pvp

[radiant brook]

Unless it's black torp

[covert swallow]

[radiant brook]

:azumaarson:

[covert swallow]

I don't think I've seen any triple black torp teams on amagi at all personally

none of us were smart enough to farm them during the event

also no noshiro yet

[radiant brook]

They are starting to get more and more common in avrora

But still not common enough to stop doing PvP

[candid sluice]

There are no teatorps defense in amagi yet

Just half assed attempts

[covert swallow]

[ripe latch]

[ashen lion]

2 wyvern on his MF ? Damn, people already get 2 wyvern

[light crystal]

Lucc saccs that deserve burning at the stake 🔥

[distant token]

doesn't leon have 2 wyverns

[covert swallow]

rate my 10/10 vanguard

[ashen lion]

Who is leon ?
That is from sandy server btw.

[candid sluice]

How do ppl have two wyverns alr

Extreme lucc with cats probs

[covert swallow]

[candid sluice]

Me out here getting everything except plane prints

[distant token]

he's from avrora and usually in this chat. He's like cmd level 98

[radiant brook]

@distant token no I only have 1

4/9 to 2nd wyvern

[trail temple]

No-wyvern-cult assemble

We're an extremely elite group

[radiant brook]

3 BB gang assemble

[covert swallow]

3BB

[ripe latch]

6 gyro for cv lovers

[radiant brook]

What does gyro do?

[candid sluice]

Rudder backline

[unreal storm]

gyro adds hit stat

[candid sluice]

It gives speed for backline

[radiant brook]

I got bumped down to 140th place at EOS score

[covert swallow]

no top10 finish for me

[zenith tundra]

you should wait for last like 2 min to check

eos people usually rush last 10 min

[candid sluice]

Highest points I’ve ever finished

[ripe latch]

@zenith tundra nobody update tierlist on pin?

[candid sluice]

It’s been dead for a while

[ripe latch]

no

[covert swallow]

wait you're that guy that runs shinano hiryuu enty

[candid sluice]

It’s shit I know

[covert swallow]

I've had a few times where I had to reset because rng

[ripe latch]

its works

[zenith tundra]

idk who might be working on it. i only came back to al 1 month ago

[candid sluice]

I literally have nothing better than enty

[covert swallow]

I've been using enty for a long time, but I finally decided to swap her out with hiryuu

[ashen lion]

This fcking bllsht black dildo

[candid sluice]

Did u lose already

[zenith tundra]

is that stalled into next season?

[ripe latch]

manju helena help

[candid sluice]

Oh I see

[ashen lion]

YESN'T

[candid sluice]

Lol rip

[covert swallow]

first time someone instantly moved after refresh and didn't afk their pvps

I'm so happy

[zenith tundra]

you know ur list is generated when you login after season reset right? if you login like 1 min after reset u have like 95% chances of finding rushers in list

[covert swallow]

yea I know, but I still get stuck behind people at the start usually

lots of low level people who just lose their fights too

[ashen lion]

No, i need 5x to kill thats black dildo fleet.

[zenith tundra]

oh what server is that?

[covert swallow]

amagi

[zenith tundra]

ok makes sense i guess

[radiant brook]

Black torp in amagi

[wintry rune]

Oh. Haha

[grizzled hemlock]

RNG is a bitch to you lol

[trail temple]

Always has been

[radiant brook]

🧑‍🚀

[trail temple]

Time to repeat the pain all over again... I mean, join rush lane

[light crystal]

I got 3rd in WA, and I had an awful start last season

[naive dome]

how come is this team so good at wrecking my backline before my first airstrike ?

[leaden sky]

Perseus 2xpreload remove your CV's stealth, warspite goes pewpew on ur backline

[distant token]

^

just run shinano

[candid sluice]

Use wnt and someone to soak warspites initial shot, the rest will fold to your carriers

[elder crane]

Hiryuu soaks fine btw

[ripe latch]

nakaga and zero problem

[elder crane]

And since QE+Warkai you can also just Shinano tank it probably

[ripe latch]

[elder crane]

Naw

Nakaga and you do not enough dmg and die anyways

[ripe latch]

enough, put juneau

[radiant brook]

Ppl still think that wnt alone can stop a proper black teatorp team

[ripe latch]

helena can tank first wave

problem with suzuki+yuki team with eva shinano buff

and this triple have ihr +13

[distant token]

just reset

[radiant brook]

Yeah I wish my ships will just proc manjuu and tank

But no they have to expose the ones without manjuu and killing them

Leaving the one with manjuu alive

[ripe latch]

u find another guy , but with yuki azuma juneau with that shit

[distant token]

no not refresh

[ripe latch]

[distant token]

just exit and rebattle against torp memes

[ripe latch]

and see, how u torps/shells miss

need more tests with sirius, maybe she help

[ashen lion]

But yeah thanks to you this week i can sleep well. Coz i dont need sandbagging for next 2 weeks.

[wintry rune]

I just laugh why so salty? :)

[ripe latch]

[trail temple]

What's gacha without salt?

[sour oasis]

Solitaire without an undo button.

[abstract horizon]

what makes hiryuu good pivk in pvp

[elder crane]

Basically final counter

She gets an extra free strike from it then probably a second strike given it lasts 15 s

PvP matches are usually under a minute (or like, she's what usually stretches them beyond one min lol) so most CV get off 2, maybe 3 strikes launches, she gets off four
And if dmg incoming is even (which it usually is end-heavy so even more) then her immunity is effectively at least -20% dmg taken

On top of that ofc she's IJN so gets Shinano/Nagato buffs, and help activates Shinano buff

[light crystal]

Meh

[elder crane]

The limitation is that her plane loadout and base stats are merely okay rather than anything broken about it

Also she does nothing else

[light crystal]

Just use Enty for infinite air strikes.

[elder crane]

Enty actually is fairly poor matchup vs Final Counter usually since it usually hits when her immunity is down

[light crystal]

Use Manjuu Enty

[elder crane]

Then she just dies cause Manjuu

[light crystal]

It's all fine as long as they die first

[elder crane]

Hiryuu stays alive after FC until you actually hit her

Manjuu = ded

Or like if you Manjuu in response to FC do you even outlast FC immunity lol

And then you need to also hit her before Manjuu ends

Anyways Enty actually fairly okay in current meta if you can't reliably win anyways

[light crystal]

[elder crane]

Tho honestly Helena proc Nano/Hiryuu hits harder than 3 USN CV

Been playing around w anti airstrike tech on Azuma and she still dies like 15% ish of the time

[light crystal]

Owarida hits harder

[elder crane]

Naw

No issues vs 3 USN even without the tech

[light crystal]

[candid sluice]

[elder crane]

In any case as defense comps optimize themselves more it seems like even the best set-up offense will have issues reaching 90+% WR vs the most troublesome def comps

[candid sluice]

Yes use manjuu enty so I can get free wins

[elder crane]

Nanoryuu Helena actually works on def if you set it up right and ofc new HMS blacktorpmemes is extra cancer torpmemes

[abstract horizon]

ill just use both manjuu enty and hiryuu

[trail temple]

What's your ideal setup for Helena Blue?

