I mean Red Magic isnt about the camera. It's about gaming lol
#technology
ashen zodiac
subtle hawk
....
But, if I am forced to pick
yeah
I rather under screen than punch hole
plz under screen IMO
IMO punch hole seemed like... wtf
I dunno if gamers would like to see their phone screen have some punch holes or not
subtle hawk
Considering most, if not all phones have "hole punch" / "punch hole" front camera, you tend to get used to it and start ignoring it
Unless you have trypophobia or OCD
subtle hawk
yeah
subtle hawk
why punch hole seemed good in your PoV?
little seal
why punch hole seemed good in your PoV?
because theres always that one kid named Kyle
glossy patrol
why punch hole seemed good in your PoV?
Smaller footprint for the same function
Unsure what there isn't to like Vs a notch
subtle hawk
Hmmm... efficiency eh
glossy patrol
It's more efficient, lol. Less estate taken
subtle hawk
explains the whole trend
glossy patrol
Well OFC
subtle hawk
Also, if I ain't recommended to buy ROG Phone 6(Even it is the one that fulfils my phone wishlist(No Notch/Punch hole/Just your standard bezel)) and... I don't want(Will Never Want, and will do my best to resist) iPhone(That 90% of the money ran into si called aReNDeh and apple logo and so called Security)
Then what is on your mind for other reccomendation
ashen zodiac
ROG Phone 6 suffers the same issue as ROG Phone 5
Snaps in half
Also ASUS doesn't update their phones at all
subtle hawk
hmmm.... Snaps in half?
Also... Can you recommend my any other brand that is not Apple?
little seal
what about a Linux phone?
little seal
Still, Linux phones could be just as popular, just need more advertising and the phones need better specifications (more then 6GB of RAM and 16GB of Storage)
glossy patrol
i don’t recommend Nothing since the phone specs are pretty mid
It's specs are nearly spot-on for it's price point, and neither are they hugely relevant
glossy patrol
Also... Can you recommend my any other brand that is not Apple?
Samsung
HUAWEI (eh)
Oppo
OnePlus
Xiaomi
Google
ruby yarrow
There's also Motorola and even Nokia too
lilac spindle
Still, Linux phones could be just as popular, just need more advertising and the...
App compatibility is the main problem
and tbh Android is a modified Linux kernel anyway
subtle hawk
Samsung
HUAWEI (eh)
Oppo
OnePlus
Xiaomi
Google
Thanks I guess
subtle hawk
i don’t recommend Nothing since the phone specs are pretty mid
Your Recommendations is Apple? Tell me why then...
ashen zodiac
Nothing is fine for midship
lilac spindle
Oneplus software support is getting worse by the year
mental coyote
Moto's ain't spectacular, either. Yer lucky to get 2 version updates.
subtle hawk
Nothing is fine for midship
What is the one that you don't think it is mid?
ashen zodiac
Not Oppo either
Oppo is just the sister brand of OnePlus except more stuck with the stupid Color OS
hexed citrus
lilac spindle
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/614181911920771091/1063666428932268082/...
I wonder how much current that poor resistor had
subtle hawk
Are OPs really that garbo? Never had the opportunity to use one.
They screwed the pooch by switching to ColorOS
My 8 Pro had a lot of glitches where the display would freak out and wouldn't accept any input, more than once
So yeah, I've said no to OnePlus
So I'm personally staying on Samsung or iPhone, done with experimenting with other brands
ashen zodiac
They didn't switch to ColorOS. They tried to merge ColorOS into Oxygen OS.
Oppo is ColorOS lol.
subtle hawk
Oh yeah, I think I got that backwards honestly
But yeah, my point being that I'm done with OP
ashen zodiac
Same.
glossy patrol
Are OPs really that garbo? Never had the opportunity to use one.
Gems mixed in with crap
OnePlus Nord 1 is the goat
subtle hawk
don't tell me that 99% of you guys will actually suggest an apple If I don't say anything but them
Yes, I too would go with Apple, because I certainly don't feel like ever buying an ROG, Red Magic (literal who in my eyes) or something off-brand
as expected
Quite indeed
Are apple phones cost effective and have good spec to price ratio tho?
I think Android are more cost effective and have better spec to price ratio
but again, do enlighten me
I'm just saying what I would go for still, despite the last time I've used an iPhone, was back in 2014 to 2016, iPhone 6
However, I might get an iPhone again in future, don't have to buy it on launch, can buy it later on when the price drops
Ironically though, that same iPhone 6 is on iOS 12.5, cannot go higher than that, and even with 1GB of RAM, it can still do stuff
Hmmm.... oh okay tho, thanks for the info....
that might be put into the consideration for the next phone of mine, if... somehow I get lucky with money
ashen zodiac
I'd honestly get an iPhone. iOS is pretty shit for my use but it's really optimized and easy to use. I'd prefer if I can install Android on it.
I'd also wait till the USB C phones are out.
subtle hawk
Might put this opinion to the consideration of the next phone of mine then... If you said Iphone was easy to use
iphone is a great phone, although it is more expsnvie
androids aren't more cost effective, since the caveats are mostly in the camera and software
subtle hawk
Yes, I too would go with Apple, because I certainly don't feel like ever buying ...
i thought of redmagic, until i saw how shit their cameras were
ashen zodiac
It's not a camera phone, it's a gaming phone. lol
If you wanted a camera phone, get a Pixel 7 Pro
little seal
I like this feaure on Samsung phones and tablets. (Minimum requirements
OS: Android 12
UI: One UI 4.0 )
subtle hawk
ram swap?
yeah ram swap
it's an eh feature, considering many phones have like 8-16gb ram now
shocking a phone has more ram than my computer
ashen flare
Most decent laptops have 8gb ram
restive gazelle
i was refering to Plans post
subtle hawk
whos plans
restive gazelle
like if he says that most decent laptops have 8 then there are still laptops below 8
subtle hawk
oH
restive gazelle
uh
restive gazelle
the one you were talking to?
ashen flare
subtle hawk
yes 💀
ashen flare
like if he says that most decent laptops have 8 then there are still laptops bel...
