pvp

[gloomy sand]

don't bag on day 1

move asap when you see someone on your list moved

[narrow aspen]

Just don't bag, your life will be happier

[lusty hill]

Why is that?

[wheat torrent]

What is “moved” on day one?

This was after two battles. Should I fight or wait for movement?

[gloomy sand]

oh, you missed the first 30 minutes of day 1

[wheat torrent]

What’s special about the first 30?

That’s like midnight for me. Eh… not sure if worth.

[gloomy sand]

Because nearly everyone rushes and you must eat at least some of them going up

[gloomy sand]

A lot of players move

[wheat torrent]

That must be why I’m never near the top at end of season.

[gloomy sand]

It's the middle of the afternoons on my end. Unfortunately set 2 is 3 am, as such I can't really execute step 2

[wheat torrent]

I can usually get aotn, but never finish top at end of season. I think last week was my best and I was 15th a few hours before end

I usually push for aotn on Friday or Saturday before end of season.

[gloomy sand]

Top of the season and rushing are two mutually exclusive goals

If you care about the score, then don't rush and feed off movers and rushers. Maybe even snipe some baggers here and there

If you care about the merit, then what you did last season was the correct option

[wheat torrent]

I think I care more about merit for bulins, but I think I’m coming to the end of that in a few months.

[gloomy mural]

can someone make me a good fleet?

[half silo]

Only those ships?

Did you check pins already?

[gloomy mural]

the rest is underleveled trash

[half silo]

Doesn‘t matter cause level can be fixed pretty quickly

In contrast to not owning a ship altogether

[gloomy mural]

and the rest is actual trash

[half silo]

Alsus NJ FdG for backline

Vanguard is a bit harder: def include anchorage

Yuki and belfast/noshiro I think

[gloomy mural]

dont got gear for any of the vanguard

[foggy whale]

Start leveling Juneau if you have her

[gloomy mural]

idk who that is

[foggy whale]

She drops from tons of maps, you should get her just playing normally

[half silo]

That‘s why you should‘ve checked the pins first

[gloomy mural]

read it once, only have like 2 ships for all the fleets

[half silo]

well there are some easily accessible ships among the recommended ones

as shal said juneau for example

[gloomy mural]

dont see that anywhere

[gloomy sand]

FdG not even Dev 30

[gloomy sand]

got Soyuz and Laff-II?

[lusty hill]

start with the new player section then mix them with the 2 you have

[fallow vector]

What equipment I should use for PvP Laffey?

[trail temple]

Did you have a look at the pvp guide?

[fallow vector]

I dud but I just don't know what to put in Torp slot

Since there is no real gear I have in that slot which is the same as the guide

[trail temple]

How much OpSi have you done?

[grim solar]

Tea Torps.

[gloomy sand]

you can keep main gun
teatorps
57mm for AA coverage
EU Elite Damage Control aux, or Manjuu for short
Boiler

[lusty hill]

Use manjuu aux

[fallow vector]

Ty2

[gloomy mural]

No

[gloomy sand]

Give up on PvP for now

[ornate lake]

Xd

Nice PvP meta lol

[lusty hill]

Truly higher ups advice

[trail temple]

Future sheet editor right here

[lofty herald]

Don't give up theres still other way to win

[trail temple]

https://tenor.com/view/go-for-it-you-can-do-it-encourage-do-it-gif-14006408

[serene epoch]

yes, I consider 8 hour sleep as a win

[lusty hill]

kid named having a healthy life

[wicked surge]

I see you guys meet berke, even if he does , all of his ships will be grey and blue gear

[gloomy sand]

[lofty herald]

fk this new meta I don't have Jintsuu and Laffey2

main fleet getting bombard by those explosive sht

I guess I'll just wait for another 3 years just to get those 2 this what happens when you just leave azurlane in 4 months maybe 5 months lol

[hybrid agate]

Shimakaze and Anchorage could be good alternatives, setup can be found on the Newbie/Budget fleets on the pinned doc.

[deft escarp]

Lb2 JintsuuM useable right?

[stable dawn]

jintsuu meta and laffey II were released in 2023

that's well over half a year ago

[crystal elbow]

Anyone have the document?

Like can someone make me a pvp team? Or

Is meta musa nj kear?

And then shima laf2 mog?

Or smth?

Btw dont want use alsace soyuz and bis2

Tysm

[wicked surge]

No lol

[wicked surge]

It's pinned

[crystal elbow]

ty

[steel coral]

it's not optimal but if it's what you got then you can make do

just weaker torps

[lusty hill]

yes but it's a cope

[lofty herald]

I'm targeting the higher rank lol I already have them still they always getting bombarded by those laffey2 jintsu and shimakaze lineup even the main fleet can delete 80% of their life

[hidden robin]

Wichimeta might be fun

[gloomy sand]

Probably. Though I don't see much prospects for usage

[lone fjord]

Bataan you're original cannot be replaced

[lusty hill]

Bataan good

[river flicker]

Same

[grim solar]

Washington looks really cute with those wings.

[river flicker]

Ikr haha

She is just pure innocent

[strong falcon]

From trio Nj, Musashi and Soyuz is any ship worth swapping with Alsace?

[gloomy sand]

NJ

also welcome Amagi player

reasoning is that she can do damage early on, damaging frontline a lot

She's the reason why Fortune META is dying in relevance

[potent heron]

[strong falcon]

Thx

[trail temple]

Latest spreadsheet update has NJ being replaced

And Juneau is back

[versed geyser]

Just asking, why did Richelieu never made it to meta given that her preload should be also able to counter Fortune Meta?

