pvp

[untold crater]

she drops 3-3

[keen silo]

ccan farm her at sp3 in current event

[untold crater]

or 3-2

[keen silo]

[untold crater]

this actually

[daring burrow]

But what can I use to cope until I raise her up?

[keen silo]

idk actually

maybe unikai vg warkai

[untold crater]

same backline

nvm use unikai over riche didnt see

your issue is frontline

[daring burrow]

and for the front?

[untold crater]

try Saint Louis(PR)/Suzutsuki/Noshiro

[daring burrow]

Indeed, I'm raising agir but still dev 7 and level 90

[untold crater]

but thats temporary

you will want anchorage from pr4 for pvp and juneau drops in 5-2

those 2 ships can help a lot

[daring burrow]

can agir kinda sub for Anchorage? she's very low priority for me, especially with pr5 on the way

[untold crater]

nothing can sub anchorage

[daring burrow]

Noted for Juneau

[untold crater]

she is immortal to all preload in pvp

in fact, can beat top fleets using solo anchorage in VG

[daring burrow]

balance doko

[untold crater]

she will be more balanced when pr5 comes with pr4 fate sim

[daring burrow]

If Anchorage is so good why wouldn't be there Anchorage 2.0 in pr5

[untold crater]

because anchorage 2 comes with pr5

the fate sim

[daring burrow]

That's fine I'll max dev with coins in 2026

[untold crater]

just takes 1 month to max her

[daring burrow]

My current PR priority is Agir > AvP but I can get her afterwards

Well after AvP anyway, since DR is separate

[untold crater]

kms player?

what you mean priority btw

[daring burrow]

not really just my favorites there

[daring burrow]

choose with event BP

[untold crater]

unlock or print?

[daring burrow]

print

[untold crater]

oh, recommed ignoring all pr prints personally

just do dr only and will end up with too many prs

[daring burrow]

is what I do for research, but I meant the ones we buy from shops and events

[untold crater]

speaking from personal experience

ahh okay yeah

[daring burrow]

Also I'm in the minority who isn't really interested in eventually raising/maxing everyone all or 100% collection

[untold crater]

just collecting your waifus?

[daring burrow]

so if if there was an sr in pr5 that I really like I'd choose her instead of Dr even if not very effectient

[daring burrow]

[candid sluice]

play the game however you like we can only give u advice

[untold crater]

fair enough, each player has their own way of playing

[daring burrow]

Obviously. we just chatting right now but I can understand if not the place

[untold crater]

think thats it for pvp advice, you will eventually make a fleet thats like VG/Shinano/Hiryuu/Ancho/noshiro/juneau

[daring burrow]

Noted, thanks a lot

[untold crater]

[candid sluice]

we dont care but the mods might get angry

[daring burrow]

Mods It's all necessary information for the ultimate pvp cope strategy

[untold crater]

real

[candid sluice]

of course discussing pr ships is part of pvp talk

just dont bring up the P or D word

[untold crater]

or the V word

[daring burrow]

Im not sure I know these words

[untold crater]

good

[candid sluice]

better if you dont know them

[daring burrow]

[keen silo]

its good to not know those words

as a wise man once said

ignorance is bliss

[untold crater]

as a wiser man once said, "envy overcapped lmao"

[uncut agate]

lmao

[keen silo]

doing mk dirty

I see how it is

are these mk hours

[untold crater]

each server has their own mk

[uncut agate]

this fleet is slowly getting popular i see

[untold crater]

you doing him the dirtiest

[candid sluice]

our mk is unultra

[untold crater]

sanry mk is latias

wonder who washy/avrora is

[keen silo]

ye everyone is using it since the hardbaggers all swapped @uncut agate

kinda aids ngl

idt they can copy gear so its whatever

[untold crater]

maybe kenny for avrora? 🤔

[keen silo]

washy is aoste

[candid sluice]

soa

kenny has been ostracized

[uncut agate]

I like it, plasma's was the only that made me reset kek

[keen silo]

I reset vs all 3 already

fml

[untold crater]

ijn is shambles

[candid sluice]

noshiro good??

[keen silo]

Ok simplord

[untold crater]

possibly juneau is better

or just enabler

ask the right person

[keen silo]

… aoste

sadge

[candid sluice]

everyone knows that fleets using juneau are suck

she just enables them to be good

[untold crater]

true and real and schizo-pilled take as always aoste the great

[candid sluice]

that red pill he took the other day really hitting hard

[keen silo]

he’s right tho

juneau bad, ym good

[candid sluice]

just use jarbus in your fleet

enables you to lose every single time

[keen silo]

[flint python]

can we pin this

[untold crater]

pinned

... aoste

oh nvm

wrong server

[keen silo]

… aoste

[candid sluice]

;pace 9 2012

oh wait

[keen silo]

omegalul

[flint python]

pvp channel without pvp bot

[untold crater]

pvp

[keen silo]

pvp ded pls rework

[cinder wolf]

dr aoste enabling you to pvp

[rustic bridge]

Vanq or washi

[candid sluice]

u tell me man

vg ofc

[rustic bridge]

What is ofc

[candid sluice]

of cours

[mellow charm]

e

[rustic bridge]

I hope this is enought

[candid sluice]

my brother in christ

get better equips

[rustic bridge]

is my best hms gear

[flint python]

salty to salty advice

[candid sluice]

bro u just need one hms equip not all of it hms

[keen silo]

[rustic bridge]

Mornach gun better

[rustic bridge]

Impossible enty to kill

[calm mica]

smh equips

[plucky pawn]

use the eyeglass aux

[keen silo]

[light crystal]

[exotic badger]

Is it better to use converging torps like ryusei in pvp?

I mainly use pvp to farm xp so I want to be efficient with farming cvs (dmg and mvp), if possible.

[untold crater]

no

they miss all torps

90% of the time

[exotic badger]

Oh then barracuda?

