pvp

[sterile bobcat]

no duca or shima gang

[candid sluice]

yea use noshi

[keen silo]

noshiro is ok

[untold crater]

Noshiro mid

[candid sluice]

top tier feet tho

[keen silo]

true

atdan gang

[untold crater]

Juneau off-tank/tank depending on how well she survives

Honestly tank because Noshiro

[sterile bobcat]

remind me, where does anchorage go

[untold crater]

Right

Juneau left

Noshiro mid

[sterile bobcat]

gotcha 👍

[keen silo]

pearls juneau guess no other choice though

[candid sluice]

oh thats what u mean by mid

[untold crater]

As for the equips, TB > DB in pvp so focus wyvern first, unless you're swapping that tenrai for some PvE stuff then nvm

[keen silo]

hes sandy so

doesnt mean anything

[untold crater]

Real

[untold crater]

Damn you thought fr

[candid sluice]

thought u were calling her mediocre

[keen silo]

[candid sluice]

we boutta have a fight if u said that

[untold crater]

Nah she's chilling in 2nd

[keen silo]

shiranui

[sterile bobcat]

I think I have enough plates to +12 the wyvern so I'll go do that
as for +13 tho, should I still prioritize the planes or upgrade vanguards 457/table first?

[untold crater]

I think Wyvern/457/tenrai/table order

[keen silo]

457 first

for vanguards equips

wyvern first overall

457 has to be first cuz additional dmg modifier as opposed to table

[untold crater]

Yep

[keen silo]

same priority as pve, guns > aux

u jsut upgrade different shit.

[sterile bobcat]

I see

[calm mica]

guns > planes > aux since planes take 3x the plates

[untold crater]

What

[calm mica]

BBs have one main gun, but CVs have 3 planes

[keen silo]

yea, 3 plane slots

[untold crater]

You using a UR fighter)

Where did you get that

[keen silo]

2 1/3 more plates

[calm mica]

I'm borrowing one from Unultra

[untold crater]

Wyvern contributes more dmg than 457 will when going from +10 to +13 so wyvern first

Then 457

Then tenrai bc db in pvp lmao

[keen silo]

hiryuu with +13 tenrai actually not bad

[untold crater]

Yea better than +10 tenrai

[keen silo]

can see the melting of the vanguard

[untold crater]

But rather see her with +13 wyvern over +13 tenrai

[keen silo]

true

[untold crater]

All will be +13 eventually tho

[keen silo]

i still need 480 plate

[untold crater]

Imagine IJN lmao

1920 plane plates...

[sterile bobcat]

do I just go eva gear on noshi?

I do have the black torp aux lying around

[untold crater]

Personally I don't like EVA build for VG fleets

[keen silo]

black torp probably not worth using with noshiro and no shima

[untold crater]

But you don't have shimakaze so probably better

[coral wren]

unikai or enty?

[untold crater]

depends on fleet

but generally

unikai

[coral wren]

my main is seyd flag vanny and unikai for now

[untold crater]

yea sounds good

but show doc, u might have something better

[coral wren]

only the ones which are possible

[coral wren]

current fleet is this with portland helena and emden

[untold crater]

level up warspite and swap her for seydlitz

for your vanguard Ancho is PR, yuki is perma pool and juneau drops 5-2

[coral wren]

juneau? think u mean someone else

i have yukikaze but underleveled

[candid sluice]

juneau is correct

[coral wren]

like a suicide boat? ok then

[untold crater]

juneau heals 25% for entire fleet

very strong support ship

[coral wren]

im doing roon in pr, only at pr 1

[untold crater]

whenever you have the USS tech, recommend starting anchorage research

its around 850?

[coral wren]

i dont have 600 yet

[untold crater]

no rush

you get the tech quite fast by simply MLBing ships

[exotic badger]

If I exit during pvp fight, do I get another chance to fight other fleets?

[untold crater]

yes

can leave an infinite amount of times

no repercussions

[exotic badger]

I only figured that out now lol

[candid sluice]

its in the pinned messages

[keen silo]

[golden arch]

Does this work for PvP?

[keen silo]

meh

[golden arch]

Those are my other choices

[golden arch]

Which ships should I use?

[keen silo]

ur vanguard seems pretty lacking

[golden arch]

Any vanguard ships I should focus on leveling/getting?

[candid sluice]

anchorage

[golden arch]

I'm not doing pr4 rn

[sterile bobcat]

how much of a difference does it make if I run noshi with gold mag torps compared to the parallel shooting ones?

[untold crater]

prefer parallel ones

they have different uses

paralell used to snipe backline, quad/quints used to hit vg

[sterile bobcat]

guess I'll run quad mags then, ty 👍

[keen silo]

noshiro quad mag is whatever

[untold crater]

for backline, VG/Percy/Warpspite, but that frontline you'll want a juneau from 5-2 and anchorage from pr4, but since you said you're not doing pr4 rn maybe Juneau/Yukikaze/Helena

[keen silo]

she wont do much anw

[golden arch]

Hmm ok

[untold crater]

but really recommend getting anchorage though, she's irreplaceable in pvp

[sterile bobcat]

wait so is that why the excel guide suggests parallels with the black torps? so that I can snipe a backliner?

[untold crater]

yes

[golden arch]

My priorities rn are Odin, fdg and agïr

[sterile bobcat]

interesting

[golden arch]

That's why I'm not in pr4 rn

[untold crater]

a lot easier to win a battle if you start off 6 v 5

[keen silo]

its a shimakaze thing

[untold crater]

she does it best

[golden arch]

About juneau is there any specific gears that I need to use on her or is she just here to heal the others when she die?

[keen silo]

use speed gears and manjuu if shes your main tank

[sterile bobcat]

yeah its good to know but I'll prob throw on eva gear and mags on noshi anyway

[golden arch]

Ok

[untold crater]

boiler + pearl tears

[golden arch]

And yukikaze?