Have not seen any laptops below 8gb in a while
subtle hawk
cuz there won't be any
restive gazelle
mm that's why i was confused, cause i didn't see any either
ashen flare
If yo laptop has less than 8gbs of ram you need a new laptop
ashen flare
my bad
subtle hawk
my primary laptop is a m2 macbook air
ashen flare
my primary laptop is a 16gb gen 11 i7 Inspiron 15
ashen flare
I have two other ones where they are both 1TB storages with i5 gen 9
subtle hawk
woah
ashen flare
8gb though
ashen flare
My laptops are the Library of Alexandria for memes
subtle hawk
ashen flare
also lot of anime stashes
subtle hawk
ah
ashen flare
subtle hawk
i stashed 500gb of anime minis
so it's like 100-150 anime seasons
wait no, it's like 50-100
ashen flare
I have about 570 gbs of anime drawings
subtle hawk
i'm using ffmpeg, and uh, i'm getting 13 fps from x264 to x265 lossless
ashen flare
Last i checked
subtle hawk
it's so stupid annoyin
ashen flare
im planning to build a PC
subtle hawk
lg tv's are so pitiful
i fucking hate dlna
why do i need an extention on this nas to play dlna
why can't it just use smb
lilac spindle
there are laptops that still have below 8?
some chromebooks and netbooks
and they are so fucking sluggish even with an SSD
subtle hawk
some use eMMC
subtle hawk
androids aren't more cost effective, since the caveats are mostly in the camera ...
Hmmmm... Camera and software eh...
ashen zodiac
I don't own a M1 macbook. 
subtle hawk
And I ain't paying over 4 grand for it where I live
4 grand?
it was li ke 1100 here with 3 year applecare
I'm in one of the countries in Europe, not US fam
i'm not in the US fam
And yes, just checked, if I convert local currency to USD, it's roughly 2 grand
It was more than that the other day so it looks like it dropped off
so it isn't the 4 grand you're saying
I'm saying the price has dropped off
it shouldn't
Well here it does
can u send ss
Why would I?
nvm
it's fine
You don't understand the language and I don't feel like showing it honestly
language?
And it's not "trust me bro" as well, I know how well the Apple stuff is expensive here
Yes, language. There are languages besides English
you're speaking english right now though
That's not my point
lmfao what
vagrant holly
subtle hawk
Let me try to simplify it: I'm not sharing the websites because you don't understand the language that my country uses, which is not English
Better?
you sound less selfish taht way
yeah
ty
Selfish?
idk the word
but nvm that
what model of macbooka re we compring to?
cuz the 4 grand is pretty high
M2 MacBook Pro
ashen zodiac
I'll buy one from the IT auction at work when they sell it.
Not gonna go out of my way to get an M1 macbook
subtle hawk
M2 MacBook Pro
i think you're talking base model
No, I know what I'm talking
i have the m2 air
ashen zodiac
And I know they just got a bunch of new ones lmao
subtle hawk
les goooooo
So I'm looking at 13" M2 MacBook Pro, which is $2380 (converted from local currency to USD)
It was almost 4k when it got imported here, and the price has slowly started dropping off, and I'm talking new
what
it's so much more expensive when i bought the laptop
it's 1120 usd
Again, different countries, different prices
we're using USD as a baseline
both of us aren't in usa
let's both use USD?
subtle hawk
And I know they just got a bunch of new ones lmao
that's a lot of money
I'm also in the country where a Z Flip 4 (8GB RAM / 256GB storage) launched for $1170 when it came out, and now you can easily find it for $700 new
list currency pls
don't be an ass
I'm not sharing it
convert it to USD
so i can understand it
That was USD above
well then LABEL IT
?? I mean using the $ symbol isn't enough?
there's cad and usd
You went over your own statement there
So I figured I don't have to address it any more?
alr then
my bad
it's still 800 here
the z flip 4
mind you, that's the 8/128 model
subtle hawk
people have different needs
hmmm... understandable
and I forgot to extend the words.... of that cameras and softwares...
I was meant, "okay then, it is understandable..."
ah
all good
I mean, while I don't need such fancy things as cameras and softwares since I ain't your average instagram/tiktok opener guy and more to a gamer side of things... but I do understand such people who love to take selfies/make a short video about little things/food photography does exists
hence, kinda understandable when someone recommending an iPhone for that
yeah
it’s like a snap and go type thing
wish they supported raw tho
i really want to edit the photos the produce
runic hill
Techd
subtle hawk
?
stone needle
And I know they just got a bunch of new ones lmao
Why so many apple
Also that unsafe
Work health safety
ashen zodiac
Why so many apple
Kids get Macbooks and iPads.
Staff get a choice between a Thinkpad or Macbook.
little seal
Why so many apple
It's just simple to use
stone needle
Ahh I see
subtle hawk
there's still a good amount of freedom in macbooks
lilac spindle
this dude thinks nobody plays in 1080p at all, despite it still being one of the most popular resolutions along with 1366x768
little seal
this dude thinks nobody plays in 1080p at all, despite it still being one of the...
Thankfully I have this list that provides further proof why people still use 1080p
stone needle
This my life right now
Data transfer 12tb > 24tb drive
Using Heat Resistant Tape
Worry about stacking drive cause of vibration
Shunk the two 12tb 7200rpm $299 WD Elements Desktop HDD
If internal would be $350+
Data horde
$299 12tb
Australia 🇦🇺
rough sedge
migrating files from HDD to SSD
gonna take at least 7 hours 
hexed citrus
rookie numbers
when u have to resilver a whole array that takes 3 days and in that time u can't access any of the data and pray that no other drive will fail
rough sedge
yeah but this is on my personal machine
a 7 hour transfer on this thing is a pain in the ass
rough sedge
no not personal server
personal computer lol
personal server has 48 drives in it, I'm well aware of that pain too
ocean berry
❗
glossy patrol
this dude thinks nobody plays in 1080p at all, despite it still being one of the...
