax

[paper goblet]

3050 to 3070 is a huge upgrade

same generation, but it's almost double the performance (3050 is around the 1070 and 1080 depending on the game)

[glossy patrol]

Yes but if you bought a 3050 why are you again upgrading. It's not like the 3050 sucks. Wait for next generation or the generation after that where you'd get far better value

[paper goblet]

There are many reasons why someone might want to upgrade from a 3050

I don't necessarily agree with the decision either, but there are reasons to why it's not dumb

[glossy patrol]

Not really

[lilac spindle]

3050 to 3070 is a pretty decent jump within the generation. It's not that bad of an upgrade from say a 3090 to a 3090ti

[paper goblet]

3050 to 3070 is almost doubling your performance lol

[lilac spindle]

exactly

I'd want a 3060 or 3070 tbh if I can get a 1080p 165hz monitor

or jump straight to 240hz

[glossy patrol]

Still makes no sense. Should jump to the next generation or wait longer for 30-series to become more reasonable

[cerulean plinth]

https://youtu.be/tas0O586t80

[mental dagger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBwuPmY4lec&list=TLPQMDYwNDIwMjPC-HOi_72oQQ&index=4

[lilac spindle]

I knew that this was a thing due to Linus

lol

[waxen star]

This is kinda neat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uxu8anymDg

[subtle hawk]

That's actually cool, reminds me of running PS2 titles off the HDD

[waxen star]

aye, tho tbf, on the PS2 it was intended design of the console... With this thing... not so much

[subtle hawk]

[subtle hawk]

yeah the 3060 can’t push that many frames

a great gpu for longevity since vram, but at the sacrifice for less perf

12gb vram is great

[lilac spindle]

most of my games are pretty esports level tho

so a 3060 is a big upgrade for me

[subtle hawk]

cod will run 1080p 144

it should run esports games good

since i have the 3060

just remember to overlock the living life out of the gpu

and unlock the power limit

[lilac spindle]

Nah I don't overclock at all

it's already hot where I am at

don't need more heat being spewed near me

[subtle hawk]

oh, fair

i live in the cold place, so i rely on the 3060 and cpu to be a heater

it doesn’t warm much, but it’s nice

why not gtx1080ti?

are those on cheap yet

[lilac spindle]

used hardware here is

[subtle hawk]

😭

[lilac spindle]

like the best deal I saw was a 6900 for like around 400 usd

[subtle hawk]

not bad

it’s more expensive here

a 3060 still sells for 400usd here or sum

[lilac spindle]

which is too much for me at the same time I'd rather get an Nvidia card due to me using Nvenc and shadowplay a lot

[subtle hawk]

600cad

i will get intel arc cuz simply put

intel fanboy + linux support + 16gb vram + cheaper

then the 3060

but drivers are unstable, so it’s up to you to play

[little seal]

To bad I didn't know that when I was a kid, however I did have the slim version

also the use of online

[glossy patrol]

You're not sacrificing performance for anything. Sacrificing implies that performance was traded in for something, when the card just performs how it does
And the 3060 can push plenty of frames

[subtle hawk]

Sacrifice for perf as in relation to you're not getting a 3070 or 3080

You're actively choosing a card with more VRAM, but less performance

I might not have been too clear with my comparisons yeah

[glossy patrol]

Except the 3060 also costs less
So you're not making a sacrifice, you're just paying less for less performance

[subtle hawk]

Brother

In

Christ

You get more vram

And that is good

You're paying less for a possibility of having a longer lasting gpu

[glossy patrol]

Right, don't care to push further, I've done what I needed to do

[waxen star]

RTX 3060 8GB here costs 550.
12GB costs 650.
RTX3070 8GB costs 750.

If it'd be a sacrifice of just performance for VRAM, the 3060 12GB would cost 750 too...

In this case you sacrifice performance but "gain" vram and money...
It's a different story.

[glossy patrol]

Thank you.

[mental dagger]

Thought this might be helpful
https://youtu.be/HHmRIJ2ysAY

[ashen zodiac]

Did they update Android 13 so that you can't copy files to the data/obb folders, even on PC?

[ashen zodiac]

Oh... I need to root the phone...

[hexed citrus]

u can on pc wdym

[ashen zodiac]

Uhhhhhh nope. Wont copy the files out of the folders.

Or in...

[hexed citrus]

idk I could

[ashen zodiac]

Not every folder. lol

Some I can do

Most I cant

[subtle hawk]

https://charm.li/about.html

interesting it is

it's only 800gb though, i wonder how they managed to shrink it

nevermind, it's only 50,000 manuals

[inland marsh]

repository of car and truck service manuals.

Tfw no actual truck manuals

[waxen star]

Shame it doesn't have my car (2001 Peugeot 206 CC 2.0L 16V) D:

[inland marsh]

At least 2001 cars probably don't have that many proprietary parts that need manuals to figure out

Euro 2 or lower Japanese truck engines for example are easy to work with, feels like everyone just know how to maintain

[subtle hawk]

I may not like many Peugeots, but the OG 206 is a cool car imo

Helped by the fact that it was used in WRC as well

[waxen star]

true. outside the electrical system, it's really easy to work on.

[waxen star]

I do like most older Pugs... Newer ones are too much electronic trash so noty.
Like,207 is kinda where Peugeot died for me (but so did a lot of cars).
I just want my cars to be stupid shitbricks (like the 205) that I can mod to my hearts content.

[waxen star]

206 WRC was kinda "meh" tho... Had a good run at first and then the Xsara WRC (and later C4 WRC) came into being and it was baibai pretty much all competition...

[subtle hawk]

It is what it is

Not counting Citroen and Alpine-Renault once, Peugeot has 5 manufacturer championships to their name, for French teams

[waxen star]

Yea, Pug has 5, Citroen has 8 while Alpine-Renault only has 1.
I'm not gonna list by conglomerates (eg. PSA and FCA) because by that, Stellantis (which owns a lot) would literally have 28 out of 50

[ashen zodiac]

clicks on Subaru
highest year is 2014
only Forester
Well damn.