[keen silo]

yukikaze hp item + fire extinguisher

[golden arch]

Ok

[untold crater]

fire extinguisher + goldburn

if you dont have goldburn can use a toolbox

[keen silo]

[golden arch]

Hmm ok

My back row is ok?

I mean main fleet

[untold crater]

VG/Percy/WK better

[golden arch]

Ok

[untold crater]

you dont have a reveal

so you're forced to win frontline battle every time otherwise CV wipes you

[golden arch]

Can I swap wk with uvh though or wk sniping is just better?

[untold crater]

uvh in pvp is lackluster

[golden arch]

Ok

Same thing with VG?

[untold crater]

the defbuffs stack additively so she just does little dmg

[golden arch]

Ok

[untold crater]

VG the ship or frontline

[golden arch]

Main fleet

Ap or he on her?

[untold crater]

VG is quite good for her 10% dmg buff to the whole team, and 8% dmg buff to BBs

[golden arch]

I totally forgot that you told me to use her lol

[untold crater]

AP on both WK/VG

[golden arch]

I have izumo gun and 406 mle

Those are my only ap guns rn

[untold crater]

🤔

gearlab has mk4 USS gun

best option for you until you get 457s

[golden arch]

I still need 3 gun thingy from opsi to get it

Mle on wk or VG?

[untold crater]

dont have any of these in depot?

mle u mean champy gun?

[golden arch]

Yeah

I went for this one

Wait lemme check If I'm somewhat close with the mk4

[untold crater]

dont get that one

This one

[candid sluice]

ooh that gun sucks

crafk mk4 instead

[untold crater]

this one is MK4

the other is bad

[golden arch]

I don't think I'll get it anytime soon lol

[golden arch]

Ok

[candid sluice]

stay on the grind

[golden arch]

Is there a specific place where I need to grind to get those in opsi?

[keen silo]

just play

[golden arch]

Because I rarely get those items

[candid sluice]

do your strongholds and abyssals

[untold crater]

just clear everything

[candid sluice]

abyss drops tons of those prints

[untold crater]

arbiter, strongholds, abyssal bosses, hidden zones, all drop those

can also get from meowfficer nodes

[golden arch]

Ok

That's why I usually just farm 200points for Meta boss then I don't touch opsi

[untold crater]

with your leftover AP you can just go for stars

[golden arch]

Alr

Opsi I go

Mk4 is just better in general or only in PvP?

[keen silo]

pvp

[untold crater]

pvp

in pve its skill makes it bad

[golden arch]

Ic

I'm still mid game I need a flexible ap gun but should I still get it?

I only have 2 ap guns

[candid sluice]

its still a fine gun for pve as budget 457

[untold crater]

guns in pve dont start mattering until w14 and arbiter

[candid sluice]

just dont use it for longer fights

[golden arch]

Ok

[untold crater]

nothing matters until w14/arbiter

[golden arch]

Ok

Then I just have to build juneau and yukikaze then get the mk4

[untold crater]

yeah that works until you get anchorage

[golden arch]

Is chise better than Perseus in PvP though cause I have her as well

[golden arch]

Ok

[untold crater]

slightly better, but percy gets 10% DR from planes with VG

[golden arch]

Ah ok

Alright thx for the help I'm going to start the grind

[untold crater]

[candid sluice]

good luck have fun

[sturdy thorn]

any feedback? will 125 anchorage later

[candid sluice]

your backline is very lackluster

what other ships do u have

[untold crater]

show dock

the only ships ever used there are fdg and ancho

[sturdy thorn]

there's 3 more rows of ssr at lvl 1

[candid sluice]

who are they

you didnt get vanguard?

[sturdy thorn]

didnt like her ||but did tried 130/200 still not showing||

[untold crater]

wow

[candid sluice]

yea u dont have many strong options

your best bet would be to retrofit warspite

[untold crater]

Riche/FdG/Warspite/Ancho/Yuki/Juneau

if you've already claimed the free yukikaze from the letter then maybe try helena over her

[simple sail]

Context, I dont have the essential ships for pvp for the most part and it feels like its the most I can do. Any other options?

[keen silo]

replace yuudachi and ent

[simple sail]

For...?

[keen silo]

Juneau/hiryuu

theyre perma so u probably have them

[simple sail]

Oh of course lol

Hiryuu huh...

Ik final counter but

[keen silo]

if u have vanguard can use vanguard ovet enty

[simple sail]

I do

[keen silo]

u can use vanguard instead of enty then or hiryuu

[simple sail]

What does she do better then enty in pvp?

[keen silo]

whichever you have raised

[keen silo]

lucky E is useless

takes too long to come up

vanguard 10% damage debuff and her buff to warspite snipe damage is pretty good

as well as shima frontloaded torpedo

[simple sail]

Alright, i'll try to set up my vanguard and see what I can do o

[keen silo]

gears are in the pinned messages

[simple sail]

Cool, thanks for the strats bro

[candid sluice]

post your whole dock so we can see your options

[sterile bobcat]

idk how much it matters, but for noshiro's aug slot do I put crossbow or sword?

[keen obsidian]

possible to time Ancho and Eld invincibles to not overlap?

[keen silo]

reduces avi dmg is best

[keen silo]

eldridge is random

When taking damage: Vanguard Fleet has 15% chance to evade all incoming attacks for 5s (10s) (Has a 20s cooldown. Skill starts on cooldown.)

[candid sluice]

crossbow

[untold crater]

want crossbow for that skill

[keen silo]

[sterile bobcat]

just to be sure, if I have nj/vg/aquila and aquila has wnt, should I put her middle to activate the wnt dmg reduction? or does that comp work fine without it?

[keen silo]

without on offense, with on defense

[untold crater]

Slower battles with WNT

[coral wren]

is roon good here?