[elder crane]

The guy I was testing vs ran Nanoryuu Juneau Helena Azuma and also tried Helena Azuma Juneau
Couldn't really tell the diff, both hit really hard when Helena proc
While Helena/Jun always died for him, if Helena proc and then vanguard trades out, the extra dmg on my main from helena proc means he often wins the hiryuu duel

Ofc if Helena no proc is ez win basically

818 Hiryuu btw

[trail temple]

What about Aux equipment? Boiler + rudder or radar + rudder you think?

[elder crane]

Manjuu Helena ofc
Manjuu Pearl probably

If she's the centerpiece of the comp ya gotta get her radar off

Ye is no good on offense since 40% for team to be awful

And lots of frustration vs torp comps probably

[trail temple]

Usually I find myself getting 1 radar scan from opposing Helenas. They don't live long enough with manjuu to get the second

[elder crane]

Helena can die before 1st scan without Manjuu
Esp vs torpmemes
Is bigger risk than early Jun death really

[trail temple]

Hmmm

[candid sluice]

40% chance to do nothing

[light crystal]

Legend has it, Helena will always proc if one combines it with the Owarida.

[unreal storm]

what is the manjuu gear?

[delicate owl]

this one https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Eagle_Union_Elite_Damage_Control

[unreal storm]

so it's a weakened version of hiryuu's final counter?

[twin vortex]

Nice flexing

[trail temple]

Much weaker

[gritty cove]

Full Drake

[proper sorrel]

free win

[candid sluice]

Full rainbow oath

[light crystal]

But when u combine with Jesus, it makes her infinitely more useful than Hiryuu will ever be lol

[ripe latch]

top 10 anime fights

[upper cove]

I'm surprised that only took 30s

[ripe latch]

shinagaryu hell

[midnight heron]

not sure how its even possible but i just had a match where enemy eldridge was last ship standing while i still had hiryuu + nano, and she managed to evade every single bomb WITHOUT OP RAINBOW from 2-3 subsequent airstrikes until she got hit by 1 for 1k dmg

thx for letting defense cheat with bs rng now pls go fk off

[elder crane]

that's

normal though

literally any vanguard will do that

[midnight heron]

doubt

[elder crane]

it's why vanguard fight so important rn

dude

[midnight heron]

even ykkz cant straight up evade every bomb

[elder crane]

...

except

[midnight heron]

for 2-3 airstrikes

[elder crane]

that's exactly what she does

*subject to RNG ofc but is favorable

literally

one half HP vg

can solo both Hiryuu and Nano if it does any dmg at all

like maybe 30% of the time

so annoying

[midnight heron]

2-3 airstrikes is pushing limits

[elder crane]

cvs just such ass at defending themselves

I've seen more

if you want ykkz

I've seen her survive 4

[midnight heron]

ykkz is understandable cuz she has a further layer of rng protection

[elder crane]

Azuma I've seen two

no more since she kills before third strike

[midnight heron]

but eldridge? without op rainbow?

[elder crane]

naw as in literally takes no dmg

[midnight heron]

add slow spd onto that

so u also cant outrun bombs

thats just absolute dogshit rng if it happened

[elder crane]

naw bombs also bug out point-blank

on avg half of them don't even drop

[midnight heron]

yes i know

but i was looking closely

miss miss miss miss miss

[elder crane]

what team btw

[midnight heron]

standard nanoryuu team

[elder crane]

mics or nah?

[midnight heron]

no mics

[elder crane]

without mics you have like 40% ish hitrate pretty sure

and even w eld's movement phys hitrate is probably like 60%

[midnight heron]

40% missing this many times is just sus af

[elder crane]

literally isn't though

[midnight heron]

and my airstrikes have staggered timing

so even if she had rudder procs she cant rely on it

[elder crane]

I assume Nagato btw, right?

[midnight heron]

ya

[elder crane]

ah

you have like sub 35% hitrate assuming they have no eva skills

so RIP

[midnight heron]

its just an extreme outlier that somehow happened

[elder crane]

sub 30% if they run Shinano for +15% DD eva

[midnight heron]

but it just pisses me off

nah it wasnt any meta backline

thats how forgettable it was

thats why im surprised it even got to that state

[elder crane]

that's why you mics
but also
tf is your vanguard running

[midnight heron]

unoathed ships take too long to launch i aint risking avgas for mics

jun azuma helena

[elder crane]

there's your problem
tbf unoathed vs meta stuff that's not a bad choice

but if Helena doesn't proc and you get unfavorable RNG you get shit like this

if you want to afk PvP stuff I'd not rec Helena offense

[midnight heron]

shes there to lvl anyway so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[elder crane]

ah yes the good ole "I gimped my team why do I lose vs shit I shouldn't"

[midnight heron]

idk if actually sarcastic but i deal with meta fleets decently

i dont mind if i reset like i said

what i complain about are those that are unexpected losses

or are close matches that have no reason being that close in the first place

[elder crane]

PvP is not so loose you can play half a ship down without issue even vs nonmeta good teams
also it's possible you actually faced semimeta team, there's a surprisingly large amt of teams rn that do okay on def esp if you aren't running literal top meta

[midnight heron]

true but there are certain fleets that just straightup dont have such capabilities unless they get some outlier rng like what happened

[elder crane]

that's not really that outlier though

is what I'm telling ya

that literally is why vanguard fight is so important

[midnight heron]

then we just gotta agree to disagree cuz from all my pvp matches none have gotten this close with offmeta

[elder crane]

push any vanguard through and it's almost impossible to kill in timely manner if Nagato is dead

[midnight heron]

have faced countless eldridge comps

[royal oyster]

properly gearly non-meta is generally more dangerous than badly geared meta fleets. and most people don't know how to gear their fleets

[elder crane]

3 USN CV helena eld for example is one that's pretty legit on def
roll enough on helena proc+ lucky E+Eld+etc and opposite vanguard dies, then you win cause Nano and Hiryuu sux at dealing with vanguards
not actually much worse on def than standard vs top standard

also that too, idk if there's even 50 ppl who properly gear a meta/semimeta def team

