pvp

[untold crater]

ALO moment

[keen silo]

i like iris libre too

[candid sluice]

is jda skill proc on hit or time based

i forgor

[keen silo]

10s

[north lark]

So I'm getting obliterated by this Italian fleet

[keen silo]

decent to shield from nj barrage

i used to use her omegalul

[candid sluice]

then put jda mid sanrui off

[north lark]

Can someone explain why I'm getting destroyed so hard?

[candid sluice]

what is your fleet currently

[north lark]

Ok finally won

Jesus christ

It was close

Ok lemme share

[autumn bear]

Time based

[candid sluice]

and your opps fleet too

might be a gear issue

[north lark]

Their team

My team

My vanguard struggles to survive more than 20 seconds

Something yellow and circle appears on the ground that deals damage over time

And they get melted

What skill is that?

And why is that Italian frontline so hard to kill wtf.

[untold crater]

You don't have the gear/ships

[north lark]

For context even tho my fleet isn’t meta I’ve beaten fleets that are like 15k power main fleet and 13k vanguard.

[keen silo]

seydlitz and helena r the only good ish stuff in there

[north lark]

Damn

[candid sluice]

Wait a full italia fleet thought u meant lost to mafia

[untold crater]

True mafia

[north lark]

It was literally

Full Italian

[candid sluice]

Well seeing as u still use eugen it looks to be ship issue

[untold crater]

Not your fake NJ mafia

He has 10.4k oil cap

Level and gear issue

[north lark]

I’ve beaten NJ mafia fleets with that team tho

[untold crater]

New player doesn't have good gear or ships

[candid sluice]

Also level issue

[keen silo]

mafia is american + italian

[untold crater]

That's Boston fleet

[candid sluice]

Should get working on those lvl120s

[autumn bear]

Hmm if enterprise and Helena proc you can kill a lot so yea

[keen silo]

Uh enty sucks

[autumn bear]

It’s just a dice roll

[candid sluice]

Enty is better than nothing

[keen silo]

new player on avrora is like punishing

[candid sluice]

She puts in good work early on

Early game not early match

[north lark]

Is it really that bad?

[keen silo]

yea avrora usually is most srs about pvp

[bitter escarp]

he doesnt even have his main fleet ships fully geared

[north lark]

I don’t feel like I’m that impoverished am I? I guess my vanguards are.

[keen silo]

use an AA gunnon seyd

also lutzow omegalul

[north lark]

How come?

[north lark]

[candid sluice]

U have +0 torps on sandy

[autumn bear]

Lol

[north lark]

I just realized that

[untold crater]

[north lark]

Wait

????

[autumn bear]

No way

[keen silo]

9k oil

give

[candid sluice]

How tf u have 457 but not all +10 equips

[untold crater]

Not like using torps vs Mafia helps

[glad zephyr]

[keen silo]

he prob bought PR pack

[candid sluice]

Also eugen needs to go asap

[north lark]

Didn’t

[bitter escarp]

kek

[north lark]

I changed my pr1 catchup

To monarch

After I Dev30 her

[candid sluice]

Oh speedrun tech

[keen silo]

oh good on you

thats smart

[candid sluice]

What other ships and equips u got

[north lark]

Uhh lemme see

I don’t think they’re particularly PvP viable tho

[autumn bear]

If enty is the weak link who should I use

[keen silo]

depends on wht u have

[autumn bear]

Almost everything

[keen silo]

use Mafia

[autumn bear]

Nooooo

Iris eagle

Maybe vicha

Lol

[north lark]

Why is Enty bad in PvP? She’s won me several 1v1 situations before.

[keen silo]

richy nj independence anchorage birmingham juneau i guess

lol

[untold crater]

You wouldn't be in those situations with better ships

[north lark]

Anyways from that dock

[keen silo]

He can build teatime terrors

[north lark]

What would be the most PvP viable meta wise?

[autumn bear]

Independence is good?

[keen silo]

@steel coral

[untold crater]

Quite

[keen silo]

where ur warkai? @north lark

[untold crater]

U can try vanguard seyd percy

[north lark]

I don’t have warkai

[keen silo]

yea vg seyd percy ig

[keen silo]

then anchorage jerbus juneau

[north lark]

Percy I don’t like running in PvP anymore. She’s still good in PvP? Confusion.

[untold crater]

Yea those 2 are good

[keen silo]

shes better than enterprise

also shes pvp meta

[north lark]

She doesn’t do nearly enough to nuke their vanguard anymore and it’s not for lack of planes. And she’s kinda just useless after.

[untold crater]

She's is not the best option

[keen silo]

@untold crater got high rank with persus team

[candid sluice]

Check the pins there are perseus fleets

[keen silo]

[untold crater]

But from your dock, she is

[keen silo]

she is used to reveal

more so than nuke

[untold crater]

Rank 2 with ease using Percy

[north lark]

I peaked at rank 181 in Avrora with my current fleet

What should I aim for?

Where’s the next bracket for merit points lol

[keen silo]

fleet admiral iirc

[untold crater]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/643697081210503168/724535999522144266/rank.PNG

[keen silo]

actually no, admiral

[untold crater]

You can check next bracket if you click on the "rules" section

[north lark]

Top 100

Hmmm

Also should I be running AP or HE gun on Seydlitz?