[untold island]

in PVP? I think there are some tier lists somewhere

#pvp message

[coral wren]

i heard someone say my fleet is similar to teatime terror
idk why but it isnt

[untold crater]

no

the only good CA in pvp is anchorage

[candid sluice]

yeah roon suck

[coral wren]

Actually ok

[flat veldt]

SF is also good in pvp

[untold crater]

[untold island]

How much difference do Augmented gear do in PvP?

[untold crater]

small, but they're cheap so might as well get them

[untold island]

Is it worth rerolling?

[untold crater]

this rerolling mechanic

i dont get it

you can max any out and get perfect stats everytime

nothing to reroll

[mellow charm]

rerolling doesnt cost coins, so just do it

[untold crater]

reroll always gives better stats, never worse

[floral wave]

every reroll gets you better result, so not much of a gamble

[untold island]

oh yeah I know

[floral wave]

and with the worst luck possible its like 4 rerolls per item max

[untold island]

should have said something like enhancing but there is always enhancing as a thing for those as well

[untold crater]

6 maximum

[candid sluice]

of course its worth to upgrade them

and pvp modules dont differ much from pve so u can use for both places

[keen silo]

*dont differ at all

specter is just better for pve

fk gph pins

[calm mica]

what specter?

[candid sluice]

its gph what did u expect

[untold crater]

specter knight

[candid sluice]

this list is hella outdated btw dont use it

[untold island]

ye?

neat

[calm mica]

Fixed fast

[cinder wolf]

making tierlist but didnt play the game

[candid sluice]

just check pins for all your answers

tell me whats wrong with this pic

[keen silo]

spelling moment

[keen silo]

mk list btw

[calm mica]

What's the difference between the red and black names?

[candid sluice]

that explains it

[calm mica]

Wait, we can play mario kart with our ships?

[keen silo]

yep

[candid sluice]

red bad black good

[calm mica]

If nothing else, I can agree that Anchorage and Juneau are bad and that Agir and Kazagumo are good. But sadly this is the pvp channel

[keen silo]

[cinder wolf]

damn dunno kaza is as good as shima

wasted my cog to raise an UR

[candid sluice]

shouldve raised aurora instead

[cinder wolf]

yeah purple is cheap

[rustic bridge]

First win on long time

[keen silo]

grats

[rustic bridge]

1 win 9 lose

[last swan]

I can understand why other ships ul there but why Seattle?

[candid sluice]

seattle aint the worst out of those

[keen silo]

seattle is not even close to the worst

[untold crater]

seattle is quite good

she needs offtank but she's quite good vs CV fleets

seattle still better than agir, kaza, sandy, aurora now with ancho

[coral wren]

what ships do i use for pvp fleet?

[candid sluice]

do u have aquila or hiryu

front anchorage shimakaze noshiro

[keen silo]

doesnt seem like he has mafia

[trail temple]

Hiryuu should be easy enough to get

[candid sluice]

was thinking they could go nj vanguard aquila/hiryu for backline

[keen silo]

does he have chise?

the screenshot only goes up to chihaya/azusa for collab

[candid sluice]

isnt gridman after idmas

[untold crater]

NJ/VG/Percy/Ancho/Shima/Noshiro

[keen silo]

yea, thats why im askimg if he has chise

chise will display after azusa and chihaya

[untold crater]

Tbh I think Percy is barely worse than Chise

And VG giving HMS 10% DR is enough to convince me Chise is worse for this comp

The numbers, what do they mean

[crisp jay]

Mam changed their names to doujin codes

Ah nothing

[untold crater]

Secret codes?

[crisp jay]

Only down bad peeps can know that

[keen silo]

you better delete that or the mods will come after you

[untold crater]

Sorry

[candid sluice]

aye bro might wanna delet this before

[keen silo]

ye lmao

be safe

[untold crater]

[candid sluice]

quick before the farmer comes

[keen silo]

keep yourself safe my guy

[untold crater]

Keep Yourself Safe... 🤔

[crisp jay]

Aight

[candid sluice]

nice save

[keen silo]

good one bro

nice save

I am speed

[cinder wolf]

lets talk about something lese and preten nothing happened

[candid sluice]

fleebuilder has augment slots now

gonna have to update every single fleet again

[cinder wolf]

ay finally

[keen silo]

are we finally getting the saltyarrow tierlist update?

[cinder wolf]

repulse meta added

[candid sluice]

already updated it few weeks ago with rainbow table but now i have to add modules

[ancient skiff]

[untold island]

oh no

no nitro

[ancient skiff]

Unfortunate

[untold island]

happens

[rustic bridge]

Green fleet

[river marsh]

boomer

[silent valve]

A level 90 Javelin

[harsh knot]

Eco friendly?

[digital peak]

I insist, this game needs a monthly unit ban system on pvp

[ancient skiff]

Itll be the same banned units everytime

[steel coral]

pull from a pool of ships that are above a certain percentage of usage

[keen silo]

ban ranger

[last cove]

bruuuh

[light crystal]

AQL, NJ and Shima instant Ban 3

[keen silo]

If ur trying to take inspiration from cs, highest ban system in a week is ban 2

also it wouldnt work in al cuz no cost system lol

[light crystal]

Make is so that every Ban point reduces stats by 10%

Conversely, every Up point increases stats by 10%

There's ways to implement it other than a deploy cost system

[cinder wolf]

cope

[light crystal]

seethe

[keen silo]

they already have that

unless ur not reading

stats all get reduced + skill haste on ban

[trail temple]

Ban system won't change much, it'll just be different ships dominating the meta depending on the banlist.

