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its fine we all ring our fleets anyway
Saved, thanks!
na don't copy that
Accelerator for low/average AA unit with Hit stat. I know, wild concept.
isnt sextuple better

Not on her
staag ancho 
the torps on anchovy are interchangeable depending on what timestamp you are trying to smoke over
anyway, can a mod help to pin this? its a standard ijn fleet setup
of course there are some nuances that are up to personal preference
like manju nj
Also using STAAG on Shima. Maximizing that Hit.
yes indeed, and staag ancho
Manju NJ is broken asf

manju yiryu dubble invinc 
Depends on several factors I suppose. Best used with Juneau
What about Manju on enter
ok that one is unironically garbage
My sad Jen is stuck on defensive fleet iirc
30s invi lesgo
she dies after manju invinc 
Smh
manju proc overwrite lucky e invicibility
It was a joke
sorry bro we dont joke in this very serious on topic channel

Damn
thank you, silent
LOL

+13 gold mags are better than +10 rainbow mags right 
If u wanna use Enterprise probs need Hit/Eva Aux + JetFuel/Frontier.
too much rainbow bro my eyes hurt
I think that works yea, personal preference
ye I already slotted the plates, was just wondering 
Long time I don't use enter on pvp lol I was really joking

u need to be quyet levels of veteran to even afford that fleet
um but which mag
uh gold quad mag
btw brah
u shoulda made the ships 125/200 to show the real rld timings
kinda misleading the timestamps
the equips dont rly matter if u specify +13s but the levels and aff are big
cmon man dont troll in this channel smh

just ping me to repin whenever
got stuff to do
thanks bro
set everything to +13
Brah too much of a troll?
holy shit its staagprince
im sorry sir
No worries, just keep it to other channels, #pvp is sacred grounds where no trolling or fun allowed
thats my bad man
next time dont miss #al-general
@jolly lichen 
thank you
what is this a gear on hiryuuu on 4 slot
Washington Naval Treaty

I can already hear my neighbors going off trying to get their 
hey guys dont forget to get your aotn
I overcapped 211 exer so I can't get it now 
Hey, I know u have been meme'ing for a while about Perseus, but did u actually know she was pretty useable for a couple of hours after CN maint (In CN only)?
It was hotpatched before EN maint happened tho
Basically Perseus didn't have to wait 30s+ for first airstrike after preload, only sub 20s lol
💪
ok but perseus isnt even bad in pvp
It was actual Perseus meta for a couple of hours on CN before it got hotpatched if I understand correctly 
the preload also gone


🤔
Odd the two people that were talking about this made it sound like only the CD debuff was affected, so she still kept the double preload, but ok
imagine telling did you know but actually dont know 
Maybe they understood it wrong as well I dunno
it's just 🍝 code where drake's hms head count skill overwrites others hms proc skill.
so percy losing her blue skill proc
which where the preload and reload debuff is
I thought it only affected the CD part not the preload, but it invalidated the whole skill haha
They also thought that, but oh well
fake news 

Well, it was still
meta then for those few hours.

Spreading false information? We don’t do that in this channel
Not intentionally at least
in my very serious, no fun allowed, no cringe allowed, no trolling allowed, no meme allowed, no off-topic allowed, no kink shaming allowed, no sketchy links allowed, no lewd
emote allowed, no
allowed ALO official #pvp channel? Someone's asking for a visit to the shadow realm
Shadow realm? Wrong franchise, that's off topic
sh*t... well it was good knowing you guys 


u are not allowed to say the P word in this channel 


I didn't think they could possibly make Drake worse. To think she could reduce Perseus, the greatest ship in the game, to such a state smh
Truly the only HMS we can trust is Persy
just remove drek honestly, she is a complete failure
That's a little too much. Just drop her down to elite tier. She'll be unique. The only PR ship of that rank
This channel is scary 
Don’t worry abt it just banter between the pwos 

Of course it's scary. It's super serious always on-topic pvp discussions with no room for memes or misleading of any kind. Might be somewhat of a shock to someone coming from one of the more casual channels