[midnight heron]

doesnt that just support my argument that its an outlier

its even lower odds that it was properly geared

[elder crane]

is not outlier on the match

is outlier on who you face then

[royal oyster]

conditional probability. if your fight ends up being close, it's more likely they were better set up

[elder crane]

and you could probably have known

[midnight heron]

i consider them the same given the thousands of matches we've all done

its reasonable

[elder crane]

then literally any loss with any decent team is outlier period

cause 90% of def even at top ranks gensui rush are garbo

[midnight heron]

but i just said its a forgettable comp

if it was decent i would at least rmb the backline

[elder crane]

literally everything forgettable

cause not like ppl gear meta properly anyways

if you see a meta comp is like 80% at least that it's not geared properly

[midnight heron]

i make sure i dont look away if it was nanoryuu defense just saying

i had time to look away from this

[elder crane]

idk I strongly sus that the comp you faced is actually fairly legit on def, you just didn't notice

[hot creek]

#TeamMic

[elder crane]

most of the ppl running Eld that I've seen are running either standard team around her or one of the new jank USN comps

cause not like most ppl would bother to run her in first place

[midnight heron]

well i'll just keep a lookout for such fleets again then

[royal oyster]

eldridge can straight up negate your airstrikes so you shouldn't look away from those

[midnight heron]

and i know that, which is what made it more frustrating, given if it was a proper backline i wouldve been more cautious

[elder crane]

ye unless they literally have no dmg or something a 120 eld is by herself basically as swingy as torpmemes is

with just lower chance and doesn't work vs more comps

I'm just pretty sure their main is more legit than you realized

otherwise your VG wouldn't be dead

[midnight heron]

i can tell u for sure if i didnt notice it and wasnt prepared to reset and lost that match i wouldve raged my ass off

maybe they were, but if they were so op how are both nano and ryuu alive

[elder crane]

cause CV hit vanguard hard first...?

esp USN CV

cause low crash/more bombs

[midnight heron]

then idk bruh

that eldridge was just a 1k bomb away from dying

even had pearls tears who healed no one

[elder crane]

how many 1k bombs do you launch in first place

[midnight heron]

1k dmg i mean

[elder crane]

even worse then

cause that's like 3-4 bombs needed

[midnight heron]

bruh she took a hit from 1 bomb and it was 1k

[elder crane]

oh wait ye Eld has the usual DD shit AA

even then though, does it reach 1k dmg without stealth

[midnight heron]

no idea mightve been a crit but i was too busy raging to notice

[elder crane]

ye 1k seems about right for larger bombs I think

anyways the thing is
between bombs not even launching half the time at point blank
and phys hitrate being garbo
and your eva hitrate being extra garbo
every bomb only have like 10% to do dmg vs her lol

[midnight heron]

im more interested to know how it even got to that state

cuz if it was vs usn cv

[elder crane]

using 15 bomb/strike avg is like 20% to completely whiff a strike

[midnight heron]

all of naga shots would be on enemy vg

[flint sun]

I am on the fence on whether to use juneau (with hydraulic steering gear), helena (with eagle Elite Damage control/manjuu) and yuki or using sandy instead of helena in PVP. I am not lategame player or a tryhard, but I still want the best team for what I have

People tend to shit on Helena in PVP while the other half talk about how it is very viable but I'm not sure which does better with my current ships

[elder crane]

Helena is great on def or when your team isn't quite up to par with enemy one

Sandy is kinda like that but a bit better specifically vs CV teams, especially if you run CV team yourself

hard to say unless we know what else you're working with

[flint sun]

Warspite, Hiryuu, Enty, Juneau, ykk and helena

idk if I have better options

[elder crane]

both sound reasonable for that but I'd consider if you can slot something better in warspite's spot

I'd probably take Helena since is good more often for your team

since it's not just CV teams that you'll have trouble vs

[midnight heron]

she already works well enough on nanoryuu comps even with no procs (cuz she has decent aa) so i dont have a problem with it

[elder crane]

anyways problem with warspite right now is that any main fleet ship worth focusing down with her is stealthed

[flint sun]

So I am between juneau manjuu + sandy hydro or helena manjuu + juneau hydro

and I thought warkai was great for pvp

shes my only lv 115

my only PR is roon and dev 15 monarch

[elder crane]

she got slapped in the face with the new mechanic introduced last december

CV stealth

directly so since CV stealth = can't target

• indirectly so since CV meta now and the BB teams she still works well vs aren't so popular anymore

[flint sun]

so should I make a full cv team now? I have formi

[ripe latch]

sandy hydro or helena manjuu + juneau hydro
?

[elder crane]

also that, tf is hydro

rudder?

[flint sun]

the gold hydraulic thing that gives you evasion every 20 secs

[elder crane]

you use that mostly cause +40 evasion
"enhanced hydraulic steering" usually called rudder

cause hydraulic is confusing with hydraulic catapult for CV

[ripe latch]

only shinagaryuu have chances to win or def , other 3 cv only meme fleet . nakaga with sirius + juneau = ez win

[flint sun]

but it doesnt even have rudder in the name

[hot creek]

WS can be somewhat redeemable with Perseus and another HMS BB (Howe, QE, or DoY). You can snipe off Shinanos who lack evasion equipment or Amagi buff.

[elder crane]

wait

[flint sun]

what when did these ships come into the convo

[elder crane]

the blue one is called that

gold one is "Improved Hydraulic Rudder"

[flint sun]

no

Hydraulic steering gear

[midnight heron]

lel its localisation

[elder crane]

EN localization changes their mind like every 2 month I swear

[flint sun]

oh lmfao

[elder crane]

can never rely on gears keeping their name

anyways given your situation some RNG is unavoidable, and the potential boost Helena provides is too big to ignore

[flint sun]

Alright guess I'm moving back to helena with aux instead of sandy again

[ripe latch]

[flint sun]

What about warspite switch?

[elder crane]

for that team you'd probably want a third CV, or PoW?

[flint sun]

w0t's a PoW

me noob

[elder crane]

Prince of Wales, untested

[midnight heron]

prisoner of war

[elder crane]

third CV is more what you'd see used rn

but idk if it's the better option

[flint sun]

She's good in PVP??

also these are decent on YKK right?