[untold crater]

^

Ban NJ AQL Shima all u get is Nagato/Shinano/Hiryuu/Ancho/Noshiro/Juneau fleets lmfao

[trail temple]

Your best bet to create a more diverse meta is just getting better designed ships and creating a rock-paper-scissors meta

[late heath]

Even if you banned mafia, a new OP team will come up

And the cycle repeat

And it’s super easy to win on attack anyway

Your opponent is handicapped

[candid sluice]

ban all current meta fleets we just gonna go back to akaga or wasd

[late heath]

Go back to IJN, go back to french, go back to IJN again, go back to Akagi, go back to WSAD, go back to enterprise staring contest

Then somebody will craft a new “op” team and cycle repeat

And even if you win, you will never get first unless you stay up at 2 AM sandbagging

PvP is basically Player versus Sleep Schedule

https://tenor.com/view/obama-mic-drop-largar-o-microfone-gif-7413222

Sandbagging + collusion (tm)

Your average players won’t have enough gears or bother to do math + actual testing (not just testing in your brain) so they’ll just get beat by people who actually pvp anyway

And I mean, there’s literally someone here that refuse to run OPSI

[untold crater]

True and real go off

[candid sluice]

mikoto dropping factuals

[steel coral]

[cinder wolf]

fake mikoto, i dont see kasgino strat there

[candid sluice]

do i need to +13 her aux too

[steel coral]

Rerun soon

[sand cape]

If i dont have wyvern cuda is the next best thing right

[late heath]

Yes

[sand cape]

alright thanks

[untold crater]

Cuda is 2nd best but Wyvern you'll be able to get in at least 3 months time

[sand cape]

I had to swap my mafia to the weeb cause i ran into a wack triple bb setup, so i didnt have enough wyverns

I got 2 wyverns currently

I didnt see a point to craft more so im hoarding for gear lab update copium

[steel coral]

Think I might be owed some backpay...

[flat veldt]

This unikai lifts

[sand cape]

people are desperate for preloaders i guess

[untold crater]

Preload op

[candid sluice]

Juneau middle pos

Gotta protect the heal

[boreal orbit]

isn't this like a pretty damn strong fleet for PVP? i do beat most people on my server, but the best 1000 players all use new jersey and my fleet keeps loosing vs her

[winged depot]

That's an easy fleet to beat tbh

[boreal orbit]

😭

[untold crater]

that fleet clapped by any NJ fleet

probably can 1:1 NJ/Anchorage

[untold island]

@late heath you gotta relax with comments and useless/misleading messages

[untold crater]

[coral wren]

Can confirm

[keen silo]

how are those messages misleading

they are facts

[untold crater]

kashino

[keen silo]

[late heath]

It’s not misleading if you spent enough time in here reading chat and actually pvp (like the mod who said Perseus is meta)

[keen silo]

[untold crater]

he said perseus is viable

and she is

[late heath]

[flat veldt]

it's rumored that someone in Amagi finished 2nd EoS using Perseus for the entire season

[tough crest]

Any tips for how to beat this

[coral wren]

At least a FDG or Hutten/j

If no, then Bismarck

Use the secondary battery to cleanse them/j

[untold crater]

hey i know that guy

[coral wren]

Emen

[trail temple]

Nah, it's not strong at all

[cinder wolf]

kms can go back just do pve

[candid sluice]

where the misleading

all i see are facts

[untold island]

Some people that are new might take some of your jokes for facts unfortunately

[keen silo]

can you highlight the misinformation in question

[coral wren]

Kinda sad

[untold island]

Happens

[coral wren]

Nearly stand no chance to beat. Juneau is extremely asshurt to beat since she will heal the remaining ships

[untold crater]

mikoto gonna have to start puting "/j" at the end of every message that contains kashino 😭

[flat veldt]

Yep, Juneau is a CL with strong AA and provides fleet-wide heal upon death. She is the staple of all "stall" fleets and is easily accessible on most campaign maps. She's got great synergy with many comps as the heal is generally useful in most situations.

[keen silo]

[untold island]

except when she dies first at the beginning

[flat veldt]

Do you know Shanryu?

[candid sluice]

Misleading

[untold crater]

shanryu

[coral wren]

Yes, but unlikely to happen

[candid sluice]

New people might take that joke seriously

Don’t mislead

[smoky spade]

I have Juneau should I raise her for PvP although I'm just new and I don't really rank up that much

[untold crater]

yes she is very versatile

for pvp

[smoky spade]

Okie

[keen silo]

[coral wren]

is Zara good for PVP? or absolutly not

[cinder wolf]

no

pretty much 🚮

[coral wren]

ok, is Helena better or not?

[untold crater]

much better but not the most optimal

if you want a great fleet you can check pins for the tierlist or show us your dock and we can make one for you

[coral wren]

yes it is what i doo but i'am trying to change Helena

[keen silo]

Helena is ok actually if u are undergeared

[untold crater]

yep her scan can carry you at times

[candid sluice]

helena is early game cheatcode

[coral wren]

Yes but don't tank that much so i want to change her

Do i need to change her or not

[ember kite]

If your fleet can survive longer than 20s and she actually procs then keep her

[candid sluice]

u can eventually swap her with noshiro after she is raised

[untold crater]

can use Ancho/Noshiro/Juneau eventually

juneau drops 5-2

[coral wren]

Yeh i thik my fleet kan survive more than 20s

[untold crater]

wait u have shimakaze

[coral wren]

Yes

[untold crater]

just get juneau or raise noshiro its fine

what about that backline, you have aquila or VG?

[coral wren]

Non of them

[untold crater]

Perseus?

[coral wren]

Nope i'am looking for her

[untold crater]

independence?

can use hiryuu over enty tbh

[coral wren]

I have that for main fleet

[untold crater]

Hiryuu drops 3-2

better to use than enty

[coral wren]

Hiyou?

[untold crater]

Hiryuu

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Hiryuu

[coral wren]

ye her

[untold crater]

actually you can just farm her in sp3 of this event its better

[coral wren]

yeh what i'am doing rn

[untold crater]

fleet you should be working towards is NJ/WK/Hiryuu/Ancho/Shimakaze/Noshiro

[candid sluice]

https://youtu.be/7RKKbvyH08k

https://youtu.be/oSgX4iWPba8

some vanguard testing vids for those who were interested here

[daring burrow]

is champy gun best alternative for pvp bb if no UR guns?
specificaally for vanguard in this case but also asking in general

[keen silo]

406 mk4 in gear lab

the gold barrage ap gun

if you want HE theres always the fdg gun or 406mk6

[daring burrow]

alright I didn't even finish opsi story yet but I'll keep that in mind.

