pvp

[frank pebble]

I have Riche and Seattle

[uncut agate]

Riche for UvH

Juneau/Anchorage/Seattle for vanguard

Seattle is fate sim 5 right?

[frank pebble]

rn iz dev 23. I spent most days getting georgia/saint louis to dev 30

[uncut agate]

Ah, then use Saint Louis in the meantime, she's decent with Richelieu

[frank pebble]

Riche>UvH for pvp? isn't Riche more of a manual ship?

[uncut agate]

Richelieu has a preload, she'll do fine.
Off-flag UvH suffers from damage reduction penalty PvP applies on BBs on the top her -45% main gun damage from skill

[frank pebble]

ah, also. independence retrofit, or chise?

[uncut agate]

I like Independence more, you can experiment with both

Yukikaze is also good instead of Saint Louis if you happen to have her

[frank pebble]

should I stick with wyvern, or go for a US torpedo bomber for inde?

[frank pebble]

I don't

[uncut agate]

Wyvern

[frank pebble]

oki, Imma pass out, but I'll try some of this stuff tomorrow. ty bunches!!!

[keen silo]

uvh is good on offense i think

[strange swallow]

is running preload cvs with Bf109's a good idea or do i just slap some tigercats on em instead?

[strange tide]

Tigercats are better because of the AOE.

[keen silo]

Seahornet is better than both

[keen silo]

also this isnt true

tigercats are better yes but not for the reason u think

[strange tide]

AA?

[keen silo]

[strange swallow]

Only got 1 seahornet so other cv gotta cope with tigercats

[dapper stone]

sea hornet always better? thought its sidegrade

[empty sinew]

it launches faster

so if it's a head to head tigercat vs seahornet, you'll win cuz ur faster

[cinder wolf]

riche+jb+perse have the spotlight for a while

[dapper stone]

what happened to them

[jolly lichen]

they got shredded after the first salvo because mafia came to town

[heavy seal]

Lost 1 fight. My dream of aotn is about to die

[jolly lichen]

idk how it is on your server but on avrora pretty sure it's doable to tap aotn even with like 5 lost fights if you're really minmaxing otherwise might even push it to 10

[north sentinel]

You can miss 15 exercises and still get aotn, ive done it many times

[candid sluice]

1 fight wont set u back aotn

just bag the points back

[untold crater]

Before Shinano

[cinder wolf]

amagi+2bb -> IJN META -> french -> 3 cv -> NJ -> mafia

iirc

[tall nimbus]

i literally don't remember french meta

[calm mica]

French definitely was before IJN meta, not after. BBs sucked after stealth update until Aquila/NJ came along

[river marsh]

use use every exercise and still can't reach admiral

despite winning all

[cinder wolf]

that because amagi just get nagato from rerun. ijn alr meta on older server

[silent shuttle]

on a scale of 1 to 10,how bad is UvH using Littorio's gun?

[cinder wolf]

11/10

overheat on salvo spam ship

[candid sluice]

french was only a thing on amagi server only cus not everyone joined during nagato event

[cinder wolf]

was a thing on other server too cus is just straight up negating juneau

[candid sluice]

other servers were using amagi nagato way more than richy

[tall nimbus]

so amagi plebs didn't bother pulling nagato?

even though she came after riche event?

[cinder wolf]

yea ofc, ijn pretty much stronger, even the cv meta was pretty much ijn variant

[candid sluice]

i always thought it was a goofy fleet anyw never worked against me lmao

[cinder wolf]

list i made is timeline of appearance

ezly works in amagi with black torps meme

[silent shuttle]

laughs in pasta

[candid sluice]

i got away using a fast vg never lost against em

pers always whiffed 818 and ofc richy whiffed as well

[tall nimbus]

i just switched to sandy if i saw an idiot using perseus

[cinder wolf]

u can get away with enty even, al pvp

[candid sluice]

i was literally using enty long island during that time lmao

[sleek quarry]

I use perseus because i dont care

Only team that can actually beat mine is one with top notch nj

Because shimikaze is broken

And sandy gets one shotted

[tall nimbus]

we were talking about old meta tho

either way perseus still shit

[keen silo]

[candid sluice]

bbbbut perseus is tier EX so she must be good

[tall nimbus]

dis y #pvp should be far away from gph

[candid sluice]

its only one channel below

[untold crater]

Perseus was never meta

Not on amagi at least

Just ppl using Riche/JB/Warkai

[dry socket]

this

shinaprise is working v well for me rn

[late heath]

We should make a tier list, put Kashino as EX and people will run her

[pseudo copper]

Kashino is hidden cheat card, so we should keep her hidden to keep pvp easier

[trail temple]

Yeah stop revealing your strats bro

No wonder people like Famine complain about defence fleets all day long with you guys leaking

[candid sluice]

just pull a famine and tell everyone to use manju nj

[trail temple]

They have and are

Lots of people using it

[flint python]

[coral wren]

Is Perseus better than Chise asukagawa for PVP? or should I use both of them to have 3 preloaded airstrikes on my opponents?

[keen silo]

Chise > Per

[coral wren]

I'll stay with Chise and Independence then

[candid sluice]

perseus bad

[flint python]

b.. but tier EX

[candid sluice]

tierlist bad

[rustic bridge]

V1 or v2

[candid sluice]

is there a V3

[untold crater]

V2 is better

[rustic bridge]

I have no v3

[fleet laurel]

fighter in pvp better the rocket fighter or F7F?

[flint python]

f7f/sea hornet

[untold crater]

Sea hornet is better than tigercat because launch time but both are better than bf109

[warm crow]

is hiryuu kai good at pvp? can i run her even without soryuu? thanks

[keen silo]

yes

[candid sluice]

shes better without soryu

[warm crow]

aight, thanks

[keen silo]

Hiryuu is best with shinano

[cinder wolf]

when theyre gonna release more of those tEX like perse, i want my fleet to full of tEX

[candid sluice]

maybe u should suggest more tEX in their server im sure that will go well

[viral quarry]

Is this good enough?

