If u fail to do them at all then ur gonna be more screwed. Rather than hold 10/10 or some shit till last 20 mins or something, make sure ur at 5/10 an hour or two instead
#pvp
light crystal
radiant brook
That's why I said rushing down to 0/10 whenever possible
With the nature of my work I don't know when I have free time to do pvp
candid sluice
Hard to get bonuses at 0/10
radiant brook
So no life sandbag is the only way
candid sluice
Nob
light crystal
Then make sure to be 5/10 if u know u cant do 10/10 in the last hour if u need to hold
candid sluice
Just go to 5/10
radiant brook
Sometimes the last hour can be really busy, like today
candid sluice
I don’t rly know where you’re getting nolife from
radiant brook
And 2 refreshes occur when I work
somber axle
What timezone?
radiant brook
GMT+8
royal oyster
if you push to 0/10, all you lose is the ability to get bonuses for the average of one set
it's not that bad if all you want is aotn
uncut agate
Do your exercises when you got time, it's that simple. I don't like going down to 0/10 because then I get less base score
royal oyster
far better than dropping fights
somber axle
So EU time
candid sluice
As long as you don’t miss exers u can get aotn easily
radiant brook
So am I screwed? Especially in a hypercompetitive server like 
Where one loss is enough to stop you from aotn
mint hornet
empty grove
candid sluice
uncut agate
somber axle
So you're saying you can't log in once for 15 minutes every 6 or 12 hours to do your fights.
tender bay
I was getting aotn with like 10+ loss matches
mint hornet
7-10 losses is the margin for avrora depending on how hard you sandbag
week 1 losses can be made up fairly quickly*
light crystal
Thats wut I do when I work, I go down to 5/10 if I know I cant do it before next refresh 
Same for sleep
Or when I know I'll be doing something else busy
radiant brook
More like I just rush to 0 whenever possible because of my work
@mint hornet what if you just rush to 0 and don't sandbag?
mint hornet
you become food for the people who do sandbag
radiant brook
@tender bay I guess it's a easy server like amagi
tender bay
<@310455050470293504> I guess it's a easy server like amagi
I am playing on avrora
radiant brook
So you hardcore no life sandbag?
somber axle
EU is good timezone tho, if you work normal hours. I'm not seeing it.
tender bay
I hardcore sandbagging thats why i sometimes fall asleep and losing like 5 attempts
somber axle
Because your resets are early morning or night
tender bay
But still getting aotn
radiant brook
Extra bad luck points for living in a zone where refreshes are at work, or in the middle of sleep
somber axle
Do your pvp during lunch, somehow I doubt you'll be working 6+ hours in a row to miss a reset.
radiant brook
That's exactly what happened today
7h straight, no rest, no lunch breaks
Not even a toilet break because the shop is crowded af today
somber axle
Take 15 minute break, if you're really working 7 hours straight, it should be understandable.
uncut agate
just do your exercises when you get time, don't worry about sandbagging, don't lose; don't miss any exercise. ez clap aotn 
tender bay
If u get good bonus points at the beginning of season then u can easily get aotn. Just dont lose attempts
radiant brook
@uncut agate what about doing that, but with 5 losses under your belt?
candid sluice
“Don’t lose”
radiant brook
So impossible
uncut agate
I was saying that for next season. It's probably a little hard this season if you don't have much bonus points and/or you get stuck when rushing
somber axle
Impossible at this point for you since you can't even sandbag 5/10.
It's only 2500 merit, not a big deal if you can't commit to pvp. 🤷
radiant brook
I thought it's 2500 merit
somber axle
Yes 2500
candid sluice
It’s a nice bonus but if you’re losing sleep over it it’s not worth it
“No life oath hardcore sandbag” is for ppl who want to flex end of season rankings
tender bay
I want
candid sluice
Me too
radiant brook
But 2500 is a lot, its basically 30 exercises
mint hornet
🎙️
candid sluice
Gas superiority ⛽️
mint hornet
yea, I do gas+mic
candid sluice
Real question is which mic is the best 
mint hornet
I use the 2 that aren't the roon one
trail temple
Mic users, mic haters. Get ready, fight!
candid sluice
I’m mic neutral 🍿
trail temple
Be the key faction
timber helm
what about ankimo vs beaver tag faction 
sour oasis
Be the key faction
There's also crystals (technically translated as 'pearl'). Because crystals! ||I am not a yuppie hippie||
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/w/images/2/2f/89240.png
sour oasis
🏃♀️ 💨
I keep telling them to rush to 0 (and not lose; heck he can actually lose 5 if he can play at 1900 GMT next Saturday and get 5 quick victories just as the tickets refresh). Just. Don't. Lose.
Make a navy (navy not fleet) that can deal with the variety of defense fleets (or a torpedo-centric vanguard and restart until you wipe out a ship or two in the first 10s).
Am I speaking a moon language?
Stop focusing on the mountain peak being too far away and focus on the steps you need to take to get there.
sour oasis
They keep focusing on the rush and not the preparation. (Granted, there are way too many flex fleets, but they're just not dealing with it in a constructive manner.)
Always someone who wants to show off
sacred heath
sub-20 drake, not impressed 🥱
spark nest
No dev30 DRs is a poor man’s flex if anything
Imagine getting your DRs to 120 without experiencing how it feels to level them at d30
light crystal
I only use a girl maxed. I waited to get 1056 DR2 BP's, 513 for each of the two, before I actually took them out. They sat at lv 100, SL10's, 90 Affection for months due to that lol
timber helm
lol found numbrr 10 from 3000
radiant brook
@sour oasis just don't lose? I thought avrora is like "lose once and goodbye AoTN"
sour oasis
<@318463870467440650> just don't lose? I thought avrora is like "lose once and g...
No server is that insane. ||Yet||
Every loss after 4 losses, you have to try real hard on timing (no more mindlessly rushing to 0/10).
radiant brook
So sandbag is the only way?
sour oasis
So sandbag is the only way?
Did you not read the 1st part?
radiant brook
I did but I'm still pretty skeptical because avrora is very competitive
That advice would work on a server like amagi but not here
sour oasis
I've got a side look at Amagi. Just winning 10/15 fights a day hovers at rank 2400 by end of season.
On Avrora, that kind of play slotted you at 4~6k last year.