The levels of sarcasm in here sometimes hurt
nah, that's just salty
If you manage to kill Warkai then it's easy for your VG to kill them
Use warkai to encounter warkai
WarKai is lvl 120 probably
on what emcouter i enty
Actually I'll think you'll find I took the useful advice others gave and am currently leveling up the suggested ships and only ignored the useless advice from yourself and 2 others of "git gud newb lol", "git gud ships lol", "git gud gear lol" (with no specifics as to who, what, how, combos etc) and then yourself and those 2 leaving snarky comments for the next hour or two despite being blocked and ignored and crying over getting no attention for your toxic memeing
😉🤣
getting ships and gear is advice lmao

there are many good perma ships and gear, so telling you to get those isnt useless
u r just butthurt over nothing
and regarding "snarky comments", i dont think u are one to talk
tragil 
you plan on playing without gear? 
valentine keeps changing his msg 
well played, u will be able to trick the ppl that backread, but not me

At what stage did I say that?
There is a difference between telling someone what gear is useful and just flat out saying "git gud gear".
I get talking like a potato is the style online these days.
But I don't see how ignoring useless stuff like that equals "I don't want gear"
What are you implying 
It's like asking someone "how do I bake a pie" and you just sit autistically screaming "git gud pie"
nah, too hard
And then the response is "git gud flour".
I don't see why it's viewed so negatively to want useful input and not meme speak.
It seems reasonable to me.
Perhaps it's my upbringing 🤣

Or of course the alternative response of just post a pic because words hard
what are u on about telling someone to get better gear is real advice
there isnt much u can do with dogshit items
Gear is overrated, losing all the time is real tactic to winning pvp
Do you not realise how vague "git gud gear" is to someone who's been playing casually for 3 months (I think 3) 🤣
The pins are there to give an example of what good gears you need
That explains why so many competitive communities are shitty towards newbs!
Oh salty read me 
the real problem here is your shit attitude going into this whole thing in the first place
AL is competitive?
instead of asking for advice first and clarification on what is needed u come here talking shit and throwing tantrums
Well...

literally nobody knew u were a new player when u first came in here
Literally only thing that's been said is work towards gear, most pvp gear is in memento and gearlab 
if u came here asking ppl what ships/builds should u use as a new player we coulda helped u a long time ago
yet u come here taking shit about defense teams that arent even "meta"
the approach u shoulda done is post what ships and equips u have access to currently and we give u teams and builds u can use and goals to work towards
like any other person should do when asking for help
I did
so why are u still complaining
Yes I've been complaining none stop while I was not even online 🤣
Literally I made one comment and got called out by 1 twit who won't stop goading and poking but I'M the one who clearly asked him to carry on being a cockwaffle

Literally the entire time I was talking to people about advice all I had was a certain few of you constantly repeating the same shit over and over while throwing insults and having to mute you.
But I'M in the wrong for that behaviour
My apologies for not "gitting gud"
because u continue to complain after being assisted
these guys are just tired of your unnecessary comments
It's like you're refusing to see context
if u just looking to bicker with people over the internet u can go to #off-topic instead
your comments are quite inflamatory sometimes
you are flooding this chat with dumb comments and preventing other people from communication
I wonder why 🤣
i don’t feel like rumi, tragil, salty, me or anyone aim to trigger you specifically
his first msg coming in here today: "The levels of sarcasm in here sometimes hurt". and he expects not to get talked back to 
You had a bunch of top players give you legit advice
Rumi even built 3 fleets for you
Indeed and I listened to the useful advice
As I have repeatedly said
you have close to the entire amagi pvp leaderboard help you
I had no idea they were referred to me because I've never seen things laid out like that. I thought they were his
Ah the pics again. Communication breaks down to pointless pics
Context is here for you to reference
Imo, I think a bunch of people here were trying to help you
And like I have now said a ridiculous amount of times I listened to the useful advice.
I don't see how that's bad of me...
"git gud" and memes aren't useful
u got the useful advice, yet u still come in here to throw tantrums
Lmao
👀
you're arguing about arguing, it's futile when neither of you see eye to eye
move on
that is what meta-debate means in this context

the advice was given, it was valid, it was reposted at least twice by now, let him figure out the rest
Which I shall say for the last time.
I did listen and have acted on the USEFUL advice.
good, let's not continue using inflammatory language or other ad hominem
both sides are practically ready to lash out at the drop of a hat, I'm having to moderate y'all from going rambo all while backreading
they're good people when it comes down to it, let them help you
I'm happy to take help outside of memeing
Thanks silent 
can lead a horse to water but cant make it drink 
I'll be the grazing muzzle then, no worries
thanks silent