I am one to advocate for a move to 1440p in all but extreme budget environments; even to those who, in a gaming context, may not be able to run their games too well at 1440p
glossy patrol
Thankfully I have this list that provides further proof why people still use 108...
This list means nothing, as 4GB cards have been the low-end for years, and cards with 2GB's of VRAM are not pushing even 1080p too well
little seal
This list means nothing, as 4GB cards have been the low-end for years, and cards...
Okay, but the list has to do with VRAM for just the screen resolution, like using a 4GB GPU to run 1080p. So, 2GB is left for anything else
glossy patrol
Then it's even more pointless, as that's utterly wrong
And really not how VRAM works
glossy patrol
More like 4K is the gimmic when it comes to consumer displays
little seal
Then it's even more pointless, as that's utterly wrong
Well I didn't notice https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs updated the recommend resolution on the search option. (either that or I didn't go by the majority)
glossy patrol
1440p is an incredible sweet spot that is becoming more widely adopted for all devices. Of course, it's benefits degrade as the display becomes smaller and/or you sit further away, but that's just how resolution works
2160p is a vastly higher quantity of pixels for diminishing returns when it comes to the balance of sitting distance, display size, and the workload of an average user (i.e a gamer)
2160p is no doubt nice for some content consumption and professional work, but with content consumption, you can often to switch to 1440p and have a truly identical experience (again depending on other factors. I recommend one not put their noses on their display or use a 35" display (excluding UW's) for their desk)
1440p should absolutely become the norm for all but entry level gaming and content viewing. Unfortunately, it is a resolution that not a lot of things such as cable TV are made for, hence why you don't really find 1440p TV's
hexed citrus
1440p scaling is absolute crap
the resolution is not quite 1080p nor proper 4K so you have to have non gaming content adjust to the inbetween
not to mention the benefit from 1080p at least is marginal at best
I better get a higher refresh rate 1080p display than spend that same money on a 1440p display
ashen zodiac
I like higher refresh at 1080p over less refresh at 1440p.
ashen zodiac
I still need a new GPU lol
Trying to get a 3060 off Amazon cause I got $150 in gift cards from work
hexed citrus
selling ur soul to bezos again?
ashen zodiac
There wasn't any other kind of gift cards
ashen zodiac
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2023/01/09/first-ai-robot-lawyer-donotpay/11018060002/ lmfao. Let's go.
subtle hawk
If I want some good laptop...
and has a touch screen
ROG Flow Z13, Razer Blade Pro 17 RTX 2080, or you guys gonna scream at me and recommending macbook then buy some "device" that enables any screen to be a touch screen instead?
or is there any other recommendations
inland marsh
How come a 13 inch tablet and a 17 inch desktop replacement even end up in the same consideration?
rough sedge
glossy patrol
not to mention the benefit from 1080p at least is marginal at best
It is huge, the difference.
glossy patrol
the resolution is not quite 1080p nor proper 4K so you have to have non gaming c...
No common content has this problem, particularly when most content will merely be 1080p upscaled, which would look next to identical to genuine 1080p content with the variable becoming display size
glossy patrol
or is there any other recommendations
Recommendation: no touchscreen unless used for professional work such as drawing, to which then a tablet is better still
inland marsh
1440p at ~27" is quite a sweet spot
glossy patrol
It is a lovely sweet spot indeed
A definite go-to recommendation for the vast majority of users
hexed citrus
wispy nova
A quick question: can anyone recommend me a good laptop that has 16GB of Ram and the SSD of either 512GB or 1000GB?
I'm thinking of replacing my old computer later down this year.
inland marsh
Pick whatever with spec/design you fancy first. Then add or change the RAM/SSD yourself if it doesn't match, or at least ask the shop to do that for you.
Don't forget to check reviews of the specific model number, or similar series of the same model year. A lot of problem with performance, usability, upgradability or repairability are usually not readily apparent from the promotional materials alone
Personally tho, RAM and SSD are the lowest consideration when I buy a laptop. I'd buy one with no RAM and SSD if there's one
FWIW retailers (at least here) rarely specify what kind of RAM or SSD you actually get. What channel config, which rank and org, etc.
Preconfigured single channel RAM for example used to be (and sometimes still is) the bane of many "gaming" laptop.
glossy patrol
Only thing you have to care about is if it has soldered RAM or not
And those two requirements are way too broad to make a suggestion. There are £300 laptops with such and £1000 laptops with such
subtle hawk
never ever get a windows laptop with soldered ram
subtle hawk
Mac book gross
they are? i daily drive one
glossy patrol
No, it's just typical Apple hate
subtle hawk
That new M2 Mac mini at $599 is dirt cheap honestly, I might even pick it up in future
subtle hawk
yeah
seems good
i drive m2 macbook air it’s so good
with cooling i could actually do something on it lmfao
glossy patrol
Macbook Air when it's cooling solution is literally a wafer of aluminium:
stone needle
they are? i daily drive one
Mac user
glossy patrol
it cools enough though
Huge technically to that
It's only sufficient due to it being targeted for very bursty loads
Sustained, it utterly flops and dies
And it's a huge flaw that they didn't need to implement
glossy patrol
Was pretty funny, how shite they seemed for a 150USD combo
subtle hawk
And it's a *huge* flaw that they didn't need to implement
eh?
sustained, it works
still better than the m1
the thermals just make it look bad
and the demographic of whom the macbook air is directed to (i think) doesn’t require the hugest wirkloads
well only software encoding makes my machine flip
anything else doesn’t knock it
glossy patrol
Mate, under sustained loads of craps itself because its literally using the smallest heatsink known to man
I'm pretty sure, under sustained, it falls below the M1. Would have to double-check that
glossy patrol
the thermals just make it look bad
It's only sufficient due to it being targeted for very bursty loads
subtle hawk
I'm pretty sure, under sustained, it falls *below* the M1. Would have to double-...
it doesn’t
subtle hawk
and the demographic of whom the macbook air is directed to (i think) doesn’t req...
