pvp

[dull hollow]

where's

CHIHAYA

KISARAGI

[somber axle]

The PVP professional expert master guy said NJ is T1, so she's definitely T1.

Please ignore Aoste's NJ ranking.

[light crystal]

She going places.

[candid sluice]

anchorage shooting at my backline is possibly the least threatening thing to see

[light crystal]

Drakegun says hi

I guess the average Amagi player wouldn't have a Drakegun to b able to put on their Anchorage to begin with

[candid sluice]

Drake gun won’t help a ship that does zero damage in the first place

BB secondaries will melt her way before she can do any damage with drek gun

[light crystal]

Have u looked at her FP and maingun Eff? And she still has 2 gun mounts

[candid sluice]

That do zero damage

[thin cosmos]

and compare to BB subgun))

[tall nimbus]

drake gun damage would make sense if there was no HP multiplier in pvp

[tall nimbus]

virgin 2 mgm drek gun vs chad 3 mgm dd gun

[thin cosmos]

200% eff. 3 mount

[thin cosmos]

I can't see your point

[tall nimbus]

its a meme dont mind it

[thin cosmos]

but yes she can do"some damage"

just not enough to bring victory in 99%case

[tall nimbus]

i dont see that "some damage" on a 23k hp NJ

[candid sluice]

Oh wait I forgot

[tall nimbus]

manjuu makes that worse

[candid sluice]

Yea guys ancjorag gun damage good make sure u put her on all your defense fleets

[flint python]

ok I'll use my anchorage

should I also give her drekgun

[candid sluice]

Of course because rainbow = good

[light crystal]

How so? Are you implying ppl Manjuu their NJ? Cuz in that scenario it means she's doing less dmg anyway, so u can survive her secs for longer longer

[tall nimbus]

anchorage can't kill NJ to save its life, can't even proc manjuu on NJs that use manjuu

if u wanna argue whether or not NJ manjuu is good or not, i won't bother since its situational

my point is anchorage can't kill NJ 1v1 manjuu or no manjuu

[light crystal]

Its. ITS.

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-visible-confusion-confused-gif-14771834

[light crystal]

Well yeah, but if NJ is low enough, should still be able to kill confirm. Chances are, if your backline is dead, and the NJ is full HP, you were probably gonna reset anyway by that point

[candid sluice]

Grammar guru strikes again

If anchovy is in nj face her shots are guaranteed to go for backline

[flint python]

anchorage gets shredded vs backline secondaries anyway

[tall nimbus]

can't believe i got grammar nazi'd in pvp channel

[light crystal]

||It's not the grammar I'm worried about, it's more like treating my waifu like an object||

[flint python]

oh wait my Anchovy in amagi server isn't dev 25/30 yet but she should still be good right? our lord and savior T0 ship

[candid sluice]

You might want to consult the tierlist lords about that because they tier based on dev30 fatesim10 level 130

[flint python]

dang it

[covert swallow]

my anchovy has drek gun, am I doing it right

[light crystal]

You're doing it left

[dull hollow]

my anchovy is uh

[covert swallow]

you guys complaining about low dmg on anchorage, just use Fumo duh, problem solved

thank me later

[candid sluice]

+13 that drek gun too while u at it

Rainbow = good after all

Also rainbow torps on anchovy too because rainbow = good

[dull hollow]

+13 skem radar

[untold crater]

good idea

for you

[candid sluice]

You’re missing +13 oxytorps so she can do damage to new jerjey

[untold crater]

i have failed you

used all my gen plates on my manjuu's

[candid sluice]

Don’t worry at least you can put one on each of your jerjeys

[calm mica]

This image makes me realize how much we need rainbow AA

[brazen socket]

Would jeanne do better than seattle in my pvp attack and defense fleet?

[candid sluice]

What does jeanne do in that fleet

[brazen socket]

Make duca and shima tankier I guess?

[calm mica]

I think the main point of Duca and Shima are their preloads. Seattle anchor is perfectly fine from what I can tell

[candid sluice]

Jeanne is just a worse anchovy

[tawny salmon]

How bad is anchovy

[candid sluice]

U tell me tierlist boy

[tawny salmon]

On pvp

Since you guys kept sperging on ancho bad

[tall nimbus]

anchovy + shimakaze + duca is the only viable anchovy team i've fought

every other anchorage team is trash

and even anchovy shima duca would be easily countered by juneau shima duca

[tawny salmon]

Wont stacking antitorp just counter shima duca comp

Like vv noshi

[tall nimbus]

doesn't work suprisingly

i thought of that as well

turns out shimakaze duca damage is just too op

[tawny salmon]

I mean it did well i fought someone with that comp

[thin cosmos]

might back line torp burge only work but...

[tawny salmon]

Also i had ancho to take on those torps

[tall nimbus]

dunno wat to tell you

[thin cosmos]

that someone might be not teatorp

[tall nimbus]

either you didn't fought it enough times or that team is poorly geared

which is a usual thing that happens

[tawny salmon]

I did fought them alot

Still doing fine i guess

Might not remove anchovy until it starts failing me lmao

[thin cosmos]

why did you ask then?

[tawny salmon]

Just asking whats the hate on anchovy

I see chat msgs just shitting on her

[thin cosmos]

anyway the answer for you guys is always "Might not remove anchovy until it starts failing me"

[tall nimbus]

i blame the anchovy overhype for the amount of shit she gets right now

[still minnow]

Does anyone have a calculator that works for pvp?

[tall nimbus]

[still minnow]

to find eHP and DPS and stuff

for example I want to find out if dido with 2 AA radars is more durable against rocket planes than VH armor azuma

and I have no way to do without a calculator

[untold crater]

I'll help you out

Dido and Azuma suck in pvp

[tall nimbus]

[thin cosmos]

I saw that calculator at past so it might be still there

[still minnow]

that doesn't help me at all, that just annoys me

[thin cosmos]

so try google

[still minnow]

where did you see that?

I've already tried google

[tall nimbus]

if you want to hear the nice version of what yukana said:

either choice doesn't really matter

[still minnow]

no I don't dude

[tall nimbus]

dido would get smacked by HE shells

[still minnow]

I want to calculate it

I don't care, I want to calculate it

[tall nimbus]

azuma would get smacked by airstrikes

[still minnow]

https://github.com/Enbayft/Random-AL-Stuff/blob/master/DPS_eHP.xlsx

I found this calculator

but it doesn't seem to work for what I want

[tall nimbus]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HF6_hLEB8m_v0stp4DLGnIoDjgojvo7fjYz-cysjTMc/edit#gid=0

there

now go

there's backline AVI ehp, vanguard ehp on HE and AP

and regular backline ehp

oh wait there's no regular backline ehp

[thin cosmos]

as always I feel game communities lack scientific method to research

[still minnow]

what's the shadowbuff tab?

