technology

[versed blade]

but never screens

if people run around with their phone naked thats thier problem

[hexed citrus]

that is just the wrong mentality

[versed blade]

I see it as, if you have tons of money and keep them sparse around the house, if they get stolen that on you for not keeping them safe

sure $300 is fuck ton

[hexed citrus]

I bought a product from a company I want after purchase service that doesn't make it not economically viable to service it afterwards regardless of what happened to it

[versed blade]

again I agree, but what's the point of complaining if you crashed it and did not put any effort in taking care of it?

[hexed citrus]

ramzh accidents happen

[versed blade]

It's pretty much both parties fault

again they do

but you can do the utmost to prevent them

[hexed citrus]

if I fall off my bike for example and the phone hits the pavement in my pocket with all my weight on top and it shatters and breaks

it shouldn't be my fault

[versed blade]

I can assure you been using devices ranging from consoles to phones to laptop etc and none of them have a mark

if you buy a good case and screen protector you should be fine

[hexed citrus]

I should be able to go into a store where they'll replace the damaged parts ONLY and I pay for ONLY those parts + labor

not have to replace my entire device

[versed blade]

I agree

this is just the way it is, I'd try my best not to end up in that situation

by using cases and screen protectors

only thing I wanna go to the apple store for is the battery replacement

that's it

[hexed citrus]

like if samsung tried to push a replacement on me I'd roast them too because I want my current phone that I paid for to be fixed not to give me a new one that will not retain my old data + I have to pay extra on top for it

[subtle hawk]

Ooooor you can stop caring about the device, in this case me with my OnePlus 8 Pro, and start throwing it around because you're replacing it anyways. Really don't care if it cracks at this point, nobody buys used OP phones where I live, or hell they barely sell brand new lmao

[versed blade]

I agree

[hexed citrus]

that's just contributing to the e-waste problem

being careless with electronics

[versed blade]

I rarely dont care of my unused stuff

[hexed citrus]

because "eh I'll just throw it away"

[subtle hawk]

Ask me if I give a fuck my dude

[versed blade]

I try to keep them just in case

you should

[hexed citrus]

you should

[subtle hawk]

No, I won't

Especially in this country where I live

And don't try to change something that can't be changed here

[versed blade]

I mean, that's fine that you will not, but you should

[hexed citrus]

that ain't an excuse to not at least try to contribute to a good thing

[subtle hawk]

Again, ask me if I give a fuck my dude

[hexed citrus]

rome didn't fall overnight

sure you can be selfish but this kind of mentality is why this is such a big issue

[versed blade]

btw these are all the phones that are still supported with in stock replacements, albeit limited the older the device is

[versed blade]

this tbh

[subtle hawk]

Well you see, I only care about myself and not really others, because why care about randoms at this point

[hexed citrus]

we as individuals will never make a difference, but by us not being indifferent to it will slowly bring change, not immediately but after years or decades

it's not caring about randoms

it's caring about the space rock you and your family lives on

[versed blade]

https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/recycling-earth-science-ukraine-b2074078.html

if you wanna throw away your "functional" phone just give it away to someone or give to companies that will recycle it

all the major brands Apple, Samsung etc do that

[subtle hawk]

We've got bigger issues than e-waste, let me tell you that. It's going to be one cold winter because of the current political situation and gas (No I don't mean gas as in petrol, gas as in actual gas)

So yeah, got better things to worry about than hurr durr e-waste crap

[versed blade]

You have more impact on eWaste than the current events, as that is something in your control

[hexed citrus]

it's not crap if in the next 20 years you'll need a hazmat suit to go outside

[subtle hawk]

Don't have to go outside then, there's always a choice

[versed blade]

I am just saying you can worry as much as you want, but ain't gonna change anything on those situation

[hexed citrus]

or at least a high density filter mask

[versed blade]

meanwhile being mindful with your e-waste etc has a small impact and most importantly is something you can have control over

I am just giving you logical facts, you're free to do whatever

[hexed citrus]

almost all of my olders phones have either been given away to people that needed a new phone due to their older one not being functional or sold to companies to use as testing devices or for spare parts at a repair shop

the rest I kept for my own uses

[versed blade]

same here

No way I am throwing away something functional

reason why I still love being able to use my new fresh OP7P

Lineage OS saves stuff

[hexed citrus]

I still have my S10+ that I use for testing different things and experiments with more traditional hardware and display sizes

[subtle hawk]

I'm more mindful of my upcoming cost for a car service, not so much about e-waste because, again, I have better stuff to worry about. Because I also like to deflect logical reasons and have it go my way and not have people change my mind, just because they think they have the need to do so, I'll just say thank you for your contribution, but I literally do not give a fuck. Don't try to change my opinion, I'll just block you on general principle.

So yes, I'm selling this OnePlus 8 Pro for parts or throwing it away, because I can do that and not have someone on Discord bs me with their stance on something. Not to mention that I refuse to order new parts for this phone, because it has been nothing but constant disappointment, so why bother fixing a charging issue than buying something else. It's my free will and I will not have anyone take it from me

So yes, have fun starting a rally about eWaste and all that hot Twitter topic garbage, I literally do not give a fuck. Moving on

[hexed citrus]

it's not hot twitter topic garbage

it's a real issue

just as real as people scrapping cars because their lithium battery doesn't hold a charge

or people throwing away a perfectly working washing machine because the door lock got jammed and won't properly close

[versed blade]

It's okay Yama, people always think env issues are BS

[hexed citrus]

yeah it's BS because people can't see the impact therefor it doesn't exist

[versed blade]

air doesnt exist either

I cant see it

same like the english language

I dont see it so I cant read it

[hexed citrus]

it's the same as the chip shortage, they don't care till the prices for iphones or playstations skyrocket

[versed blade]

lmao true

[hexed citrus]

then they complain that hurr durr y so expensive

[versed blade]

as long as it doesn't affect them somewhat directly

[subtle hawk]

Thankfully I got mine on time, so don't honestly care for the price increase

Scalpers on the other hand are rejoicing

If anything, I'm expecting Xbox sales to jump up a bit, because Microsoft has stated that they're not going the same route as Sony in terms of price increase

[versed blade]

Yeah probably

[subtle hawk]

I should get a Series S at some point for Game Pass alone, so best of both worlds. Not in a rush to get Series X considering it's €600-650 where I live

[ebon mason]

We in EU love ECO stuff

xD

[hexed citrus]

what's so funny

[versed blade]

swapped my 2080ti fans

bearings were broken after my thesis

god some peace and queit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEDcmMGRPV4

[mental coyote]

There's also an UwUfetch, and HentaiFetch.

[hexed citrus]

I did that on my 1080 ti after I broke 2 blades

it was rattling like crazy

now it's dead quiet

[versed blade]

Yup

thats it my 2080ti now

DEAD quiet

god I love it

never gonna use it again at 100% 24/7 lol

although GPU have been dropping

[sudden raft]

liquid cooled GA102 best GA102

[wintry forge]

I didn't know gpu fans break that often

[inland marsh]

They're rather flimsy all things considered, and those plastics are heated more than a "normal" fan would

[hexed citrus]

they not as flimsy as any other fan

it's just that over time the bearings inside of them break or get dry causing friction that will further degrade performance

[sudden raft]

somehow my 10 year old sleeve thermaltake fans still work

i have no idea how

[versed blade]

They do if you run your GPU 100% all the time and/or use a air blaster to clean them without holding them firm

[inland marsh]

Maybe just because my reference point is delta/ebm fans. There's definitely more play with it.

