pvp

[elder crane]

just vs Nano Hiryuu if you can

the others you rely on your team just being better anyways

[glossy meteor]

Ya alright thanks for the help

So rn I should do Enty essex intrepid with sandy, juneau, and helena

[candid sluice]

Works

[coral wren]

would you like me to put up my own real team on defense instead of my level 120 unequipped garbo

not that it matters this time around

[elder crane]

sounds reasonable for a first shot
Sex bofors on Sandy/Juneau with post +10 hopefully

[coral wren]

but I could just put my attack fleet on defense

[elder crane]

ye pls do so
gib teams to actually test against
tbf probably I don't see you until later week 2 so can just wait til then

[coral wren]

out of curiosity what are your thoughts about duca replacing naganami in the noshiro/naga/jintsuu comp
I'm thinking it might be a thing

[elder crane]

I think Kanzaki recs triple sex bofors actually?

not sure, you'll have to ask him

he tested out some diff AA loadouts

[sour oasis]

More sex the better.

[elder crane]

hey you're in luck

Stats boi

Abruzzi Noshiro Naganami Jintsuu shuffles

M is for magnetic dmg, aka preload

[coral wren]

I mean I care less about theoretical dps and more about practice

[elder crane]

then you have the stuff until 15 s then the stuff post 20s

[coral wren]

like, do you think the extra defensive skills that duca has and her accuracy buff make it worth it? idk

[elder crane]

well all I know is the dmg numbers look promising

cause the current torpcomp actually kinda overkills on dmg
although idk how that will stack up vs VV and such

[coral wren]

to me at least she seems clearly seems better than naga w/r/t her own performance but idk the value of the teamwide critrate buff
that's the issue

[elder crane]

cause technically now

you can stack -78% torp dmg

since it's additive

[coral wren]

yea, but duca having 85 luck and a 15% accuracy buff on self sounds very valuable

[elder crane]

that just makes up for no Nagato

but it does make up for no Nagato

as seen on my chart

[coral wren]

the 15% buff does but the 85 luck is better tbh

[elder crane]

hitrate-wise

[coral wren]

not sure if the slower torps will be an upside or a downside

have to see

[elder crane]

I literally have the hitrates laid out there

[coral wren]

against specific hypothetical attack comps yes

[elder crane]

is not really that diff aaa

the relative hitrate is pretty much the same for 60 eva and 130 eva

so idk about you but I expect that overall

[coral wren]

I mean noshiro or not makes a big diff

like I get what you're saying that you calced it out but you made some assumptions
and since you made some assumptions I'm not super interested in the raw numbers

[elder crane]

???????

since base hitrate is basically the same

Noshiro

will have literally the same effect

like +15% evarate wow changes so much for Duca vs current comp when hitrate otherwise is something like 82% vs 80%

[coral wren]

no need to be sarcastic

I'm just pointing out that if you calc it vs specific comps it can be useful to compare two setups vs those comps but you can't necessarily translate that over to an arbitrary comp

okay sure noshiro was a bad example cause she's a flat -15% and won't change the relative difference

[elder crane]

look
I ran the numbers
And there's barely a difference at all on the hitrate numbers for diff defensive stats

[coral wren]

your chart is also extremely hard to read cause everything is abbreviated
which is fine for your own purposes cause you know what it means but I sure don't

[elder crane]

cause the offensive stats are pretty much identical

yes I didn't design it for readability, it's just an appendix

[coral wren]

ye, it's not a criticism since clearly you just threw it together
just pointing it out that it's hard for me to read the chart

[elder crane]

the overall results is
because the overall stats hitrate-wise is nearly identical to current IJN team
and that dmg numbers wise is not all that much lower
and since current team tends to overkill anyways
it's very promising

since Duca seems like she offers some nice defensive options

[coral wren]

even if you take raw hitrate is the same (sure, I'll buy that)
I'm not sure if the self-critrate buff and critdamage buff is more valuable than the naganami teamwide critrate buff

[elder crane]

it's not

but, she does offer defensive options

[coral wren]

I'm also not sure if the slower torps are an upside or a downside

[elder crane]

and it's not much worse

for the normal torps -1 speed apparently makes almost no diff

[covert swallow]

https://streamable.com/444q8v

duca torps

[coral wren]

my instincts say upside but I'm not sure since that's an upside in pvp

[elder crane]

for mags, hard to say

[covert swallow]

🐌

[coral wren]

out of curiosity how do you usually equip that comp

[elder crane]

all the same basically

blacktorp oxytorp mk9

usually staag for AA, and whatever gun you want pretty much

[trail temple]

Like this?

[coral wren]

ah okay
I wasn't invested enough in pvp to farm out more than one black oxytorp so I only have the one
which makes this comp probably not viable for me

[elder crane]

yep

ye 1 is almost certainly not going to work

2 is passable esp on offense (maaaybe actually optimal on offense? is at least not clearly worse)

lead ship without one is kindaish fine usually

[coral wren]

wonder if there's a hybrid setup maybe
like juneau duca yukikaze instead of azuma

[elder crane]

though in terms of staag vs sexbofors on the vanguard
~1.3% hitrate vs vanguard vs ~1/6 of a Juneau in terms of AA dmg

[trail temple]

Is there an appropriate order to whether jintsuu or nosh should be lead?

[elder crane]

Hybrid setups work okay on offense but tend to be shit on defense

[coral wren]

ye I'm thinking offense

defense I don't really care that much since I'm not going for EoS

[elder crane]

the lowest I could pare down to and have it still sorta work was Noshiro Leip Ibuki

anything less and it didn't have enough alpha to kill things

which is the main reason why HMS torps works at all, it stacks all the torps together to create enough alpha to murder shit through anything except immunity skills

torpbulge+Noshiro basically does nothing
although remains to be seen what happens if you stack VV and/or Duca on top of that

[trail temple]

There was that video where we showed both your torp fleets as a def fleet in action

[elder crane]

since unlike normal damage reduction, torp damage reduction is additve

ye apparently when you barely have enough alpha on offense
80% dmg scaling means you don't have enough alpha on defense

though I'm still pretty sure current team is overkilling with torps even on defense

anyways, on paper, if you stack -78% reduction and considering hitrates, hypothetically that means you can eat like 15 torps before the ship goes down

[trail temple]

I wonder if jint, leip and nosh then might have that nice middle ground?

[elder crane]

I tried that and on offense at least Noshiro Naganami Leip worked better for some reason

something something about crit scaling probably?

