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#pvp
void zealot
junior trench
Tier 10 Destroyer with BB guns. Definitely WG.
void zealot
yourmom
void zealot
your dad
brazen socket
+10 janus crown +10 black torp +10 torp
junior trench
Fake J-Class fan, you aren't even running her with one of her sisters 
inner mango
Imagine not putting +13 UR equipment on Janus
flint python
burn stall 
brazen socket
Is it even possible to stall out for long enough
That burn ticks down fast and it sticks so easily and eats away your hp quick
flint python
help it out with torp meme vanguard 
valid oxide
Is it even possible to stall out for long enough
We have 2 hiryuus now, does it matter when we can subject the enemy to 30s of lion burn 
neat atlas
just thought I'd let you guys know but these guns for some reason now have their fire chance set to 100%
jade heart
just thought I'd let you guys know but these guns for some reason now have their...
When did this happen ?
neat atlas
this patch it seems
just tested the 100 kai and for that gun can confirm it is most likely true
jade heart
Pvp is cooked now
stable dawn
distant gulch
literally burning
gloomy sand
shell raft
junior trench
Are we just going to slap extinguishers on everything? Or are we going to be running ships that mitigate burning? What shall the solution be?
junior trench
well against Lion anyway
The problem isn't Lion now. Now it's the guns which are now going to always set things on fire
gloomy sand
raw unfiltered aggression
distant gulch
The problem isn't Lion now. Now it's the guns which are now going to always set ...
doesnt matter
those are 20s gun
your BB is gonna die before they can fire any of these shot lol
my eldridge is already using 100kai
the rest is really nothing burger
maybe if you use seydlitz i guess
can use mk7
but again it's nothing burger
worry about lion
lol
junior trench
my eldridge is already using 100kai
Ok, but now Eldridge is always burning everything
distant gulch
you're worrying about the small fire
again go worry about Lionflame first
~_~
like what aux you wanna replace with the fire extinguisher??
at least make it some sense
shell raft
100% agro comp or you sink
junior trench
again go worry about Lionflame first
Why would I worry about something that I can't dodge LOL. We've already built the teams around that.
distant gulch
yes and they are all offensive aux or defensive aux that are core to the team
just answer me, which aux you intend to replace on any of the ship
junior trench
My guy, what is the matter with you? All I did was be curious what the solution would be. I only mentioned the two examples, as just that, examples.
distant gulch
i've been telling you you're worrying over nothing
junior trench
I'm not worried. If anything I'm excited
distant gulch
the small HE burn won't matter
floral wave
gun burn when everything is getting burned by lion anyway 
junior trench
The thing is, it'll be faster now, which may cause a difference.
floral wave
only if short burn is able to cover a difference between HE and AP
hardy kernel
Guys, I'm struggling, I barely managed to keep my 100% winrate. I need to know what to change.
Eldridge is a no go because I miss the event
junior trench
Eldridge is a no go because I miss the event
Check the Google Doc in the pins for what vanguards to use without EldKai. Other than that, rework your backline. With Lion's introduction, Meta has shaken up a good bit. Again the pins will have options for what backlines you can do, they just updated it like yesterday. If you still have more questions, or if you can't make any of the top suggested teams, you can still come back to ask again.
blazing orbit
those are 20s gun
could easily push als back into more comps
lusty hill
just thought I'd let you guys know but these guns for some reason now have their...
Is it a bug or intentional game design?
worldly ore
Probably doesn’t matter much for PvP since lion already lighting things up at the start
valid oxide
Just makes 100kai best for laffii and eldkai 
lusty hill
what's the best gear skin for royal oak and warspite?
flint python
bonk hammer
late heath
It’s like old pvp time when people actually testing various fleet instead of running 1
trail temple
It's like old pvp time when HMS was actually good
Well, tbh, it was niche and funny
lusty hill
niche and funny
distant gulch
could easily push als back into more comps
it wont win against the current meta comp
or maybe it will, who knows, just get lucky with vanguard torpedo
but im not buying the winrate
trail temple
Burns from HE aren't unique and don't stack. It just refreshes the highest damaging burn, it won't change anything
whole salmon
Absolute cinema
trail temple
Damn, it's not just Serenity struggling in this meta
wicked surge
Smh poor name for Lion, should've been Maria at least
trail temple
Alya isn't even English either, smh
lusty hill
what anime
autumn yacht
I been slacking off to play other games
Lost 9 attack
So how does Lion gun compare to NJ gun
graceful veldt
Lion's gun is lil better than NJ
distant gulch
maybe
shouldn't use alya's name i agree
should use her sister's
literally Lion right there
Lion but Russian
void zealot
good
distant gulch
Mori is Alya enjoyer
the stocking scene got me good
boreal comet
alya sometimes hide her feelings in russian
distant gulch
https://tenor.com/view/russia-training-bear-boxer-boxing-gif-1112450294281870515
apololips revived from the grave
wicked surge
https://tenor.com/view/maria-mikhailovna-kujou-alya-sometimes-hides-her-feelings...
Maria is just cuter
lusty hill
Maria is just cuter
weeb
trail temple
can do that in your own head
He actually talks to himself like that in the pvp server
late heath
sour pawn
So I’ve been trying this new fleet and I swear it must be a troll or something? It can’t seam to beat the normal GOT fleets, the VG dies instantly after op rainbow and LaffeyII is always left alive for opp with a lot of their backline still in tact. Warspite skill always hits the stupid Aux on Soyuz to only do 1 damage or miss and she generally dies before the 457 can fire so I don’t really get how this fleet is supposed to be good because even if she hits her mark all BBs shoot the Soyuz and it leaves the Alsace+Sushi with like 20% hp+LafferyII to finish the lone Seydlitz
shell raft
shell raft
That 14k backline probably has something to do with it 
sour pawn
That 14k backline probably has something to do with it <:AkagiLUL:53198839269988...