No R35 manual either lol

LOL

[waxen star]

Subuwu hasn't won manufacturer's since the Impreza WRC 97 iirc (so 1997) XD

[ashen zodiac]

Unless you're racing in the Canadian or American rally series

Where the Canadian rally is just a field of like 80% Subarus

[waxen star]

The Nissan R35 doesn't even have a WRC entry iirc.
At most maybe RGT which is fake-rally imo XD

[ashen zodiac]

And the American Rally scene of like....

Subaru Rally Team USA.

Vs. Everybody is a small team.

[waxen star]

Yea fair.
Tho do those also adhere to the FIA standards?

[ashen zodiac]

Yea. There's regulations, but open class is pretty loose on what you can do and there's a limit to what you can do.

It's not WRC extreme levels.

[waxen star]

yea tbf... those "open-classes" are exactly the classes I tend to avoid.
I mostly adhere to RC4 as it's a good mix of accessibility and strictness.

[ashen zodiac]

The SRTUSA machines are just unfair, even when they're using a bigger restrictor than the rest of the field. Nothing about the car is original. Everything has been modified one way or another in terms of performance and weight reduction. The engine is even a 2.0L engine from the JDM versions, modified for higher power output. All built from the same garage that built the Airslayer.

[waxen star]

Exactly why I don't like open-class... It's mostly just "throw money at the wall and hope you're faster".

• RC5 is basically for the "occasional tournament driver" (or those that compete in their first ones, everyone starts here).
• RC4 is for teams that start to grind tournaments (it's where me and my team compete).
• RC3 is serious (basically it's RC4 but with AWD and more mods).
• RC2 is basically those that race for a living (generally the people that are very successful here have a chance to move onto RC1)
• RC1 is WRC.

[ashen zodiac]

Wrong image lol

Mehdi just casually shocking Linus for shits and giggles.

Yea in Canada we have 4 classes
Open 4WD
Open 2WD
Production 4WD
Production 2WD

lol 17/26 entries are Subaru

American Rally is like
Open 4WD, Open 2WD, Naturally Aspirated 4WD (LOL)
Limited 4WD, Limited 2WD, and RC2

[waxen star]

Mehdi living the dream.

[waxen star]

yikes XD

[lilac spindle]

hold on I thought it was from that video regarding destroying components with static

didn't realize it was the new vid

[ashen zodiac]

LINUS AND MEHDI 2

ELECTRIC BOOGALOO

[waxen star]

That was cheap... That was so cheap...

[subtle hawk]

i love b560 slander

asrock slander

https://youtu.be/wju68OArneM

it’s old

but damn

b560 boards are dogwater

[subtle hawk]

anyone here codes know why system("cls") wont work sometimes and you have to use system("cear")?

[mental dagger]

it be like that

[waxen star]

Yea... I never really liked B560...

[waxen star]

Might be helpful to tell us which language you're working in

[subtle hawk]

c++

[waxen star]

Might be that cls is Windows terminal (cmd) and clear is Linux.

[subtle hawk]

whats the difference since i was able to use cls just fine with dev and replit just said it does not work

nvm it has something to do with how both of them work

[inland marsh]

...
It might helps to learn what system() does first

[mental dagger]

After all these years, he is still looking fresh.

[subtle hawk]

fair enough cause im still very new to programming

[lilac spindle]

it also helps to always read documentation

[inland marsh]

Beware of platform-specific behaviour then

[lilac spindle]

unless it's some niche software that has some convoluted and poor documentation

[inland marsh]

Some IDE/emulators probably mark your code as "does not work" because they use wrong platform/compiler assumption

[subtle hawk]

oh

ill keep those in mind then, thanks

[ashen zodiac]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLIp4wd0oXs&ab_channel=LinusTechTips

[inland marsh]

We're LTT update feed now?

[ashen zodiac]

im bored

[hexed citrus]

hi bored

[lilac spindle]

I mean LTT is at least technology related

[cerulean plinth]

3D Animation fun fact:
Raytracing has been used for a lot longer than gamers usually know.
We got our first raytracing with the 20 series, but even the very first 3D animated movie,
toy story, used raytracing for the lighting!
Back then, it actually took sometimes longer to render the movie than to write and animate it!
It's just now, that computing got so fast and specialized, that raytracing can be done in real-time for certain aspects of lighting!

[hexed citrus]

yes raytracing as a render technology is very old

but doing it in realtime is what's new

[cerulean plinth]

And it's basically still in its infancy, since the cards are not strong enough to use raytracing for the entire rendered image in real-time

Iirc, raytracing was first experimented with in the late 70s/ early 80s

[hexed citrus]

yeah as I said, very old

[lilac spindle]

pretty much when computing began

[subtle hawk]

yo is it normal for windows to go crazy on HDD's

as in show fragmentation to 100% then down to 50%

it jumpin

[waxen star]

If you want my honest opinion... If you're very new to programming and not doing C/C++ by requirement (eg. school), start out with something less complex like TypeScript or C#.
Going with a language like C/C++ means you'll be focussing too much on the language rather than the logic...

[subtle hawk]

I’m doing it by my school req since it’s for people that are in 2nd year cp

[waxen star]

yea, I used RayTracing in 3D videos already before it "came to gamers".
But it took seconds to render even a single frame.

[waxen star]

F...
I always hate schools that throw students into C/C++ literally when they first start out.
It's like putting someone behind the wheel of a Group B Rally car before they ever drove a regular car. :^)

[lilac spindle]

C wasn't that hard imo

was not as bad as getting thrown into Java firsthand

[waxen star]

Not saying C/C++ is hard just that you are now getting bothered with 1337666 random things that only distract.