Sandbag should never be an option unless you're messing with higher level players. There is no reason to go to that level when you are content with casually getting merit.
"If everyone sandbags, no one sandbags."
radiant brook
So I shouldn't worry about not sandbagging or rushing
sour oasis
You should focus on rushing, especially if you can only play twice a day. Which means you need a good navy so you can make multiple fleets.
sour oasis
If you win every fight, even if it's not always leftmost, you're still getting about one fight a day that gives you a bonus (under the average of 3 fights a day). That's enough to put you over 2200 around day 12 refresh 3 (Saturday 9am your local time).
Only at that point you would worry about optimizing when to play. You want to calculate that if you go down to 0/10 just before 9:00, then play 5 tickets for +45 or +48, if that sticks you in top 10... Assuming you move before the rank list changes too much.
If not wait until 3pm to see if you can do it, 3am, etc. (I'm betting you might have better luck at Saturday 3pm or Sunday 9am your local time)
I can see by your lifestyle, your timezone, and most importantly your lack of a PvP-focused navy, that you have a narrower margin for error. But you can still survive a few (3?) losses (especially early in the season) because of the bonus mechanic (that one fight that gives you a bonus is more likely to give you an extra point or two for a few days) .
radiant brook
So the 5 losses is not big of a deal compared to losing those 5 later in the season?
sour oasis
Yes, because of the days left for you to get make-up bonuses.
But it still hurts.
Relative to you, my lifestyle gives me 2 regular opportunities to fight someone who can give me a bonus (2.5 on weekends), thus I can build a better buffer (4~5 losses) without having to change my lifestyle (checking the game more often).
At more losses, I would have to play the game at times that are inconvenient for me (like during the weekend, or in the middle of the night) so I could do the 0/10 right before a refresh of 5 tickets and hope to rush into the top 10 before anyone else does.
Regardless, see if your ranking improves this season over last.
Try the relaxed method and see if it matches with your life schedule while keeping you the same rank.
If it does, then all you need is to improve your navy.
candid sluice
Second torp wave at 10 secs and boosts torps of DDs and cls
radiant brook
Dosen't affect ibuki?
candid sluice
No sadly
radiant brook
sour oasis
Second torp wave at 10 secs and boosts torps of DDs and cls
Most DDs die before their torpedoes reload; Naganami's bonus wave gets to fire before then.
Ibuki gets something similar with her 2-at-the-start wave.
elder crane
Even if she would make it to 20 s, the skill is effectively +50% dmg and less RNG
Tbf with black oxys it's less, but her own torp dmg is very competitive anyways and her buff has slight multiplicative stacking with Jintsuu/Noshiro
Since crit rate and crit dmg boosts also boost the effect of each other
light crystal
She's not a skunk btw
sour oasis
There are black squirrels, but I don't recognize one with a white stripe. (And she's small for a badger.) Her name breaks down into "long" and "tide".
light crystal
I always thought of her as a Squirrel or a Tanuki of sorts 🤔
Anyway, I was thinking, has anyone tried an all-DD VG? YKKZ/Eld/Suzu. I reckon it can be hella tankey
His Suzu died at 3:50. Lineup was YKKZ/Aya/Suzu. If it were Eld, I reckon it can be super godlike tankey given enough RNG lol
sour oasis
Not in awhile. I used to run Charles Eldridge and Javelin Ayanami on offense and defense back when the game started. But they were also supported by Illustrious and Ranger
Charles is definitely still cancerous, but she's more squishy than Eld and her RNG.
light crystal
Charles?
candid sluice
I’m using suzu and yuki but with juneau
light crystal
I guess that can also work
candid sluice
Yea they live for quite a bit but sometimes airstrikes can just delete them
I’m also probably using suboptimal gear on them
Toolbox tears on suzu boiler beaver on yuki
sour oasis
Charles Ausburne. She has a high natural evasion and a speed-boost skill. This was back in 2018, way before Yukikaze (or even starter retrofits).
A very solid boat and one of the Beavers I trained super hard with. Her and Maury are almost Yuudaichi-like. But like Eld, still has the HP of a DD.
light crystal
🤔
next oxide
Whats the best way to counter nagato-hiryuu retro-amagi?
uncut agate
Nagato/Hiryuu/Shinano 
radiant brook
I read in #gameplay-help that hiryuu retro skill procs enemy wyvern, can anyone explain how that works?
candid sluice
Well the skill throws out planes so it procs fighters and wyverns to intercept them
radiant brook
What if it's a scenario like enty mirror? No planes will be thrown out until 
?
candid sluice
Enty mirrors still launches fighters
trail temple
mics in pvp was meant to be a secret, but Blue let it out, only punishable by banning
light crystal
Mike users
abstract cypress
anti-mic users assemble
im always against not-increasing-avi eq on CV
since old rudder E meta
thin cosmos
DD vg quite tanky but they can't do enough damage to kill opponent vg.
radiant brook
Does enemy wyvern that's thrown out on their own deploy their own torps? Or just crash dmg?
delicate owl
just for interception and crash damage
ebon kraken
candid sluice
👉🚪
trail temple
This Mike persecution
light crystal
Defense only, working on Noshiro
elder crane
What if it's a scenario like enty mirror? No planes will be thrown out until <:O...
If no barrages and weird airstrike timings, then yes fighters intercept only vs enemy strikes for the most part
Though you can get weird situations especially post-vanguard-death w multiple fighters of diff load times where one set of fighters causes another opposing set to launch causes another opposing set to launch etc and cycles back to the first set of fighters loading in
radiant brook
candid sluice
I’ve seen it before I’ve won many enty vs enty with fighter crash dmg
thin cosmos
winning enty with CVs is basically winning vg fight then no RNG
radiant brook
I found more success with this, why 
sour oasis
I found more success with this, why <a:ExcuseMeWtf:742728528520413298>
You finally kicked Swiftsure off. 
light crystal
what this filthy casual defense fleet
R u Washingtonian?
crude mortar
im avrorarian
light crystal
candid sluice
sour oasis
sacred heath
elder crane
HE'S USING RYUUSEIS LOL
radiant brook
keen obsidian
Just got today. I have a legit pvp team now?
candid sluice
Perhap 
who else u have
sour oasis
🚫 👩👧👧
candid sluice
What is that even supposed to mean
sour oasis
One loaf is not three. A single ship does not a vanguard make.