I was in the middle of swapping gear around tbh
And I’ve changed Seydlitz to Royal Oak and it does win but holy hell is it worrying when it’s just your backline left
It does feel so much worse+inconsistent than the normal GOT fleets, no?
sour pawn
This is what I ended up using. It literally just seemed on every match I won Jintsuu and Shimi were doing 40-50k, Eldridge does like 3k, oak and Warspite do 10-15k and Lion did about 20k
Literally just feels like torp meme
I don’t have the WNT but I don’t think that should make much of a difference
This is the gear im running I know it’s not perfect but still
versed geyser
Problem would be that Lion is shooting HE into Soyuz and Warspite probably isn’t shooting much given she’s last and as no HPFCR/AFCT
In the video by Ari all 3 had AP
sour pawn
Problem would be that Lion is shooting HE into Soyuz and Warspite probably isn’t...
What gun to use on Lion then? Because at the start I just swapped Soyuz with Lion and it was just a better version of GOT imho. And since getting rid of LaffeyII for Shimi and Alsace+Sushi for Oak+Warspite it just seemed worse
And idk what video you’re referring to sorry
stable dawn
your warspite is too slow, try running hpfcr or table on her
give her the mk4 gun too and put 457 on royal oak
light crystal
I wish we could make these on Lab...
whole salmon
After checking, it seems attacker advantage doesn’t matter with burn
light crystal
I've been focusing too much on Tenrais (78/50 Tentai BP's) for PvE. But my lack of Quad 152mm's is putting a strain on my PvP/PvE balance... If only we could make them ont he GearLab, I think 1 or 2 more would help me out.
whole salmon
Sasuga Lion, even on defense she can still burn for like 1.7k per tic
stable dawn
I've been focusing too much on Tenrais (78/50 Tentai BP's) for PvE. But my lack ...
who is the pink girl with the plygun, is she a collab char
whole salmon
This is what I ended up using. It literally just seemed on every match I won Jin...
Lion does way more than 20k but the burn damage isn’t counted towards end screen
light crystal
who is the pink girl with the plygun, is she a collab char
Momo.
blazing orbit
How often does burn tick?
whole salmon
3 sec
Each tic is like 1.7k
On like 5 enemies
Tic twice and that’s already 17k
Lmao
whole salmon
It isn’t shown on endscreen so people don’t think Lion does a lot
But Lion actually do a lot of damage
light crystal
When do they add WoWs gear to the Gear Lab? On the new season debut or end/beggining of year?
floral wave
but somehow it still wins even if it doesnt do "a lot" 
whole salmon
You don’t think Lion is doing a lot until everyone sudden dies at 16 sec in
light crystal
CN Anniv came, and they didn't add anything then I think
stable dawn
I thought Lion was the CN anni event
whole salmon
When do they add WoWs gear to the Gear Lab? On the new season debut or end/beggi...
Usually after the next PR season is out
blazing orbit
is an fp aa gun better than hit gun🤔
light crystal
Usually after the next PR season is out
So on Season Debut then. Hopefully we can make Quad 152mms then.
floral wave
is an fp aa gun better than hit gun🤔
how does more damage help if it does 0 when you miss
light crystal
What month is the usual release anyway. Maybe the new PR season will bring a PvP meta ship, been a hot minute lol
stable dawn
how many PRs has it been since the last pvp viable one
light crystal
By a hot minute, since Anchorage nothing in PR has been meta....
stable dawn
like 3?
vale minnow
not rly meta
floral wave
still counts
vale minnow
its jover pvp is dead
whole salmon
how does more damage help if it does 0 when you miss
He asks that because Lion’s barrage somehow ignores evasion and auto hit upon contact
stable dawn
by that logic ayanami is still pvp meta
light crystal
To be meta nowadays, you either need to be bugged like Lion, high burst DMG, or have immunity of some kind...
stable dawn
because she's a swap for shima
floral wave
He asks that because Lion’s barrage somehow ignores evasion and auto hit upon co...
ah that makes sense
floral wave
lion is bugged?
stable dawn
To be meta nowadays, you either need to be bugged like Lion, high burst DMG, or ...
or crash the game
whole salmon
Ignores evasion rate
Ignores damage reduction skill
Ignores WNT
Ignores attacker’s advantage
Ignores CV concealment
Absolute cinema
stable dawn
peak game design
light crystal
Is ignored by devs to be fixed cuz they don't care about PvP
floral wave
she doesnt not concern herself with petty mechanics
stable dawn
whole salmon
Imagine a barrage that tic for 1.7k every 3 seconds
Applied to every enemy upon contact
And continued endlessly due to burn spread mechanics
As if counts even summons like Laffey’s bunnies to spread burn
vale minnow
if lion : proc insta kill
if else : die
stable dawn
no even simpler than that.
Simply "if hits enemy, proc burn"
no other checks for DR
eva rate
gamemode
etc
floral wave
gonna be pretty funny for people who missed lion when more people switch their defense
vale minnow
no lion meta
stable dawn
makes me wonder if she can bypass certain invulns in opsi/meta bosses
stable dawn
neat atlas
When do they add WoWs gear to the Gear Lab? On the new season debut or end/beggi...