Java is just a pain in general... I started using Java again a little while ago for a Discord bot and even tho I'm barely beyond a basic ping-pong command, I already wanna throw it out and go back to Deno
Like, which degen decided to use .equals instead of just == or === >.>

if(myvar.equals(myOtherVar))

[lilac spindle]

lol yeah

I once tried to do Java back when I was in high school due to modded minecraft and I just gave up

that was around the time the school had like C++ for our CS Subject

then around 4th year we did Java so yeah hated that

[waxen star]

F... Yea idk which language I hate more at this point... Java or Python... And considering I already think Python should F off and die?

[lilac spindle]

Python is relatively easy but fuck its performance

[waxen star]

I'm not even bothered by its performance... Just the part where it has so much scuffed things...

• Using a class? don't forget to pass self (eq. this) to all methods! (we actually have a gag at work calling Python "nacrisistic OO" because of this).
• Instance properties must be both declared and initialized in the constructor.
• Match-case only was added after like 30 years of refusal to do it.
• Want to hash something? Manually turn it into bytes first because we're too lazy to do it for you!
• One space too much.
• WHERE MUH PRIVATE PROPS!? (yes, I know the __ magic exists but screw that)
• WHERE MUH CONSTANTS!? (and no "just don't change it" is a bad argument for this)

[hexed citrus]

if you want to be a filthy webdev then yeah start with those

[hexed citrus]

Deno is basically a personal passion project that is not viable outside of small prototyping projects that won't need scaling or any general robustness

[waxen star]

or if you... ya know... want to learn to walk before you start to run?

[waxen star]

Deno works really well tho, even on bigger scale and scales pretty well and is farily robust.

[hexed citrus]

getting a solid fundamental knowledge base is more important than getting going fast

going with soft typed langs is basically a recipe for vulnerabilities that plague most popular webdev libs

[waxen star]

Exactly, so TS is a perfect candidate for it.
Learn a solid fundamental knowledge base, then expand this.

[waxen star]

70% of vulnerabilities caused by memory management issues.

[hexed citrus]

of which 100% is legacy or UB code

[hexed citrus]

TS is as good of a candidate as python, useful to teach someone how to make a web request and do some basic data mutations and the equivalent of hello world nowadays which is making a discord bot do ping/pong

[waxen star]

If that's your cope argument, then that could very well be said about your argument about vulnerabilities.

[hexed citrus]

you're the one coping for not understanding the fundamentals here

[waxen star]

Suuuuuuuuuuuuure...

[hexed citrus]

trying to justify usage of potentially tricky languages for learning

[waxen star]

"potentially tricky languages"
Literally the easiest around to learn and expand from

[hexed citrus]

if you want to understand how a computer program works there is no better alternative than C, Rust, C++ and assembly

[hexed citrus]

easiest to pick up more like

[waxen star]

Oh I defo agree on that.

But if you want to know how to write them...
Rust might be decent there (it's a bit scuffed to start with but acceptable)...
C/C++ and ASM are instant nope if you want to learn how to write code.

"yes, let's teach this people that don't have any of the fundamentals on writing code 3 of the most difficult languages around, what could possibly go wrong"

[hexed citrus]

soft typed langs are like the flipper zero, a commodity that has everything bundled in it while C and the like are more like a spectrum analyzer with transmit capabilities and PHY access

[hexed citrus]

if we go by that logic then we should not allow people to drive cars or pilot planes until they learn on toy models without teaching them the fundamentals

[waxen star]

Actually, we have things for that, they are called DRIVING LESSONS, you may have heard of them?

Your argument is basically: Learn how the powertrain of a car works and learn how to drive afterwards.
My argument is basically: Learn how to drive then expand your knowledge to take care of your car and mod it as you please.

[hexed citrus]

as I said, if that's all you want to do then that's fine

but if you want to seriously consider a long career in IT you need to start at the basics

[waxen star]

And the basics... are how to use them... now how they work...

[hexed citrus]

how many go to uni/college for IT with the idea of "why should I learn this, I'll do webdev for 100k a year, fuck this"

without ever grasping why memory allocation is unsafe and how your program can be altered or hacked while executing by another process that has full access

or why passing user input directly to other systems is even worse than UB or memory vulns

[severe falcon]

It also sounds like you never looked into why java has both == and .equals, because they do two completely different things

In the car analogy, you are asking why theres AWD and 4WD as if those things are exactly the same

The === is javascript tho, and thats a language that never shouldve made it past infancy

[waxen star]

Why are you coping so hard that if you learn TS, people will be stuck as a webdev?
If that's a thing, you haven't done it right.
I have teached plenty of students, starting with JS (and later revised my stuff) to use TS + Deno once they hit 1.0 but most of them grew very well into Rust and C++ (which was done the year after) because they already knew the fundamentals.
They already knew how to write code, and next year, they could learn what the hell is actually going on.

I started with PHP... I then picked up JS (with jQuery 🤢) and then TS...
Now I'm a cryptography engineer that also programmed a custom "OS" for a Raspberry Pi that powers his car.
I learned the fundamentals first, then I expanded my knowledge and got to where I am now.

You talk about "the fundamentals" but you literally indicate you shouldn't start at the fundamentals...
The fundamentals aren't "why memory allocation is unsafe", "how your program can be altered or hacked (...)" or "why trusting user input is a nono"...
Yay, you spend 8 weeks but still don't know how to write a single damn line of code

[waxen star]

JS, TS, PHP, C#... a lot of languages I can think of use ===.

[severe falcon]

I love java for OO and love python for anything simple, but i once tried python OO and noped out when there wasnt a built in way of making multiple constructors

Yay for typeless languages /s

[waxen star]

Yes something with memory locations and content.
Can't remember the exact thing but it's still a pain when you can just use == or === to simplify reading it.

[waxen star]

Python OO is a joke XD

[severe falcon]

Also yes i agree with yamato on this one, maybe not starting with them, but your 2nd programming language needs to be one of the ones where it takes your training wheels off and shoves you down a hill

Cuz then you understand what its actually having to do behind the scenes when you call simple functions. And then it massively helps when you have to debug the simple, high level languages that for some reason only offer the vaguest of error messages

[waxen star]

Oh yes, I totally agree with it being your second or third language as well... but not your first.
Your first language needs to be simple and bother you with as little as possible with minor details while you learn the fundamentals.