[thin cosmos]

and more problem is people can't see that's big problem

[still minnow]

thing I don't understand is why when I ask a very specific question

with a very specific answer

and then people just go off and talk about why I sohuldn't even be asking the question in the first place

[tall nimbus]

shadowbuff is the EVA increase on destroyers and light cruisers

[thin cosmos]

you need controll group and contrast group at least...

[tall nimbus]

that was on the level 125 update but was never mentioned in patch notes

[still minnow]

this was added with the update that gave the destroyers the weird abilities?

[thin cosmos]

but so far only me try that stuff

[tall nimbus]

added on level 125 update

[still minnow]

did they improve the forumla to be less punishing when interacting with the high-accuracy bosses or is it just some extra evasion stat?

[tall nimbus]

[thin cosmos]

DD and CL got additional stats as I know

[still minnow]

I don't think this chart is able to help me. Basically what I want to do is input the enemy ship's armor modifiers, damage, and stats

and then input my own ship's armor type, stats, and other skill-buff %s

and then have it give me a number

the problem with the spreadsheet that I currently have is the ammo type

it doesn't let me set what the modifiers are

[tall nimbus]

pretty sure no one here can help you with that

you'd need to do the calcs yourself

[still minnow]

I'm gonna freak it

On a topic that can actually be answered

it seems to me like the AP dd gun will do more damage to the enemy vanguard than tashgun because it can penetrate right?

[thin cosmos]

y

+bullet speed

major concern for DD gun also reload time not just DPS

[still minnow]

I also notice the AP gun has 360 firing an tashgun doesn't

doesn't matter normally but pvp ships drive weirdly

[thin cosmos]

so basically we don't use tashgun

[tall nimbus]

ships rarely go behind BBs anyway

dd gunboat damage can be ignored

[still minnow]

I'm not using any BBs :)

I'm trying to shoot down aquila preload to keep my CVs stealthed

[thin cosmos]

it also lack 10 stats

[tall nimbus]

veneto gonna have a happy day fighting AA focused crap

[still minnow]

yeah I know you want me to be meta

I get it

can we move on

does the damage reduction from VH plating apply still if it changes the armor type from medium?

or are they mutually exclusive?

[thin cosmos]

no

[still minnow]

okay so am I understanding this correctly:

because your hp in pvp gets more than doubled

then gaining a % hp is far superior to gaining a % damage reduction

because not only is damage reduction not additive, but it also doesn't get doubled by the pvp formula, making it far inferior

is this interpretation correct?

[thin cosmos]

?

think again

it's so easy answer

[still minnow]

if it's so easy then explain it to me instead of being condescending

[thin cosmos]

you get damage reduction for all doubled hp

[still minnow]

you have to choose though

if you would get a x1.05% boost to your base HP

[tall nimbus]

how do you get increase %hp?

[still minnow]

or x1.05% boost to damage reduction

[tall nimbus]

anyway just to answer your question

%hp is always better than damage reduction

since damage reduction doesn't work on dots

like burn or flood

[still minnow]

ah I didn't know that

so if I get hit by a gun that does 100 damage and it sets a burn and I have 20% damage reduction

do I get a 100 damage burn or an 80 damage burn?

[tall nimbus]

100 damage burn

[still minnow]

lol

that's fucked

so the 5% evarate that destroyers get is actually a really big deal

[tall nimbus]

🎲

[thin cosmos]

DD lack stats vs other types of VG

so they need buff to compete

[still minnow]

well I need to know how they diverge

if you take a CL hull and a DD hull with identical stats

then apply the buffs to each sample

I want to know how they scale

[thin cosmos]

and return to first question

[still minnow]

do oath buffs apply to HP?

[thin cosmos]

suppose 50% damage reduction vs 2times hp

[still minnow]

I thought they didn't but it seems like they do?

[thin cosmos]

they are same vs bullet damage

if you exclude dots

[still minnow]

but then pvp gives base damage reduction, so you lose some of it

[thin cosmos]

oath ofcourse hp increased

[thin cosmos]

well importance is ratio not absolute value

think well

also some reductions are mutiply, some are added

and in real situation, usually damage reduction skill gives much more stats than hp

like 10% reduction vs 5% hp

[still minnow]

yahyahyah

bleh this is too hard lmao

I need to create a custom ammo type for the rocket plane

but I can't figure out how to get into the datatable for ammo types in the spreadsheet

it's hidden somehow

[thin cosmos]

don't miss big plan

like effect zone size

[still minnow]

I don't think it matters cause I'm just comparing the eHP of two ships

I'm trying to find out what influences it more, heavy armor or high AA

cause they both have a damage reduction effect but I'm not sure how the AA one work

I think I'll have to calculate it manually

[thin cosmos]

150+AA

[still minnow]

what the heck is cloakbit

I don't understand this at all tbh

[thin cosmos]

there must be mention there

[still minnow]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Combat#Damage_Reduction

I can't find it

[thin cosmos]

as I remember somekind of skill activation count

[still minnow]

that's the only mention on the page

well okay so let's say I have 300 AA stat, how would you use that to get the damage reduction?

like can you write it out in simple math for me hahaha

there's so many 1 + xyzs in here that it shuts my brain off

1/(1+300/150)

= 0.33

so we take 33% damage?

[thin cosmos]

brifely yes

[still minnow]

so dido with 738 AA should be taking ~16% damage from CVs?

[thin cosmos]

yes

but only against none stealth CV

far more damage from stealth

[still minnow]

yeah

azuma has 34% reduction

okay so I can calculate this

[thin cosmos]

so dido has more ehp for sure only vs CV

so now I can see what is that clack bit

it's stealth or not

stealth=1

not=0

[still minnow]

ah

azuma has 20,441 hp with 15% damage reduction and heavy armor, the heavy armor mult for rockets is 0.5.
So her eHP is (20441*1.15)*2

this is correct?

and then we add 100% - 34 = 66% extra hp to get the AA modifier

[thin cosmos]

where 15% DR comes from?

[still minnow]

pvp modifier for hull type

[thin cosmos]

CA has no buff as I remember

[still minnow]

maybe it's new?

[thin cosmos]

I'm not sure or I just confused

anyway if with 15% damage reduction, 1/0.85=/=1.15

[still minnow]

so it seems like azuma has 78,043 eHP vs. rocket planes.

Same calc for dido this time leaves me with 19,478 eHP

so either I did this wrong or this is very embarrassing for dido

dido base hp is 9410

25% hulltype damage reduction

[thin cosmos]

should be near 120k

[still minnow]

1.1x damage mod from rockets

[thin cosmos]

aha then near 60k

[still minnow]

I did this: ((HP*damRed)*armorModifier)*AAresistance

[thin cosmos]

AAresistance=should be near 6

[still minnow]

I used 100 - 16 = 84% for AA resistance

which is 1.84

okay so clearly that is wrong

or is it?