They announced recently that gear lab updates would be bi annual in June and December
So with any luck Plymouth gun will be in the Gear Lab by December
lusty hill
I prefer gaming table on gear lab than ply gun
brazen socket
gaming table on core shop >>
knotty hazel
rainbow shell for lion + alsace 🤯
karmic ridge
Lion meta or sumthin?
valid oxide
No, lion is not meta (jintsuu is since she got depress or something idk the lore 
)
karmic ridge
Ahh... Imma try fight her if i see her
Idk how my lion beats some seemingly strong lineups
vale minnow
I’m taking what I vaguely remember from 5 years ago 
lone fjord
with contact lens and hair dye...
spiral bobcat
What's with the Warspite, Lion, Royal Oak combo?
distant gulch
lion big damaj
oak tank for everyone
warspite 360noscope snipe
spiral bobcat
Warspoot going meta here again?
flint python
kinda yeah
flint python
until better hms backline comes out
flint python
Hope Warspite aug to salvage her outside pvp as well 
graceful veldt
Warspite used in pvp to target the top main fleet that lion's barrage could not reach
graceful veldt
I dont think she's gonna be used outside pvp tho
stable dawn
give her 500% crit damage ez
flint python
barrage procs at the start of the battle and every 10s, barrage crit dmg +500%, applies 15% eva rate debuff
spiral bobcat
Do you position Warspite in top position as well?
flint python
Do you position Warspite in top position as well?
granny is a bottom
steel coral
put her as flag 
graceful veldt
Do you position Warspite in top position as well?
at the bottom
stable dawn
she has to be bottom or mid to snipe top
spiral bobcat
Ogey
spiral bobcat
granny is a bottom
gloomy sand
lusty hill
ornate cosmos
What's with the Warspite, Lion, Royal Oak combo?
This backline..so are they using the laff ii jint M and eldridge kai as vanguard?
fickle echo
After I read this I got a really weird idea
"What if we just slash the barrage?"
Then this cursed fleet was born
Slashing the first Lion's barrage slash is too hard because the vanguard is almost never at the right position and FortM but it was possible to slash the 2nd, the problem was FortM being too frail to even survive and most main fleet lineups wouldn't even get much for it even if it worked
Then I put Eld and the French BB, Eld makes FortM able to survive the 2nd barrage and the French BB stack burn and are frail enough to lose 50% hp and trigger her skill to turn her AoA into slash
It doesn't seem much consistent, but it's really fun when it works
foggy whale
60 percent of the time, it works every time
stable dawn
god tier thumbnail
gloomy sand
reintroducing FortM when Seydlitz and (outgoing) Alsace fleets are still up is a crazy play
but oh well keep cooking...
stable dawn
flint python
unless you fully slash lion's first barrage it's just not worth it
lusty hill
<a:KekeCookingBurnt:1341376928980140144>
stop cooking and start disarming
stable dawn
whole salmon
Hmm
CN has idea
A very interesting idea
You know that triple HMS works cus of Warspite’s barrage allowing for focus fire of top position
What if you go back to the old days and put a CV there
For example
You put Amagi there
Who also has special burn
But also increases burn damage
To combo off of Lion and Shimakaze
lusty hill
Will this be the return of laffey :ranchSexDoorPeek:
valid oxide
Laffii never left 
stable dawn
But also increases burn damage
inb4 amagi's skills don't affect lion since lion already ignores all DR
valid oxide
Doesn't lion dot just flat out not count as a burn
sour pawn
It does feel like this fleet is just mostly carried by the torpmeme part of it idk. I’m not really sold on it fully
I know Lions damage is higher and is basically the reason the fleet can win but I feel like Sushi would just probs be a better choice then Warspite
whole salmon
It does feel like this fleet is just mostly carried by the torpmeme part of it i...
That’s the whole point. Lion is to weaken the enemy enough so everyone else can be finished off. Royal Oak is just there as a meat shield. Warspite’s only role is to kill the enemy top position and that’s it since that’s where Lion’s initial burn can’t reach. The backline itself is tanky and doesn’t do a lot of damage, it is just there to prolong Lion’s existence on field
whole salmon
That’s the whole point. Lion is to weaken the enemy enough so everyone else can ...
I have ran both Royal Lion Warspite and Seydlitz Musashi Lion
Both function similarly and well enough
If you aren’t facing backline survivability issue then use Lion Musashi Seydlitz or even Lion Musashi Soyuz
whole salmon
That’s the whole point. Lion is to weaken the enemy enough so everyone else can ...
There’s also the option of running Laffey instead of Shimakaze
Shima allows for faster clear time but Laffey always has better win rate consistency
On offense, not losing the vanguard fight is crucial
karmic ridge
I try to get jintsu meta or something?
whole salmon
I try to get jintsu meta or something?
Yeah somehow she still works
So we still need her
valid oxide
Jintm is the unchanging constant
distant gulch
next UR AOE barrage from the beginning
Skill 1: Any enemies hit by this barrage will be removed from screen if their hp falls below 30%
Skill 2: Crossfleet lol
whole salmon
Jintsuu Meta will be out eventually
Even pillars of pvp like Anchorage is out at some point
Just that it will be a decent while
marsh sand
late heath
When battle start, immune to torpedo damage for 20s
valid oxide
When battle start, all ships reflect 100% of damage taken to the enemy (2 second coin flip for win/loss 
)
junior trench
Does Ibuki need her FS5 for PvP? Or can she do fine with Dev 30 + Unique Aug?
hybrid agate
both FS5 and her Unique Aug
hybrid agate
what Vanguard do you use?
junior trench
Nothing notable at the moment. Working on getting stuff up to a usable standard.
knotty hazel
lion alsace warspite
lusty hill
:alSUS:
dense slate
lusty hill
Just got my 5th janus, just one more janus then I can make pvp fleet with only janus
trail temple
Do it, I wanna see a backline of Janus
lusty hill
wait till my 6th janus
light crystal
lusty hill
God give me strength
light crystal
God give me AP
knotty hazel
god give me no.1
distant gulch
no
lusty hill
should I eos this season?