I can't tell

Both feels good

[keen silo]

+30 mover and no one on my list is going

[autumn bear]

What is the full mafia

This lol

Jk

[north lark]

Man seeing Juneau in pvp feels weird

I know she's good

But only pvp focused people use her

[untold crater]

at least she gets used

and abused

[north lark]

F

Anyways. Peaked rank 129 Avrora with this shitty team. Poggers.

[untold crater]

thats nice

[north lark]

Is the 155 Kai on main fleet secondaries ideal in PvP?

[keen silo]

iirc nepgun or seattle is better

[north lark]

I vaguely remember someone telling me that in gamehelp

Oh really?

[keen silo]

i personally use seattle

[keen silo]

gamehelp is dogshit at giving pvp advice

[north lark]

Seattle which one?

[keen silo]

pr2 152mm

[untold crater]

pr2 gun

[north lark]

So this one?

Wait

[untold crater]

no

[north lark]

That’s gearlab

Lmfao

[keen silo]

most of the ppl in gph dont even pvp what make them qualified to give pvp advice lmfao

[untold crater]

thats the other recommended one

[keen silo]

actually isnt that gun also good

yea

[north lark]

Ok so that gun is good

[untold crater]

yes

[keen silo]

I jus use seattle cuz I +13'd my seattle gun

[north lark]

And I’ll probably buy the 152 eventually for Seydlitz then. And maybe a second for St. Louis too

My vanguard ships don’t last very long so my BBs use their secondary guns a lot.

Like a lot a lot

[untold crater]

🤔

[north lark]

Thankfully Lutzow and Seydlitz have two secondaries.

[keen silo]

AA is better on them for pvp iirc

extra hit + better aa coverage into aquila

[untold crater]

KMS AA

[north lark]

So uhh

You see

[keen silo]

idk bruh who uses seydlit

[north lark]

I’m garbage into heavily CV fleets

I can take on maybe 2 CV fleets at most

But 3 becomes impossible

[untold crater]

your fleet has 3 kms ships its expected

[keen silo]

inb4 "he has sandy tho"

[north lark]

Sandy is the only reason why

I can beat 2 CV fleets

[untold crater]

sandy helps quite a lot

but thats too much weight for her to carry

[north lark]

Wished she’d last longer tho

I don’t have enough rudders

Why do so many people just slap every UR they have into PvP

[keen silo]

high fletpower = good

[north lark]

This is like the 8th time today I’ve seen someone run full UR fleets

Shimakaze is really good in PvP I presume?

I hate her guts

[untold crater]

Flex fleet

Shima is very good in pvp yea

[north lark]

She’s so hard to hit with BBs

[coral wren]

erm i have seydlitz flag vanny and unicorn
should i put monarch in

[winged depot]

you probably shouldn't

[uncut agate]

nope
seyd, vanny, uni is fine

[candid sluice]

no need

youre very close to making the teatime terrors fleet

[coral wren]

also should i replace unicorn with enty?

[coral wren]

is that good or bad?

[winged depot]

that's a fine backline already

[candid sluice]

it a solid fleet

[coral wren]

wait for real?- my vanny isnt max lb though

[oblique silo]

Either to flex or because they don’t know how to fleet build

Synergy is what matters, not fleet power

[candid sluice]

bbbut rainbow good

[sleek heron]

chocolate is better

[merry oar]

Is this fleet a full fledged mafia fleet??
I fought it
And saw
Naval treaty on VV
Pearl tears on shima
Parallel torps with black aux torp on duca

I don't think aquila used swordfish though. Wyvern instead

Nvm it was swordfish+rocket planes
I just didn't notice cus it has skin

[steel coral]

Be wary, the power of kashino guides that fleet.

[untold crater]

well wyvern is better than swordfish lol

[keen silo]

@late heath

[merry oar]

I won 9:1

Vanguard on pvp pretty solid

[candid sluice]

lol that backline looks unequipped

mikoto put ur equips back on

[untold crater]

seems like he just took off tenrai from aql

for metas or smt

[late heath]

I don’t even remember what I equipped

Gonna check

O I equipped wyvern on Essex for some meme and forgot to switch back

[untold crater]

[late heath]

[untold crater]

[clear eagle]

How the f…

[neon bronze]

Yes

[untold crater]

opsi

[light crystal]

One for each Preload Cv

Need to get another one for my Chise, but 100 Circuits is quite alot

[untold crater]

why only 3

well actually u dont need more nvm

[candid sluice]

dont even have one for the ship in pfp smh

fake fan

[light crystal]

[hallow hornet]

Holy Lord...

[candid sluice]

hiryu good??

[keen silo]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/758215756990906398/985852028079185940/unknown.png

evidently not according to the average youtube commenter

[candid sluice]

shiver me timbers a very credible source

[fossil yarrow]

Hornet or Tigercat for PvP?

[uncut agate]

Hornet

[fossil yarrow]

What about Tigercat?

More like PvE?

Oh I get it

Tigercat is slower than Hornet

[uncut agate]

they're about the same for pve, Tigercat has better AA due to slower speed

[fossil yarrow]

More risk to get yeeted from enemy aa in pvp

[steel coral]

Honestly dealers choice but probably sea hornet. Basically every downside to either plane is offset by an upside that cancels it out. Really, the only notable difference is sea hornet is slightly faster.

[twin hazel]

Who is the most left ship?