I don't know I'm fucking shit at math

this is beyond my abilities lmao

[thin cosmos]

well;;

just think normally

you mutiplied azuma by 3 since she get only 33% damage

and now you mutiplied dito with 1.84 while she get only 16% damage

don't you think you should muliply with near 6

[still minnow]

I multiplied azuma by 1.66 actually

so I fucked up on her

xDDDD

azuma has 141,042 eHP

awith fixed calc

[thin cosmos]

then that's right

[still minnow]

dido has 63,516 eHP

what a scam lmfao

[thin cosmos]

yeah

that might be

and ehp also include evasion so..

[still minnow]

oh right

I didn't do evasion at all

but tbh I don't think it would change much

when the gap is literally doubled

like if dido's skill gave her 15% evarate

then I would calc that

[thin cosmos]

but tbh I can see that without caculation

[still minnow]

but iot gives 15% eva instead

so I don't see the poinmty

[thin cosmos]

the most importance is that armor type based damage gap

[still minnow]

yeah, if you have the good armor type then nothing else matters

you can stack numbers all you want but if your armor is wrong then you die

rockets have 140% vs. medium so anchorage is probably going to be fodder when her immunity is on cooldown

[thin cosmos]

btw would you put VH on azuma?

they are medium in default

dido maybe light

[still minnow]

yeah I factored the 750 HP from the VH armor into azuma's calc

so it got doubled by the pvp bonus

which is why her base HP is so crazy

and then the gap just grows even further withy the 0.5x heavy armor multiplier

but I think the real conclusion to make here is that anchorage is very vulnerable to rocket planes

cause her mult is even worse than dido

[thin cosmos]

I diss agree

[still minnow]

why do you disagree

[thin cosmos]

rocket has very narrow effect zone

so just dodge, ok

[tall nimbus]

in theory yes, anchorage is very vulnerable to rocket planes

[still minnow]

lmao

[tall nimbus]

keyphrase is "in theory"

[still minnow]

what happens in practice that makes it not work?

sounds like you've tried

[tall nimbus]

basically at the start she has her shield up

preload carriers like aquila don't do damage to anchorage

[still minnow]

casablanca launches with perfect timing for anchorage's smokescreen to dissipate

[tall nimbus]

now that's the second problem

is casablanca even alive at that point?

[still minnow]

eagle union damage control

guaranteed

[tall nimbus]

when enemy aquila pretty much killed you at the start

[still minnow]

but also your vanguard should shoot down all aquila's planes

to keep your CVs stealthed

[thin cosmos]

VG ISN'T FIXXED TARGET. THEY HAVE ENGIEN

[still minnow]

that's my general strategy at least

[tall nimbus]

can your vanguard survive torpedo memes from enemy vanguard?

or HE shells from vittorio veneto?

[still minnow]

perseus yeets the enemy vanguard except anchorage, my vanguard keeps my CVs protected, casablanca launches from stealth to yeet anchorage, then my 3rd CV launches and yeets their backline

(in theory)

[thin cosmos]

wrong

[still minnow]

that's what I'm trying to solve, enough AA to keep my CVs stealthed but not too squishy that aquila rockets + vittorio kills my vanguard too quickly

[tall nimbus]

that's basically the problem in the current pvp scene

no vanguard can survive heavy damage from veneto + aquila airstrike + shimakaze and duca torpedoes

[thin cosmos]

don't underestimate dodge!

[still minnow]

devs need to increase these

lul

just double all of it

[thin cosmos]

well VG suvival ok even for now

the most squshy VG(2 rainbow oxy aux) survive long enough as backline

[still minnow]

do you have rockets on aquila?

usually those vanguards get yeeted instantly for me

[thin cosmos]

they would dodge

[still minnow]

oh my percy is launching 3x as many as aquila

[thin cosmos]

that's pretty same idea as 818 or rusai can kill VG

[still minnow]

ok nvm

man every time I read aquila skills it reminds me how bad devs are at balance lmao

[thin cosmos]

well there's no such thing like balance in this game from the start

[still minnow]

yeah I agree

they dont even try

[light crystal]

I can confidently say Anchorage is the best tank. I honestly don't see a substitute to her

[thin cosmos]

I would say we just don't need tanker

[still minnow]

is there a guide for how to minmax getting the gold enhancement parts?

I don't know how to be efficient about it other than use all my AP to auto the highest corrosion zones

[light crystal]

Teams without Anchorage just evaporate tho

Like, you 1-shot Juneau leads way too easily

They might as well be playing 2 VG ships lol

[thin cosmos]

alright alright so what's your ancher compo?

[thin cosmos]

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1xb2CdwcQffuBJoqAiUZHhdrhrluMlAJ-?usp=sharing

[calm mica]

Do you want 5 minute long pvp fights where main fleet gets blown out and you just got tanky vanguards having slapfests?

[tall nimbus]

i was so busy laughing at this shit that i forgot to cancel the fight and ended up with +9

[calm mica]

Didn't censor your name. Now I know who you are

[tall nimbus]

[candid lance]

i just gave pearl tears to jintsuu. Would it be better to put her in the tank position or should i keep her in the middle?

[calm mica]

Tank

[candid lance]

Ok. Another thing im considering is just giving noshiro pearl tears, instead of jintsuu, and leaving noshi as tank. would that be preferred?

[thin cosmos]

basically they are not that different

IJN CL fragile than even DD

[light crystal]

The best way to see would be to pay attention who tends to go down first and put Pearl on them lol

[thin cosmos]

any comment about my video?

[candid sluice]

[late heath]

Need to be 4K

[thin cosmos]

are there any problem? I can't see why there's no comment at all

[candid sluice]

i dont have a problem with it

[light crystal]

Look at all those torp DMG reductions: VV/Duca/Noshiro (+ NJ's DR for USN on Juneau). Shima don't give a shit, she delete both Juneau/Noshiro and chunk VV hard too

[sharp cradle]

why are some people using juneau in pvp alongside with other top-tier ships

[thin cosmos]

she is good

what other reason would be there?

[light crystal]

The Heal and AA used to be a strength, but it's no use if she dies too quick. Many ppl tend to put her lead, but that's just asking for deletion from AQL/Shima

Might as well put Manjuu on her to guarantee she lives for 8s if u wanna place in lead tbh

[thin cosmos]

tbh, recently best death time for here near 10s

[candid sluice]

my jun has no problem as front lead

[thin cosmos]

mine still so many times die too late

[candid sluice]

same tbh

[light crystal]

sounds like amagi bad

[candid sluice]

at least our server isnt dead

got more tenrais than entire washi server

[light crystal]

and more aquilas to be bale to effectively use them, im sure

[lime folio]

I'm using the same team lmao

if thats ancho duca shima

[light crystal]

but tbf, it might be a case of defense doing 20% less dmg, so Juneau on attack taking less dmg as well

while on attack, it's easier to kill her off if on lead lol

[lime folio]

shimakaze is goated in pvp

[tall nimbus]

someone explain this

[candid sluice]

i smell denial

imagine older server losing to amagi

[light crystal]

i smell coping

[candid sluice]

dont need to cope got my tenrai few weeks ago

[light crystal]

Ur aql must be rejoic- Oh wait.