thin cosmos
this month is wyvern month for me and port shop want to give 3 blueprint at the last day(after4 refresh)
Again my happy dream about getting 3 blueprint till the 2nd shop totally betrayed with 0 print
what I can do is just buying all trashes to increase chance of blueprint at next refresh...
thin cosmos
so you got just 1print with more than 2month farming?... disaster
sacred heath
ebon kraken
shy hazel
midnight heron
is it better to enhance wyvern past +10 or use the plates on other planes
cuz the plate cost is just stupid high to even +11
midnight heron
answer the question
light crystal
midnight heron
thin cosmos
as I think after 2 db
leaden sky
As much as I want to max wyvern, i still maxed a db first
flint python
I'm fine with +10 wyvern since I just use it for the crash dmg
candid sluice
Just the sheer price of upgrading wyvern is so ye upgrade other planes first
trail temple
Beg and plead to the RNG gods to give you more aircraft prints
candid sluice
I’m just waiting for port shops to cycle through
fast ember
will parmiat become the new ultra annoying ship in pvp?
gritty cove
The slow isn't big enough
elder crane
cuz the plate cost is just stupid high to even +11
It also doesn't increase the crash dmg at all, which is pretty much entirely what makes wyvern good
Last priority
thin cosmos
our question would be instead fighter vs wyvern
keen obsidian
does juneau get both manjuu and tears?
elder crane
Tears optional on Jun or flex slot ship
On Jun probably better vs standard but worse vs torps?
keen obsidian
I have weird situations she becomes the last person alive
elder crane
Hard to say and really probably makes minimal diff
If it's like once vs weird teams/torps that can happen ye
But pretty much never should vs normal teams if you're running meta vanguard
thin cosmos
I think tear on juneau better in most case, but sometimes DD tear better
keen obsidian
prob not meta but I'm going with Intrepid or Shinano / Rich / JB + Jun Aya Bel
elder crane
Well that's probably why Jun can be last ship alive
Or like I'm surprised it doesn't happen fairly often lol
keen obsidian
sometimes I have to give manjuu to Int just to avoid that
candid sluice
I’d use tears on aya in that squad
flint python
You guys don't do Helena Manjuu?
elder crane
why rely on 60% proc 🤷
thin cosmos
and I know who is stupid enough to think her as important))))
sour oasis
Halo still playing. 
Halo has Wyvern
sacred heath
don't we all have wyvern now
sour oasis
Tears optional on Jun or flex slot ship
Worst part of tears off Juneau is if they activate alongside Elite Repair. Juneau gets healed, but must die even if she had.
thin cosmos
don't we all have wyvern now <:WarZoom:771757087092244511>
it just mean you can get it in this month not now
sour oasis
don't we all have wyvern now <:WarZoom:771757087092244511>
A little pity for us with the terrible RNG. ||Just stop laughing plz||
sacred heath
thin cosmos
also korean server alone got operation 1month later
candid sluice
What’s wyvern?
uncut agate
fighter plane 
candid sluice
Hmm if my port shops gave me 2 ur prints maybe I’ll remember what it is
elder crane
Worst part of tears off Juneau is if they activate alongside Elite Repair. Junea...
That's the intended result though
you get a chunk of heal to rest of team before Juneau happens
sour oasis
That's the intended result though
you get a chunk of heal to rest of team before...
No, no, I mean the Tear also heals Juneau, who's at that point is on a countdown timer to die ("now she dies with health" being the minor annoyance).
elder crane
you also will most often get pearl after Juneau dies
thin cosmos
so how is the proportion of defense fleet there in strong fleet?
my server is too tiny and lagged with new meta so no HMS torp so far
sour oasis
you also will most often get pearl after Juneau dies
True. It's just 🤦 when it doesn't.
sour oasis
so how is the proportion of defense fleet there in strong fleet?
Counting the 80% that don't PvP and leave their defense as "starter + Long Island"? Much smaller.
thin cosmos
Counting the 80% that don't PvP and leave their defense as "starter + Long Islan...
I mean only in strong enough fleets who are play actively
sour oasis
I would guess about 40%
From my experience on Avrora, the top 250 play with a mix of "intentionally strong", "accidentally strong" (RNG-based ships or strong-but-ill-equipped), "accidentally weak" (a mix of strong and bad), or "weak" (either level-1s or just a joke fleet)
I can only assume the top 1000 plays with the same dispersion.
The middle 2000-5000 is 50-50 between accidentally strong or being weak.
thin cosmos
ok
candid sluice
My server is really wack the types of defense fleets are everywhere
Blacktorp nuke defense hasn’t reached it yet thankfully
thin cosmos
yeah what I want to know it basically that-how fast the forp meme and some new experimental fleet spreed
candid sluice
Yeah it hasn’t reached amagi server yet
radiant brook
Only saw it a handful of times here, still not widespread
trail temple
You need 3 black torps to make it work, and I think most people don't have that to make torp memes work as intended. 2 is insufficient and 1 is certainly out
elder crane
Even more gatekeep than Azuma/FdG/457 setups
Since at least those you can try to sub
No black torps tho? 🇫
Although I do wonder how naked HMS torps would do
trail temple
Could give it a try myself but they end up being released parallel to each other rather than a straight line because the vg like to move a lot
Well, conga line to be a little more accurate
candid sluice
Non blacktorp hms whiffs like 80% of the time for me
Unless I’m lined up perfectly with backline it will miss
sour oasis
Black-torp HMS misses like 80% for me. I don't think my aux is working. it works a lot better for the opponent
candid sluice
Are u offense? If so yea the accuracy is still
sour oasis
candid sluice
I tried both with/without at the same time using ibuki 
she misses way more than hitting
sour oasis
I feel like it's 80-20 split of strong/weak at where I am,
That's also because you don't have a high-end navy
candid sluice
trail temple
Mr E be 🔥
leaden sky
Waiting time 
elder crane
I tried both with/without at the same time using ibuki <:Smilebuki:6661114392657...