[elder crane]

is decent, ye

though with 2CL 1 DD you don't need too many + speed aux

[flint sun]

Here I'll show the current PVP team for easier reference

[elder crane]

anyways PoW buffed skill is pretty interesting for a high USN count comp

for now though keep warkai cause much higher level

ship level matters more in PvP than in PvE, where it already matters a ton

[flint sun]

yeah, thanks for helping instead of being a damn elitist

[elder crane]

PvE is "+10 levels above map and I can run anything not complete garbage" vs "-10 levels below map and even the very best setups will have a hard time"

PvP on top of PvE effects also has increasing HP multiplier with ship level

[flint sun]

dang, I don't remember it having even more level stuff

SG radar and manjuu on helena is ok right

[elder crane]

well aside from the usual ship stats/+2% dmg dealt per level diff/-2% dmg taken per level diff/+0.1% hitrate/+0.1% evasion rate (roughly adding up to a bit under 5% more dmg dealt and 5% more survivability) you also get 1.2% more HP multiplier per ship level in PvP (multiplier of 90%+1.2%*ship level)

[flint sun]

jesus

[elder crane]

ye sounds fine

[flint sun]

I thought I had prince of wales, isn't she an elite

[elder crane]

Super Rare

[flint sun]

oof

so hiryuu enty and warkai is the best I can do, since I don't have PoW

Also a 102 formi

[elder crane]

well she's in a lot of the exchange tickets for special holidays so was thinking maybe you had her
nbd rn
she's pretty strong in PvE but I don't see her in PvP like at all
not sure if not really anyone testing her (she tbf was complete garbage everywhere a few months ago) or if she just doesn't work out too well

as I said for now care the most about ship level

[midnight heron]

ok so i managed to fight another eldridge vg (tho on sandy instead of lex), and even tho eldridge + naganami managed to break through my vg again, within my 1st airstrike, BOTH dd died (but eldridge had manjuu so shes doomed to die in 8s anyway)

its stuff like this that makes me question rng

[flint sun]

aside from the immortality. what makes hiryuu so viable in pvp?

[midnight heron]

shes ijn

gets buffed by both naga and nano

[flint sun]

oh, damn

I have neither of those creatures

:(

[sacred heath]

🇫

[flint sun]

I don't remember when I joined but it wasn't during those events

somewhere near the one with heinrich or before, I dunno

[midnight heron]

thats kinda recent tho and u already got ykkz

[flint sun]

nanoda

[ripe latch]

imagine using dd vs shinano + hiryuu

if yuki luck can solo tank this sht

[elder crane]

Ykkz actually doesn't do as well as she used to now

At least on offense

Low AA problems

[midnight heron]

ykkz only works on defense cuz rng ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ripe latch]

solo - yeap . but u can shinano + suzuki + yuki

press f for enemy

[flint sun]

it seems most of the PVP metas are all event limited

[ripe latch]

if problem to caught enemy - 818 help

[elder crane]

Suzu-Azuma would be better

[ripe latch]

azuma just meat for this comp

[elder crane]

You mean "azuma just blast this comp sometimes"

[ripe latch]

rng if azuma wont catch shinano bombs

[elder crane]

She catch them and is perfectly fine

Just absorb it all

Also she has like 40% evarate vs Nano

Almost 50% if no mic pretty sure

[ripe latch]

[elder crane]

Heck

If you set her up well

On offense

She can survive a full set of Helena boosted Nano bombs

[ripe latch]

manjuu helena

[elder crane]

And if you want to feel pain
Run low speed comp vs Azuma
Eat all her salvos and suffer

[flint sun]

idk how to get azuma ;_;

I gotta keep pulling sakura event rate ups or summat?

[ripe latch]

french comp with juneau , test for new meta?

[midnight heron]

might as well just torpmeme if u gonna preload snipe

[elder crane]

French is another interesting one ye as meta become more CV focused
But ye that's the issue mainly

Torps kinda just do it better

Still glad I've only seen two other ppl run proper HMS torpcomp
At this pt I'm pretty sure it's since most ppl don't have the equipment

HMS torpcomp on def makes a quite convincing statement

Hmm yes you didn't need these ships anyways right, imma just delete them now

[light crystal]

🤔

[zenith tundra]

how does perseus skill interacts with homing? just addition?

@elder crane

[light crystal]

I run proper 533mk9 Defense, other than one set being +12, the rest +13.

[zenith tundra]

would be worth using in perseus ws fdg

[elder crane]

Additive ye

[sacred heath]

beacon only affects her 40s airstrike, and only a tiny tiny bit

generally not worth it

[zenith tundra]

oh ok so trash

[elder crane]

She goes from 190% load time to 186%

[light crystal]

In WA, the usual top 100 EoS dosn't seem tor un it very much either. Probably mainly me.

[elder crane]

So

[light crystal]

And maybe 2 other guys?

[elder crane]

Same in Avrora, is me and like two other guys
One who isn't even oathed on all

Team still nukes though

Instant ded Nagato and like 10% HP Nano

[light crystal]

I dunno if ppl are trying to avoid being douchebags by not running them, or simply they don't have triple black dildos.

[sacred heath]

i only have 2 myself 😦

[zenith tundra]

if nagato dies you can skill win tbh. if shinano dies is a reset

[elder crane]

If you run standard ye 100%

Nano is literally like 40+% of the team dmg

[light crystal]

🤔

[elder crane]

Nagato ded just means you can't also lose vanguard fight at all

[light crystal]

More like 60% for me

[elder crane]

Otherwise

Haloist situation

Who would win

1. high HP Hiryuu/Nano
2. Half HP torpboat

[zenith tundra]

imo still standard defense is much harder then torp. like i reset 3 times vs forbs fleet and still couldn't beat it vs torp where 1-2 fast resets and you get good rng

[elder crane]

If you guessed 2
Yep, pretty often
CV shit at dealing with stuff in their face

[light crystal]

Well either way, whoever has their VG die first is gonna lose too

And torp meme can delete VG as well

[midnight heron]

nerf torpmemes

[elder crane]

I haven't needed more than 1 reset vs anyone outside of testing
And so far have seen nothing particularly low WR

[light crystal]

So it's not like, "lol, as long as Shinano lives I'm ok". Won't mean shit if ur VG dies and their Vg is on ur face

[elder crane]

For standard offense

Well

That's not what he said

He said if Nano lives you have a chance to win

If Nano ded you lose almost always since can't kill their vg

Heck you can't even break their stealth anymore

[light crystal]

Torp meme won't be nerfed, not at least directly. Either something better will be released as another alternative to meme with, or something will come along to counter torp meme better with.