[uncut agate]

Alabama

[hallow hornet]

Idk, im using it cuz her level is already 100ish

[candid sluice]

That was rhetorical, she is good

[hallow hornet]

Im using this team for Exercise for Now

[candid sluice]

that works for now until u get your vanguard and helena raised

[late heath]

Enough mats for 2 more wyvern

[untold crater]

make ur main gun and 2 aa instead

[late heath]

[river marsh]

good augment for duca?

crossbow?

[untold crater]

yes

[keen silo]

crossbow best for all CL in pvp

[candid sluice]

Check pin

[river marsh]

👍

[cinder wolf]

it's so useless now

[river marsh]

why

[uncut agate]

there's nothing in gear lab after getting enough wyvern, that's why

[cinder wolf]

alr crafted 3 wyvern and feel it's enough with it

[river marsh]

i crafted 4

what about rainbow quint mag torps

[cinder wolf]

same 3

[untold crater]

waiting for subs to be added to pvp

[cinder wolf]

why

[untold crater]

why what

[cinder wolf]

crafting those

[untold crater]

you will know

[sleek heron]

couldn't break this fleet, 4 straight losses with tea time, took 2 tries to kill it with mirror mafia

was really hoping teatime would be better but looks like not

[cinder wolf]

well, cus it's not

[sour oasis]

Tea time works more often for the defender

[cinder wolf]

still the inferior fleet

[sour oasis]

If you're facing someone like Agent R or ||Agent F|| you can try to make a torpedo counter and RNG you survive the initial alpha damage wave; it is a very big wave if you lack the necessary parts to make a mirror Anchorage (the most important part).

[sleek heron]

at some point, you'd need rng to work in your favor even in a mafia mirror too tho

[sour oasis]

Yes that is true too.

[sleek heron]

quite a few times both NJ/VV decided to shoot at their front and miss while their VV/NJ slam into my backline instead

[sour oasis]

But less so if you're on the same equipment.

[sleek heron]

i was hoping warkai's barrage marking the backline would result in more consistency, but it's just consistently weaker

[sour oasis]

PvP is still about resetting against superior RNG

[north lark]

How much points you gain in exercise

Is not dependent on how good their fleet is right?

It's only dependent on their rank placement?

[uncut agate]

Yes

[north lark]

Just won against a NJ, Warkai, and Nagato fleet with 17k main fleet power.

[untold crater]

Based on score difference

Not rank

[keen silo]

yes because that looks like an actually decent mafia

[sleek heron]

i just wanted VG to be good in pvp

[keen silo]

she is

you just need to read above to see vanguard fleet

[sleek heron]

i dont see a pinged msg

how far above am i scrolling

[untold crater]

Here is a good VG team

[sleek heron]

who gets the rainbow radar? NJ i assume?

[untold crater]

Yea

[sleek heron]

what equips are the frontlines running?

[untold crater]

sec

[keen silo]

does vg shoot before nj in this

[untold crater]

No resets needed but also no good mafias found this season

[untold crater]

i forgor

she doesnt

[sleek heron]

i'll try it out maybe later in the week, VG is 124 atm and i should have enough daily oil to grind her to 125

[untold crater]

VG needs hpfcr to shoot before nj

but lazy to swap until i get good fleet

[keen silo]

[sleek heron]

i still have that sky asunder guy on my list, might try that and see how it performs against that defense

[untold crater]

Sec let me fix fleet

Here, better version

[sleek heron]

1 loss
2 too close to call
3 win
4 loss
5 loss
6 loss
7 win
8 win

pretty much all the losses are due to frontline collapsing too soon

[untold crater]

🤔

can try juneau i guess

[sleek heron]

1 win
2 loss
3 win
4 loss
5 win
6 loss
7 win
8 win

that guy had damage control aux on NJ

just for completeness, 5w 3l using mafia mirror

[untold crater]

🤔

[trail temple]

50% wr against an okay defence fleet

[untold crater]

i guess using juneau was better than noshiro

[trail temple]

[untold crater]

gear gapped

[untold crater]

62.5%

[trail temple]

I was going with the 1st one actually

and anything too close is basically a loss

WR against Sky's fleet with a decent team should be 80+

[keen silo]

Yea

well his stuff is prob +10

[north lark]

May I ask

How you guys are doing this winrate thing?

[jagged rain]

[sleek heron]

yeah i'm missing +13 sea hornet and +13 tenrai on aquila atm, using +10s

that's about the only major deficit atm, i could use some more +13s on aux for the frontline, but the important ones are pretty much +13

[keen silo]

ur shit isnt oathed too so its speebruh

he will reload faster

[sleek heron]

yeah i'm not oath my pvp fleet because i'm a simp

[keen silo]

leander iirc? 😔

[sleek heron]

yes

[light crystal]

questioning the man's commitment

[gray beacon]

What stuff should be +13

[untold crater]

everything

[north lark]

How do you guys defend against Shimakaze? Literally getting my vanguards wiped out by her. Wished I had more CBs and CAs. Pain

[untold crater]

use your own shimakaze and pray enemy miss

[north lark]

I don't have Shimakaze

[untold crater]

cb/ca in pvp is not usable besides ancho and arguably Agir in niche fleets

[north lark]

I start off the battle

And my vanguards are already 30 percent hp

They have a lot of preloads too

From NJ and whatnot

Lost barely

[untold crater]

anchorage

[north lark]

Actually so sad

Enty didn't get her lucky 7

Mmm

Pvp is more late game content then?