Black torp only affects her first preload
leaden sky
Go up blue 
elder crane
Also ye HMS black torp over normal mags doesn't actually make hitting that much more likely (or like less likely overall, but probably slightly more per torp), it just means if anything gets hit then it gets nuked
candid sluice
Black torp only affects her first preload <:PortDoll:585585241142591535>
Which is why I said with/without at the same time first preload is mags second is horizontal
midnight heron
since wyvern is broken, how would a fleet full of tb cvs do
like maybe ark formi shinano
assuming u can somehow get 6 wyverns anytime soon
candid sluice
Ark and formi are kinda wack choices 
I would prob run something like shinano shoukaku hiryuu
midnight heron
yea but they got 2 tb slots so
just wondering wat wud happen
imagine 6 wyvern intercepts
candid sluice
Guess we need to wait 30 months to find out
uncut agate
kms pvp
midnight heron
its actually doable under 2 years not like that changes things a whole lot
abstract cypress
kms pvp <:AmagiHeh:666111440582606868>
uncut agate
just use TB stuka on last slot and standard stuff in other 2
abstract cypress
then u cant put wyvern
some gigabrain propose ar
buts its only good on non plane hell pve
candid sluice
Use db junkers
abstract cypress
nu i want wyvern
midnight heron
whyvern
abstract cypress
Tigercat junkers wyvern
u can only put 1 tb 
and junker db is shit
and back to square one, ar vs messer vs junker vs d-4
candid sluice
u can only put 1 tb <:MutsukiStare:470999577156124693>
Unless u wanna use messer or the other ironblood interception plane db junkers is all u got
trail temple
Some big brain stuff:
After I do my 5 for this reset, and no further bonus points, I should be about 1051, which puts me into +10 wins. Should I take a -2 to put me at 1049 which means I can still get a +14 for a win instead of +11?
tender bay
Lol i never thought about that
candid sluice
He is thinking in the fourth dimension
It’s a big gamble if you even get someone that gives +14
safe meteor
what dive bomber is best to equip for like Shinano and Hiryuu kai for pvp?
SB2C helldiver, Yokosuka Susei Model, Fairey Barracuda 831 squadron, or any other im missing?
radiant brook
Is 1007, 6 loss, 0/10 looking good?
sour oasis
Good for what.
1007, 3/10 (3 losses) would be somewhat survivable actually. It's a baseline score, but it's only day 5.
candid sluice
what dive bomber is best to equip for like Shinano and Hiryuu kai for pvp?
SB2C...
Purple helldiver is alright, suisei has garbage bombs, 831 is literally one bomb that’s incredibly inconsistent
Best dive bomber is experimental xsb3c aka gold helldiver, use it on everything
safe meteor
but is it worth the super slow reload?
trail temple
2 good airstrikes > 3 average ones
sour oasis
but is it worth the super slow reload?
It's only 0.03s slower... (than the purple Helldiver, which has a huge bomb spread)
sour oasis
I think the scaling was at equal levels the gold is stronger, but the purple jumps ahead at +11, then gold jumps ahead at +12
The jump a purple makes from +10 to +11 is bigger than when a gold does it. (But the gold gets to go to +13.)
sour oasis
I 🍀 poverty, shut up luck sack.
Though if you can update the purple to gold, you get the plates back.
candid sluice
But not all the gold
sour oasis
Yeah, well... Stop researching to get more gold
candid sluice
How else am I supposed to get azuma prints
sour oasis
Spend cubes 
trail temple
Then I get FDG cubes and I'm already dev30 on her
ngl I have a feeling I'll have enough prints to fs5 FDG before I get dev30 Azuma
thin cosmos
why do you guys upgrade purple? It's quite hard to understand for me.
collecting 120 plane plate takes much longer than making gold planes
so always when you have 120 plate, you must could make hornet or tigercat or helldiver
I could make 4 gold planes while collecting just 120 plates
radiant brook
Stopgap equip I guess
You get 100% refund of the plates you thrown into the purple diver
candid sluice
I don’t know anybody who upgrades purple that was just for comparisons sake
Complete waste of gold even if plates are refunded
uncut agate
all the plates get refund on upgrading an equipment, like sb2c to sb3c
candid sluice
Repair crane is gold
trail temple
Almost like losing to Portland
naive crane
does your defense fleet passively gain exp from people battling them
radiant brook
No
radiant brook
Not really, the attacker can just reset and crack the defense
naive crane
wdym reset
radiant brook
Leave the battle and attack again
Rinse and repeat until the rng stop favouring the defender
radiant brook
No
naive crane
wuuut
radiant brook
And it's pretty much required if you meet a cancer flexer
naive crane
if ranks were held longer than 2 weeks, ranks would be a bigger flex right
radiant brook
If you mean bigger flex = flexing how much sleep you lose to PvP resetting then yeah
naive crane
yea
candid sluice
Defense fleet is there to stall your opponents
Or give em free exp if you’re nice like me
thin cosmos
It's just fun nothing else about defense fleet.
radiant brook
And then there are the guys who give sauce code in his PvP fleet
Those guys are the true heroes
light crystal
<:YorkBruh:588629709328482325>
There's no stalling with torp meme tho. There's either u lose in first 15s, or u win in 20s. No in between 
candid sluice
Yea torpmemes force u to reset 10 secs into the match
candid sluice
radiant brook
I would want to put sauce code in my PvP team as well, too bad none of them had any codes to them
And one of them is a sub
crude mortar
if you post screen shot of your fleet,you can get warning/banned from this discord and become ez mod's social credit point
just saying
candid sluice
Post it in #gameplay-help instead, u won’t get banned and u get shitty advice
radiant brook
trail temple
Post it in <#460645783021289472> instead, u won’t get banned and u get shitty ad...
Like using 3 quint mags for your torp meme team in pvp? 
candid sluice
Like using 3 quint mags for your torp meme team in pvp? <:pausechamp:77915464358...
And using manjuu helena over juneau 
ebon kraken
"You guys don't do Helena Manjuu? "
radiant brook
but is helena a good user of manjuu if you dont have a lvl 110+ juneau? (mine is 77)
trail temple
Other option: Spend the time to level up the Juneau instead and don't worry about optimising till that point
crude mortar
i mean somebody once using nuke code as defense fleet and post here and get warning
trail temple
I mean, I can get a warning for talking normally so
candid sluice
I can’t even post baguette without getting a warn
trail temple
Hey Arrow, do you wanna see my, 138.6mm? It's +10 and rekts them "torp cancer"
radiant brook
can you get warned for saying that?
gritty cove
If we wage war against the mods, doesn't that count as pvp
What does the airstrike crit rate actually mean, bomb crits, fighter gun crits?
sour oasis
Post it in <#460645783021289472> instead, u won’t get banned and u get shitty ad...