:updog: for yes
:ca: for no
vale minnow
Can he eos this season
for yes
for no
knotty hazel
Can he eos this season
<:updog:1194498576626225164> for yes
<:ca:119590003637511...
cant react with that emoji moment 😔
distant gulch
unkempt vortex
light crystal
void zealot
<@&472236072743600148>
weak temple
/mute 303370336194527235
chilly ospreyBOT
eastmoth691#0 got muted.
finite fog
no free nitro for you 
valid oxide
Who needs free nitro when you have unemployed terminally online family members who gift nitro
finite fog
tits or gtfo
trail temple
I missed it
They were talking about the gspot fleet. Can't have everybody finding it
lusty hill
:ranchSexDoorPeek:
stable dawn
jade heart
:ranchSexDoorPeek:
valid oxide
Also why does my lion die so fast
you are running 2 CVs, the only ship they can aim at is lion and lion isnt the tankiest ship 
also uni enty are deadge in pvp atm since lion burns them through conceal
wheat anvil
@valid oxide any suggestion
valid oxide
<@803256060025634866> any suggestion
my suggestion is copy paste from the pinned doc
wheat anvil
How do I find said doc
valid oxide
by looking at the top pinned message 
distant gulch
how to look for top pinned message?
distant hill
the list looks nice. first time seeing it. but why is the information missing which tier is good? is smaller or bigger tier level better?
void zealot
what
i think the fleets at the bottom are the best that's why they're the last ones they show you!!
also definitely don't read the text next to the fleet comps!
distant hill
i dont know. tier 0 could be the best it doesnt need to make sense
distant hill
also definitely don't read the text next to the fleet comps!
ok i will not, thank you
distant gulch
you'd think AL reading comprehension wouldn't be this bad even in something simple like PVP
alas...
void zealot
there ARE exceptions, as you can see
void zealot
how
distant gulch
i saw a shiny Ibuki and was blinded by its aura
void zealot
ibuk!
steel coral
grim solar
How do you win against mirror Teatime Terrors?
hybrid agate
channel your inner serenity and ask them to disarm 
grim solar
:serenity:
vale minnow
sudden spoke
I was gonna let it slide if it just went back to PvP stuff. But ig not
void zealot
fihh...
whole salmon
They burnt the kitchen
Honestly I have no clue what they were cooking
But it is interesting either way
lavish karma
mother of spearfishes
lusty hill
spearfish good
floral wave
They burnt the kitchen
overcooked CN ver
junior trench
Honestly I have no clue what they were cooking
Have you tested it?
fickle echo
I tried this with Amagi CV and even if she does a lot of damage to the main fleet she can't beat a low hp Laffey II
hybrid agate
I tried this with Cat+Soyuz, it was a flop vs current Teatime
junior trench
I tried this with Amagi CV and even if she does a lot of damage to the main flee...
Tbf, Torpmeme is seemingly the theoretically better choice at the moment, so Laf2 won't be as common of a ship to deal with as she used to be.
gloomy sand
no La-9, immersion broken
sour pawn
How do I know how well I am on track for EOS? I feel like I’m doing something right
hybrid agate
How do I know how well I am on track for EOS? I feel like I’m doing something ri...
we have a pace command on the 🅱️ 🇻 🅱️ discord server link on the pinned doc, I checked yours and I think you're doing fine.
fresh dove
what is BvB
hybrid agate
🤼♂️
junior trench
Boy Vs Boy
steel coral
junior trench
Saw this team today
Somebody’s got a type
jade heart
<:ShimaSalute:1227541822117773312>
jade heart
<:ShimaSalute:1227541822117773312>
@grim solar save us
grim solar
Aww hell naw.
lusty hill
<:ShimaSalute:1227541822117773312>
lolicon
distant gulch
there's amogus in that fleet...
should have put lil prinz eugen for maximum cheekiness
grim solar
❔
trail temple
4/6 oathed ships, smh fake fan
gloomy sand
i don't have Seydlitz emotes 
valid oxide
junior trench
It's gotta be her retrofit skill right? It's the only one that doesn't already have an upgrade.
knotty hazel
warspite tier ex after aug
junior trench
Ok theory-crafting time: how do you think they can reasonably upgrade Warspite's retrofit skill (Yellow Skill) with the Augment? Like what changes and effects do you think would work well?
versed geyser
It's gotta be her retrofit skill right? It's the only one that doesn't already h...
No it’ll be the red skill and an entirely new effect
Since you can augment Warspite without retrofitting putting the augment upgrade on the yellow makes no sense
Or it’ll just be a 15 secs invulnerability augment lmao
distant gulch
inb4 it's just improved barrage
would be sick if it remove the RN requirement tho
all backline zoom in a single target
overkill it
lol
(how to waste 1.5 salvo)
junior trench
Since you can augment Warspite without retrofitting putting the augment upgrade ...
Eh, I don't see why it couldn't still be upgraded, it'd just be an upgraded skill that's locked.
versed geyser
Eh, I don't see why it couldn't still be upgraded, it'd just be an upgraded skil...
Locked skill? Only seen that on the Meta ships
junior trench
Locked skill? Only seen that on the Meta ships
New Retrofit Skills are still visible but locked for ships with Retrofits. You unlock them by buying the node on their retrofit tree.
Arguably I think her Yellow Skill needs it more, since other than the spread range, it doesn't really do much for her.
versed geyser
Arguably I think her Yellow Skill needs it more, since other than the spread ran...