I can never tell how my fleet holds up into other people's fleets

I can sometimes beat 17k main fleet 14k vanguard fleets and other times I struggle to beat a 13k 13k fleet

[untold crater]

fleet power isnt everything

[north lark]

Are there any ships

That has shields that can block torpedos?

If I can block Shimakaze damage

From the start

I should be fine

[untold crater]

yes but she's garbage

algerie

[north lark]

Who?

I don't mind using garbage ships

[untold crater]

you dont have anchorage? she takes 0 dmg at the start

[north lark]

Am using garbage ships already

I do not

[untold crater]

focus on that

[north lark]

Fleet tech kinda far tho

I'm like 350 fleet tech away

[keen silo]

i am ngl

leipzig > agir in that team

[untold crater]

until then, you'll be nuked by shima

[untold crater]

mainz >>

[north lark]

Can Anchorage block her teammates from taking damage?

If so they're still going to die regardless

[keen silo]

mainz medium armor

leipzig is like fake birmingham

[untold crater]

no but since she's lead she'll take the brunt of the damage

leipzig gets nuked and her blue skill doesnt proc

[north lark]

Eh... It's not the lead I'm worried about

[untold crater]

only decent for speed skill

[north lark]

It's my other two ships

[keen silo]

ill go test or something

[untold crater]

i alr did

[keen silo]

ok she sucks then

[north lark]

I use Eugen lead. Yes I know she's bad but I need my vanguard to survive longer and Portland doesn't cut it

[untold crater]

if she gets hit by shima she wont proc blue skill

[keen silo]

[north lark]

Problem is my Helena and Sandy gets annihilated

They don't last too long into Shimakaze

[untold crater]

lost was the one that did more testing using leip on offense tho ask him

[keen silo]

with seydliz?

[untold crater]

ye

[keen silo]

ok ill ask him

[untold crater]

aql nj seyd leip ancho shima or smt

[keen silo]

ye that was what I theory crafted

[untold crater]

if the "when this ship falls below x%" skills would proc like FC/UL it would be decent but she just gets nuked so useless

[keen silo]

thats so sad

[untold crater]

i learnt that the hard way on daily torp boat mission with lv70 cassin

[calm mica]

Don't think I ever had a problem with her proccing on offense. Something I was wondering though, if her damage bonus on blue skill worked for her torps after they've fired before they've connected

Was too lazy to check if it does or not, either way I liked putting her in tank spot so that her pearl pops in time for everyone else

[lunar echo]

Is it random whether you get the extra point if you're exactly 35 points below someone? I could swear sometimes I get it and sometimes I don't

[calm mica]

If you don't relog, it probably is random

[untold crater]

dont need to relog

exit exercise screen only

From here to here

[calm mica]

So that's what it is?

[untold crater]

Not even

It's less but this makes sure

But don't risk it if you have time, relogging only takes 15 seconds at most

[river marsh]

internet was out during pvp reset and overcapped 4 attacks

there goes my chances of eos aotn

[untold crater]

[river marsh]

internet just came back

[calm mica]

Just sandbag more

[untold crater]

next season

[flat veldt]

don't even need to sandbag for EoS AotN, just rush your pvps an hr or 2 early so you mitigate chances of internet issues

[late heath]

Just use cell net

[keen silo]

Uhad decent pace too

[trail temple]

When I have a good score on avrora and then realise I don't want to appear on the eos leaderboards

[untold crater]

thats what im saying

[keen silo]

[light crystal]

BB Guns > Wyvern/Planes > Eva Aux such as Rudder > AA guns > Everything else, in that priority.

[keen silo]

torp

[untold crater]

think torp after planes before aux

[light crystal]

Only Shima and Duca torps, or IJN Nuke Comp torps, as priority. But other stuff I mentioned would take priority over even those

[keen silo]

well that’s general plate priority

specifically torp is so ez to get so its like

[untold crater]

yeah torp always the plate u have the most of

well actually AA gun is because no UR aa guns

[keen silo]

[crisp dune]

This is good in BB right? What should i remove the Black shell Or the white one??? For Pvp

[untold crater]

black shell

hit > fp

[merry oar]

In shinano/hiryu fleet

If shinano got sniped before her airstrike
The fleet already lost right?

[uncut agate]

Yes

[untold crater]

not always

but lost 60% of the time

[merry oar]

Hiryu can turn the tables??

[untold crater]

NJ can

hiryuu can be there as target for BBs to waste all their shelling

[fallen jewel]

This team good for pvp?

[untold crater]

show dock

quite a few not recommended ships there

[keen silo]

azuma rip

[fallen jewel]

1 sec

its a little outdated

[untold crater]

use vanguard over fdg

and work towards getting anchorage from pr4, usable starting dev lvl 10

[keen silo]

nj vanguard aquila anchorage shima noshiro is meta atm

[untold crater]

well he also has vv

and duca

can make mafia

[fallen jewel]

[untold crater]

you can use both
NJ/VG/AQL/Anchorage/Shimakaze/Noshiro
NJ/VV/AQL/Anchorage/Shimakaze/Duca

both are very strong teams

[fallen jewel]

alr

same thing for def?

[untold crater]

defense doesn't matter for pvp

[fallen jewel]

fr?