Either way, I wanna see more torp meme being ran in WA

[zenith tundra]

all i said is if nagato dies you can win. if a cv dies u lose. about vg i just run noshiro sacrifice. if she dies whatever

[elder crane]

Hiryuu proc can be fine too

Or like

When I ran offense torpmemes

Hiryuu proc idk if even good thing

Cause then your vanguard is 100% wiped at 20 s strike

[zenith tundra]

even so torp are fast reset and lots of rng. when a standard comp just wrecks you every match you won't beat with standard ever

[elder crane]

Or maybe even before if shit RNG on Azuma/Nagato shot/barrage

Ye standard comp walls much better

[midnight heron]

idk man ive yet to see any torpmemes get rekt before 20s by naga+azuma even with barrage procs

[elder crane]

But w good enough comp you can almost afk vs it

[zenith tundra]

well it's gear difference for me

[elder crane]

Hiryuu proc, lands 818, then azuma lands shots

[midnight heron]

lel u pray

[elder crane]

Even worse if 10 s Naganami causes the proc

Then 818 lands into Azuma shots+barrage and Nagato shots+Barrage

[midnight heron]

if im ever that lucky to land a single 818

[elder crane]

Positioning

[zenith tundra]

do vg torp hit top ever or it's just rng. i very rarely see that

[elder crane]

Aside from usual RNG def lands 818 easier

Opening torps seems about same

10 Nagnami launch or later I think favor hitting bottom but hard to say

Btw that time I almost lost Nano on offense

Nano top

[light crystal]

Also, it's not ur guarantee to kill torp meme before 20s is up. They're reasonably survivable, and that only improves if they manage to take out major sources of DPs on first nuke attack.

[elder crane]

Yep

But is RNG after all

Hence my attempt at Leip to make 20s survival more likely

It kindaish worked but still not too consistent

[zenith tundra]

i don't think i reset to a torp comp that wasn't already decided within the 1st 15s

[midnight heron]

thats why its so bloody broken nerf it nao

[elder crane]

Well

Is surprising how much you win vs torps when it's already "decided"

Torps often look like have more advantage than they do, imo

[zenith tundra]

by decided i mean losing shinano or my vg getting deleted fast. if those things not happen is pretty consistent win

[elder crane]

VG half ded is one of those situations

Since you should never actually fully lose VG

Then it's just if they lose vg at 20 s strikes

[light crystal]

I wonder why is it that the top position CV always take less damage than bottom does.

My current thinking is that the torpedoes tend to hit towards the bottom of the screen or something

[zenith tundra]

parallel torp always tend to hit bottom of the screen over top in pvp

[light crystal]

Well, it seems to work out. I never put Shinano top for any tactical advantage or anything, but I think it works for the best

And everyone also seems to do it like that as well

[zenith tundra]

i use hiryuu top. just in case it comes down to hiryuu vs hiryuu i prefer making sure my hiryuu is the one taking less damage

[light crystal]

It usually never comes down to that for me, and Shinano does the most damage anyway

Might as well make sure she stays up the longest

[upper cove]

definitely not pvp specific

[hoary saddle]

any good uss comps out there?

[distant token]

PoW enty essex seattle helena juneau

im pretty sure

dont quote me on that though

[candid sluice]

Basically that

Could replace PoW for a carrier

[hoary saddle]

i see ty

[light crystal]

Y not

[trail temple]

Should quote him on that, and hold him accountable

[dull hollow]

Well this is awkward

I still have 2 battles to expend...

And i won't wake up in time for the other reset

Do i just accept 2 +9

Better than +0 for missing a battle maybe

[radiant brook]

Just +9

Because the other option is +0

[ripe latch]

[candid sluice]

Doing two is better than not doing two

[dull hollow]

Are these gonna be +8

[light crystal]

I don't think it was optimal set up

[elder crane]

Well
Torps are extremely RNG
But if not mag HMS then ye

14929 power looks around correct, but for full oath is like ~50 pt min too low
Probably not +13 on torps yet at minimum

[candid sluice]

[ripe latch]

that comp not trash - but they have black torp so if u haloisted - died

[elder crane]

14929 power looks around correct, but for full oath is like ~50 pt min too low
Probably not +13 on torps yet at minimum

this isn't even its final form

[safe meteor]

for pvp, whats better, Blackburn Firecrest or Barracuda?

[proper sorrel]

barracuda

[trail temple]

@elder crane Got a left field question for you, does the core SBD's (McCluskey) buff apply to crash damage as well? And does the buff apply to that plane only or all the planes that are on that ship?

[elder crane]

it should and only planes on that ship

[light crystal]

I don't think they were running optimal HMS not because I won, but because the spread on a set of torps was super wide

So probably something was swapped

[elder crane]

Ye a lot of ppl run 1 rainbow mag
Esp on Naganami

Which honestly did surprise me, that even without mag effect on 10 s launch, HMS quints are very clearly better on her

If they did tho that means the fleet power is really low

[sinful pewter]

The number of black dildos is probably the limiting factor on 3 HMS torp vs 2 HMS and homing

[light crystal]

Do they do so because they lack a third Dildo, or because they think it's tactically better to run one set of quints? 🤔

The problem with quint mags is the dmg per torp is considerably less.

[elder crane]

Who knows
Those who lacc are slacc
Otherwise they just bad
And no the issue isn't dmg per torp, you just don't have the sniping potential

Otherwise Naganami would've run quad 610s with blacktorp way back when but that just works much worse than quint mags

[light crystal]

I think issue is damage per torp, and total alpha damage. 172 base over 145. I wouldn't compare to quad 610's cuz they got less overall torps. Either way, they feel like they sorta tickle for the most part when they do hit lol

Have yet to see proper 3x magnetized 533mk9's in WA

[elder crane]

I'm telling ya

quint fan doesn't really hit harder than quad fan if same dmg per torp

just more likely to hit

HMS advantage is mostly about the tight spread, the extra total alpha is just a bonus

[light crystal]

I'd say the extra total alpha is the main thing, spread second :v

[elder crane]

go do the team with USN quints then smh
I guarantee you it'll be shit despite being almost same total alpha
or like
Lemme do the team with fricken HMS quads
it'll still kinda work, almost certainly better than with mags/610s

That and also
Why does the team work on offense better than 610/mags when I gimped torp dmg by running Leip instead
Less total torp dmg but still killed shit better

[elder crane]

exactly as I expected

With HMS quads:

Match #3 did both

Match #5

With 610/rainbow mags:
In 10 matches did not snipe main once

Closest two:
Double crit on first
Crit + 2 torps and a miss on second
No main below half HP in other 8

@light crystal
I'm telling ya spread is much more important than total alpha

Quad HMS > quad 610s as shown here despite almost 20% less alpha and less range

[stable dawn]

Is it worth running a fighter on shinano or is double torp bomber still GG?