[subtle hawk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06zWDWH_Mco

Saw a couple of these before and yeah.. impressive but it's a chungus of a console considering it's real PS2 hardware "under the hood"

[severe falcon]

if it can run shadow of the colossus as good as a regular ps2, then its fine

[subtle hawk]

I mean it runs exactly how the PS2 version would run, it's actual PS2 hardware, and not emulation

Meaning 10-15 fps for SotC

[ebon mason]

BORING

[inland marsh]

They forgot Ryzen 3 again aren't they?

let alone Athlon

[worthy musk]

Speaking of this

I have a dillema

Im about to build a pc with like a Ryzen 7 5800 but im tempted to wait on the 7000 series

Should i

[hexed citrus]

do u need the pc now? don't

can it wait for 7000 series and nvidia 40 series? yes

[worthy musk]

should i wait

i forgot about the nvidia 40 series tbh i was gonna use a 6750xt

[quartz atlas]

amd 🚮

[sudden raft]

TDPs are higher huh

[wintry forge]

Ryzen 3 would be so nice

my mom is still using an am1 socket 2c/2t apu

ryzen 3 5300g exists, but it's only for oems, which is disappointing

[quartz atlas]

gotta push the clocks

[wintry forge]

it might be worth waiting a few more months for the release of am5 so that am4 cpu prices drop

as long as performance-per-watt is up, the tdp isn't something I'm really bothered at

you can always just undervolt the cpu

they probably only raised the tdp to compete with intel anyways

[inland marsh]

5700 isn't half bad if you need a PCnow
Instead of 5800

[worthy musk]

That didnt answer my question

[wintry forge]

pretty sure we did

ryzen 5000 series is great, but since it's at its end, you won't have many upgrade paths

while if you do decide to wait until 7000 series come out, you'll have more opportunities to upgrade on the same socket

I think 5700X is plenty for most people, even the 5600 non-X holds up against multi-threaded tasks

[inland marsh]

AM4 is at the end of it's path for sure, but beware of early adopter tax for AM5

[wintry forge]

if you're gaming, then you're not going to see much performance improvement going from 5600 to 5700X though

I don't really do much cpu loaded tasks on a day-to-day basis so I don't have much reason to go pay more for a 5700X

as for gpu, the value of the rx 6000 series will probably drop quite a bit after the rx 7000 series comes out

and 6000 series is still kind of overpriced

[worthy musk]

Rn the 5700 and 5800 are priced pretty closely

So id just get the better option

[quartz atlas]

Im this close to upgrading to raptorlake based on leaks

but ddr5 is still memey

[wintry forge]

going on vacation is cheaper than a 64gb stick

[quartz atlas]

eh maybe in a year or smth

my new pc is barely a year old

[worthy musk]

Get a 64 gb single stick

Ultimate meme

[quartz atlas]

i probs have those in the server somewhere

not ddr5 tho

[inland marsh]

Interestingly AMD use the term "TDP" in the more correct thermal engineering sense here, instead of alluding to power consumption.

My granite table have like 5kW TDP

[ebon mason]

I need Ryzen 9 7900X 3D V-CASHE

[hexed citrus]

no you don't

[ebon mason]

They will do this version later

TDP XD

its is not true info about how much cpu can eat

i have old i7 9gen

unlocked all turbo

and in some benchmarks can eat like 260W

only cpu

[hexed citrus]

and?

if it's functional and not a bottleneck there's no reason to upgrade

[ebon mason]

with rtx 3070 is ok

[wintry forge]

what are you going to do with this said 7900X3D

you can find pretty good deals on used xeon or epyc cpus on ebay or something

[inland marsh]

that works great until you get a call from software vendor with draconian "enterprise" licensing

[ebon mason]

X3D is for gaming

i know old xeon is popular here

for gaming too

i build pc with old 8 core xeon for my friend

works great

[wintry forge]

ohhh for gaming

then you probably won't need a 7900X3D (if it will even ever exist)

you're going to be GPU bound 99% of the time

your money will be better spent on a higher tier gpu

there isn't much of a performance difference between 5600 and 5700X for gaming, and going from 5700X to 5800X is probably even less of a difference

so then the logical answer to why 5800X3D's performance is better in some games is probably because of the 3D v-cache

so if AMD does decide to release a ryzen 5 varient of the 3d v-cache, it's much more reasonable to buy that instead

looking at AMD's roadmap for 3d v-cache cpus, it would be weird if they only decide to release only one of them for AM5

but if you do a lot of multi-threaded workloads, then your hypothetical 7900X3D might be useful in some programs like adobe premier

but a lot of other programs benefit more from faster clock speeds than more cache

though it'll probably be very expensive, so buying a used server cpu makes more sense in that regard

just.. don't pay for more than you need

[ebon mason]

i dont need it myb some ppl need xD

[vagrant holly]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEDcmMGRPV4

[wintry forge]

reminds me of this video

[ebon mason]

[hexed citrus]

this is peak gamer mousepad

[shut sapphire]

@hexed citrus yoo can i ask abou infinix hot 12 is it good ??

[hexed citrus]

seems aite for a really budget phone

[gloomy tinsel]

its fine just the OS UI feels kinda old

but thats their style

[shut sapphire]

@gloomy tinsel ok so

Heres what i found

Redmi 10A 4/64 or hot 12 play nfc 4/64

I just regret buying oppo f9

The os isnt stable i cant even fucking use the finger lock anymore and the camera always quit itself

[shut sapphire]

Does infinix 12 hot play nfc have gyroscope

[gloomy tinsel]

most Helio G80/G95 doesn't but some have em

[ebon mason]

DONT!!!!

this crap phone have fake camera

xiaomi is 100x better

OS is laggy af

they use f... emmc in phone

just dont

They entered our market this year

and bought reviews of small youtubers on youtube

but one tech youtuber do real test of this crap

and hahahaha

He do test Infinix HOT 11S NFC

Camera crap af

OS laggy af

meh screen

[inland marsh]

Redmi 10C not even in the contention here?

[shut sapphire]

How about the 10c

[shut sapphire]

Can i ask whos this youtuber

[inland marsh]

If you can afford the difference I'd pick 10c, no contest there
heck, the difference is only 20 bucks at most

[ebon mason]

He is from poland no eng subs

just dont buy phone with emmc

JUST DONT!

[inland marsh]

I'm more concerned by its unisoc cpu, but that's probably just me being paranoid

[subtle hawk]

Personally never even heard of the company, so if I were you, I'd go with some known brand

[ebon mason]

ME2

but i saw this video

The brand was created after the acquisition of the French company Sagem Wireless in 2011

Remember Sagem

xD

in Highschool 2008/9

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinix_Mobile

Future xD

we have like in official shops

The cheapest

105usd

The most expensive 200USD

just buy used phone

[inland marsh]

It's infamous here for cheap phones that looks expensive
Which is probably what most buyers here need anyway

[ebon mason]

they looks cheap in hand

quality of plastic

[inland marsh]

naah, it's what you pick if you want one that looks like having a gazilion pixel cameras

you see from afar it looks impressive

[ebon mason]

Note 11 cost the same here

like this crap

[shut sapphire]

💀

[ebon mason]

vivo y72 5G

xiaomi have oled

[shut sapphire]

I guess my choice are on redmi

Im on a budget so

[ebon mason]

better batterY OS CAMERA CHARING QUALITY

all better in redmi

[shut sapphire]

Budget Samsung

👍

Cant buy samsung
Redmi is all you need

[ebon mason]

Samsung A32 only for the same price

or note 11

[shut sapphire]

So my option is

Redmi 9C,10A,10C

Those 3 will be on my consideration

[ebon mason]

we have realme here too

[shut sapphire]

@ebon mason how about real me ??

[ebon mason]

1 shop

[inland marsh]

now looking at Infinix phones specs I can't shake my suspicion that they're phones someone make just to get rid of old component stocks. It managed to be.. wanting in all

[hexed citrus]

here the market is dominated by 3 brands

Xiaomi, Samsung and Apple

[ebon mason]

Here too

[hexed citrus]

with Samsung having the big majority

[ebon mason]

But realme boost af in last year

[shut sapphire]

Any good for real me ??