What did I miss? 
Stuffs

this good
Show gear and dock
use this site
that site looks awful 
Lol, this is a Terrible fleet
yes it is
No meming in here
bulin new meta 
oh thanks
that looks like pve
yea share what ships u have
is that a ppppperseus i see
perceus good for pvp ?
if used in certain situations
I thought independence would be better
Work towards anchorage pr4
ok thanks ,should I replace indep with perceus
For now use Perseus/Warkai/Enty/Seattle/Lena/Kron
thanks
what equips do u have
this is on perceus
Show depot like this
oh wait
yes we wanna see all your equips
yukana with the subtle flex 
?
is that wyvern your only rainbow
yes
ah no 457 
What equips can you make in craft
at least he has mk4
I'm trying to get 457 by buying them 30/50
Don't need, I use Mk4 on WK
keep working towrads it
yeah mk4 is fine
do u ahve purple helldibers
so step 1 finish warspite retrofit
yeah
Can u make this?
I have only 1 copy of that
only need one
should I change it for black shell
no keep it
thanks 👍🏻
Opinions


also should I change junkers too parallel torps because enterprise will proc late when vanguard would've died and junkers would help to kill one target on backline 🤔
use barracuda
crash damage good
give 457 to nj

What about NJs?
Something like this for VG
swap mg to champ swap secondary for 128
?
Really?
and u want a faster gun on her anw
also georgia is subpar in pvp

What’s Sap?
who else do u have
the gun in thatslot
purple ammo
it shoot SAP ammo
Special AP, current Georgia gun
Different armor modifier and shell color
Sap do more damage against med
Different modifier/color
But ap is just better
Btw who should I give Njs weapon to?
not really true, sap is just situational
If I give her the457
fdg i guess
do u have richelieu? @nimble python
Yeah
use riche fdg nj then
Okay
whos the vanguard
Show dock
Dinner first
Shimakaze z23 and Azuma
Is that a joke? 
Btw I’ll change Z23 for noshiro once she’s 115+
joke detected, warn imminent 

Noshiro is fine ig
:SpeepoLeave:
I’m commander lvl 99
very cool
Will we get warned for suggesting to use Manjuu NJ?

yes unless famine himself comes in and says it
Where blue main gun
No
You want barrage gun on shima
check the pins
Who should I give it to then?
nimi
Z23?
do u have pearl tears
No not yet
u have beaver?
No
go get both asap
Okay what else?
Wnt?
washinton naval treat
Btw you guys were a big help thanks
npnp
Also georgias sap gun who should I give it to?
no one
Lol
That gun is pretty meh
its kinda garbage
Is it good in PvE?
not really
niche pve use
Use 128mm or 114mm instead
champgun is better
The new DD sap gun might be OK too
sure yea
Okay thanks guys

do the gears i equip in my ships carry over to the defense fleet?
like if i give my Swiftsure a Chappy gun will the Swiftsure in my defense fleet get the chappy gun too lol


How can we reach under 1k rank ,I always get struck in 2k range ,even though I fight guys higher ranked than me
winning all of your leftmost battles 15x a day for the entire 2 weeks should be enough to push you to like top 100 no matter what
at some point toward the end the algorithm starts spitting out random adjacent ranks not necessarily only higher than you
Thanks
so you'd need to refresh or wait or whatever you like doing, but for the most part just consistency and winning will get you up there
what you set as defense fleet is practically a non-factor afaik
Remember the times it refreshes so you wont have an oopsie
I'll try it next time
what if 100 other players do the same 
then you just uh pick a different time next season, idk 
managed to get to rear admiral this season, feel good for my newb team
good complementary vanguard for VV-NJ-Aqu? I know Duca but idk who else would be good
oh mb, thank you
but then I can't tell people to use Kashino

Ancho > Duca > Shima > Juneau > Noshiro > YKKZ



Still getting AotN after some shenanigans
Nice 2.5k merit
congrats
If you continue wins while in the top 10, you also get 100 merit per win

you mean you can just keep farming extra merits? 