[light crystal]

But, not quint 610s

I've never advocated against 533mk9's in favor of quad 610mms lol

[candid sluice]

I prefer running fighter if opp has multiple carriers of their own, otherwise cuda wyvern

[light crystal]

I honestly can't tell. I've ran both Fighter and double TB, and I've settled with Cuda/Wyvern on Shinano for now lol

[stable dawn]

we're all cuda wyvern club lmaooo

[elder crane]

I don't see the diff 🤷
quad HMS to quad 610s is what quint HMS is to quint 610s, arguably
and quad HMS much better
clearly pattern matters much more in HMS torps being much better, otherwise quad HMS wouldn't be clearly better

[light crystal]

The difference is in that 533mk9's not only have the sniping spread, but also the superior alpha, so no use in comparing against quad 610's. But with Shima torps, there would at least be a difference. Would have to wait n see.

[elder crane]

this isn't quint vs quad

this quad vs quad

quad HMS torps, the purple ones

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/533mm_Quadruple_Torpedo_Mount_Mk_IX

these do better than quad 610s

[light crystal]

Oh the purple ones

[elder crane]

despite 4x172 vs 208 alpha and 20 less torp stat

and it's disgusting that even these can still snipe enemy main at only +10

it does do noticeably worse vs vanguard though

[distant token]

wait bluerendar when are u doing your exercises

[elder crane]

don't really have a fixed schedule
just when I check and see a bonus/feel like doing some (or usually at least once a season, forget )

[distant token]

are u done moving now

[elder crane]

no gimme another hour or maybe two or maybe three
still 7/10

or maybe never and I miss 2

[distant token]

wait actually

what is your score rn

[elder crane]

was actually 80 with 11

[distant token]

? what's your seasonal score rn

[light crystal]

Collusion

[distant token]

what are u talking about?

i was just wondering about my good friend Bluerendar

and how his pvp season is going

[candid sluice]

[light crystal]

[ripe latch]

now run away, he found you

[trail temple]

Take it to the collusion server you two

[unreal storm]

what's the collusion server

[crude mortar]

which collusion server?

[ripe latch]

amagi

[unreal storm]

oh there's more than one

[trail temple]

All of the collusion servers, particularly the one where Saber is especially active in

[crude mortar]

oh so you not in famine's collusion server?

[trail temple]

I didn't get the exclusive invite to his server

[crude mortar]

its not easy for pleb to get in anyway

[trail temple]

@famine let me simp for you

[crude mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/hololive-nakiri-ayame-oni-wiggle-dance-gif-17169473

there is no famine's collusion server

just your imagination

[ripe latch]

i see

[crude mortar]

what did you see

nothing right?

[ripe latch]

[trail temple]

First rule of famine's collusion server, we do not speak of it

[toxic knot]

Interesting.

NoobAsian, I've literally never asked anyone for points before and you know it
I visit youtuber's discord server like twice a week to check what cool AL things players are up

[crude mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/nakiri-ayame-hololive-ojou-ayame-ojou-yo-dayo-gif-19961161

[toxic knot]

Meanwhile I've played alone without a guild and all I see is Kanzaki Erika posting memes about me for some odd reason

[crude mortar]

it just a joke dont be serious!

https://media1.tenor.co/images/2739d25a7f21fab2f07ef7596997624a/tenor.gif?itemid=20555643&fbclid=IwAR3UmEauE6MtfBH9pXSxKqRsK6bLFrq48fg9Kb-tx2UySr0C23XvWJUHx3s

[upper cove]

memes r good

[crude mortar]

[unreal storm]

[candid sluice]

Collusion? In AL? Surely not

[alpine summit]

slept thru a set

guess its time to feed others

[light crystal]

[radiant brook]

Inb4 PvP becomes an irl economy (you can buy AoTN at a high price)

And the meta will progress to a point where hardware is the sole determining factor in wins (like SSB melee poll rate)

[candid sluice]

[ripe latch]

[stable dawn]

bitcoin meta when

[sour oasis]

PvP always mined buttcoin

[distant token]

i know a certain someone that does pvp and mines a lot of bitcoin

[light crystal]

[unreal storm]

[light crystal]

Debating +'ing these for optimal memery as well.

[unreal storm]

[elder crane]

Dewitt

[candid sluice]

[sour oasis]

Is it... ||the entire nation of China||

[light crystal]

I plan to +13 Beaver

Cuz in the future, if I plan to run triple CV, I need to put Beaver on VG, as besides the 20% moving speed buff, the closer in stats it is to a Rudder, the better, as it's gonna replace someone's Rudder

[light crystal]

Plused Beaver. Also, VG power looking nice

[ripe latch]

[candid sluice]

@elder crane u have second wyvern ye?

[elder crane]

Still 8/9 no luck on ports

[candid sluice]

Soon ™️

[unreal storm]

lol farm cats

[light crystal]

Nice, 3x Core, time to get some Wyvern precursor from Core Shop

[candid sluice]

[sacred heath]

I'll take that +2 tyvm

[radiant brook]

3x core, time to get more shells

[elder crane]

but why would you need shells in #pvp

[north vine]

to assert dominance

[light crystal]

Clearly, double shell Nagato. Next level strats.

[candid sluice]

Shells me and my homies buy rice cooker

[unreal storm]

what would you put instead of shells? double hit or double evasion gear?

[elder crane]

I wouldn't run BB
but yes, more leaning towards hit these days cause CV meta and all

[radiant brook]

Wnt has more hit than +13 white shell

[candid sluice]

Hpfcr is fixed

I have four sets of shells but only using three of em cba to buy any more

[candid sluice]

[radiant brook]

Isn't sandy still wanted in a CV heavy environment?

Or seattle

But definitely not helena

[candid sluice]

🦭

[elder crane]

It turns out that Azuma/Nagato still hits pretty hard
Helena is used to prop up weaker attack team and is a legit defense option

[sour oasis]

I would say Sandy is still annoying on defense too, but as Helena's sidekick. She helps by stalling stealth a bit longer. (Which is less of a buff than H-radar, but still a buff.)

[elder crane]

naw, vs a Sandy/Helena def, worst case both vanguards die, which is usually not unfavorable to offense

I find Jun-Helena-(tanky/troll ship) much more annoying

[radiant brook]

Meme fleets really don't exist in avrora t50

Except syanda with his kms fleet

[candid sluice]

U calling kms a meme?

