pvp

[placid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/skeletor-laughs-in-evil-laughing-myah-myaah-dasmemeistgut-gif-5356566587527840753

That bring critical hit lol :v

[brisk swift]

Just curious, why on the EN pvp spreadsheet it recommends the 550 quads instead of say, the 553 quad mag torps?

[vale minnow]

To blow away enemy Eldridge for a easy win

[brisk swift]

does that not entail greater torp rng tho

[lusty hill]

truth moment: tea torps is still superior to snipe backline considering eldrige will always proc her skill the moment the battle start rendering french torps useless

[hybrid agate]

serenity moment: backline just dies to lion burn so why snipe

[stable dawn]

what snipe
the backline is now invuln or stealthed

[lusty hill]

That's pretty cope

[high quest]

<@&472236072743600148>

[humble cairn]

/kick 709278483250937956

[chilly osprey]

ramadan#0 got kicked.

[high quest]

Thanks

[lusty hill]

[high quest]

What Gear do yall run on seydlitz? Preferably gold not rainbow. Guide wont work on mobile for me

[stable dawn]

@light crystal ty for saving my season old man

[keen silo]

you can use 2 of the 137mm gear lab dd guns

instead of plygun

[high quest]

Gold twin AP gun a solid pick? The one before rainbow twin 457 in gear lab?

[keen silo]

no, u should use HE guns on seydlitz

use rainbow 406 in gear lab if u don’t have lion’s gun

mk4 is for lion

[high quest]

Thanks, trying to square away pvp fleet. Lacking lion and laff2 hurts

[keen silo]

sorry but no lion = go next

it’s gonna be very hard

i’m not gonna say you can’t win, but any fleet with lion would kinda just run you down

[high quest]

Ive managed to squeeze by finishing top 30ish last 2 resets without by being really picky on fights. I can deal with most fleets if they have one or the other, not usually when both are setup

[keen silo]

what was your eos score this season, and did you hit aotn?

[high quest]

Fleet is highest ive hit and it was 2100ish forgot to check right before reset

[keen silo]

You should try to hit aotn

it’s definitely possible

[high quest]

Yeah thats the goal. Last season I was 2190ish and around 17th at the end. I have been used a pretty scuffed ass setup. I'm finally putting some attention into it now

[keen silo]

i think you’ll be fine

just do some sandbagging

[high quest]

For a fairly limited options would NJ WarKai Sey be a decent backline? Lacking the top end plane options for CV setups

[gloomy sand]

yes, acceptable. gearing's a bit weird to what i'm accustomed to, though. 457 NJ, 406mk7 Seyd, mk4 Warkai.

[high quest]

What would be a decent sub for mk4? I started playing during rysa event so missed that

Im assuming ideally another mk7?

[gloomy sand]

mk4 is the prerequisite for crafting a 457mm in gear lab. rather pricey, but it works great. affordable once you grind out opsi for a good while
another 457mm would affect the salvo timings since the abscd is long here, about 1s in between salvos for 2 ships.

[high quest]

Yeah ive got one of those. I get that and lion gun (mk2) mixed up

[fickle echo]

https://youtu.be/v4Z3Sha5DME?si=afizvtvMfOj0OWnD

[wet salmon]

Are those shields a skill or an equipment?

[broken spruce]

Just an Auxiliary skin, it has no use practically

[wet salmon]

Oh

Oh...

Ngl

I thought its some kind of op aux since i saw it everywhere

[stable dawn]

[lusty hill]

Asian harry potter

[trail temple]

Off topic

[whole salmon]

Kotori top with prowler actually works decently well. Kurumi not so much

[broken spruce]

What is prowler?

[unkempt vortex]

An Auxiliary only available during the duration of the To Love Ru Collab

[broken spruce]

I do have that, is that really good for pvp?

[unkempt vortex]

Seems fine at first for other contents,

but on pvp, a 1.5 second invulnerable is good

[broken spruce]

Alright

Time to do some experiments after next reset

[unkempt vortex]

Do use it on ships that prefer it, do take a look always at the document pinned 📌

[broken spruce]

Okie doki

[vale minnow]

top meta spotted

[hexed verge]

I also fought someone who had all the date a lane ships oathed and lvl 100

[vale minnow]

Sounds about right

[lusty hill]

:ranchSexCalm:

[astral mortar]

Is kurumi tokisaki useful for pvp?

And Any other ships from date a live Collab?

[broken spruce]

Kurumi is too RNG to be able to survive in the first 5 or 10 seconds, most of the time she's just KO-ed right away since the battle started

[broken spruce]

Kotori is a good option

[lusty hill]

Kotori is good at pcp because she's very cute

[broken spruce]

Useful enough also

[astral mortar]

Which other ships from date a live useful too

[broken spruce]

I suppose it's just Kotori, the rest aren't that usable for PvP, but they're good at mobbing though

[hexed verge]

One max upgraded what's the best pvp fleet i can make

[stable dawn]

just do exercies for free exp at that point tbh

[hexed verge]

I need to know who the best I have is

[broken spruce]

You can look at the pinned message about PvP guide

But with not having Lion and Eldridge (Retrofit), that's nearly impossible to do Exercises without losing some battles

[hexed verge]

Idl who those are

[gloomy sand]

I can see backline comp, but atm you don't have any workable frontliners

cheemsbubngar

[worldly ore]

You could make a decent main fleet with Seydlitz, Kotori, and FDG

The vanguard doesn't have many options though
I'd say a Tohka/Fortune Meta/Kurumi vanguard works best from those options

[hexed verge]

I might be able to get Eldridge

I need to see how much merit I have

The wiki lied

[high quest]

Eldridge sucks at base. you need to retro her and the item isn aviable atm

[hexed verge]

And she's not in the store

[broken spruce]

She will be there eventually

[lusty hill]

Reisen7 is having new ingredients in their kitchen

https://tenor.com/view/ratatouille-gif-21766790

[placid frigate]

Can wait to taste it too

[trail temple]

Dw, Serenity doesn't know when people are cooking well or not

[stable dawn]

Shiburin cooks

[placid frigate]

Close enough but still can be beaten :v

[knotty hazel]

only if the attacker has no advantages

[lusty hill]

What's the prelim evaluation for Lexington II in pvp?

[turbid wyvern]

Did jintsuu meta good for pvp?

[broken spruce]

Still a good meta

[trail temple]

It's either jintm or ykkz for the last vg slot

(I am not referring to vg positioning here)

[wheat vessel]

wait since when Jintsuu is back

i need her

[broken spruce]

Almost a year ago i suppose(?)