[quartz drum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516951413411020819/904171173665980416/averageleljoyer.mp4

[candid sluice]

im glad aquila isnt strong anymore

[light crystal]

The coping is real

[dull hollow]

meanwhile jp pvp def fleets

hood and akaga

[trail temple]

What is this meme?

[calm mica]

Missing the chad manjuu NJ on the right side

That's what that meme is

[candid sluice]

dont worry i use white shell because the pvp god told me to

still dont know what it does tho

[worldly cape]

The hell is "Kenny Mod"?

[candid sluice]

It’s a jojo reference

[clear briar]

|| A foreign server reference ||

[candid sluice]

Yeah the jojo roleplay server

[dull hollow]

average cunny mod enjoyer tho

[trail temple]

We can all appreciate a bit of cunny, right?

[calm mica]

I give much appreciation to my cunny wife

[harsh plover]

Hi, I suck at PVP, I am lvl 130 and lose to 92s. My best friend Forbs, said I should check this channel out for help.

[calm mica]

Maybe you can give an example of what you've used so we can see if it's team building or equipment you need help with

[harsh plover]

I have access to all ships in game. I have about almost every type of gear. I just don't know anything about PVP. So i have no clue what to do.

What is a good fleet comp to run?

[calm mica]

Best fleet comp is probably this. Equipment is pretty important too, but main advantage of this team is the absolute tankiness of Anchorage and the 2 BBs and then the quick damage output of VV and high damage of NJ with Aquila's reveal

[harsh plover]

I have been using pvp for leveling mainly, so I don't really know what ships to use at all. Sorry I am waifu player, just trying to learn how to pvp properly, to get AOTN

okay, I will try that out

[harsh plover]

okay, I will try tha tout!

thx!

[calm mica]

No problem

[harsh plover]

should I run that as defense fleet to?

[calm mica]

Defense really shouldn't matter too much

[harsh plover]

okie dokie

if I dont have dev 30 anco, is there a replacement? or not?

[calm mica]

She's fine even at dev25. But best replacement without her is Juneau

Juneau will lose tankiness but give a team heal after dying

[harsh plover]

alright, thx!

ill give it another shot

[candid sluice]

Do you know famine? U should make him your best friend too

[trail temple]

Famine will troll you instead

[dull hollow]

when will CN ship become meta

[trail temple]

China wall is pvl meta, just need to believe and your social credits will do the talking

[candid sluice]

Don’t u have lvl120 chao hao and ying swei

+15 social credits

[lime folio]

Can I see your Shima bro?

mine at 125 dies too fast

[light crystal]

Mine in full DPS usually lives for 2nd torp set lol

A good 80%+ of the time

I guess when I got a good, solid tanking VG with tanking equips, her survivability in middle is damn right solid.

[lime folio]

Lmao Ive put rudders on mine but if shes gonna die anyway then i think u got the right take

full torps

[light crystal]

But mine isn't so squishy is the thing, so i think ur supprt from the others might be lacking somewhat

And yeah, shit that's dead can't kill u, so high dps is not a bad thing as long as u got the support to keep her afloat

My Shima regularly destroys 2 of the vanguard ships on average

Even when they might be using damage reductions from Italians, Noshiro and NJ

[candid sluice]

shima gives zero shits about torp dmg reduction

[calm mica]

If she dies before her reload, she'll at least give a pearl's tear heal off for the others

Her main job is to just blow any lead Juneau to bits before they can heal off NJ's first barrage

And if enemy uses Ancho/Jun Shima's not dying

[light crystal]

Because I want to

[candid sluice]

dude asked for his shima build, he showed his shima build

whats the issue

[light crystal]

114mm: (0.1 VT + 0.26 ACD + 0.75 FR ) x10 = AoA at 11.1s~
76mm: (0.0 VT + 0.26 ACD + 0.49 FR) x 10 = AoA at 7.5s~

The gap is about 3s. 114mm has good ballistics to be reliable at dealing damage, even if her MGM Eff and FP are mediocre. So I rather have a good damaging gun that reloads fast. I do the same for Yukikaze by the way.
The one ship I would make the exception is Ayanami, where the proc would actually be a very massive damage increase on the torp damage. Otherwise I like to go for the doctrine of balanced between good DPS gun and reload.

That, and 114mm has some AA, so helps with Avi eHp, and is gold so boosts Power which make the Fleet Power look nicer.

[thin cosmos]

I use 114 cause I have 13 of it

that 76 vs 114 was old topic when 114 first came

and result was for most ships, 114

[light crystal]

Well, like I said, Ayanami is the clear winner. Kazagumo also gets some mileage. Other ships is mostly a meme. I wanna try it out a bit on Z46 cuz I wanna see how much she gets to spam barrage with, but will probably put 128mm on her.

[calm mica]

Yeah, her AoA gives way more damage than her gun. Also if your AoA procs at 22.2s you're running into Ancho smoke. Easier fight for the rest of us at least. People can judge for themselves what they prefer

[thin cosmos]

show me your math

it would be definitely usefull if you count full barrage damage

[calm mica]

Pretty hard to count full damage from any ship in pvp with vanguard moving across the whole screen in a half second

AoA will at least have a really decent chance to chunk a main fleet if it misses if nothing else

[light crystal]

This all assumes the gun will always be firing as well, and seeing as the AA can take both VG's very wide, it isn't always set in stone anyway

[thin cosmos]

each of us can make decisions based on there own expected hitting

[light crystal]

Whereas the gun will always lock on to deal dmg anyway, and better ballistics and dmg parameters will mean they will do their stated dmg . And Barrage can miss cuz it's not exactly aimed

Either way, I'm aware all of these things, and I already said why I would prefer 114mm. If u want to use 76mm, it's still a good call, but it would be more of a preference at that point, weighing various pros and cons, and not overall impactful anyway

[thin cosmos]

for my self I would pick gun damage when brrage damage is lower than 200%of gun damage

so all you need is just show damage of barrage and gun when they hit 100%

[calm mica]

Well, I'm no expert. I just go off of gun efficiency. Ships with 110% and more I go gun DPS and 100% or less I go barrage spam just as a rule of thumb because under 100% efficiency feels very weak in my experience

[thin cosmos]

I wonder what you want to do

It's obvious that 114 guys would also say "in my experience"

are you want to make a change meta or just want to say I'm right?

ships have very different barrage much more than gun efficiency so we should care both for sure