[distant token]

yes

[radiant brook]

Yes compare to the meta fleets

Fdg could go down with just black torp comps

Let a salvo slip to the back and watch her eat 8k crit per torp

[candid sluice]

But what abt eugen

@distant token got carried to aotn with eugen

[radiant brook]

Wtf

[crude mortar]

you insult syndra defend fleet

time to gulag bois

[delicate owl]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/821399131901394962.gif?v=1

[radiant brook]

[elder crane]

I mean Eugen isn't completely useless in PvP
at least does doesn't instantly die, probably
more than most ships can do

same with opsi too honestly

[distant token]

@distant token got carried to aotn with eugen
EOS FTFY

[crude mortar]

i lost 9 charge eos

my bed stalling me

waking up at 59

[crude mortar]

ALMOST CHOKING

GAME FREEZE

IM GLAD I FOUND THIS GUY AT 59:45

FINIS HTE FIGHT AT 59:58

https://tenor.com/view/sweat-sweating-nervous-wet-sad-gif-5796001

MY GAME FREEZE AND I NEED TO RESTART FIGHT AT 58

[dull hollow]

come to jp land of the free

i hit rank 1 with 3 battles remaining

have to +9 3x a day by default

[crude mortar]

did you rush to 0

0/10?

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/747967931702575261/827937907750600704/nanoshock2.gif

[candid sluice]

[trail temple]

inb4 he's going down to 0 each reset

[crude mortar]

found my agent

[dull hollow]

Coz i sleep and i dont wake up in time

For double refreshs

So i have to empty to 0/10

Everytime

Im not gonna ruin my sleep for ranking

But i dont even have to

Jp is so dead

[crude mortar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3msKLJu5x1I

SEIBAAA

[light crystal]

[silver bobcat]

is there a tierlist for pvp

[candid sluice]

There is one under the exercises tab of EN community tierlist but it’s incomplete

[trail temple]

Mutsuki > everything

[radiant brook]

[light crystal]

Juneau VG, or HMS Torp meme. For Backline, stack some Wyverns on some 120 CV's = Win.

[crude mortar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/747967931702575261/827937907750600704/nanoshock2.gif

[unreal storm]

nvm it's in the pins

[north vine]

sandy 138.6mm or twin 130mm

or is it depeding on match up again

[candid sluice]

AP supremacy

[trail temple]

SHS supremacy

Actually no, since it's meant to be cv meta, confetti supremacy

[candid sluice]

Celebrate giving ur opp a win

[trail temple]

My WASDE meta has never lost me a match

[candid sluice]

In sub1000 ranks

[covert swallow]

I have a quick question, cuda or swordfish

[upper cove]

wyvern cuda
818 only if you're setting up for ryuuseis or something

[candid sluice]

The general pick is cuda ye unless ur gonna utilize the slow somehow

[iron stratus]

Hello lads & gntlmn, good evening.

Any1 can send me a pvp tier link?

Thanks

[unreal storm]

what

https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/pvpguide

[iron stratus]

I would love to ask my pvp fleet rn but im kinda scared of the negative comments

[north vine]

nah its fine

[iron stratus]

First of all

I have like 2 /3 months on this game so dont be rude please

[north vine]

as long as it has juneau

it will work

[iron stratus]

Im using rn..

Enter-Bielorusiya-Wasprite
Yuki Sandy Tallin

hows that.. bad?

[sacred heath]

i mean with only 3 months in the game it's fine

[north vine]

i have seen worser

and its fine for 3 months

[sacred heath]

no one expects new players to have full meta fleets

[iron stratus]

I dont want to spam with SS for showing my dock so i could ask better chances..

[north vine]

kevo

[ripe latch]

fixed

[iron stratus]

But if u guys say its okai

[north vine]

138.6mm or 130mm

sandy

[iron stratus]

it will be okai then

[sacred heath]

@north vine uhhhhhh 130 imo

[north vine]

aight

[iron stratus]

Then, that was my worry for now, thanks you for ur time

Have a good evening

[sullen sierra]

bit new to pvp, but curious what you all thought was the current best fleet setup atm?

[ripe latch]

just post pic what ship you have and we help

[sullen sierra]

i have most meta ships, so just wanted to know the answer to that

[sacred heath]

the "meta" backline is still nagato shinano hiryuukai

vanguard can vary a bit, but it nearly always includes juneau.

people are experimenting with different setups on attack these days

[sullen sierra]

which 2 would you choose out of Azuma, Noshiro, and Yukikaze?

[ripe latch]

suzutsuki noshi/yuki juneau

azuma just variable

[sacred heath]

personally i use juneau yuki noshi, but sometimes swap azuma for noshi

i don't have enough black magtorps to do a full HMS torpmeme

[sullen sierra]

is it better to use Azuma if you dont really have black magtorps?

[sour oasis]

On offense? She's a big ship that's really useful bullying smaller ones. Just be careful if you face a torpedo-heavy defense.

(Banner of the Stars avatar?)

[sullen sierra]

yeah lol

and alright, good to know, tho im unsure of the actual vanguard formation, is it Juneau as the tank? then something like Yuki in the middle with Noshiro as offtank? just flat confused on that part

[sour oasis]

Defense fleets are sometimes wacky and need similar out-of-the-norm thinking.

[sacred heath]

generally juneau is main tank if she has manjuu

[sour oasis]

Juneau, especially with the Elite Repair Manjuu, is best at front as tank. The other positions are 50:50.

Because after 25~30s you expect Juneau to be dead anyway, taking the brunt of the first wave of torpedoes, barrage, and airstrike (and doing so protecting/healing everyone else)

[sullen sierra]

gotcha, that makes sense

thanks for the tips guys, that should be enough to get me started i imagine

[light crystal]

Nagato getting archived now

[ripe latch]

this game still shit

[timid current]

idk man looks like you won on a huge margin

[timid current]

99% of players will now be using exclusively meta fleets lol

[ripe latch]

but I shouldn't have won

[light crystal]

Unless they lack Shinano lol

[timid current]

enty still pretty meta

[light crystal]

I supposed they can run Nagato/SKK/Hiryuu 🤔

Or Enty too I guess

[timid current]

i still use enty over my oathed 120 shinano

[light crystal]

[ripe latch]

see ya

[unreal storm]

who is skk? i forgot

[timid current]

shoukaku

or shikikan lol

[waxen reef]

Hey, the old PvP tier list is out of date and it looks like Azur Lane's Community Tier List website added a PvP guide w/ PvP ship tier lists:
https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/pvpguide

Just in case someone wants to update the pins on this channel

This is what I've been trying to find for a while

[ripe latch]

Updated: October 2020

[unreal storm]

that's for each page

the tier list sections have more recent dates

[light crystal]

Anything pre-Stealth/OpSi is out of date, as CV's and AA ships became dominant afterwards, on top of 533mk9 Torps + Black Dildo Aux.

[waxen reef]

This guide is post-stealth/OpSi

[light crystal]

[candid sluice]

Letsgooo isss archive

I can finally pull nagato

[stable dawn]

[candid sluice]

Not like she’s gonna be relevant for long

[radiant brook]

Amagi server is going to be cancer land

The only way it will get worse is aurora rerun

[candid sluice]

Amagi is far from cancer

[blazing crescent]

Interesting site *bookmarked *

[candid sluice]

It’s not fully completed yet tho we’re working on it

[sour oasis]

Parts were updated two months ago. Like everything, it's always a work in progress.