^
@glossy patrol
happy?
it runs hot but it performs well
subtle hawk
Mate, under sustained loads of craps itself because its literally using the smal...
it improves upon the soc, reducing power usage and increasing performance…
mate, do you have any of the macbooks?
glossy patrol
No, neither do I have to, and neither will I
glossy patrol
it improves upon the soc, reducing power usage and increasing performance…
Obviously
subtle hawk
so what’s your point lmfaooooo
glossy patrol
Same as it was before
hexed citrus
that you're terribly biased and ignorant? got it
glossy patrol
Nice laptop
Gimped unnecessarily by a wafer for a heatsink
Suffers in sustained
glossy patrol
that you're terribly biased and ignorant? got it
Biased towards what
Ignorant to what
Can't just spout negative words
Infact don't answer that as I honestly don't care. Pretty objective, what I have stated
hexed citrus
it was objective 5-6 years ago
now with the M1 being around it doesn't need active cooling to trounce on other similarly specced laptops
and that's a fact
you just doubling down on ur own takes instead of having a proper discussion (just like tabak) is not really something most here would engage with
glossy patrol
- Does need active cooling for sustained
- Didn't at all mention anything other an Apple silicone
subtle hawk
silicon*
i’m explaining that the sustained workload is not something the macbook air is designed for
and it is supposed to BE LIKE THAT
Iris, you seem very closed minded, and it’s hard to talk with you
subtle hawk
1. Does need active cooling for sustained
2. Didn't at all mention anything oth...
no shit it need active cooling, everything does
but do you see phones with fans????
it’s like a phone, it’s compact
hexed citrus
there's a difference between "it will work even better with active cooling" vs "it requires active cooling to even perform according to its spec sheet"
glossy patrol
No because phones use vastly smaller and lower power chips
subtle hawk
no shit that’s 20 watts
the m2 draws 20 watts
the gen1+ draws 15w iirc
one has an entire laptop frame, one has a small frame
hexed citrus
the M1 in the air is 10W
subtle hawk
ooh it is?
hexed citrus
it is
subtle hawk
then that’s even less heated
so the m1 is very efficient, and it doesn’t need a fan (for a laptop)
hexed citrus
the air is also not designed to be a mobile workstation
but more as a general use portable computer
glossy patrol
Very little is designed to be a mobile workstation
subtle hawk
No because phones use vastly smaller and lower power chips
no? the m series apple silicon uses is based on a phones
hexed citrus
you want a powerhouse get the pro
subtle hawk
A series iphones
glossy patrol
no? the m series apple silicon uses is based on a phones
It's based on ARM
subtle hawk
NO SHIT IRIS
glossy patrol
On a larger scale
glossy patrol
Yeah, I know that
What of it
subtle hawk
it doesn’t need cooling
hexed citrus
you can make ARM chips have a TDP of 160W, your point?
glossy patrol
Technically does as it throttles
subtle hawk
you can make ARM chips have a TDP of 160W, your point?
i just wanted to say that the m1/m2 doesn’t need cooling
it’s a thin laptop
the pro laptop is thicker
subtle hawk
Technically does as it throttles
get the macbook pro?
hexed citrus
the heat output of the chip can be tweaked according to what u want
glossy patrol
get the macbook pro?
Or they could just fit a proper cooling solution (could even still be passive)
hexed citrus
obv not by the user but it can be adapted
subtle hawk
ARM chips do need cooling if they draw a lot of power, but that’s not the case here
subtle hawk
Or they could just fit a proper cooling solution (could even still be passive)
it will make the experience of the laptop worse
heat the backside to burn your legs?
glossy patrol
No it won't
hexed citrus
Or they could just fit a proper cooling solution (could even still be passive)
ok miss thermal design engineer, then what is ur solution outside of "proper cooling"
glossy patrol
heat the backside to burn your legs?
Where's that from then
subtle hawk
a laptop
glossy patrol
Okay but how did you get that from my message
subtle hawk
a fucking laptop with your form of cooling
glossy patrol
ok miss thermal design engineer, then what is ur solution outside of "proper coo...
- Active cooling
Or - Reasonable thermal mass
subtle hawk
thermal mass is jackshit
hexed citrus
like that solves anything
subtle hawk
where would you place it smh
glossy patrol
Means a lot actually
subtle hawk
it still throttles bruh
subtle hawk
Means a lot actually
proof?
glossy patrol
where would you place it smh
In the space that even the air has
hexed citrus
got any thermal simulations
glossy patrol
No
hexed citrus
then?
glossy patrol
Do you?
hexed citrus
yeah
glossy patrol
Provide
subtle hawk
Iris when 💀
hexed citrus
sec
subtle hawk
i know my macbook uses the chassis to cool
glossy patrol
Ok
subtle hawk
oK💀
hexed citrus
glossy patrol
Yeah, using the chassis to cool isn't new tech
hexed citrus
under artifical loads
glossy patrol
These are just thermal images. What is this proving
subtle hawk
Yeah, using the chassis to cool isn't new tech
Iris, what do you want to say
hexed citrus
that it's a good thermal solution
subtle hawk
active cooling is designed for the Macbook Pro laptops
glossy patrol
active cooling is designed for the Macbook Pro laptops
Because Apple made it so
subtle hawk
i showed you a graph Iris
The m2 performs better than the m1
even when the m1 had a huge heatsink
hexed citrus
the heat is dissipated evenly from the laptop with no heatspots near the SoC
glossy patrol
Yeah, other devices have employed that too
subtle hawk
^
hexed citrus
and more importantly the battery section still stays relatively cool
subtle hawk
Yeah, other devices have employed that too
Apple isn’t a special company Iris, stop being a hindrance
glossy patrol
Can you find the contrary, of active cooling showing clear issue through thermal images?
hexed citrus
Can you find the contrary, of active cooling showing clear issue through thermal...