Yes, but every single time this happened the pre-existing skill got changed
whole salmon
I have a feeling that they would make her barrage shoot at the beginning of the battle
Instead of at 10 seconds
Then pad it with some acc and eva stat
Buff the damage a bit
And call it a day
versed geyser
Instead of at 10 seconds
In addition to, not just instead of, skill likely won't be self-conflicting with retrofit
Although instaproccing NJ would be funny lol
mortal aspen
She needs some more near 15% main weapon efficiency. mg
To get close modern 155% UR standards
junior trench
Yes, but every single time this happened the pre-existing skill got changed
Yes, and every single time they also have avoided upgrading skills that already have an upgrade
This is a new situation in both cases
junior trench
Zombie skill to reference how she avoided scrapping
mortal aspen
She already has 15%FP, so no hope for more. Unless 5-10% rld
junior trench
Extra Efficiency would be pretty nice
lusty hill
Wait for the official serenity prediction
neat atlas
Yes, and every single time they also have avoided upgrading skills that already ...
well to counter your point a bit, Izumo's augment also buffs her red skill despite the fact that's the one that get's upgraded by FS
junior trench
well to counter your point a bit, Izumo's augment also buffs her red skill despi...
I never said otherwise. But they don't directly upgrade skills that already have one. You can have one skill give another a buff, but they have done a straight double upgrade before. Also Izumo's augment did more than just buff her red skill.
I guarantee the main reason why they don't directly upgrade skills with already present upgrades is a programming related problem.
lusty hill
Wait for the official serenity prediction
junior trench
Wait for the official serenity prediction
“Warspite does 500% damage against J-Class DDs”
steel coral
"if sortied with no HMS ships, increase divine marksman dmg"
light crystal
valid oxide
make warkai barrage also proc every time her gun finishes loading if they do that i will sell my soul
late heath
“When battle start, 1 shot all the ships from commander who did not marry Kashino”
valid oxide
they should just make her into hiryuu but BB and british
lusty hill
<a:Pepe_Thinking:957624091144249424>
Don't be a snitch
stable dawn
paper solstice
Am I doing something wrong or am I being trolled?
Been running this setup and yet have been regularly losing against the likes of Salt and even once against the Burniniator backlines as well as standard vanguards—definitely noticing an increase in how much my ranking falls off in between refreshes
vale minnow
Why is eld tanking 
distant gulch
i run mk4 on warspite, 457 beaver on lion, flag oak, top lion
and yeah jintM tanking
paper solstice
Why is eld tanking <:murmsob:1096614695974219806>
Jintsu is meant to be the one tanking
I forgot that 3 is the side tank and not the front tank
But yeah I have no idea why this fleet keeps getting stomped
Pretty sure it's doing a lot worse than GOT ngl
distant gulch
vs mirrors?
because you're flagging lion...
mostly because of that
the rest is gear difference here and there
valid oxide
pencil lion spoot and off-flag oak with WNT is truly a fleet
paper solstice
Royal Oak is my flagship; Lion is top
Idk if the new fleet builder has different positions from the old one
paper solstice
the rest is gear difference here and there
What gear different do you mean?
distant gulch
like you're using staag, hms shell on lion, fdg gun etc
if you're vs mirror you can try changing your vanguard and see if laffey works better or not
otherwise it's really just resetting until torp meme delete the backline
valid oxide
reset until eld proccs before lion barrage hits
distant gulch
that too lol
stable dawn
any fleet with lion has like 100% WR against GoT, but Lion mirrors are a hell of their own
it's worse than the hiryuu jintm fortm era from 2023 imo
valid oxide
I agree, hiryuu jintm fortm era was strange but not nearly as cancer as lion 🐎
sour pawn
Tbh I found that just swapping Shimi for LaffeyII helps the fleet a lot against everything but a mirror as it gives time for Lions burn to do its job, but in the mirror it’s better to just have Shimi and who see who wins the torp battle
whole salmon
Am I doing something wrong or am I being trolled?
Been running this setup and y...
Switch back to Laffey
If you don’t want to bother knowing when to use Laffey and when to use Shima then stick with Laffey
whole salmon
Am I doing something wrong or am I being trolled?
Been running this setup and y...
Warspite’s focus fire means you should to run triple AP backline
Since it also causes other HMS BBs to prioritize firing on the backline
whole salmon
If you don’t want to bother knowing when to use Laffey and when to use Shima the...
Unlike with Seyd comp, Triple HMS runs better with Laffey due to the fact that you want your frontline to survive
Seydlitz comp has Seydlitz to deal with frontline
While Triple HMS would all focus fire backline
Using Shima means you would win the backline fight but lose the frontline fight, which is NOT what you want in this case
whole salmon
If you don’t want to bother knowing when to use Laffey and when to use Shima the...
The spreadsheet for some reason doesn’t specify as it split frontline and backline separately but Shima and Laffey are for different situations, you can’t just copy the spreadsheet and assume you could perform well
Triple HMS will win the backline fight, the issue is then the frontline fight
Seydlitz comp is a more balanced approach
Laffey is there to win the frontline fight
Shima is there to help the backline fight
Which is why Seydlitz Shima works while HMS Shima doesn’t. You would lose the frontline fight since no one is dealing with enemy Laffey
paper solstice
So in other words, swap Lion's gun out for a 457 and switch out Shimakaze with Laffey 2?
stable dawn
put mk4 on warkai so she fires first too
lusty hill
put mk4 on warkai so she fires first too
That's actually my setup
knotty hazel
cant wait to see how much warspite aug help her becoming meta again
gloomy sand
good evening what did i miss
distant gulch
serenity yapping
lusty hill
~~cant wait to see how much warspite aug help her becoming meta again~~
Wait for the official serenity prediction
jade heart
~~ i wouldn't serenity pepega~~
valid oxide
At this rate serenity will be predicting after datamine
junior trench
At this rate serenity will be predicting after datamine <a:BuckyPrideAnim:839635...