[hexed citrus]

followed my Apple and Xiaomi in the minority

[ebon mason]

noone use google crap pixel what we dont have official shops here

only some big shops buy pixels from googole and sell with own warranty

• 40% price

[hexed citrus]

because it costs that much to import it

[ebon mason]

in EU is not problem

not all countries in EU have official google shops

duno why

[hexed citrus]

20% VAT + shipping + handling + warehousing + warranty + profit margin

[ebon mason]

23% vat here

[hexed citrus]

it adds up quickly

[ebon mason]

xD

[hexed citrus]

same thing

[subtle hawk]

You can buy a Pixel phone here, but good luck trading it in or selling it. No one wants them lol

(Where I live I mean)

[ebon mason]

US

without taxes

Poland 1050USD

[shut sapphire]

Real me is like to push new stuff eh

🗿

[hexed citrus]

it's not fair to compare US and EU prices because at the end of the day you'll pay close to that price for just getting it from the US

sure you can get it even cheaper directly from the factory but good luck with the logistics of getting it from the factory into your hands

[ebon mason]

most popular in shop what i check now

Apple like always girls use

[shut sapphire]

Ok

So 10a using helio g25 while 9c using g35

WHY THE FUCK

[kindred arrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-qqtS-tqbI

Spoiler alert: it's heat.. AGAIN

The biggest irony of the situation: Sony just doesn't use any copper heat pipes at all

They assume thermal putty and its own metal frame will do

But they were not only wrong, they never cared anyway, they've repeated the same mistake on multiple Xperia phones

Genius phone design

[shut sapphire]

Wtf is sony

[hexed citrus]

the company that makes this novel thing

called the playstation

not a lot of people heard about it

[vagrant holly]

How do you not know sony

[subtle hawk]

And not just PlayStation but it's also TVs, headphones, cameras, soundbars, portable speakers

But yeah, not hearing about Sony is a bit of a moment

But anyways, Sony cannot seem to hit the mark (no pun intended) with Xperia. Like, the series exists but.. it's not selling well from what I can tell

[shut sapphire]

I only know PlayStation and for xperia i only imagine its not real

[subtle hawk]

Xperia line by Sony has been around since 2008

It's not something just from last year really

[shut sapphire]

Nah i dont accept xperia existence

[subtle hawk]

Any particular reason why?

Because it sounds weird I guess

[ebon mason]

My First Smartphone Sony Ericsson Xperia X1

it was first xperia

with fucking Windows Mobile

The most popular was SONY ERICSSON XPERIA X8

smoll but thicc boi

EU

Poland

Lenovo = Motorola etc

[ebon mason]

Xperia Z and Z3 have same problem with overheat in 4k videos xD

But Iphone 12 Pro Max is the same

Overheat in gaming af

[kindred arrow]

They actually tried with the Z5s
https://www.slashgear.com/sony-xperia-z5-using-dual-heat-pipes-to-curb-thermal-woes-07402240/

[ebon mason]

and do screen brightness at 30%

[kindred arrow]

... only to forget about putting heatpipes in Xperia XZ phones

[ebon mason]

Sony will die like LG in max 5 years

RIP LG

LG G3/G4/G5/G6

xDD

[kindred arrow]

Sony is already a slowly dying phone maker since Japan's Galapagos syndrome bit them in the ass

[kindred arrow]

About the only Sony phones that actual sell

[ebon mason]

old used here

[wintry forge]

I'm using sony xz2 compact

[ebon mason]

its 90$ xD

[wintry forge]

it works, but it doesn't support 4g and above connections

[ebon mason]

oh no MediaTek Helio P22

The most popular in website like amazon here is

in 30 days 504 phones

i remeber when i buy first xiaomi it was in 2016

Xiaomi Mi5

Xiaomi wasnt popular here in 2016

but they enter the polish market in 2016

i buy in china for mi5 version 64gb for 235 USD

When they enter to poland official price was 400USD

but 235USD was without taxes etc

We have 23% tax here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2jav7UdQtE

my grandmother use my mi5 works fine i only change battery to new in this year

when i open this phone i see why it bend soo easy

thin aluminum frame

[hexed citrus]

sony and ericsson are separate entities for ages now

[ebon mason]

it was in 2010

[sudden raft]

legends don't die

[inland marsh]

I still have w810i somewhere in the junk drawer
I think it still have the best sound out of all my phones so far

I'm not missing its firmware reliability tho, had to reflash like half dozen times back then when I was still using it

[sudden raft]

850i was probably one of the best SE phones overall of all time

i really wanted a W900i though

i mean how can you not like that swivel design

[viscid dagger]

is i5 6300u still good?

[sudden raft]

not really

it wasn't good to begin with

[wintry forge]

good enough for basic tasks

[worthy musk]

Was intel ever good

[wintry forge]

Sandy Bridge

[worthy musk]

true....

[worthy sigil]

my Logitech g102 mouse ain't registering input sometimes.

similar issue i had on an older g102 with doubletapping and the same issue

ffs even a fucking office mouse lasts longer than this bullshit

so... apologies for that.

got any recommendations for long-lasting mice?

[hexed citrus]

none

they all die within 3 years

the only way to prolong it is to replace the mouse switches

which I'm about to do on my G pro wireless

[wintry forge]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09JTVMM1P you might like this. not sure how long "long lasting" means to you

[worthy sigil]

it's not even a year in my case

[wintry forge]

I haven't had any of my mouses die on me yet

[worthy sigil]

do tell what models of mice

that could also be shipped to the Philippines

[wintry forge]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/363965212079 there seems to be one on sale on ebay

[worthy musk]

i forgot to put a cpu cooler in my build plan and idk what to get

i dont want any expensive or huge cooler

idk if anything cheap would be good enough

[wintry forge]

what's the cpu you're getting

[worthy musk]

ryzen 7 5800

[wintry forge]

you probably won't need anything too beefy I guess

dual fan
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0982VWQN1/
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09NZGH4RD/
single fan
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B087VM7HT2/
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08KD6SPLW/

[gloomy tinsel]

My Razer orochi V2 died in 3 months Lmao

now buying fantech XD7 aria

tried it for 2 days

[worthy musk]

i have a terrible and dumb idea

i want to build a sleeper but i dont really own any power tools for cutting and drilling holes

so how would i go about this

[wintry forge]

depends on what you're trying to do

most cases, even decade old ones, mostly use standardized form factors like atx or microatx

so you shouldn't have too much trouble building in them, with the exception of maybe gpu clearance and ram clearance

I guess airflow is a concern

you could probably make do with an noctua industrial fan at full speed

[worthy musk]

dont really care if it sounds like a jet engine as long as it works and still looks cool

[wintry forge]

sounds like a bad investment

[hexed citrus]

you want something that looks cool? 3D print an open air case

[inland marsh]

If you know the right guys, there's a lot of machining shops (or heck, even auto body shops) willing to punch and bend some dinky sheet steel for you

[ebon mason]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6-juFXR9c0

[worthy musk]

those look awful what

[worthy musk]

how come

[hexed citrus]

then go borrow some power tools

and expect to spend a lot of time tweaking, measuring, cutting, drilling and such

[subtle hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/bob-the-builder-gif-21863917

[hexed citrus]

sleeper builds are generally meant to be showcase pieces, not daily drivers

[worthy musk]

Isnt it the same for open air

[hexed citrus]

I can't gonna take the sleeper civic with 1400HP out to daily commute

[hexed citrus]

no it's not

open air means you only hold the parts together with a loose frame and that's it

[subtle hawk]

1400HP with or without the stickers?

[hexed citrus]

with hentai stickers

[worthy musk]

But theyre also exposed parts

[hexed citrus]

so what if they're exposed

[worthy musk]

Think

[subtle hawk]

Ah, also needs the shopping list (Brembo, NOS, etc.) on the side fender for extra hp

[worthy musk]

And autozone scoops

[hexed citrus]

the benefit of a open air system is that you don't need to worry about airflow

[worthy musk]

And its also exposed parts

[wintry forge]

having terrible airflow is something you'll have building in a office case

[hexed citrus]

again, so what if the parts are exposed

[worthy musk]

A test bench is not a case

[hexed citrus]

you don't need a case for the computer

[worthy musk]

[wintry forge]

just buy some good cheap case and live with it

[worthy musk]

Im definitely buying cheap

Good? Well we will have to see

If i find something with front and side airflow i think i could make due

[hexed citrus]

just go to a local electronics or pc parts store, sort by price ascending and find a case that fits your components and call it a day

[worthy musk]

No local places

[hexed citrus]

now that is

[worthy musk]

Literally

[hexed citrus]

there's always some sort of retailer that sells computer parts

[worthy musk]

Not close

[hexed citrus]

maybe not within walking distance but definitely online or within driving distance

[worthy musk]

Yeah online

Theres no places within driving distance

[hexed citrus]

[worthy musk]

Im pretty sure i know where i live better than you do

But since youre so wise please tell me where

Is it that baffling to you that someone who lives in a small town in the south cant just go to a microcenter and buy all the parts

[subtle hawk]

No but taxis/Uber/buses exist though for daily commuting

[hexed citrus]

even if it's a 4 hour drive, not like you're driving there every day for parts

[worthy musk]

[hexed citrus]

either that or order online, whichever is cheaper

[worthy musk]

Online like i was already going to do

[hexed citrus]

and no need to be a smartass

[worthy musk]

Bo need to be rude about things in the first place

"i dont live near a part store"
Doubt

I know where i live dont call me a smartass

[hexed citrus]

near doesn't mean a 10 min drive

[worthy musk]

Wow really

Its almost like i meant part stores are hours away

[hexed citrus]

anyway, you've been given options now and before

and yeah I also need to drive 2 hours to a local pc parts store and I'd call that near

[worthy musk]

With gas prices today?