through thermal imaging no but a very good case is the fat PS3 cooling system
glossy patrol
Okay then meh
subtle hawk
lmfao
hexed citrus
idiots that drilled holes in the bottom of the PS3 that broke the designed airflow pattern causing the PSU and bluray drive to overheat
subtle hawk
iirc my g502 asus laptop had sealed vents because it needed to cool other parts of the laptop
hexed citrus
because surprise surprise sony did actually do flow and thermal simulations and proper thermal design
subtle hawk
apple doesn’t provide a heat sink in the m2 because it can already use the chassis to cool
glossy patrol
Macbook Air's solution works for its intended purpose
Could be improved by going active or adding more mass so you're not getting ¾ of an advertised M2 in anything but extremely short bursts
Such changes would not utterly change or ruin the laptop
Was just Apple's decision
And is my issue
hexed citrus
are you that dumb
the chip itself is not going to go faster just because you give it more headroom
because apple designed it to have this behavior
glossy patrol
Not that I'm ever going to buy a MacBook Air M2, yet I could consider if it were changed
hexed citrus
this ain't ur nvidia/AMD GPU that can go faster the more cooling u give it
until it reaches the limits of the power rails
subtle hawk
Macbook Air's solution works for its intended purpose
Could be improved by going...
bitch you don’t even have a mac
glossy patrol
Breaking news: giving thermal-limited chip more cooking headroom will not improve performance
subtle hawk
no shit Iris
glossy patrol
bitch you don’t even have a mac
Yeah, and most likely won't ever
glossy patrol
Nah
subtle hawk
it isn’t your problem
glossy patrol
Don't need to own it to mention it
glossy patrol
Don't need any. Seen the experience provided by others
glossy patrol
Okay, but it does. It throttles
subtle hawk
what the fuck is wrong with you
subtle hawk
That is a slow down
no shit
hexed citrus
it already is at max perf
subtle hawk
yeah
hexed citrus
the chips is DESIGNED to only be able to over it's max specs for short burts
glossy patrol
Okay but then you just said it does
subtle hawk
because you can’t hit the m2 peak performance
well that only happens when i encode and blender render at the same times
hexed citrus
as in if I took the damn laptop apart and strapped a giant ass heatsink to it it'll still perform exactly the same
glossy patrol
Show me such
subtle hawk
IRIS
nobody has the money to tear apart a laptop
it’s designed to be thin and work with a small heatsink
glossy patrol
Okay but they do
glossy patrol
And when did I say it was
subtle hawk
it’s a 20w soc that uses like 5-6 watts at most
glossy patrol
Or suggest it was
glossy patrol
No, a chip that draws 5W can throttle
subtle hawk
it is obviously but nobody that has the m2 can throttle there
subtle hawk
No, a chip that draws 5W can throttle
the chassis cools it fast enough
glossy patrol
Saying it throttles is not at all like saying it's a 65W hot chip
hexed citrus
no this is just talking to a brick fucking wall
glossy patrol
the chassis cools it fast enough
Okay but it doesn't, because it throttles
subtle hawk
it doesn’t draw 20 watts (m2) sustained
hexed citrus
up to you but I literally cba to educate someone on thermal design
subtle hawk
my laptop goes from 60 to 30 degrees in seconds
glossy patrol
Yeah, that happens with 200W chips
Nothing special about that
Still throttles
glossy patrol
Yeah, I know they do
I am complaining that the Air does not have more mass or a fan too
Never said I was
Neither are you
subtle hawk
ranting about your girlfriends overheating laptop proves no point
but i have the laptop, and i have experience with it
you don’t
glossy patrol
Never said anything about a girlfriend or an overheating laptop on my end
Don't care if you have experience with it
subtle hawk
so if you don’t have a problem, why even complain with it
glossy patrol
so if you don’t have a problem, why even complain with it
Because I could very well consider the device if it didn't have such an issue
subtle hawk
nobody asked you to consider the laptop
glossy patrol
No, neither did I say they did
subtle hawk
ever since ALO opened these chats, it’s been dumb
glossy patrol
Cope
subtle hawk
fuck off Iris
hexed citrus
if they wanna keep going then just ignore them
glossy patrol
Laptop throttles
Would be nice if it didn't
If it didn't, I would consider purchasing it as it'd be a better device
Simple
hexed citrus
also fun fact
glossy patrol
It doesn't slow down but then it does slow down
It does throttle but then it doesn't
Make up your mind
hexed citrus
most laptops do not have the VRMs capable of pushing them further even if the chip is rated for possible higher TDPs
I learned that the hard way when I was overclocking my old gaming laptop
glossy patrol
Okay but when did I say I wanted to push more watts through it
hexed citrus
I wasn't talking to u
subtle hawk
ah
glossy patrol
But nobody said anything along those lines, so pretty random
glossy patrol
And yeah, laptops are built to a "tight" spec
And please don't overclock your laptops unironically, which I'm aware you didn't
subtle hawk
you can’t even have a normal convo
bright rampart
Must buy expensive laptop to do basic tasks
glossy patrol
Must buy expensive laptop to do basic tasks
Truth
subtle hawk
battery life is peak
hexed citrus
like back in the nvidia 9 series and intel 7th gen era the mobile GPUs had much more potential than what any mid-high end gaming laptop could offer in terms of cooling without sounding like a jet engine
subtle hawk
laptop is cheap
bright rampart
“I bought a $2,000 gaming laptop to use google”
subtle hawk
900 bucks for a macbook that has good performance is fairly nice
900 bucks m2 macbook air, and it performs great
hexed citrus
at home I made a water cooling plate that strapped to the heatpipes of the GPU and CPU to kick them to their max TDP
glossy patrol
I want a Zephyrus G15 but they're so expensive
My iddy bitty Chromebook can't even cope with 144p YouTube, and it's display is less tall than my phone
glossy patrol
Nope
hexed citrus
but after a 30% increase in perf I hit the power throttle limit on both CPU and GPU
glossy patrol
Nobody cares about the 2020 G15
hexed citrus
even doe both of them were running at 30 degrees
hexed citrus
I was running them through a jank aliexpress special open loop 
subtle hawk
💀💀
bright rampart
Make an alcohol cooled laptop
subtle hawk
sup
bright rampart
Extreme cooling
hexed citrus
had a big plastic tub on my desk that I would keep adding ice into
bright rampart
Idk
subtle hawk
can’t you just like
hexed citrus
keeping it at ambient
hexed citrus
hell ye
bright rampart
Use dry ice
hexed citrus
not really
bright rampart
For even more
glossy patrol
I want a Zephyrus G15 but they're so expensive
My iddy bitty Chromebook can't ev...
