pvp

[junior trench]

Didn't get the extra luck from PR4...

https://tenor.com/view/shame-bell-game-of-thrones-walk-of-atonement-cersei-lannister-gif-16635977892557113898

[vale minnow]

[coral wren]

Ran into a fleet that subbed jintsuu for juneau in a hiryuu/lion/glorM fleet, was surprisingly resistant.

Tried it myself for two refreshes and it was actually really consistent?

[gloomy sand]

[coral wren]

Oh I didn't realize that people knew that already

I just haven't seen anyone talk about that, I thought juneau clawed her way back into the meta or something

[coral wren]

No I don't 😦

[vale minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/does-he-know-gif-17552966235424643644

[coral wren]

Yeah I didn't know that I was late to the party mb

[gloomy sand]

issok Hayate10516

[abstract cypress]

claasic 1 fleet meta and others are obsolete

[gloomy sand]

[ornate cosmos]

Is nahkimeow good to great for pvp

[hybrid agate]

She's on T0 right now, so she's great

check pins

[ornate cosmos]

Interesting

[stark ice]

@light crystal are you dead this season?

[coral wren]

How do you call the admins again?

<@&460646206851252224>

[upper saddle]

/kick 522948443270938635 Scam

[orchid musk]

/kick 522948443270938635 hacked account.

[chilly osprey]

takacchi22#0 got kicked. Reason: Scam

takacchi22#0 got kicked. Reason: hacked account.

[coral wren]

Thank you!

[gloomy sand]

https://tenor.com/view/oheb-blacklistint-eckalats-gif-23552495

[knotty hazel]

poor guy striked 2 times

[stark ice]

[long scarab]

<@&460646206851252224>

[pale cradle]

Someone can help me for create a pvp fleet and improve my gears?

[frigid prism]

Who do u have

Cause pvp is fully meta

Need lion and laffey

[pale cradle]

Im missed laffey.

[frigid prism]

There's eldridge

Retrofit

[pale cradle]

No :(

But gonna have the rerun.

Im using this.

[frigid prism]

No eldridge? She's not limited

U can get from merit shop for 20000

[pale cradle]

Yeah, but isn't retrofited.

[frigid prism]

Ah

No retrofit item

U will have to use the old pvp

[frigid prism]

Do u have shimkaze?

[pale cradle]

Not

[frigid prism]

[pale cradle]

My vanguard units:

[frigid prism]

Bayard?

Oh

[foggy whale]

You could try Ibuki in place of Shimakaze if she has FS5 and augment

[pale cradle]

Yeah, she have it.

[frigid prism]

Ibuki

Augment

[foggy whale]

And work on getting Seydlitz from the war archives

[frigid prism]

Prob replace NJ with seydlitz

[finite fog]

retrofit item rerun soon

[pale cradle]

I don't have that ship, but if i can get it now, i'll take her.

[frigid prism]

I think as long as u can get 100% win rate u can easily get like top 50

So just fight the weakest of the four

I dont think people are that committed to pvp

[pale cradle]

Also this is my main ships.

[frigid prism]

I like warspite if you have her augment

[foggy whale]

They added her to War Archives a couple patches ago

[pale cradle]

I have.

[frigid prism]

I dont use the meta eldridge and coward seydlitz

Also i missed 5 wins

Cause of maint

Accidentally store 5/10 then maint hits and 12 pm hits

Once in a while I see my team about to lose to the green cat team

Just need to pay attention and exit out of battle and do it again

Pvp is rng auto after all

[pale cradle]

So i changed my team for Lion, Musashi, Warsprite? Anchorage, jitsuu meta, Ibuki?

[frigid prism]

Anchorage is good

[pale cradle]

Im sorry for the mistake.

[frigid prism]

U dont need gold gears that I use

U can use boiler

And there's a pvp guide in pins for gear and best teams

[gloomy sand]

I assume you don't need help now?

anyways, get Seyd lol. Opens up options for fleets as of this meta

[pale cradle]

Okay, i gonna see the gears after that.

[gloomy sand]

Nakhimov as well

2 bb 1 cv meta is back

As a counter for Warspite, with Seyd as the key

[pale cradle]

[stable dawn]

the pvp guide is a psyop, use mafia

[knotty hazel]

hows essexkai in pvp

[nimble fox]

DoT<raw damage output

[knotty hazel]

fair...

[valid oxide]

no conceal reset so dont bother

[foggy whale]

Her preload airstrike gets shot down instantly too

[inner mango]

How to use Yamato on pvp?

[turbid wyvern]

Bro How many points are reduced by a rank difference like this?

[vale minnow]

What’s their current score?
It may either be a -1 or -2

I’m learning toward -2

[turbid wyvern]

Like this

[vale minnow]

Pretty sure it’s a -2

[turbid wyvern]

[vale minnow]

Maybe don’t rush it yet

[turbid wyvern]

Scheiße my refresher gone

[turbid wyvern]

Hmmm i think is pretty impposible to avoid minus points, there won't be enough time to reset the refresher and i'm sure they won't be strong enough to even make it into the top 50

[finite fog]

[hybrid agate]

get 2200 aotn and call it a day

[stable dawn]

free food

[jade heart]

Tubby

typical PVP player

[stable dawn]

[hidden robin]

didn't know why Glorious META comp dealt so much damage until I tried to read more meticulously again and found out about her damn dmg reflect.
Just jesus christ, attacker comp already suffer heavily from Jintsuu + Shima.

[gloomy sand]

[knotty hazel]

better than nothing

[inner mango]

Glorious META that good lads?

[grave urchin]

First time reaching this rank, I am tired of This Laffey II , ELDRIDGE RETRO ANG JINTSUU META DEFENDERS

[valid oxide]

sounds like a skill issue born from using double preload

[grave urchin]

Will enjoy the 9th rank for as long as I can before I will get butchered next reset at 9am

[steel coral]

her dmg reflect is only 5% so if your entire vanguard dies, one of their vanguard ships will lose ~15% of their hp
the reason she does so much dmg is because she gains a second airstrike which quite literally doubles her damage

[finite fog]

[gloomy sand]

I do see why he kind of suffering rn

but alas

@grave urchin Congratulations

[winged depot]

[knotty hazel]

🤣 actually im one of them

[fickle echo]

https://youtu.be/OoXd8ftvyVo

https://youtu.be/Cqde23zpCG0

[trail temple]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/870151078098915368/1214067773169336410/1708003368925036.gif

[meager oak]

is Sandy full of tryhards or smth?