[whole salmon]

2 things of note

Kotori is better than expected

You can run over over Seydlitz for more consistent results

The other thing is that I might want to test Bois Balleau

[trail temple]

Inb4 UR event complete replaces Kotori

[whole salmon]

Possible yeah

[trail temple]

We also have the pvp testing channel if you want to help with the sheet

[whole salmon]

Tho they could always drop an Enterprise retrofit

And replaces Glorious

[trail temple]

Wouldn't that be glorious

[uncut agate]

[lusty hill]

Kotori cooks

I doubt the new UR will bring anything to the pvp meta

[stable dawn]

inb4 she's so strong eldy, laff2, and lion are out of the meta

[blazing orbit]

prevents all dot effects and also damage cap effects

[stable dawn]

damage skill that triggers when the battle starts that ignores evasion and has 100% crit rate

imagine losing when the fight finishes loading in

[lusty hill]

That's just Lexington 2

[placid frigate]

Trying mclenberg for 1st time in her full might agains some ppl call "the new meta pvp"

[stable dawn]

those people are psyopping you. Just use Yakuza

[placid frigate]

[placid frigate]

I wonder if he oath Monthpelier or/and essex, did it will be IdolPeler and Idolsex?

How it ended

[trail temple]

You had rng heavily in your favour

Their eldridge never proc'd

And also only 1 fight

So not exactly conclusive evidence

[stable dawn]

nah he won 100% of the time

add their fleet to T0

[hexed verge]

What the actual fuck

Talk about the freest w ive ever had

[placid frigate]

That not what i trying to said, but if you pick up it like that, no problem, what i trying to said is "new meta or old meta i still can beat them without taking any trouble"

Also one else is my point "i never copy commoner defender with same ships and same gears even they are use by most ppl because it reliable and already proved to be best ship for pvp" Even if i have same ship used in my pvp, i never copy commoner and keep with my own

[vale minnow]

commoner fleets are 🚮 , just use this

[placid frigate]

Yeap 100% agree with you, because somehow, they never try to make their own "style" and just prefer to do the same like other who already do it copy it and never change it before new "meta pvp" come out.

Somehow i miss the elder days when Azurlane main chapter still at 6 or 8, many variant of defender ship, ppl use what their think good/cool/lovable ship in their pvp

Unlike these day that "the destiny sealed" Appear (Laffey 2, eldridge retro)

[blazing orbit]

I mean it's not worse to copy a template, it's faster, and you'll likely be better than most of those that self experiment.

the main reason to test new fleets is if you enjoy building fleets or advancing the meta. there's nothing wrong in not liking to build and test new fleets

[placid frigate]

Yes nothing wrong with it, because the most blaming for this wrong is Dev who create the ship with that skills on it, player like us never wrong because we play and we pay it, the wrong and must be blamed was DEV (lol)

[blazing orbit]

there in fact should be an optimal or eventually nash build too if the meta is rps, and I think a lot of players treat the built teams as such

especially considering that since your defense fleet is supposed to be shit until the last 2 days tops most of your fights will be free

so it's hard to get solid data

[vale minnow]

i mean ships cant just have shit skills with every release
that means the game will be boring

[placid frigate]

I really miss elder days

[vale minnow]

i dont, the skins back then were timid

[placid frigate]

But u can make them naked back then with tools LOL

[blazing orbit]

I mean obviously there will be power creep but eld Lion are so clearly made without pvp in mind

[placid frigate]

Use the commoner provable and reliable ships is not a wrong also use experimental or your own also not wrong, but time get bored if you meet it again and again, more then 7yrs meet same person in same server (even he change his meta pvp every time the new one come out) kinda bored, and if you only farming merit to buy bulin, it was your big obstacle

[trail temple]

With a comment like that, you're really invalidating your own fleet. Solo Ranger or Long Island could beat a meta fleet with that kind of logic

[opaque plaza]

Found this comp pretty solid

[late heath]

I miss the day when pvp was just enterprise and whoever have better rng win

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-lol-cant-stop-laughing-gif-14341553

[foggy whale]

Today it's Eldy and whoever has better rng

[mortal aspen]

Laffy2 still is big part of it

[stable dawn]

I miss when kashino was meta

[placid frigate]

Like what i already said before, that not what i mean but if you take it like that, sure no problem, everyone have their own prespective, and no one wrong with their own, and i keep with my own orespective

[placid frigate]

Same here

[trail temple]

So what are you trying to say then?

[late heath]

she is still meta

[placid frigate]

Bruhhh :v

"Ppl like me who only farming merits without need to be the most stronger or top player AOTN ranking had to deal with those commoner piece of shit who take longer to be dealing then meet other player who give easy defender to be farmed" and "whatever they put on their defender (for ppl who use commoner meta) i still can beat them so what is the point to be put it on first place? To make other ppl like me who only need farming merits take much time to be dealed? Even at the end that prideful formation can be beaten" and "some ppl like me who not have much time to play azurlane will take more time only for dealing with them (if) their refresh oppponent was already used"

[trail temple]

Okay, you can beat a meta fleet with Ranger or Long Island. What makes your non-meta fleet different?

Are you trying to tell me your non-meta fleet is better than the meta? Or that with enough luck and attacker advantage that anything is possible?

Or, do you simply enjoy reveling in asinine conversation?

[placid frigate]

U still doesn't understand what i mean lol, all what i mean is simple "just give me easy defender because i only need merits" That all

[trail temple]

No, we get it. I just had hope you were better than making asinine and superfluous remarks.

To answer your statement however

https://tenor.com/view/dr-evil-how-about-no-austin-powers-gif-17640212

[placid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/shirley-goodloe-come-on-bring-it-on-gif-12537396

Nice u already understand it even we have different perspectives

[finite fog]

1. just copy our fleets and you won't have trouble
2. the "commoner" fleets aren't for you

[keen silo]

that’s what everyone wants but we can’t all get what we want, so people use meta fleets to guarantee a win easily

[wicked surge]

Yooooo dramas

[placid frigate]

Finally someone understand :v i had to deal with the different prespective and they don't get it :v

[steel coral]

Trying sodak for 1st time in her full might agains some ppl call "the new meta pvp"

[stable dawn]

T0 fleet

you guys should add it to the sheet

[late heath]

I guess some people just want to use non meta fleet. At the end of the day, AL PvP is super easy, just sandbagging take skill effort. That being said, non meta fleet won’t be as strong as meta ones

AL have free buff for PvP to make it easier unlike NIKKE whereas if you don’t use meta fleet, you get wiped off the floor

[wicked surge]

Man where tf where is your girl

[placid frigate]

Nikke is the next level :v

[wicked surge]

AL should penalize resetting and cut off all attack buffs

[late heath]

Get rid of reset altogether

And have matches run server based, not client based

So even if you alt + F4, the result won’t change

And yea, cut off all the buff too

Remove sandbag and give points to winners, subtract points from losers

Make it so ship start off in equal distance too

Then pit the top, say, 20 against each other at EoS

Whereas it’s 5 fleet vs 5 fleet for each match

So that 1 meta fleet won’t cut it

[stable dawn]

too much effort, just delete pvp from the game and replace with that roguelike cardgame mode they did 2-3 years back

[late heath]

You will have to rotate ships around

[stable dawn]

so we get merit from doing runs

and pvp will just be a memory

https://tenor.com/view/final-fantasy-vii-sephiroth-hehe-look-up-smirk-gif-17182847