[untold crater]

doesnt get u any pts

[keen silo]

it is actually in the community’s interests to make weak def fleet

[untold crater]

my defense fleet

[fallen jewel]

weak

[untold crater]

mhm

[fallen jewel]

yeah

lol

[untold crater]

give my opponents wins so i can get more points from them

now that we've sorted out your fleet

from the T0 fleet, which equipments can u not obtain

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BewmBsf4EWKAf_UwYax05c7ksL51y6sjs96pIwD73Jc/edit?usp=sharing

or do you not currently have* sry

[fallen jewel]

alr

like

u wanna see me gear?

[keen silo]

i mean jus follow the shit on the list and ask if u need help or want clarification

[fallen jewel]

alr\

[untold crater]

yeah whatever you dont have from there we can find alternatives until you can get it

[somber monolith]

Hakuryuu, Shinano, Aquila, Jeanne D’Arc, Algerié, Eldridge/Juneau... a reminder for myself to get those ships and use them in PvP

[untold crater]

sir, this is a pvp channel

[coral wren]

Washington citizen

[keen silo]

[coral wren]

[untold crater]

revoke his citizenship

[whole salmon]

In order to get more points, you need people who you are matched with to move

And for them to move, they need to actually play and win

And if they don’t win and don’t get that many points, you in turn won’t be able to sandbag off them that much, leading to you having less points as well

Which is why for the first week of the season, you will see weak def fleet

Or something like this will happen

[untold crater]

[keen silo]

[whole salmon]

But yeah on second week, you can switch back to strong def fleet in order to cause people to overcap

Which is funny

[naive dome]

def fleet pretty much doesn't matter until you get into top 100 without rushing. Otherwise nobody will ever fight your fleet because you won't give them +11.

[uncut agate]

does it really matter in top 100? I've finished with EoS AotN plenty of times with meme defence fleet

[candid sluice]

Def fleets only matter 5mins before refresh

[neon bronze]

how do i optimize my 15 attempts in pvp? time the matches before the reseta?

[cinder wolf]

just dont lose

[neon bronze]

no i meant timing

i know not to lose

[cinder wolf]

dont lose and rushing on second friday 2nd reset

[neon bronze]

whatever i'll wait until i'm sane

[cinder wolf]

smart

[candid sluice]

If you’re looking to maximize drop down to 5/10 tickets 5 minutes before the next refresh

[sturdy thorn]

any feedback for improve/change?

[trail temple]

Check pins

Should give you an idea of what ships are good and which are not as good (i.e. anything not in the pins)

[candid sluice]

Volga and 46 suck in exers

[modern lark]

Nice

[final condor]

There’s not a way to view how well your def fleet works is there?

[keen silo]

ask other good players to test v.s you

[cinder wolf]

build your def fleet till ppl cry about it in discord or in game chat

that how you know its doing well

[keen silo]

[neon bronze]

there is a lack of good defense fleets what kind of tryhard should i be to notice

[cinder wolf]

kind of try hard with maxed gear and full oathed meta fleet

[rigid elk]

All bulins in front.

[final condor]

feels like the meta revolves around who’s warspite can snipe the other’s first

[untold crater]

Warspite isnt even in the meta fleet

[cinder wolf]

warspite is like gheto setup for ppl who dont own meta

[merry vale]

I use warspite because NJ is years away.

[idle ledge]

Intentional no gaming table on the bbs? Why?

[cinder wolf]

list made before vanguard event

[river marsh]

at least i can hit aotn if i rush a resrt

could've been eos aotn if the internet did not go out

[cinder wolf]

yeah it hvnt been updated for mafia

[idle ledge]

who gets it in mafia? I assume VV?

[cinder wolf]

guide written by weeb user

id give it to vv too

[river marsh]

nj gets the vanguard aux?

[cinder wolf]

nj built in spread reduction with 457 alr tight enough

[river marsh]

so who do i put the vanguard aux on?

vv?

[cinder wolf]

en

[river marsh]

[untold crater]

using hpfcr on vv?

wow

no words

[cinder wolf]

the guide said so

[untold crater]

fire into ancho ss i guess

[cinder wolf]

the guide is bad?

[untold crater]

dont agree with everything

[idle ledge]

eh, so for aug, NJ bow, VV sword?

[cinder wolf]

sword all the way

[untold crater]

double sword

[idle ledge]

[keen silo]

eva/hit is op combo

[young storm]

what would be a good fleet with these ladies?

(rest are low lvl)

[untold crater]

show rest of dock

with those ships you'll struggle to beat anyone

[keen silo]

anyone except total meme fleets yea

[young storm]

shit wrong vid

ok

if you prefer just giant pic

[calm mica]

Work on warspite ASAP. Can use vanguard/warspite/enterprise then sandy/helena/somethin

[untold crater]

juneau drops 5-2

[calm mica]

Probably Monty until you farm Juneau

[untold crater]

uni/warpsite/vg

[calm mica]

Oh right, uni is meta now Pog

[young storm]

warspite only when retro right?

[untold crater]

juneau/helena/jervis until you get yukikaze or anchorage

[untold crater]

yeah but retro is quite easy to get

[keen silo]

unikai poggies

[candid sluice]

Teatime terrors fleet becoming more popular

[untold crater]

amongst poverty players

[keen silo]

im poor

nice to meet u

[untold crater]

not so nice to meet you

lv 68 player

[keen silo]

im lvl 70

[untold crater]

sorry

[upper fern]

whats "teatime terrors"?