Technically he can if he only just got aotn when he said it and immediately did his 5 matches immediately on reset
Rushing
= good 
Verily, it's a win-win situation



yeah the new pinned meta fleet is not gonna work for me
tbh just dont lose.
I do not have shinano or hiryuu meta
no sir
sad
they are sidegrades
hm
they are both good fleets
Amazing
It's just an alternative fleet
ok good
Just sandbag normally
Sorry I have disgraced you

Rushers

I meant server 
yeah


i am amagi sir.
Now get AOTN
add me 

when nano rerun I will try
leaking uids? 

Let's add a third
seydlitz new meta?? 
youre missing ag*r in that fleet tho

its a very important buff and imperative that you use another ironblood ship in the fleet
Okay, updated

is agir at DL25 usable in PvP or am I better off with speedier vanguards
Better not to use her unless you're buffing seydlitz

Aight thanks
Agir is a pve ship, but she's also the best IB vanguard ship so, she just works here
needs more aquilium in seydlitz fleet
I did try it, and tested it against the likes of Famine, SaberofAvalon, Wife, etc. and also comparing the hiryuu variant. Ultimately both work fine, however, more people are geared to dealing with Aquila so I get more damage done by using Hiryuu
I got your UID sir, time to delete acc 

Is Juneau good?
yes
How good is she in compared to others
pretty good
one of the best vg ship in pvp
Do you like seeing the rest of your ships alive? That's what she does well at, at the expense of her own mind you
what is the new pvp meta?
guys is vanguard good in pvp??
guys is unicorn kai good in pvp?
meta in pvp
meta sir
Can I say no?
unicorn kai replace perse?
Yes sir
is it the last day of pvp?
Yes
oh rip, only reached fleet admiral
you have two more refreshes
doubt that, my highest I got from reset was 15


unicorn with preload 
guys will new jerjey oath skin be meta in pvp??
Trolling aside, she might be Buff/support oriented
Will have to wait for Wednesday.
If she makes WK a god in PvP again could be interesting
how many resets do i have in pvp and when does the resets refill?
what is your timezone
the server is in LA time
oh right
i meant the change fleet kind of reset, how many of those do i have
to face a new set
over the course if 14 days ( a season) you'll have a total of 210 exercises
oh
5 a day
you get another 5 at 0:00 server time
okay.
you'll have those 5 for the 3 resets
i have to fight ppl ranked higher than me to get the full 10 pts for rank gain?
yes, if they have quite a bit more points you'll get +11
(35 points if you're above 1050 scores, it's less for the ranks below 1050)
yeah i'm mainly struggling to break past admiral rank
i really want the higher thresholds so i can earn more gold bulin
do you know of the sandbagging strategy?
i do not
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Kd-isT5Jac here's a guide on how to do it, essentially you just stay 5/10 before each reset attacking only players that will award you more than the default amount of points and then you go to 5/10 a bit before the next set of 5 exercises are given out
This is a guide for players looking to rank high in Exercises (PvP) in Azur Lane. The information in this video is a culmination of my personal experience reaching Admiral of the Navy and data mining. I believe this has been the most anticipated video of late. I was able to get it done in less than 2 months this time. Enjoy!
Other Accounts:
Dis...
thank you
if you have any questions for the video they can be answered, it's slightly outdated but it's enough to get you admiral of the navy rank with relative ease
and if you're struggling to win your battles players here can help with fleet building
okay, i'll keep that in mind


you're in the wrong channel 
What makes aquila so good in pvp?
preload good
is tenrai good at pvp? or better use it for pve?
its the best db for both pve/pvp





Did you even check the pins? Clearly you need 2 if you're trying to go for IJN build 
oh sorry i defiled the sacred pinned messages
Preload, gives Veneto a preload, counters other CVs
Recommendations? I don't have Italian.
Use a dd since helena doesnt do much on pvp i think.
Juneau
That’s a solid vg but backline leaves something to be desired
What are your other options
her barrage at like 10 s 2 shots most backliners
warspite only if you have good ap gun
iirc Izumo so far tanks 3 despacito shots from enemy warspite, not sure though. maybe FdG can too
izumo good?
For warspite, hsfcr or black shell?
HPFCR
Swap washing machine for boiler/gyro
use double speed juneau and put her middle
actually
dont put her mid
make her main tank and ancho mid
Yea
just double speed ig
Always keep Seattle right
Yea main tank Juneau is better at lower ranks
But can swap Anchorage and Juneau position easily depending on your opponent's fleet