[trail temple]

Sounds like BA pvp

(not the roguelike)

[whole salmon]

• Step 1: New ship release, some players make teams around that new ships to test possible comps
• Step 2: People lose to that comp a few times, gets walled or felt frustrated
• Step 3: People don’t know how to beat it proceed to copy it to use attacker advantage to win
• Step 4: It spreads and now everyone run that comp
  It is common because it works

[whole salmon]

Some comps spreads slower than others. Sometimes people don’t have the level of investment for equip or lacking certain ships so they have their own variation

There’s also the case of Musashi back then where “muhh Musashi is so slow she won’t be meta” until blue gun Musashi tech spreads and everyone folded

[trail temple]

And it took a year or two before everyone used the same blue gun

[ocean gyro]

People don’t know how to beat it proceed to copy it to use attacker advantage to win
proceed to get nuked a billion times in a row by their jintsuu meta due to starting distances

[whole salmon]

“Change” is imposed more by simply losing

The whole Warkai Lion Royal Oak died immediately when people got walled by Nakhimov and Glorious

If people don’t lose constantly then they won’t see the need to change

Likewise if I am a low rank player and is slamming through weak fleets on a daily basis then there’s also no need for me to change

[whole salmon]

Also don’t take this as a diss to people who don’t follow the meta

I’m just commenting on how some comp can spread more than others

During the day there’s the Italian comp that everyone runs

Then there’s the weeb comp of Shinano NJ Hiryuu

Italian Mafia was more used overall since it can still perform well against weeb while requiring lower investment

Does it mean weeb is bad? No, it is still damn good and consistent

But if it doesn’t provide enough of a difference then people won’t change

Musashi as well. Before that was the NJ Vanguard Soyuz team, Musashi is certainly better but not that much better

So for like 1-2 years, people didn’t see the need to use Musashi at all

• Are Z52 or Lyme good ships? Yes.
• Is Mecklenburg a good ship? Also yes.
• Is Raffaelo a good ship? Definitely.
• Are Luna or Bois Belleau or Perseus good ships? Yes, they still counter Glorious or Nakhimov quite well
  But are people losing to them constantly? No

[summer bay]

This pink sugar guy is a sch-izo that’s needs to log off Azur Lane and take a break, pvp is fake in this game.

[broken spruce]

This is a pvp section, there's nothing wrong with him commenting about it here because this is the place for it.

[whole salmon]

Yeah it is just yap at the end of the day

But every now and then, you would see a “how is this player doing this?”

Or “I can’t beat this guy!”

Or “What’s the current meta so I can catch up?”

[summer bay]

Who said anything about him commenting or typing in this channel?
You dimwit.

[whole salmon]

It’s just natural behavior to feel frustrated at losing unless you are Serenity

So it can’t be helped

[summer bay]

I refuse to believe you are not AI Pink Sugar.

You’re not real 😔

[whole salmon]

Perhaps I am an AI

[summer bay]

The way you talk about PvP makes me feel unwell in real life, especially knowing that the PvP in this game is fake and only exists to get gold bullins.

I feel like you are crazy I’m I wrong?

[summer bay]

Like this whole message, even responding to yourself.

[whole salmon]

I’m not in it for gold bullins at this point

I’m good for like the next 3 years

I’m just doing it since I have been doing it for too long and it became a habit

This is like my last season so I’ll enjoy it while it lasts

[summer bay]

Again enjoy what?

Like wtf 😹

Enjoy seeing the machine fight each other, and waiting for RNG. CPU vs CPU

[whole salmon]

That’s the fun of it, it’s like gambling

[summer bay]

Im done.

Seek help.

[whole salmon]

You won’t know if your Eldridge gets 1 shotted at the beginning of the round

Pvp is just gambling upon gambling

Be it ship movement pattern or skill activation

Or targeting priority

[ocean gyro]

are we flexing merit collections now

[whole salmon]

It stopped being about merit long ago

I guess newer players or those going for fleet power still needs bullins

[ocean gyro]

imagine grinding fleet power

couldn't be me

everyone knows grinding out the entire skin collection is the real endgame

[summer bay]

Chill bro you hit Pink bum Sugar on the nose with that, he plays for theory crafting pvp “gameplay.”

[ocean gyro]

the true gameplay is gooning messing around with l2d skins

[summer bay]

I agree. Gameplay help Chanel is a joke too.

Game is just a collector skins and cards game.

[ocean gyro]

"hard" content when u pit it against 6x UR running rainbow gear

[whole salmon]

I’m one of those special people that buys skins but only use them in secretary home screen but doesn’t use them in combat

In other words I’m a weirdo

Unless like an entire fleet have good skins then I’ll use skins

[sturdy stirrup]

can u chill with the toxicity and bypassing the filter what the hejelly

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086672418832394/1446235802894991544/disgust.gif

[whole salmon]

If it is just 1-2 units then I’ll use the default

It sucks that a lot of Meta ships don’t have skins

[lusty hill]

Yorktown meta is Nakhimov killer :god:

[light crystal]

New Meta seems meta potential?

[placid frigate]

Let we wait the JP review lol

[whole salmon]

Yorktown Meta has concealment wipe huh

At this point I’ll take it

[worldly ore]

Eldridge was in the PvP meta like 7 years ago too

[knotty hazel]

concealment wipe in w15

[light crystal]

[lusty hill]

That's not pvp

[light crystal]

So she's not meta and i dont have to speedrun her then?

[worldly ore]

She'll probably be the third or fourth best carrier to use in pvp

[deft escarp]

Still dunking on that guy

Well he truly has achieved serenity though

[hexed verge]

Who the first second and maybe 3/4th

[worldly ore]

It's all debatable, but I'd say:

#1: Glorious Meta
#2: Admiral Nahkimov
#3: Yorktown Meta (maybe)
#4: Aquila/Chise

Hiryuu probably fifth

[hexed verge]

🙁 I do have hiryuu retrofit but the test nope

I don't have any of the really good ships for pvp

[worldly ore]

It's just a slow process to get everyone

Takes time if you missed their windows but they always come back

[hexed verge]

Impossible since you need dumb ur ships

[stable dawn]

everyone forgets about perseus

[hexed verge]

Who?

[worldly ore]

There's only one UR carrier in that list I made lol

[worldly ore]

She's okay, but she puts all her effort into her double preload which isn't really worth it

[stable dawn]

the point isn't to do damage
it's to guarantee a reveal so you can one-tap the enemy CV with warkai snipe lol

[broken spruce]

I'd say Rumey is arguably in par with Nakhi

[hexed verge]

I was told I need lion and the retrofit you can only get through the medal shop. Needs a capacitor to retro I think?