[daring burrow]

when do you need HE in pvp?

[keen silo]

when u want to kill the frontline

[daring burrow]

and does that happen often ?

afaik backline always the priority

[keen silo]

decently often to where there are some situations where u want HE

well mostly for richelieu/veneto

[daring burrow]

thanks

[viral quarry]

What is the most used torp Bommer?

Ow ok

Wyvern

[untold crater]

wyvern and barracuda if you dont have wyvern

[fading wing]

Can I get any advice for a PvP fleet ? (Attack)

[untold crater]

No anchorage?

nvm

Juneau drops 5-2, use her to make

VG/Warspite/Hiryuu/Anchorage/Shimakaze/Juneau

[fading wing]

Wait there should be an Nachorage in that screen I have Juneau but not levelled

[untold crater]

i see it

just bad eyesight

[fading wing]

Just lacking NJ and pasta really

[untold crater]

can use helena until 115+- Juneau

most imporant is to lvl Martyr skill

[fading wing]

She's already skill levels 10 I've just not got round to levelling her cus too many batches of 120s to level for techc

I'll probably chuck her in with Souryuu and Hiruyuu soonish cus I need to level those both soon

Before vanguard I was just hitting AoTN by rnging mafia fleets with Helena Shima and repositioning warspite depending how their backline was assembled but I wondered if there was a more consistent fleet so thank you

[untold crater]

np

[trail temple]

You have what you need a hms backline

need for a*

Vanguard/warkai/percy (or unikai)

Can use something like ancho, shima and yuudachi for vanguard

Might be more consistent than what you have currently until you level your other ships

@fading wing

[pastel frigate]

Finally

🫡

[pseudo copper]

Thanks for rushing

[candid sluice]

thank you for your service

[keen silo]

thank you for rushing

[cinder wolf]

no rush shaming plz

[flat veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-you-made-it-congrats-gif-12419756

[trail temple]

Yeah we shouldn't be shaming rushers at all

[pseudo copper]

I don't see any rush shaming here

Thanking someone for rushing is appreciation

[whole salmon]

It’s like saying “Itadakimasu”

I are thanking people for the food

[calm mica]

Yeah, this is the exact opposite of rush shaming. Rush gratitude

[candid sluice]

we are rush appreciating

[flat veldt]

But is it ok to shame baggers who go from 5/10 to 0/10?

[untold crater]

what about those that go from 9/10 to 10/10

[somber monolith]

https://youtu.be/BB54h7DKlgc I shouldn’t have won...

[untold crater]

Bruh

That's a waifu fleet

And you almost lost

[somber monolith]

There were many things that could’ve been improved... first off, Ulrich Von Hütten’s gun

[untold crater]

First off UvH

Not good in pvp

Algerie, even worse in pvp

JB can work but she misses 85% of the time

Sanrui and JdA are dated META

[somber monolith]

The only reason I had Algerié and Jeanne D’Arc is to stop New Jersey and Shimakaze, Jean Bart is just ehhh, I’d replace Saint Louis with Anchorage, Richelieu with a Carrier, Ulrich with Vanguard

[untold crater]

Alg will do nothing

Her torp shields are actually paper

You're in dire need of a Juneau

Well, looking at your level, it looks like you don't have much to work with

For now you'll want Juneau from 5-2 and a Hiryuu that drops in SP3 of this event

[candid sluice]

replace jb immediately

[untold crater]

Just to make sure you don't lose in an instant like you almost did there

JB is the least of his worries

Do you not see Algerie

[candid sluice]

no i didnt open the vid

[flat veldt]

That's not what I think it is, right?

[untold crater]

It is

Hiryuu META in pvp

[flat veldt]

No I'm talking about the BB gun

[candid sluice]

looks like the fleet i threw up while feeding your mini

[untold crater]

Oh my god

Is that the confetti gun

[flat veldt]

🎊

[untold crater]

monumental moment

[untold crater]

No VG?

[somber monolith]

Yes... at level 11, I forgot why it was on her, or why I still have it

[somber monolith]

I have vanguard

[untold crater]

Warspite?

[flat veldt]

You have a +11 confetti gun?

[candid sluice]

oh so thats why u use french

[somber monolith]

Yes

[candid sluice]

im sorry for your loss

[untold crater]

VG/Warspite/Percy

[flat veldt]

Good shit man

[untold crater]

Ancho when u get her, Juneau and a Helena/Yukikaze

[somber monolith]

Sure

[keen silo]

im amazed

[flat veldt]

Wow this spacing tho

@untold crater if only you could space like that in BH

[somber monolith]

She still had 200 EVA so... Mabye I would’ve gotten lucky? Though I had no gear on some ships so... this whole fleet was to test out how well Jeanne and Algeiré did agains New Jersey and Shimakaze...

[untold crater]

Good skills on paper

Clapped in real battle

[untold crater]

Frame perfect

[somber monolith]

Only result was Jeanne D’Arc stops New Jersey’s 10’s barrage, everything else was right, but worked horribly

[untold crater]

Yea you stopped her first barrage

But what was your plan when she fired?

Didn't think it that far through?

[somber monolith]

She doesn’t kill the fleet in a single shot, and the third shot would’ve not done any damage (Jeanne), there was also suppose to be Anchorage to stop preloaded carriers,

[untold crater]

anchorage doko

[somber monolith]

I planned to get her, but then the UR event came around and I had other priorities

[untold crater]

ah i see

[neon bronze]

that's the confetti gun's shelling?

[open moth]

do ship specific buffs (e.g. sirius' cv buff) persist after that ship dies?