I assume u mean against torp meme fleets?
Yea that's one example
just use lvl 1 juneau with manjuu
if you can handle it
we train like shaolin monks
Sandbagging under a waterfall while holding a lotus 
hi guys its the final reset of the day! anyone rushing Gensui?


may we all get rank 1 together
at the same time
You say this, but his final defense fleet didn't have her. Seems sus
If your wife doesn’t fight for u is she really your wife
maybe NArd is a
and wants Amagi server to have a chance at getting 
wow such a nice guy 
I'll be going Seydlitz this season, after she finishes her training arc
this season i want to try USS 
the real challenge is Nuzlocke mode, no resets allowed 
🤔 just dont fight your IJN or Morp? doable
with USS? 
US yes.
Then after comes the vanguard only fleet. Vanguard + Vanguard only
indep for vg and enty for shinaryuu
my wife provide me daily nutrient for battles
4 AM Kashino milk




no reset 
No reset leaves only one option if you lose...
Just use best fleet lv125 200♥ with best aux at +13 and achieve %100 skill procs and auto dodges
aka ranger
ranger would be ideal for this yes 
why/when does one put gyro/boiler on juneau?
💨
The thinkin gis the faster the VG the easier time they have dodging shelling/planes/barrages/torps. But the AI being wut it is, still chancing it regardless
I see
~~cute profile picture ~~


How many times a day do the attack attempts replenish?
thrice
Good?
who can u use instead of jean
Good enough.
Indep, Champy, UvH
indep or ulrich
uvh works so does indep, indep is better if u habe birmingham
UvH is pretty damaging if her skills are maxed and has the best gear.
Na jean is just bad
its not a must
or well
and u are just gimping urself using jean
below the curve more like
any french ships actually worth using besides jean
Jean's preload with Riche and some torpedoes has a small chance to sink the vanguard immediately. Against Anchorage defenses, this works against you.
I like JdA as a crutch. She's there for a specific counter if the opponent volleys time with her invincibility. But it's not often that will line up..
And she's very frail and will often die in the immediate preload.
Richelieu holds well without having to share with other French ships though
i m a poor little lvl 30 with lvl 35 ships, why is my exercice page always full of this, can t they just rank up i dunno? 
those guys never play their tickets u just gotta keep hitting refresh till u find a fleet u can beat
Main: fdg(flag) NJ and aquila (preload strike). VAnguard: anchorage (main tank), shinakaze (middle) and ägir off tank. good or bad?
swap agir with juneau
thanks, but im against juneau abuse lol
k
i ran out of refresh, people i can beat don t exist 
@keen silo lol
u think im kidding?

Joking isn't allowed in this channel
No, you have pinned image so must be God in pvp 
Lord Brah, please enlighten us PvP plebs on how we can receive the Holy blessing for a sacred pinned message 
||Git gud||
step 1: make semi legit fleet in fleetbuilder
step 2: ping mod
no problem toastyKaya from the Amagi server
Excuse me, did you just assume my server?
well you didnt put a clarification in your bio
Your assumption was indeed correct however
u shouldve put your server pronouns in your bio so ppl wont assume

At low levels, you will seldom find fleets you can beat. Best thing you can do is find the highest levelled fleet possible (not highest fleetpower) and lose to them, that way you still get half the exp you would have gotten if you won and the merit. The exp is better than any of the pve nodes that you can do currently
you have to assist people in player versus player help, then they might just consider you 
@jolly lichen This is the Sniper Fleet inspired by Unultra, one of the strongest PvPer in Amagi. The purpose of this fleet is to snipe one of the enemy backline quickly with Warkai's powerful barrage and Shima's magnetic straight torps. By sniping a backline early, you can set up for a strong 3 vs. 2 win condition even against the best of Mafia fleets.
To use this fleet against Mafia, simply set Warkai's position so that her barrage targets Aquila or VV (but preferably Aquila). Warkai equipped with a fast and strong AP gun such as the MK4 (which can be obtained from gear lab) will usually delete Aquila before she can launch her 2nd AS.
There are two other variants provided on the right for those who were not around during the Italian events. Both Chise and Perseus can be used as slightly weaker preload substitutes for
. The main difference between Aquila and Chise is that Chise is more DB focused with her 2/3/3 plane loadout vs. Aquila's 2/2/4. Perseus is also a good option given her recent event rerun and compared to Aquila and Chise, she is more beginner-friendly to equip.
new meta 