[flint python]

[candid sluice]

who tf is the one right main fleet

[viral quarry]

enty flat

[candid sluice]

to be brutally honest, that fleet sucks

lets see the rest of the ships u have first tho

[viral quarry]

hmm idk

i havent come up whit other fleet

[candid sluice]

send dock pics

[viral quarry]

oh no

...

[candid sluice]

like literally just send your entire dock here

we see what we can do

[viral quarry]

wait

loading up the game

[flint python]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/864969051163066409/867414533012979747/speepeLaffing.gif

[keen silo]

[viral quarry]

the game

is

lagging

[viral quarry]

done

[candid sluice]

three rows of ships is all u got

[flint python]

send all of em

[candid sluice]

sort by main and vg ships then send again

[viral quarry]

here here

[dry socket]

noooo the vg

[viral quarry]

errm..

[dry socket]

do you have a juneau sitting around anywhere

[viral quarry]

no

[civic lily]

Good? Also amagi or aquila?

[candid sluice]

aquila

but why nagato there

[candid sluice]

use your kronk and warkai

[viral quarry]

kk

[candid sluice]

enterprise isnt a bad starting ship either

i assume youre still lower down the ladder

[viral quarry]

idk about that

yes im realy low at the ladder

[civic lily]

Replace with jersey?

[candid sluice]

YES

immediately

[candid sluice]

also lets see your equips too

[viral quarry]

em sure..

[civic lily]

Oh, also fighter for aquila or no?

[viral quarry]

wait or abit

[candid sluice]

of course

[viral quarry]

done

the pic are just loading

[flint python]

aquilium

[flint python]

late send internet suck

[viral quarry]

yep

[flint python]

I mean my internet

[flint python]

use preload mode

[viral quarry]

same here the game load so low

[civic lily]

Thanks

[candid sluice]

i meant send all the equips u have in depot but thats fine too

[viral quarry]

i have bad equips

wait

[civic lily]

The one that uses fighter right?

[viral quarry]

4 pics is oke

[keen silo]

yes

sea hornet

[candid sluice]

ok hold on

lemme try to make a decent fleet for u

[viral quarry]

wait who me or the other guy..

[candid sluice]

you ofc

[viral quarry]

eh ok

[candid sluice]

is that all the vg u have btw

im sure theres more

[viral quarry]

ok

one question

what that mean?

[candid sluice]

vanguard ships

the frontline

[viral quarry]

oh wel im right at my thought

[candid sluice]

do u have any gold ap bb guns

[viral quarry]

Um yeqh

U want those pics?

[candid sluice]

sure lets see

[viral quarry]

Ok

[candid sluice]

man do u rly not have any other vg ships

wtv this is fine

[viral quarry]

Here...

[candid sluice]

huh alright

for future reference those quad356 guns suck

only keep one for kgv

youre better off using the purple triple 406

[viral quarry]

406 good ok

[candid sluice]

yes 406 good

alright heres what i came up with using the ships and equips u have

im just assuming u have those purple equips and the blues u can find easily

[viral quarry]

Ok ok il do it now hehhe

[candid sluice]

laffey is there cus shes the highest lvl ship u got

else i woulda slotted saint louis

[viral quarry]

I use Lois whem I'm grinding

[candid sluice]

by the way u should work towards getting pearls tear and beaver badge

they are great equips and pretty easy to get

they are in the collection tab

[viral quarry]

I for got about collection tab

[candid sluice]

yea go get those asap

when u get pearl replace zapdos aux with it and beaver replace a steering wheel

[flint python]

where your juneau

[untold crater]

Ofc lmao, we only just had had ISSS rerun so nagato's weren't leveled, they all had nagato way before Amagi

[candid sluice]

proving my point

[untold crater]

but french did become meta a bit after those SS I'm pretty sure

[untold crater]

the pre-manjuu days made juneau fleets lose always

[cinder wolf]

i mean the data is from defense fleet probably and people alr have their ijn setup put on in older server

early riche literally just destroying juneau and ppl shifting using boiler untill suzutsuki or dmg control arrives

cant remember which comes first

[untold crater]

suzu did

but she was there for a very short while

[candid sluice]

again missing the point but alright

[worn perch]

Iirc feench was never meta, got easily annihilated by ijn

[untold crater]

The extent of "french meta" was purely just 2 french ships, JB and Riche

[sinful kelp]

[late heath]

we're now in Kashino meta

[light crystal]

Meta Kashino when.

[dull hollow]

reverse juneau

when she dies

detonate massive explosion

[worn perch]

A ship that prevent enemies from healing would be gasss

[proven mulch]

But it will become useless when you fight offense enemies that doesnt even care about health and you forgot to change it lmao

[flint hound]

what are the best gear sets for Aquila, Vittorio in pvp? Them, NJ with Anchorage/Duca/Shima is very common team comp, yet for some reason their backline always seems to do better than mine. So I have to constantly reset until I get lucky and win

[flint python]

let us see your current gear

[keen silo]

maybe you are using pve gears

[candid sluice]

sea hornet 10rai wyvern and your choice of gas/wnt/beacon

[forest vapor]

Is the PR4 fighter bad in PvP? Or just bad into Anchorage comps?

[keen silo]

bad into anchorage and has no intercept so its bad lol

[candid sluice]

inconsistencies make it suboptimal

[forest vapor]

I see, Sea Hornet it is then

How's this then?