I can't say which one is better for shima exactly since I didn't calculated both

So I just said 114 was better for most ships

So for this problem, you guys should show at least tons of test videos or theoretical full damage

what is meaning if we don't know barrage damage even in very roughly

[light crystal]

https://streamable.com/w9kyq9

L>M>H

[candid sluice]

i use 76 on shima for every other place i use her so dont wanna bother swapping off for pvp

[light crystal]

The slashes are good cuz they scale off of Torp, and they pierce

[thin cosmos]

alright I got the answer

shima has near 100 FP, 900 TORP when 2 rainbow oxy

so torp based damage do nearly 5times damage

when we compare +13 114 vs +7 blue gun, DPS gap is about 53/s

(considered gun effecient)

[candid sluice]

Torp aoa good

[thin cosmos]

aoa?

anyway if we change that as torp stats based, it's only 10.6/s

and there barrage damage gap is 4%/s

so now we can compare

barrage damage is near 550 vs light armor

so 4%/s is 22/s

roughly 2times

so if you think gun reach target 2times than barrage, use 114.

or if you consider AA

otherewise 76

personally that calculation showing 76 better for shima except AA

torp has pretty good accuracy

[thin cosmos]

did you get how I made answer?

[candid sluice]

Yes that’s why I said torp aoa good

Shima will do way more damage with aoa procs than her main gun

[thin cosmos]

what is aoa?

I just don't know that word

[light crystal]

The barrage

All Out Assault

Every vanguard ship has an AoA barrage based on gun proc, which is the whole discussion about

[thin cosmos]

so that is just barrage

[light crystal]

Well yes, but barrages come in many forms, but there's only one kind of AoA (Vanguard only), so it's abbreviated as such for convenience

[thin cosmos]

kk

now I can know what is it in korean

so would you change your gun?

[light crystal]

Either way, I already went over why I use 114mm. 76mm is a good pick too, for slightly faster procs. It won't mean you're gonna get any more procs overall (for you to get one additional, the battle would have to go over 1 minute), and most battles ends before that

[thin cosmos]

ok

I don't think I can test this as really situation cause the gap is too tiny so much lower than RNG

for my self the aoa was way bigger than my expectation so I'm considering change gun

but that emotional huddle is pretty high( +13 gold vs +7 blue)

[calm mica]

Only DD gun I've gotten to +13 is NJ's secondary

[thin cosmos]

I made 13 when IJN meta

needed several DD guns for azuma subgun+juneau+DD

[calm mica]

gun plates a bit scarce when you've got minimum 2 rainbow guns to get to 13

[thin cosmos]

that age only 1BB

so plane plate was much more scarce at that time

[light crystal]

You should try to save that shit for BB guns

Here I'm struggling to get one more plate to +13 my Mk7 with, and yet I see peeps +13'ing DD/CL guns

[flint python]

[untold crater]

Why is his backline power so low?

[tall nimbus]

probs running +10 like a pleb

[light crystal]

look at this noob running rainbow shit to pad power. probably doesn't eve know how to play the game

[untold crater]

Rainbow = good

[thin cosmos]

see ID)

[lime folio]

Didnt mean to spark this debate

but it is up to preference lmao

I would've said he was using shit guns if he used anything besides the 114 (and 76)

[light crystal]

I don't really care either way, I wasn't even attempting to tell people what to do, but a random guy misconstrued my post, so I just went over the topic to show that I know full well about it and that I'm not ignorant on it lol

[lime folio]

[coral wren]

is amagi akagi kaga yuudachi retro good

and are portland and helena good to fill the gap?

[flint python]

that's pretty much going to struggle vs meta

[coral wren]

well yeah

but thats like

the best one i have i think

compared to uni ranger amagi portland nimi helena

besides that, im confused is how monarch or richelieu will fit in my formation

since ive invested some on them

but i hadnt gotten much use outside of hard mode stuffs

[calm mica]

Sounds like the best we can recommend is trying to get exp out of pvp and worry about ranking later

[trail temple]

Akaga comps are terrible

[candid sluice]

It’s probably the best with what he’s working with

[coral wren]

Is roon better than portkai

I heard someone said she is

[light crystal]

I think Portland would be better, specially if u have NJ

[trail temple]

If Akaga is "the best" he's got to work with, don't even bother trying to compromise, just get the exp and enjoy being in the sub 1000 range

[light crystal]

Akaga with double Wyvern should be viable enough. If can't even double Wyvern, then yeh, it's bigger oof lol

[calm mica]

By the time a new player gets up to double Wyvern Akaga, there's probably some new shiny UR that's very pvp viable again

[trail temple]

^

He won't be double wyverning, let alone a single wyvern any time soon

[light crystal]

Better triple wyvern it then

Nagato/Taiho/Hiryuu is probably better than Nakaga too

[crude mortar]

what

you guys cant even penta wyvern yet?

https://tenor.com/view/hu-tao-gif-23085934

[candid sluice]

I equip two wyverns and a tenrai on my nagato

Get on my level

[trail temple]

I have 5 457s on my Saratoga

[calm mica]

My Essex is equipped with a lemon

[simple basalt]

What's the best PVP setup right now?

[candid sluice]

New Jersey

[light crystal]

Aquila too

[calm mica]

Anchorage as well

[north vine]

[candid sluice]

yamato is strong too

[calm mica]

Yes, because rainbow = good

[lime folio]

Shimakaze chads

[coral wren]

which one is better? amagi monarch warspite or amagi akagi kaga

[light crystal]

||Neither|| The first one, I guess...

[coral wren]

i dont have anyone better

currently amagi unicorn ranger

[light crystal]

Honestly, maybe Nagato/Shinano/Hiryuu is better lel

If u don't have Shinano, might as well use Taiho

[coral wren]

dont have all

nvm i have hiryuu

just hiryuu though

[light crystal]

Do u have New Jersey?

[coral wren]

nope

i dont have any UR

[light crystal]

RIP
Yeah, then I dunno. Might as well go IJN lol

[coral wren]

im quite new though

like

3 weeks of playing

[light crystal]

Fair enough

[coral wren]

oh i have richelieu though

[light crystal]

Then use the first option u gave, and try to get Nagato and Taiho...

Could try something scuffed, like Richy/WK/Hiryuu then

[coral wren]

WK is uh

warspite kai?

[light crystal]

Warspite Kai (Retro)

[coral wren]

ah yes

thank god i retrod my warspite

[light crystal]

[coral wren]

i assume hiryuu is good because of Final Counter skill

[light crystal]

For the most part

[coral wren]

after she fires that airstrike she'll sink after the invulnerability ends right?

[light crystal]

Juneau/Yukikaze + Some good cruiser. A cheap good one would be Leipzig (refit). And proceed with scuffed Richy/HiryuKai/WK. That comp, with some decent gear, would already be better than the other 60-70% of the population that bother with PvP at all lol

[light crystal]

No

It leaves her at 1% HP, as long as doesn't take any dmg, still stays up. She can even get a Heal during the Invisibility period too

Manjuu kills after 8s of Invisibility, however (And can only activate for USN ships).