[worldly ore]

You're gonna be sad though if the enemy has no carriers

[worldly ore]

I haven't seen her much, but I'm not as scared of Rumey as Nakhi or Glorious

[stable dawn]

no carriers? Sounds like a free win anyway

[worldly ore]

Pretty much

[hexed verge]

My carrier is avp

Maxed out

(not max lvl)

[worldly ore]

She's not gonna do much unfortunately in pvp

[hexed verge]

Idk if I have good pvp ships

[hexed verge]

Here is my ship list

Only thing that's changed is I've been working on low tier retrofits

[broken spruce]

I've used Rumey since the Seydlitz meta came out and my GloriM has not leveled yet, she can pretty much balance the battle against Nakhi yet struggling against GloriM

[worldly ore]

GloriM is probably the best carrier so yeah

Rumey isn't terrible but she's just not best in slot for the main fleet
Main fleet is really competitive compared to the vanguard

[hexed verge]

Idk who that is 🙂

[worldly ore]

The vanguard is mostly just, build your vanguard to accommodate Laffey 2

[worldly ore]

Fritz Rumey

[hexed verge]

Yes that tells me so much lel

[worldly ore]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Fritz_Rumey

[hexed verge]

Ah a dommy mommy I saw before.

[inner mango]

Janus good in PvP lads?

[broken spruce]

No

[blazing orbit]

yes

paired with kashino hidden duo to destroy meta

[inner mango]

Anyone have the equipment for Janus and Kashino for PvP usage?

[blazing orbit]

0 gear for best performance

[broken spruce]

Tf

[blazing orbit]

this is real and true

[broken spruce]

Ur trolling

[blazing orbit]

look up kashino in this channel and you'll see many people agreeing

[worldly ore]

I tested out Perseus in PvP a bit now

She's decent, though doesn't seem too effective unfortunately
She's good at revealing CVs, but Admiral Naki usually just reconceals herself anyway

[stable dawn]

You need warkai to have pretty much suicidal levels of raw damage

and just crit her to death

no defenses, just DPS

[worldly ore]

Yeah I tried that, but most of the time Warspite couldn't even fire at admiral Naki since she'd been reconcealed

When she couldn't reconceal herself in time though, yeah Warspite ate her alive

[stable dawn]

have you tried a fatter gun on her

like 460

[worldly ore]

I'd be worried about not getting a salvo off with those

[stable dawn]

as is the case in every gimmick fleet

[trail temple]

With enough iterations, you can beat those commoner fleets

[deft escarp]

Would VH armor plate let Nakhimov survive that

[lusty hill]

azurely cooks

[trail temple]

You're cooked

[lusty hill]

I am cooked :mutsukiDark:

[velvet pulsar]

is there any ship that can reliably counter the absolute cancer yukikaze+eldridge+laffey II are in exercise? other than using the same vanguard yourself? (which i currently am tbf)

tried, shima, ibuki, z52, anchorrage, jintsuu meta. nothing works reliably

[upbeat ice]

From my experience, if you're not using your own Eldridge at the very least, your chances of winning against that vanguard matchup are almost zero.

"Almost zero" because there's always the possibility that you could get lucky and the enemy Eldridge could choose death. Then you have a fighting chance, at least before the Main Fleet gets involved.

[lusty hill]

I'd just give up if I were you

[hybrid agate]

blow em up with torpedoes and preloads, or easiest solution rn is GlorM/Nakhi with rocket hell

[stable dawn]

use yakuza

[velvet pulsar]

so there's no counter, got it lol, figured, but was hoping im missing something :)) (i am using that vanguard myself like i said already but it is still anoying as its rng if i fight that same vanguard)

im raising gloriousM right now, haven't bothered with her up to this point

[coral wren]

I have yet to get my Seydlitz up to speed (just skill levels, really) but she won't be ready for next season, realistically. Do I have a realistic shot at an AotN push without her?

Don't really need to end top 10, just wanna get the rank and then relax the last few days

[stable dawn]

you can get aotn with warkai and aquila lol

the main factor for failing aotn is just overcapping

you can always refresh off a hard fleet or not fight leftmost opponent

but if you randomly have 5 exercises go poof because you forgot, everything else is moot

[vale minnow]

Yeah

Kotori itsuka is a good substitute

[coral wren]

Yeah hahah obviously missing exercises is doomed, but I was looking through meta comps and Seydlitz surprised me

I have the resources to pump her up, just timegated by skill level training cause I didn't do it during the previous event, L

[vale minnow]

Infact

Kotori is a better alternative

[coral wren]

Didn't pull Date A Live sadly

[vale minnow]

Dang

[high quest]

Kotori is better than Sey?

[vale minnow]

According to me yes

[broken spruce]

So she's worth 125? (My Kotori still capped at 120)

[vale minnow]

Yeah if you intent to use her

[deft escarp]

She's not flat so no good

[lusty hill]

:ranchSexCalm:

[light crystal]

Is it time for Laffey III?

[stable dawn]

eos soon

[mortal aspen]

This can be fun. Maybe next JinM

[lusty hill]

she's more similar to eldrige than laffey II

she has the same invulnerability to vanguard just like eldrige but triggered on torpedo launch, which allow her to spam it using fast torpedoes

also she get reduced torpedo cooldown for every USS ship in vanguard making her arguably better than eldrige

[trail temple]

And she does 1000000% damage to Serenity

It's not a Serenity skill without this

[lusty hill]

you shouldn't be ironic in a serious channel

[unkempt vortex]

Are you even Serious

[stable dawn]

Janus is spreading misinformation.

[trail temple]

Yes he is, seriously spreading misinformation

[unkempt vortex]

No Shit

[trail temple]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-why-so-serious-serious-gif-11972349

[delicate owl]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/749898857567223848/1083306796317413406/laffey_misinformation.gif

[coral wren]

Lmao

What what? What? What?

[stable dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/macklemore-thrift-shop-fabulous-fab-coat-gif-3580049

[marsh sand]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/531474177027473409/1408275913937780776/WdDd5XU.gif

[deft escarp]

William Deporter

[placid frigate]

Trump policy lol

[trail temple]

She had $20 in her pocket

[fleet laurel]

For Glorious, better use +13 hellhvar, 2x +10 spearfish, or +13 sea hornet, +13 wyvern, +10 wyvern? Or should I mix the TB?

[mortal aspen]

I'm using baguettes

[vale minnow]

the 2nd choice i guess

not having +13 UR planes really puts a dent in your crash damage

[stiff sun]

Is there any benefit to doing exercises as soon as extra attempts are a available vs waiting a long as possible?

[vale minnow]

getting aotn early

[lusty hill]

The rushing strats

[shell raft]

Serenity strats

[trail temple]

^

[blazing orbit]

is my shit bugging or why is the pvp server nuked

[haughty cove]

Yeah, it's also empty on my end.

I can still see the channel contents, but not other channels.

[marsh sand]

[lusty hill]

We don't talk about the pvp server

:mutsukiCoin:

[trail temple]

It's not the fight club, Serenity

[sudden spoke]

Feels like it at times

[stable dawn]

[coral wren]

You need to be put down

[lusty hill]

[stiff sun]

First time at number 1. I know things fluctuate a lot, but this still feels like an accomplishment for me.