[candid sluice]

u dont have jersey?

other than a few equips that can be upgraded that looks fine

although u might wanna move the pearl to someone else

[forest vapor]

Joined around the end of Shimakaze event so no NJ :(

[candid sluice]

well that sucks but that fleet should work

did u pull shima tho

[forest vapor]

Only got 50ish pulls in, picked up a Katsuragi and a Hood but no Shimakaze

Hood did carry me through most of my early game though, no regrets there

[candid sluice]

yikes u missed out on two big ships

thats fine tho that fleet should take u a decent way up the ladder

[keen silo]

juneau manjuu if main tank no

[forest vapor]

I've found timing Juneau to be hard, she sometimes survives too long in the smokescreen with Manjuu

[worn perch]

maybe also put that crystal on yukikaze and maybe try swap juneau off-tank to adjust it

but yeah sometime its hard to have it perfectly, just gotta spread the heal out now

[keen silo]

also one thing salty missed was

fire extinguisher on yukikaze

idk

[flint python]

remove that rudder on Juneau

[candid sluice]

personally i wouldnt use blacktorp on that yuki and just go full defense

[keen silo]

550 + extinguisher yea

and quadmag

[forest vapor]

Like so?

[keen silo]

I would run 2x speed on juneau

or pearls + 1 speed

then ykkz goldburn + extinguisher

[candid sluice]

Do u have heels

[forest vapor]

Heels?

[candid sluice]

Wait nvm u haven’t joined at that time

It’s a aux from idmas collab

[keen silo]

Cosmic Kicks

[forest vapor]

Ah, way before my time

Yeah, I suppose I'll need more testing to find the ideal Juneau positioning

[keen silo]

Like i said

id go 1 speed on juneau

gyroscope or something

[candid sluice]

Juneau is all abt personal preference really

Die too quickly? Position different and swap aux

[keen silo]

yea

a lot of adjustment

[worn perch]

i like to use 2 boilers on juneau so my vanguards can go zoom zoom

[forest vapor]

I basically need Warspite to survive long enough to get 2 salvos + 2-3 DM procs off to win vs meta fleets

So Juneau dying too late leaves me without enough damage to kill their backline

[candid sluice]

Yea u just gotta find the adjustment that’s fit for your fleet

For my old one it was main tank boiler pearl

[forest vapor]

Alright, thanks for the advice everyone

[lean geode]

what’s the meta pvp fleet these days

[uncut agate]

NJ/Aquila/Vittorio Veneto + Anchorage/Shimakaze/Duca delgi Abruzzi

[lean geode]

thanks

[untold crater]

Kashino 0-1 fleet

Easy win

[strange tide]

Man, sure must be nice for that guy in number 1 to not have missed any fights this season.

[cinder wolf]

[strange tide]

[cinder wolf]

i missed 5 alr, not even worried

[untold crater]

I missed 1 and I'm still 10 behind matcha

[late heath]

just don't miss

[untold crater]

Can't defeat Matcha

[late heath]

but Kashino can

[keen silo]

missed 1 17 behind aldarn

bye bye top 5 eos

[strange tide]

Hm, do I go for it?

[oblique cobalt]

If #10 has <2202 then yeah you'll get it

[north sentinel]

you need someone 2168 or higher for a +11

[strange tide]

I know.

[oblique cobalt]

Pray it gives you higher ranked for the +10

[keen silo]

did you give up the bag

[strange tide]

Bag?

Oh.

Not really.

[cinder wolf]

do it

u can eat x3 +9

[worn perch]

Way too easy doing near reset

[strange tide]

Well it landed me the guy on 8th place as I got to 6/10, that's another +11.

[worn perch]

Im like 150 point away from first guy

Byebye aotn

[strange tide]

Welp.

[keen silo]

keep going lol

[oblique cobalt]

You goin' for top rank end of season or AotN reward merits?

[strange tide]

I mean top rank is impossible.

Missing two fights actually caused me to be too low compared to someone who's over 10 points above me.

[zealous wasp]

i snuck into top 10 after missing 4 once. though the scores were a bit low that season

[cinder wolf]

grab aotn and yeet

[strange tide]

I'm hesitating more because the +9s I'd get would cause me to have an even lower score than I'd otherwise get if I rushed it at the end of the season.

But it's not like I'd get top 10 at the end of the season, most likely.

[tall nimbus]

[keen silo]

[strange tide]

Oh hey 11th while I'm 12th.

[keen silo]

grats

[oblique cobalt]

Get lucky with rerolls if they give u +9s

[strange tide]

Restarting the game fixed the "highest rank".

[oblique cobalt]

First time?

Gratz

[candid sluice]

[zealous wasp]

grats

[strange tide]

See this is why missing the two fights fucked me over.

[oblique cobalt]

Meh, even with a perfect season rng can still screw you by a good couple points

[zealous wasp]

if you hadn't missed two fights, you wouldn't have gotten as many +11 either though

[strange tide]

Ehhh... I want to say that I would. At least close.

Considering how much I sandbagged.

[cinder wolf]

the saga is over

[strange tide]

[untold crater]

The end of an era

Now we just need to see latias go for rank 1

[candid sluice]

latias malding vol 2 when

[light crystal]

arrow malding vol 3 when

[keen silo]

wait for the overcap

[candid sluice]

Wait for the upcoming maint

[trail temple]

Wait for Medley 2.0 that kills all the baggers

[worn perch]

clapped

[keen silo]

how u losing to that using weeb fleet

[worn perch]

its just fun to see shina got smoked early

[tall nimbus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/516951413411020819/961440814603599892/ezgif.com-gif-maker_12.gif

[candid sluice]

How u gon lose to triple preload fleet

[keen silo]

[worn perch]

i actually won

[old portal]

Are any of these planes good for pvp?

Better than these ones in particular

[uncut agate]

first of all

[uncut agate]

These 3 planes are trash, the last one has a niche usage for timing adjustment in PvE

[uncut agate]

get the bf-109g, none of those equipment are made for PvP anyway

[candid sluice]

oh god did u +12 a zero

[old portal]

Thanks!

[candid sluice]

im sorry for your loss

[old portal]

Zeroes were historically very deadly planes so I thought they were good

[candid sluice]

well you see this game does not represent history very well

[old portal]

It this better than the Bofors STAAG

[candid sluice]

they server different purposes

that one is the best surface damage aa gun

while staag provides hit stat therefore good for your battleships

[old portal]

Thanks a ton!