[trail temple]

Interesting

[elder crane]

+Naganami being higher torp dmg with 10s launch

+Nano Naganami actually having higher eHP than Jint lol

[trail temple]

I always forget about Nano's DD buff

[elder crane]

though ofc that's maybe misleading since base (HP+dred)/evarate spread is so much diff

anyways tl;dr is on paper duca seems very interesting since a Duca torpteam doesn't seem to have too much lower alpha/torp dmg in general at all

[light crystal]

[coral wren]

ye, in the Aquila VV Warkai thing I mentioned earlier

VV buffs duca in addition, potentially relevant

currently I'm running this setup on attack with Nagato Shinano Hiryuu Juneau Azuma Yukikaze

aquila's preloaded airstrike also dumps a bunch of crap on the enemy vanguard too probably

which could potentially help with the torpnuke on attack

[candid sluice]

What’s with the apcudas

Speed control?

[trail temple]

No beaver badge either

[crude mortar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/747967931702575261/827937907750600704/nanoshock2.gif

[ripe latch]

crash tactic

[upper cove]

imagine not crash memeing

[ripe latch]

2580 best on washi , how much on avrora

[covert swallow]

still 15m left

[ripe latch]

imagine rushing on 15min

[crude mortar]

is saber about to get his first win of his life

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/757943781373902878.gif?v=1

will he get walled this time

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/747967931702575261/827937907750600704/nanoshock2.gif

[ripe latch]

almost

[candid sluice]

Fuck -2

[covert swallow]

🐌

[crude mortar]

agent f > saber

[trail temple]

[royal oyster]

of all the ways I thought it might end, that was not what I expected

[candid sluice]

[royal vigil]

[noble gyro]

[royal oyster]

[mint hornet]

[candid sluice]

[light crystal]

For optimal WK sniping, u probably want to +13 a 457 asap eh

[candid sluice]

Yes

[light crystal]

We gonna be here a while

I surmise at least 6 weeks. Up to 8 and higher if unlucky.

Nah, this is worse. 8 weeks for sure

[ripe latch]

🚮

457 + white shell +13 same dmg

[light crystal]

It should at least be +12 in about 3 or so weeks.

[ripe latch]

press F for shinano

[candid sluice]

Hms aa gun

[ripe latch]

15 fp

[crude mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/eula-genshin-impact-chibi-cute-gif-21220852

[ripe latch]

i hate white shell on pvp but it work

bruh

[candid sluice]

Butchering ur fleet aa for +15 fp

[ripe latch]

imagine if AA help you on pvp

[candid sluice]

He doesn’t know

[ripe latch]

?

[light crystal]

Either way, pretty sure u get more mileage out of STAAG anyway

[upper cove]

hitting > missing at a greater magnitude

[ripe latch]

too lazy to replace equip

[trail temple]

If you're going the extra mile to use an AA gun for the split AA/FP boost, might as well use the nepgun so you get that extra 10 FP too

[upper cove]

just go full FP and do double SHS too

[trail temple]

[flint sun]

If I'm using nagato in pvp, would souryuu hiryuu be better than hiryuu enterprise?

[ripe latch]

left hiryu and put ws retro

[trail temple]

[flint sun]

Wait what

Warspite retro and nagato on the same team?

[ripe latch]

better than rng lucky e

[candid sluice]

Hiryuu enterprise is fine

Souryuu is kinda eh

[flint sun]

Hm how do I get the most out of nagato buff

[ripe latch]

shinano nagato hiryu

[flint sun]

Damn, can't get shinano

[crude mortar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/747967931702575261/827937907750600704/nanoshock2.gif

[ripe latch]

[candid sluice]

U could try shoukaku

[ripe latch]

[light crystal]

You could also try Muse Akagi

Nagato, Makagi, and Hiryuu should be alright

Better than using Hiryuu and Shoukaku with Nagato, or Hiryuu and Souryuu with Nagato.

[flint sun]

Man

I don't have muse akagi either xD

and how do you even get makagi

[trail temple]

From the muse event, so she's event locked

[next burrow]

Are essex n enty the only two uss cvs worth running atm?

[radiant brook]

Intrepid if you are sick of being burnt by Richy

[next burrow]

Oh she would be great in that case ye

[radiant brook]

Black torp gold quint is becoming a bigger and bigger problem now

Most of the time it just kills the vanguard immediately

Or failing that it can instant kill a backline if lucky enough

[ripe latch]

conti meta when

[radiant brook]

If it can instant kill 120/200 fdg, I doubt that could help the vanguard survive

[candid sluice]

Just use littorio

[radiant brook]

Didn't even MLB

[candid sluice]

[ripe latch]

just use nakaga+sirius, this main wipe trash trp vg

[crude mortar]

if you use nakaga

why sirius

just sendai

[ripe latch]

after circle fix

[elder crane]

Also it's vs torps

Have you seen my vid on Nakaga vs torps?

It's not pretty

And the issue isn't CV dmg

A single fox can wipe their vanguard with just Nagato and pairing boost

The issue is their torps bash your face in anyways

And you can't win vs Hiryuu without vanguard alive

[ripe latch]

sure

but rng

[elder crane]

Is worse than just standard comp

[ripe latch]

work on littorio/venetto/aquila

[elder crane]

Yeet Litt

+Richi

Now we talking

[ripe latch]

talk lel

[elder crane]

Then ofc run the new torpmemes

[ripe latch]

40-60% chance

[elder crane]

Abruzzi Something Something

Probably Naganami Noshiro

[ripe latch]

🚮 noshiro survive , other die

good comp

[elder crane]

?