And it being a 4 hour round trip?

[subtle hawk]

You ain't wasting an entire fuel tank for a 4 hour trip, unless you're rocking a pickup truck or some other gas guzzler

[worthy musk]

I am

[subtle hawk]

lmao.. I heavily doubt that

[worthy musk]

My car averages like 12 mpg on premium

Thanks lexus

Thanks for making it get terrible gas milage and making it run on premium

[worthy musk]

As long as i compensate for the bad airflow it should be fine though right?

[subtle hawk]

Luckily I average 50 mpg because Europe, so don't need a Lexus

[worthy musk]

I really dont wanna go with a black and acrylic rgb gaymer case

[wintry forge]

some coolers are huge, and those might not fit into the case

if you bought a big-er gpu, it might also not fit into the case

[worthy musk]

Yeah im worried im gonna have to modify and or take out the hard drive cage

[wintry forge]

both of which you can make up for usually with lower profile coolers, or single fan/dual fan gpu

[worthy musk]

I think the one im using is triple fan only i might wanna swap that out

[hexed citrus]

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811353151

literally 40$

[wintry forge]

about that case, the displayport/hdmi slot is hard to put in

[hexed citrus]

you mean the IO shield?

[wintry forge]

there's like a thin metal bar above where you put the displayport or hdmi cable on the gpu

[worthy musk]

Okay theres a dual fan one but its much more expensive

[wintry forge]

I'm currently using a thermaltake versa h18, which I bought for $50, but it seems to be out of stock on all major retailers right now

it's a really nice case

[worthy musk]

Theres a certain thermaltake case id love to have but its been discontinued for years

And seems to be very rare

I do plan on trying to get a full tower case at the least

[hexed citrus]

I have a phanteks p400 with a mesh front

[wintry forge]

H18 also has a mesh front panel

[worthy musk]

I picked out some newer cases before but itll take a bit to dig them up

And id prefer to use a retro case

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811353204?itemPosition=118-130&exactIndex=118

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01C71PXPG/ref=cm_sw_r_awdo_9BW2BFP2N1KAYCBP997C_0

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811197017 this ones literally a IBM/Lenovo case

[worthy musk]

I bought half the parts i need

5800x, 16gb of ram, 650w 80+ bronze power supply and a cheap 2 tb hdd

[wintry forge]

hdd in 2022

[subtle hawk]

If he's going to use OS on it, then gg. Otherwise, SSD all the way

[worthy musk]

i was going to put the os on the ssd

i thought thats what i was supposed to do

[inland marsh]

Sometimes you do need those bulk for "warm" storage where you don't really want to cloud it

[worthy musk]

I cant afford ssd bulk storage

I just finished most of the build and im 100$ over budget

Without a case

[wintry forge]

tax does catch you surprised

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Hq2gC6 reasonably priced 1080p/1440p pc

actually screw the 5700X

[worthy musk]

I got a 5800x and a 3070

Worried my psu is gonna blow up because its 650w

[wintry forge]

650 watt power supplies are designed to be able to support at least 650 watts power draw

[hexed citrus]

all power supplies can handle a power spike

just don't overdo it else you'll trip OCP

[inland marsh]

Repeated spike is fine if it's actual spike, and not like 100ms-long overcurrent

[hexed citrus]

a big enough spike will trip it even if it's for a split second

[inland marsh]

you probably need to check your build in the first place if that happen

[inland marsh]

If your PSU actually blows up doing its 100% rated wattage (or heck, anything below 120% rating), you probably should reconsider trusting that PSU or even the entire brand again.

[worthy musk]

the graphics card i have reccomends a 850w psu

but the estimated wattage of the build is like 450

[ebon mason]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21vJ9XBozeI

[gloomy tinsel]

my client who did 550W on a 3060ti

and thats 30$ Power supply

holy shit

FSP HV PRO 550W 80+bronze

yeah thats around 30 40 ish$

[worthy musk]

yeah but doesnt it spike

i dont want it to spike and kill the system

[ebon mason]

Iphone 14 Pro Max price starts here 1530USD

[quartz atlas]

Garbobyte hours

[ebon mason]

here still have sim slot

[worthy musk]

is the psu safe or not

[wintry forge]

huh

650 watt psu is adequate for a r7 5800x and rtx 3070 system

[ebon mason]

i have 750W with 3070 and i7 9 gen

[hexed citrus]

best case it'll be fine

worst case the system won't power on

either way if something doesn't work you can always return it

[flint bobcat]

Still no usb c?

[ebon mason]

2022 u know what new nokia smartphone have MICRO-USB

[inland marsh]

At least they're sane enough to use USB-C on their higher end offering

The lower end tho, typical part stock clearance with ancient everything.
I mean, 28nm SoC, come on....

[inland marsh]

that notch tho...

[hexed citrus]

that's no longer a notch pls

that is a dynamic island

pls respecc

[inland marsh]

™️

[ebon mason]

dynamic island xD

its good they use this HOLE

[sand wedge]

welcome to #technology viciousPink...not that much active..but have fun in here

[prime haven]

well, ill just try posting here then, and hope people dont bully me bcs im off-topic after all

[prime haven]

im really impressed by the performance of the iPad with stage manager, managing 3 “full-screen apps” at the same time like this, while still running a game like genshin impact on about 60fps

[prime haven]

stage manager seems pretty good, though a little finicky and buggy still

[worthy musk]

Nice profile picture

My beloved christina

[subtle hawk]

That's impressive for an iPad an all, but it's a glorified cutting board imo that can't make calls, and quite ironically, I still see no use for one besides using it as a cutting board or a door stopper

[prime haven]

It can make videocalls, and also normal calls, use sms and other apps for chatting
As for creation, you can work on documents, manage e-mails, create professional drawings, do video-editing etc.
You can browse, play games, read books, manga, novels etc., watch videos
I personally also use it for language study, editing and adding detailed flashcards, while having dictionaries in an app open on multi-tasking.
All of which gain massive benefit from a larger, yet light device.
Many of those things are simply terrible, or impossible on a phone.

I am fairly sure you just "want to hate on it", but if you want, you can name me examples where you feel like the iPad is lacking for "practical uses". I'm especially curious for issues with non-professional workloads.

[subtle hawk]

Jesus I didn't ask for a paragraph

I get it, you're an iOS fan

[prime haven]

the expected reply. as my tldr says it at the end, you just wanna hate.

[subtle hawk]

Of course, because Apple is terrible LOL

[prime haven]

i have exactly 1 apple device, and use an android phone

you ignored what i wrote, all true things, and couldn't answer things that it is actually lacking in. i suppose this conversation is over with that.

[subtle hawk]

You're not as dumb as you look.. that's exactly what I was going with so 👏

Moving on, because I don't like speaking to fanboys

[hexed citrus]

well the newest ipads suffer from identity crisis

not quite an iphone while also not quite a macbook

a weird in-between that doesn't fill the needs of either niche

[prime haven]

you make a good point. i get a lot of people saying this... but i don't think that at all.
I feel like people that want it to be a PC think it has an identity crisis.
People that want it to be an ipad... have an incredible device rn

ultimately it comes down if you actually "want a tablet"

[hexed citrus]

when it has specs rivaling a macbook yet the software is not quite macOS yet apple keeps making it nore macOS like and add laptop like accessories

I get them, they don't want the ipad to eat into their macbook sales but at the same time they want it to be a macbook with a touchscreen

[prime haven]

yeah... but i like it not being a computer, i like the easy and quick multi-tasking, since i am not looking to do most desktop workloads on it.
i suppose they could make an "optional" mac-OS option in the settings... but... i for example don't want it to be mac-OS... so it would really need to be "optional"

[subtle hawk]

Exactly this. It's like trying to be both but ultimately fails in the end

[prime haven]

i actually use that accessory (you speaking of the magic keyboard i think), and use it for language study, and even for simple things like microsoft office on the go. it works perfectly well. also great for quicker browsing and chatting, like on discord.
i don't feel like it is lacking at all for such basic tasks

[hexed citrus]

one device that has hit that multitasking niche is the fold from samsung, you can use it as a phone but if you need the screen space you just unfold it and can fit a ton of apps on the main display

and when I'm done fold it back and it fits in the pocket

[prime haven]

a nice device for sure! it is personally too bulky to me (and the screen scratches from fingernails)

[subtle hawk]

I'd like to imagine Apple entering the fold market at some point, calling it innovation (as they always do, even though late to the party) and charging over a grand for it

[hexed citrus]

it doesn't

unless you really press hard on it

[prime haven]

i tested it myself in an online store- literally dented

[hexed citrus]

was it the fold 2?