[cinder wolf]

only few of them

[open moth]

do they specifically say they do or is it weird

[cinder wolf]

those who dont usually have "while this ship afloat" clause

[flat veldt]

Oh wait wrong server

[young storm]

is enterprise bad for defense fleet cuz the attacker can just reset the fight until you get bad rng?

[flat veldt]

Any defense fleet that forces your opponent to reset can be considered "good" in your favor

[untold crater]

Who's that

[flat veldt]

Problem is no one struggles against Enty anymore

[untold crater]

Defense doesn't matter, attacker has a 20% Damage reduction

[young storm]

so do pvp people just have a shit ton of good gear how do you guys manage to have enough gear to gear up your defense fleet while also playing the non-pvp stuff of the game?

[flat veldt]

I'm not a pvper but my pvp ships are perma geared with pvp equips

The only time I need to swap ships or gear is to do other LB game modes like CM/EX or meta fights

There isn't anything in the PvE side of the game that requires top notch gear

[candid sluice]

Only time I swap off pvp gears is when clearing arbiters and ex mode

[keen silo]

pve is easy enough to clear it without using many +13 gears

well ive already finished all other pve content ingame so it doesnt really matter

[oblique cobalt]

Also can use dupes for such things, thought most wouldn't go for it I guess
I've thought about raising some extras due to Showdowns/PvP/OpSi, though yet to find a way to dupe Hakuryuu heh

[calm mica]

Imagine finding arbiter hard enough to swap gears for

[candid sluice]

gotta swap off beaver nano to two fleet hard

[lapis cape]

it's a beehive shotgun, tbh its meant for anti personnel in reality its not meant for ships, and it is literally a confetti gun, more so like a pyrotechnics display said by the US Navy, rather than an effective AA battleship gun.
(btw mine's at level 12 and now i have a lil' bit of regret with that one)

i have just searched up San Shiki, that's the actual round used, and it says its for anti-aircraft...
And that name, mein gott, it reminded me of a player character what was it called.

[keen silo]

it’s shit

[keen obsidian]

it shoots up so probably will touch planes

[candid sluice]

it will do nothing

[late heath]

I don’t even swap when I clear those

[steel coral]

I don't even clear those

[candid sluice]

the real endgame goal

[somber monolith]

Not really, there’s no ship/fleet a carrier with quick takeoff can’t beat, Long Island, Bogue, Ranger, Casablanca, Chaser

[keen silo]

[cinder wolf]

assumming they survive till airstrike

[untold crater]

manjuu ranger

next shan tech

[candid sluice]

so u telling me ranger rerolling is the true endgame?

[somber monolith]

No, it’s just beginning to endgame... of course you need RNG, but definitely helps if you need to beat a boss for some reason

[candid sluice]

if anything it will be a hindrance to a boss fight

[somber monolith]

Definitely, but Long Island got me through most events when I was just starting, but it’s not practical now

[cinder wolf]

[candid sluice]

sure long island carried me thru early game pvp but it only took 10000 hours of resetting

[cinder wolf]

6x quick take off vs lucky e

[candid sluice]

i was using lucky e with quick takeoff

tap reset button too strong

[untold crater]

Lucky E only last 8s, doesn't matter if QT never stops proccing

[cinder wolf]

pretty sure it has hard cap

[untold crater]

Wait real?

Or u just unlucky

[cinder wolf]

cap

[untold crater]

cap at 1k AS?

[cinder wolf]

irrc 10

[untold crater]

Still outlast Lucky E

[cinder wolf]

10 qte like 5 secs,+travel time

still tanked

[untold crater]

🤔

They fire at the same time?

My ranger 22.5s and Enty like 21s

[cinder wolf]

rof depends on plane setup anyway

assuming they launch the same time

[untold crater]

well a double tenrai wyvern ranger always fire a bit later than sea hornet tenrai wyvern enty

[cinder wolf]

yeah maybe ranger winning with 0.00001% rate pulling perfect qto

assuming she didnt die from early lucky e

[rustic bridge]

So close

First mvp for vanguard

[untold crater]

far from the last

[rustic bridge]

Realy no chance of win all stronger as my fleet

[untold crater]

right most

[rustic bridge]

No chance 10/10 lose

[mellow charm]

[coral wren]

Nice oil son

[untold crater]

does not play the pve gamemode

[candid sluice]

updated the sheet with module slots for all current fleets and officially tiered a vanguard fleet

[lime folio]

[untold crater]

[rustic bridge]

I need Ur gears for pvp

[untold crater]

maybe if you used some of your 23k oil in banguard event to get 10k points..

[rustic bridge]

give as a Ur gear

[misty schooner]

anyone having a problem with bb wont shoot at enemy?

is this because cv stealth meter or

[sand cape]

yes

just like how stealth prevents your cvs from being shot at by enemies in campaign, in pvp if cv isn't revealed then it can't be shot at by bbs

[misty schooner]

i see. thanks

i got screw by META often that their shell will hit cv regardless of their stealth so it didn't cross my mind

[untold crater]

thats the issue with not having preload and not winning VG battle

cant reveal CV

but that should still be win no? she will die as soon as she reveals herself

[sand cape]

well assuming theres no vanguards on either side theres a chance aquila planes could kill NJ first unless NJ using manjuu

[light crystal]

Since when do CV's reveal themselves?

[untold crater]

no chance

[untold crater]

the bar goes up when they launch AS

[sand cape]

every time they launch, or they fire a timed barrage (ex. shinano), bar goes up

[untold crater]

aoste schizoposting as always

[light crystal]

Still likely to die anyway

[untold crater]

100% chance of death with NJ

[light crystal]

Unless he's a 4head Manjuu user

[untold crater]

AQL will never win that 1v1

[misty schooner]

yes she instantly died when she strike me

[light crystal]

Yes she will

[untold crater]

no

no plane can reach in time for NJ salvo + barrage

[light crystal]

🤔

[untold crater]

only hiryuu, and possibly shinano can survive that

oh, and enty

or, any USS with manjuu, i guess

[empty mesa]

Swordfish Aquila is a sure win.