[candid sluice]

npnp

[meager dawn]

anyone know who is a better trp buffer. yuudachi retro vs jintsuu retro. not sure which is better. I have noshiro and shimakaze as main trp dealer.

[tall nimbus]

jintsuu

but technically it doesn't matter since torpmemes would kill backline even without torp buffs as long as they hit

this ain't challenge or EX mode where you absolutely need to stack torp buffs

[toxic sleet]

Finally, my first time getting AotN, gonna cross that off my to do list

[untold island]

pvp fleet

or

[tall nimbus]

both

[keen silo]

:luigi:

[candid sluice]

fleet dependant

what rest of fleet

[untold island]

The usual

Mafia

NJ VV Aquila Anchor Duca

Also need equips

[candid sluice]

use shima

[untold island]

for gear?

[candid sluice]

your choice of either defensive with magtorps or offensive with teatorps blacktorp

tho if u using luigi she takes priority for your rainbow mags

[untold island]

I see

and the rest of the fleet?

I noticed I never reached the max rank

and you get some medal for it

I want it

[heavy seal]

Offmeta fleet

[untold crater]

What I use personally

[brazen socket]

For pvp should I slap a fdg gun on NJ or VV

[candid sluice]

why use fdg gun

[brazen socket]

good fast damage gun

or should I just avoid fast guns until I get 457?

[candid sluice]

whats your nj using right now

[fleet laurel]

anchorage torpedo better twin 550 or triple 550? and her second auxiliary should eagle damage control or goldburn?

[candid sluice]

ancho torp depends on what timestamp youre trying to cover, trip is solid for general timing

[candid sluice]

if u really had to use fdg gun i think it would work better on nj to spit out barrages faster

but u really gotta speedrun that 457

[flint python]

can go for the twin gun in gearlab

406mm mk4

[untold crater]

Mk4 or FdG gun both work

Mk4 better

[untold island]

Oh nice

gonna use this as template

[waxen lion]

wtf why is this a public channel now

[untold island]

why not

[waxen lion]

this isn't the #pvp i know sadge
any good offmeta experiments arrived since a couple months ago or is it still the same stuff

[candid sluice]

nothing new came out

of pvp significance

[waxen lion]

so i can sleep for ten more months gotcha

[candid sluice]

yea wait till yamato and iowa come out then come back

[last swan]

How can I beat this shit?

[pseudo copper]

Use mafia

Or weeb can work

[candid sluice]

weeb works fine against that

[forest vapor]

I did it! AotN without mafia/weeb

Praise the Warcorgi

[candid sluice]

[hardy bay]

using the same thing

[warm crow]

is there a pvp gear guide anywhere? thanks

[untold crater]

ALM made a vid for the basics

[warm crow]

thanks

[mental temple]

Is the HSFCR valued on shelling BB's, even if no timing is particularly needed?

[untold crater]

Yes because whoever fires first usually wins

But be careful not to make your BB fire at a bad time (say during anchorage's smokescreen)

[mental temple]

Gotcha. Thanks

[sour oasis]

[strange tide]

Oh okay, I guess I just get to pound rank 1 while at 137.

Somehow almost 70 points ahead of me, too.

[chilly viper]

Is it normal for me a level 55 to be shredding level 121s

[ancient skiff]

If they set a really bad fleet, yes

[strange swallow]

Ye its normal, some ppl set troll defense fleets on purpose (me included)

[chilly viper]

Hmm oke

[simple nest]

Would you say having UVH, New Jersey, and FDG as Main Fleet would be a brutal combo or would you suggest better?

[candid sluice]

There are far better backlines than that

[keen silo]

aquilium

[simple nest]

What would you suggest for BBs?

[candid sluice]

New jersey and vitorio are the two big boys

[north sentinel]

replace uvh for richy

[candid sluice]

Fdg fell off and uvh sucks in pvp

[keen silo]

triple bb with richelieu poogies

[tall nimbus]

triple bb

[calm mica]

3 times the water shooting action

[keen silo]

[royal beacon]

Why does enterprise in pvp always have inf evasion for short amount of time

[uncut agate]

did you read her skill?

[light crystal]

EN reads?!

https://tenor.com/view/azur-lane-dunkerque-gif-22031383

[light crystal]

If you're complaining about it instead, then it's cuz she won the War for the US, so they made her semi-special in game

[royal beacon]

I thought it only deal double damagr

[north lark]

Mmm. Somehow 100 percent winrate so far. Do vanguards not matter? I’m beating level 125 vanguards if their backline is not as strong. Howe kind of nukes their backline

[uncut agate]

at your rank it's normal to come across easy fleets frequently

[north lark]

Yeah. I’d say like 1 in two or so.

How does gear play a role in combat rating?

Feel like combat rating is deceptive sometimes.

[uncut agate]

fleet power? higher raity gear gives more fleet power

not every higher rarity gear is correct for the given situation

[north lark]

That’s it? Gear enhancements don’t matter?

[uncut agate]

gear enhancements are a given yeah

retrofits and the rarity of the ship itself also affects fleet power

[north lark]

I see. CVs are the scariest ones in PvP so far imo. Maybe because my AA is bad but is that true higher tiers?

[tired sparrow]

planes have 4x normal hp in pvp iirc

[north lark]

I see. Makes sense.

[keen silo]

get nitro

[light crystal]

brah, gift me nitro

[cinder wolf]

space battleship yamato will bring back bb meta

[flint python]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/864969051163066409/864972575570264094/23_-_9dZLX51.gif

nitro

[tall nimbus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/412759605827862569/961637314507964456/anyasex_skill_issue.gif

[keen silo]

[spare iron]

Whats the ship composition of choice now a days?

[candid sluice]

new jerjey

[fleet laurel]

recommended gear for shimakaze in pvp?

[candid sluice]

either teatorps blacktorp or magtorps pearl + 550

[cinder wolf]

torps pump

[violet widget]

pve disguised in pvp
no pvp in AL

[dry socket]

nagato retrofit

return of ijn

[devout belfry]

I learned the hard way I got powercrept.