Clearly listen to me 
Fighting for the Amagi throne 
@untold crater someone's coming for your spot 
Fear my lvl 125 Portland 

You're gonna have to get past Spee cult to reach me 

😔
Suddenly their phones stopped working 
Imagine losing a season to bad wifi/data 

couldnt be me
Wait, is this all Amagi people right now? 
Don't have to, someone did it during the ALM challenge and I wrote a doujin about it


Yo 
Yes
Except for 1


Who isn't Amagi?
I love meeting Amagi friends!


Everyone here plays on amagi 
Mods 
You guys aren't forgetting drekinshambles and NoobAsian are you? 

Just haters
Nah, it's you
TW player 
In due time the leaderboard will tell the truth and your skill is undeniable
They couldn’t handle Amagi’s floof 
Play 1 season on TW and beat my peak by 10 pts




I hope to see you lot in the leaderboards, I’ll actually try this season 
Wasn't it no emotes allowed in #pvp?
You're right, no emotes allowed
thank you for rushing
sweaty
Rushers 
I'll make sure to use you for +1 whenever possible

when r u coming back?
At least I’m worth something 
I am kind of
fr?
Not really
thanks

Which is why we love you
If you battle me, ss it
I wanna see how bad my defense fleet handles 
Well, prob same as rest of Amagi 
I can't wait for @keen silo to reach top 1 at level 40 
so many pros 
I do autographs 
yes pls
I give you one now since this is the last time I’ll be top 100 




Yo
Yo
Yo

for pvp is unicorn better or volga
not both
anyone have the equip image of mafia team ?
i think my equip are outdated
tag me if anyone have it
I don't use those, but have you seen the pinned messages?
thanks , also is the meta still mafia?
whos vv
Vittorio Veneto
ah, alr thanks
what's the meta without VV rn?
We got pins
The most recent pins have been updated
No need to apologize
being quarantine for so long made me lose track of date and time 
No VV? Dw, I gotchu 
Still not pinned 
That's probably the nicer one that isn't so gear heavy either
My Seyd comp hasn't been pinned either

oh yea that's true 

I prefer riche/AQL/NJ if no vv
Might even be missing richi too
but yea Richie/Aql/NJ is better if opponent isn't running Anchorage ig
Not beginner friendly enough too many event ships

They just have to use perseus if they got her
this the Seyd fleet right?
What would be the best fleet one could make with only perma ships? 
Nagato is perma?
She is in heavy
Nagato hiryuu souryuu?
Nakaga / ancho/ Juneau / noshiro
I was thinking old nugget meta
basically old IJN 
no happening
I got whopped last season with old IJN so I gave up
Akaga can kill before 2nd AS of AQL or 2nd salvo of VV
That's it tho
Nakaga is prob your best bet
Need 2 tenrai and 2 wyvern at least

omg thanks Silent 
Yeah
It’s fine vitorio is the most replaceable
Pin that one too pls 
fdg or uvh also works in place of vv
PoW is budget NJ, change my mind
NJ but without the assblasting barrage
NJ without MVP
nj without the dmg and no manju
did someone say m*nju nj? 
i did
we dont use that slur here
you guys go for leaderboards?
wtf Unultra fleet pinned 
its good
rip server is gonna full of walls

perseus top alr done 2 weeks ago 
cv preloads and torp cancer is still a pain
follow the pins, pain no more


@keen silo am i fucked out of getting aotn yet
poggies
I'm pretty sure you're doing better than me 
its only week 1 u can keep going
you should sandbag. . .

Im new ish to pvp tryharding and due to timezones for me it's better to do all 15 attempts like nearish to server reset / right after
nearish to server reset is fine
can do like moving 10 at once too
When are resets for you, sam?
12 am 12 pm 6 pm
ah
it seems fine
12 pm especially, and sometimes 6pm, i get conflicts 
need to empty when you wake up then, so u have 10/10 after 6pm
Yeah exactly
I sleep at like 12:30
so i do 10 attempts before server reset then 5 immediately after reset
like for example if u wake up at 9am then can empty then, then can do pvp at like 11.50pm


2 realy strong cvs