• Learn what variables are.
• Learn what the primitive datatypes are.
• Learn control flow.
• Learn functions.
• Learn classes (if applicable).

And in between, you can do some additional stuff like SRP, DRY, KISS etc. etc.
Then once you have that done and people can write some basic (albeit more than just a simple hello world ofc) code with high amounts of confidence, then you can start with things like what is going on under the hood through things like C/C++.

The thing that holds back most beginners is primarily a psychological thing... They are scared because programming looks fairly daunting at first (and the stereotype of it only being done by like very smart people doesn't help here either).
Get that fear and doubt out of their head first, show them that basically anyone can write code... Then expand slowly but steadily.

Just look at how a baby learns to walk... They first start crawling, then stand up (and fall), then take a few steps (and fall) then slowly over time can walk.
They don't know how it works (the physics and biomechanics behind it), they just know (at an unconscious level) "if I do this then I can walk"...
They probably walked for over 10 years already before they even learn how it works from a physics and biomechanical standpoint.

[severe falcon]

Ehh that walking analogy gets a lil sketchy with the not understanding it part

The conscious brain doesnt understand it, but the rest of the brain fully understands it to the point where it figures out the most efficient muscle movements and speed to expend the least amount of energy

[waxen star]

Do you think a 1y/o goes: "oh yea, if I flex this muscle I can move this bone into position so that my center of gravity will be around this point and I don't fall over" XD

[severe falcon]

No but their unconscious brain actually literally does that

[waxen star]

they just know (at an unconscious level) "if I do this then I can walk".

I mean yea, thats what I said :p

[severe falcon]

The analogy just doesnt work here

[waxen star]

It does tho

[severe falcon]

We never understand walking because the part of our brain responsible for it already figured it out through brute force

Your unconscious brain does not help you program

But also the starting language cant be head empty level easy

[waxen star]

They know "if I do this, I get this result".
But they don't know the physics and biomechanics behind it.

In programming, it'd be like: "If I write this and that, I get this result".
but they don't know "oh yea, it's because this bit of memory gets allocated at this address then referenced though this and that".

Ofc, they'll learn both later (given you teach them).

[severe falcon]

Cuz the first classes are designed to be weed out classes so you dont end up wasting time and money

And tbh as long as it aint C, any language can be the starting language cuz of how simple the problems usually are

[waxen star]

The main difference is how much extra stuff you need to do around it.

[severe falcon]

Yeah but i started with java, and the extra stuff would just be the system.out.print instead of just print

Tbh python would not be a very good language to go over arrays tho

[waxen star]

Python, should just F off and die.

[severe falcon]

It wont cuz once you have the advanced knowlege, its one of the most powerful for the least effort

You cant really generate a labelled line graph of multiple sets of data in like 8 lines of code in anything but python

[waxen star]

I mean, that has more to do with ecosystem (read; someone made a library to make it that easy) than the language...
You can very likely do it in Java as well but someone would need to make a library to facilitate such thing.

I mean... you can make entire Bitcoin blocks (just as an example) in like 3 lines of code in TS...
If someone makes the right libraries for it...

[severe falcon]

Thats the idea of python tho, is libraries are the answer to everything. If you cant use a library, you dont use python

Cuz libraries do all sorts of beyond advanced things to get python to run somewhat quickly, while trying to do that stuff manually results in horrific amounts of slowdown

[waxen star]

I mean true but like I said, that's more a thing that has to do with the ecosystem than the language.
It's getting carried by library support rather than it being a good language.
Something about "The Emperor's New Clothes" basically.

[hexed citrus]

just for trying to shove Deno down the throat of students I wouldn't attend your classes, worst possible choice for educational purposes

as the first lang to try out I've always told people to pick it based on what they want to do in the future

python is good for starting towards data science

and just fast data crunching

[severe falcon]

I will say tho, that if you has someone who has only learned webdev languages, and someone who has only learned C, the C dev would be able to understand the webdev, but not the other way around

[hexed citrus]

not only that but the webdev will never be able to advance past a bachelors

unless they put in some serious effort to catch up

[waxen star]

I'm not "shoving it down the throats of the students" tho?
I'm using it as a tool to learn people the fundamentals.

[hexed citrus]

it's not a educational tool in any capacity

[waxen star]

Yet, it works really well.

[hexed citrus]

it's at best a side project to try out something outside of NodeJS

not anything to seriously consider, recommend or use

[severe falcon]

Anything related to javascript is not an educational tool for fundamentals in any way

[waxen star]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[severe falcon]

Use a programming language that actually makes sense

Only language ive used where it would only run async even if you told it not to

[waxen star]

But let's just agree to disagree.
I have my ways of teaching people, you have your ways of teaching people.

Honestly tho, this sounds more like hating JS for the sake of hating JS XD

[severe falcon]

For me, yes i am just hating on js because it deserves it

[hexed citrus]

I'm not hating on JS

I'm hating on Deno

because it's a side project someone that thinks they're better than NodeJS

when reality check, they're not

[waxen star]

I could use NodeJS for my students just fine.
I just prefer Deno because I don't have to bother my students with more than needed.

[severe falcon]

You dont want to bother them with more than needed, so you pick a webdev language???

[waxen star]

Yes, I pick the tool for the objective I have.

[severe falcon]

Oh man you want to make a button on this website? I hope you memorized all the bootstrap style keywords to make it how its supposed to look

[hexed citrus]

oh you need to handle a binary stream? let me deserialize it into strings and objects instead of structs

oh you need debug symbols? too bad go console.log stuff

[severe falcon]

Oh you need to query a database and display that info after you get it? Welcome to learning everything about async functions because its not gonna wait to get a result

[hexed citrus]

also about teching basics

scratch also qualifies if you go by the definition you said

of teaching flow, variables and such

[severe falcon]

Scratch is actually a good teaching tool tho cuz it shows you how its working at least

[hexed citrus]

and it does a better job of it since it visualizes these concepts which is the easiest for most people to grasp

[waxen star]

Ok, just a bunch of elitist that have never stood in front of a class.
next topic please

[hexed citrus]

look here cunt, I thought masters degree students semiconductor engineering for the duration of my PhD program so don't try to grandstand by saying you taught people

and before that I taught systems engineering classes to bachelors students

[waxen star]

Ok, you have stood in front of a class.
And now?