[vale minnow]

sandy is top pvp fr

[trail temple]

For PvP, Sandy and tryhards, definitely not the most mutually exclusive terms I have heard put together

[meager oak]

Oh then it'll be easy to sandbag here huh

[stable dawn]

[worldly ore]

Not good?

[vale minnow]

just do lexy

[knotty hazel]

hiryuu + enty speedrun...

[fickle echo]

I didn't use her as top because keeping Lion alive increases the winrate more than keeping her and I didn't use rockets because without double airstrike or a slow she just misses the vanguard and does no damage, the best thing she can do is some damage to the main fleet and hopefully reveal the enemy CV with the barrages/intercept around the time Lion is firing

[worldly ore]

Ah. I tried testing her out against the t0 fleets, and she's not too terrible. But still underwhelming

She usually gets MVP for damage, but not by much, and she doesn't contribute much else besides damage

Feels very glass canon-y too

[gray belfry]

clearly the solution is to activate her blue skill

[frigid knot]

Just wondering. Is this CV lineup has pre-load strike?

[fickle echo]

Momo is here

[frigid knot]

Hello. Just wondering bout certain guy's def

Smh break all rules..lmao

I hv many questions to ask.

[fickle echo]

Both CVs have plane barrages so maybe it's that

[frigid knot]

Barrage? 0s after battle started?

Like Acquila/Unicorn retrofit/Perseus/Chise?

[fickle echo]

Glorious's barrage triggers as soon as there's enough stacks

[frigid knot]

OK, that might be. But how Glorius META can set her detection gauge to 0 5s after battle?

[fickle echo]

It's a special airstrike, not a preload

[fickle echo]

More stacks

[frigid knot]

But need 15s for another stack load? Not 5s?

30stack is the need to 0 gauge?

By 5s isn't the gauge stack arround 20?

[fickle echo]

It's based on damage, not on time

[fickle echo]

It's 5 stacks, not 5 seconds

The gauge needs 30 stacks

[whole salmon]

Essentially the more damage the frontline and Glorious Meta takes, the quicker the stacks are generated

And with the meta currently using Lion’s burn, getting stacks is done relatively quickly

Glorious Meta and Nakhimov are used not only because of their damage but also their ability to reset detection

[frigid knot]

My confusion is, as this is what I got, their Eld activate skills, nullify all vanguard dmg for 10s. And the HP glorious METa remains 100%. How it gets stack?

[whole salmon]

They get stacks really quickly

Like, really really quick

After 10 second invul is over, Lion flame activates again and Glorious pretty much get max stacks before she launches her airstrike

[frigid knot]

I notice this from mark on their glorious META. But suddenly 20 to 30? How?

[whole salmon]

It is essentially 3 stacks per second and it only takes 10 seconds for max stacks

[frigid knot]

My probs is on 5s after battle started.

I did mentioned.

[whole salmon]

Their is marks on frontline too

All 3 frontline ships

All it needs is a few seconds for max stacks to be reached

[frigid knot]

5s is still on Eld vulnurable, no dmg, no stk?

[whole salmon]

Summons

[frigid knot]

Yet still raise stk?

[whole salmon]

10 stacks in 2 seconds is definitely possible

[frigid knot]

What about 30 in 5s?

[whole salmon]

You mention special airstrike no?

That only requires 10 stacks

30 stacks is for resetting detection, that doesn’t matter in the first 5 seconds since you can’t spot them anyways

[frigid knot]

We can. 1hit kill with warspite.

[whole salmon]

So did you spot her or did you not

You used preload CV to reveal?

[frigid knot]

Spot. With perseus

[whole salmon]

Those 10 planes of Perseus provides more than enough stacks

[frigid knot]

Then my issue, their Glory meta reset detection gauge after spotted? So my WS can't hit. My question is how.

[whole salmon]

Perseus spotted her but it also causes her to get stacks

Plane crash damage generates stacks

Perseus has like 6 plane per airstrike, double preload so 12 planes total. Not to mention barrage planes as well

Then the bombs and plane torp

That’s plenty of stacks to be generated

[frigid knot]

Did you read my earlier messages? Their Glorious META remained 100% HP

[fickle echo]

Revealing her isn't enough, you need to kill her in 1 hit otherwise the damage you did will just give her more stacks

[whole salmon]

Yes, because she heals

[frigid knot]

No heal.

[whole salmon]

She has her own heal

[frigid knot]

Ik, but her skill isnt activate by 5s

[frigid knot]

Nah, so far..when facing such lineup, I deal with Percy and WS. Most of time no issue.

But...

[whole salmon]

Not to mention the crash damage on intercepting Wyverns

Also generates stacks for Glorious

If you are running Perseus, trying switching off of Wyvern and onto Spearfish

Spearfish has similar damage but no intercept, it doesn’t generate stacks for Glorious

That’s one way to counter her if you want to fight CV vs CV

It worked on Nakhimov vs Glorious scenario as well

[frigid knot]

I have no issue with this CV def lineup.

But how this diferent from others?

[whole salmon]

It isn’t? It’s the same

There’s plenty of Glorious comps on Lexington

[frigid knot]

You did say, 10 percy planes enough to spot her.

But I ran like 20 times, only 2 times can spotted her.

[knotty hazel]

gloM moment

[whole salmon]

A Glorious Hiryuu still functions similarly to Glorious Seydlitz against most comps tho

Or a Glorious Dead Master

There’s plenty of mix up of Glorious comps on Lex

[knotty hazel]

but the vg jintsuu meta...