[untold crater]

wyvern

barracuda is 2nd best

[exotic badger]

Ah right but a bit expensive haha

[untold crater]

if pvp isn't a focus for you, you can simply use barracuda

[exotic badger]

Ok thx

[untold crater]

[sour oasis]

Oh dang, Avrora is filled with more people thirsty for AotN on day 1.

[untold crater]

[river marsh]

still hit aotn

despite overcapping 7 battles

[keen silo]

[candid sluice]

ggs

[untold crater]

wonder when you will join us in the EoS endeavors

[river marsh]

when i stop overcapping

[untold crater]

see you next season

[candid sluice]

updated the sheet with more Vanguard fleets and swapped out hpfcrs for rainbow gaming table aux

[untold crater]

[naive dome]

I mean, i'm not afraid of meta defense fleet without juneau

[candid sluice]

it was a joke

[light crystal]

Reliance on Juneau is a sign that you need her to make the fleet work. Which is OK, you use what you've got

[keen silo]

@untold crater UNREAL

[untold crater]

not unhinged

[light crystal]

Can one make Weeb work without the Juneau? Asking for a friend

[untold crater]

brooo 😭

can u make any fleet without NJ? 😭
if not does that mean she's an enabler? 😭

you cannot be a real person i'm sorry 😭

[trail temple]

The level of Aoste shitposting is definitely unreal

[candid sluice]

mods can we please ban this troll from this channel

[cinder wolf]

weeb is stall by nature ofc juneau is first pick

[light crystal]

You use NJ because DPS. Juneau because it's difficult countering AQL preload otherwise. Different applications

[untold crater]

WHAT?? 😭

[candid sluice]

this person is a known troll in the community and posts nothing but straight shit takes

please remove them from this channel

[light crystal]

Well, Juneau is also used in Stall fleets for similar reasons tbf

[neon bronze]

? what kind of drama am i reading rn

[royal beacon]

the funny

[untold crater]

not even drama, just straight up off the meds

[neon bronze]

wait sorry for that random gif

[candid sluice]

dont pay any attention to the delusional guy

[royal beacon]

no way

meme in #pvp

[neon bronze]

sorry for that

[light crystal]

No real drama I think

[untold crater]

so you're saying without NJ you lack the DPS? doesn't that mean NJ enables your fleet to do enough damage?

what kind of backwards logic is that

[candid sluice]

nj just enables a flawed fleet to be good

are you an idiot or smth yukana

[untold crater]

thats what im saying

every ship is an enabler.

with 0 ships you can win in pvp

😭

[candid sluice]

also anchorage enables your flawed vanguard to be tanky

and shimakaze enables your vanguard to do damage

[untold crater]

like why bring up enabling like its exclusive to juneau? 😭

[cinder wolf]

aoste dunno what the differences between core, enabler, and staple

[light crystal]

Ok guys calm down, you're gonna scare some folks by trying to stretch the shittalking in here lol

[untold crater]

?

it was srs question

[candid sluice]

youre the one doing shittalk

[light crystal]

There's a guy thinking there's drama already

[candid sluice]

more like shitposting but same thing

[untold crater]

dont back out now aoste

answer

😭

[candid sluice]

dont u know already yukana

[keen silo]

aoste shit talking ijn users and anything that isnt mafia and wants to say others r shit talking

[candid sluice]

he doesnt respond when called out for his bullshit

[untold crater]

please bro the reset is in 14 mins, i need to enable a win for my fleet

[keen silo]

i am confused

[light crystal]

I mean you're the one posting the same emoji and wanting to draw a response of some sort so I'm not sure

[neon bronze]

wonder if some ppl here can win with only using elite rarity and below compared to the meta comps

[candid sluice]

and youre the one posting shit takes looking to get a response from the rest of us

[untold crater]

<yes ofc i want a response, i posed a question, hellloooo?? 😭

[keen silo]

yes probably if you count elite retrofits

[light crystal]

Pretty sure it's the other way around at this point

[untold crater]

you should need to pass a mental wellness check before typing bro idk whats going on there 😭

[candid sluice]

why dont you enable some braincells and realize that your takes are shit

[keen silo]

we gotta make in time for the reset @untold crater

[neon bronze]

i thought you were great

now what

[keen silo]

5 more minutes of roasting

[untold crater]

enable me

[royal beacon]

🍿

[light crystal]

All I have said is I don't like using Juneau, and you want to make it into a bigger topic tbf

[candid sluice]

lmao thats not what you said

[untold crater]

real

you view is clearly in line with everyone else's reality

not off your rocker

[candid sluice]

if youre gonna deliberately spread shit takes like that theres nothing here for you

[keen silo]

what was clearly said was “Truth moment: Juneau is an enabler that allows a shitty/imperfect fleet to work. A true performing fleet does not require her services”

[untold crater]

the only example in the history of AL is literally mafia like?? 😭

[candid sluice]

everyone in other serves know that youre a troll, so now you come to the official server to spread your bullshit?

kinda low

[keen silo]

however one can argue that juneau in this meta is one of the 3-4 best vanguard ship as she has always been

[untold crater]

juneau is so versatile

[keen silo]

and that opinion is validated in

1. eos rankings
2. statistics
3. defense fleet performance
4. opinions of other players

[untold crater]

can be used in almost any fleet

[cinder wolf]

why argue with someone who unironically use juneau in meta fight

[candid sluice]

opinions of sane players*

[untold crater]

[tall nimbus]

people use juneau in meta fights?