Abruzzi is not that squish

And Naganami can be annoying sometimes

Plus only Noshiro need to survive til 20 s for second set of torps anyways

Although if you expect them to die you probably want Hiryuu main instead

[ripe latch]

think about it , maybe create vg with juneau/abruzzi/noshi

[elder crane]

As Anti-torp?
Main issues are
Main still eats shit
How do you expect to win with that

But probably is better than what you can do now

[ripe latch]

trp fleet just meme + rng

[royal oyster]

block torps with face

[elder crane]

Aquila is our main hope

Idk if she's enough to kill though

Maybe with Azuma helping

Otherwise is too many slots sacrificed imo

[ripe latch]

trp eater help

[elder crane]

You'll get shit on by standard comps instead

Abruzzi at least not a loss to slot in, but torp dred is additive scaling so I don't think it's too helpful

[ripe latch]

make own trp meme fleet

[elder crane]

Is mainly that when you already stack -70% then another -8% is massive

Ye honestly

Abruzzi only make torp team worse to face lmao

Just like Noshiro

[ripe latch]

still hate this piece of shet

[elder crane]

Drop her
Use Abruzzi instead :BuckyPride:

[ripe latch]

skunk hater

[elder crane]

On paper the torp dmg output is not much worse for slotting in Abruzzi over one of Jint, Noshiro, Naganami

And Abruzzi's extra kit probably makes up for it

+13 quint HMS torps were overkilling anyways

[ripe latch]

on my server too low ppl with strong trp team , so
maybe try blue comp

[crude mortar]

just aquila 818 with venne killing vg

https://imgur.com/UN1z6k5

if their vg dont die to torp meme

then their vg die vene salvo anyway

and slap last slot as the usual scum hiryu

and aquila launch 2nd air strike before shinano hiryu lauching air strike anyway

and they had no vg

ggez

wfc but spagetti

[light crystal]

Pasta/WK master race.

[glossy meteor]

guys help

richy, fdg, persy, and torp van what do i do

[royal oyster]

just kill it

[glossy meteor]

how it either oblitarates my front or my backline

hello anyone

[royal oyster]

block with hiryuu and then kill it because percy is useless after the preload

[glossy meteor]

i don't have hiryuu at a high enough level

[royal oyster]

otherwise reset until they target your vanguard and miss

[glossy meteor]

what is the best gear for hiryuu

hello

[delicate owl]

sea hornet/tigercat
gold helldiver
wyvern
avigas
beacon/mic

[glossy meteor]

welp anyother advicce for beating what i said above

its a richy, fdg, persy with torp team

[midnight heron]

if u cant copy them then the only way is to use another meta to fight ¯_(ツ)_/¯

if u got none of the meta then reset till u win (or just refresh if its unwinnable)

[glossy meteor]

welp i can't copy them and any meta ships i have are about 90

i ahve been trying for the last 45 minutes

[elder crane]

ye if your ship selection just isn't up to par there's not much you can do about it

[candid sluice]

Guess u have to refresh your list

[glossy meteor]

45 minutes i refuse

all i need is to get past the first 5 secs with my backline and atleast 2 frontline at half through

[elder crane]

watch as you get rekt anyways lol

[cinder wyvern]

use some vanguard that can't get insta yeeted like yuki, juea+manjuu etc

[elder crane]

that team isn't completely done after missing most of its stuff in first 5 s

[glossy meteor]

i am using juea but no majuu cause if i don't then my van or backline dies

yuki is116

[elder crane]

Juneau without Manjuu is still not saving the team though

[glossy meteor]

ok what should i do
like team comp

[cinder wyvern]

put juneau in front to eat the torps with manjuu

[glossy meteor]

ok

[elder crane]

it's a burst team
either she dies immediately or much later
manjuu is better so that if she's eating all the torps, she bodyblocks for other vanguard

[cinder wyvern]

you can invest in abruzzi if you have no noshiro

[glossy meteor]

abruzzi??

[elder crane]

low-HP torp shield

possibly helps keep vanguard alive vs torps

[cinder wyvern]

the new event shop ship

[glossy meteor]

i mean should i be using thewash treaty

[elder crane]

probably doesn't help main fleet but hey, nothing else directly would either

yes

WNT is best in like every team

even fricken AKaga works better with WNT lol

it's pretty funny

[cinder wyvern]

[glossy meteor]

ok here is my van rn juea with pear+maju, sandy, helena

[cinder wyvern]

[glossy meteor]

back formi, enty, and i can't decide on the top cause it always almost dies

[elder crane]

WNT on Akaga reduces the chance of triggering Hiryuu before their vanguard dies

[cinder wyvern]

[glossy meteor]

but either warspite, sara, hood, king george or maybe zuikaku

[glossy meteor]

akagi is too low

[elder crane]

no I wasn't reccing her

I was just talking about WNT

[cinder wyvern]

[glossy meteor]

oh nevermind

[elder crane]

and how for whatever reason it seems optimal on like every team, incl ones where at first it doesn't make sense

[spark locust]

best loadout for azuma?

dunno what to put in aux

[elder crane]

one + evasion equip, then next slot up to you

[glossy meteor]

but what should i do for the top slot a carrier or bb

[elder crane]

shoes, AA radar, second +eva equip, other +speed, all viable depending on comp and what you need to squeeze in

[spark locust]

hydraulic and...?

I wonder

[cinder wyvern]

something tough, percy gonna reveal the CV anyway

so maybe just a BB to dilute the burst dmg

[elder crane]

okay, big question here

[spark locust]

maybe beaver squad tag?

[elder crane]

where is his FdG

[spark locust]

it increases eva

[glossy meteor]

hp wise its hood close is washington

[spark locust]

so hydraulic + beaver maybe?

[glossy meteor]

who should i use

[elder crane]

cause the ship opposite FdG is going to get smacked pretty hard by barrage

[glossy meteor]

what is better in this case hood or wash also gotta worry about the persy and torps

[elder crane]

shoes is really nice if you have it, cause of the +speed
if you have enough speed, I'd actually rec you AA radar or maybe torpbulge depending on what you're having more issues with
though more eva isn't bad

[spark locust]

cosmic kicks?

[elder crane]

ngl sound equally bad but Hood probably does better here

[spark locust]

I do have it

[elder crane]

if is opposite FdG though, hmm

[glossy meteor]

well i could use hiryuu but she is 90 and only lv 7

[elder crane]

Maybe Washington if opposite FdG

otherwise that barrage will hurt

[cinder wyvern]

just your highest ship perhaps

[glossy meteor]

i could use warspite, george

[elder crane]

if not same level then higher level ship ye

[cinder wyvern]

if they're underleveled, level advantage counts alot

[glossy meteor]

i have a few 120 lvs but not meta ones rn

[elder crane]

10 levels less and no point, no ship will be better than just something half decent

[cinder wyvern]

thats still taking away 50% dmg bonus from their FDG

[glossy meteor]

also juea is only 104 also should i use yuuki?