Dell Chromebook 3100
That's it I think
(Not the 2-in-1)
glossy patrol
Cope
subtle hawk
nah
hexed citrus
after a couple of PUBG matches (it was that long ago) the water would reach 70-80C
bright rampart
If I find a new coolant I should call it copium
hexed citrus
you literally could make tea with that
subtle hawk
use mercury with dry ice
glossy patrol
There's one laptop I do wish I could've played around with. It had an AMD V140
subtle hawk
easy
bright rampart
What about motor oil
subtle hawk
shut the fuck up iris
subtle hawk
What about motor oil
could work
hexed citrus
motor oil is a lubricant
subtle hawk
oh
hexed citrus
poor thermal conductivity
hexed citrus
same deal
subtle hawk
wait yk those passive cool pc cases
bright rampart
Plug it into a radiator
hexed citrus
it just makes the water freeze at a lower temp by adding glycol into the mixture
subtle hawk
how do those work
bright rampart
Done
glossy patrol
They work exactly like your MacBook
subtle hawk
shut the fuck up iris
hexed citrus
wait yk those passive cool pc cases
basically they use very large fins and heatpipes
subtle hawk
and then heat rises right
bright rampart
Wait I’m an engineering student
glossy patrol
It's all about surface area
hexed citrus
yeah
subtle hawk
so it just works
bright rampart
I can make a PC radiator
subtle hawk
shut up iris
subtle hawk
I can make a PC radiator
oooooh
hexed citrus
you have to stack the fins vertically and they have to have a lot of spacing for them to work effectively
subtle hawk
ah
ok for those passive cooled cases
can you just strap a fan to it and get extreme cooling
hexed citrus
you saw that those cases have the fins at a couple of cm apart
glossy patrol
No
subtle hawk
nobody asked iris shut up
subtle hawk
you saw that those cases have the fins at a couple of cm apart
yeah
hexed citrus
unlike ur usual radiator which has a dense fin array
glossy patrol
Because fans are used to create airflow
It would help, but if wouldn't function like a typical case
hexed citrus
that's because they rely on gas thermodynamics to exchange the heat from the metal surface and into the surrounding air
subtle hawk
ioooh i see
hexed citrus
via convection and radiation
the latter you can feel as that blast of heat emanating from the heatsink
glossy patrol
And then it'd be a bit pointless to have the "passive" part when adding a fan to it, and you'd need a very large fans or lots of small fans that cover all angles externally
hexed citrus
the former is that slight breeze you can feel at the top of those heatsinks
or the watery-like haze you see on hot summer asphalt
subtle hawk
And then it'd be a bit pointless to have the "passive" part when adding a fan to...
i see
thanku
subtle hawk
the former is that slight breeze you can feel at the top of those heatsinks
ah
make sense now
thanks
hexed citrus
it's also why the heatsinks are generally left unpainted as the paint would act as a barrier for convection
unless u go into outer space then u paint them white
bright rampart
Isn’t that why the Concorde was painted white
hexed citrus
not really
aircraft has a lot of layers underneath them before you reach the outer coat and the livery
the main reason they're painted white is because
- they're easy to spot (by birds, ppl, other aircraft)
- it fades a lot slower than colors
- any sort of dent, scratch, fatigue or stress point can be easily visible
bright rampart
So I can’t use a calculator in calculus classes
WE ARENT CAVE MEN
WE HAVE TECHNOLOGY
hexed citrus
it's for ur own good
also this green coat is not paint primer or anything like this
glossy patrol
It's obviously mold
inland marsh
The point of calculus classes are too solve the equation, not to solve the calculation
hexed citrus
it's a protective coating designed to prevent oxidation of the aluminum fuselage and spars
glossy patrol
The worst computer is one that simply doesn't work
inland marsh
Ah the green chromate anti corrosion primer
hexed citrus
it's not a primer
there's like 4 other coats after it before u apply the white paint
inland marsh
Eh, for some reason we sometimes call any treatment coat as primer
I guess the correct terminology only apply to the layer before the paint
hexed citrus
yeah it's the layer that is applied before the paint to have it grip better to the surfae
inland marsh
And then it'd be a bit pointless to have the "passive" part when adding a fan to...
You don't need that much airflow to improve passive heatsink's natural draft. You definitely don't need to cover all the surface.
hexed citrus
ard it's pointless to argue with a brick wall
glossy patrol
Well, yeah, any airflow would improve its performance, no matter how miniscule
ashen zodiac
had a big plastic tub on my desk that I would keep adding ice into
OH I USED TO DO THIS LOL
I had 120mm duct tubing
Cut a hole into the cooler. Attach fan. Attach tubing from cooler to PC. lol
Power the fan with a battery or some shit lmao
ashen zodiac
ahhh so thats what you were doing
hexed citrus
connected to a pump and a plastic food container that had water with ice
I didn't think at the time to add a radiator and fans
ashen zodiac
lol
hexed citrus
so as u can guess
I had to change out the water in the container p often
the pump was ran off a 12V brick I had
ashen zodiac
I used an Arduino that was getting power from my computer to control my fan
hexed citrus
if I would've addded a rad and fans I would've probably piggy backed off that 12V brick
ashen zodiac
I feel like with the knowledge I know now, I can probably bullshit better air cooling for my computer
hexed citrus
with the skills and knowledge I have rn I could watercool p much anything lol
ashen zodiac
By just having a duct run out my window with an air pump
And then isolate the air pump's noise outside.
barren wraith
I feel like with the knowledge I know now, I can probably bullshit better air co...