[candid sluice]

this genius does

[untold crater]

yeah she enables

[candid sluice]

enables him to get 1.4mil dmg it seems

[untold crater]

in 2 tries

[keen silo]

[cinder wolf]

700k each

[keen silo]

rumi with quick maths

[light crystal]

I tried it for testing, using Shima was better

[candid sluice]

damn who wouldve thought

[cinder wolf]

quyet lvl of tech unit

try use bristol as well

[candid sluice]

maybe jarbus will help

[fossil vine]

My first aotn

[untold crater]

The first of many

[candid sluice]

nice one

[keen silo]

grats man

[fossil vine]

No NJ, no shima, no italians. Just had to reset and pray to rng xD

[fresh harness]

Al pvp best pvp

[untold crater]

Wew a skill player huh

[candid sluice]

are u a helena enjoyer

[fossil vine]

I still lost about 4 matches and overcapped not sure how many

Nah I use warkai/chise/ulrich kron/?/rikka

Let me check what's in the middle

I don't even have an anchorage yet, but building her up now

[candid sluice]

warkai chise is already a solid core

[fossil vine]

yea

[candid sluice]

close to teatime terrors fleet

[fossil vine]

yeaw I have vanguard, leveling her atm

[candid sluice]

did u pull vanguard

yea there u go

solid backline already

[fossil vine]

I see the teatime in the sheet has shima, so I'm wondering what to put in for her

oh I have sandy in the middle atm

[trail temple]

It's not in the pins yet, but if you lack shima, can always use ykkz

[untold crater]

Helena the real enabler

[fossil vine]

ykkz is that yuudachi?

[untold crater]

Yukikaze

Lucky ship

[fossil vine]

I don't have her yet 😮

[untold crater]

27 min timer in light construction

[fossil vine]

I do the light one each day when event isn't on so should just be a matter of time

[untold crater]

Mhm

Yuudachi can also be used but to less success

[fossil vine]

yea I don't have her either, or her retro item

I started in November

ykkz will be my best bet once I get her

[untold crater]

[trail temple]

Did you use your summer invite yet?

Ykkz was available on that invite list

[fossil vine]

I think I picked Le Malin

[trail temple]

[fossil vine]

It's all good, this works enough for now. I originally just wanted more merit points but realised I was able to hit aotn so eh xD

[keen silo]

just use jervis

as aoste would say

[cinder wolf]

dont have nj,aquila,shima?
dworry, just use any ships + juneau cus she will enable them

[keen silo]

[hasty nova]

[honest moon]

idk mate. that comp can be cucked by one dum blonde called anchorage

what be best pvp backline killers (sans retrospite?)

[keen silo]

shinano

[honest moon]

waits forever for shinano rerun

aside from her

[cinder wolf]

[honest moon]

anchorage essentially nerfs preloads with hide n seek

[cinder wolf]

[calm mica]

Any ship you see pinned would work well

[flat veldt]

[royal beacon]

not even 125 bulins

[flat veldt]

Couldn't get AotN last reset cauz I got walled out by 17k defense fleets

[royal beacon]

smh

[flat veldt]

Refreshing to see a change for once

[honest moon]

give this guy a medal lmao

[untold crater]

Medal of Honor

[untold crater]

Bro the Chadmiral of the Navy

[trail temple]

Amagi fleets be tough man, I think I'm on my way to hit a PB on my alt

[keen silo]

my pb is 1.5k

[flat veldt]

What's your PB for this season?

[keen silo]

69

[sour oasis]

Defense fleets go up to 17k? From modules?

[untold crater]

some even 18k

but yeah modules/new UR aux

[sleek heron]

if i'm aiming for the aotn merit bonus and dont care about EoS score, i usually dont mind fighting the 2nd or even 3rd slot and eat the -1/-2 penalty

it's all about dumping all the fights asap

[light crystal]

I overcapped 5 or so battles, just managed to get AOTN while at 4/10. It's not too hard if you do it on Saturday

[cinder wolf]

[sleek heron]

i dont usually need to rush unless it's like last season where i lost like 5 fights cuz i wasn't paying attention

2 of those were early in the season that i prob lost a combined 60+ points due to it

[calm mica]

Sounds like someone could have been rank 1

[untold crater]

you understand the way this works is the exact opposite, right

[calm mica]

Yukana, this is EN

People don't read the in-game pvp rules let alone understand them

[untold crater]

i know

just hard to believe some people actually think 5 exer lost will result in 60 pts voided

[calm mica]

But to put it simply, if you overcap an exercise up here, you don't lose 25 points, because you're still in that rank, your next exercise still has that base score of 25. That one uncapped exercise is equivalent to losing one down there, where the base score is 10. In fact it's more beneficial to lose it up top because whoever moves for you will be getting high base score to min diff ratio, in other words, more bonus points.

[untold crater]

this, but also the earlier you overcap, the bigger the score difference, causing you to also get more bonuses along the way

[cinder wolf]

but, early season gives 25, thats more than 10

howww

[untold crater]

[untold crater]

but hiei buffs fleet, use in EX mode

[calm mica]

Through the magic of perseus

[cinder wolf]

so, i could hv been rank 1?

[calm mica]

Exactly

[untold crater]

can still, never give up hope

[sleek heron]

i know how points work, but i dont have the time to sandbag to cover the loss

so effectively it becomes points voided

[untold crater]

can't get through to some people

[calm mica]

[untold crater]

the only time your points are voided is overcapping on the last set of the season

[calm mica]

The point is an overcapped exercise will never cost you more than 10 points unless you don't get to 1050 season points

[sleek heron]

yeah towards the end of the season those basically becomes -10 for each loss

[untold crater]

less

but the closer you overcap towards the end of the season, the closer it is to 10

[flat veldt]

Latias 2.0?

[untold crater]

never more than 10 tho

[sleek heron]

i've had cases where i lost 5 and couldn't get the aotn boost b/c i couldn't reach top 10 in the season

i'm not going to ever overcap after 5 losses tho

[untold crater]

thats skill issue

can get aotn with even like 15 overcapped

[flat veldt]

You can even get EoS AotN with 5 losses

[sleek heron]

not when you're like me and only devote about 20 minutes everyday for all 15 fights

[untold crater]

🤔

maybe not

[sleek heron]

i just log in about 10mins before refresh and burn the fights and call it a day, so every loss makes getting aotn bonus way harder

[keen silo]

that sounds like a light bagger

[untold crater]

rusher

[royal beacon]

What aotn?
Admiral of the navy?