[cinder wyvern]

junea is there to eat torps, use her in flag

[glossy meteor]

ok

[cinder wyvern]

she will die but she will help eat the torps before die

[glossy meteor]

yuki is 116 is that fine or no use sandy

[elder crane]

other than Juneau lead with Manjuu, pretty much, just take highest level ships you have
if like within 5 level diff then maybe consider ships better for the situation

otherwise the higher level ship will do better

[cinder wyvern]

[elder crane]

if that doesn't work then you pretty much have no hope

[glossy meteor]

hold on what about nelsons pennatn use that or no

[elder crane]

if lead manjuu juneau then no

[cinder wyvern]

no don't use

[elder crane]

otherwise can consider it

[glossy meteor]

should i use vh armor?

[elder crane]

very much no

torps:
100% modifier vs medium
130% modifier vs heavy

[cinder wyvern]

unless it helps the guy tanking FDG survive a bit longer

[elder crane]

okay, fair enough on that

[glossy meteor]

well it is on wash

[cinder wyvern]

ideally juneau sweep the torps afterall

[elder crane]

then no

rudder or FE will be better

[glossy meteor]

plus she is already heavy

[cinder wyvern]

[elder crane]

if already heavy then the VH armor bonus is worthless

[glossy meteor]

ok never mind

[elder crane]

you're better off with rudder or FE in this case, for tanking FdG barrage

[cinder wyvern]

plonk the VH+rudder on a CV ideally

[glossy meteor]

like enty?

[cinder wyvern]

enterprise is best bet cuz you may luck out with owarida

[elder crane]

*if the CV is dying to shellfire

[glossy meteor]

well she mostly dies to torps in the beginning

[cinder wyvern]

hopefully now juneau will sweep the torps

[elder crane]

nothing is going to stop that sadly

[cinder wyvern]

reset till she does

[elder crane]

other than Juneau ye

[cinder wyvern]

but yea

[elder crane]

do add more speed to vanguard if you don't have anything right now

[cinder wyvern]

if the torps get through, just reset

[glossy meteor]

ok wash i have repairkit+steering gear
enty naval and beacon
formi cata+oiltank
juneau pearl+manjuu
sandy
helan sound good

i could switch out sandy to like prinz eugen but i know that isn't very smart

[cinder wyvern]

I would move the pearl off juneau cuz of the risk of over healing, and other ships can benefit from the 500 hp more

Since the enemy is BB and torp heavy, you can spam as much evasion gear on what ever ship that can afford it

[glossy meteor]

well frick

it doesn't even matter nowi got soo low down to 2100 from 1700 cause it been over to close to 2 hours i got a new enemy

i hate pvp sometimes
especially torp teams

should i use the slow debuff plane with formi

[elder crane]

what exactly are you trying to do with it

Formi should be launching last

so not like it'll help your other main fleet

[glossy meteor]

well what i gave her when my enty barrage comes its worn off

why is rng agaisnt me

enemy enty that multiple times doesn't fail a luckyE

[sour oasis]

RNG is usually against everyone everywhere

🎲

[glossy meteor]

But this was like unreal rng I mean it happened solid for like 7 resets

[radiant brook]

You have never seen Nagato proc-ing her barrage for 20 times in a row

[trail temple]

You're right, I haven't. Because the games didn't last that long

[candid sluice]

[cinder wyvern]

Rng is always on my side

Anything under 10 reset is good rng

[trail temple]

If you spend less than an hour trying to win a match, you're doing fine

[covert swallow]

hearing you guys talk about these struggles makes me realize how easy I've got it on amagi

[candid sluice]

Imagine not doing 5 tickets in 3 minutes

[covert swallow]

[trail temple]

That's why I joined you guys in Amagi too

Before you get Noshiro

[cinder wyvern]

You multiboxing fek now you triple timing avrora, lexy and amagi

[trail temple]

You forgot Washy

[cinder wyvern]

Quadra boxing fek

[trail temple]

QuadAsian

[cinder wyvern]

5 more to go

And then another 60

[trail temple]

I'd need tentacles to go that far, and if I did have tentacles I wouldn't be here, I would be in several porn films

[candid sluice]

OctoAsian when

[trail temple]

Would need to join the pvp scene in tw and jp

[cinder wyvern]

Thats what the uranium mine in your backyard is for

[trail temple]

as well as Sandy

[candid sluice]

What are u waiting for

[trail temple]

Laptop can't take more than 4

[candid sluice]

I’m tempted to make an alt in avrora just to do pvp there

[cinder wyvern]

you're just gonna be feeding them

[candid sluice]

For the first 6 months

[trail temple]

Do it

[candid sluice]

Ok bet

Akaga here I come

[trail temple]

Bigger room, better computer and I'll run Sandy too for complete EN coverage

[ripe latch]

[cinder wyvern]

@trail temple pp

sorry

just incase

[ripe latch]

logs

[cinder wyvern]

well if imma get banned i'll get banned

its an obligation to continue a meme

[ripe latch]

[candid sluice]

[cinder wyvern]

[shy hazel]

top 1 eos or ban

[ripe latch]

[trail temple]

Vice will wall him

[radiant brook]

Did ALM succeed in t10 Washington?

[candid sluice]

But it doesn’t matter

[ripe latch]

meta lives matter

they say - not off started

[lime rivet]

So just checking, anyone else encounter StagPrince on Avrora?

[trail temple]

He hasn't started the challenge yet

[radiant brook]

He runs richy/percy/warkai+black torp?

[lime rivet]

No, he allegedly has a 19k backline featuring Enterprise.

[radiant brook]

Oh haven't seen that yet

[lime rivet]

So if anyone encounters him, I'd be real happy to see any videos of matches against him.

[trail temple]

There is one from a week ago

#pvp message

[radiant brook]

He is in avrora right? If syanda met him

[trail temple]

Kanzaki is in avrora, stagprince is definitely in avrora

[radiant brook]

Well shit

Unless he equips nothing on enty

[candid sluice]

The guy with 20k hp enty?

[lime rivet]

70k, but yeah. Trying to verify it.

[candid sluice]

Ah was off by about 50k

[covert swallow]

Simple mistake. You just weren't calculating his extra toolbox he has on her

[sour oasis]

I asked and was told they can hit 20k+ with two seal of 4 gods (or any gold HP-boost aux, like the muse dress). I don't know how their power levels reach 19k though.

[candid sluice]

I thought u could only equip those on destroyers?

[sour oasis]

[candid sluice]

Probably stacking two +13 550s or something

[sour oasis]

Celestial Body dress and Gamer's Mark would also give a combined +1.2k

But pre-PvP boost HP of 20k for a boat who only has 6k (when even BB are limited to 10k) is.. I can't even fathom that.