[untold crater]

[cinder wolf]

the new planes good for pvp??

[untold crater]

We will see

[sleek heron]

definitely not what i expected out of a mafia mirror

in terms of last ship standing

[untold crater]

Anchorage is to be expected

[keen silo]

oh you’re sennzai

hello

[late heath]

manjuu NJ is love

manjuu anchorage is just bullying people who can't read

[dry socket]

anchorage can't read either

[untold crater]

ah

[novel depot]

Dumb question (and I'll most likely get someone who just has to pound me into the ground, since I'm just trash) but could I just remove gear from ALL characters, and start over?

[late heath]

That’s the joke

[untold crater]

no reason to but yea?

[novel depot]

I'm asking because I clearly am outdated to hell, and everything I have used is old

[untold crater]

No need to throw it out, just get new gear

[novel depot]

I've basically been inactive as of the last 5 or so events, in which I have just recently come back, and everything, all gear I have, is useless and old

[untold crater]

How do you plan on getting the new gear without the old gear?

[calm mica]

gear lab stuff from daily login

CosmicBrain

[novel depot]

No idea, doesn't really matter I just degrade myself because I am awful on the side of placement of formation ships, what gear to use, etc etc

[candid sluice]

Old equips aren’t necessarily all bad

[novel depot]

I'm stuck with a three year old brain on repeat that will never get better

Hell it's gotten to a point where my ships, have just random pieces, that don't even belong for it

[candid sluice]

That’s what we all have

[calm mica]

Sounds like you can turn the self-flagellation down a bit and just learn some organization skills

[novel depot]

I have never been good at that since I started this game

It's always, "throw random pieces together" and just see what sticks

Which pretty much in my case, whatever I put, is totally wrong

[candid sluice]

u can always ask ppl for help

[novel depot]

Believe me I've tried, but every time I've ever asked, I always find someone that just runs me into the ground

[uncut agate]

isn't there like 3-4 gear guides in bot command?

Guides won't bash you if you're so afraid of people bashing you

[novel depot]

I'm not really afraid, I just accept it cus I'm aware I'm awful at it

[candid sluice]

just ignore the ppl bashing u

theyre just looking for an ego boost

[novel depot]

You can think that works, in my reality it doesn't, so I don't even fight it, cus when it's starts, and I hit ignore, the messages from said person just keep coming

[candid sluice]

well whatever works for u i guess

[novel depot]

Why try and fight it, even if you do, it just continues

[untold crater]

What a positive attitude

I wonder what it's like inside your head

[keen silo]

just use the block button my guy

[novel depot]

My attitude died when my depression hit an all time low

[novel depot]

Emptiness and a constant reminder I will always be below average

[candid sluice]

i recommend staying off the internet if u got mental issues

[novel depot]

And that'll accomplish what exactly?

[candid sluice]

get away from the goobers talking shit to u

just play the game your way u dont gotta listen to what everyone else thinks

[uncut agate]

https://imgur.com/a/TNpH1rL
equipment guide for pve.
pins have some pvp fleets with pvp equipments on them.

[novel depot]

So then asking on the "advice" side of things for help, I shouldn't ask period to avoid getting buried, is that it?

[candid sluice]

thats not what i said

if you really think asking for advice only leads to ppl shit talking you then what can u do

and like cap said above u can always refer to guides

[novel depot]

It's been like that for me for a while

[candid sluice]

well i hope you get better soon

[novel depot]

That's a fantasy I will never achieve but thanks 👍

[uncut agate]

@novel depot

[novel depot]

I was looking at that, it just looks foreign to me

[novel depot]

I'm not knowledgeable on the information

[uncut agate]

..... that's why I gave it to you, so that you can learn what gears are good

[novel depot]

Most of the gears, and ships in that, I don't have, because I was inactive for a while

I was off of this for an entire year, so I missed a LOT of stuff

[uncut agate]

most of the gear is available through playing the game normally
research, gear lab (operation siren for material), tech boxes, shops
getting good gear takes time

[novel depot]

I know it takes time, I just have really bad RNG when it comes to getting the drops

[uncut agate]

I too have really bad rng, that's why I said it takes time

[keen silo]

yes you do

[ember kite]

Aren’t we all?

[novel depot]

I really want to just remove everything, and start over

[keen silo]

same

[novel depot]

If I had the space, I would take everything off, and go through the guide, but I don't have the space to do that

[keen silo]

sadge

[uncut agate]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/User:Thebombzen/Safe_To_Scrap_MK_II
guide on what gears to scrap

[candid sluice]

offtopic not pvp

[misty schooner]

hello, i remember you

[keen silo]

yo bro

i didnt know u were in discord

[misty schooner]

i'm only lurker here

[keen silo]

[candid sluice]

guys is le indomitable good in pvp???

[late heath]

[cinder wolf]

indo enables jerbus??

[sterile bobcat]

idk if anyone brought this up yet, but how are y'all feeling about the new shell on vanguard?

[untold crater]

good

[sterile bobcat]

better than hpfcr+beaver?

assuming I replace beaver

[untold crater]

i already run WS on VG so its a swap for me

[candid sluice]

if u can stick beaver on another ship its better

[distant trail]

Using this team. Any suggestions

Vanguard

[candid sluice]

too much preload in backline

put shimakaze in middle position

theres no need for anti sub equipment in pvp

[distant trail]

Main

[distant trail]

Will do....

[candid sluice]

use sea hornet over rocket plane on persussy

what other ships do u have atm

[distant trail]

Good backline ships

CVs - Enty, Essex, Tico, Shokek, Hiryu
BBs - FDG, Vanguard, UvH, Monarch, Howe, Warspite

[keen silo]

are you mrblu

[candid sluice]

use vanguard over unicron

[steel coral]

but uni>perseus

[candid sluice]

you are in the pvp channel not gameplayhelp

[steel coral]

applies to both

[keen silo]

damn. the irony

[steel coral]

true

[candid sluice]

lol whos that

[light crystal]

A Runescape Chad.