[keen silo]

yea

[untold crater]

aoste of the navy

[cinder wolf]

[steel coral]

Aoste overcapping through napping

[cinder wolf]

aotn

aoste of the napping

[sleek heron]

delete aoste from lore, why is a filthy male in my waifu collection game

[light crystal]

To NTR Rianda, ofc.

[untold crater]

Rianda

[heavy seal]

Dont worry, he is into sirens.
Btw does those new weapon modules usefull in pvp? I saw once team with it and then vanguard fleet started to move with insane speed despite there was Agir in it aka the slowest thing; and i didnt see modules that boost speed. Or pvp has another bonuses for modules?

[untold crater]

no speed

but they do help quite a bit

pinned pvp tierlist has a section on the augments

[candid sluice]

check the pin s

[heavy seal]

I just wondered how vanguard with CB in it could move with a speed of full dd fleet after doing slash module attack. Thats some mystery

[cinder wolf]

badge,boiler,gyros

[untold crater]

shimakaze

[heavy seal]

I mean i use CB with DDs in pvp too but that speed was ridiculous and only happened after slash attack. That made me think if modules have hidden bonus or what

[cinder wolf]

sikrit tech

[candid sluice]

maybe someone died and lightened the load

[heavy seal]

Never expected to see Agir flying on the map with supersonic speed.

[candid sluice]

or ure internet lagged

[heavy seal]

Agir died from ramming my BBs

[cinder wolf]

probably fps drop

trying to resync

makes sense if ur phone/emu cant load the slash animation properly

[heavy seal]

I would think so too and thats why was replaying battle several times with same result. And since i farm pvp currency i just fight weakest opponents, and this one was only time when i saw modules in pvp. But if modules dont have such weird bonuses - it was smth else.

[cinder wolf]

any chance theyre using lvl 3 slash which have the biggest animation.

[naive dome]

this fleet is surprisingly hard against my NJ Shinryuu fleet, at least harder than your typical Italian NJ fleet. Anyone knows why ?

[stray oxide]

and your fleet?

i mean its gear

comp

[naive dome]

NJ Shin Hiryuu Anchor Shima Jun

[stray oxide]

hiryu retro right?

what's your fp for main?

[naive dome]

yeah

[untold crater]

because triple bb kills your nj and basically you need to pray shinano dps clutches it out

[dapper patio]

[keen silo]

actually i never had an issue vs that time

so idk

[untold crater]

most likely gear gapped

[keen silo]

eh, prob

or maybe he using ryuuseis

[untold crater]

no bc he said he can beat "your typical italian fleet"

[stray oxide]

how ? they 're all BB .__.

[naive dome]

I mean,I can beat the typical italian fleet after 1 reset. This fleet feels more consistent

[keen silo]

no i mean the ara guy

[stray oxide]

what do you go for?

[naive dome]

let me boot up my emulator to get the gear

[dapper patio]

seydlitz seems like a dmg receiver like manjuu?

haven't check the latest pvp build for awhile..

[stray oxide]

i think i see more and more people using Vanguard for pvp

[keen silo]

cuz shes good

[stray oxide]

ofc

and that's good

[untold crater]

her dmg buff is quite good

[dapper patio]

since the new weapon feature update, seems like the pvp build had a new change..

[stray oxide]

if we take typical NJ + italian fleet and we replace aquila for Vanguard, I'm curious how it would go

[keen silo]

u mean vittorio?

[stray oxide]

no, why?

[candid sluice]

Vitorio is the most replaceable

[keen silo]

lul

[candid sluice]

There are ppl testing that fleet already and it seems promising

[stray oxide]

then she wouldn't procc with duca

.___.

[keen silo]

duca isnt even used

[dapper patio]

i saw an old build is popping up to T0

[stray oxide]

that's why i said typical italian fleet

[keen silo]

in the vanguard fleet that is

[stray oxide]

?????

[keen silo]

[dapper patio]

VV, jersey, Aquila, Anchor, Shima and Duca

[keen silo]

duca isnt used if u take out vv for vanguard

[candid sluice]

No point in running vitorio if you’re gonna take out aquila

[untold crater]

what

salty you are high

[stray oxide]

that's just for the first salvo of VV

[untold crater]

no point in using duca if you're taking out VV

[stray oxide]

it wouldn't matter that much

[candid sluice]

Same point

[stray oxide]

TRUE

[candid sluice]

Not gonna be using vitorio if no italian

[keen silo]

thats what we have been saying

[untold crater]

the fleet is NJ/VG/AQL/Ancho/Shima and then either Juneau/Noshiro

[candid sluice]

He wants to take out Aquila for vg

[naive dome]

https://imgur.com/a/7la0W7t

that's my gear

[keen silo]

loooool

those torps

[candid sluice]

What’s with the torps

[keen silo]

use teatorps man

[candid sluice]

Juneau don’t use blacktorp

[keen silo]

follow the guide in the pins

this is an unironic "check the pins" moment

[candid sluice]

There’s no equip guide yet tho

[keen silo]

its the comp guide

[candid sluice]

Only for module

[keen silo]

in the list

he using weeb

[candid sluice]

Sure just copy paste the build then

[dapper patio]

that build...

[untold crater]

wew i didnt even click the link and got a jumpscare

[keen silo]

LMAO

unreal

[uncut agate]

[stray oxide]

No pearl tears?

[dapper patio]

jumpscare? how LOL

[keen silo]

pearl is on shimakaze

[naive dome]

on my shim

[keen silo]

is there an en emoji with pictures instead of words

[candid sluice]

Anw please take off those torps and blacktorp off of jun

Give her teatorps/quints and gyros

[naive dome]

i mean jun shouldn't matter too much, right? She's just there to die

[stray oxide]

i would replace main gun tho, torp also

[keen silo]

why replace main gun? that gun is good

[candid sluice]

The aux is def important

[keen silo]

lul

[untold crater]

[candid sluice]

Need to stack speed

And her aa shouldn’t be ignored

[untold crater]

guys

[dapper patio]

but you cant let her die too fast lol

[untold crater]

aoste was right

enabler

[keen silo]

this is unreal man

[candid sluice]

Enable deez nuts

[keen silo]

are we seeing the vindication?