[hexed citrus]

don't try to use that as a argument for your shit takes

[waxen star]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Seems like I stepped on your toes

[hexed citrus]

no you resorted to something you thaught you can keep over our heads because you had no other arguments left

[waxen star]

Whatever man.
Keep coping.

[waxen star]

I actually hit my knee against my desk because I had to laugh

[hexed citrus]

[waxen star]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQmN-cxg21M

[vagrant holly]

Finally something that has a comparison to Psycho and not just the rasterized version

[slate cape]

for just an average user what read and write speeds should i look at for my nvme ssds?

i dont really wanna spend a bunch of money on one

was looking at the crucial p3, it seems decent enough

[hexed citrus]

any that has a RAM cache

[slate cape]

whats the benefit of it?

also, is 256-bit AES hardware-based encryption important?

[hexed citrus]

you won't have dogshit performance for random reads and writes which are something that happens often when the OS is running

and no hardware based encryption isn't that important

unless you're buying these for a goverment institution

[waxen star]

DRAM cache allows the mapping table to be stored into well, DRAM next to the controller rather than needing to ask the NAND chips for it all the time.
There is also something called "Host Memory Buffer" that allows DRAMless SSDs to utilize the DRAM of the CPU instead (but this still has a performance penalty).
Additionally, DRAM SSDs oftenuse the DRAM to cache reads and writes (which makes burst reads/writes a lot snappier as well).
In some cases DRAM-less SSDs can keep up or out-perform SSDs with DRAM but that only really happens with sequential reads/writes (big files) and is generally an exception rather than the rule.
Beyond that, meh... Get a respectable SSD like a Kingston A2000 or Samsung 970 and don't bother with shit like PCIe 4.0/PCIe 5.0 and those insanely high speeds... You'll very rarely be able to reach them in average day-to-day use.

256-bit AES hardware-based encryption is rarely useful except for govts or certain businesses.
My SSD does support it (I think?) but I never bothered with it since people having access to my PowerPoint presentations isn't exactly something I'm worried about.

also, tfw you spend 4 days trying to find a bug in your car's software... Just to realize the sensor itself was just broken
Damn thing randomly stopped showing my oil pressure so I thought I broke something in the software with the last update --'

[subtle hawk]

😭

i bought some cheap ssd on amazon

it works fine (not boot drive)

[glossy patrol]

My boot driveis still a £12 120GB KingDian

[subtle hawk]

i have a 970 evo plus

[glossy patrol]

Good for you

[waxen star]

my boot drive is an 860 QVO.
Does the job just fine and leaves my M.2 SSDs free for doing stuff that actually benefits from those speeds.

[glossy patrol]

Ew QVO

[waxen star]

It works fine ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[patent jasper]

Would 3060ti still be worth it today

Over say a 3050

[brisk oxide]

hey guys, looking to buy a new headset with mic in the category of 50-100$, any suggestions?

[glossy patrol]

Why wouldn't it be? All comes down to the price you get it for

[patent jasper]

Like uh

400 bones

[waxen star]

that just happened.

[severe falcon]

Commit messages are great

[waxen star]

I made that commit, not thinking much of it (thought 2 years ago me just forgot that await)... And then shit broke and I was like: "ah."

[rare herald]

RTX 2080ti or RTX A4000

[hexed citrus]

do you have a need for the A4000?

[paper goblet]

A4000 is weaker than a 2080Ti but consumes less power so

A4000 is more like a 3060Ti/2080S due to power and clock speeds

[glossy patrol]

Why is your choice just those two?

[waxen star]

What are your needs?
The A4000 is faster in FP32 and FP64 but loses out on FP16... So depending on your workload it could either be a faster card or a significantly weaker card (falling between a 2070S and 2080 in terms of FP16).
Furthermore, it has more VRAM, which benefits its use for machine learning and video editing.
The 2080 Ti however, is significantly cheaper (about 350 euro vs 1200 euro) so the price difference is something to keep in mind as well.
Is that bit of performance worth the 3.4x price?

Without knowing your needs, priorities and prices, it's impossible to state a clear winner.
Furthermore, like Iris mentioned... Have you looked at any alternatives?
A 6900 XT, for example, runs circles around both the 2080Ti and A4000... Ofc, it doesn't have CUDA (which may prevent some stuff from working nicely) nor does it have ECC VRAM like the A4000 (but you generally do not need this).

[rare herald]

gaming and heavy 3d rendering, currently using the old 28 core Xeon and multi GPU workstation pc from my office and it's starting to show it's age

[waxen star]

Which has your priority?
The RTX2080Ti will be faster in gaming, the A4000 in rendering (depending on the software).

[rare herald]

both since I'll doing it on the same PC

[glossy patrol]

Then it's a choice for you to make, if they're similarly priced
Also not suhre why those two are your only option

[hexed citrus]

3D rendering doesn't need a A4000

you can do it just fine with a consumer card

[rare herald]

my whole budget for the new build is $3000 Singapore dollars

and because of this which are normal tech store prices in my country

[hexed citrus]

that mobo and CPU combo seems like a decent deal

[rare herald]

Should I go for it and drop the cash on it

[hexed citrus]

up to you

[waxen star]

But which one is more important? I do gaming and video editing on the same PC as well, but video editing by far has the higher priority for me.

Then:
What is the difference in price? How does the difference in price justify one over the other for you?
Does the decrease in render time (please lookup some render benchmarks for this because I don't know your software nor am I familiar with 3D software as-is), mean you can churn out more projects, speed up production and increase revenue (thus profits)?
Or do you do primarily overnight renders (at which point as long as its done while you sleep, it doesn't matter)?
Or do you make no money at all from it and is it mainly time-saving (and how do those time savings really impact you)?
These are all things to take into consideration.