Lol. In the time I posted this, I'm already down to number 5.

[analog oxide]

it's cos exercise attempts just recovered lol, but great job

[stable dawn]

is that Lil E

[stiff sun]

yeah, I'm in Little E.

Are we all grouped in the same server? I wasn't sure if it got broken up more into sub groups.

[stable dawn]

ye, it's just by server

[stiff sun]

I'm surprised the top spots aren't the same people over and over again. Or maybe I'm just not paying close enough attention.

[long scarab]

you see the same fleets after awhile

esp if you dont have lion and have to pick non meta fleets

[stable dawn]

nah the top players always hold 5/10 until the very end of the season

so they're pretty much invisible to the average pvper

[marsh sand]

[regal pollen]

My first time as well fellow Lil E member 🤝

[gloomy sand]

[stiff sun]

I’ve definitely recognized a few compositions and ships that give me trouble.

[stiff sun]

If only we could team up.

[vale minnow]

This is my first time rank one too

[late heath]

#2 and #3 are still doing PvP

[lusty hill]

Congrats

Lexington 2 is Nakhimov killer

[light crystal]

how the mines, we screwed?

laffey 3?

[vale minnow]

we are fine

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[stable dawn]

new rule came out, datamined material can't be discussed on ALO anymore

[light crystal]

Yeah, less than half an hour ago. But why lol

[valid oxide]

Direct from manjuu so

[light crystal]

Make exception for glorious peeveepee channel pl0x

[delicate owl]

maybe because the dataminers are unofficialy accessing the game files

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/870151078098915368/1061138240117149716/sex_hackermans.gif

[stable dawn]

pvp is finally over

[light crystal]

It's been 8 years, odd to start caring now

Unless it's broad company policy change cuz of their new upcoming game

[long scarab]

ender said something has changed in cn

so who knows

[steel coral]

higher ups are trying to hide Lex II's true power

[valid oxide]

technically not even a policy change, they only just started enforcing it

[lusty hill]

How you know

[lusty hill]

Rip datamine

No more serenity evaluation

[mortal aspen]

Seems last jp stream party 🍻 was awful as they denied data⛏️ after that

[lusty hill]

very sad indeed

since serenity can't make evaluation of datamine anymore, people will have to actually test new ship for pvp

we lost a real one

[junior moss]

just need someone proclaiming they can see the future as their own skill, pretty easy

[lusty hill]

that's just misinformation

it's unwise to spread misinformation

[trail temple]

So that means you shouldn't be giving advice then

[mortal aspen]

First server rule of datamine club do not talk about datamine

[lusty hill]

They will ban anyone that spread and discuss datamine but let people who made stuff up and speculate runs free

[jade heart]

Its true power of being on the bench

[coral wren]

Dropped a game cause I didn't realize ships dying to dots leaves their chibis with arrows on the map, just with a grey healthbar

Guess that's my season, we'll get em next time

[late heath]

If you don’t die, you win

[lusty hill]

people die if they are killed

[prime igloo]

Holy shit I can get HVAR F6F now

[brazen socket]

Those who know about the legendary william d porter tech

https://tenor.com/view/indian-meme-indian-guy-indian-meme-tuff-gif-17449687295227939133

[lusty hill]

Wake me up when I can get skyraider

[lusty hill]

Tell me

[late heath]

If you know, then he don’t need to tell you

[trail temple]

We told you about the gspot fleet so you'd stop being bad, but you still couldn't find it

[blazing orbit]

i know it just send it to me so i can check if you're correct

[lusty hill]

Show g spot

[brazen socket]

What are your guys thoughts on lexy2

Lexy2 has a lot of self-survivability on her kit and anti-light

[vale minnow]

shes slow

[stable dawn]

mafia is better

[brazen socket]

Shes slow but surely a lot of her self survivability can make up for it?

Andnpribably damage

[vale minnow]

i have a feeling she will get nuked by some other cv before doing much

[lusty hill]

Glory m still better

[fleet laurel]

Is Royal Oak fleet less good now?

[blazing orbit]

has been

[lusty hill]

👴

[junior moss]

what did the DAL collab exactly bring to pvp?

[vale minnow]

Meta

[junior moss]

like equipement?

[vale minnow]

kinda
mostly ship

[junior moss]

kurumi?

[vale minnow]

kotori

[junior moss]

oh, for the burn reduction so as to counter lion?

[lusty hill]

Cooking?

[unkempt vortex]

More like a Sidegrade version of Seydlitz

also equipping the Onigiri Augment to your vanguard gives your Kotori and extra Barrage

[vale minnow]

kotori is better than seyd in my humble testing

[unkempt vortex]

Even better

Also a Diabolical Skin is needed for her to perform better 🥀

[late heath]

https://tenor.com/view/kotori-kotori-itsuka-itsuka-kotori-gif-23001779

[unkempt vortex]

||On my way to say Kotori Itsuka is a fine girl, but that skin is enough for me to say I have mixed feelings for it ||

[unkempt vortex]

Also nice Spirit Pledge Maid Kotori

[stable dawn]

her base skin is unironically better

[lusty hill]

very hot

I would bust until I'm dry

[unkempt vortex]

No, I'll kill you for that

[unkempt vortex]

Someone understands my mindset

[bright mauve]

Not a lolicon tho

[deft escarp]

@whole salmon How are the new ships looking like in PvP?

[inner mango]

Kotori good in pvp bed edition?

[lusty hill]

This is literally me

[unkempt vortex]

No.

[tranquil parrot]

First time coconut got the "Rear Admiral"

[dusty oak]

Pasta

[knotty hazel]

lambo

[nimble fox]

Well

It's a race to see who will put lexington 2 into the pvp fleet first

I think she might be a contender for nakhimov's spot

[marsh sand]

[lusty hill]

[stark ice]

[inner mango]

Incest is wincest

[shell raft]

I read the above comment before the name and just assumed Serenity posted it

[late heath]

[inner mango]

peak anime

[lusty hill]

Best anime

[junior moss]

[trail temple]

Probably cap it at 3

Bet

[sand linden]

So how did Lex II change the meta in both offensive and defensive side?

[marsh sand]

https://tenor.com/view/one-more-week-gif-10890118

[stiff sun]

Wait, we can buy the whole thing, right? Not just the blue prints?

[shell raft]

Yes because it's core shop not prototype shop

So you get the physical item

[stiff sun]

Nice.

[junior moss]

apparently its only 2 per account

[stiff sun]

Better than the zero I have right now!

[shell raft]

Facts

[trail temple]

She hasn't, give it a bit more time for people to max her out

[late heath]

She still isn’t as good as Kashino

[trail temple]

No one will be as meta as Kashino, except Kashinokai

[unkempt vortex]

Cowpens

[sand linden]

Ok , thk for answering

[ornate cosmos]

Minna..guys..question does lexi ii and willy d...could be a good use for pvp

[lusty hill]

No

[mortal aspen]

Cowpants 🐮

[coral wren]

Without a doubt the most unreal defense comp I've ever seen

brother absolutely hates doing researches

[marsh sand]

Based

[sand linden]

willy d no, but lexi ii seems a hope for offensive side in CN, defensive side still working

[junior moss]

how do you not dev even a single one of them😭

[bright mauve]

@steel coral what da

[raw turtle]

A Lv1 oath is very based.