No, they would say go take that to #pvp ||and get banned there||
candid sluice
sour oasis
trail temple
If we wage war against the mods, doesn't that count as pvp
I think it'd be known as Exodus in the AL-bible
thin cosmos
btw what is sauce code? I can't get what it is
remote sage
is there no penalty at all for setting a weak defense fleet so others have ez win?
candid sluice
Nope
remote sage
I tried it once and dropped to rank 3000 and got worried switched back to serious, gonna switch back to ez fleet, seems the best for the community imho
thin cosmos
I wonder more merit is better community.
you can get more burin with it but that's all.
basically growing slower or faster doesn't effect fun as I think.
candid sluice
I tried it once and dropped to rank 3000 and got worried switched back to seriou...
I mean your rank is going to drop regardless, defense fleet is there to be annoying to attacks really
thin cosmos
Same for ex farming side.
nothing except fun comes from azur lane reward, so all choice has same goodness
candid sluice
Yeah would be nice if server pvp was nice to everyone and gave ranking rewards
But with any competitive ladder there are ppl who are gonna do their best to be at the top
thin cosmos
I mean people with hard defense fleet are not bad person
candid sluice
I know I meant the ultra competitive top ladder campers that gatekeep aotn n such
trail temple
btw what is sauce code? I can't get what it is
Some people leave 6-digit numbers on their shipgirls that are in the defence fleet. That 6-digit number pertains to a doujin that can be quite... satisfying in a certain particular way.
abstract cypress
man of pve culture use manju on helena
smh
when giga douchebag show up but u just casual rusher
crude mortar
upper cove
why not
trail temple
She's a qt
light crystal
Intrepid is OK I guess, if u wanna do USN meme stuff. Good defensive play.
crude mortar
yeah why tiger
use triple tiger for the sake of -1s airstrike so your airstrike cant bypass 10% enemy aa from hidden mode? no thx
and use tiger you so roll dice vs enemy enty instead of guarantee winning at 3rd airstrike cuz 4s faster reload?
radiant brook
@crude mortar can your strat be replicated if i replace intrepid with srl?
crude mortar
what srl
radiant brook
shangri la
crude mortar
gl tanking nagato burn with shang
i use interpid cuz other cv might die before 2nd airstrike
radiant brook
what does intrepid do?
radiant brook
its just makes her take no burn dmg once when low health
radiant brook
its just armour break on BB, when most ppl run 2 CV and 1 BB, and the buff sticks even after nugget dies
i dont see how much difference it makes even without armour break
abstract cypress
Once per battle, when this ship's HP falls below 20.0%, activates the following buffs:
Decreases this ship's DMG taken by 15.0% (25.0%) for 20s.
This ship takes 0 Burn DMG for 30s.
radiant brook
How would it make any difference? It's still an instant kill when both CV launch
abstract cypress
the number is there
it should be make difference
im using it and u dont
thats another difference
radiant brook
As if it would stop the wyverns from killing intrepid instantly
candid sluice
abstract cypress
and use tiger you so roll dice vs enemy enty instead of guarantee winning at 3rd...
im using ol sb2c and bananas
btw im enlightened
fastest enty in the west :pog:
candid sluice
🛫🛫
trail temple
Mine's faster
that's what he said
crude mortar
glossy meteor
hey guys how do you deal with 5k torp damage thats not crits
crude mortar
did you just get naganami'd
glossy meteor
prob
i just keep retrying whenever it doesn't look to good
i have been trying prob for the past 25 min
uncut agate
rng my way through with manjuu Juneau
glossy meteor
ah i see
i could win, but ryuie counter attack like why did they think that would be ok 14 sec of invuln puls you don't die when its over why
i mean like using it for regular fleet stuff horrible, but pvp she is a monster
in the end i just said screw it and hit new opponent
uncut agate
candid sluice
Yea your best bet is lead manjuu jun or reset till you dodge all torps
glossy meteor
i can deal with the frontline with the right rng the prob comes in when its after that
cause evertime i get a good set of rng my Enty doens't proc Lucky E and dies
i seriously wish they made something that would help reduce torp damage by a decent amount
like half
candid sluice
Gold torp bulge when
sour oasis
Quadruple.. Or even sextuple debuffs also work. Richelieu, Shinano, Amagi, Noshiro, Naval Treaty, and Bulge all reduce torpedo damage. @glossy meteor
Granted you'll be putting so much into debuffs, you might not have a great team.
thin cosmos
torp itself isn't OP but HMS torp +black oxy little OP like wyvern as I think
you can counter it but if you do so, you have to sacrifice too much from other side so you can't indeed
just too high chance of nuking 1 ship in 3seconds
anyway I don't expect any balance patch for sure
light crystal
Yo people from Washington. Currently running Cancer torp Defense of Jin/Nag/Noshi, 120/200, 533Mk9/Black-Rainbow Dildos. Should u run into it, feel free to tell of how the experience went
sour oasis
"To gain an intimate knowledge of our engines of destruction, cover both your eyes and count to 3."
royal oyster
what you think is sandbagging is just a dead server
abstract cypress
what you think is sandbagging is just a dead server <:AkagiLUL:53198839269988761...
im like 40 pts away from top1
hes on the bottom now
u can see my ss on top
trail trench
Been messing around with ryuu/XSB3C/wyvern Shin and at least on offense she's been doing well to cuck most cvs, but especially Hiryuu
candid sluice
sour oasis
Would microphones help torpedo meme over an oxy-torp?
gritty cove
No
elder crane
Torpmemes don't make too good use of more +hit really
Naganami already has like near 300 hit stat
The CLs around 250 iirc
Even ykkz boi iirc has sub 40% evarate
sour oasis
I'm getting salty from RNG making my torpedoes hit a vanguard ship only to show "miss"
But a simple +single-digit % isn't going to make me reset much less so back to restarting I go.
glossy meteor
welp i once again reaffirm my hate for Juneau, Shinano, and retro Shiryuu
Curse you JP META
elder crane
But a simple +single-digit % isn't going to make me reset much *less* so back to...