Easiest way, is to use Air Craft Avionics cooling fans, more volume per minute in the equivalent space
rough sedge
the main reason they're painted white is because
1. they're easy to spot (by bi...
they're painted white because it provides the best UV resistance
UV is a much greater threat at high altitude than it is on the ground and it can cause paint to break down
when paint breaks down it tends to damage the gel coat which is expensive and time consuming to repair
hexed citrus
UV is a much greater threat at high altitude than it is on the ground and it can...
it doesn't fly anove the ozone layer what are you even on about
rough sedge
the ozone layer isn't the only thing that repels UV
the entire atmosphere plays some part in repelling UV
there's a noticeable difference in exposure, even at just 10,000ft
hexed citrus
literally the main point is that it stays on for longer and easy to spot something wrong
rough sedge
no shit it "stays on for longer", it's not absorbing as much ionising radiation compared to other colours
gel-coat repairs are really expensive, especially on composite materials
hexed citrus
UV is not ionizing radiation tf are you even spewing
rough sedge
now you're just arguing semantics because you want at least a partial victory
hexed citrus
it's not a boat to use a gel coat
rough sedge
it's not a boat to use a gel coat
are you saying aircraft don't have a gel-coat?
rough sedge
oh boy
hexed citrus
at least not in the traditional sense
rough sedge
at least not in the traditional sense
Here's part of an aircraft some mates and I got a few years back
it had been sitting outside, unattended for years and had severe gel-coat and paint damage
hexed citrus
so you're comparing a crop duster to an airliner ok
rough sedge
it's not a crop duster
it's a composite sailplane, made using the same methods as modern composite aircraft parts
hexed citrus
and that looks more like corrosion than paint delayering
rough sedge
the entire aircraft is made from fibreglass and carbon fibre
hexed citrus
which considering u said it's a sailplane makes damn sense
and also explains the gel coat
rough sedge
yeah gel-coat is used on composite parts whereas a clear-coat is used on metallic ones
both will fracture and crack with UV exposure
hexed citrus
the gel coat is mainly used in marine applications where salty water is a bigger issue, if UV was such a big deal then the windows of an airplane would be coated or layered with UV blocking materials too
rough sedge
basically the paint breaks down and expands slightly when it does so, this causes the hard coat on top to crack
hexed citrus
the main two reasons why planes are white are as I said, you can spot spills and frame damage really easily and it reflects a lot of heat
the first one you demonstrated yourself
if the paint coats were so brittle then airliners would need to be painted every other year
instead they're repainted once a decade
rough sedge
<:ReimuFacepalm:348534771133054987> the gel coat is mainly used in marine applic...
UV isn't a major issue for passengers because they're not flying often
a flight across the Atlantic ocean is equivalent to like 2 chest X-rays if I remember correctly.
as for pilots we take measures to protect ourselves and the cockpit glass provides some resistance
hexed citrus
X RAYS NOT UV
rough sedge
I am aware
quit with the semantics
I'm simply talking in terms of radiation exposure
hexed citrus
you quit with the bullshit you asspull
subtle hawk
???
hexed citrus
UV is NOTHING like ionizing radiation
rough sedge
they will both turn your skin red and give you cancer
hexed citrus
they're fundamentally different
rough sedge
I've been a pilot since I was 13 and live in a country with one of the highest rates of skin cancer, I'm quite educated on the subject through life experience alone
subtle hawk
wait what are you guys talking about?
rough sedge
obviously x-rays and UV are different but the type of damage they cause to your body is somewhat comparable, hence why people tend to compare them
rough sedge
wait what are you guys talking about?
why aircraft are painted white
subtle hawk
so it looks nice
hexed citrus
now ur talking bullshit
subtle hawk
aircraft is white because idk
rough sedge
and why would that be?
subtle hawk
it helps with visibility?
well obviously you wouldn’t paint your plane black or red or smthn
hexed citrus
you need to be at least 16 for baloons and gliders and 17 for any powered aircraft to even have a chance at getting a pilot license
as per ICAO regulations
rough sedge
aircraft visibility cares more about finish than colour
when looking for other aircraft you're looking for sun glints and silhouettes.
Being shiny will get you seen, not being white
subtle hawk
oooh ok
white = shiny
most of the time
but planes are painted white because it’s easier
white reflects heat
and or something like that
it reflects something, and it helps with something
hexed citrus
yes it very much does reflect heat
subtle hawk
yes heat
hexed citrus
just like black absorbs it
subtle hawk
so planes won’t be black
hexed citrus
yeah they won't
rough sedge
you need to be at least 16 for baloons and gliders and 17 for any powered aircra...
ICAO doesn't govern all categories of aviation and different countries have their own regulations for certain categories
I can post my logbook if you really care
In my country you're allowed to start taking flight lessons at age 12 and can fly a sailplane solo at age 15
hexed citrus
but nothing stops you from painting it black
hexed citrus
there are some black planes
subtle hawk
so what’s your talk about Uv and exyray
subtle hawk
there are some black planes
🔥
hexed citrus
subtle hawk
looks unsettling
hexed citrus
also some private jets are black too
hexed citrus
and I think air new zealand has like a couple black airliners?
subtle hawk
do you think a micro drone is able to fly higher than 500m
hexed citrus
but yeah they're incredibly rare
hexed citrus
rough sedge
ICAO doesn't govern all categories of aviation and different countries have thei...
you got awfully quiet to me as soon as I said I could prove you wrong 
someone doesn't want their ego hurt
hexed citrus
no I just see that it's pointless to talk to a glider pilot that has literally no idea how the bigger aircraft operate
rough sedge
it’s gonna get more and more heated
but that's the fun part 
rough sedge
no I just see that it's pointless to talk to a glider pilot that has literally n...