If the decrease in render time has a meaningful impact (eg. measurably more revenue): Go with the A4000.
Otherwise: Go with the RTX2080Ti.

Tho again, check online if there isn't another alternative... Maybe you can buy an RTX 7900XTX and use that? Or some other GPU?

[rare herald]

The 3d rendering is for controling the screens and lighting for stages like these

So it's done live on location

[quartz atlas]

never buy gpu local lol

also garbobyte

[waxen star]

If it's done live on location:

• Get the A4000
• Buy a PC DEDICATED to this (seriously... don't turn mission critical equipment into your personal playtoy).

[waxen star]

Gigabyte > basically anything else that isn't EVGA

[quartz atlas]

please

gigabyte qc sucks moth ass

and non existent support

shady anti-consumer practices

but hey, its your money

[rare herald]

Do you recommend laptop or full size full tower desktop computer

[rare herald]

Cause I'm ok with either one

[rare herald]

What about Asus ROG stuff

[waxen star]

Never had any issues with QC.
Never had issues with their support (mainly cus I never really needed them).
As if the other brands are squeeky clean anti-consumer practises.

[waxen star]

Depends on your needs...

[waxen star]

https://tenor.com/view/chef-trash-gif-18314912

[quartz atlas]

ah yes the good ol good brand cuz i dont have issues with them

[waxen star]

"I" in this case reflects all my customers as well but hey, keep coping.

[quartz atlas]

[rare herald]

There's this new brand called XLR8 and there's a lot of good reviews about them

[waxen star]

XLR8 is PNY iirc? So should be fine in theory...

[quartz atlas]

anyways for sg market, i'd just buy one from states and import in, saves about 20%

[rare herald]

Yeah just a new branch out with different names I guess

[quartz atlas]

just make sure u find one with a local distributor if and when u run into issues

[rare herald]

Thanks

[rare herald]

The only good stuff they have are the gaming phones and PC cases I guess

[quartz atlas]

For the rendering side honestly, I came from a environment where we have hundreds of workstations running Quadros

they're used mainly for CAD work

but we're switching them out for consumer models

cant fight the price effectiveness

[waxen star]

both of which are very subjectively XD
"gaming phones" are kinda gimmicks imo.
Their PC cases are hideous imo (I prefer clean shit like the Corsair Obsidian-series).

[rare herald]

In my old workplace everyone used PCs that have 28 core Xeons and 4 1080ti GPUs

Those were the fun times before the company went under forever

[quartz atlas]

dang, sme or mnc?

hard to think that there would be SMEs who are willing to fork out that kind of cash

[rare herald]

Mnc

[quartz atlas]

ye expected

[rare herald]

Now I work for my friend's sme doing autocad and the event stuff shown above

[quartz atlas]

meh, lots of SMEs using Autocad

cant be too much of a coincidence

the event stuff is just freelance tho? or actually part of your role?

[rare herald]

At least we have the 5-10 million yearly profits

[waxen star]

My advice:

• Write down what your needs and priorities are... (eg. Do you need to be mobile a lot? How often do you need it fork "work" related stuff? etc.)
• Check what your software prefers (eg. no use buying AMD if the software fetishes for CUDA).
• See what your budget constraints are.

And also think about the impact of it breaking... Especially if you want to play games on it (and make it your little play toy)...

• If my main PC dies, I can swap over to a different PC pretty easily and go on.
• My data wrangling machine for on-set is a dedicated machine (it must always work or I'm boned, so I can't rake a risk there).

After that you can consider:

• Do I need a desktop or a laptop?
• What parts can I put in software wise?
• What parts can I put in budget wise?

[quartz atlas]

just tell me your sector is not construction

[rare herald]

The event stuff is a personal hobby that me, my father, uncle and grandfather do

[rare herald]

Pro AV

[quartz atlas]

ah, will u be doing on-set?

if on-set i'd say go with a macbook at your budget honestly

SGD$3000 wont get u much in terms of a gpu geared laptop locally, that can match up to apple

[rare herald]

Pro AV as in stuff like corporate meeting rooms, boardrooms video conference systems and whatnot

[rare herald]

I'm not good with Mac os I'm a windows only kind of person

[subtle hawk]

windows

!!!!!

[rare herald]

I'll tell you the stuff tomorrow good night for now

[waxen star]

gn homie o7

[rare herald]

gn o7

[quartz atlas]

Same tbh, always hated macs, especially in a managed environment. But hard to deny the advances they made in recent years tho.

[waxen star]

I still hate macs with a passion but there also is no real denying the part where Macs are very user-friendly.

[subtle hawk]

yesssssssssss

i hate the fact that the right to repair is horrible on them though

i have one and it's simple to use

boot up, do homework, sleep

it does take away the fun of a computer just absolutely breaking down when you do something though

[waxen star]

yea, that's why I hate Macs (or Apple in general) so much xD

[rare herald]

My first gaming PC was a Dell optiplex crapbox found beside a trash can 6 years ago, I still use it till today

Specs
I7 6700
32GB of ram ( 8GB X 4 sticks )
Creative soundblaster audigy 5/rx
2TB sata SSD
3TB HDD

[waxen star]

my first gaming PC had a Q6600 and an HIS HD4670 iSilence4 xD
Also still have it (albeit in parts)

[waxen star]

@rare herald Found a machine for you XD
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/mediaworkstations-192-epyc-core-mobile-workstation

[glossy patrol]

This really isn't helpful when doing helpful

[glossy patrol]

Nothing wrong with doing so at all

[glossy patrol]

Optiplex chad

[lilac spindle]

Think fish was talking about singapore in context

Which yeah in context singapore's local prices are very high

[solar steppe]

my mobo is gigabyte because it was personally suggested since I couldnt find a good mobo

[glossy patrol]

Just buy whatever's good
QC is a hard thing to genuinely judge unless there's a true overarching trend which can be proved via media, across a wide variety of products

[solar steppe]

idc

[glossy patrol]

Did I say you did? Was I directly replying to the contents of your message?