[untold crater]

aoste was right all along

[stray oxide]

if he got the resources why not? good =/= best

[keen silo]

by good i mean best in slot

[keen silo]

no memes in #pvp

[candid sluice]

That was a suggestion not a meme

[naive dome]

what do I replace with ?

[keen silo]

[candid sluice]

Duck gun

[naive dome]

and what torp ?

[keen silo]

magnetic quint

[candid sluice]

Either tea or mags

[keen silo]

magnetic quint + 2x gyroscope/boiler if ur juneau is underleveled

don't want her to pop too early as well

[naive dome]

so the rest is okay other than jun ?

[stray oxide]

mags 4, or tea

i'd go for tea

[candid sluice]

Exactly what I said

Wait there was more than one pic

[naive dome]

wait what is teatorp?

I linked an album for all the ships

[stray oxide]

but mags quad not quint

[keen silo]

bruh salty it was an imgur

[candid sluice]

Rainbow quint

[stray oxide]

[keen silo]

rainbow quitn is just better in pvp

[stray oxide]

if you got the chance to have more than 1

[candid sluice]

It’s one extra torp with no drawback

[stray oxide]

[keen silo]

idk buddy i have like 4

ez to get prints

[candid sluice]

I’m assuming u have access to all equips

[stray oxide]

i just have 2

[keen silo]

thats fine

just use 1 on shima 1 on jun

[stray oxide]

1 shima 1 duca

[keen silo]

that works too if u use mafia

[stray oxide]

[naive dome]

uh guys i still can't figure what teatorps is

[keen silo]

british quints in gearlab

the shit that drops in a conga line

[naive dome]

got it

so anything else wrong with the rest of the ships ?

[keen silo]

use 2x wyverns on shinano

[dapper patio]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516951413411020819/947046362111967242/Screenshot_2022-02-26-16-23-28-475_com.android.chrome.png

my build for last time

[keen silo]

copying china is funny

[dapper patio]

why funny lol

[keen silo]

because its cn

they recommend swordfish aquila

[flat veldt]

use the IJN comp in the pins, it's much better than the CN one you posted

[dapper patio]

for speed down?

[uncut agate]

Yes, so that everything hits the Anchorage smokescreen

vanguard can't even move out of the smokescreen

[keen silo]

[dapper patio]

ok, i will check

[stray oxide]

yeah, that's a big NO

[keen silo]

what’s the no there? want to see what u say

[untold crater]

🐑 check

[keen silo]

true

check indeed

[stray oxide]

the aux on shinano
beaver on NJ

[keen silo]

LOOOOOOOOOL

@untold crater UNREAL

🐑

[untold crater]

be nice bro

[keen silo]

o shit

those arent the problems

to say the least

[untold crater]

not completely wrong, but theres much worse with the fleet

[stray oxide]

the torps

but that can be also for those who lack torps idk, it can be comprehensible

i can maybe i can get why it chose those

but why beaver on bb?

what's the point?

[untold crater]

that gun on nj... i use it on my TW ALT...
suisei for timing, this isnt pve...
torp bulge on ancho instead of rudder, big mistake, pearl + black torp on shima... you need to pick either dps or hp, not an inbetween.
Juneau will want the pearls tbh over shima anyways, better for dps build on shima at that point
the rest, can use but would never personally

[untold crater]

i use beaver on VV for mafia, for 3 reasons:

1. she dies very early, EVA extends her survivability
2. the speed gained for VG
3. dont have to use it on anchorage at that point, so can use rudder+manjuu, rudder over beaver because +3 EVA and invincibility skill at 20s.

but honestly for IJN comp, maybe its better to use beaver/manjuu on anchorage and table/WS on NJ.

[stray oxide]

manjuu in ancho

if you wanted EVA for bb there's this little thing:

[untold crater]

prefer it on anchorage

so she stack 3 skills

20% speed, invincibility at 20s, 8s invincibility upon sinking.

[keen silo]

[stray oxide]

you mean beaver and manjuu in ancho?

[untold crater]

sec

[keen silo]

rudder and manjuu

[untold crater]

rudder + manjuu, then beaver on backline.

[keen silo]

oh btw about pearl + blacktorp not much choice tbh lol, cuz nowhere else to go pearl on

[keen silo]

usually u overheal if its on jun and ancho is almost always last one alive

[untold crater]

whole fleet +20% speed

[keen silo]

thats also why i prefer quint mag in weeb

thats my experience at least, idk how it would chance with better geared teams

my gear mostly +10 except plane

[untold crater]

quint on weeb is good

more defensive build

consistent

doesnt rely on snipe rng

[keen silo]

yeh

consistency is key with weeb imo, cuz matches r slower and if u lowroll u waste too much time

[stray oxide]

why not in juneau? as it used to be

[keen silo]

35% heal is kind of a lot

if u use that fleet u will know thay juneau overheals very often if u run pearl

[stray oxide]

that's her purpose isn't it?

[keen silo]

[stray oxide]

to die and heal

[untold crater]

imagine you heal 35% to a fleet that only took 27% dmg, 8% wasted heal

[keen silo]

tbh, juneau also dies much slower with that pearl

which isnt rly a good thing

[untold crater]

better to spread out with 2 seperate heals.