[prime haven]

(it already had a bunch of scratches- so i added my own)

i should clarify- i used my fingernail to dig into the screen, like digging into an apple-peel with your nail (with the purpose of penetrating the peel)

and i dont think so. i think it was fold 1. you think it improved that much?

[hexed citrus]

the 3 and 4 don't have that issue as I would've noticed it while daily driving it

and yeah you shouldn't do that, you press on it gently else you will dent it

the screen is soft and will take some abuse but not too aggressive

[prime haven]

oh- i am pretty sure you would never test "what i did" on your phone. but its great to hear it improved. I would still test it in an online store, if it is already roughed up (sorry mediamarkt)

but yeah, you feel like i can talk decently with you, so what do you feel like it "lacking" on the ipad. not broad, but actual use-cases @hexed citrus

i hear people "it should be more like a pc" broadly... but i never hear anyone say "oh no- i couldn't do X or Y on the ipad!" (other than professional workloads)

here is an example case of split-screen + slide over.

using the dictionary entry automatically by copying the word into the clipboard. quickly using hyperlinks to instantly open google images with illustrations for editng the cards (safari will automatically open in that case)

i think it is an overall really nice editing experience, and helps a lot with language study

now having something like azur lane open doing auto-search in the background. While any other app can be open in the background.

and then just basic uses like reading manga (which is best on a 4:3 screen)
or watching videos in the background, while playing with the nintendo switch. things like these.

I am perfectly happy with the devices identity, and it does exactly what i want it to do. Though I do understand that that's different for every person.

[hexed citrus]

the issue I find with the ipad isn't from the ipad itself but rather ipadOS and well the apple ecosystem

[prime haven]

it seems this is a broad statement again though. what exactly do you dislike or miss?

[hexed citrus]

for example file transfer, on a samsung phone I can easily share a file with another non-samsung device either via network share to a NAS or via cable at USB 3.1 speeds or via wireless while on ipad you're essentially locked to using that locked down version of file explorer and airdrop which demands a apple device

[subtle hawk]

And iTunes is just God awful to use

[hexed citrus]

because nobody is masochistic enough to transfer files over that USB C which is wired up to be a USB 2

[prime haven]

and regarding the eco-system... i only have an ipad. that's my only device since 5 years from apple. and as i said.. im perfectly happy

i transfer files over google drive... if i need to, that is. which is.... rare. what or why do i wanna transfer as for files? whats the use-case?

[hexed citrus]

for example I need to take a look over a document from the company server, on an ipad I can't log onto a SMB share while on android, be it a foldable or a phone or a tablet, I can just quickly log in, preview the file and if necessary edit it on the network without needing to copy it locally

you may be content with just that, and that's fine, but I feel anyone that looks at an ipad as something more for productivity would want it to have better interoperability with other devices and services without requiring 3rd party apps or services to achieve that functionality

[prime haven]

i am pretty sure that does fall onto the category "professional work load" as i mentioned before.
and towards that, my old industry production-manager (boss) used an ipad simply as a note-board, entering the current status on how production is going for the commissions

[hexed citrus]

don't get me wrong the ipad is plenty capable as it is but it feels like apple is really forcing you to get a accompanying macbook if you want to use it to its fullest potential

[prime haven]

that's the thing though. I am not talking about coding, making programs, running servers, designing websites and any other things of the "IT-, or professional-" category.

I ask about the capabilies of the device towards a non professional. (a teenager in school, a guy that works as a salesman, bricklayer, tailor, hairdresser, you name it)
people where you obviously know "logging onto a my computer server for SMB shares 🤓 " is never going to be relevant to them.

IT-people never have apple as their favorites- and apple also doesn't have IT-people as their favorites either.

[subtle hawk]

As Yamato said, it has some capabilities, but I personally refuse to learn a locked down OS that only Apple supports and in the end cannot do much with it (other than jailbreaking)

[hexed citrus]

sure it will be able to fill the niche for a lot of other target audiences but there's some issues in the professional space that regardless of usecase would be difficult to manage such as inventory management, apple doesn't offer any way for the company IT admin to manage the fleet of deployed apple devices remotely such as locking down access, managing to whom each of them is given, what apps it has installed, the location of it, etc

there's also the issue of needing ipadOS apps that have to be installed via the app store which severely restricts the ability to run legacy apps that may not have been purpose built for this platform, and even if you wanted to make such an app you'd need a mac or a macbook to publish said app as they've locked all app management into XCode which is only on macOS

apple doesn't have this issue since they can deploy their own custom apps and firmware and achieve that without much hassle, but for anyone else they're essentially stuck between a rock and a hard place

[prime haven]

maybe to not sound too "denying". I am fully aware of the shortcoming as to compatibility with other systems in IT-related topics.
but for (the majority of) people that don't do anything "specifically IT", I don't really see major shortcomings.

I hope you notice, that you seem to be a very "IT-related" person. I suppose given the nature of this very channel, that's only natural.

As for me, I am an electronics technician. I know some basic coding with assembler and basic and some SPS... but that's it. I would still say i have practically no knowledge of IT at all. and that's fine. i don't need it.

[hexed citrus]

as you said, even as a factory worker, if I'm given a device to say manage shifts or something of the sorts from the company inventory it needs to be tracked and managed, which is incredibly difficult on apple

[prime haven]

i think they just used microsoft office... that's automatically synced

[hexed citrus]

the issue isn't the app but the device itself, how can I as a company make sure that you won't try to sell the device claiming it was lost, or install god knows what on it or try to do something that's not allowed

[prime haven]

remember that most office workers... simply use microsoft office.
though i understand that an external program, like keeping work times or stock, would not work on ipad.

[hexed citrus]

if it was running macOS then there's plenty of such apps available

but alas

[prime haven]

yes... but... "just buy a computer "
you clearly seem to need a computer. So you probably only look for a "slate-shaped computer (with optional touchscreen)
I understand that the iPad could be a computer, if apple allows it to be one... but well... it isn't.

[hexed citrus]

I do have a surface pro 7+ so I do have the iPad that is a computer essentially

complete with the pen and keyboard cover

[prime haven]

but please remember at the same time I don't want it to be a computer, as a casual user. So apple would need to make sure to have iPadOS on the device in its current form, as well as a 2nd OS...?

[subtle hawk]

Well, you don't want it, but others possibly do

This isn't about you only, but market in general

[hexed citrus]

now if this was an apple device running arm and macOS then it would've been a killer device but unfortunately it too has flaws

[prime haven]

in other words- i appreciate the way you navigate and interact with iPadOS specifically. I think all of the things you want, would come at the cost of making the "ipad experience" worse. Even if only battery life, for example.

i can't imagine the super thin ipad, having "1:1 macOS, with no compensation" would have no impact on battery life. but maybe im wrong about that. but i assume a mobileOS is much more economic in nature. (like automatically stopping function of apps, the moment you switch to another app)

imagine your macOS instantly stopping your torrenting-program, or steam-game the moment you minimize it.

[subtle hawk]

Can't really imagine it because I'm a Windows user, and a bit of Linux to the side when bored

[prime haven]

azur lane, genshin impact etc. lose connection to the server, the moment you swap to a different app. i think that should be remembered as important. and i can't see that behavior being healthy in a PC environment

[subtle hawk]

Forgetting that Android emulator exists for PC which can run in the background obviously

[prime haven]

weight is important-
battery is important-
form-factor is important-

while many people think that adding a bigger battery is better. I don't think that. I always look at the weight of my mobike device. it is a decently relevant point to factor in if i buy a product or not.