Would it even be single digit tho lol
Iirc +10 hit on 200 hit ship vs 100 eva is like sub 0.2% hitrate increase
Scaling that to, say, +35 on 250 hit vs 150-200 eva
Ye I think around 1% at best?
edit: actually did the calcs this time, it's like 3%
Usually HMS torpmemes miss physically, not due to evarate anyways
Sure you can dodge 3-4/5 torps but try dodging 7-8/10 basically
When even ykkz with blue skill is coinflip to be hit for each torp
glossy meteor
Hey guys do you ever think that someday the meta won't be JP Backline and JP frontline with Juneau in as the main meta
sour oasis
Usually HMS torpmemes miss physically, not due to evarate anyways
Sure you can d...
This is true. But seeing the "miss" is pretty demoralizing.
elder crane
IJN has been meta longer than it hasn't
sour oasis
IJN.. When was IJN not the peak meta? That short while WaSD was a thing?
elder crane
in EN for even longer
glossy meteor
This is true. But seeing the "miss" is pretty demoralizing.
What is worse is when you see a backline ship with no health but is living so Warspite snipes it and wastes a damage
glossy meteor
IJN.. When was IJN not the peak meta? That short while WaSD was a thing?
WaSD what
elder crane
HMS then WaSD but post-Amagi has been alll IJN
sour oasis
HMS was a thing? I thought foxes struck first?
glossy meteor
what is WaSD
elder crane
Washington South Dakota
sour oasis
Washington South Dakota (and maybe Enterprise)
glossy meteor
so pretty much IJN has been the meta except for maybe like a few weeks
elder crane
was Warkai FdG.... Amagi
and then Juneau... Azuma ykkz
well for first 4 months in EN basically
in CN non-IJN meta was around longer
sour oasis
I never thought QE was ever a serious threat. It would have been QE, WS, Lusty, Belfast, Javelin.. Was gold girl, can't remember her name, out yet?
glossy meteor
ya know it feels like IJN new ships goes like this ok PvE ships, but a monster PvP ship
elder crane
Juneau has been a staple since literally forever in literally every comp that isn't some sort of torpmemes
Fortune is budget ykkz basically
sour oasis
Yeah.
glossy meteor
is their even a viable meta that is non-IJN at this point
honestly you need at least to have Juneau cause 50% heal is to good not to
sour oasis
I thought only retrofit Fortune was somewhat OK?
glossy meteor
low-IJN not no-IJN but low
what are they?
elder crane
Fort retro was really early though
3 CV USN/2 CV USN+PoW
Percy Warkai FdG
but like
Percy Warkai FdG is 2x457 comp
so
glossy meteor
hold on 3 CV USN explain
elder crane
Enty edit: derp, Essex + flexible third option
often Helena and/or Sandy front with Juneau
maybe Eld in there but imo that's sketch
glossy meteor
like if i try and run 3 CVs it does nothing to frontline
that could be me doing bad comps but
hold on so its Enterprise, Enterprise third option what?
elder crane
flexible (aka no one really runs this enough for it to settle)
Intrepid or PoW is usual but I've seen BH too and afaik really not any noticeable diff between her and Intrepid
glossy meteor
i get enty but what is up with the other enty option tho
glossy meteor
thank you if i could double run enty i would
hold on isn't one of the Ashes a enterprise soooo
elder crane
anyways it's fairly viable, but probably over-reliant on Helena/Sandy
Could also try Ches over Sandy
glossy meteor
after all in the Azur Lane Meta there is only IJN
i mean it might not be reliant on helena
elder crane
it's pretty reliant on Helena proc to beat IJN meta comps
glossy meteor
ya i know i pretty much if i don't get a enty luckyE and a helena proc its a reset
radiant brook
Is the Kanzaki team usable if we swap intrepid for 
?
elder crane
I've seen that team and is pretty okay
probably safer in the sense that it shouldn't get hard walled since at worst you can still RNG smack vanguard
although I'd drop Sandy and maybe helena
radiant brook
Swap them for who?
thin cosmos
what's kanzaki team?
elder crane
Enty Essex Intrepid Jun Helena Sandy still I think?
elder crane
It's pretty dependent on Helena imo vs actual meta comp (although those are rare)
and slightly on Sandy esp if vs wyverns
needs to remain unspotted
thin cosmos
ofcourse you need radar activation to kill in 1 strike
flint python
I've been using this team. Crash dmg is just too overwhelming even if Helena doesn't proc
elder crane
for story teim
so you know how I'm running HMS torpmemes rn right?
last time I tested vs Kanzaki a bit
sniped Enty before first launch 3/5 times
radiant brook
elder crane
and that's offense
glossy meteor
ah yes torp memes where a single non crit does 5k damage
radiant brook
And that's why never put enty on flag
elder crane
nah was off flag at the time
don't put at bottom or flag basically
top side very slightly safer
flag, well, depends on vanguard probably
some vanguard can intercept preloads, most get somewhat in the way of Naganami 10 s
glossy meteor
ok how do torp comps work all i know is that it can do ridiculous damage for no good reason
radiant brook
Instant kill mobile nukes
elder crane
they died for a while since WNT made them not have enough burst
but then HMS torps happened
the thing with HMS torps is
it's all or nothing
unlike fan mags where every ship eats like 3-4 at most
glossy meteor
why
one day i hope that yostar will give us gold torp bulge
glossy meteor
it's all or nothing
explain this to me
elder crane
if HMS torps hits, you're looking at like 6+ torps hitting at once
since it's all in one tight cluster
radiant brook
One single straight line, one after another, so it's not spread out
glossy meteor
so its death or complete miss
radiant brook
If it hits: hoo boy
If it didn't: reset
elder crane
it's not just that
it's that it focuses all the dmg on 1-2 ships
which basically instakills them
glossy meteor
wow
elder crane
thing is, a 10% ship deals as much dmg as a 100% ship
radiant brook
Black torp makes the first strike homing
elder crane
but a ded ship is, well, ded
thin cosmos
I've been using this team. Crash dmg is just too overwhelming even if Helena doe...