Imagine if he does and still gets it wrong
light crystal
jade heart
Ew warspite
junior trench
Thanks whichever mod that was
void zealot
no problem
lusty hill
serenity has released the official prediction
hybrid agate
junior trench
Dorm expansion and new 3d unit - perhaps its time to zero out?
Dorm-ain Expansion? 
spiral bobcat
Tf is a serenity prediction
valid oxide
Serenity yaps about new unreleased thing and gets it completely wrong
grim solar
<@422287258968915980> How essential is Lion in comps rn?
Meta kek.
Top of the list meta.
late heath
Lion on top and Warspite on bottom
grim solar
late heath
grim solar
Lion on top. 
deft escarp
Man I'm screwed lol
I got like 4 Glorius meta and not a single Lion in 150 pulls
Gonna have to wait 2 years for rerun now
vale minnow
I got like 4 Glorius meta and not a single Lion in 150 pulls
did u do all the rookie missions
deft escarp
Ye
vale minnow
junior trench
warspite is a bottom????
She’s a power bottom
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junior trench
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stable dawn
🤖
lime rivet
steel coral
whole salmon
Absolute cinema
valid oxide
pvp is dead and HMS killed it 
spiral bobcat
distant gulch
British colonizing pvp
brazen socket
This is truly the azur lane
lusty hill
The serenity prediction are proven accurate
light crystal
trades eva survibability for more hit huh
valid oxide
i think the benefits from her aug outweigh the loss of eva
flint python
light crystal
i think the benefits from her aug outweigh the loss of eva
what's the main difference?
i havent bothered to compare 
valid oxide
what's the main difference?
she gets a second barrage, her barrage inflicts a vuln debuff for herself ,she gains 15% mgm eff/crit damage (i dont know which one because translation things) a self hit buff, and her barrage always crits instead of just the first one
so if by some miracle she survives till 25s she gets to crit with her barrage again
light crystal
i suppose i need to take the old girl out from mothball 
valid oxide
you needed to take her out for teatime 2 fleet anyway 
light crystal
so if by some miracle she survives till 25s she gets to crit with her barrage ag...
there's no way she's surviviing with lion fire ticks and being middle to 20s lol
valid oxide
go grind 
stable dawn
valid oxide
do tell
whole salmon
I’ll wait for proper translation of the augment before saying anything further
light crystal
I’ll wait for proper translation of the augment before saying anything further
oh, so augment sucks?
whole salmon
No, it is better
whole salmon
Basically there’s 3 barrages
- 5 sec: Royal Sword barrage
- 10 sec: Divine Marksman Barrage
void zealot
one goes towards the furthest enemy
one goes towards the white house
one goes into my mouth
whole salmon
And after Divine Marksman hit the target marked by Royal Sword
It fires an additional barrage
Just to make sure the top position is extra dead
light crystal
light crystal
rather not
whole salmon
Enemies marked by Royal Sword receives 12% more damage from Warspite
light crystal
kaede hasnt made a skin of wk in years
wicked surge
there's no way she's surviviing with lion fire ticks and being middle to 20s lol
Her only role is to chunk and mark enemy lion, then she can die
stable dawn
at 20s the fight is over anyway
whole salmon
Nvm I misread
spiral bobcat
Absolute Warsnipe
light crystal
Nvm I misread
so it sucks then
whole salmon
Enemies marked by Royal Sword receives 12% more damage from Warspite
Only 12% increased damage taken
light crystal
whole salmon
So Musashi would still have damage reduction
But yeah the 3 barrage thing is real
One at 5 sec, one at 10 sec
And an additional one
wicked surge
Supposedly she has NJ damage if those barrages hit
light crystal
8h maint + dorm expansion +new 3d model. time to zero out 
trail temple
Do it
whole salmon
If Soyuz isn’t dead enough
She’s omega dead now
Would you rather get hyper sniped by Warspite or face tank Lion’s burn
stable dawn
RIP soyuz
trail temple
Convert to HMS, it's the only way
stable dawn
whole salmon
The funny thing is
This aug skill is fully pvp
In pve, the mob may already be dead from Royal Sword
So you may never combo Royal Sword with Divine Marksman
shell raft
No more Soyuz ice barraga 
light crystal
This aug skill is fully pvp
they have shown they dgaf about pvp, since we have lion's bugged fire in the game 
stable dawn
100% hitrate
spiral bobcat
So you may never combo Royal Sword with Divine Marksman
Bosses probably can, but idk if there's someone even willing to bring her in say, an arbiter fight
light crystal
i think they made the sword thinking of pve, but it just happens to work better for pvp in happenstance
stable dawn
In pve, the mob may already be dead from Royal Sword
it might be for bossing lol
warspite has never been a good mobber tbh
light crystal
btw, i refuse to use royal oak (for now anyway). who's better between musashi and alsace?