[untold crater]

vg fleet

[candid sluice]

Fleet with a backline of vanguard warspite and perseus/unicorn

Teatime bcus hms ships

[sleek heron]

everyone knows british drinks tea, but when is it chicken tikka masala time?

[untold crater]

A bit late for that

[trail temple]

Old political memes in pvp?

[keen silo]

no politics in #pvp or nimi will awaken

[untold crater]

[sleek heron]

is not even politics, chicken tikka masala is like the national dish of english

[untold crater]

Haggis

[trail temple]

We weren't talking about you

But yeah, enough of the silly stuff

[keen silo]

imagine being from scotland

[tranquil badge]

Anyways I've seen people phase out Veneto for Vanguard, do you still keep Duca as a result then?

[untold crater]

noshiro

for the torp dr

but seeing 70/30 noshiro/juneau

some people seems to find more success with juneau it seems

[tranquil badge]

I've seen a Seattle but I'm guessing she's 3rd on the pecking order for this

[untold crater]

personally on offense i prefer noshiro

[tranquil badge]

[untold crater]

used her over juneau in similar fleets in the past

[tranquil badge]

Any reason to use Noshiro is fine by me

[keen silo]

@oblique silo i told you people would start using VG once every bagger swapped

[oblique silo]

Yeah lol

She’s a better DoY that does good dmg

Op

[untold crater]

She's not bad, I think mafia still meta though

[keen silo]

vanguard has a place in metagame for sure

[oblique silo]

It’s about even based on my testing

[untold crater]

50/50 on offense w/ VG vs Mafia?

Or is your WR with mafia/VG the same?

[keen silo]

the latter pretty sure

[untold crater]

I think I'll swap to VG fleet just because cba swapping gear for repulse starting tmrw

[oblique silo]

The same

[cinder wolf]

lvl 15 looks painful as hell, doubt kazagumo can survive there

[digital peak]

Im tired of this, the game needs a ban system by votation, maybe 10 ships per month, its bored fight agains the same ships ever

[keen silo]

1st one is ungeared btw

15k backline

[light crystal]

NJ in middle. Damn

Must be Manjuu user

[untold crater]

top nj abusers

[keen silo]

[flat veldt]

I'm down for seasonal bans

[untold crater]

what happens when we ban nj

[flat veldt]

then Valentine101 will come back from the dead

what would your T10 bans be?

[cinder wolf]

nj and shima ban then we can have a long 1 mnt pvp back

[untold crater]

ban aql nj shinano shima ancho

wonder what meta will be

maybe vg who knows

[steel coral]

Just ban every UR

[cinder wolf]

the problem just those 2 tbh

no shima torps wont be as reliable

[north lark]

Does PvP ever get boring

[untold crater]

no bc then we just have boring ijn meta with ancho

[north lark]

When everyone runs the same ships

Every single fucking time

[cinder wolf]

no nj then no more burst down on backline

[flat veldt]

I would ban , , , , , , , 🐉, ,

[north lark]

Legit I’m looking at the 4 enemies I can choose from

3 of them are the exact same fleet

[untold crater]

vg unikai noshiro percy yuki seattle fleet? 🤔

[north lark]

[untold crater]

if your fun comes from pvp fights you're doomed unless you roll a friend and ask them to put some fun ships up

[cinder wolf]

ijn meta not as toxic as mafia

[untold crater]

ijn meta way worse

prefer reset at 15s than at 45s

[cinder wolf]

long pvp again

[untold crater]

still have nightmares from JorgeR or Thantos fleets

[ancient skiff]

[north lark]

My PvP fleet

Shimakaze feels scarier

Than NJ

By a long long run

[untold crater]

because you dont have anchorage

[north lark]

Yeah

[flat veldt]

Just use Leander

[cinder wolf]

both can burst down backline

like one shot

[untold crater]

u mean rianda?

[north lark]

Seydlitz eats the damage from NJ pretty easily

[cinder wolf]

RIANDA

[untold crater]

[flat veldt]

delete this

[north lark]

Why delete?

[flat veldt]

never wanna see that ever again

[untold crater]

Mine is also similar, 2 Mafia, 1 VG variant and 1 waifu fleet

[north lark]

I’ve never fought that fleet before

What’s up with it?

[untold crater]

only kaya knows it's terror

[flat veldt]

we don't talk about it here

[north lark]

[untold crater]

talk about what? its just a normal and easy waifu fleet

[north lark]

I’ve seen a similar variant

But I think 3 ships were different

[cinder wolf]

or ban everything till we back to amagi meta

[untold crater]

hood akaga meta days

[flat veldt]

[north lark]

Bans would be nice

Change up the meta

But they won’t

This game doesn’t have

Ships that you can use to counter specific strategies or fleets

Which feels weird

Like there’s no true hard counters

[ancient skiff]

Bans just going to be the same ships every season

[untold crater]

Exists but only between t1 and t2 fleets

Mafia wins vs everything

[keen silo]

u guys literally forogt

impero

[untold crater]

[keen silo]

y’all trolling

[untold crater]

Impero/indep?