Whatever is doing that is what's likely inflating the fleet power

[sacred heath]

i thought the consensus was there were some bannable shenanigans at work

[sour oasis]

[elder crane]

the question is if it can be done in general or if it's modded client only
if first, then the bug is only on the server's side, not the player's problem

regardless there has to be some 🍝 at work here

[ripe latch]

[candid sluice]

How to beat torpmemes: just dodge them

[ripe latch]

make own trp team

[sour oasis]

[ripe latch]

[elder crane]

Own torps... are actually the worst vs a torpteam I swear...
Literally worse than a coinflip

[ripe latch]

better than see how u vg wipe out

[candid sluice]

Torpmeme offense

[light crystal]

She's ready

Time to try out

[ripe latch]

let think

[light crystal]

I shall roll with this.

Gotta noob it out for a week or so more

[ripe latch]

why delete if they have logs

[ripe latch]

[covert swallow]

ik he's missing hiryuu, but underleveled pasta memes

[sour oasis]

Is Azami supposed to a reference, or just a name you liked?

[light crystal]

Both? From XBC2

[candid sluice]

[light crystal]

[crude mortar]

rich people

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/757943781373902878.gif?v=1

[sour oasis]

Aren't you one?

[north vine]

people that oaths for pvp arent rich

[candid sluice]

It’s the only place where 120/200 matters

[cinder wyvern]

Oath for pvp to flex custom names

[trail temple]

I thought it was to remove the retro suffix

[leaden sky]

Add retro to ur oathed eugen, now u have eugen kai

[north vine]

"Sandy (Kai ni)"

[vast stratus]

what are the good comps for VV in attacking fleet?

[crude mortar]

i never change my oath ship name

they are not pet why are you naming them

[delicate owl]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/528197562998718474/837227892630093864/ezgif-4-d857130effb0.gif

[crude mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/757943781373902878.gif?v=1

[north vine]

or you just suck at naming

[trail temple]

Aquila, Warkai and Duca maybs?

[covert swallow]

my scuffed underleveled team is working so far

[trail temple]

I was gonna say that vg looks very sub-optimal then I realised the server

[covert swallow]

well, I have no chance beating meta fleets without my ships being 120 with maxed skills, so I just went with something slightly close to meta, but a bit off

[trail temple]

I wonder if Juneau and Azuma might be better on the team

[covert swallow]

do you mean on my team?

[north vine]

but he wants to win in 15s

[trail temple]

Aye

[covert swallow]

I never raised juneau, and I only have like 50bps for azuma

[trail temple]

Know the feels

[covert swallow]

my normal comp is helena/suzu/sandy - nagato/shinano/hiryuu

amagi is easy enough to where I don't feel like I need juneau yet

I really don't like how juneau looks so I don't want to raise her for pvp

[trail temple]

That's why I thought I'd poke my nose into the Amagi server as well

Actually, Salty wanted friends in Amagi

/s

[candid sluice]

By friends I meant agents

[frigid grove]

uhm....
19k main fleet power?
(Not my pic)

[covert swallow]

his enty is bugged/exploited

[frigid grove]

oh thx

But what bug?

[covert swallow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGjV2swHSRg

[frigid grove]

oh I see

ty

[covert swallow]

godmode enty

[midnight heron]

tf nice hax

[crude mortar]

my 2nd wyvern after reset

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/749898857567223848/832883736080285716/kw1.gif

[north vine]

wake me up once you guys 3 wyvern

[candid sluice]

All the pve casuals are getting third wyvern

Too bad it’s useless for em

[north vine]

im near my 3rd
but im running wskai

[covert swallow]

I'm only just about to get my 2nd next opsi reset, and I haven't missed any prints

[trail temple]

I'm on the bare minimum

So 1/3 to my second

[candid sluice]

Same

[leaden sky]

im on my 2nd non-existent UR AA

[spark galleon]

Who would be the best third main fleet ship to run if i wanna try out a Percy/Aquila comp? WK? Riche? VV? Someone else?

Will probably try to stick sirius in the vanguard as well

Im on Amagi btw if that changes things

And i do not have a 457mm

[leaden sky]

well if you're going for preload comp, then usually WK for sniping, and you can try VV for the pseudo preload

riche can be good flagship to deal damage to opp VG, especially lower hp ships

sirius is a bit lackluster since u only have 1 cv at the back, which kinda wasting her buff imo

[spark galleon]

Wouldnt it be 2 carriers with Perseus and Aquila?

[candid sluice]

Fdg

[leaden sky]

i thought it was either percy or aqui

[spark galleon]

My fdg is dev18 lul

[candid sluice]

Wait ur using both Percy and warkai?

Why

U just need one to reveal

[trail temple]

Don't you mean "Percy and Aquila"?

[spark galleon]

Yeah I want to try a comp with Percy and Aquila and I'm wondering about some possibilities for who the best 3rd main fleet ship could be

[candid sluice]

Probably warkai to take advantage of the reveal

But u only need one of those carriers

[leaden sky]

just leave percy out and put riche instead for more damage imo

[trail temple]

Meme with full preload backline

[candid sluice]

Yeh

Don’t need Percy if u alr got Aquila

[leaden sky]

cuz percy after 2 preload just takes too long to strike again

[candid sluice]

And use monarch or something if u don’t have fdg

Also u kinda want 457 with that comp but amagi server lol

[spark galleon]

I'm zoomin

[tall nimbus]

probably wants to try out a full wipeout of rear right at the start

[candid sluice]

French preload too fast to take advantage of Aquila reveal

Still shooting vanguard

[leaden sky]

pretty sure their backline wont get wiped from percy and aqui

[spark galleon]

Their vanguard might if i run sirius

[candid sluice]

[leaden sky]

just riche instead lol, but u can try the comp tho

[candid sluice]

How much hit does Aquila have

[sour oasis]

Needs more wyvern

[candid sluice]

Percy dmg kinda yucky

[leaden sky]

prolly, i'd like to try it too if i have the resource

[spark galleon]

Aquila has 40 luck, 101 hit

[candid sluice]

And terrible db slot

Can’t rely on tbs alone to wipe vang

Pers doesn’t even have db

[elder crane]

Pretty sure that's the point

Percy Aquila Warkai just sounds shit cause Warkai alone isn't enough to focus anything down
Percy/Aquila does more dmg to vanguard anyways, probably
But ye I think Richi/VV/Aquila would kill VG better than Percy+Aquila+VV/Richi

[candid sluice]