[whole salmon]

Everyone runs the same damn Vanguard

[frigid knot]

RIP jintsu Meta. It s time for Bayard

[knotty hazel]

i dont

[whole salmon]

You could maybe say Hiryuu provides more AA than Seydlitz

In which case you might have spotted the Hiryuu

Instead of the Glorious

[knotty hazel]

idk how jintsuu meta works but it seems to be very powerful

always seen her in laffey 2 + eld comp

[frigid knot]

Those lineup is everywhere. Not a real issue as in the end, Laffey vs Laffey

[knotty hazel]

true

funny sometimes backline vs laffey 2 🤣

[whole salmon]

Most backline would lose to a decent HP laffey

[knotty hazel]

immortal + elite manjuu control

[whole salmon]

Laffey might be able to 1 vs 2 or 1 vs 3 in some cases

[frigid knot]

For def it works, for attker it worst

[whole salmon]

Keeping Laffey alive is more important than keeping backline alive

[knotty hazel]

true..

[whole salmon]

Since a close Laffey vs Laffey fight would cause most people to reset the match

Even if they might win, they wouldn’t risk it

[knotty hazel]

real

[frigid knot]

Lmao my 50% HP laffey took manjuu activated first fighting depleted HP Laffey.

[knotty hazel]

damn

rng failure

[frigid knot]

Broken mechanic. Was 1v1

[whole salmon]

Like there was a match where

My Glorious was alive, my Seydlitz was alive, and my Lion was alive

All 3 at like 10-15% HP

And a 50% HP Laffey against a 30% HP Laffey

I was like “this would be easy”

[knotty hazel]

lmao

[whole salmon]

Looked away for 8 seconds and my entire backline is dead

[frigid knot]

Burn

[knotty hazel]

u wouldnt even want to underestimate ur enemy

💀

[frigid knot]

Magic skill

[knotty hazel]

imagine all her shipgirl equipment +13..

[frigid knot]

Why not +13?

[knotty hazel]

huh

[whole salmon]

I have +13 all as well

[knotty hazel]

oh damn

[whole salmon]

And I wouldn’t even want to risk it

[frigid knot]

Put all available UR gear.

[whole salmon]

Sometimes things happen

[frigid knot]

But manjuu

[knotty hazel]

lol

rngesus

[whole salmon]

I remember CN even posted a vid about

An FDG Lion Seydlitz winning a 3 vs 6

Ofc enemy have slightly weaker gear

But the fact that RNG allowed for a 3 vs 6 is mbruh

[knotty hazel]

fdg...

[whole salmon]

Don’t mind Taiwan’s Fate 4 FDG tech

Keeping FDG at Fate 4 so that FDG doesn’t have targeting, allowing her to hit concealed CVs

This is up there with skill level 1 Anchorage and unretrofit Juneau in terms of mbruh tech

[knotty hazel]

conclusion of the day:

[frigid knot]

Phew. Finally..30+ runs. Suddenly Easy win?? Really got no idea.
6W24L

[fickle echo]

[frigid knot]

Funny mechanic.

[knotty hazel]

30 runs are u kidding

isnt the max u can store 10...

[whole salmon]

So Momo’s weakness is Hiryuu

[knotty hazel]

wait

hiryuu

[whole salmon]

I’ll put Hiryuu back in for defense

[knotty hazel]

[frigid knot]

Nope. U can try as many as u want with no limit.

[frigid knot]

Hiryuu? Say hi to WS

[knotty hazel]

ohhh

u mean abt retry on the same opponent?

[frigid knot]

Yes. See of your lineup works good or just win by rng. Regardless win or lose.

[gloomy sand]

[void zealot]

<@&472236072743600148>

[weak temple]

/mute 353475290594541568

[chilly osprey]

nmate#0 got muted.

[knotty hazel]

dead master + hiryuu kai + enty

[valid oxide]

No lion = deadge

[knotty hazel]

preload barrage spam

[void zealot]

no lion = deadge

[fickle echo]

Good luck using Enty when Lion's burn ignores evasion

[knotty hazel]

by placing enty upmost position

[fickle echo]

And wait 20s to do any damage when all the enemy ships are 100% sure to aim at your vanguard? Eldridge's skill won't be enough to protect them

[trail temple]

https://tenor.com/view/seseren-essex-azur-lane-gif-27680233

[steel coral]

Tried 3cv with essex and then swapped one of them for lion and it instantly felt so much better

[stable dawn]

give us Lion (CV)

[lavish karma]

in before Yamato (CV)

[mortal aspen]

I think easiest solution for countermeasure vs Lion is preload cv with hot (heal over time). 2% max hp in 6-8 sec... why not?

[void zealot]

can't wait to see your results!

go ahead!

[inner mango]

The only meta on pvp is Kashino

100% winrate against all

[marsh sand]

[stable dawn]

2% max HP isn't enough. You need something that can straight up heal 2000 HP per second to counteract her insane burn tick.

[valid oxide]

2k hp per 3 seconds

[hybrid agate]

[sterile knot]

Anyone got the optimal gear for Slander laid out that I can copy? Just need to update my pvp fleet, still running GoT lol

[hybrid agate]

you can copy the optimal gear on the pinned doc

it is an easy copy as it gets

[jade heart]

where can i get this emote i need it

[jade heart]

Listen here

[vale minnow]

[lusty hill]

The lion doesn't concern with CV

[marsh sand]

[coarse lance]

The Lion kills the small CV when it launches its planes

[whole salmon]

There’s some bug fixes (?) that may or may not impact the game

Firstly is that they debugged Rudder

Before when Rudder’s invul comes into contact with another invul, it becomes funky

Such as Rudder Enterprise with Lucky E proc

It would cause invul to end early

Now the bug has been fixed and the invul would last the full duration

[whole salmon]

Bug 2 is a bit more mbruh to use

So just keep it in mind, it may not be useful

Apparently when stacking Fairy Poster and HP shield Towel on a low level (level 1) Russian ship causes some mbruh things to happen and somehow your ships become invul for like 15 seconds

Idk how it works, it just does

[whole salmon]

Oh and the rudder’s ability doesn’t transfer to Laffey’s summons

Dunno if it is a bug or not but thank god it doesn’t

[valid oxide]

so lv1 stremitelny is meta trust

[supple halo]

oh man, no wonder I'm getting wrecked

I am still running Warspite Lion Royal Oak

Yay carriers are back though

Is the Spearfish really the best equip on the carriers for PVP? Over the Wyvern?