[steel coral]

[trail temple]

I think some people do not appreciate the level NArd goes to for baseness

[ornate cosmos]

Thanks a looott

[light crystal]

Meta change?

[quick cradle]

When will Kaga BB returns?

[marsh sand]

Never

[junior moss]

every wishing well

[junior moss]

^

[coral wren]

Good life advice and good AL advice

A man to my heart

[vale minnow]

furanz

[spare venture]

Sounds good, does not work for me
Lost my motivation because of mail limits (from 1000 to 100 maximum unopened mails)

[placid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-gif-1246054594903804985

[keen silo]

@wanton mango

[wanton mango]

[stark ice]

eos soon

[junior moss]

uh, don't you delete the merit mainl when claiming it? takes just 1 second

[knotty hazel]

but 1 second is still a second

[marsh sand]

[coral wren]

Brother has a type

I respect it

[vale minnow]

Amagi player

[bright mauve]

Same

[high quest]

Least those are better than this one

[vale minnow]

"shitkikan"

[marsh sand]

[lusty hill]

Coomer

Keep yourself safe

[lusty hill]

Kid named I forgot to rush

[inner mango]

Meanwhile I rush Janus towards my bed and we do funny stuff

[stable dawn]

I rush towards eos

[unkempt vortex]

I rush to your mom

[placid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-say-what-mother-reaction-gif-18173031

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/what-you-talking-about-cute-adorable-wat-dog-gif-14770516

[lone fjord]

Bataan in last stand

[brazen socket]

Takes like 5 minutes to mass claim and mass delete mail

[kind blade]

I have a question, what if this skill hit an enemy with 100% eva chance like Eldridge with her 10s of jackpot?

[marsh sand]

New meta

Tier EX

[stable dawn]

holy shit 100% WR

[marsh sand]

[lusty hill]

Cooking?

[unkempt vortex]

The Evasion chance only works like an anti hit stat if I am right, so movement spd debuffs won't work I think

[steel coral]

Kurumi can stop the enemy vanguard even while Eldy's Operation Rainbow is active

[light crystal]

Collab diff.

[marsh sand]

[long scarab]

needs more red

[bright mauve]

Oh I ran into your brother the other day

[wicked surge]

Phoenix and Zara more orange ngl

[long scarab]

i use what i got cba to change it been like it forever

[wicked surge]

im a white warrick monarch main

[wicked surge]

OG monarch has most dark red hair

[long scarab]

yeah but i gotta flex one of the only skins i have on a ship i havent used in 5 years!!! /s

[wicked surge]

White warrick supremacy

[long scarab]

good skin

[lusty hill]

bboger cooks

hakuno cooks

[stable dawn]

shiburin cooks

[vale minnow]

i stop when either side's laffey procs
while also looking at backline hp

[high quest]

As a fellow Lil E player, can confirm defense fleet is just to show off skins

[vale minnow]

most people like to use glorious

and they also copy and paste the first option on the pvp sheet

[stiff sun]

Thus, players are recommended to ensure they are at 5/10 or fewer attempts before a reset, and 0/10 before a maintenance that stretches through two resets.
Did maintenance use to go through two resets often? Or is this a thing with like the JP or CN versions of the game?

[vale minnow]

no

but there are sometimes extended maints like a while back

where servers came up 3 mins before pvp reset

[stiff sun]

Oofta.

[stable dawn]

it's because some people sleep through maints lol

holy shit 100% WR

TEX

@sheet editors update pls

[marsh sand]

[analog oxide]

@vale minnow bit of a cope issue but who could I use instead of Lion if I have Lex and Kotori

[vale minnow]

who do you have

[analog oxide]

BB-wise? no one good really. probably not a good question ask actually. I'll just slot in Maryland or Monarch

[vale minnow]

and cv

[analog oxide]

CVs I have Enterprise, Independence retro, Cowpens, Saratoga, Origami

for vanguard I just threw in Tohka, Kurumi and Yamai twins (not sure if I should be using Helena or Roon)

[vale minnow]

wtf skyraider

[junior moss]

wait, was it always avgas over catapult?

[vale minnow]

ofc

[junior moss]

i kinda seldomly used cvs

funni how the meta comp is now 2 CV and 1BB

[vale minnow]

wait u until you find out kotori is a bb

[junior moss]

[analog oxide]

man Lion being OP in pvp pisses me off more

I'll just use Enterprise then instead

[vale minnow]

straight back to 2018

[analog oxide]

at least Kotori and Lex II are meta

would FdG work when I get her

[junior moss]

i mean,before we kinda had musashi being op for like 2 or a bit more years i think?

[analog oxide]

suffering from lack of a UR BB atm

[vale minnow]

fs4 fdg

[analog oxide]

over MonarchFs5 with augment?

[vale minnow]

Yes

[analog oxide]

that'll do for the time being then

I'm getting Laffey II soon too so vanguard gets an upgrade

[vale minnow]

wait youre in avrora 💀

good luck

[analog oxide]

lmao is it sweaty as shit

[stable dawn]

no, the avrorans all retired

[analog oxide]

yeah but im only a month into the game so

[stable dawn]

[analog oxide]

I might be far off entering leaderboard anyway haha

just got extremely lucky with Kotori and Lex being meta rn

at least I hit rear admiral this month

and I am working on Jintsuu meta too

Laffey II, Jintsuu Meta
Kotori, Lex II
doesn't seem too bad if I manage to get a decent BB and tank

[junior moss]

wait, was lyme in the vanguard always that high?

[vale minnow]

lyme stalls good

[vale minnow]

laffey is your tank

[analog oxide]

well I meant instead of Eldridge

since I don't have her

[vale minnow]

anchorage

[analog oxide]

oh true

I'd have her dev30 in a month maybe

it's just FdG will take me maybe 2 months to Fs4, maybe a little longer

[marsh sand]

[gloomy sand]

posting dock is always the better option here if you wanna ask away for fleet advice & investment (as of writing anyways)

[analog oxide]

my main focus is still on campaign and general progress, but I'll post it anyway

pvp is more of like a, it's nice to optimise and see how far I can go kinda thing

[vale minnow]

pvpers dont go to anywhere but hell

[marsh sand]

[analog oxide]

when do pvp ranks reset?

[vale minnow]

In 2 weeks

[analog oxide]

hm but my rank reset from last week

[vale minnow]

yes

this weekly reset was end of last season

[analog oxide]

oh I see, so it's every 2 weeks?

[vale minnow]

yes

[junior moss]

anyhow love this new meta, basically i will just need to swap lion weapon for pvp

before it was much worse having to switch much more around

[vale minnow]

Use mk4 lion

[junior moss]

anyhow what makes the washington naval treathy relatively good in pvp? won't you lose more since attaker gets the damage bonus?