[stray oxide]

hmmmm

[untold crater]

use a full 35% heal on anchorage

[stray oxide]

well idk i never used juneau in pvp

[cinder wolf]

juneau + pearl is 2018 tech

[stray oxide]

[keen silo]

imagine ur anchorage take 10% dmg

and ur juneau dies

[cinder wolf]

yet you have strong opinion about it

[keen silo]

u waste 15% heal without pearl but 25% with pearls

[untold crater]

then torp memes came and 35% heal wasted at 3s

[stray oxide]

it's just what i remembered to see on fleet comp 2 years ago

idk idc

[keen silo]

2 year ago meta is very very different

[cinder wolf]

u just proved my point

[keen silo]

[cinder wolf]

[stray oxide]

like i said, never used juneau, not even in pve

[untold crater]

2y ago none of the current meta ships were being used

were even out*

[cinder wolf]

you should, she enables bad fleet according to dalao here

[keen silo]

[cinder wolf]

2 year ago when first 20 secs is just vanguard pea shooting each other

[keen silo]

also i forgot to explain the hit aux on shinano

shinano has godawful low hit (iirc like in the 80s) so she can miss vanguard on the nuke, hit aux just gives consistency. also it has eva to increase tankiness before the mega deathball at 25 seconds

other viable option include aviation oil tank for extra plane speed and avi or steam catapult for most alpha dmg. can even go rudder on shinano if so desired to all but guarantee the nuke but u hit less hard

alternatively can use homing beacon on shinano with 3x rainbow plane but need 2x +13 tenrai which i don’t have

[untold crater]

poor

[keen silo]

[stray oxide]

yes
oil tank and catapult would have been def better to pick

[keen silo]

not really

its personal choice

“other viable option” suggests all 3 of them r good

i’ve tried all 3

just to let you know pvp gear is not pve gear

[untold crater]

i've tried none, still tell u all what right or wrong even when i dont know

joke btw

[keen silo]

reminds me of someone

[untold crater]

yourself

[keen silo]

yes indeed. i am noob and idk shit about ijn fleet

[untold crater]

⏳ 💰

[keen silo]

[flat veldt]

same, I'm only lvl 64

[keen silo]

[stray oxide]

I used shin both in pvp and pve and picking a random collab item wouldn't be the best choice if i wanted more hit, the EVA granted by that item isn't that good tbw, but it depends on what gave you better results, i don't even know what's your shin lvl or if it's oathed or not

[keen silo]

it just so happens that the random collab item is one of the better ones

on shinano 2nd slot

but u do u i guess

more food on the ladder is always appreciated

[untold crater]

daaaamn

[stray oxide]

haha

[untold crater]

you really show him

anyway, use mafia

[keen silo]

i want weeb mirrors

i can afk during weeb mirrors

and come back 40s later with +10

[untold crater]

40s

the pain of IJN

[cinder wolf]

[keen silo]

the pain of ijn indeed

[untold crater]

26s for that shinano AS, +15 hiryuu fc

[keen silo]

not counting time it takes to kill anchorage

[untold crater]

1st AS so slow it actually hit after ancho invincibility ends

[keen silo]

thats the point

actually hacking the system

[untold crater]

if you can get it off

[keen silo]

thats where mrs enabler juneau comes in

as the great A**** once said, “juneau is an enabler that allows a shitty/imperfect fleet to work”.

[cinder wolf]

[untold crater]

we laughed

then i saw black torp quad juneau

i wasnt laughing anymore

[keen silo]

unreal

[cinder wolf]

juneau tryinna be ijn

kinda based

[trail temple]

I thought Juneau was always IJN

[untold crater]

she french

[trail temple]

Seeing as the pvp meta was IJN the whole time until the Italians took over

[keen silo]

its still ijn meta

[candid sluice]

juneau is the ijn fleet enabler

truth moment

[keen silo]

juneau is an enabler that allows a shitty/imperfect fleet to work

[rustic bridge]

Win possible

[untold crater]

yes

[keen silo]

Indeed!

[untold crater]

you gap him in gear

[rustic bridge]

not good gear

[untold crater]

🤔

try again !

[candid sluice]

man is losing to a guy half his cmd lvl

[rustic bridge]

again

[untold crater]

ah you dont restart?

[candid sluice]

tap pause button its there for a reason

[keen silo]

use pause

[rustic bridge]

gears are ok or ?

[untold crater]

missing one on taihou but yes ok

[trail temple]

Check pins, may not be same ships but the gear loadout should be similar

[candid sluice]

i dont think even the pins can help here

[rustic bridge]

No 406mm Ur gun no tabel

[candid sluice]

why dont u have gaming table

[uncut agate]

He probably does, on some other ship

[rustic bridge]

10 points to low Main on boss fight for last point

[candid sluice]

you had three weeks to get 10k

[untold crater]

24k oil

[rustic bridge]

too manny work

[untold crater]

[candid sluice]

so what did u buy from shop

jarbus?

[untold crater]

oxycola

[candid sluice]

man knows his priorities

[keen silo]

a good drink always leaves you feeling refreshed

[rustic bridge]

i can never win pvp

[uncut agate]

you use it for exp

[dusty reef]

Any tips for trying to rank for aotn?

[uncut agate]

Don't miss your exercises

[candid sluice]

sandbag first week, and time your aotn push well

build up enough of a lead week1 so u can rush easier when the time comes

[naive dome]

don't oversleep

[dusty reef]

I spent all my attempts this season, lose 7 fights for not paying attention and cant get top50

[uncut agate]

that seems normal

[untold crater]

seems like pay more attention in pvp and should get aotn

[dusty reef]

I use seydlitz n hiryuu n didnt realize their skills were activated n rip

[keen silo]

rip

[candid sluice]

u should play with sounds, listen to when their skill lines proc

[dusty reef]

Sometimes close enough to score a kill, till nj kill my hiryuu 1st

[untold crater]

just look for +1 hp

[keen silo]

seydlitz hiryuu nj team?

[dusty reef]

Dont have nj, using vanguard,seydlitz,hiryuu, ancho, juneau and seattle

[keen silo]

that seems ok

only concern is juneau middle

how good is it?