I don't think you realise this but aircraft manufacturing and maintenance techniques actually scale with size
light aircraft are made using much of the same processes as heavy ones
subtle hawk
10/10 as chat
-5 for having racists
-2 electron
hexed citrus
air new zealand did say that on the next repaint these black planes will become white again
rough sedge
I also hold certifications in Avionics and have experience with large aircraft
rough sedge
Yamato argues with everyone on here lmao
subtle hawk
subtle hawk
?
hexed citrus
no I only argue with cunts
rough sedge
no offence, Yamato
subtle hawk
he’s sane last time i saw him
hexed citrus
and ignorant ppl
subtle hawk
only this morning i saw smthn off
rough sedge
I am a cunt that's right, Australia is full of good cunts
subtle hawk
I am a cunt that's right, Australia is full of good cunts
💀
mf deals with big ass spiders
if i had a gun i’d shoot one asf
hexed citrus
what if it got behind the fridge
rough sedge
but yeah sometimes you just gotta take the L and acknowledge that people know more than you about certain things
rough sedge
I wouldn't argue sysadmin shit with you
subtle hawk
move to a new country
rough sedge
because you have experience
hexed citrus
I admit I don't have much experience with ultralights and gliders but I do have a decent experience with turboprops
subtle hawk
why are consumer air filters so expensive? it’s confusing since it’s just a fan and a filter
turboprops are the big commercial planes right
or the engines in those big chunks
hexed citrus
no
subtle hawk
oh
hexed citrus
turboprops are literally planes with propellers
hexed citrus
that the engine of is turbocharged
rough sedge
I admit I don't have much experience with ultralights and gliders but I do have ...
I've got a couple hundred hours experience in gliders, both metal and composite, about 50 hours in light powered shit, and about 10 hours in the heavy bois
hexed citrus
jet engines are their own separate category
rough sedge
that the engine of is turbocharged
the engine isn't turbocharged lol, the engine is a turbo
well it's a gas turbine but you get what I mean
subtle hawk
i’ll leave you guys be, but don’t get too personal
rough sedge
i’ll leave you guys be, but don’t get too personal
I think things will get more civilised now
hexed citrus
ye it doesn't have a turbocharger strapped to it lol
rough sedge
yeah lmao
hexed citrus
but the general principle is the same
rough sedge
funny enough the only turboprop I have experience with is a big fucker 
hexed citrus
a Cessna 172 or
rough sedge
before my country retired the P3 Orion I got to have a few quick 30 minute stick sessions with it 
As part of a government defence youth program my country does
hexed citrus
you weren't pilot in command now were you
rough sedge
it's just basic air-experience style stuff, they put you in the right-hand seat and get you to make some basic turns, climbs, etc
hexed citrus
ah so the kid stuff lol
rough sedge
lol yeah
hexed citrus
EASA would rip our heads off for putting children at the controls of any plane
rough sedge
I've also flown in the new Poseidon for a couple hours but obviously haven't got any time on the controls
hexed citrus
I should be getting my MEP next month so I'll get to add a dozen hours on those kind of aircraft
rough sedge
very good
hexed citrus
jets still outside of my reach
I'd still need the CPL and type rating
which is bullshit bcz CPL costs so much
rough sedge
CPL is one of those things I'll get eventually
when I have a spare $100k lying around
you know
hexed citrus
exactly
the jump from PPL with the ratings to a CPL is insane
not even gonna mention ATPL
rough sedge
yeah I'm perfectly fine with my GPC thanks
GPC lets me enter racing competitions and compete on a national level
hexed citrus
I got a PPL with NR, IR and now waiting on my scheduled MEP lessons to get that as well
rough sedge
I could get a PPL through an air force sponsorship but it's hard to find time that works on their terms
they do it in courses, you go away for a while, fly all day every day and come back with the qualification
hexed citrus
I got it mostly because we had a student discount for the full PPL course
and the ratings because they were relatively cheap
think 2-3k cheap
rough sedge
yeah all kinds of flying is just expensive as shit over here
I think it cost like $350 an hour to rent a Cessna 172
I need to check what it was again
hexed citrus
I also tacked on the UAS (read drones) pilot license to the PPL so I can pilot the remote shit as well
yeah sounds about right, here it's about 200$ as well
rough sedge
I'm moving to the city soon, I think I'll get back into the powered pilot shit when I'm settled in there
get that sponsorship for a PPL and save up for a CPL
hexed citrus
here if u want a CPL you'll need to get a loan
rough sedge
yeah nah it's crazy expensive
you can either get a loan or pay as you go here
the CPL is broken down into different modules ranging from a couple hundred $ to a few thousand
and you just pay for each module individually
hexed citrus
yeah but it's still crazy expensive even broken into modules
like even with my ratings I still need a couple of other modules + Class 1 medical to get to CPL
and some of those modules are hella expensive
but there's a silver lining there
with the current pilot shortage you're bound to get a good job at a decent airline
rough sedge
funny story actually, I almost ruined my 20-20 vision record for my defence medical
my test was delayed by like 2 hours so I just sat there in the waiting room scrolling on my phone
because I had spent the last 2 hours staring at a bright, close brick in my hand everything on the far away test was blurry as hell
but I still just managed to make out all the letters
on the bottom row I couldn't differentiate a Q from a G so I guessed it and was correct
hexed citrus
I have 10/20 vision but I feel like my other medical records can bar me from getting a Class 1
rough sedge
ah okay
hexed citrus
well I'll know for sure once I go through with the check
rough sedge
I remember having to wait over a month for defence to sift through my entire medical history because of an injury I sustained when I was 5
hexed citrus
ye for Class 1 they go through your records with a fine toothed comb
rough sedge
in my interview they asked me if I had ever had any serious breaks or fractures and I said no, then they pointed to the huge scar on my arm and were like "so what's that for?" and I thought "ah shit"
I had completely forgotten about it
hexed citrus
p much
subtle hawk
ok
ashen zodiac
I hope logitech is expecting people to sign up, get free chocolate, and then never show up to this zoom call lmao
ashen zodiac
This worth it?
subtle hawk
300 nits would be a drop for me
and the soldered ram
but for 900 bucks, it seems worth it
just remembe to switch out the 512gb ssd to 1tb
idk
ashen zodiac
I think they're trying to dump their inventory