[north lark]

Yeah that’s what I meant

[keen silo]

yus

[untold crater]

@steel coral

[keen silo]

akaga but not ijn

[north lark]

Like my fleet even tho it’s off meta, it can beat some really strong 17k/14k fleets with some meta ships. But once it’s up against a mafia fleet I struggle against a 13k/13k fleet. Took me like 8 resets before I won.

Pain

I knew ship synergies were good but some of them are terrifying

[keen silo]

[ancient skiff]

Go blow anchorage

[north lark]

Who are those ships?

I can’t recognize the skinned versions

[ancient skiff]

Suzutzuki shimakaze and kazagumo

[uncut agate]

[ancient skiff]

[steel coral]

IJN DDs 😭

[prime owl]

Assuming I'm going into PvP and not trying to run meta, is there any reason I'd want to run Gascogne?

[keen silo]

waifu

[prime owl]

Oh ok

[keen silo]

i mean u did say u didnt care abt meta

[prime owl]

Yeah that's true. What I meant to say is whether or not her double barrage means anything in a PvP setting

Since she can fire both off within seconds and all

[keen silo]

O no it doesn’t

[prime owl]

Aw man

[light crystal]

I too was Copium on Gascogne in PvP when she got her Fate. Wondering if the "improved" barrage would snipe...

[cinder wolf]

[untold crater]

typical aoste

[cinder wolf]

can make a fleet out of all the copes

[untold crater]

surprised still alive

[neon bronze]

Bruh it been 2 years lul

[untold crater]

somehow didnt overdose on copium

[light crystal]

I blame the dataminer on that one tho. They made the pattern on the barrage to be more useful than it seemed

[candid sluice]

Cope

[distant void]

My Guild Leader...

Also hello guys

how's pvp doing?

Suffering, I assume

[cinder wolf]

unultra cult

[distant void]

[keen silo]

please invite me to guild server

I am unultra big fan

[cinder wolf]

me too

[distant void]

go check #friend-and-guild-id and find this guy... He's our Vice GM

[cinder wolf]

theres someone above unultra?

[distant void]

This our Vice GM: Narberal γ He operates the Guild when Ult is gone

[distant void]

Ult is the GM

[cinder wolf]

Ultra

[distant void]

We are in Amagi sadly

[cinder wolf]

why sad, literally best server

[distant void]

We have Washington & Sandy(but its not maxed out)

but we do have Discord

[distant void]

[distant void]

His IGN is Synistral (Amagi Server)

[keen silo]

is your discord server public?

[distant void]

Sadly, you have to join first in game

there we'll send the code for our servers

[keen silo]

oh that's sad

i wont get to meet unultra then

[distant void]

yeah

you have a guild?

[keen silo]

yes

if i didn't i would love to join

[distant void]

Ult and the 2nd and 3rd-in-command doesn't want to accept players from discord because we need confirmation through in-game guild and it's against the rules as well, sadly.

[candid sluice]

Please let me join the server with unultra I am his biggest fan

[keen silo]

ah that's sad

[distant void]

a lot has happened, that's why we dont open up to discord, only in-game

I want to explain the details but... its very long

[keen silo]

it is ok I understand

but we are his biggest fans

[distant void]

Oh I see

Ill try to discuss this with Ult right now

[keen silo]

thanks man

i appreciate it

[candid sluice]

Does anyone know what will happen on Saturday, June 18th??

[distant void]

AL?

if it's AL I think it's a rerun

[candid sluice]

I think this event is an original run

[distant void]

He would be very happy if you join our guild.

[distant void]

Oh I see

[candid sluice]

Oh if you’re talking about princeton she’s a rerun

[keen silo]

yes princeton is a rerun

[keen silo]

Gensui rush at 9am?

[candid sluice]

Smh unaware

[keen silo]

my eyes have now been opened

[distant void]

oof, we've discussed it and the discord is only for our guildmates...

yeah, the "thing" that happened in our Discord hit us hard.

I'm very sorry

[cinder wolf]

nooo

[neon bronze]

secret society

only tryhards accepted it seems

[distant void]

Nah, it's just what happened in the past and we dont want it to happen again

Ult really wants members

He's been expecting new members

right now we have 6 slots

[distant void]

I am very sorry

[steel coral]

[cinder wolf]

[flat veldt]

[faint quarry]

Ez clap, German engineering is the greatest in the world

[untold crater]

wonder how well german engineering does against italian-american engineering

[faint quarry]

Sounds like tag teaming vs a solo opponent. Kinda unfair, no?

[winged depot]

[untold crater]

maybe american only then

[smoky kite]

Quick question, if I don't have Duca for the Italian fleet comp, what would be the next best replacement? I have all other ships other than her

[untold crater]

Noshiro

but then dont use VV either, use VG over her too

[smoky kite]

Cool, thanks

[untold crater]

[keen silo]

yukana spreading new meta

[light crystal]

[untold crater]

[knotty cave]

Looking at the pins right now, why is the Sea Hornet recommended over the rocket plane?

[keen silo]

it has AA

rocket plane cannot intercept

[calm mica]

rockets also get eaten by Agir if opponent has it

[knotty cave]

Guess that's why I shouldn't take advice from GPH for PVP

[untold crater]

bf109 just misses

[calm mica]

Yeah, if they don't use Agir, it misses because everything's too fast

[candid sluice]

Shouldn’t take advice from there regardless but especially for pvp

[knotty cave]

What about the gaming table, I assume that goes on VV?