[candid sluice]

if u dont have any rainbow ships/event limited ones your best bet is ijn

nugget and hiryu are all perma

and u can just slap in warkai or another ijn as third backline

yukikabruh and juneau are also perma

[coral wren]

Who's manjuu

Who's nugget? Nagato?

I only have warkai and yuukai

[slender tartan]

this is manjuu

[candid sluice]

nugget is nagato yes

nugget toes

[slender tartan]

you can get it from memento-> collection-> yorktown class (AKA. max star enterprise,yorktown,hornet)

if you dont have UR's like NJ, FDG, SHINANO etc (or italian ships). this would be your best bet imo. (keep in mind hiryuu needs retrofit). also you could go VG noshiro-ayanami-jintsuu if you want torp meme (sometimes its fun to see enemy VG go boom)

you could also go something like this if you got Richy

[candid sluice]

triple bb is all perma ships

if u replace nj for a bb

[slender tartan]

also azuma is hard to make and also takes lots of time to max dev level. before 25 lvl she aint good. so instead of azuma you could like. go a yuudachi retro or sandy retro. or something.

[coral wren]

Idk if I should do azuma or fdg first

Both are really good, I heard

[coral wren]

Who's top left

[slender tartan]

amagi on first pic (nagato). enterprise on second (richy)

[coral wren]

I don't have enterprise

Isn't the only way to get her heavy build?

I'm only using cubes for events

[slender tartan]

enty is from special contruction. sometimes she also appears on the medal exchange shop for 80 medals.

you could go i guess ark royal (retro) or formidable (since i dont think you will have perseus if you new) . unless you want triple bb. then maybe monarch.

[thin cosmos]

I strongly recommend to pvp with pve ships

do you have that much resources?

what ever team you make, you can't win full defense team

they can ignore almost all attacker buff with just gear enchant except team

and oath also gives similar amount of gap as attacker buff

about ship level, 3 125 ships similar with 6 115ships

[coral wren]

I only have one 115 ship

Amagi

She's flagship in my mob fleet and she always gets the MVP

[coral wren]

Update: 116

[candid sluice]

keep leveling her up

lvl advantage is massive

[coral wren]

Don't you just love the Enterprise staring contest?

[trail temple]

Have a perseus/aquila with warkai and never have that problem again (unless they put her in flag)

[spark flax]

Anchorage at Dev24. Only 1 more to go before she makes her pvp debut and early strike fleets become useless lol

[candid sluice]

i simply use new jersey

[spark flax]

Sadly, could never get NJ. But now that my fleets above 115 shes no problem with Shima torps lol

But she would have made my planned composition monstrous

[spark locust]

suffered one loss from not paying attention this season

still managed to get admiral of the navy

[clear briar]

Manjuu Anchorage ftw

[untold crater]

if u had manjuu NJ instead your anchorage wouldn't have even sank

[clear briar]

Don't try me

[candid sluice]

Ooo spooky anchovy attacking my backline whatever will I dooo

[light crystal]

That makes no sense

[late heath]

It does to me

[light crystal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/466250908682944522/892038270970642432/890974858589114418.gif

[calm mica]

Had solo NJ against an opponent's NJ and Anchorage on that last reset. Thank goodness they had manjuu on Anchorage, I could have lost.

[light crystal]

The scenarios in which Manjuu NJ eke out wins instead of needing to reset aren't common

[calm mica]

Yeah, please put your manjuu on Ancho instead of NJ guys. I need easier wins

[light crystal]

I'm sure you do, seem to have a gear/comp issue by the looks of things, if you're losing to manjuu NJ's often

[calm mica]

Yeah, it's a skill issue

Some of us have that

[light crystal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771751989239087204/896387656303390740/ezgif-3-966618c4869b.gif

[candid sluice]

make sure to equip your anchorages with manju and put her in your defense fleet guys

[light crystal]

And make sure your Aquilas are properly equipped guys

[calm mica]

Missing Tenrai is also a skill issue

[candid sluice]

Give your Aquilas double fighter

[light crystal]

Double +13 Hornets

[calm mica]

What? You're not doing double +13 Meschermitt?

[thin cosmos]

plz don't spam with shitty file

I really hate that face

[crude mortar]

yes its shitty file

suitable for nj white shell user

[thin cosmos]

? It's just fucking useless no matter what items you use

[crude mortar]

ofc its useless just by playing on korean server by default

why bother playing shitty server

https://tenor.com/view/suisei-credit-card-hololive-suisei-credit-card-gif-22602303

[thin cosmos]

anyone can understand him?

[crude mortar]

imagine born as a korean with one of the best genetic dna with high reflex for gaming just to waste all your bloodline and all your time playing shitty idle game that doesn't fully supported pvp

kekw

[thin cosmos]

oh you were not human.

Sorry I couldn't notice

[crude mortar]

i am human

and ways smarter than you

nah why am i wasting time talking to neanderthal anyway

[light crystal]

Is he gonna pong a mod now, for being called non-human, I wonder

[crude mortar]

who me?

imagine actually taking novograd word seriously

[clear briar]

[candid sluice]

no meme allowed in serios discussion channel!!!1!!1!

time to ping mod

[stable dawn]

[grizzled hemlock]

🍿

[rich escarp]

boy I'm running into a LOT of people doing "ark royal and three destroyers" teams lately

[coral wren]

I have found that Independence Kai is a pretty reliable counter to Enterprise due to her launch speed. Unfortunately she is very, very much a glass canon and will be lucky to survive the second wave of attacks.

[sour oasis]

Oh hey, DST happened.

Well. Glad I get AotN out of the way early. so technically got AotN this season with like 20 missed tickets

[clear briar]

How tf

[iron stratus]

Yo, good evening paals. Should I put Shima in there?

[light crystal]

I dunno, tough to say

[iron stratus]

Hm

[light crystal]

You could try Noshi/Shima/Duca?

See how it works out.

[iron stratus]

Yeah, I could do that, my Jeanu since is 125 makes it kinda hard sometimes

Think I did wrong 125ing her lol

[light crystal]

Shima powered by Noshi might balance out needing the Heal, cuz it would shorten the battle cuz of the DPS, meaning u take less dmg overall

[iron stratus]

What about against ancho? Shima still does great against her?

[light crystal]

I myself use Ancho/Shima/Duca and it seels very damn good on Attack. Probably not as good on Defense but w/e

[iron stratus]

Yeha that's my way, but my ancho still smol

[light crystal]

I think so, based from wut I've found out. Like, Anchorage won't take dmg from Shima's torps herself (She's more open to Duca's Slowpedos, however), but you can still delete the other two in the VG, if not at least chunk heavily the backline

[iron stratus]

That's a good point honestly, I'll try that. Since people start delving 30 ancho I'm geting few problems sometimes

[light crystal]

She can be a very reliable tank, yes. Probably the most reliable tank for PvP atm

Her main nemesis atm are NJ's and Duca's.