[dusty reef]

Depends on the survivalibility of vanguard

[candid sluice]

do u have warspit retrofit

[dusty reef]

If vanguard survive long enough to fire 2nd time not too much problem

Yes

[keen silo]

use the cancer fleet

warkai hiryuu vanguard

[candid sluice]

theres a new theory fleet in the pins spreadsheet that you can try out

[dusty reef]

Ok

[keen silo]

yeah

if no shimakaze use yukikaze or something idk

[dusty reef]

Leveling her, lv121 atm

[keen silo]

shima?

[dusty reef]

Yukikaze

[candid sluice]

youre faster than me raising her

[keen silo]

o she works too but less effective

[candid sluice]

oh yuki thought u meant vg

[dusty reef]

What is the meaning of MIN DIFF in Rank Table?

[keen silo]

minimum difference (opponent score - your score)

[untold crater]

minimum score differece

required for a bonus

lets say min diff is 35, my opponent needs to be 35pt or higher for a bonus (+11 in that case)

not thats point diff and not rank

[dusty reef]

Iirc in pvp we can't view people's pt right? Only rank

[untold crater]

can if they are in top 100

but otherwise need to make educated guess.

[candid sluice]

only way to know for sure is to either check leaderboards or ask them yourself

[sour plaza]

mmm warspite or vanguard

or is it a niche thing?

[untold crater]

its a poverty option

[candid sluice]

why not both

[untold crater]

still want to use mafia or nj/aql/vg

🤔

[keen silo]

warspite vanguard hiryuu is a decent zoomer fleet

[daring burrow]

Pretty much my fleet, not sure if I should use Shinano instead of warspite though

[keen silo]

that works

[daring burrow]

both approx same level?

[keen silo]

shinano fleet should be better

if u have right gear

[daring burrow]

oki

[novel depot]

Can someone, ANYONE, please explain something to me about how Enterprise's skill works. I have mine with level 10, HOWEVER, no matter how hard I try, I am struggling to understand why an opponents side, if they have an Enterprise, a level 10 skill will ALWAYS, go off, and mine won't

[uncut agate]

you have bad luck, that's it

that's a bad dive bomber for enty btw, use helldiver or tenrai

[coral wren]

Gear suck bad

[novel depot]

I can't really do that because I just came back to this game a few months ago and I missed a hell of a lot of stuff

[uncut agate]

helldiver is a purple plane

[novel depot]

I wouldn't know what that is I literally just came back like recently

[coral wren]

Yeah just grind more

Thats your main prior

[uncut agate]

This, been there since the start of the game

[novel depot]

Okay someone must not have been telling me good information beforehand because a few years ago while I was still on this someone told me I wasn't supposed to use that

[coral wren]

Gold version is better because of more AVI stats than purple

[uncut agate]

lol they trolled you

or they didn't know themselves

either is bad

[novel depot]

Yeah people always treat me like dirt, might as well have that whole mess start up again

[coral wren]

Keep the personal feeling keep the grind brah!

[uncut agate]

well, if someone here gives out wrong info, they'll be corrected, you don't have to worry about that

[novel depot]

Yeah I would but 9/10 times I ask advice, I basically get degraded

[coral wren]

Your enty is not only the issue here i think its the team comp u build is bad

[novel depot]

Just say my stuff is shit okay, just get it out of the way, I suck plain and simple

[steel coral]

cant win with an attitude like that

[uncut agate]

[coral wren]

@novel depot say what do you really want to do at exercises?

[novel depot]

Lose every time, what do you think. I ask for an explanation, someone has to just run me over, that's all I ever get here

[coral wren]

https://tenor.com/view/daddy-chill-gif-23762741

[novel depot]

Just forget I said anything

[coral wren]

I just said your team comp is so bad THATs why you lose

[untold crater]

What's going on here

[coral wren]

But you take my answer as an insult to you

[cinder wolf]

your fleet is outdated, it might be good back then but meta already changed by alot.

[novel depot]

I know my fleet outdated I haven't been on this in over 2 years

[cinder wolf]

as in for your lucky E proc or the opponent's, it's totally rng. so there's nothing much to say.

[keen silo]

staagprince says hi

[novel depot]

I don't have resources, I know my fleet is outdated, I just got back like 3-4 months ago, so at this point I have nothing of a fleet at all, since I'm as outdated as a flip phone

[cinder wolf]

aggree

might wanna start working on pr4 right away

[novel depot]

Yeah that's gonna be awhile cus I am STILL working on PR1

[keen silo]

don't bother with that

u can coin it atm

[cinder wolf]

you can skip pr1

cus those are even more outdated ships

[novel depot]

Can't, I'm already at the halfway mark for them

[sand cape]

You dont need to skip pr1 but you shouldnt research focus pr1

just coin up like what above guy said

[novel depot]

So I'm basically just supposed to forget one through three and just work on four

[sand cape]

3 or 4 is fine doesnt matter

[cinder wolf]

if you wanna fox your problem, yes

[sand cape]

But yeah ignore 1 and 2

[cinder wolf]

what pr3 brings to pvp?

[sand cape]

gear

although yeah you right none of the ships are good in pvp

[cinder wolf]

just go for ancho, you can buy those gear with protocore

only sex is relevant

yeah its not gph boi, pvp channel

[sand cape]

yeah pr4 focus good

[novel depot]

I can't go for PR4 even if I wanted to

I don't have most of the requirements for it

[cinder wolf]

yes you can

pvp relevant in it is anchorage

she's an uss, one of the easier faction to grind on

[sand cape]

pr4 research focus is good anyway since you can get prints while getting requirements

You need like 200+ prints for dev 25 anyway

[novel depot]

I don't hardly have any PR4 blueprints

[cinder wolf]

ancho gets her preload at d10, not much of an investment for pvp

[clear briar]

Either:

• switch research focus to PR4
  And/or
• Continue farming in large scale events to obtain PR4 universal prints in the event shops

[cinder wolf]

do both

[candid sluice]

Doesn’t take long to get dev10 on anchorag then u can use her effectively in exers

[cinder wolf]

no point shooting urself on the feet just to fastened an outdated pr progress that can be completed by coins and protocores

[novel depot]

At this point I'm just saying the hell with it, and just staying outdated. I don't have resources, I burned through most of it like an idiot, and frankly asking for advice just devolves into me getting running over by everyone. So losing and suffering the RNG curse it is

👍

[cinder wolf]

just giving you options, you can do wtv yeah

[neon bronze]

ah yes the ultimate pain. i always think of my Enty not proc her skill while the opponent's Enty always does, back in the days when I used Enty in PvP for leveling. (even though the leveling part is shite)

I act surprised when it doesn't happen. Truly Lady Luck taking a shit.

now I use Nagato + Akaga + torp vanguards, and I don't really need to be concerned when an opponent's Enty procs her skill because she'd be defeated, around 33-50% of the time.