Also Hit matters for CVs?

[trail temple]

Hit is relevant (except for end of screen)

Wyverns still work, just results in you getting spotted quicker

[stable dawn]

wyverns are also way slower so in a mirror you might get pummeled

[languid plank]

quick 2 question do i equip her 2x angel feather or do i go with angel feather + fairy magic/catapult?
2nd question . what augment?

[foggy whale]

Aviation gasoline

Scepter augment

[languid plank]

and seylidtz is sword?

[foggy whale]

Yes

[languid plank]

ty

[junior trench]

<@&472236072743600148> get him boys

Maybe sooner rather than later so no one gets scammed?

[junior trench]

Thanks Mods

[knotty hazel]

later

[stable dawn]

[stark ice]

:kekeWhere:

[normal pawn]

@candid sluice hi, i run the ectl site. we're (our team of contributors) not pvp players but we have a (pretty outdated now) pvp section on the site that was written by azur lane meta who i dont think is interested in maintaining it anymore. would you be okay with us featuring your sheet and referring people to it?

[lusty hill]

:god:

[normal pawn]

what does base scr and min diff refer to here?

[finite fog]

base amount of points you get and minimum score difference to the person you're attacking to get a bonus point(s)

[vale minnow]

r100 lore

[finite fog]

min diff for captain and above is wrong/estimates though

[versed geyser]

Yeah in Azur lane point difference increases incrementally per bonus point, so above Rear Admiral to get 11 points need +35 point difference, to get 12 points you need +35+36 point difference, to get 13 points you need +35+36+37 point difference

At captain should be +14/+14+28/+14+28+29 for 1/2/3 bonus point difference (for +1 the incremental increase doesn’t start at 0 points, probably -13 points)

[normal pawn]

is there a more up to date table perchance

[finite fog]

unfortunately not, there's no reason to count points for bonuses below captain rank so there's not been a real need for accurate data

[normal pawn]

is this table accurate for tracking progress through a pvp season?

[whole salmon]

It is assuming you do optimal sand bag everything, which is unlikely

Tho it does give a rough estimate

[versed geyser]

The last day for week 2 isn't accurate, you can't get 12 points on third set

[whole salmon]

Most people would end up around the 2545 to 2595

Reaching 2600 on EN requires optimal conditions and good RNG matching

Even then, it is impossible for some servers currently due to lack of activeness

[versed geyser]

At most it'll be +11/+10/+10/+10/+10 if you are lucky, usually that set would be only be around +48

A decent starting Monday set one would resemble (+33/+31/+29/+27/+22) for 142 points, or bagging the last exercise for +29 for 151 points

[vale minnow]

I took 2 -9s and a -8

[finite fog]

you would get most of your bonuses before week 1 thursday, maybe 2 or 3 bonuses per set over the weekend, then 1 bonus until you hit server limit

i've only ever seen sub 1040 captain set to 2600 in avrora

theoretically possible in amagi but i don't know if anyone's done it there

[vale minnow]

I remember I was pretty high when I won

[finite fog]

oh and the couple of extra bonuses during aotn/eos

[vale minnow]

Something like 1060~(?)

And that was only a 2594

[finite fog]

just remember that trying to optimise everything has diminishing returns, it's a luck based game mode at the end of the day

[trail temple]

Even then, only 1 server can get 2600 consistently, another can provided they break tos

[versed geyser]

This is what I’ll call realistic for an Amagi R1 player

[stable dawn]

imo having a chart for bonuses is kind of silly because people reading it are going to take it literally and assume you MUST get a bonus on 10/10 for set 1 for example, But that's just not true. Bonuses occur randomly, often in really bizarre places like 7/10 halfway up the climb, especially at lower paces. Meanwhile at higher paces you'll see -1s at that exact same position.

It really is just luck in the end

like this chart specifically shows the player getting a massive early lead then choking on +0 days for 3 entire days, going from 1683 --> 2133 lol
but there have been numerous R1s that did not manifest in this exact way, with some being as low as 2125 entering AotN day and finishing 2597 eos.

[stable dawn]

This is especially present during EoS. I've witnessed firsthand someone with 0 refreshes getting a +6/-0 climb and finishing #1 while the person who was leading by 5 points got a +1/-5 and finished #3 with all 5 refreshes left before EoS.

Just get lucky.

[versed geyser]

That’s fair, there are many ways to get to mid 2590s. The +0 streak in the middle of 2nd week could be avoided by players with lower points, its just where you get lucky. My chart merely supposes the luck is gotten early

[stable dawn]

there's definitely a range where you can compete for R1 eos

like if you're below 60 +0 pace on aotn day no chance

but somewhere around mid-70s it becomes very possible

what's interesting is until recently Avrora's minimum pace for this was extremely low, like 62 on aotn day since they have a lot more players who bagged for aotn

you could enter with 2562 +0 and finish the season with 2600+ r1 eos by chaining post-aotn bonuses

I've seen andy do it lololol

but it seems like in 2025 this is gone, and Avrora plays like any of the other servers now

from what I've observed, it's almost identical to 2023 washy at this point

my current theory is the more dead a server is for pvp, the stronger the "high pace early" strat becomes

because of the phenomenon we first saw on Sandy, where post-aotn people just stop doing exercises and you're often in single digit ranks at 6/10 even

this is the main factor that drops scores in modern pvp

[gloomy sand]

just play lol

[finite fog]

https://tenor.com/view/faker-shush-gif-11473756061879643280

[gilded tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/chovy-geng-gengchovy-gengfighting-gif-16218880936837242950

[lusty hill]

Is that korean harry potter

[agile echo]

do i need to go down to 0 before this maintenance? or am i chilling at less than 5 to not overcap? running low on opp refresh and i dont think im gonna roll someone higher

[vale minnow]

If you wanna be safe then go to 0
The update isn’t a major one tho so

[hybrid agate]

less than 5 is prone to overcap if you missed two sets. zero is ideal if you want to not overcap incase you skip two sets

[agile echo]

will i lose out on a ton of points if i cant fight up?

ig better to just get the runs in than to overcap

[hybrid agate]

if you lose the fight yes, you will lose a lot of points, but if you win not so much.