Is 14K the floor now in PvP? Or higher?

[candid sluice]

14k what? Rank or fp?

[devout belfry]

Firepower

[candid sluice]

15k backline and 14k vg is pretty standard

Back can even go up to 17k reasonably

[late heath]

We’ll be getting UR Kashino

[tacit fulcrum]

I lost only one exercise and thats enough for not getting aotn

I give a fuck up

[candid sluice]

[last swan]

[cinder wolf]

that beyond skill issue

[untold crater]

[gloomy quartz]

[late heath]

[wintry forge]

The foxes still have it

[forest vapor]

You can technically get around this by rushing on Friday rollover (if you're on the West Coast you don't even lose sleep)

I lost 3 matches and still managed to clinch it because you dodge the first round of 2200 rushes

[calm mica]

[cinder wolf]

[late heath]

i overslept through 5 matches and still ended up top 10 EoS

mostly due to how OP Kashino is

[strange tide]

MOTHERFUCKER. I lost a fucking fight because his NJ had Manjuu and I didn't fucking reset before my Anchorage and then Abruzzi died.

Mother of a fuck.

I would have gotten a fucking +11 from it.

Oh my fucking god I'm so pissed off now.

His NJ somehow fucking killed both Veneto and Aquila in one go.

Fucking mafia defence fleets.

God I'm so incredibly pissed off.

This fucking motherfucker.

Holy shit, I'm so pissed off.

Now I'm essentially 3 fights behind because I fucking took too long to reset and he got fucking lucky.

God fucking dammit I'm actually incredibly pissed off.

Fuck this guy.

[untold crater]

El classico Latias

Was wondering where all the vigor went

[late heath]

went into DragonVV NJ

[strange tide]

Oh fuck off, I had kinda moved on over the fact I missed those two fights, losing this one because of bullshit like this just pissed me off even more.

[untold crater]

Just make up all the lost points bro

[strange tide]

[untold crater]

That's what I did this season

[strange tide]

AH YES.

I WAS ABOUT TO GET A +11, AND LOSE THIS FUCKING FIGHT BECAUSE OF STUPID BULLSHIT.

"HURR JUST MAKE UP LOST POINTS".

Fuck off.

[untold crater]

Pro-tip: manjuu damage control lasts for 8 seconds

[strange tide]

Yeah, and I THOUGHT I had seen his proc, but then it fucking 'procs' again, then Anchorage dies, and then somehow Abruzzi dies fucking instantly before giving me time to reset.

[untold crater]

Oh

I have a new tip that's actually useful

When red/blue skills proc, the ships light up with that color

So NJ will be blue when her manjuu procs 👴 👍

[strange tide]

Doesn't help that in those couple of seconds before Anchorage died, I had noticed my main fleet had suddenly gone from Veneto and Aquila to all dead.

So, again, I didn't have time to fucking reset.

God I'm so pissed off by this.

[untold crater]

Talking about when you thought you saw the skill proc, now you just need to look at NJ and you'll always know if it has proc'd

[strange tide]

Fucking hell.

Watch, I'm gonna spend the rest of my fights later, and I'm gonna be under 10 points behind rank 1.

Because I lost that fight.

[untold crater]

Even if you're on sandy

There's no way 2564-2568 will be -10 on rank 1

I'll say rank 1 will be 2588-92

[strange tide]

2600 is impossible.
I'll say rank 1 will be 2588-92.

Make up your fucking mind.

[untold crater]

?

2600 isn't impossible, it's been done on other servers, just will happen very rarely outside of Avrora server (For EN)

[strange tide]

Oh, never mind, you weren't the one who said 2600 is impossible.

[untold crater]

Plus Sandy is on the less competitive side of PvP so 95+ probably won't happen

(this season)

[uncut agate]

2600 is a group effort

[candid sluice]

manju nj good??

[late heath]

manju kashino

[cinder wolf]

manju nj meta

[last swan]

Latias might be the most active member in here

[zealous wasp]

manjuu nj

[keen silo]

ok lets try to get it next week

[north lark]

Always a nice day when you find someone that shows a clear preference for a certain type

[swift radish]

Wall

[untold crater]

Is that Amagi server?

[north lark]

No. Not Amagi

[untold crater]

Nvm yea

[north lark]

How fast does it take for you guys to rack up 20k merit points?

I really want Duke of York in my shop rn but I'm down like 7k

[calm mica]

Jamaica actually isn't eagle union 🔎

[keen silo]

1.5 weeks?

idk

[north lark]

So enough for once every season then

[untold crater]

Get like 25-27k a season

[north lark]

Oh wow

Maybe I'm not fighting enough

[untold crater]

If you're righting rank 8k yeah

[keen silo]

just win all your excercises

and dont overcap

Fastest way to merit is just to do pvp twice a day

[untold crater]

15 exer every day

[north lark]

I am winning my exercises. Except I started 10 days ago...

So couldn't really do exercises for the first 3 days

Since way too low level

[keen silo]

ah

[north lark]

I'm now rank 7.5k tho

[untold crater]

Oh you're new

[keen silo]

then theres no rush just slowly as they come

[north lark]

Mhm. Just trying to get the Duke of York. Was hoping she'd come out next season but no luck

Rolled into my shop rotation today

[keen silo]

next season starts tomorrow

[untold crater]

The shop refreshes everyday, no?

[north lark]

It does. But does it change the SR ship too?

[untold crater]

No idea actually

[north lark]

I swear it was stuck on South Dakota for 4 days straight

Maybe even longer

I don't remember

[keen silo]

idk of it does but u can spot it

[north lark]

Oh shit

The medal exchange SR character

Changes tonight

[keen silo]

@untold crater rank 1 today?

[north lark]

Y'all are nuts

[candid sluice]

merit shop does rotate every day

just wait a few more days till doy rotates back

and rack up merits in the meantime

[untold crater]

Me beating matcha with 1 missed? not in this dimension

[keen silo]

same bro. i went from top 2 to top 10 if im lucky

[uncut agate]

Hell no, I need to catch up on my sleep

[keen silo]

U back to retirement after today?