[candid sluice]

We pointing u in the right directions to improve but it’s up to u if u wanna take them

[neon bronze]

ratio

[candid sluice]

Why in gameplayhelp

[cinder wolf]

just let ppl there taking care of it

[candid sluice]

Thought this was about pvp

Gph is the last place you should go for pvp advice

[cinder wolf]

im sure theyre not that clueless about the basic, leave here for sweaty discussion 😂

[neon bronze]

ahh

[candid sluice]

Nah they’re pretty clueless when it comes to exers

What does that even mean

[neon bronze]

nv,m

[cinder wolf]

pvp meta is wtv unit has the better kits and stats
works like that for the most games,
so yeah

[candid sluice]

Good ships become meta??

[cinder wolf]

if they have better kits that relevant to pvp than others, sure

have you heard about jerbus evasion rate?

[late heath]

PR4 should be easy too

Only 5 ships

And no fate sims

[heady herald]

What augments is optimal for PvP main fleet? Currently running 1 BB and 2CV. Using sceptor on both and the sword on the BB.

[cinder wolf]

officer sword for bb, scepter for cv

[light crystal]

WK likes the Bow

[cinder wolf]

bow enables wk?

[steel coral]

wk enables bow

[cinder wolf]

[light crystal]

It might just tbf

With how far behind the meta WK already is as is, she could use all the help she can get

[cinder wolf]

[calm mica]

bow and 2 black shells GigaChad

[candid sluice]

Check pins but that’s pretty much correct already

[dapper token]

which ammo type guns should BBs have for pvp?

[light crystal]

Sorta depends on the BB

[dapper token]

the main BBs i use are bismarck/seydlitz/warspite

and vanguard but thats in the future when i have her leveled

[light crystal]

AP for WK, and HE for the other two I guess

[dapper token]

WK as in warspite i assume?

[light crystal]

For Warspite,t he best guns in order of priority are: 457mm (PR2) > Champagne gun (PR3) > Mk4 AP gold (Labs)

[dapper token]

rip i dont have any of those

[light crystal]

If u dont might as well put Mk6 I guess

[dapper token]

the "best" gun i have so far is the purple 406

[light crystal]

Then use that, should get the job done, as inefficient as it may be on Warspite. On Bismarck and Sey it should be OK.

[dapper token]

alright

is ap the best for warspite for both mobs and bosses?

or does it depend on the situation?

[light crystal]

For PvE it depends, for PvP, AP hits hardest Medium/Heavy, and she always targets "furthest" target on the Backline, so

[dapper token]

ah ok

[candid sluice]

only the barrage targets furthest ship her regular shelling can still target vg

[cinder wolf]

which one is true

[keen silo]

aoste used warkai to enable so probably him

[cinder wolf]

aoste's warkai just built different

[young storm]

this recovers every 12 hours right

[cinder wolf]

12 6 6

[brazen socket]

What do yall think of vanguard in pvp

[keen silo]

good

[untold crater]

Can use over VV but will also need to swap duca for Noshiro or Juneau

assuming you were using mafia previously

[brazen socket]

I can do juneau but i'm not sure if 120 non oathed can survive long enough for her pop

And my noshi is only 120 too

[cinder wolf]

just 125 it then

[untold crater]

if she cant survive simply put her offtank

or mid even

or u can 125 its like 60 arrays

[sudden talon]

Good for pvp, surprised not much people are using her

[keen silo]

u shouldnt be

[candid sluice]

ppl are just 🐌 raising her

[sour oasis]

If you want to work on your defense, it means you didn't spend enough time working on offense

[neon bronze]

Vanguard is discount NJ, right?

[sour oasis]

Close enough

[dry socket]

is there any teatime terrors test data yet

[sour oasis]

If you lack NJ, Van is a good fit. If you have NJ, this is good temptation to run 3 BB offense.

[cinder wolf]

van and nj do 2 diff things

[last swan]

That doesnt change the fact that they are BB

[untold crater]

they have different uses

its like comapring aquila and shinano

[keen silo]

shinano is hotter

actually no

[candid sluice]

yea u cant directly compare nj and vg

[last swan]

Yeah, VG never be on a level to ve compared with NJ

[cinder wolf]

thats like comparing black mage to white mage

[candid sluice]

its like comparing toxapex to kingdra

[keen silo]

p*kemon in my #pvp channel????

[sand cape]

@keen silo if im aiming to go for aotn next season what should i prepare today for it

[cinder wolf]

check pin

[keen silo]

just use one of the fleets and dont miss

[sand cape]

pog

thanks

[trail temple]

Playing on multiple servers is tough, started on Amagi some time ago and I realise how painful not having meta is (again). Best score so far with non-meta, non-maxed ships

[cinder wolf]

duoenvee11

[untold crater]

so bad kaya 2491

[trail temple]

It was with lv100 ships

[keen silo]

ok but same

[cinder wolf]

pretty decent fleet for new acc

[untold crater]

jerbus abuser

[keen silo]

vangs event + perma

im using an enabler tho so the fleet isnt decent

[cinder wolf]

thats true

still far from unlocking ancho?

[keen silo]

ya need 400 tech pt

but got 150 print alr

[cinder wolf]

almost halfway done