whole salmon
it might be for bossing lol
But doesn’t she target bomb boat off screen
stable dawn
neither, use seyd
whole salmon
Yeah use Seydlitz
light crystal
leaning on keeping alsace
shell raft
You'll have a much easier time if you just convert to Royal Oak though lol
stable dawn
valid oxide
so what im hearing is deadmaster top to avoid top getting sniped
light crystal
so time to boot musashi. maybe when the game eos's and finally releases yamato it will be musashi's time to shine 
valid oxide
yamato will have musashis damage tanking ability but enabled in pvp and better trust
also +1200% damage increase for yamato class
brazen socket
Would you rather get hyper sniped by Warspite or face tank Lion’s burn
The divine markaman is so back
light crystal
i think i overcapped somewhere along the way already 
either that, or iamgood had a good lead 
gloomy sand
valid oxide
corgi aug details just dropped
valid oxide
dont 🐌 me i was on about the actual numbers
whole salmon
Oh I didn’t realize
The addition barrage mentioned was a second Divine Marksman
Ayy FP scaling also increased
whole salmon
The addition barrage mentioned was a second Divine Marksman
So yeah 3 barrages total
5 sec: Royal Sword
10 sec: Divine Marksman
Then Divine Marksman again on hit target
fickle echo
Don't worry, they'll release Yamato soon
lusty hill
Nail on the coffin
whole salmon
According to Thraxius, the mark doesn’t go away
And the sword can mark multiple targets
Thankgod only 1 bonus barrage even if you mark multiple targets
valid oxide
Imagine being able to barrage every ship
spiral bobcat
At this point, just make her Monthly Challenge version playable lol
steel coral
warspite spamming barrages into an invincible seydlitz that's just soaking up all the dmg
and also forcing lion to also target said invincible seydlitz
valid oxide
I did that before I got NJ
steel coral
use warspite to force them to have seyd top so you can nuke the other two with burn and torpmemes
valid oxide
Alternatively just use spoot to snipe bottom since it leaves them with only one BB who can do anything to your backline since HE seyd Vs backline
unkempt vortex
our dreams came true, we rejoiced a week ago
neon summit
aint no way lmao
i dont have royal oak or seydlitz so it doesnt matter but this is still hilarious
lavish karma
She is still shite in pve though
junior moss
doesn't matter, this is pvp chat, pve does not exist here
whole salmon
Without Royal Oak, it is still going to be an issue
Since Warspite is still as paper as ever
Royal Oak is there to cover for that survivability
It is unknown if Warspite can stand on her own yet like Lion or Musashi
But it is still a decent step forward
whole salmon
There’s an issue
Royal Sword can miss
If it misses, Warspite is no different from regular one without Aug
To trigger the 2nd Divine Marksman, you need to hit the target marked by Royal Sword
If Royal Sword misses, it means no mark and no 2nd Divine Marksman
knotty hazel
light crystal
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1L4MczAEwH/?spm_id_from=333.1387.homepage.video...
Sei looks superior over Oak tbh
lavish karma
devs were definitely high on something when doing unique augments
light crystal
If anything, looks like I'll be forced to run Sei now lol
I guess I'll do that for Attack
valid oxide
If it misses, Warspite is no different from regular one without Aug
Yay another thing to reset for
light crystal
Yay another thing to reset for <:EssexWheeze:1113921620277461033>
I plan to run Seydlitz and Musashi over using WK tbh
light crystal
We need a strong FDG-style BB for the next KMS UR event, then it's gonna be double KMS BB + Lion meta 
Gate the non Seydlitz havers
lusty hill
lol
junior trench
FDG is pre-2022 ship
I mean, after Monarch gets her augment, then PR2 ships are next…
junior trench
I still want to see a deadmaster fleet cook <a:BuckyPrideAnim:839635015633076224...
Probably Lion, DM, Hiryuu if I had to guess, trying to have as much of your backline surviving as possible. But idk who’d flag.
valid oxide
Whichever one is tankier between hiryuu and DM and pray they don't get oneshot by torps
junior trench
Whichever one is tankier between hiryuu and DM and pray they don't get oneshot b...
Anti-Torpedo Bulge time
valid oxide
Anti-Torpedo Bulge time <:OwariWOKE:588629686578315264>
Then you are choosing between avgas and wnt for flag 
stable dawn
lion being the only BB means everyone will just fire at her
since BBs can't aim at stealthed CVs
whole salmon
There was that one stupid comp CN came up with
That is zero damage and maximum stalling
Eldridge Laffey Fortune
Backline uses Ryuuhou
Ryuuhou would single target heal Laffey
And since Laffey can’t be bursted down, it essentially resets Laffey’s hit counter
Run that with Hiryuu and Dead Master
And you have a weird af comp
light crystal
So u mean an EoS Defense fleet
vale minnow
me when 50s left
valid oxide
Ryuuhou would single target heal Laffey
Would zuihou not be better now 
valid oxide
Zuihou ryuuhou raff
Apparently ryuuhou has better healing numbers but she only heals for 3 airstrikes
brazen socket
not like you'll live past even 2
valid oxide
That's why you but zuihou top and raff flag trust
distant gulch
granny is ready
brazen socket
granny is ready
I wonder how hard she hits now in pvp
Oops forgot tk turn off ping
But ye
She essentially fires off 3 waves of barrages right?
distant gulch
good enough to snipe off the top ship
void zealot
yeah spoot is fucking crazy now
distant gulch
wicked surge
warcorgi diff
whole salmon
She essentially fires off 3 waves of barrages right?
Only if Royal Sword hit
If it misses then she won’t fire the 3rd barrage
whole salmon
Oh she is missing
junior trench
If it misses then she won’t fire the 3rd barrage
Just reset until it hits
whole salmon
The hit rate on that thing is terrible
It isn’t like Lion where it hits upon contact and bypass evasion stat
Against a Musashi with Beaver it isn’t hitting shit
brazen socket
They couldnt even give grandma the grace of giving it eva bypass
wicked surge
warspite has insane luck and hit, how would that miss
brazen socket
lol
junior trench
Actually, how much is her base luck stat again?
whole salmon
It was absolute cinema
void zealot
#justreset
compact jungle
What's the gears for rn main for pvp?
wicked surge
We have proof of it missing already
that has to be confirmation bais? what statline did they change to fuck up warspite hit
whole salmon
Absolutely nothing, she was running UR hit AA gun, Rainbow Table and even Fairy
Which in total is 3 hit stat item that provided basically the highest hit possible
On a level 125 oathed Warspite retrofit
wicked surge
that women has base hit of 102, with luck multiplier and her increase hit on dds from yellow skill
im gonna look at it more just incase
brazen socket
I guess all that luck and hit cant save the base ass hit rate of that thing
void zealot
ass hit
brazen socket
Maybe if we complain hard enough they'll adjust it to be eva bypass
void zealot
hitrate tuah
brazen socket
Hit tuah! Crit on that thang
valid oxide
It isn’t like Lion where it hits upon contact and bypass evasion stat
It also likes to aim at vanguard ships half the time
void zealot
hit tuah, warspit on that thang!
void zealot
np
whole salmon
It also likes to aim at vanguard ships half the time <a:BuckyPrideAnim:839635015...