[untold crater]

I'll rank 2 for sure, just probably not win

[uncut agate]

I'll be back to light bagging after today, still need the merit

[keen silo]

can just rush for us

[uncut agate]

Ok

[keen silo]

[strange tide]

Hey look I'd be at 2585 if I hadn't lost those 30 points and I'd be in rank 1.

[untold crater]

Can't get through to some people

[keen silo]

al

[calm mica]

[untold crater]

Can't wait to finish 2590 and say "if I didn't Miss I would have gotten 2600"

[trail temple]

I missed 5 exercises at the start of the season, if it wasn't for that I'd be almost 2700

[candid sluice]

if i didnt miss 120 tickets at the start of the season i would be top1 right now

[uncut agate]

Season ends in 3 hours

[strange tide]

Yes, I know, so what?

[uncut agate]

how can you be sure 2585 will be rank 1 eos if it's not eos yet?
or you didn't mean eos rank 1?

[strange tide]

I mean I'd be rank 1 when I posted that screenshot.

[calm mica]

You can still be rank 1 with 2575

[strange tide]

And this one fucking mafia fleet that I keep fucking resetting against is pissing me off even more.

Fucking hell.

[royal beacon]

Not even 6 star anchor 💀

[north lark]

What is a mafia fleet? Sorry

[uncut agate]

I use FdG to burn down Aquila nowadays

[uncut agate]

the one in the screenshot

with NJ and Italians

[strange tide]

Gee, I'm gonna end with 2555 at most, fucking fantastic.

God that loss is still pissing me off.

[worldly cape]

The current problem in PvP is that main fleets die earlier than vanguards

Stupid aux idea: Magnetic Disruptor: While the equipped ship is alive, all torpedoes lose their magnetic property

[calm mica]

PvP has a problem
Stupid idea: Make problem worse

[keen silo]

imagine caring about rank when it isnt eos/ aotn rush

[candid sluice]

[dapper stone]

Do tickets carry over season reset? Or do I spend them all now

[uncut agate]

Spend them all now

[candid sluice]

tickets do not roll over to next season

[dapper stone]

Ty

[strange tide]

[calm mica]

Just huff a little copium and don't refresh, then we can pretend we're first

[candid sluice]

just dont look at the leaderboards 30sec before season end

[tall nimbus]

just dont

[late heath]

just don't lose

[pseudo copper]

You can't lose if you don't play

[untold crater]

For once it wasn't Spee cult domination

But shiranui cult domination

[keen silo]

[old portal]

What’s the best dive bomber in the core shop?

[coral wren]

either the gold swordfish for slow or the barracuda for armor breaks

neither is great dps

[wide gazelle]

whats the meta fleet to run in pvp currently?

like backline and vanguard?

[candid sluice]

none of em are particularly great but apcuda has high crash dmg and fairly quick launch time

[candid sluice]

new jersey vitorio aquila anchorag shimaka luigi

[wide gazelle]

luigi?

[candid sluice]

duca delgi abruhzzi

[cinder wolf]

you guys lucky, i got 2560 with 5 missed matches, else id be 2610 ez

[late heath]

only 2560

i'd have gotten 2669

[cinder wolf]

[wide gazelle]

goddamn bro that lineup is bussin

thanks a lot

[candid sluice]

really should get a pin for that ppl ask this at least twice a day

[cinder wolf]

janny is a difficult work, man

don't push em

[humble geyser]

Ping me and I’ll pin it

[humble geyser]

[flint python]

give me amagi ban badge

[candid sluice]

1 flag 2 top 3 bottom 1 tank 2 squish 3 off
please message my secretary Carlos for additional information

@humble geyser pin that instead with the equips too

[humble geyser]

Thx

[candid sluice]

[cinder wolf]

u'd overwork the janny

[dry socket]

[keen silo]

why manjuu not on nj? 🚮

[candid sluice]

because thats not officially endorsed by the lord aotse

[light crystal]

Hey guys, is Emden going to be meta

[cinder wolf]

yeah two ships is better than one

[keen silo]

[candid sluice]

lil eugen gonna be new meta??

[keen silo]

[north lark]

How would you level up a ship from fresh? I'm out of books and I have a few level 1s I want to level. San Diego, Monarch, and Hermione.

Should be possible to use mainfleet in world 9 even if they're lvl 1 no?

[royal flare]

Put them into a few commissions for a bit. Especially the long one (10-12 hour one).
Unless you only mean the skills. Hence books

[north lark]

No I mean exp books

[royal flare]

You'll just have to farm up books.
Check the store, commissions, medal trade, weekly tasks etc and hope you get some in older levels and farm them up.
Otherwise you can't level up the skills at all.
I think you can still buy some from akashi with real money too. If you're desperate

[candid sluice]

Usually I drop new ships into the dorm for a bit till they’re high enough level to throw in 12-4

Oh wait u mean level skills

Yea u just gotta get lucky with shops and buy every book u see that doesn’t cost gems

[cinder wolf]

just buy the book packs

[late heath]

just swipe

[untold crater]

Do the book mission, I get books 100% of the time when I do it

[late heath]

if you take Kashino out to a very nice dinner, you'll get more books

[shrewd rover]

I was within arms reach of the number 1 position in Amagi

And then I got owned by a Shimakaze and Anchorage

Twice

Need to rethink my pvp fleet

But I don't have many 125s

[untold crater]

What ships do you have

If you're losing on amagi then

[forest vapor]

wait like number 1 right now, or number 1 yesterday?

[shrewd rover]

NJ
Saratoga
Lexington

Z23
Sanrui
Kawakaze

[untold crater]

Right now obv

[untold crater]

And in your dock?

[forest vapor]

what ships do you have?