[hexed citrus]

yeah I'm not talking about a exact 1:1 macOS experience but swapping out the underlying OS which for ipadOS is iOS to macOS but keep the touchscreen user experience and optimizations, basically the best of both worlds

[prime haven]

but yeah. I think that's mostly what you want right? A surface pro. no?

i dont know the device internally at all myself. but i think it was basically just a tablet-windows computer, right?

[hexed citrus]

both of those do that because the game systems rely on very tight timing so if you do not reply to the server for a couple of seconds it force cuts the connection so you have to reconnect

[prime haven]

i can see how that is cool, and much more... well.. PC, than the ipad

[prime haven]

yeah yeah, but the OS could just decide "just give them all resources while minimized, and keep up connection- why not "

[hexed citrus]

that would kill the battery, if the developers would've wanted a seamless experience they could add a background worker to maintain the session so that when you resume you pick up where you left off

[prime haven]

that would be pretty fkn convinient- yes- they should do that

[hexed citrus]

the surface pro is pretty heavy all things considered, not to mention mine is specced with an i7 so it gets pretty warm when operating demanding apps

[prime haven]

do you have an ipad btw?

[hexed citrus]

which yes it can do that for a whole day without a charge but man is it a pain to hold with one hand

[prime haven]

i will show you something, on HOW quick it loses connection.

[subtle hawk]

Because they're always online games

[hexed citrus]

I don't but I had one for a while

[subtle hawk]

That's how it works

[prime haven]

fuck... azur lane is in maintenance

well... i guess i wont show you.

[subtle hawk]

You need a constant stable connection to both games, otherwise the mere second a network becomes flaky or goes down on a device, it will disconnect you

They're always online and same reason you need to have them running on screen, otherwise running them in the background won't work

And also as Yamato said, you don't want people killing their batteries by having the games run in the background just like that

[hexed citrus]

you don't need the entire game to run

just the networking aspect

which is negligible

[subtle hawk]

Well that part, yeah

[hexed citrus]

unless the app needs to phone home like every second

[prime haven]

an action like this- or even just going into the top right control panel, cuts the connection—- however using slide over multitasking for example, doesn’t.

so the OS is very specific about when it wants to cut resouces, and when not

sadly... i cant show it... bcs of maintenence... so just pretend that the auto-search just stopped...

[hexed citrus]

that can be adjusted on any OS

for example on my fold I can decide if I want the app to be frozen while other windows are focused or if some other window is put on top of it then it can also put the app to sleep

but again, the user should be given the option of if they want to fuck their battery life for maximum gamer or not

[prime haven]

that goes against apples philosophy. no option yo fuck yourself

if a user doesn't even know that "genshin impact on highest settings with 60fps option kills their battery", then that's fine.
the user shouldn't need to know if something fucks them or not

[hexed citrus]

apple's philosophy is more of "you are just too stupid to think for yourself, let me show you how it needs to be done and don't question it"

[prime haven]

the same thing goes for people that go with 120hz and 1440p on their samsung smartphone, and then are confused why their battery is bad. they simply don't know.

[subtle hawk]

Was going to mention. Apple deciding shit on behalf of users, like no thanks

[hexed citrus]

I mean ur device health app will tell you that hey the display is eating up most of the battery life, should probably turn down the settings

[prime haven]

my mother is scared (actually scared) every time any warning pops up on android. it is incredibly annoying

[hexed citrus]

that's why there's now a "boomer" mode in android

where it dumbs down the phone so that even elderly can use it

[prime haven]

she calls me for the user-data agreement, when she opens google

[hexed citrus]

without having to teach them complex gestures or interfaces

I recently gave my grandparents a new smartphone so that they can call family and had to enable that mode since they would come to me to ask what each notification and popup means

now it works kinda like an iphone but not really

[prime haven]

not sure if you believe me, but i believe i am truly not a fanboy of anything (except for nintendo.)
I just love great tech.
If the iPad would truly have things that bother me, and a different device would be better, i would simply swap. i have no emotional connection to any company (other than nintendo somewhat)

I am still astounded by how fluent and great everything flows and works on the ipad, even 1 1/2 years after purchase. It still feels "wow. this user experience is just miles and miles ahead of my other devices!" every time.

[subtle hawk]

Cool, I personally dislike Nintendo so.. to each their own

[hexed citrus]

you hate all mainstream stuff

[subtle hawk]

You don't know me to an extent so I disagree

However, it's morally correct to pirate Nintendo titles

[prime haven]

btw, on another note, that is definitely towards your side of argument of "wtf apple- why??"

[hexed citrus]

it's not

[prime haven]

in iPadOS16, apple now requires a permission for apps to dead the clipboaord.

nice. good for privacy.

but!!! there is no option to permanently allow an app to read the clipboard automatically

[hexed citrus]

piracy is not okay unless you actually have a original copy or license and just can't find any other source

and in that case it's not technically piracy, it's digital archiving

[subtle hawk]

Understandable, have a nice day

[prime haven]

effecively, iPadOS16 cripples my dictionary app in comparision to iPadOS15

[subtle hawk]

However, I'll just say it: That's your opinion and I respect it, but you're not going to change mine, ty

And besides, where I live, ISPs do not care what you're doing on the internet (I know my country, don't act like you do), so hey-ho, you ain't winning this one in terms of the piracy part

[prime haven]

check out this ATROCITY

[hexed citrus]

it's also hypocritical of apple, they themselves have full access to your device and subsystems which phone home but other apps aren't allowed to do the same

because muh privacy

[hexed citrus]

don't act like you somehow have a justification for pirating or that you're better than anyone in this channel please

[subtle hawk]

Well you see. I do. Justified as heck. That's the point LOL

[prime haven]

i am fully “accepting of apple and google getting my info” there is no need for random non-serious, small companies to harvest and sell my data.
unknown apps will legit sell all your private data and phone numbers to the scummiest companies, and even try to read stuff like creditcard info

[subtle hawk]

You ain't winning with your morality btw, but you can keep barking orders, I won't stop you

[prime haven]

in other words- only because apple and google harvest my data, doesn’t mean that random-app-developer#23423 should get my privat data as well. esspecially since those people don’t care about legality at all.

[hexed citrus]

usually those apps are quickly caught by the app stores, the issue is that apple and google basically are competing with the other platforms like meta, twitter, microsoft, etc for your digital fingerprint to sell to ad companies, and because apple is such a huuuuge market and source of information they don't want to share that with anyone else

[prime haven]

anyways. you see the video i post? @subtle hawk
my dictionary tries to read my clipboard, in order to automactially open the dictionary entry for that word… and on the new OS… apple asks every time, for permission. its GIGA frustrating!

[subtle hawk]

Cool, but no, I'm not engaging with that topic

[hexed citrus]

then take your shit takes somewhere else, nobody here is gonna praise you for it

[prime haven]

i am 100% happy with apple preventing the other companies to get that data and “only” harvesting it for themselves. It’s a win-win for me, and for apple/google.

[subtle hawk]

Can always praise myself for screwing the developers, but you do you fam. Seems like you like to think of yourself as Batman of Discord, but I won't stop you

[prime haven]

ultimately. 1 giant getting all the shit, is still better than everyone getting it.

[subtle hawk]

I have experience with egotistical people, so you're not the first one homie

[prime haven]

please don’t try talking down on other people tabak. trust me. you are really not in the position for that.

[hexed citrus]

while I don't really care who gets my data I also don't agree with having one entity control who gets my digital fingerprint

[subtle hawk]

Seems like you're ignoring his messages above but I digress

[hexed citrus]

the only egotistical person here is you

[subtle hawk]

I'll take that as a compliment

[hexed citrus]

since you come in here with your "haha fuck this and fuck that, you can't stop me" and never engage in anything remotely constructive

[prime haven]

yes- i agree… in this case it is simply: give them to just one, or to all.
which is a “bad vs worse” situation. and in that, i prefer “bad”

[subtle hawk]

Yes indeed. Fuck OnePlus

[hexed citrus]

it's more of a if one entity has control over a entire sector it can impose its own pricing since what will you do, go to someone else? there is nobody else, a.k.a a monopoly

and in this case apple has a monopoly on the iphone, ipad and mac ecosystem

[prime haven]

BUT @hexed citrus what do you think on the “privacy feature” crippling my dictionary app and language study, while not having an option to turn it off.

that’s definitely one of the things on apple i hate.