If u wanna wipe vg ig try Aquila with 818 and richy jb tho idk if the planes arrive in time for the shelling

Point still stands that no need to use Percy if u have Aquila

[elder crane]

Why use JB when you can run VV instead

[candid sluice]

Do we know yet her barrage priorities

[covert swallow]

Random

Her barrage and her skill are both random

[distant token]

what about akaga vs vg

[elder crane]

Aquila Akaga is maybe interesting, though from what I see out of Nano Akaga, I doubt it can wipe vanguard by 15 s which is basically the intent of Aquila AKaga

On the 20 s launches, Aquila won't even hit before Nano/Hiryuu do either since Nagato reload buff is basically the same effect as Aquila cdr

[candid sluice]

Nagato + akaga with fm boost can barely do dmg

[elder crane]

?
Nagato Akaga does dmg just fine with double wyvern

Or like even Nano Akaga I had to run WNT on

Otherwise first strike would proc Hiryuu

Beeg damages

Beeeeeg

[ripe latch]

no sirius 🚮

(on first)

[crude mortar]

miss 1 charge cuz holding

and adhd took over

time to become collusionist again

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/760040192324272169/837376250355777636/yeet_klee.gif

[candid sluice]

[trail temple]

[sour oasis]

Just

[buoyant parrot]

is there anything got added to the new meta?

the new BB Flag Pasta ship viable?

[trail temple]

Attack fleet VV and Aquila seem good

gph didn't believe me when I said this

[buoyant parrot]

really... Aquila???? 🤔

[trail temple]

Preload airstrike

[covert swallow]

[leaden sky]

It's gph, most of them dont bother with pvp

[buoyant parrot]

yeah I mean she's just like Percy but better

and I don't think I'll ever see a Percy in the top 1-20 EOS...

[trail temple]

Ofc you won't it's not great in a defence fleet

[covert swallow]

^ most percy users only do it in atk

since you can position your snipes

[buoyant parrot]

hmmmm

[trail temple]

Just need Duca in your vg and Veneto gets all her buffs

[covert swallow]

besides juneau/azuma (don't have them) what do you think are some other good vanguard options to pair with duca

[trail temple]

That's why it's amusing when they start arguing back with nonsense

I would say noshiro might be an option, but Amagi also wouldn't have her at this stage

[covert swallow]

yep, but maybe soontm

I was thinking noshiro/duca/jintsuu or something like that

[trail temple]

You want your vg to stall, I think

[covert swallow]

true, with warkai aquila veneto I just want my vanguard to live as long as possible

I'm really shooting myself in the foot by refusing to use juneau

[trail temple]

Yes, you kind of are

I just started on Amagi so kinda need as many golds as possible

Same with Lexy

[candid sluice]

What abt sandy

[trail temple]

If I had a better laptop I may have considered it

But it can only handle 4 simultaneous instances

[trail temple]

@lime rivet I'm about to fight Stagprince, did you wanna see it?

[covert swallow]

[lime rivet]

@trail temple yeah. could you grab a recording if possible?

[trail temple]

Sure

[lime rivet]

what rank is he at, out of curiousity? gonna see if i can fight him myself

[trail temple]

rank 28

Uploading video now, got two fights, his HP on Enty was roughly 72k (18k heal from Juneau)

[candid sluice]

How does he do it

[covert swallow]

UR toolbox

[midnight heron]

||he has godrolled hp artifacts||

[trail temple]

@lime rivet https://youtu.be/FUloH6Lqj44 - enjoy

[lime rivet]

Thanks

[candid sluice]

I think he just has a good gaming chair

[wide minnow]

Good time to put in a reminder that you can report a user to staff directly via the Belfast bot

Things like Mr Stagprince here don’t tend to be fixed without being brought up

[trail temple]

[ripe latch]

[candid sluice]

[shy hazel]

report them pvp colluders

[distant token]

wdym colluders

[candid sluice]

What is “collude”?

[next burrow]

When supposed competitors work together to maximize joint benefits and reduce uncertainty of each other’s plans

I think

[candid sluice]

[ripe latch]

[shy hazel]

mods activate spy network pls, ban all those who collude in their al pvp servers

[candid sluice]

[ripe latch]

70k enty vs 70k enty

[candid sluice]

Somehow managed to do the 1049 strat

[light crystal]

I need one more gold Bullin for muh Duca. Well, two, but got 17k to buy one from PvP Shop. I've grinded over 50k Points at D3, and no Duca drop, fuck my luck lol

[ripe latch]

w8 monday and exchange

[light crystal]

Working on my Pasta at once for peeveepee. So VV, AQL, and Duca.

[ripe latch]

[light crystal]

Dedication.

[ripe latch]

not enough 2 bulins for vv , bruh

[north vine]

not mlb

[covert swallow]

[radiant brook]

How to make warspite target her BB shots to the back instead of shooting at the vanguard?

[candid sluice]

Preload carrier

[covert swallow]

her skill will lock on the ship furthest from her, so place her at bottom if you're trying to snipe the top ship etc

if you're trying to snipe a CV you need perseus or aquila to spot them

[radiant brook]

I mean her BB shots and not the skill

Sometimes she fires at the vanguard even if the enemy has a nagato

[candid sluice]

First one targets up

Second and third shots random

[radiant brook]

So no way to force the 2nd and 3rd shots to target the back?

[candid sluice]

Nop

[north vine]

just nuke the vg before she has to fire 🧠

[elder crane]

If you want less targeting RNG then preload and aim at vanguard

[candid sluice]

French preloads

[north vine]

akaga + aquila

[elder crane]

Ah yes the maximum tickle strat

Vv also basically preload too

-95% with HPFCR

[north vine]

i trust cv rng hit more

than bbs

[elder crane]

That team also has nowhere near enough dmg to kill though

[north vine]

true

akaga + aquila 3 wyvern with torp meme

[elder crane]

Plus volume of fire out of Richi +VV is very high

[north vine]

how aids will it be

on def

[elder crane]

Not at all cause lol Hiryuu basically

Well

Less cancer than normal torps

[north vine]

i believe in the fantasy

that i dont proc final counter

[elder crane]

More cancer than nontorp save maybe Helena comps

[north vine]

[elder crane]

Then you lose

Cause FC wipes your main

Cause no own Hiryuu

[north vine]

i believe in

[elder crane]

Manjuu Enty loses to Hiryuu though

Timings don't work out for her

[north vine]

well assuming enty rng just sucks

[elder crane]