[vale minnow]

Don’t overcap

[agile echo]

no losses this season i just retry

[vale minnow]

Some PvP try hard depends on you

[agile echo]

kk ty

ill just do the runs

not sure how comp amagi is

13 fighting 30s?

[vale minnow]

Amagi cv is no longer comp

[agile echo]

server not ship

i meant

no refreshes left but i assume best to just do that last 2

[vale minnow]

Oh

Nard might move

If he doesn’t I might bank on the mf witha long user

[gloomy sand]

mandatory download maint

[agile echo]

for aotn do you need to finish t10 or just hit it

[gloomy sand]

take that as you will

[gloomy sand]

just hit it at 2200 pts and higher

[agile echo]

kk ty

[hybrid agate]

2200 or above and hit T10

[gloomy sand]

lol enjoy amagi

[agile echo]

i dont normally pvp

just want the aotn once, but highest is fleet adm so figure may as well attempt

[vale minnow]

Amoogi

Maybe I’ll see you around on the LB

[steel coral]

nah he's washed

[gloomy sand]

no one ever moves

[vale minnow]

<@&460646206851252224> kindly remove their balls

[junior trench]

So, what are the bets, PvP UR for the upcoming event, or a PvE UR?

[trail temple]

Like every year, I bet on eos

[gloomy sand]

shirley

[stable dawn]

yamato then eos

[whole salmon]

Has anyone tried Bois Balleau

[steel coral]

if you've tried Luna, you've tried Belleau

[hybrid agate]

serenity got cooked by Bois Balleau

[whole salmon]

I was just wondering if Belleau’s burn damage reduced to 0 thing actually works

[hybrid agate]

it doesn't stop Lion burn

[whole salmon]

Unfortunate

[trail temple]

It would be spaghetti code if it did

[stable dawn]

Lion burn is such a well-designed ability

[knotty hazel]

lion burn is immortal enough

vanguard killer except ca/cb

if 1.5k dmg per 3 sec then abt 12 secs to kill a ca

[vale minnow]

everything else pwns them

[trail temple]

Anchorage dies pretty quickly to the dot damage

So...

It kills everything

[winged depot]

the lion burn was the friends we made along the way

[knotty hazel]

lion burn can actually burn subs too

poor subs never expected the fire unable to extinguish with the sea water

[stable dawn]

working as intended

[trail temple]

It's prepping us for subs in pvp

So they won't be fucking busted

[whole salmon]

Guys

Monarch with augment can hit concealed CVs

Is it the return of triple HMS

Glorious is doomed

Use Lion, Royal Oak, Monarch. Place Monarch directly across from CV. Becomes absolute cinema

[whole salmon]

On the flip side

Yuudachi Meta has 2 special burns like Lionflame

With only 2 sec intervals….

[worldly ore]

Cons: Have to use Monarch

[whole salmon]

Yuudachi Meta’s burns also ignores evasion

Isn’t this great

She has 2 of them

[stable dawn]

what a fun game

[worldly ore]

Good luck replacing someone in the vanguard

[stable dawn]

[whole salmon]

I haven’t checked Yukikaze yet

Is it anything good

Cus Yuudachi Meta and Monarch already seems like they want to cause me cancer

It works

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1nGamzaEJn/?spm_id_from=333.1387.list.card_archive.click

Monarch comp testing

[worldly ore]

Monarch has a pretty scary barrage against medium armor

[whole salmon]

Yukikaze sure is something

An invul skill huh

Very interesting

[whole salmon]

Doesn’t work well against other comps

Only against CV comps

Aside from CV sniping, Monarch sucks

[worldly ore]

Rock paper scissors meta continues

[marsh sand]

[steel coral]

what is monarch doing that musashi isn't?

[stable dawn]

she has a cool hat

[steel coral]

she works with royal oak

[coral wren]

<@&472236072743600148>

[fickle echo]

https://youtu.be/HvPX3k8e2-Y?si=Wy9kG9pmTCc8aFVm

https://youtu.be/aBwWKPsfN5k?si=IXc8Bt4BscugS5qd

I was coping with a lot of things and somehow those fleets work to some point

[whole salmon]

This frontline lmao

I didn’t think about it at first but instead of replacing Laffey, she might just replace Jintsuu Meta

Actual cancer frontline

[fickle echo]

https://youtu.be/_s16wuyp3JI?si=hpFO8dc9YVstJuuX
I tried Shinano against GloriousM too, though I had to change some gear otherwise Eldridge would die at the start or Shinano would die to an almost dead Laffey

[whole salmon]

But instead of a Tank like Ari’s, I ran mine as a torper

She has flooding barrage now

Cinema

[vale minnow]

mfs have ykkz oathed already

[steel coral]

wake me up when she lives past 30s mark

[whole salmon]

No

I have Yukikaze oathed

Years ago

6 years ago to be exact

During the Azuma Juneau Yukikaze frontline era

[finite fog]

[whole salmon]

Yukikaze is like one of the first ships I ever oathed

[knotty hazel]

dang

[zealous sedge]

[dense slate]

Amayui Castle Meister ost

[stark ice]

my def fleet in every battle

the last one is me

[agile echo]

Is aotn first opportunity this season reset in a few hours or the reset after?

[gloomy sand]

next set if you have enough points (i.e. at about 2100~ pts @ 10/10 exers after this set)
otherwise it will be the set 3 of the day, many players try to chase this one set in particular

[agile echo]

ty

[gloomy sand]

welc

[deft escarp]

She has mod now?

[deft escarp]

Man I remember that time lol

[knotty hazel]

mod

[agile echo]

got it

i dont have to stay t10 right

[steel coral]

https://tenor.com/view/satono-diamond-kitasan-black-dancing-tongue-out-umamusume-gif-10360028360813380941

[agile echo]

i got my screenshot im chillin

i dont think its possible for me to stay in t10 since i had to fight down a couple
times

[hybrid agate]

congrats on aotn

[agile echo]

tyvm!