[hexed citrus]

well on mac it can be argued for definitely for iphone and ipad

[hexed citrus]

that's the apple "you don't know better" approach

and treating their userbase as dumb sheep

[subtle hawk]

In the end, no company is perfect by any means

[hexed citrus]

or to put it in public relations speak

[prime haven]

well, yes, but also not fully. being able to give permanent permission would leave to apps saying “press aceept- or lose access to the app. i know i win!”-facebook / tictoc

[hexed citrus]

In order to provide the our customers with the trust and security that the Apple devices have been known for we decided to not allow any precedent for allowing unrestricted access to the clipboard as that could compromise security and integrity of a user's data.

[prime haven]

the mc-donalds app, also the “bose headphones”-app doesnt work without location-tracking. so i uninstalled them. but.. most people won’t i think

[hexed citrus]

it's also a lazyness aspect, why should I bother implementing code that works without said permissions when I can just force you to give me said permissions

[prime haven]

btw. the new stage-manager on iPad is super fkn nice.
but also super fkn broken. there are COUNTLESS bugs.

i don’t see a world where they can actually fix them before launch in october (im in beta)

[hexed citrus]

the fold experience still has a ton of bugs for a lot of apps since you're essentially running android in both phone and tablet mode at the same time

and a lot of apps don't know how to handle that

with a lot of them requiring a full restart when switching modes

[prime haven]

like many blatent bugs in core mechanics. And they avertised it as their “main addition to iPadOS16 (and macOS)”. So just scrapping it is not an option i think

[prime haven]

well.. that’s android though. Jank is part of the OS. (i use android myself, no. i am not fanboying)

[hexed citrus]

idk I've never had issues with it when running a normal phone

[prime haven]

my standard galaxy S20+ runs like dog-shit compared to iOS. but ultimately has core features that are essential to me, that an iphone doesnt have.

[hexed citrus]

I had a S10+ before the fold and I would still use it up to this day if it wouldn't be for the battery wearing out

[prime haven]

like: double tapping to unlock the phone. no lock screen. no swiping. no password, no fingerprint reader.

i have my phone fully unlocked, and want it to take “into the current app” without a lock-screen inbetween.
i want my music app (with local files) to not be dog-shit.
I want to have apps like azur lane, open in a multi-tasking window, etc.

btw. i am from europe, so i got the shitty samsung in-house CPU

no snapdragon

[subtle hawk]

Well there is a talk that Samsung will finally put Exynos to sleep and start rolling out Snapdragon for each region, a rumor more like

Which is fine by me, Exynos is just.. no

[hexed citrus]

I also had mine with exynos, it's okay, sure it's not that 3% better snapdragon but it works just as well

only benchmark snobs scoff at the newest exynos chips

the old ones were indeed bad

as for the music app, I don't use that one, I use either spotify or AIMP if I want to listen to my FLAC songs

as for multi tasking, that's possible

[prime haven]

man… i really want stage-manager to work properly…
and i also want apple live-text to be able to read vartical text…

android/the s20+ had lags and stutters from day 1. just like every android phone.
though i suppose you need to be sensitive for it to be annoyed by it

[subtle hawk]

My Galaxy S7 lagged like a mf at one point (Exynos version), but that was 4 years after buying it, and that's when I replaced it with a OnePlus, that I finally got rid of after 2 years due to massive issues with it

[hexed citrus]

and yeah I can open discord as a window as well

and have all 3 active at the same time

[prime haven]

ah, those fkn borders though

and yeah- my s20+ also easily does that (though it does slurp-up the battery like cup noodles)

[hexed citrus]

well when you go into multitasking mode on a phone that's to be expected

[prime haven]

yeah. as i said here- multi-tasking is one of the nicest things on android** HOWEVER:** i **only **use it for gacha games. nothing else at all. so it would be irrelevant, if i wouldnt play AL basically.

[hexed citrus]

well my phone is also my portable computer in a sense

as in I can write an email, work on a document, make a presentation, etc while not needing to whip out the laptop

if I wanted a device to purely play gatchas, watch movies and listen to music I'd probably get an ipad

[prime haven]

well, with magic keyboard, you can also add all the above things, very well actually even. simply not IT-stuff.

[hexed citrus]

yeah but at that point might as well bring out the laptop

occupies the same space

[prime haven]

but its not a laptop- its still the ipad. reading manga in bed is... kinda cringe on a laptop

or even on a bus

[hexed citrus]

I read it on my phone just unfolded

but yeah I can see the point

[prime haven]

well yes- thats perfect for the samsung fold!

the fold also has a ... somewhat close to 4:3 ratio, right?

[hexed citrus]

just that once you add the magic keyboard it's when it loses efficiency for me since in that case might as well get the laptop out and have all the tools and features for the same space

[prime haven]

i would never buy a tablet without 4:3 display ratio, as reading is one of my main things

[hexed citrus]

24:9 ratio

[prime haven]

uh--- you looked up the specs for the front screen i think

[hexed citrus]

o rite

the inside is 21.6:18

[prime haven]

that ratio you named is ultra-tall

[hexed citrus]

which is a rlly weird ratio but it works surprisingly well

[prime haven]

3.6 : 3 instead of 4:3 is your ratio then

[hexed citrus]

yeah it's almost a perfect square

[prime haven]

take a look at these 2 sceenshots of a manga page

s20+

ipad

screen-space is just great 4:3 for manga. so it's important to me

stuff like this, people usually don't even think of. but if you spent dozens of hours on it per month, then it is quite important.

[hexed citrus]

you obv don't see the black bars because OLED

[prime haven]

for a moment i thought "does this guy also read nagatoro??" but since its a japanese cover.. you probably just cropped my screenshot xd

[hexed citrus]

no I do read it

this is from my reader app

[prime haven]

in japanese too?

[hexed citrus]

depends on what I feel like

[prime haven]

nah, nvm

@hexed citrus check out this mess of how window management bugs out.
AL returns to a full-screen state, and needs to be readjusted to a window, and the flashcard+dictionary app randomly change aspect ratio and size inbetween swaps.

to be fair: it IS still in beta. but idk if they’ll fix it by launch.

[hexed citrus]

they'll probably fix it

[prime haven]

esspecially the one at 0:18 in the video

where to window bugs out and changes both apps.

you can also not swipe up to get the home-bar, or to go to the home screen, if a full-screen app is windowed.

[prime haven]

i somewhat doubt it. but we'll see.

[hexed citrus]

which is why I said probably

they did this whole SIKE we fixed it in stable but never rolled it out to beta testers

android betas are similar where a lot of shit is broken but once stable rolls around it's magically fixed

[prime haven]

btw. another thing on "apple philosophy".
the stage mangager, that you see in the video above is ONLY avbailable for iPads with M1 chips (aka. only the newest iPad Pro specifically)

There is 0 chance another iPad could run 4 heavy task-loaded apps and still run smooth. and that would make the ipad seem slow, clunky and janky. so they decide you need an M1 chip.
So you are not allowed to choose "i am fine with lag and slow down". Apple says: It has to run smooth at all times!

[hexed citrus]

I doubt it's gonna run laggy, it's more of "you want this shiny new toy? go buy our newest product"

samsung did the same with the fold 4 where that quick app taskbar at the bottom is only immediately available to the fold 4

fold 3 is gonna get it much later

[prime haven]

i doubt that. It even supports up to 8 apps on an external display

[prime haven]

@hexed citrus like... that's impressive performance imo. genshin is set to high settings on 60fps.
My phone stutters like crazy, even if i have genshin open as the only app period.