Wait it doesn’t have the furthest target targeting?
Oh then it’s dog shit
This is basically gambling
valid oxide
It always either hits the vanguard or the furthest target
I have never seen it hit any other ship
brazen socket
Oh yeah
valid oxide
When it does hit furthest ship though you essentially oneshot even a musashi
brazen socket
Doesnt she have a dd/cl prio target thing
stable dawn
we replaced one rng with another
whole salmon
I mean there’s only like 4 targets in total right
brazen socket
Or was it just boosted damage against them
void zealot
true
whole salmon
Frontline, top, mid, bottom
stable dawn
void zealot
hawk truah
whole salmon
If it targets frontline it hits all 3
But 50% chance to target frontline
Then you gamble for 33% of 50%
For it targeting furthest back
valid oxide
Or was it just boosted damage against them
15 hitrate Vs DDs
brazen socket
15 hitrate Vs DDs
Oh
stable dawn
we used soyuz for like 1.5 years
valid oxide
More things to reset for 
brazen socket
Soyuz had the courtesy of having good hitrate
stable dawn
soyuz was 50% chance to hit invuln vg and do nothing
void zealot
second-rate marksman
valid oxide
Defender advantage is real trust
stable dawn
boss vs playable character
brazen socket
Defender advantage with zwei cope is back on the menu
valid oxide
Also the buffed eldkai, she has snipe now 
brazen socket
Wtf eldridge
stable dawn
compact jungle
valid oxide
In fact, all of my PvP fleet has snipe
compact jungle
Anyone can help me?
junior trench
Also the buffed eldkai, she has snipe now <:NekomiyaLiveReaction_W4cky:117784308...
Who gave Eldridge the rifle?
compact jungle
Who gave Eldridge the rifle? <:MutsukiHyperStare:588629678017871872>
Manjuu
brazen socket
Trust we will get yamato this jp anni and she will have divine marksman EX+ and it will have 100% hitrate and 2k burn per tick
junior trench
Honestly stupid.
brazen socket
Type yes to affirm
junior trench
But it feels like a “once in 6 match” type of thing
6 resets
whole salmon
It is like the level 1 Ancho gamble skill back in the day
junior trench
Got it
whole salmon
People left ancho skill at level 1 to gamble it proc-ing 3 sec earlier
Legit actual tech
Warspite gamble reminds me of that
valid oxide
Spoot gambling is just another layer to the reset agenda enforced by the evil despicable lions and torpmemes
compact jungle
What gear on royal oak and warspite?
void zealot
check the sheet
compact jungle
I can't find it
void zealot
it's in pins
void zealot
use your computer skills
void zealot
use your phoneputer skills
compact jungle
brazen socket
What if we all submit a feedback to the survey for devs to buff divine marksman
brazen socket
It better be for a skin
stable dawn
we need warspite l2d
void zealot
:warSus:
brazen socket
Warspite nubian skin
stable dawn
void zealot
omg.
compact jungle
I mean lion is the last one on that list
void zealot
it's not
valid oxide
You are free
late heath
If you have Kashino in your fleet, Warspite skill get upgraded with better ammunition
stable dawn
are you from vietnam, iirc they have to turn vpn on to actually view images
brazen socket
Conspiracy: the pvp pros are gatekeeping the secrets of the lion by making users unable to access her section
Gatekeep proven true!
compact jungle
are you from vietnam, iirc they have to turn vpn on to actually view images
Im in the eu
void zealot
compact jungle
💀
brazen socket
compact jungle
Thanks man
valid oxide
Expect a visit from the accidental death by 7 sniper shots (you posted PvP secrets 
)
void zealot
valid oxide
Does the corgi shell advice still apply to triple HMS where she has royal oak to tank for her or no
void zealot
warspite dies...
i haven't really tested much since my royal oak isn't leveled yet but even with survivability gear she gets pwned pretty easily
compact jungle
Is this vanguard still viable?
valid oxide
Yes, make jintm tank though
compact jungle
valid oxide
And also royal oak flag
compact jungle
Ok
stable dawn
teatime terrors is actually better with standard than torpmemes imo
void zealot
due to the absurd amount of backline dmg you have already?
stable dawn
junior trench
So, in triple HMS, who gets what main gun?
valid oxide
457 oak lion, 406mk4 spoot
sour pawn
I mean testing it with a quick 5 battles it feels like the aug does next to 0. Every fight it hit operation rainbow so did nothing, and I’m presuming it doesn’t mark them as a result as I never saw the sword icon above them or got an additional barrage
Doing another 5 more I’ve only seen a mark appear on one of the back lines once at the 20s mark. Idk if it’s being evaded, rainbow just counters it or what but yeah can’t say it’s exactly good or consistent even
fleet laurel
is WS better with 406mk4 than 457?
void zealot
prevents jam
valid oxide
They really do mark frontline more often
I'm going to take credit for this discovery and close my eyes to pretend CN didn't find it before me (they probably did but I haven't checked )