[gloomy sand]

[lusty hill]

Congrats

[stark ice]

congrats

It's sad that you're not in Washington. Otherwise I could have eaten +1 from you

[gloomy sand]

in 15 minutes

eos soon

[lusty hill]

it is time to put submarine to pvp

[whole salmon]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV18xaFz7EPD/?spm_id_from=333.788.recommend_more_video.1

Dev 25 Mecklenburg Lion Seydlitz testing on CN

Pros: Before 20 sec, your backline is super tanky, chances of being sniped dead is really low

Cons: 1 airstrike may kill your entire backline as they all funnel damage to each other

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1PG3vzHEo9/?spm_id_from=333.788.recommend_more_video.0

The other team then I think some EN servers already pickd up on it

It is a JP server thing instead of a CN server this time, the footage was taken by a CN player on JP server

Which is that Seydlitz Lion Alsace comp

[junior trench]

After finally having the time to hop on the game and looking at the new augments, I'm guessing Yukikaze will be seeing some use in PvP now?

[whole salmon]

There's also a new comp which currently only has the nickname of Triple Special DOT. It is utilizing multiple ships with special burn to bypass any form of damage reduction and kill Laffey

But you can probably guess the candidate of that already

It is the combo of Lion's Lionflame

With Yukikaze's augmented torp flood

And finally, Essex retro's flood

[whole salmon]

Level of Practicality: unknown.
Level of Stupidity: Definitely, it is using “muhh it is a feature of the game”

[junior trench]

Ah, so do you think Essex has use in PvP then? I didn't think she had the right kit for it, but idk

[whole salmon]

It is more so a proof of concept rather than a practical thing

To see how many of these stupid DOT can we stack until Laffey falls over and dies

The main thing is for the JP anniv CV to replace her

Since Essex is the weakest component of that comp

[junior trench]

Essex water boards Laffey while Lion sets her on fire.

[whole salmon]

As for my opinion on Yukikaze

She’s the middle ground

She’s neither as tanky as Laffey nor does she have the torp of Shima

But she has a bit of both

And yes, Yukikaze’s flood is just like that of Shima’s

[junior trench]

Does she want spam Torps because of her new barrage?

I didn't see the exact effects so idk

[whole salmon]

She’s in an awkward position where she is neither a tank ship nor is she a torp ship

She can replace Shima but I don’t think she can replace Laffey

She isn’t a torp sniper like Jintsuu either

But she is a torp DOT applier

[junior trench]

She seems interesting. Tbh, I always liked her kit design in general, so I'm glad they gave her a worthy upgrade

[fickle echo]

https://youtu.be/m_hKoLrM3mw
Only now I realized I recorded before using the wrong augment on Yuki, all because I saved the set when I was too sleepy to notice it

[knotty hazel]

lmao

[whole salmon]

I feel like I should switch back in Glorious lmao

It feels like Essex does nothing

Yukikaze’s survivability is also like gambling

[foggy whale]

[nimble fox]

Bcuz PvP is not about DoT

[whole salmon]

Is it? How come the crux of pvp currently is DOT

Lionflame IS the strongest DOT in the game

Be it Shima’s flood or Yukikaze’s flood, both functions on DOT

And before that, it was Alsace’s DOT

And Richelieu’s DOT

[nimble fox]

Idk, my SALT burst damage still make ez work out of DOT

Just overwhelming damage

[whole salmon]

DOT is used it because it bypasses evasion, damage reduction, attacker’s advantage

[whole salmon]

So you used 2 DOT characters

Congrats you proved my point

[nimble fox]

But my main playstyle is burst damage

[whole salmon]

The DOT deals way more damage than the burst

You just don’t see it since it isn’t shown at end screen display

Lion’s DOT damage far outclasses anything in the game

[nimble fox]

But the burst focus out a few characters

Making a fair fight into an advantageous one

DoT hits all, but don't focus on knocking out anyone early

[whole salmon]

And without the DOT to soften them, your Soyuz can’t burst down anyone

Without Alsace’s and Lion’s special burn, your Soyuz can’t burst down the frontline either

[nimble fox]

I still use tea torp, so it's burst

Tea torp on all. I find that to be important

[whole salmon]

So much mental gymnastics to just say you use DOT and DOT is relevant

[nimble fox]

I understand that french torp is a bit better. But I still like the burst is more important

[whole salmon]

Who cares which torp you use

Shima and Yukikaze are still DOT units even if they do bursts

The only torp burst unit is Jintsuu

[nimble fox]

I don't use shima

I use the standard vanguard

[whole salmon]

Try using an actual burst team with Musashi Soyuz Vanguard and see how long it actually takes down a Laffey

[whole salmon]

Even less burst units

So your entire setup is to win the frontline fight using double DOT

[nimble fox]

I see mostly it burst the frontline, or burst 1 ship in the backline (if the backline is seydlitz, lion, cat-mov, lion would always be first to die within the 1st torp salvo

That makes fight easier

[whole salmon]

You either win the frontline fight with double DOT or that Nakhimov kills your entire backline in 1 airstrike

[nimble fox]

Idk, as soon as lion is knock out, it's gameover for the defending side

Nakhimov mostly wasn't able to load an airstrike on time

If only she could do the pre-load airstrike, things gonna be more interesting

[finite fog]

Isn't there only 3 good fleets in washy

[marsh sand]

[knotty hazel]

preload + immortal + dot = end

[whole salmon]

Hakuhou has DOT as well

All she needs now is concealment wipe and a survivability skill

[knotty hazel]

so the skill alr leaked

[whole salmon]

We saw from the stream when they talked about her barrage

It has rockets and it has converging torp bombers

[knotty hazel]

oh seems like ehhsex barrage?

[whole salmon]

Rockets first

Then converging torp

Dunno if this is her barrage or just an airstrike

But the white phoenixes seems to be part of the barrage

Afterwards, Elite enemy is hit with special burn at 140 damage per tic

[knotty hazel]

wow

[whole salmon]

However the tic is stupidly fast

Instead of once per 3 sec or once per 5 sec

It is once per second

[knotty hazel]

screen lag incoming

140 dmg.. either fixed or based on avi..