(ofc this video is purely example. this isn't actually a practical use)

[hexed citrus]

sensory overload much lol

[prime haven]

btw. samsung. pls. just copy apple and stop those fkn bars

or come up with something else.. that isnt those bars

[hexed citrus]

those bars come from DeX

since that is made to look a lot like windows

[prime haven]

i know. but its on my phone as well (though a bit smaller)

but apples 3-point system is pretty nice.

only rarely creates jank

[hexed citrus]

it's also made for those that don't want to use gestures

like myself

[prime haven]

don't you agree? these videos and how the windows look and move just... "feels good", no? @hexed citrus
like... i think all the animations from ipados go a long way to making it an enjoyable experience

[hexed citrus]

I mean apple is known for actually putting effort in their user experience

at least on the mobile devices

[prime haven]

i feel like wanting to show this off to people from 1950s and show them like this "look at this!" kinda of feel.

like sure. android would also be impressive as hell... but the lag / "no animation freeze" when opening an app, all the stutter, annoy me to no end..

[hexed citrus]

that is not lag

[prime haven]

even though it would blow their minds all the same

[hexed citrus]

that is just the animations not being fluid enough

iOS and ipadOS are both made to look and feel fluid and responsive which is an effect that is done by the animations

[prime haven]

yeah, ultimately it "is" lag. the same lag thats also on iOS... but ios transitions them with animations

(actually, idk if ios does that. i only know ipados)

[hexed citrus]

no matter how powerful a device is there's always some time that it needs to start and load an app and or switch between apps, especially on mobile devices where the OS is so segmented

[subtle hawk]

Android does allow you to turn off animations though, through developer options

[hexed citrus]

shut

[prime haven]

but your brand new fold is probably significantly faster once again, than my s20

[subtle hawk]

Can make it or break it lol

[hexed citrus]

yeah it is but that's mostly from the improved NVMe storage and the bigger RAM

you can make the S20 look just a fluid by adding timely animations to hide this loading time making it "feel" faster and more responsive

which is why such jobs as UX engineers exist

their whole job is to make things be intuitive, feels smooth and fast

[prime haven]

to sum it up:

• my phone is practical. it needs to do everything. and the importance is on "being able to do it."
• my ipad is just pure joy. and it needs to excel at everything it does.

i want a phone to be more versatile than a tablet, which is the perfect situation. iPadOS is much more versatile than iOS, even though i want my phone to be more versatile.
This creates this rift of "android = good for phone", "iOS too limited for a phone", "iPad just right".

[hexed citrus]

I found the perfect balance between tablet and phone in the fold

some people told me I'm a madman and wasting money on it

[prime haven]

So the device "that needs to do less -> does more than iOS"

[hexed citrus]

but so far I've been enjoying it to bits

[prime haven]

nah- the newest fold seems really good. i just don't like the bulk and soft-screen

[hexed citrus]

I even got its special S Pen pro

[prime haven]

and... i have an ipad

[hexed citrus]

but it's one chungus pen that youcan't really stow with the phone

(the one I have is the left most one)

[prime haven]

when the fold is a good hybrid of phone and tablet, the iPad is a good tablet with some laptop capabilities

[prime haven]

yeah- this looks... very big. i think the perspective of the picture also makes it look weird. i looks like that device is A4 sized

[hexed citrus]

I guess that summarizes it really well, the ipad is a tablet that has some laptop features

it's about the size of a apple pencil

only thinner

[prime haven]

i didn't wanna call it a tablet-laptop hybrid, because i don't think it is. I really think it is just "a top-notch tablet." (with some laptop stuff extra)

isnt that bigger than the phone?

[hexed citrus]

it is

vertically

[prime haven]

wait... that gray thing isnt the fold in your picture?

[hexed citrus]

nope

that's just a notebook put in the background

[prime haven]

oh... so it IS actually a A4 paper

[hexed citrus]

smaller

I'd say A5 maybe?

the pen is 1 cm taller than the phone

give or take

but since it's so slim you won't notice it if you put it in your pocket

[prime haven]

i hope you draw.

i have an apple pencil as well. but i don't draw... and i am left handed

[hexed citrus]

freehand? not so much

[prime haven]

overall a very sad accessory for me

[hexed citrus]

but sketches and CAD? pretty often

[prime haven]

Look at the cringe left handed grab

[hexed citrus]

it only has magnets to hold on the right side?

[prime haven]

ye

[hexed citrus]

that's weird

on my surface pro it has magnets on both sides

since I'm left handed as well

[prime haven]

remember it charges there as well. they would need to have a charger to the left as well

and then jerryrigeverything breaks the tablet

[hexed citrus]

then again if you'd be drawing you'd have it in landscape mode

to have access to all the pencils and color wheel

and then it would be on top so I guess it makes sense?

[prime haven]

a canvas is landscape too-
and ofc for editing etc the apple pencil is also great... but holding it with the one hand, and removing it with the other is terrible. the pencil even comes in the way, when you hold it with your right hand, while also having the pencil there

it really wants to be held with the left hand (or rotated)

[hexed citrus]

on the surface pro I just need to move it to the other side and it's fine

[prime haven]

@hexed citrus xdd

[hexed citrus]

that's one thing I never understood on the ipad

why not let me hold it upside down

on windows and android I can do that if I want to

[prime haven]

well it does... just full screen landscape apps dont allow that for some reason

"apps with no multitasking fullscreen landscape" i think

@hexed citrus there you can see. its pretty sad.

actually... i am trying out different apps now. maybe its actually just fkn fire emblem

[hexed citrus]

blame nintendo in this case

[prime haven]

it is the "fullscreen apps". all apps with no multi-tasking functionality will behave the same

so apps like youtube and discord work in all 4 orientations, but professor layton / fire emblem only work in a single direction.

@hexed citrus OMG- are you ready for the ultimate jank? check this out: (Jank ft. Stage manager beta jank)

turns out- since the stage manager forces even fullscreen apps to be windowed, it can rotate the app (while windowed)

[quartz atlas]

fking this

my new director, ex-amazonian, fucking sucks on apples balls

wants to change the entire fleet of devices for the c-suite to fking apple

if he does that, i will literally quit

[prime haven]

your pfp is not from babymetal, is it?@quartz atlas

[hexed citrus]

are you in the c-suite doe?

[quartz atlas]

Lmao no

I manage the devices tho

[hexed citrus]

I was about to say

you're gonna have to inventory those

[prime haven]

well now, there isn't much to manage if they get apple stuff- sounds like a win to me.

oh, i guess mac OS might have stuff to manage.

[quartz atlas]

Clearly you have never worked in a cooperation before

All office issued devices need to comply to IT Policy

[prime haven]

i think i am working in one right now

[quartz atlas]

And properly managed for security compliance as well as connection to company network and interfacing with other network enabled devices within the environment

[prime haven]

yeah- its very fkn annoying. we aren't allowed to patch the ethernet ourselves, and instead have to wait weeks for the IT-guy to do it

[quartz atlas]

Setting up a connection to network print server on windows, takes less than a min

On macOS? Have fun taking 2hours to try and troubleshoot why this particular Mac doesn't want to provide the correct authentication

[prime haven]

im electronics technician systems and devices, so i only know it is very annoying to deal with the IT guys

[quartz atlas]

Im the IT guy, it's very annoying to deal with end users

[prime haven]

probably wouldn't happen with an Apple-Server ™️

[quartz atlas]

uses a mac
asks me why his apple calendar doesn't sync with outlook

Who the fuck asked you to use a mac lmao

Go suck some balls

[prime haven]

he could have just used outlook

[quartz atlas]

He could, but he wants his apple calendar

Which is why

End users are tards

[subtle hawk]

uses a Mac
has Outlook on it
proceeds to use Mail instead

And yeah, dealing with end users is pain

[prime haven]

well, i use g-mail on my ipad

and g-drive instead of icloud

[inland marsh]

To this day I still can't understand why my boss insisted on using Mac for CFD works
It leads to interesting situation were both us end users (engineers), IT technicians, and software vendors half asses to give any support and take things seriously

[prime haven]

is your boss also IT doe?

[inland marsh]

No, he's academician background

[quartz atlas]

Best case I have encountered yet

insists on signing multimillion dollar contracts on an ipad

documents are saved on onedrive secured with Adobe sign

signs with iPad natively

complains that his signature can be moved around and edited by receiving party

[prime haven]

terrible design for youtube music in portrait and landscape “how should we use the 11-inch screen? A: Eh, just stretch it.”

A: "also- make the cover smaller"

[inland marsh]

At least they know digital signature isn't just putting jpeg signature on docs, right?
right?

[quartz atlas]

He signed with his apple pen