@flint python without radar you can't kill them before there 2nd air strikes and hiryuu would do final counter
elder crane
I mean the problem with old torpmemes is that it had trouble actually killing
glossy meteor
ah
elder crane
so then they would just murder it in return
you needed a critical amt of preloaded dmg to actually kill
flint python
<@557037147690106890> without radar you can't kill them before there 2nd air str...
First airstrike remove Hiryuu's friends anyway
elder crane
with HMS torps it's much lower threshold since torps all hit same target
flint python
But I'm using wyvern so
crude mortar
i dont rely on helena proc tho it just option
enty proc
i win
helena proc i also win
if both not proccing and enemy nagato not proccing i also win
flint python
Helena proc is just a bonus cheat code
elder crane
Kanzaki team on defense tho is a joke for non-torpmeme meta
crude mortar
if i have 3wyvern
thin cosmos
I don't think so for sure not that strong damage you can deal
crude mortar
nanoryu wyvern doesn't really amtter to me
elder crane
since more planes in slot
crude mortar
cuz my fleet had 90% plane damage reduction
elder crane
does it though
candid sluice
crude mortar
having 10-15% hp left
crude mortar
i have essex reduction % too
elder crane
Essex doesn't affect crash
elder crane
also it's -35% multiplicative
thin cosmos
nanoryuu in defense should left some hp without helena proc for sure
elder crane
mmm idk about that one
crude mortar
their plane barely reach backline health some of them get shot down
thats why i dont play 2 cv and 1 bb
crude mortar
its not high but its alot
candid sluice
Is this the triple uss cv
elder crane
anyways on offense I haven't seen non-barrage planes being shot down
crude mortar
the only fleet i have problem is famine's
elder crane
by Kanzaki team on defense
crude mortar
cuz he use sandy and 818
elder crane
it does shoot down Hiryuu barrage though, and with 3CV, even one wyvern can't guarantee spotting on all
although
2 more plane prints
and I'll have second wyvern
crude mortar
my fleet is far from finished
flint python
Almost anything works on offense fleet
candid sluice
How tf are u almost at two wyverns
thin cosmos
wth? 2nd?
candid sluice
I don’t even have one
crude mortar
and my plane not fully +13
candid sluice
Those guns are hella expensive
crude mortar
can scale alot more
elder crane
I got 5 plane prints Dec/Jan
candid sluice
72 circuit boards
crude mortar
my fleet can deal like 20-30% more damage if fully geared
candid sluice
What lvl cats?
elder crane
20
candid sluice
flint python
Haven't gotten any rainbow plane designs from abyss
elder crane
wait actually
candid sluice
I’m 21/18 and getting rainnow upgrade plates
elder crane
only 2 from abyss
thin cosmos
well what I have to say is I collected 18000 ticket last season
elder crane
5 from cats
candid sluice
More than I’ve ever gotten
candid sluice
I cleared 6 and didn’t get shit
elder crane
anyways 2 more and then second wyvern time
flint python
I thought everyone has wyvern now since port shop gives 2/3 each reset. welp not if you start opsi late
elder crane
ye abyssals are
elder crane
yep if you don't slacc guaranteed wyvern by halfway through march
thin cosmos
PORT SHOPS ALWAYS SELL IT AT LAST DAY
elder crane
rn though shop rotation maybe could have trolled you
candid sluice
And port shops are cucking me too
candid sluice
No ur print since reset
flint python
Yeah my first Wyvern literally all from port shop
elder crane
I think rn you should be, hold on
candid sluice
Bruh I’ve been grinding since day 1 of opsi
elder crane
oh we should be almost done the pool already
candid sluice
thin cosmos
it just mean we can get it till march 13
candid sluice
I will mald hard if u do get a second
flint python
Just buy everything in the shop to remove the trash from the item pool
elder crane
tbh I haven't gotten all three UR this month, which I'm already counting
the thing is
all three appeared in first shop rotation
and I couldn't farm fast enough
flint python
How tf you only have 7
elder crane
it's hard to farm with low adapt too
candid sluice
Piss poor dogshit luck
elder crane
since SH/abyss is the fastest way
thin cosmos
I would not sleep and grind if I can get wyvern right now
candid sluice
Not much I can do besides wait at this point
I don’t even see others on ladder using wyvern
Yet
thin cosmos
me too
candid sluice
At least I haven’t noticed
thin cosmos
anyway return to kanzaki team, still I'm sure they can't do enough damage without sg proc
candid sluice
Top100 no wyverns so far
radiant brook
As long as the carriers remain hidden, Kanzaki could cheese a win
Nagato can't spot even with proc
flint python
They can do enough dmg if offense fleet
crude mortar
you can always cheese a win with eldridge
thin cosmos
Top100 no wyverns so far
it must be your misundersamtanding. quite a lot guys would have wyvern now
candid sluice
Well I haven’t noticed any
radiant brook
They WILL have wyvern now, everyone gets them this month if they are playing ops since inverted orthant
candid sluice
No shit
flint python
You on Amagi?
candid sluice
Yes
thin cosmos
and it not that hard to farm more than just 1 ur plate. so most would have faster than bruh
flint python
Ehh people too lazy to care about defense fleet
candid sluice
Been seeing more and more full oath defenses nowadays
And more ppl actually doing exers in amagi which is nice
Last season eos scores were highest I’ve ever seen
radiant brook
Just put up a meme defense and let others get merit
flint python
You might have fought my fleet pretty much not geared most of the time
thin cosmos
They can do enough dmg if offense fleet
uss CVs skill sets are quite defensive so not that easy to kill all 3 vg in 1 strike
thin cosmos
your vg damage is just miserable to kill 20%hp azuma
so incase she survive till 2nd strike, all gone and hiryuu vs enty
flint python
Azuma gets deleted lol
elder crane
rn the main thing I see with defense fleets
thin cosmos
do you use 818?
elder crane
is Nano is often used in op si
which means she is running converging
which is a joke
flint python
do you use 818?