[rare herald]

Thanks but that's way out of my budget

[glossy patrol]

They were clearly joking

[rare herald]

Good morning everyone

[subtle hawk]

good morning

:)'

[rare herald]

my arms hurt so much

pulled a all-nighter gaming with college friends on assetto corsa at friend's house

[subtle hawk]

assetto corsa

i can't focus at a game for more than 20 minutes

unless it's GTAV or just cause 3

headphones, and i can sit for at least 3 hours, just playing with full focus

[waxen star]

Now try an 8 stage forest rally in 1 sitting with an 11Nm direct drive wheel

Your arms will be spaghetti.

[rare herald]

actually we all had 8nm wheels with 100% force feedback all night

fanatec csl 8nm

[waxen star]

Fair... tho tbf, Track driving all night is a lot easier on the arms than Rally

[rare herald]

but still do you recommend running 100% force feedback 24/7 on the wheel

my irl driving is quite decent since I have one of these that I bought few years ago

[hexed citrus]

track driving is taxing on your arms while flight simming is taxing on your mind

[severe falcon]

BANK ANGLE
TERRAIN
PULL UP
OVERSPEED

[rare herald]

Did a few drifts on local track day luckily didn't crash just spined out a lot

[hexed citrus]

not that, just paying attention to ATC and making regular reports when you cross the ocean

[waxen star]

Depends... I generally try to find a balance of: "Wheel tries to break my wrist" and "I can turn it 180 easily".
Basically, if I have to fight my wheel to flip it upside down, it's too strong.

[waxen star]

my irl driving compared to my sim driving is day and night.
mainly because irl, I get additional information that I need simply by being able to feel the weight of my car shift...
Like, unless you have one of those fancy motorized seat rigs (the one that physically throws you around), you miss a lot of information that is really useful while driving).

My car isn't all that impressive tbf since I don't have a lot of money and cars are stupidly expensive (and laws are very strict).
Basically even something as simple as removing the mid-muffler can mean my car is no longer street legal.

[rare herald]

my mechanical keyboard with tactile switches is so old and worn out right now that the tactile switches feel like linear switches now, the tactile bump feeling is completely gone now sadge

[waxen star]

F... My switches came out of the box tactile af (made my "old" Cherry MX Brownboard literally feel like linears) so I should be fine for a while.

[subtle hawk]

lmfao

[dull kraken]

first battleship is made in 1869

ez

technology

[paper goblet]

I'm very late, but from the limited experience I have with wheel driving (I owned a G29 for a year but my excitement quickly faded away), I wouldn't recommend 100% simply due to FFB clipping

Better wheels encounter FFB clipping later, but those better wheels are also stronger, so 100% is going to be too strong (honestly, G29 100% was already too strong for me)

[rare herald]

mine is a lot more expensive and pro grade

[paper goblet]

it's kinda personal preference at the end of the day

Use whatever feels good to you

[rare herald]

I'm using a fanatec csl 8nm which I regret splurging way to much money on it

[waxen star]

I personally thought the G29 was insanely light.
I currently run 13Nm on my DD1 and it's about perfect (still a bit too light but if I put it higher, I'm dead by the end of 1 stage).

[mental dagger]

Lol

[waxen star]

the what now?

[buoyant sapphire]

Guys, I just build a new computer but I can't connect it to the internet because for no reason at all, my adapter setting folder is empty, and the computer can't detect any routers at all.

[rare herald]

have you tried both Wi-Fi and wired internet

[buoyant sapphire]

yes, I even plugged in an ethernet cable and still nothing

I restarted my router and computer, but for some reason it still doesn't detect anything.

[rare herald]

Take your phone and connect it to your computer with a USB 3.0 cable and turn on the USB tethering, and see if you get anything

It allows the computer to use your phone's mobile data via a high speed USB cable

@buoyant sapphire does it work for you now

[buoyant sapphire]

I think so

YUP, thanks a lot man!

[rare herald]

this is just a temporary fix but now that you have internet try find the wifi and ethernet drivers for your motherboard from the brand's site and update them if you have to, also check the motherboard bios to see if the network is hard disabled or something and try to reenable it or something

[waxen star]

These kinda issues make me miss those driver frisbees you'd get with motherboards
Like, sure, they were useless 99.99999% of the time but boii were you happy if you needed them for once xD

[rare herald]

https://youtu.be/hgu0ArYkHQw

[silver kite]

I coded a chatbot using Python and ChatGPT, but I can no longer pay for OpenAI's API so I think of giving away the source code on github

[rare herald]

Is it weird for me to do multi- thousand dollar accounting calculations in my mind easily even though I'm a complete failure when it comes to math in school

[hexed citrus]

accounting calculus is fairly simple compared to say fourier transforms

[rare herald]

FR same

[waxen star]

I already struggle with basic arithmetic

[rare herald]

At least I hope these don't get yeeted out of existence

[waxen star]

I have 1 in my PC still :p
Then again I still buy CDs every now and then (and then just rip em)

[rare herald]

Same here the sound quality difference compared to ripping songs from YouTube is just day and night

So CDs and CD drives 4 the win I guess

[waxen star]

yuh, quality is better but it also supports the artists a bit.

[rare herald]

Yeah I agree with you on that one though 12" vinyl records are the GOAT

$100

[waxen star]

I personally don't care much for vinyls but as a collectible they are kinda neat.

[subtle hawk]

yes

until they warp

[waxen star]

true

[subtle hawk]

that's why you have to have a temperature regulated room for that stuff

[glossy patrol]

Anybody know how MSI AB (Rivertuner) refers to cores Vs threads? Is it 11223344 or 12341234?

[waxen star]

Doing a little benchmark on physical cores only, I get this result.
For me, the odds are physical cores, the evens are threads.