[vale minnow]

You are the attacker

Wnt just cucks EVERYONE’S damage and gives more Eva for the holder

[gloomy sand]

additive, so your side still has the advantage

[junior moss]

oh, thought it was multiplicative, good

[delicate owl]

how to beat this? i need to so that i can eos

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1007978980340670536/1347388160350359622/BaldSex_Boom.gif

[hybrid agate]

mirror it but with proper main fleet position, should work fine

get better Eldridge rng

[steel meadow]

True

[hybrid agate]

🚀

[knotty hazel]

e

[marsh sand]

Why not?

[kind blade]

I think Riot helped Manju build LexII's moveset. 200 years experience of balancing there characters.

[kind blade]

If i had LexII this would be my build, missiles brrrrrrr.

Don't ask me why there's a Germany plane, i'm out of fighter with missiles.

[knotty hazel]

damn

[junior moss]

is pearl tears out of meta now? or does somebody in the meta fleet wants it?

[marsh sand]

Eldy

[junior moss]

idk who between kurumi and eldi dies first

since i kinda wanted to test her guess i'll see

anyhow why nobody seems to consider VH plate?

[stable dawn]

the extra HP doesn't give as much eHP as raw evasion stacking

[junior moss]

but the heavy armor should help in countering the light focused damage no?

[stable dawn]

crash damage exists

and in this meta, 99% of your damage comes from Lion anyway

who does a special burn that doesn't follow normal HE damage logic

because balanced

if you're running lex2 top, she has so many invulns it's not even worth building defenses

just stack damage

so you can kill the enemy before they can kill you

[junior moss]

woudn't lion top be better?

[stable dawn]

no because she'll still die to CVs long before lex2 does

due to crash damage

[limpid beacon]

Is Lion Middle bad?

[gloomy sand]

Flagship has higher chance to be chunked by the torps & AP shelling. Hence the ships with invulns in this meta are placed here

Lion bottom is the safer spot overall, flagship is a dangerous spot to be after all

[limpid beacon]

So Kotori is Good middle?

[vale minnow]

Yes

[marsh sand]

[knotty hazel]

dang

multiple pvp experts

[inner mango]

Does a fleet consist of Musashi/Soyuz/Alsace JintM/Laff2/Eldy work for currect pvp meta lads?

[marsh sand]

[lusty hill]

Yes if you were playing against meta from 5 years ago

[fickle echo]

https://youtu.be/IcuLq5SyMQk

[stable dawn]

<@&472236072743600148> looks like someone got hacked

[marsh sand]

[fervent patio]

I haven’t played pvp in a while. What’s the state of the meta rn? Who should I be using?

[vale minnow]

It’s pinned in the spreadsheet

[fervent patio]

Thanks

So what I’m getting from this is I’m going to have to wait until Lion reruns if I want to stand a chance in high elo pvp

[vale minnow]

Most likely yes

You can use other fleets but expect to reset fights mkre

[stiff sun]

What makes Glorious M so good for PVP? Her red skill?

[vale minnow]

not quite

it is the yellow skill that makes her exceptional
TLDR the more you get shot at the better glorm gets
get to 20 marks, which you probably will, glorm launches two airstrikes

get to 30 and she gets concealed again

but all of that doesnt matter because lexington2 just destroyed the meta

[stiff sun]

Yeah, I saw that on the spreadsheet. I have Glorious M at 120, but have not invested into Lex2 yet. So I figure I might be able to use Glorious for the time being.

Except, I don't have her yellow skill leveled.

[vale minnow]

bricked

[junior moss]

lex 2 is basically good only for pvp and light bossing right?

like her overall usability is not great as hakuhou?

[vale minnow]

hakuhou is more niche

tbh

[junior moss]

idk, imo hakuhou feels better overall, she got campaign usability and can go into amagi impla for big damage vs med and heavy armor

[vale minnow]

what makes lex not have campaign usability?

[junior moss]

her kit is basically too binded to using EU ships

like 2 of her skills really want essex class/EU ships

[vale minnow]

shes still good in campaign
ive used hakuhou a whopping 1 or two times in her lifespan, for 14-4h clear and that one time in arbiter

and thats because i didnt have meck raised

[stiff sun]

hakuhou is more niche
tbh
I maxxed Hakuhou not too long ago. 😭

[vale minnow]

arent you a noob

it wont matter for you

[stiff sun]

Yeah.

[brazen socket]

I knew she had potential

[brazen socket]

is kotori a must, can seydlitz slot in

i skipped date a live lol

okay nevermind i can see why kotori cant be subbed

[vale minnow]

expect to have to reset more

[brazen socket]

10s invuln and burn reduction

[vale minnow]

she also does a lot more damage

[brazen socket]

so basically

pvp meta is now full on stall and nuke

so we are expecting 1 minute matches

[high quest]

Do the burn reduction even work against Lion? Thought that was a special dot not coded as a "burn"

[brazen socket]

her augment also allows kotori to recover her health

alright man

just bricked my account by skipping 2 collabs smh

[vale minnow]

no clue tbh

just use seyd

and dodge meta fleets

[high quest]

My cursed ass fleet setup works on everything minus the Meta fleet setups somehow

[ornate cosmos]

Does our pvp meta didnt change this new yr ehe

[vale minnow]

the meta changed with lexington 2

[blazing orbit]

the meta changed so much in the past year 😭

[stable dawn]

ehe te nandayo

[lusty hill]

All action have consequences

[high quest]

With not having Lion or GlorM, what would be best backline i could run? for vg just gonna run Standard until i can get Yuki. ive got sey, kotori, WarKai, and Lex2 (shes gonna be a min before MLB tho) NJ and Sashi as my notable ones off the list. I could retro Hiryuu if its worth

[fickle echo]

You could run Kotori, Warkai and a CV with preload like Aquila or Perseus and hope your Warkai kills GlorM before she hides herself again

[lusty hill]

Eunha cooks

[high quest]

Right now im running sey NJ warkai as backline and it works bout 75% of time against anything other than top end meta setups. JintM is working on 125 while I wait for laff rerun in couple weeks

[late heath]

Kashino

[junior moss]

[lavish karma]

[stable dawn]

[marsh sand]

[ornate cosmos]

May i know how..does lexi ii replace nahkimeow?

[inner mango]

🇺🇸

[vale minnow]

she has invuln

read her blue skill

[lusty hill]

Manjuu on Lexington

[ornate cosmos]

So if i change my backline. It would be lexi ii..lion and seyd?

And frontline still laff ii..jintM and eldrige

[blazing orbit]

just look at the spreadsheet man

[lavish karma]

-# imagine reading

[blazing orbit]

lexi ii lion kotori (or seyd)

laffii + eld + jintM/yukikaze/lyme

[gloomy sand]

smartest pinoy

[blazing orbit]

if you cant read the spreadsheet then you probably also need to be spoonfed gear

[keen silo]

kotori >> seyd for sure

[junior moss]

seyd has recived no augment yet right?