Who doesn't
thin cosmos
I don't use that slow trash
candid sluice
Lol yea shinano with double ryuusei is hilarious
flint python
Well apparently that slow trash helps other cvs hit
thin cosmos
video result always needed to advance more but only some make it
elder crane
problem w 818 offense is that it's unreliable
only useful if it turns losing situation into winning more often than it turns winning into losing
Honestly kinda hard to quantify without a lot of maffs that is better off as "just try it either way, and note if it saves you more often or if you lose by a hair more often
elder crane
I use it for torpmemes rn since if torpmemes hit it's a 100% win basically, but if torps miss, maybe 818-Hiryuu + nano can cheese out a win anyways
thin cosmos
clever but nasty)))
elder crane
more or less since torpmemes is super sink or swim, 818 being worse if it doesn't hit doesn't really matter
flint python
USS CV tb is pretty garbo anyway so 818 for that slot is not bad
thin cosmos
the problem would be synchro there launch
elder crane
ye 818 is slow on hit, and TB torps tend to hit last in any airstrike
elder crane
shorter than wyvern 
flint python
time adjusting is hard
thin cosmos
cento is perfect for 818
elder crane
you could just run it on the VF-17 CV
thin cosmos
but wonder uss cv
candid sluice
Just use beacons
thin cosmos
all 3 use it or you would be delayed
candid sluice
I don’t on all
thin cosmos
anyway beacon can deal with BB too
candid sluice
2/3 of em
None on nano to let 818 hit first
And slower launch doesn’t matter if I can delete 2/3 of vanguard with a single round of airstrikes
Pretty much guaranteed w at that point
flint python
I don't even use 818 on Centaur anymore just wyvern Enemy vg still ded
thin cosmos
you would be killed before 1st strike vs percy warkai FDG..
candid sluice
What are the odds I ever run into that
candid sluice
Percy on defense is pretty shit imo
radiant brook
So Perseus/warspite/fdg is only good on offense?
candid sluice
It’s fodder or defense
thin cosmos
I was thinking about best setting in defense
flint python
You don't even need fdg for that to work any hms BB is also fine but sometimes it overkills the target
candid sluice
Warkai Percy on offense is fine, defense it’s garbo
thin cosmos
just switching hiryuu can shinano is solution
also lower damage makes hard to kill even without switching+longer vg distance makes lower chance to kill
candid sluice
What comp are you talking abt?
radiant brook
Is warspite/enty/shinano a viable offense backline?
thin cosmos
offense
candid sluice
It doesn’t seem bad
flint python
Yes
candid sluice
But fdg could be replaced
And shelling nowadays seems really inconsistent
My warkai splashes water 50% of her shots
One round to backline, one to vanguard (miss), and last is random
thin cosmos
torp vg are very fragile so 2 starting airstrikes would be hurt
candid sluice
Even then she can still delete nagato
Yea if u outlive initial torpmeme blast then u should win
thin cosmos
but BB takes torp really well due to no stealth
my question would rather this
standard azuma VG or torp VG would better against percy warkai+something?
candid sluice
Uhh
How hard does Percy initial launches hit?
Against a fragile vang like torpmemes I would assume quite a bit
thin cosmos
it does in stealth so quite hurt
flint python
It chunks 15-25% of vg health in my experience
radiant brook
Does Perseus get hard countered by something like max AA sandy?
thin cosmos
3fighter+3tb might be
candid sluice
Against azuma ehh idk how effective those strikes are
I guess tigercat wyvern will always hurt
Don’t have wyvern so can’t test
thin cosmos
yeah so if she can kill like nagamami+jintu, you might can win without 1 back line ship
candid sluice
I doubt her strikes can sink anything in one go
flint python
She can't kill anyone with preload unless under level enemies
candid sluice
I mean u could use her for early 818 slows for ur torpmeme vanguard
thin cosmos
ok I would test this if I get wyvern
candid sluice
That might be able to wipe
radiant brook
So tigercat+818?
thin cosmos
but why tigercat?? hornet better
candid sluice
Give her gas and the torps could reach in time
Need to test tho
Yea probs hornet on Percy
flint python
I prefer Wyvern. 818 hits after your vanguard torps even with avi fuel
candid sluice
The extra aa doesn’t do anything on initial launch and extra speed helps reach end of screen faster
flint python
I prefer Wyvern. 818 hits after your vanguard torps even with avi fuel
Sometimes 818 hits first if you spawn further
candid sluice
@thin cosmos can u test? Percy sea hornet 818 avgas with torpmeme vanguard
thin cosmos
no torpmeme here but only weakones
flint python
Also prefer tigercat on Percy for the extra crash dmg
thin cosmos
tigercat has more crash?
flint python
Yes
candid sluice
More hp but lower flight speed
I prefer the speed
No point in higher health if it gets shot down to 20%
flint python
I tested it tigercat perform more consistent
trail temple
🏃 💨
thin cosmos
importance is sync speed with TB
not faster
basically fighters used to cover TB))
ok I searched. seems tigercat better
candid sluice
I meant hornet for Percy
Tigercat everywhere else
Fighter coverage is relevant now
thin cosmos
kk
elder crane
I actually am not sure about that
F7F has higher base crash and plane HP than Hornet
flint python
Both take at least 1 shot from the enemy AA before reaching backline, I prefer tigercat since it has more health thus dealing more dmg. I'll only use Hornet on Percy if the enemy have really strong and fast AA
elder crane
pretty sure if you run avgas it's only 1 shot pretty much all the time?
maybe with gear lab AA but lol
flint python
Yes
candid sluice
No not always
elder crane
I mean no matter which planes used
you need vanguard to be forward and then move back for it to happen
flint python
What kind of AA memes are you facing lol
elder crane
and not be too far off to side
candid sluice
It highly depends on vanguard too
And if they can catch up to plane flight too with their movements
flint python
Since enemy defense fleet is closer to your side it's more likely they'll only get 1 shot off
elder crane
anyways I think that will be my next team to test
problem is no 457 and FdG still a bit from Dev30, guess I'll see if I can get Percy Warkai Howe to work or not
ehh
candid sluice
Enemy vang has more space to intercept planes
elder crane
it's the other way around
candid sluice
Offense has less space
elder crane
def fleet has access to full AA circle
flint python
Not if you slow them
elder crane
offense fleet AA circle if moves back extends beyond the crash line, so effectively is smaller
no it's not to do with movement
candid sluice
Also enemy vang can slide forward enough to start revealing your backline
flint python
anyways I think that will be my next team to test
problem is no 457 and FdG stil...
Warkai howe works with triple guns + hsfcr
elder crane
the issue is that defense AA actually extends behind the pt at which planes can travel
*no second 457
though I will try double mle too
elder crane
you use double HPFCR regardless