[sour oasis]

In that line of thinking, all servers would go that route. Barring game shutting down.

[radiant brook]

Lexington didn't

[candid sluice]

Relaxington

[covert swallow]

which one for suzutsuki

[uncut agate]

right

[candid sluice]

AP supremacy

[covert swallow]

I was thinking left gun, because there's times when my suzu is shooting a shinano and doing no dmg with right gun

[candid sluice]

Use ap smh

[covert swallow]

what ap

[unreal storm]

armor piercing

[covert swallow]

I meant what ap gun is he talking about

[candid sluice]

AP or just unequip your mg

The only good AP dd gun

[covert swallow]

the "new" gear lab one?

[candid sluice]

Ironblood tech tree

[crude mortar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/747967931702575261/827937907750600704/nanoshock2.gif

[candid sluice]

Time to head out

🚪👈

[trail temple]

Was on lunch break and wasn't going to make reset

[crude mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/757943781373902878.gif?v=1

[sullen sierra]

assuming you dont have wyverns, how would you build shinano for pvp?

[ripe latch]

hiryu 818/ryus and shinano ryus
and intern godbless

[sullen sierra]

intern?

[candid sluice]

I would just go barracuda

Fighter/second cuda first slot depending on the rest of your fleet

So like fighter/cuda - experimental - cuda with avgas beacon

[ripe latch]

|| 🚮 ||

[sullen sierra]

sorry, not super familiar with certain terminology, avgas?

[delicate owl]

this one https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/100/150_Aviation_Gasoline

[sullen sierra]

ah, ok, thank you

is there a specific fighter you would use? also was curious why no double experimental? to slow?

[candid sluice]

Use a tigercat or sea hornet

And ye double db is slow and there are better planes u could use in that slot

[elder crane]

If Suzu is shooting Shinano you should be 100% to win anyways

[elder crane]

You also want fighter for stealth reasons

[sullen sierra]

what do fighters do that help with stealth?

[delicate owl]

they shot down the enemy's planes

[sullen sierra]

oh, so by shooting them down they stay hidden longer, makes sense, ty

[candid sluice]

Yee u want your carriers to stay hidden while revealing enemy carriers

The hidden dmg boost is big

[worldly cape]

I still don't know why nobody reported or fixed the bug with Hiryuu's school skin

[radiant brook]

What bug?

[sour oasis]

Give them time

[elder crane]

@delicate owl
It's much less them shooting down anything but your fighters decrease enemy stealth when they intercept and crash

[sullen sierra]

ah, ty, didnt know that worked like that

[sour oasis]

But being shot down helps too (by protecting your stealth)

[sour oasis]

As an alternative tactic you can have Shinano focus on only surface damage, but partner her with a backline that throws extra interception (Perseus, Essex, etc) to remove enemy air support while keeping your own backline hidden(-ish; Perseus double take-off sheds a lot of stealth)

[sullen sierra]

yeah, im using Perseus as a stopgap until i level up Hiryuu, figured that was an okayish strat in the meantime lol, guess ill have Shinano focus on surface damage til then

[dull hollow]

dear
fucking
god
have you
gone against
an oaklahoma
in pvp
and u won the frontline battle

[ripe latch]

this better

[worldly cape]

Idk if it works when she's on your team, but when Hiryuu with the school skin is mirrored (AKA enemy team), she doesn't have the status color blinks

So you can't tell if her immortality is still up or not

[crude mortar]

i got that

yesterday

i almost losing 1 tix from that shit

@empty grove

[empty grove]

Open the game on 2 devices

[crude mortar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/747967931702575261/827937907750600704/nanoshock2.gif

[ripe latch]

[spark locust]

must be like 7th time or so I win the exercise battle and get counted as a loss cus' my last ship is destroyed a millisecond after I won

patch this shit for fucks sake

[distant token]

F

[clear briar]

Yikes

Big F

[spark locust]

I'd rather lose cus' I get distracted and suck pp than getting robbed from victory like that

darn

[distant token]

[royal oyster]

historically accurate final counter

[ripe latch]

now everyone can make meta fleet

[ember jungle]

how does one junea build

my 1 year ago meta comp with hood replaced by hiryuu

[elder crane]

I mean, fighters certainly help but idk how much you should expect from them

[crude mortar]

did someone losing to oklahoma

[sour oasis]

No more packets to send (connection interrupted when it tried to transmit battle data)

[candid sluice]

[dull hollow]

Even with mait coming in 20 min

[candid sluice]

JP

[radiant brook]

Man I wish we are half as lax as JP

[sour oasis]

Too many individuals flexing.

[covert swallow]

2 score away from me getting +12 from him

[candid sluice]

[trail temple]

[north vine]

[trail temple]

Since I am bored, thoughts on Shoukaku vs Centaur. Uses/Pros/cons/etc.

[candid sluice]

Shoukaku = ijn 4x tb

[north vine]

Shoukaku is hotter as well

[candid sluice]

Centau = 2 fighters haha airstrikes go brr

[trail temple]

Centaur has a 4x tb slot too, just less efficiency

Idk, Shoukaku is hot, but I have an elf fetish

[candid sluice]

U would use skk over cent to proc shinano skill too

[leaden sky]

Id say centaur is hotter , shoukaku is cuter

[candid sluice]

Centaur is lewd

[leaden sky]

Ya skk better paired with ijn ships, while centa apart from her loadout + slow

[timid current]

but doesnt centaur like roleplay as an infant or something

lol

"elder"

[leaden sky]

Infant doesnt go around and call people elder lol

[timid current]

true

[candid sluice]

She calls mutsuki elder

[timid current]

^

actually 10 minutes old

[leaden sky]

Loli baba

[trail temple]

Mutsuki is like those loli-looking grannies

[leaden sky]

[timid current]

sounds like a loli too tho

[trail temple]

All part of the deception

[candid sluice]

300 yr old dragon in the body of a 4 yr old

[ripe latch]

[trail temple]

Kinky

[radiant brook]

Rip Amagi, the days of lax pvp is gone

[delicate owl]

amagi server was like three months old when the isss rerun happened so many of us already got nagato during that time

[radiant brook]

Oh ok

[ripe latch]

[trail temple]

They're just missing Noshiro iirc

[ripe latch]

azuma perma available

[distant token]

but she already is

[radiant brook]

30 pulls and no nagato, guess I'm destined to be unable to use cancer

And one gold in 30 pulls, it's eugen

[ripe latch]

rate up is a lie

but we on #pvp