[calm mica]

That's pretty much the main "strategy" in dealing with Anchorage. Take out the 2 other ships and she'll slow down some so that you can start landing hits when she's not invincible

[candid sluice]

Anchorag can’t do much when the rest of the team is dead

[untold crater]

Anchorage has good gun DPS

[flint python]

[trail temple]

Skills issue

[coral wren]

should i replace portland with yuudachi?

(currently portland z23 kai helena)

z23 is currently my strongest ship

[untold crater]

not ideal pvp fleet but its an upgrade

[trail temple]

He's new so, most things would be an upgrade

[spark flax]

Shimas dmg in pvp is just ridiculous... At 116 she'll swipe MVP from my 125 early Aquilla.

[sour oasis]

||I missed all of day 14 and part of day 13; the last 20 tickets after getting AotN||

[clear briar]

[sour oasis]

Aquila is your MVP?

[spark flax]

Usually yea. It's difficult for anyone else to do more dmg when she strikes twice before Enterprise.

[sour oasis]

Well, get ready for torpedo MVPs then.

[spark flax]

Oh I am. Anchorage nearly Dev 25 and at 110

[sour oasis]

Granted it's live by the torpedo die by the torpedoes; if they all miss you're screwed.

[spark flax]

It's not soo bad. Shima has double pre-load so she can send 10 opening salvo

It doesn't need to wipe the vanguard alone. The combo of early air strike, early BB salvo and early Torpedos will wipe the vangaurd.

[light crystal]

My MVP regularly rotates between NJ, AQL and Shima

[sour oasis]

If your MVP isn't a BB you're doing it wrong

Yeah, torpedoes are back, for better or for worse.

[calm mica]

You guys pay attention to MVP?

Only thing I've noticed with it is NJ's pretty much guaranteed it against hard fleets

Because if she whiffs her barrage several times, you're probably having to reset

[candid sluice]

My shimakaze simply sinks enemy njs

[spark flax]

My BBs never get MVP as I don't have NJ. Even with NJ she probably wouldn't get it. I use Ven/Whales and Warspite.

[abstract cypress]

still waiting for baransu pvp

[tacit fulcrum]

New Jersey mafia is fuckin scam!!!

I have full maxed ships and maxed pvp gear and i still losing!!

Fuck you veneto you useless whore!!!

fuck off all with that fleet

this is tier 5 not tier 0

pvp is over for me

[calm mica]

Are you using white shell NJ?

[late heath]

https://tenor.com/view/crack-open-snickers-bar-satisfies-gif-5270224

[light crystal]

No, clearly the Famie/Dalao Special is better

[tacit fulcrum]

3rd day of season and i lost 3rd match

that means that season is ended for me

even reaching top 50 is dream now

[slender tartan]

i mean, what did you lose from? unless is mirror and you alt-tabbed or something is rare to lose a fight with fully maxed mafia.

[late heath]

should be able to tag aotn even with 3 missed

[calm mica]

You can miss 5 and still get aotn

[late heath]

i missed 3 like a few seasons ago

still tagged top 10

well

still in top 10 by the end

and what titan said

[tacit fulcrum]

NJ mafia don't work on me at all

[late heath]

Screenshot your ship gears

[calm mica]

Yeah, gear level and affection

[light crystal]

I blame NJ Manjuu for this.

[candid sluice]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/870419801795874816/896417550638923816/skill_issue_Made_with_Clipchamp.gif

[spark flax]

Anyone trying full early strike backline? Aquilla, Richi, Veneto?

[light crystal]

Imagine not using New Jersey

[trail temple]

I smell a skill issue

Or wannabe troll

Maybe both

[glacial yarrow]

maybe the vanguard problem too though

meanwhile me that still using nagato fleet

[candid sluice]

guys is foch good for pvp???

[light crystal]

Probably better than Aquila

[calm mica]

Yeah Aquila is tier 5, Fock is tier 0

[vocal plover]

are there some ships or skills that stun other ships that make them cant move for a few second?

[calm mica]

Yes, but they all die very easily

Strasser, Formidable and I think some vanguard ship that I can't remember

[vocal plover]

i encounter with that few times, is that type of ships good for pvp?

[candid sluice]

None of them are practical in pvp no

[calm mica]

Swordfish Aquila is the most viable option to slow ships

[candid sluice]

Formi and peter is suck room also suck

[calm mica]

Oh right, Helena META can also timestop vanguard, but it's entirely movement luck based

Would probably make for a funny gimmick defense team since she times her stop at about the same time as NJ's barrage and salvo

[thin cosmos]

there are some stopping options but very hard to sync

and even in case you did so, some invincibles like Ancherage or manjuu would hurt you

[thin cosmos]

btw with totally same gear and ships, shima duca team has only about 70% win rate

and something like magnet torp vs HMS torp also effect huge(It's just a single gear!)

now days I'm so sad with I just have only 1 black torp oxy and it seems it decrease win rate about 10%

[oblique silo]

Kek

@tacit fulcrum what’s your fleet and gear?

[clear briar]

[dull hollow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/887144501376860170.png?size=512

oh no

[calm mica]

Not even dev30 WSkai smdh

[sour oasis]

Peter still has a chance to crash the game though.

[glacial yarrow]

is retro yuudachi good for pvp ?

[calm mica]

Assuming you have shimakaze already, there's better support options like Jintsuu or Noshiro

[light crystal]

Our Lord and Savior Shima.

So far all 3 UR releases have been meta-worthy for PvP. Looking forward to Christmas' UR release to possibly change meta yet again

[stable dawn]

inb4 UR sub

[abstract cypress]

no need to think

just shove new op ship on ur assfleet

=meta

[candid sluice]

rainbow good

[light crystal]

Rainbow fun

[late heath]

wait for FS V FDG

[untold crater]

Fsv drake will surely being her to pvp

[candid sluice]

finally my tierEX drek will be meta in pvp

[vocal plover]

is using shell not good in pvp?

[calm mica]

vanguard shelling does nearly nothing

It's why they build tanky or torpy

[candid sluice]

white shell nj good but i dont know what it does

[light crystal]

According to Dalaos and the Creed of Famine, You shall not White Shell your NJ, but giveth the Manjuu instead.

🙏

[calm mica]

Higher ACC will win out over shells. And if for some reason your NJ is lacking power, keeping the manjuu and switching to champ gun over 457 will give it

[light crystal]

Blessed be the Dalao 🙏

[oblique silo]

It is regardless of what the propagandists say

[candid sluice]

I’m still waiting for quyet to tell us what white shell does

[light crystal]

White supremacist stuff I bet

[sand cape]

this is really outdated

[candid sluice]

woah really

who woulda thought 2019 meta is different than 2021 meta

[light crystal]

On the topic of Shells. According to this, the barrage damage from NJ would scale with the added FP.
In that case, Black Shell would actually increase DMG a bit more cuz even more more FP, but the White one is also more useful overall for more shelling dmg as well anyway.