[keen silo]

doesn’t matter

kotori is just better

[junior moss]

idk, if and when seyd gets her augment i think we will need to see what it does

[keen silo]

i mean u say idk but i know kotori’s much better

[lusty hill]

You're inhaling too much copium

Event ship don't get augment

Only non event ship do

[marsh sand]

[stable dawn]

by that logic we should get shinano augment first

[late heath]

Shinano’s milk bottle

[junior moss]

shinano dreamy cushion

[lusty hill]

<@&472236072743600148> kid named someone is scamming

[lusty hill]

Shinano is event ship she won't be getting any augment

[stable dawn]

that guy proposed event ships getting augments, I just followed his logic

read more

[late heath]

Kotori is an event ship, and she has augment

[lusty hill]

She doesn't count

[steel coral]

tempesta

[lusty hill]

It doesn't count too

[neat atlas]

Henrich recently got an augment and she was an event ship, one that released after Shinano in fact

Serenity's incompetence truly knows no bounds

[ornate cosmos]

Thanks sir ehe sorry for i being lazy ehe

[stable dawn]

ehe?

[inner mango]

[junior moss]

food

[knotty hazel]

pheebo

[brittle prawn]

Where can i read it??

[broken spruce]

Pinned message in this channel

There's a link for it

[brittle prawn]

The nearest 1 or which??!!

[broken spruce]

The PvP Guide spreadsheet

[mortal aspen]

#pvp message

[brittle prawn]

Tenkyuuuuu

[marsh sand]

[shell raft]

From a quick glance, not even a fully compiled list;
Prinz Heinrich, Peter Strasser, Washington, Massachusetts, Formidable, Shangri-La, Tirpitz
Are all event ships that have augments, thus there is no reason that Shinano/Seydlitz/other would be excluded from receiving one in the future.

Stop spreading misinformation kid L

[void zealot]

sure owned him bud!

[vale minnow]

while we are at it, lets hang him

[unkempt vortex]

[trail temple]

Too much effort for someone regarded as the channel's clown. We know 99% of what he says is rubbish (the 1% is because he parrots what's on the spreadsheet)

[stable dawn]

why would we hang out with serenity wtf

[shrewd yacht]

Who is this Serenity? and why is it associated with a Shimakaze Emote with White Eyes?

[trail temple]

No eyes*

[unkempt vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/does-he-know-gif-17552966235424643644

[unkempt vortex]

The fact that Rena describes Serenity as "it" baffles me to laughter

[kind blade]

I found this Warlord while i was exercising and they're not even on top 10.
How people get so good at this game. ;-;

[broken spruce]

It's just them overcapping so much that their points aren't enough to be >1000th rank

So ranks are pretty much not a measure

[stable dawn]

bismarck in 2025

[heavy frost]

everythings all good and dandy until someone pulls out max level jintsuu meta with lion and reduces ur vanguard to atoms

[stiff sun]

That's rough buddy. But I've also been there.

[heavy frost]

learned the hard way almost a year ago

[unkempt vortex]

pvp being impacted the hardest per new ship despite being the mode that is neglected since release

[stable dawn]

jintsuu meta isn't even great anymore
yuki is simply better

[unkempt vortex]

Lyme tho

🍑

[stable dawn]

[prime igloo]

Yuki is just so tanky lol

[unkempt vortex]

Augment says everything that Eldridge dies first before her

[heavy frost]

thats diabolical

[soft echo]

Is the google doc in pin still being updated

also did the collab event really give a T0 bb that ruins everything

[gloomy sand]

Yes and yes

Fortunately the Seyd option should still work. But with less WR & pressure, which is a shame

[soft echo]

fuck, I didn’t do the collab or the IJN UR

I was taking a break for my wallet sake

then i see the IJN UR CV has fucking 5 torp bombers at 155%

[gloomy sand]

Hakuhou was underwhelming. And the other UR there was I-404, a submarine

Lex2 still obtainable for you

[soft echo]

I got her yeah

[gloomy sand]

in the context of this channel

tbf you can just run Shinano AmagiCV + Hakuryuu/Implacable and you'll still be fine. Not like we get updates for PvE content outside of the rotating METAs every 3 months

[soft echo]

It’s not like my fleet can really get much better at this point, for pve

So seydlits can swap for Kotori?

[gloomy sand]

Yeah. Next best option at this point

[soft echo]

I’m still using Alsace/Soyuz/Mush//EldKai/Laf2/Z52

[stable dawn]

drop z52 for yuki

[trail temple]

Oh, missing Lion too?

[marsh sand]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183837091851948102/1374602796950622208/lion_rawr_smaller.gif

[lusty hill]

abernite cooks

[heavy frost]

the one ship i missed out on which is sad

genuinely so good for anti vanguard

[blazing orbit]

anti hp

[trail temple]

Nah

[light crystal]

Han

[stable dawn]

if you gear her correctly, sure

[wicked surge]

Lmao Lionless gaming in 2026

[soft echo]

I have lion

[wicked surge]

Shes more important then the rest of the fleet

[stable dawn]

:v
why use lion she always part of commoner fleet make your own is better for merit lah

[unkempt vortex]

If merit farming is what you want, then probably just go for a fleet that just do mostly damage like Vanguard Torpmemes in the pinned document, but its good until Actual Current Meta Fleets,

If actually playing pvp seriously, then follow the pinned document

[late heath]

if playing pvp even more seriously, wake up at 1 AM to run exercises

[trail temple]

I thought it was also dming your list saying: "Hi, do you have any PvP attempts left, lel?"

[light crystal]

Surely we're all ready for a possible lv 130 cap increase.

[trail temple]

I sure am

https://tenor.com/view/valheim-robe-gang-robe-uninstall-uninstall-gif-21384988

[inner mango]

All I use is mafia but still beats all lion fleets I'm up against

[trail temple]

:v
You mean commoner fleets lah

[inner mango]

[unkempt vortex]

Cog Arrays are gonna Cry

[worldly ore]

There would probably be new items to level break after 125

[late heath]

Cogs array: when they cry

[stable dawn]

green cog chips soon

[marsh sand]

💸 this green

5usd per 130 ships

PvP finally for whale as if it was never b4

[lusty hill]

https://tenor.com/view/no-money-wallet-empty-cashless-gif-16030892

[knotty hazel]

sub pvp

[light crystal]

[light crystal]

[shell raft]

[junior moss]

me doesn't understand

[frozen stream]

me who just check the pvp pinned excel
3 LexiII in a team???? does that even possible

[broken spruce]

Nah, just for the meme

[junior moss]

hacker always wins so thats accurate info

[gloomy sand]

fat bitches fighting over food

[lusty hill]

Guys I just got her from drop, is she any good for pvp?

[late heath]

Not as good as Kashino

[worldly ore]

No

[wicked surge]

The court jesters got the drop ship first

[jade heart]

Truly a tragedy

Of all people serenity

[stark ice]

Aoste, are you alive?