[shrewd rover]

Probably a bit ago
They had an FdG secretary

[shrewd rover]

Vestal
Perseus
Maryland

Abruzzi
Frisko
Boise

Then a ton of level 100s with crappy equipment
Also have basically all URs minus Shinano

[forest vapor]

Okay so you were around for the italian event, you have Aquila and Vittoria Veneto?

Also does this mean you have shimakaze too?

[shrewd rover]

Yup
Used Shima to grind XP for Ibuki

[shrewd rover]

Unfortunately my luck was not that good and so I didn't get these girls

[untold crater]

You have Vittorio Veneto and Aquila?

Oh nvm

[forest vapor]

If you have anchorage, Anchorage/Shimakaze/Duca is solid

[untold crater]

Hold on

Try something like this?

Not equipped fleet but it works well

[forest vapor]

Does he have a dev 30 FdG

[shrewd rover]

Will try it in 5 hours

[shrewd rover]

My dev 30s are Sanrui
Ibuki
And izumo
Gonna have Azuma in a day or so and she'll be
Also working with UvH to get her up

[untold crater]

if you dont have d30 fdg you can try warspite

[forest vapor]

^Warspite retrofit is very solid

[shrewd rover]

Any equipment advice for Warspire
Don't have any Rainbow equipment but I can basically make anything in the gear lab

[untold crater]

Use Mk4 or champ gun

Any of these work

[shrewd rover]

Alrighty
Thanks for the tips guys

[forest vapor]

Is it worth crafting the Gear Lab twin 406mm AP gun if I'm still far off from my second 457mm?

I have 3 wyverns and all the STAAGs I need already so electronics aren't a huge bottleneck

[shrewd rover]

The gear lab Twin 406 is pretty good
I used it on my Maryland
Solid 20 second reload + 10% damage increase

[untold crater]

what is this for? if pve dont ask me

im carrier abuser in pve, only BB i use is NJ with my 457

[forest vapor]

I'm considering if its more efficient to swap Richey for an AP barrage gun for pvp, or is it not worth the tradeoffs?

[untold crater]

use HE on Richelieu

[calm mica]

It's nice to push timing on support BB like DoY. It's only useful in pvp if you're missing 457 though

[forest vapor]

Only have one, using it on Warkai, but wondering if having 2 AP guns are better, or is it worth having an HE BB for the burn DoT

[calm mica]

Definitely useful to have either VV or Riche use HE gun

[untold crater]

yeah they have HE based skill

[calm mica]

With preload you get DoT when it actually will matter most

[forest vapor]

I see I see

Just have to pray Anchorage smoke doesn't eat the salvo

Thanks

[fading wing]

is a rank 64 opp too low for first fight of reset 2 or should I wait

[untold crater]

well it depends on what your rank is

if you're rank 10, fighting rank 64 wouldn't be ideal

[simple sky]

Is perseus good for pvp or just mob fleet?

[cinder wolf]

mob

[jolly lichen]

she's decent enough if you're missing a preload reveal at the start

[keen silo]

no

shes bad

if u dont got preload just use a weeb stally fleet

[jolly lichen]

dunno where you're coming from but preload is preload, only case where it might fail is maybe mafia but at that point the rest of your fleet is probably too weak to be competing anyway

[keen silo]

Weeb fleet > any fleet with perseus

[uncut agate]

[jolly lichen]

[keen silo]

pro player

[candid sluice]

no dont use pers in exers at all

[tall nimbus]

this is why #pvp should be away from gph

[keen silo]

[trail temple]

There's definitely some misinformation going around atm

[untold crater]

Perseus can be used but she's not gonna be your first choice

[keen silo]

[jolly lichen]

yeah idk what the big circlejerk is, but she works

just like enty and warkai still work in a pinch, not everyone is sitting on full +13 mafia and laughing at people who use anything even a hair weaker

[keen silo]

who uses mafia

just use weeb fleet

[jolly lichen]

most recent pinned example apparently does

[tall nimbus]

yeah she works if your goal is just be top 1000

or beat some pleb ass team

[jolly lichen]

I'm certain you can go much higher than that

this is EN pvp, not JP nor CN

[tall nimbus]

ded server if you can go higher than top 1000 with perseus

[jolly lichen]

so all of them, thanks for the input

[keen silo]

[candid sluice]

the only way perseus is gonna do any amount of damage is if u heavily invest in her

im talking about +13 sea hornet +13 wyvern with +13 auxes and 125/200

i highly doubt a "new player" has access to those things

[jolly lichen]

she could literally be a wet noodle, if it gets you to the finish line gear is secondary

[keen silo]

pvp is basically gear contest and u say its secondary

[candid sluice]

you cannot be serious

[keen silo]

Salty jus leave it

[candid sluice]

i can use nj vitorio aquila fleet but use dog ass equipment and they will do less work than a waifu fleet

literally lose to atago eugen fleet

gear secondary my left toe

[jolly lichen]

now you're taking me saying one ship gearless and extrapolating to a whole fleet, who's grasping at straws now

[keen silo]

its just an example to show how gear matters

[jolly lichen]

at least try to stay logically consistent

[cinder wolf]

[candid sluice]

what are you talking about

[jolly lichen]

can't hear yourselves over this echo chamber apparently

[candid sluice]

im saying pers doesnt work

[jolly lichen]

I'm saying she works fine

[candid sluice]

she doesnt tho

where would she work

other than really low ladder

[keen silo]

so silent, do you have experience using perseus

[jolly lichen]

I do

[keen silo]

when was that?

before mafia?