[candid sluice]

we gonna ignore the +hit

[calm mica]

Exactly, we need hit. It's why gyros are best

[late heath]

Equip double gyros on all ships

[dull hollow]

a long long time ago

double gyro was "meta"

for damage

if you were a manual torp player

before we had enough rainbows dicks to go around

and all we had was the quad jap torp

[worldly cape]

I think the nail in the coffin to that setup was HMS black torp setups

Because doesn't matter how quick your VG is if your main fleet sinks in the first 20s

[light crystal]

||You realize they were meme'ing, right? ||

[worldly cape]

||And I think I'm the one memeing by using a torpedo sponge VG||

[candid sluice]

dont worry takao with quad610 double gyro really very powerful to do everything alone haha

[thin cosmos]

I'm so tired with here

maybe I should leave

[calm mica]

Same. Meta is so well ironed out, the only thing left to do is argue about manjuu NJ and memeing/joking

[sour oasis]

But where else is there to go

[stable dawn]

#gameplay-help

[alpine finch]

#game-feedback

[light crystal]

#game-feedback

[candid sluice]

The only reason to stay in this server is to laugh at gameplayhelp and gamefeedback

[stable dawn]

[untold crater]

and #pvp

funniest shit i've ever seen

[candid sluice]

i think everyone here is self aware

well at least most of us

[alpine finch]

Who am i

What am i

[dull hollow]

guys i try to use prinz eugen in pvp but she keep dying even tho she has 8k hp???

explain

[candid sluice]

skill issue

[calm mica]

medium armor = bad

Just by armor type, you get 25% more damage from torps, 37.5% more damage from torp bombers, and dive bombers vary but are about the same and then you also have 10% less damage reduction because of how pvp "balances" ships

They're also slow af so easier chance of getting hit by BB shelling

[light crystal]

Wut about Mainz tho

[candid sluice]

mainz t0 obv

[calm mica]

Mainz at least makes up for that extra damage with 15% DR

But kind of sketchy without fate sim. Frontmost almost always taken up by Juneau if not Anchorage

[next oxide]

hey guys, who are the meta line up this season?

[candid sluice]

new jersey

[light crystal]

aquilla

[crude mortar]

with white shell

[candid sluice]

white shell is my favorite aux to put on nj

[calm mica]

Aquila with white shell is tier -1

[late heath]

don't forget, manjuu on anchorage & NJ

[trail temple]

Don't we put manjuu on helena so we can proc radar and kekroll people?

[sour oasis]

Six torpedo fleet

[calm mica]

New plan, manjuu on helena so we can not proc radar when doing last 5 minutes exercises so we can lose to not proccing radar

[candid sluice]

Nooo anchovy had manjuu i am going to lose this fight now because anchovy has manju

[light crystal]

More because not using Aquilla

[untold crater]

cp?

[stable dawn]

[calm mica]

[untold crater]

using Yuki

[candid sluice]

Hey it works look at my backline health

[calm mica]

Time to use manjuu Yuki

[trail temple]

Salty should be the face of triple BB meta

[candid sluice]

Give me two more 457s then I will

[trail temple]

You only need 2, unless you don't even have your first...

[light crystal]

The first time is the most important

[candid sluice]

who doesnt have 457 in 2021

[light crystal]

who doesnt have AQL in 2021

[candid sluice]

u talkin to me?

[late heath]

Yes

[light crystal]

Sey

[candid sluice]

he doesnt know

[light crystal]

that he knows

[candid sluice]

utterly clueless

[light crystal]

utter cluelessly

[sour oasis]

It's 2021. Anyone see Naganami on torpedo meme defenses?

[late heath]

yes

[untold crater]

A few, yes

But only for 5 seconds

Then I just see the rest of the fleet, without naganami

[calm mica]

For another 5 seconds, I'm guessing?

[candid sluice]

8 because there is manju on their anchorag

[calm mica]

torp meme defenses use ancho?

[candid sluice]

who else are they gonna put manju on? new jerjey?

[calm mica]

Manjuu on Naganami so she's there for more than 5 seconds

[candid sluice]

guys is rikka good in pvp??

[crude mortar]

very good

[jovial sedge]

I see tier liests not updated...whats top dog fleet now?

[light crystal]

New Jersey and five supporters.

[light crystal]

Not expecting UR level performance, but hope she's fun

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/466250908682944522/911740950915727440/IMG_2619.png

[alpine finch]

UR level thighs

important part tbh

[slender tartan]

Does it matter if i give my shimakaze an HP aux? like rainbow torp-celestial body, or she is so OP that double rainbow-torp is good enough? Also i just gave my VV a HPFCR (finally got a second one jesus christ 24/25 for 3 weeks -_-) or gold SG-Radar is better (her other aux is beaver-badge)?

[sour oasis]

If you can focus of offense, the best defense is more offense.

[glacial yarrow]

guys , is it better to use 2 rainbow torpedo for shimakaze or 1 rainbow torpedo and 1 black slow torpedo ?

[glacial yarrow]

we still lack of info about rikka so its still cant be answered for now

[candid sluice]

i think we have a lot of info on her already

she is ssr, she is vanguard ship, 5 auxil sots

[glacial yarrow]

is her skills also already showed ?

[glacial yarrow]

also i still looking for answer on this

[candid sluice]

skill she can use 5 aux items

[sour oasis]

Given that Shima has torpedo focus, you could give her +13 UR homing torpedoes and two +13 rainbow aux to maximize her torpedo damage. The black aux is only if you aren't using homing torpedoes (and are best suited for ship with aimed torpedoes).

[untold crater]

If I can equip 5 aux then it means I can make a full Setup with oxytorps

[heavy seal]

Which backline better - Aquila, NJ, Warspite or Aquila, VV, NJ ?
No italian vanguard btw

[untold crater]

2nd

[boreal orbit]

Warspite is best Waifu

[crude mortar]

kamita won

era of avrora over now

LMAO

when saber and fantie cant even beat agent S
what am i looking at

when saber and fantie having lower rank than a dude who work 12h a day and not having nj/spagetti ships on top of it

[candid sluice]

Avrora dead server confirmed

[stable dawn]

[untold crater]

[candid sluice]

Beat by afk player

[crude mortar]

beat by hiryu nagato + what user

not even shinano

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475414043348172811/888084853017428049/ezgif-2-ae07f72529cf.gif

[candid sluice]

That’s worse than the fleet I’m using lmao

[stable dawn]

pvp confirmed to require no skill

[trail temple]

No skill, no dedication required

If you can't get top 100 without trying, you're doing it wrong