No like if it comes down to Enty vs Hiryuu, Enty always loses

FC lasts too long and doesn't have Hiryuu instadie at end

[north vine]

my rng begs to differ

then again im in sandy

[elder crane]

The only way that works is if Hiryuu proc'd before enty strike wave hits

[north vine]

it can happen

[elder crane]

Otherwise FC return strike hits after lucky E is over, pops Manjuu, then Enty dies before she's able to kill hiryuu after FC ends

[north vine]

its really just rng on when i proc enemy fc

[elder crane]

But ye on Hiryuu vs Enty 1v1 is Enty loss every time

Do you know what's funny

[north vine]

how well does

does 831 hiryuu work

[elder crane]

Irl Enty wrecked Hiryuu Souryuu Akagi Kaga at Midway

In AL

3/4 of those soft counter enty lol

And Enty only counters Souryuu

Why 831 though

[north vine]

crash

[elder crane]

Battles are more decided by whose vanguard dies than anything else tho

And 831 cuda surface dmg is

Better than Fulmar I guess

[north vine]

also in the miracle rng where i armor break vg and nagato proc

[elder crane]

Timings wrong tho

Plus

[candid sluice]

[elder crane]

If bombs hit

Then more bomb dmg > 8% boost for Nagato dmg

[candid sluice]

Enty vs hiryuu isn’t always a loss

If the timing lines up enty can win

[elder crane]

If 1v1 it is a loss

[candid sluice]

Not always

[elder crane]

Enty need Hiryuu FC to not be proc by her strike

[candid sluice]

She launches just before hiryuu planes arrive

[north vine]

does essex absolute evasion stay even if she dies

[candid sluice]

8 sec is enough for her planes to arrive at end screen

[elder crane]

Timings don't line up for that if Enty strike pops FC

Enty needs something other than her strike to pop FC

[candid sluice]

Unless hiryuu not using avgas for some reason

Is this 1v1 from full health or after everyone is wiped

If from full then yea enty loss

But in real matches she has a chance

[elder crane]

At low health 1v1 then you need intercept planes to line up right

[candid sluice]

If she can survive fighter and barrage crash she should be fine

[elder crane]

In real matches is only soft enty counter ye since if someone else pop FC then Enty has good chance to win

[candid sluice]

Which most likely fc will be popped by then

If not then something went wrong earlier on and it’s a loss either way

[elder crane]

Regardless, if FC is popped by Enty strike, then lucky E wears off before FC strike comes in - if that strike pops Manjuu on Enty, then Manjuu ends only like 1 s after FC, and Manjuu is instant death while FC is not
Is still relevant occasionally
And I still really don't like Manjuu on Enty

[candid sluice]

But if you’re using manjuu on enty you are lost no matter what

There is no justification running it on her

[crude mortar]

can i have 6 manju for 6 ships

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/528197562998718474/837227892630093864/ezgif-4-d857130effb0.gif

[candid sluice]

[elder crane]

I think I'd only use one more Manjuu on Seattle or Helena and that's it

[royal oyster]

just give us an ijn manjuu

[covert swallow]

give italian manjuu

[candid sluice]

Manjuu Eldridge

Someone’s gonna do it

[crude mortar]

for what lmao

[radiant brook]

Eldridge can't even take dmg during manjuu

Which is needed for ops rainbow to proc

[candid sluice]

Woah really

[elder crane]

There are three class of on being hit skills
Best class is skills that pop even on missed shots cause ????
Then there's ones that need to be hit, but 0 dmg hit from HP shields is fine
Then there's ones that need HP to go down to work

Which ones are which? Who tf knows from the description

🍝

CN wiki has an article listing datamine/testing results

[flint python]

Weirdga

[candid sluice]

🍝

So which skill goes into which category

[elder crane]

@candid sluice
For example of first class is Cheshire or Birmingham Skill
For example of second is Eld or Zara skill
For example of third, all the zombie skills

Iirc

[next burrow]

Wait so basically zara can refresh her shield?

Or does it refer to a shield given to her by another unit

[covert swallow]

I think my veneto is doing something wrong

[elder crane]

Zara shield has cooldown so no, can't refresh
Also cannot proc on missed shots
However if Lusty or JdA or Aquila shield blocks a shot to 0 dmg, she can still pop her shield when off cooldown, despite the shield absorbing the damage

Bullet shields absorb shots away from chara so no skills proc off them being hit

HP shields actually just set dmg taken to 0

[candid sluice]

So it’s just a case of spaghetti coding

[elder crane]

Aka literally everything in AL pretty much

[next burrow]

Oh okay... good to know

[candid sluice]

For second case is that when any shield is hit or the specific ships shield

[elder crane]

On the specific ship ye

Basically for those ships a 0 dmg hit still counts as a hit

And since HP shields technically set incoming dmg to 0 instead of absorbing the shot...

[covert swallow]

are these aux fine to run on duca

[elder crane]

Seems fine to me

[candid sluice]

So I can’t proc eld with ironblood shields?

Would’ve been a good meme

[glad mulch]

luigi + noshiro gona be savage

[light crystal]

I mean, I plan to run AQL/VV/WK, JNU/DUCA/NOSH. I think that's a good and balanced team 🤔

High offense and burst, and has high anti-torp qualities.

[elder crane]

-WK cause tf is the point anyways? Idk if you can even kill focus target at 25 s barrage lol
+Hiryuu apparently surprisingly good, also you're a semitorp team you need a finisher
+Richi ofc if you wanna double down on slapping vanguard

[light crystal]

Where u talking to me? 🤔

Cuz VV/AQL/WK should work out.