[whole salmon]

It’s a simulation tho so it is to be determined

Since they may not be using max gear, max skilled or max level

[knotty hazel]

true

maybe the dmg gonna be equal to lion

😱

[whole salmon]

The BB for example only hit for 1.4k damage per shell

[knotty hazel]

prob not since its cv

[whole salmon]

So likely isn’t maxed

[knotty hazel]

mhm that fake amagi

[whole salmon]

However, it does give us a hint at the mechanic of the ship

However consider it like this

Shimakaze and Yukikaze are doing 179 damage per 3 sec

140 damage per sec is actually better than Shima’s flood

[knotty hazel]

o

indeed

but they are diff hulls

the skill gonna be like: when the battle starts...

[whole salmon]

But yeah I hope it scales and isn’t just fixed

But the main concern has always been survivability

Whether she has concealment wipe or any damage reduction skill

Otherwise she would just be another Essex or another Hakuryuu

[knotty hazel]

if the dmg is high enough to wipe smt

[whole salmon]

Both have stupidly high damage and both have DOT

[knotty hazel]

but the laffey 2:

[whole salmon]

But neither are used due to lack of concealment wipe

[knotty hazel]

well essex got a support shield which is ehh

not convering whole vg

[whole salmon]

It definitely isn’t enough

She either needs concealment wipe or preload / fast load

At least anything to launch before the BBs do anything to stay relevant

[knotty hazel]

didnt ehhsex got 1 preload

after retro

idk maybe 2

[whole salmon]

She didn’t get preload

She gets barrage at the beginning

Not the airstrike

If she got preload we would all be using her by now

[knotty hazel]

oh barrage

i forgot that diff with preload lmao

[valid oxide]

I actually wonder if the current meta is enough to make hornet 2 conceal wipe relevant, or if she lacks damage compared to other options and is just a worse nakhi/gloriM alternative

[fallow vector]

This is my current pvp team. Anything I should change?

[valid oxide]

Do you have lion?

[fallow vector]

I do

Give me gear sample and which one I should replace

[valid oxide]

Copy one of the ones on the pinned sheet then

[fallow vector]

And maybe positioning wise.....

[fickle echo]

It only works when she's below 30% and there's another problem with it...

[fallow vector]

This lineup of gear is ok?

[vale minnow]

The bowgun isn’t

[gloomy sand]

replace soyuz with lion

that will give u tier 2 fleet tho

seydlitz sub in for alsace will bring it to tier 1 with the correct positioning

[fallow vector]

Bowgun?

What aux I should use rhen?

[vale minnow]

Officer sword

[fallow vector]

Okie dokie

[whole salmon]

Gustavc yesterday

Vs Gustavc today

Guess someone got walled

I was just testing against him yesterday as well

Nice adaptability

[knotty hazel]

too many similars

[vale minnow]

i dont even see those fleets anymore lol

rank 2000 moment

what is this bruh

[whole salmon]

I’m referring to Yukikaze instead of Jintsuu specifically

[knotty hazel]

o

[whole salmon]

On Lexington, there’s only 2 people testing out Yukikaze currently

Which is myself and Ari

[vale minnow]

hows it looking

[knotty hazel]

yukikaze..

[whole salmon]

Marginal difference at best

Less snipe but frontline and backline feels more secure

[vale minnow]

hmm
i was debating on raising and oathing her but

[whole salmon]

Yukikaze’s backline damage reduction and heal does reduce the chance of a CV dying early

Even if it is only marginally

Ofc, you give up your torp sniping capabilities as well

So you essentially trade 1 RNG for another RNG

[vale minnow]

is there a high chance of her becoming top of meta

[whole salmon]

Less chance of you being sniped vs less chance of you sniping

Top meta then it honestly depends on what Hakuhou do

[knotty hazel]

damn

did yukikaze recently get smt like retro?

[whole salmon]

Right now Yukikaze just feels like an alternative to Jintsuu on offense

And an alternative to Shimakaze on defense

[vale minnow]

idk man

[knotty hazel]

[vale minnow]

i personally dont feel hakuhou will be too good for pvp

[whole salmon]

She has special burn on 1 sec tic

So that’s decent potential

[knotty hazel]

1 sec tic, but only 1 or the ones get hit?

[late heath]

UR Yukikaze

[dense slate]

not yet, but i was lazy to change defense

[whole salmon]

Your fleet is really well geared

It is quite difficult to find proper fleets nowadays

[dense slate]

i am copying the document

[whole salmon]

Either they are running clapped gear or clapped fleet

[dense slate]

but am too lazy sometimes

[whole salmon]

Document already have Yukikaze?

[dense slate]

no, they have the old Yukikaze

like RPG thing and towel

and Eldridge goes

the pearl

and

flower thing

[whole salmon]

I still don’t know how to gear Yukikaze currently

I like that Ari is running her tank

And running tank seems to be more stable

[dense slate]

i thought that you were running it tank

[whole salmon]

I swapped to tank last night

[dense slate]

i changed because i heard from either you or Ari Naotonemai

[whole salmon]

I was running her with Shima’s gear before that

[dense slate]

that it doesn't make sense to run her with torpedo gear

[whole salmon]

Tank seems more stable yeah

[dense slate]

then i created courage to change gear and use her

[whole salmon]

Ari has the better idea with her

[dense slate]

because i also don't know what to gear her

it was him?