[candid sluice]

New jerjey

[untold crater]

i personally dont use any radar on VV, table on nj

i find that hpfcr on vv makes her shoot at ancho ss

[calm mica]

Yeah, mine goes with regular SG radar

[untold crater]

i use WS/Beaver

[keen silo]

ye that works too

[keen silo]

[calm mica]

She's there to set fires and soak damage, so the extra eva is welcome anyways

[untold crater]

so my ancho can use rudder for skill and manjuu for skill

[keen silo]

nice scuffed

[untold crater]

cursed

[keen silo]

Gph players mostly dont know optimal pvp gearing

so its like

[untold crater]

pvp

[keen silo]

they just use pve gears in pvp and thats bricking

[untold crater]

[candid sluice]

Probs uses toolboxes on their anchorag

[untold crater]

ofc, heal is op

[keen silo]

[candid sluice]

That 3% every 30 secs is massive amirite

[untold crater]

1% every 15s

even less

[keen silo]

#bufftoolbox

[untold crater]

gold toolbox with pr5

[winged depot]

rainbow toolbox

[untold crater]

rainbow will give 1k

[flat veldt]

I want rainbow boiler

[late heath]

GPH players actually pvp?

[untold crater]

for exp

loss still gives exp

[cinder wolf]

gph

[candid sluice]

Gameplay unhelp

[pseudo copper]

Need more players to play and not lose to get past 2600 every season

Or just become Unultra

[flat veldt]

or they could just get professional PvP coaching from deathkt

[pseudo copper]

[fossil vine]

Is there a snapshot of the rankings when the season ends, or do you just have to try look at it right before it resets?

[untold crater]

There are people that snapshot it

[flat veldt]

@fossil vine link is here

[fossil vine]

Oh cheers

[untold crater]

[flat veldt]

@jolly lichen would it be possible to have this link pinned?
This is a compilation of each season's EoS scores across all the servers

[untold crater]

📌

[candid sluice]

That’s the old link

Use the mutsuki coin one

[flat veldt]

yea link is old but they point to the same spreadsheet

I don't wanna ping Silent again

Updated link to EoS spreadsheets (credits to DuoEnvy)
https://bit.ly/MutsukiCoin

[keen silo]

we need server specific spreadsheets

lexington: in development

[untold crater]

amagi server has one but it's only rankings no screenshots

[keen silo]

ya its only rankings also, tracking average eos10 scores/cutoff/rank 1 finishes

the spreadsheet look like my fkn school project

[untold crater]

show?

[keen silo]

[untold crater]

Amagi only doesn't look uber scuffed bc ppl with IQ helped me

[keen silo]

[flat veldt]

should note that Yukana's spreadsheet is only EoS R1

[keen silo]

mine is everything

[untold crater]

ppl care for eos aotn?

[keen silo]

mover id also

[rocky shadow]

For me, i don't care, i just want free merit from aotn rank

[trail temple]

You get even more merit if you dump your exercises while you're in aotn rank

[untold crater]

Thats what I'm saying

100 merit per win

[vapid kayak]

what does eos aotn means? first time im hearing it lol

[untold crater]

eos - end of season
aotn - admiral of the navy

essentially the top 10 players of the season

[vapid kayak]

ah

ive only been admiral in the middle of the season. One day lol

[candid sluice]

we all start out somewhere

[late heath]

Started out salty

[untold crater]

ended up arrow

[candid sluice]

saltyarrow lore

[light crystal]

arrow to the aql

[trail temple]

Started from the salty now we here

[flat veldt]

That ain't DJK

[untold crater]

yeah

its drekinshambles guy @keen silo

[keen silo]

[untold crater]

[flint python]

just don't end up like aoste

[untold crater]

aoste is gigachad, stay mad

[light crystal]

[untold crater]

If aoste has 1 follower, then I'm no longer on this earth because his number one follower is the schizo voice telling him whatever the next meta will be

[light crystal]

It shall be Weeb Meta 2.0, trust me bro

[untold crater]

PR5 gonna give us no IJN lmfaooo

[candid sluice]

maybe marco brolo fatesim gonna make mafia 2.0 meta cope seethe cope cope

[untold crater]

Maybe they add fs10 for gascan

[cinder wolf]

jerbus retrofit, trust

[light crystal]

Waiting on Alsace.

But she will probably be UR BB instead of a PR/DR one I think

[tawny wedge]

Blue Hair

[untold crater]

cn leak said she was DR, but just a dumb leak so idk

about as accurate as any schizo

[light crystal]

[candid sluice]

about as accurate as your new meta predictions

[untold crater]

[cinder wolf]

what was the cn leak again?

[untold crater]

someone from Church posted it i think

[daring burrow]

any pvp tier list?

the one in pins is up to date?

[untold crater]

not with this event for every fleet

it has section for the augments already tho

just need to update 1 equipment for fleets and add in a new fleet varient thats it iirc

[daring burrow]

Alright, is vanny good in pvp?

[untold crater]

used well as a VV sub

[daring burrow]

okay, thank you

[candid sluice]

when r they gonna add module slots to fleetbuilder smh

[daring burrow]

How can I make this team better? I also have Shinano

[untold crater]

show dock

[keen silo]

probably use shinano

[keen silo]

go shinano hiryuu vanguard unironically

[untold crater]

🤔

[daring burrow]

I don't think I have hiryuu