[elder crane]

I don't see what wk brings to that team

[candid sluice]

Aquila ws duo for early snipe

[elder crane]

Aquila ws isn't going to snipe shit

it's less crash than percy ws and that needs FdG to work well

VV is not even targeted

[candid sluice]

That’s why I’m in the fdg team

[crude mortar]

818 aquilla with veneto deleting vg

and hiryu to tilt enemy after taht

[light crystal]

I think ur underestimating WK

[elder crane]

WK is just like a torpboat, but another name really

just like how a solo torpboat set up for torps is shit

if you can't hit a threshold for the snipe then it doesn't do enough

[light crystal]

All I know is I struggled like 3 times to beat this guy with my own mirror (Seattle instead of YKKZ) in the morning. Then I tried some other configs, kept losing, and then I tried WK, and I somehow won

I think he might be running double Wyvern, so unless u double Wyvern back, it's sorta an uphill battle with mirror

[candid sluice]

Wyvern just that strong

[distant token]

smh imagine not not doing OS for 3 months

[light crystal]

It doesn't help the the current OS Shop cycle did not have a single UR BP. Missing two from 2nd Wyverm

[north vine]

not grinding 3rd already smh

[radiant brook]

Or just unfortunate enough that you only get rainbow plane from shop UR design

[covert swallow]

Level 109 duca tanked both airstrikes + final counter

Guess it's time to put my pearl tears on someone else because she ends up being last alive

[candid sluice]

Self awareness

[distant token]

wdym

i totally have a third wyvern rn

[light crystal]

Wel, like I said, she has like 5k base HP at 120/200, on top of the CL PvP bonuses

So if she's tanky at 109, it's reassuring for 120.

[covert swallow]

Yea

And she buffs her own eva for 60s

[light crystal]

She has 132 base EVA with VV at 120.200

With 85 Luck

And u can bump it to 170+ EVA with a Rudder

[light crystal]

Always a sight to see the Fox do her thing

[covert swallow]

so uh, here's my 120/200 aquila with wyvern

[light crystal]

R u using VG that boost AVI/CV?

[covert swallow]

nope

this is my team

and this was the enemy

his vanguard moved forward so all the wyvern + barrage torps got placed behind and all hit nagato, it was mostly rng tbf, but the damage is still insane.

[leaden sky]

aquila stronk

[light crystal]

VV/AQL good combo.Then have WK pick off the CV's (U can see she murdering the bunny on lower side).

[covert swallow]

yep I forgot to adjust her to snipe shinano

but it didn't matter anyways

[light crystal]

I feel sniping Hiryuu is better, easier kill 🤔

[candid sluice]

[covert swallow]

maybe yea, but my vanguard is pepega underleveled torp memes, so if shinano strikes sometimes they get wiped

[light crystal]

Good point

[upper cove]

Ya that's definitely a fluke
The fact that the nagato rolled exactly 0 evasions is impressive by itself

[covert swallow]

yea it's not like she's consistently going to nuke a backline like that, I just thought the damage looks way more impressive than I was expecting

[light crystal]

Well either way, it shows that AQL is more than just a de-stealther. Preload + 2/2/4 + DMG onus increase + faster AS CD. Great package.

[covert swallow]

I'd test and record more battles to show, but it's not easy to find a meta fleet to test against on amagi

[elder crane]

Is not just that, almost all your crash went to Nagato too

[covert swallow]

just get good rng like that every fight

[elder crane]

that's actually bad RNG

Nagato is just a buff stick for absorbing dmg

[covert swallow]

does her buff still last even after she dies?

[elder crane]

Yes

[covert swallow]

oh ok I didn't know that

[elder crane]

Nagato buff is permanent

Anyways nowadays is pretty typical for Juneau to be only ship that can sometimes do less dmg than Nagato does

[elder crane]

That's actually torps lol if you mean Kris gif

Pretty obvious given it's not even the right timing
And you can see there's no shots going in

[light crystal]

Well either way, WK would've opened up after

[elder crane]

Ye and done... what exactly

Until she kills her target her contribution has been exactly zero

Is the fundamental issue here
Without those torps RNG wskai probably doesn't even pop Hiryuu skill half the time by 20 s

So effectively has done nothing until 25 s in when second barrage/aquila strike does it

It's why I don't like Hiryuu in standard mirror anymore
She just does nothing for far too long

[light crystal]

Dude, y the hell u hate WK, u know she's good lmao

She was meta for over a year, destealth is the only thing that brought her reign over

Like bruh

[elder crane]

I shilled wskai a bunch when she was actually useful in her comp

The current meta doesn't have her be useful

[light crystal]

Yeah either way, ur going too hard on hatin her

Makes no sense to me tbh

[elder crane]

Is she good anyways? Sure
Is she the best option here? Heck no, contribution is too low too late

[light crystal]

But destealth will make her really good. Mostly in Attack I guess, but I rather have a consistent attack that doesnt give a shit how many Wyverns u got cuz u can just murder with WK

So like, yeah

[elder crane]

Would be like randomly taking Naganami with Juneau Azuma

Would Naganami still do okay? Sure

[light crystal]

She will be the best option for Attack, period

Sure

[elder crane]

Is it the right comp for her? Heck no

[light crystal]

VERY sure

[elder crane]

Taking Richi or Hiryuu makes much more sense here

[light crystal]

I'm not saying she will be defense meta, cuz u can off-tank her, reset, and she will do 20% less damage

Richy doesn't make any sense to me, so lets agree to disagree on that

But anyway, reliable af Attack, I can deffo see her

[elder crane]

I look forwards to this comp just losing to Nanoryuu and/or torpmemes defenses 🤷

[light crystal]

If u wanna stick to relying on CV on attack, then have at it

[elder crane]

who said anything about relying on CV lol

[light crystal]

Nah, just keep using CV's on Attack, it seems u want to stick to it anyway

[elder crane]

??????

Are you blind lmao

[light crystal]

I am not

[elder crane]

my main shill is Richi VV Aquila lol

[karmic forum]

If your goal is to snipe a backliner then richy doesn't make sense but I think its better to kill the vanguard fast with that comp, which ws doesn't contribute anything to

[elder crane]

Hiryuu I only mention cause someone else tested with it and it worked really well vs torp comp

[light crystal]

WK never contributed to VG killing, cuz she always will shoot backline anyway. Richy, eh

[elder crane]

WS doesn't even snipe main is the issue

[light crystal]

I did use Richy comp for a while, I think it was with WK? Forgot, it was a while ago

[elder crane]

you just straight do not have the dmg with WS in this comp to snipe shit reliably

[light crystal]

Huh?

Explain

[karmic forum]

My point being that focusing the backline isn't as effective as focusing the vanguard with aquila comps.

[elder crane]

At best you'll kill with 25 s barrage reliably

at worst it won't be til second round of shelling that WS focuses down her target

[light crystal]

U should have already killed a CV before then tho 🤔

[elder crane]

except you don't?

[light crystal]

Except

Where u get this info from anyway?

[elder crane]

Percy Warkai FdG was already marginal on killing the target

[light crystal]

Have uy tried it urself, or have others have and u've observed?

[elder crane]

Aquila does barely any more crash than percy does if you bring VV

[light crystal]

Oh, because of PErseus