[whole salmon]

Yeah

[dense slate]

you were using torpedo then

i imagine

[whole salmon]

I was using Eldridge Yukikaze Jintsuu until yesterday

[dense slate]

i was impressed because you oathed Yukikaze back then

but i am chasing meta and oathed her yesterday

[whole salmon]

Even in Eldridge Laffey Yukikaze team I was still using her with Pearl and Torp

[dense slate]

kekw

[whole salmon]

It didn’t work as well as I had hoped

So I swapped her to full tank

[dense slate]

I am the worst

[whole salmon]

Don’t worry, I don’t have any idea either

[whole salmon]

I’m just messing around to see what works and what doesn’t

[dense slate]

She has been asking for that wedding dress for 2 years now

[whole salmon]

But what if she isn’t meta

Would you regret it

[dense slate]

No

[whole salmon]

Chad

[dense slate]

You guys test stuff and i am here only copying

[whole salmon]

I have Kaga oathed during fox meme and I haven’t used her in like 5 years

We’ll wait for JP anniv to see if anything changes

[dense slate]

Yukikaze is too cute

[whole salmon]

I miss her screaming Nanoda

[dense slate]

But i am trash

[whole salmon]

Mbruh

[dense slate]

Yukikaze-sama forgive me

I will feed you sweets and let you sit on my lap all day

[whole salmon]

I’m still waiting and coping for the day Nagato returns

[dense slate]

also Hasegawa Tomoko is VA for Yukikaze from Taimanim Yukikaze

[whole salmon]

Nagato is still the ship I spent the most cube on ever

Even more so than URs

[knotty hazel]

hmm so ya tested yukikaze cuz of recent oath dress...

[whole salmon]

No, because of the augment that gave her Shima’s flood and invulnerability

[dense slate]

he is right!

[whole salmon]

Wait there’s a recent oath dress?

[dense slate]

exactly that reason, yeah

[whole salmon]

I bought the skin

[dense slate]

no, it is pretty old

i was just trying to save face

[whole salmon]

Owh lmao

[vale minnow]

meta oather smh

[dense slate]

don't look at me!

[vale minnow]

im one of the same

[knotty hazel]

oh the aug

[stable dawn]

there used to be. Now there are 0

[finite fog]

retirement

[late heath]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-bocchi-the-rock-anime-mental-breakdown-cringe-gif-27026754

[sage olive]

Have you ever played goo goo babies with your life on the line?

[knotty hazel]

lmao pvp gonna be yukikaze oath flex moment

[inner mango]

[worldly ore]

I had ascertained Yukikaze’s potential from very early on

Bought her skin too

She is very cute and funny OwO

[long scarab]

it always comes back to yuki

[lusty hill]

That's not janus

:ranchSexCalm:

[neon summit]

is there really a chance she will become useful

[neon summit]

damnnn thats even earlier than me

🫡

also why are 550 quads optimal now?

[neon summit]

oh nvm found it

[unkempt vortex]

Man Rank 1 after like months, oh well it will not be after a few minutes

[lusty hill]

Congrats

[spare venture]

After Azur Lane unopened mails reworked (from 1000 to 100), i have no desire to play PVP

[long scarab]

is it best to wait for 10 or do when reset

idc about rank 1 but the most i can get out of it

[finite fog]

just save it

[gloomy sand]

[knotty hazel]

clicked at ur name what to do now

[gloomy sand]

do nothing

[spare venture]

No, the new mails; not the archive

[finite fog]

#pvp message

[gloomy sand]

[jade heart]

<@&460646206851252224>

[fickle echo]

https://youtu.be/yufo9HKcVZI?si=UPDHAIvYz0ju_Q00

[worldly ore]

Do you like her

[fickle echo]

Looks ok against GloriousM not sure if she would be good against other comps

Her skill makes the main fleet survive the airstrike

[knotty hazel]

how

if the timer isnt enough to proc

[steel coral]

if that glorm in the vid had flapjack + wyvern instead of rockets it would've done a better job at wiping your backline

and his lion is slow

[fickle echo]

Then she would have done less damage to Laffey and Laffey alone is enough to kill her

[steel coral]

that's what seyd aux is for

[fickle echo]

Enemy Seydlitz is taking damage from 3 BB firing at different times, and Meck has a skill that increases her damage against heavy armor, even if she survives she gets low enough to die to Laffey

Ironically the main way I see Meck losing is if they kill the main fleet and don't do enough damage to the vanguard

There's also Eldridge dying at the start, but that can happen with any fleet

I tried Seydlitz as the flag but because of Meck's skills it was way worse

[vale minnow]

It looks dicey

[fickle echo]

https://youtu.be/hi9Cb2tpCDI

[fickle echo]

Here, I asked Shal to use Flapjack and Wyvern, they still survive
https://youtu.be/ym8CjgolT-U

Their main problem isn't the enemy, it's how they often miss the vanguard since none of the ships has a strong sure hit barrage like Musashi's or Soyuz's

[trail temple]

🇻🇳

[vale minnow]

@chrome sedge

hi

[steel coral]

lel

[whole salmon]

I see Hakuhou special burn

I also see concealment wipe but it is RNG and requires IJN backliner

What to do, what to do indeed

She also provides damage reduction for allies

(But then Lionflame doesn’t care for damage reduction so mbruh)

Overall, very interesting

[marsh sand]

[whole salmon]

Special Burn is 140 damage

But it is dealt once every 0.5 tic

[vale minnow]

Surely she won’t be meta

[whole salmon]

Lasts for 15 sec

0.5 tic is diabolical

[whole salmon]

She still has most of limitations with CVs

No preload, no quickload

And no concealment wipe unless you rng 33%

[vale minnow]

She’s no glorm right

With the double air strike

[whole salmon]

And she requires IJN backliner to do it

So you would have to swap out Seydlitz for Musashi

Lion isn’t leaving

[blazing orbit]

does she not proc off her own

[whole salmon]

Maybe she does

But it is still 33%

[blazing orbit]

it doesnt say 'other' sakura empire ship in the machine translation

[whole salmon]

So having Musashi there means 66%

since effect shouldn’t overlap

[vale minnow]

Cursed

[whole salmon]

Having all 3 IJN backline should guarantee it but that is mbruh

We can’t exactly leave Lion

[blazing orbit]

is it rng?

" one of the following effects is triggered in order:"

ill have to wait for the actual ship to come out ig

[whole salmon]

My translation is “one of the following effects”

[vale minnow]

Or can we

[blazing orbit]

yeah i cant read chinese so im relying on the machine translation doc

which is horrid but alas

[whole salmon]

We can’t, no Lion and your fleet hit like a wet noodle

[vale minnow]

I have

A Strat

[whole salmon]

Good luck killing Laffey Yukikaze Eldridge

[blazing orbit]

yukikaze good in pvp?

[vale minnow]

Oh right how’s ykkz