[candid sluice]

and if the "echo chamber" consists of people who are competent and knows anything about pvp i dont see why thats a bad thing

[jolly lichen]

again if you read up I mentioned yes she might struggle against mafia, so pick some fights that aren't only mafia

apparently they aren't competent if they only parrot one thing all of the time

[keen silo]

thats kind of the issue with anything higher than mid ladder tho

in order to hit movers u have to hit mafias more than 0 times

so your argument that it doesnt matter kind of falls flat on its face

[candid sluice]

ah yes because agreeing on one point is now parroting

[tall nimbus]

that's because it's pvp there's only one or two meta at a time

not like pve where you can have multiple meta teams

[keen silo]

trying to make perseus meta viable at a decent elo range

[trail temple]

Let's go back to the original question:

Is perseus good for pvp or just mob fleet?
If she struggles against mafia, which is going to the most common thing you'll see high up in the ladder, then the answer is a resounding no.
If he asked whether Perseus was viable, now you would have slightly better argument on your hands

[candid sluice]

the only place i could even see pers working is if youre low ladder and just using her to reveal backlines alongside warkai

[keen silo]

is going to be rather difficult

[candid sluice]

and even then shes not great

[keen silo]

andy is correct

[candid sluice]

the opportunity cost in using her over some other ships doenst justify her position in the fleet

[keen silo]

tbh I would rather use chise over percy

[cinder wolf]

guys, perse tEX

[keen silo]

or even Hiryuu

[candid sluice]

even back in the funni preload fleet times she wasnt even considered

[jolly lichen]

the entire point was your only preload was perseus, no chise, no aquila

[candid sluice]

it was aquila vitorio richy with torps vg

[jolly lichen]

[candid sluice]

and that was before anchorage was a thing

so lmk how perseus does with tons on anchorages on the ladder nowadays

[keen silo]

fdg is a better revealing bot

[tall nimbus]

triple bb would work better than perseus

[keen silo]

than perseus

[candid sluice]

please tell me one place that you would use perseus that is not in low ladder

im am truly curious

[keen silo]

the meme triple cv defense fleets

except those are so free

[candid sluice]

theres only one guy that i know of on my server who uses triple preload

and it does not work

full 125/200 and everything

[keen silo]

1 in lexington too so trash

[uncut agate]

revealing the backline at the start isn't necessary anyway, i use mafia but still lose to weeb fleet anyway

[keen silo]

perseus legit isnt meta viable

the trick is to change the torps fluffs

change to quadmag

[uncut agate]

[keen silo]

thats literally how people counter my fleet

[candid sluice]

back when pers was the only preload carrier she wasnt even consistent at revealing backline

juneau could proc aa mode and her planes melt

[cinder wolf]

cmon guys, perse somewhat decent like last year, let em hv it

[keen silo]

Honestly saying perseus is decent is like saying warkai still good

[candid sluice]

and dont even bring up the goofy 818 pers

[keen silo]

even warkai is better meta place than perseus

even uvh is better

[flint python]

lmao

Perse tier EX amirite

[cinder wolf]

[keen silo]

[trail temple]

About CN pvp btw, I have their top 100 from the second half of August last year, top score was 2563

[keen silo]

[flint python]

jp pvp pepelaff also

[trail temple]

Avrora at the same time was 2599

[keen silo]

time to move to japan, perfectly fits my sleep schedule

bye everyone

[flint python]

that's why I quit jp

[cinder wolf]

watched some jp/cn pvp stream, its just the same

[keen silo]

kei ill top 1 with your account

[cinder wolf]

idk where ppl get the idea that theyre in another lvl

[keen silo]

looking at EOS scores does not make you a pvper guys

[trail temple]

2609 was JP's top that season

Actually, riddle me this, and purely for my own curiosity, what is JP defence fleet like?

[cinder wolf]

same mafia

[keen silo]

go ask quyet or something

maybe he’ll finally tell us what white shell is?

[flint python]

jp defense loli fleets

[cinder wolf]

ask @flint python

[keen silo]

[flint python]

idk now tho last time I played end of 2020

[trail temple]

I'd if anyone got the loadouts of the defence fleets he fought, what he defines as meta and what we do are two completely different things

[keen silo]

[trail temple]

It lines up with what I heard from others who are in the JP scene

[cinder wolf]

watched some stream last month, meta almost the same with slight variant

like some opt out juneu/duca/noshi

[trail temple]

You'll get the same meta fleet, think the difference lies in quantity of good def fleets, at least that's the message I got

[cinder wolf]

core still nj aquila

i see lot more noshi tbh, maybe cus theyre biased toward own ship

[keen silo]

Noshiro over duca wtf

[trail temple]

Maybe they wanna throw off timing?

[keen silo]

hmm, maybe

[trail temple]

I get it but, didn't like it overall

[keen silo]

vv timing?

[trail temple]

Yeah

[keen silo]

yeah 40% seems like the sweet spot

or 55 maybe

[trail temple]

That and Noshiro does boost Shimakaze's torp damage

[keen silo]

I can see why too

[trail temple]

You just lose out on slow torps which can hurt vanguard

[keen silo]

but maybe just ancho shima juneau better?

[cinder wolf]

noshi buff torps and reduce vang torps dmg taken

[flint python]

I like preload vv better to start fire on backline

[keen silo]

ye idk whether that better than juneau tho

[flint python]

if it doesn't miss

[keen silo]

granted, i have 0 experience with mafia

i only play weeb

the salty of lexington

[tall nimbus]

[cinder wolf]

salty only play weeb cus he missed aquila tho

[keen silo]

lets not start

[cinder wolf]

[tall nimbus]

[cinder wolf]

you missed the entire event

[keen silo]

rerun when?

[flint python]

[keen silo]

[fading wing]

Soonish technically

[cinder wolf]

welp weeb doing just fine anyway so who cares

[keen silo]

weeb = good
mafia = better

[fading wing]

Pizza was what after that IB event which was after shinano

[keen silo]

Strasser event?

[fading wing]

Ye

[cinder wolf]

as long not missing nj is all good

[keen silo]

miss nj = gg

[fading wing]

Missing NJ is fine unless you care about End of season

[keen silo]

tip: most people in this channel have done serious eos runs at least once

[fading wing]

Then yeah gg I guess

[worn perch]

[cinder wolf]

do they still make those eos graph?

[keen silo]

yea

its in alm

[candid sluice]

envy still updates his spreadsheet

[keen silo]

[candid sluice]

same link as always