[glossy patrol]

Gotcha, thanks

[glossy patrol]

Was just cleaning it up

Tried Googling, but couldn't quite understand the newer options, such as one that would make you think it states the current RAM usage of your in-focus process, but then gives me different readings

So I've kept it simple

[waxen star]

Neat.
I never use Riva tbf.

[glossy patrol]

A blessing for troubleshooting, truly
But now I just like seeing it there

[solar steppe]

yippee she arrived

third monitor is working now yay!!

[lilac spindle]

that's DP to HDMI right

[solar steppe]

reverse

[lilac spindle]

Ah

[solar steppe]

yeah my gpu has 3 display ports and 1 hdmi

unfortunately I made the conscious choice to get a slightly older second monitor simply bc it has better eye care since I tend to stare at white screens a lot

uses hdmi

[lilac spindle]

makes sense that GPUs have more DP than HDMI

HDMI has licensing costs

something like $0.15-0.25 per port afaik

[solar steppe]

yeah and my gpu is 3070 so is quite modern too

[lilac spindle]

Wish TVs had DP ports as well as HDMI ports

at least 1 would be cool

[inland marsh]

For some reason DP KVM switches are much rarer and more expensive than HDMI one

[rare herald]

Waifu themed GPUs anyone

Rx 5700XT, RTX 3070 and RTX 3080

[hexed citrus]

seen them before

yeston's whole schtick is that they make waifu GPUs

[rare herald]

but at those prices you are really better off finding a fe or decent custom card from other brands for cheaper I guess

[quartz atlas]

Holy babymetal

[glossy patrol]

Well obviously, but that's not the point of them

[rare herald]

thanks

[subtle hawk]

Well, beggars cannot be choosers I guess

when I see all the current cheap chinese phones right now

no, don't recommend me apple, I won't buy it even when I would have a huge sum of cash

the reason relies on, I have to use that so called trend named notch/punch hole

[glossy patrol]

The hate for the notch is *stupid. It's not taking up otherwise useful estate unless the notch is abnormally large

And nobody is recommending you Apple, or anything really, because you haven't asked

[subtle hawk]

again, I do not state any hate for Notch/punch hole

because the ones that kept the non-notch are too expensive to buy so yeah, had to resolve to notches and punch holes and adapt

[glossy patrol]

The only other alternative is pop-up, so no idea what you mean

But sure

[subtle hawk]

no new models for pop ups rn

[glossy patrol]

I wonder why?

Oh right, they're pretty ass, that's why

[subtle hawk]

overtime wear

and unable to be "water proof'd"

[subtle hawk]

Redmi Note 12 Pro 5G
Realme 9 Pro+ 5G
Xiaomi 12 Lite(No Jacks tho, I ain't an earpods user, full on wired headset)
iQOO Z7 5G

Which I should choose tho

[glossy patrol]

MIUI is aids
Enough said

I'd take a OnePlus Nord 1 over all of those

Or a Pixel 6a
Or a Samsung Note 10

[subtle hawk]

Hmmm... all of them are outside of my planned budget range

T_T

[glossy patrol]

Then your country is stupid

[subtle hawk]

Ugh... sorry to live in such stupid country

500 US$ too much for me rn
Can only take something in 200$~345$ ish(IDRp 3M- IDRp 5M, Indonesian Rupiah), can't plan above Rp 5M

[subtle hawk]

wanna something that is 8/256 GB, quite decent to run on Genshin/NIKKE, but on this range: 200~334$

But, Iris, I thanked you for not recommending me an Apple phone

[glossy patrol]

iPhones are personal preference. There's nothing inherently wrong with them. I don't like iOS, so I didn't recommend one. Nothing more to it than that

[subtle hawk]

I don't like them, too much muni for one heck of device

[glossy patrol]

Well that's utterly down to which one you buy.

[subtle hawk]

Hmmm... oh okay then :v

[waxen star]

Stay from Xiaomi... I have Xiaomi for about 3 years now and I hate the software with a passion

Like, hardware-wise: They are fine.
Software-wise... oh boii... 24/7 annoyance...

[subtle hawk]

ok

iQoo then?

[glossy patrol]

Yeah, IMUI is just hot garbage. Only get an Xiaomi if you plan to root, IMO

[glossy patrol]

Literally never heard of it, honestly

[rare herald]

What about ONE UI 5.1

[glossy patrol]

Used to be pretty shit but it's alright now

[rare herald]

At least that's the only good stuff from Samsung phones I guess

[glossy patrol]

Main issue with Samsungs is if you can't get a Snapdragon chip where you are

[rare herald]

Yeah their exynos chips are hot garbage

Luckly I have a note 9 snapdragon 845 and note 20 ultra Snapdragon 865+

Wasn't available locally since we only had the exynos chips

I had to import from the US

[subtle hawk]

IQOO from Vivo iirc but ok

[waxen star]

Even then it's iffy... custom ROMs for them (or at least, my specific phone) are hot garbage as well...
I hopped ROMs a bit but then went back to stock because all the custom ROMs had major things that just didn't work.

[subtle hawk]

hmmmm.... What could I ask

I want Phones that the max price is below 334$ aka Rp 5 Million

can't ask for more, like 1+ Nord, Pixel 6, and Note 10

and I want the phone to have 256/512 GB of space

[glossy patrol]

You're not getting 256 or 512 if you can't even afford a Pixel 6a or OnePlus Nord

[subtle hawk]

....

the ones I listed above is 8/256 phones

[subtle hawk]

this reality is cruel, very cruel

but beggars can't be choosers

[glossy patrol]

Both the Nord and 6a have ⁶/₁₂₈ options.

[subtle hawk]

hmmm... oh ok

I know

wait I got something in might a bit above my budget but it will do

and no, this one is either samsung or OnePlus

no Xiaomis

nah I will just settle myself with this

This one

Might +25% Over the budget, but this will do for long term shits

And at least, this one is decent to be brought here

[glossy patrol]

Ehhhh