[cinder wolf]

[rich shale]

Bruh lmao

[pulsar goblet]

🥖

[untold crater]

kaine fleet

[brazen elk]

It's so nice seeing NJ pasta teams one after another

Always fun

[untold crater]

fun to delete them in 30s

instead of needing to wait 45-60s to win

[candid sluice]

Always fun to get a free win yea

[trail temple]

Know what else is a free win? Running into Manjuu NJ

Well, some of the better PvPers are inclined to think that way

[cinder wolf]

https://i.imgur.com/CY7MXuw.mp4

damn embed fail

[untold crater]

[coral wren]

What tier are the new ships?

[untold crater]

only time will tell

[calm mica]

2 NJs walk into a bar. One dies of alcohol poisoning, the other dies of alcohol poisoning 8 seconds later

[untold crater]

shimakaze was the bartender

gave them an english cocktail

[jovial sparrow]

Ayo it’s Bean Jart

[keen silo]

imagine not using manjuu nj

[hallow rover]

how to manual pvp

[keen silo]

try installing counterside

[light crystal]

And play nothing but Strategy ||Until the update that makes it Manual ||

[whole salmon]

A lot of Vanguard fleets spotted on Lexington

Although with a lot of questionable variantions

[calm mica]

Lexi is the pinnacle of free wins

[keen silo]

true!

5 good defense fleets in the server

[untold crater]

Have NJ WK Hiryuu and NJ Impero Indep users on amagi

[keen silo]

gensui time

start rushing guys

[winged depot]

I always rush

[calm mica]

I'm not Russian

[trail temple]

I did hear that a lot of the vanguard fleets (possibly all) on lexy weren't great

[steel coral]

Don't give away my secrets

[keen silo]

hey guys, am i getting my sandbagging right?

i’m on the china server btw as you can see from my ship names /s

[trail temple]

https://tenor.com/view/cant-read-read-reading-notes-small-gif-5671666

[keen silo]

ok, you’re literally Asian

[candid sluice]

racis

[coral wren]

Jofre is tier 3

And the DD is tier 2

Jervis is better

[keen silo]

@flint python is this guy ur twin wtf

[flint python]

who

that

amogus

[keen silo]

sussy bakana

[rocky shadow]

Any other recommended fleet beside tea time terror?

In my server (Sandy) that fleet feel underpowered now

Juneau died too fast

[untold crater]

Don't use Juneau

Noshiro/duca are better

[keen silo]

is your gear set up correctly?

[rocky shadow]

Yup

[keen silo]

alright

[rocky shadow]

Somehow Vanguard lose effective since 1 week ago (based on my attack dan trial)

[keen silo]

can you send the fleets you are fighting?

[keen silo]

[rocky shadow]

Sometimes i struggle to similiar fleet

Maybe a bad one

[candid sluice]

seems kinda weak fleet judging by fleet power

is your fleet lacking levels or equipment

[rocky shadow]

Well i don't have NJ

[candid sluice]

i see

[keen silo]

but other fleets do work fine

[keen silo]

oh

put anchorage as main tank and juneau as off tank

[rocky shadow]

Actually some pasta fleet not hard to beat

[candid sluice]

peep the equips

[keen silo]

your juneau dies so quickly because you let her tank

[rocky shadow]

But some pasta fleet so tanky

[candid sluice]

u should always line up warkai against enemy nj

[keen silo]

you should try reordering your positions based on the fleet you are fighting such that your warspite always snipes NJ

[rocky shadow]

Well i try but NJ seems too tanky

Usually i snipe at aquila

[candid sluice]

how are u sniping at aquila

[rocky shadow]

Oh btw that NJ use manjuu aux

[untold crater]

Percy...

[rocky shadow]

Other than this fleet

[untold crater]

That's how..

[keen silo]

Persus reveals

[candid sluice]

aquila is flag

nj is bottom

[keen silo]

he means vv flag or nj flag prob

[candid sluice]

unless warkai is idiot she should hit nj

[untold crater]

"usually"

[rocky shadow]

Not this one but some pasta fleet that put Aquila to side

[candid sluice]

you have a defective warkai or something

return her to the factory

[rocky shadow]

Maybe

[candid sluice]

are they using nj flag in that fleet

[untold crater]

Nah Warkai struggles to snipe NJ

[rocky shadow]

Yes

[candid sluice]

thats kinda goofy but thats also the problem

might not wanna use percy in those cases then

[rocky shadow]

Full BB?

[untold crater]

Hiryuu or another BB

[keen silo]

hiryuu

i would just use hiryuu over perseus in all cases

she is just

better.

[candid sluice]

yea use the hiryu

[rocky shadow]

I want to know, what make NJ fleet so hard

[keen silo]

NJ is good

unreasonably so

[candid sluice]

nj is just a strong ship

big buff big barrage big damage

[keen silo]

also reduces dmg taken for ancho

[rocky shadow]

I Will try later

[candid sluice]

best of luck

[rocky shadow]

I know, i have read NJ skill

[candid sluice]

read her stats too

[rocky shadow]

Very high FP

[rocky shadow]

Any recommended gear?

For hiryuu

[candid sluice]

check pin has it

[rocky shadow]

Ok

[candid sluice]

not even +11 scepter smh

[keen silo]

smh

im poor

[candid sluice]

are u even taking this game seriously

[rocky shadow]

Is this recently added?

[candid sluice]

its exactly the one in the pins

[keen silo]

im a rusher now

#retired

[rocky shadow]

I check last time when i use tea time terror that fleet not added

[candid sluice]

bcus teatime terror is a funni full briish fleet

theres one below it called sniper with hiryu

[keen silo]

you should look at the Sniper team

[rocky shadow]

I already see, seems better than tea time terror

[keen silo]

it is