[gloomy sand]

lack of damage to dispatch the frontline
and you'll lack damage for the BB fights later on
you'll be at a disadvantage, basically

given how busted alsace is now, she's back to relevance in one way. Buff is notable enough to deal serious damage to the frontline

[fickle echo]

Richelieu has the best faction buff and a special burn that stacks with Alsace's special burn

[narrow aspen]

You def can use her (together with Alsace)
But can personally confirm it is volatile and can lose by attrition if you haven't broken the enemy's fleet by 15s

[versed geyser]

Oh ok thanks

[narrow aspen]

Ngl, my personal view right now is uh
If you use Riche + Alsace, you should throw caution to the winds and go torpedo frontline
You either win or die trying bc with their dismal bulk, you will lose to true GoT by sheer attrition if you try and match their Juneau
If you'd prefer not to play like a maniac, though, I'd copy the GoT fleet to the letter

[lusty hill]

Preload good

[gloomy sand]

Is that how fast you finish inside a woman? Makes sense if you think that way

[narrow aspen]

Explains why Janus ran off with the agency

[lusty hill]

Wtf

[wicked surge]

Bro was in denial that his waifu is a loli

[lusty hill]

:ranchSexCalm:

[native seal]

Also Alsace barrage is more likely to connect from the slithering shots and she has a 2nd barrage for a small heal. She also has extra shots from her main gun

[sterile bobcat]

why does richy want the twin 406 when paired with alsace?

[narrow aspen]

#pvp message

[native seal]

AP and higher ROF on the 2nd shot.

[narrow aspen]

... Just realised better clarify it's the Twin 406 SK C/34 (FDG gun)
Not the Twin 406 Mk 4

Please carry HE on Riche lol

[gloomy sand]

HE to fuck over frontliners lol

also you can just call it FdG gun, since it came along with PR2 season

[narrow aspen]

Ye, but in the sheet it says carry "Twin 406" when paired with Alsace, so thought I better clarify that

This is the problem with having so many 406s in the game

Actually, on closer inspection, "Twin 406" is universally used in the sheet for FDG gun, so as long as that's the standard adopted there should hopefully be no confusion

[coral wren]

I lack Musashi. Can I just slot in NJ for her glaring spot in GoT?

and following up: If so, should I switch damage control to L2 or keep it on NJ

[lusty hill]

probably yes

I'd put manjuu on NJ

[coral wren]

Word

[sour pawn]

So I decided to try and sandbag and just wanted to spend my last exercises before I go to sleep; what do I do in a situation like this

Just use the last exercise and have the sandbag points basically wasted?

[finite fog]

save it for when you wake up

[sour pawn]

But I’m gonna be asleep for like over 8 hours I don’t wanna wake up V_V

[finite fog]

yeah, if you don't wanna wake up, you're just going to have to eat the -1

[sour pawn]

I swear it feels like the timings for late night commissions and PvP feels real bad for EU people

Like I ain’t waking up at 3am to do either of them

[finite fog]

yeah, anywhere but like 3 time zones have it rough

[sour pawn]

‘EN’ servers more like ‘NA’ servers

[finite fog]

surprisingly, the best place to sandbag is actually nz

7am, 1pm, 7pm

[sour pawn]

They’re asleep when it’s like the massive 12 hour gap? It’s so bad over here as it’s 8am-8pm

[finite fog]

yep, that's why it's so easy there

i guess certain parts of na too where it would be like 12am, 12pm and 6pm

[gloomy sand]

interesting, though for me I've thought it'd be either an 8 pm or 9 pm daily reset for best time

[finite fog]

i'm definitely a morning person

[gloomy sand]

my sleep scheds are like 11 pm 12 am. Consistent

Just to try get movers in set 1

if only

[finite fog]

[stark ice]

in such situations I spend all 10 attempts because I will sleep during the next 2 resets

yes, in the last battle I got 9 points, but it’s better than losing an attempt

[lusty hill]

Skill based game mode

[versed geyser]

Just fight lol/hope someone takes over you being 1st

[sour pawn]

I’ve been taking the -1 everyday and it seems I’m getting closer and closer to having 2 exercises spare when I hit rank 1, is this just a Sandy server diff?

[lusty hill]

do you sleep all through 2 reset?

[sour pawn]

Yeah, usually, currently ill/healing so need all the sleep I can get

[lusty hill]

You shouldn't let pvp affect your life

Your life doesn't revolve around azur lane pvp, it's fine to take break

God grant me the serenity to accept that my life is more than azur lane pvp

[gloomy sand]

Not a Sandy diff, whenever I zero out on Amagi there's almost always going to be a ~15-20 pt difference between me as r1 and someone on r2

when I feel like rushing

[trail temple]

We usually get about 30+ point diff at this stage if we were to 0 out (this accounts for +9s and +8s)

[ornate cosmos]

If i may ask guys..is seydlitz is good to use if u dunn have sushi for pvp..and use alsace and soyuz wth her

[trail temple]

Might be better off with NJ tbh

[floral wave]

seyd alsace richie

supa preload

[ornate cosmos]

Hmm ok ok i see

[ornate cosmos]

So nj better than seydi for pvp

[gloomy sand]

when are u come back to peeveepee

[floral wave]

wanted this season but work didnt let me

maybe next, idk

[trail temple]

Yeah I would tbh

[autumn quest]

Prob no but should i still use jintsuu meta even if she is 3* ?

[lusty hill]

If she has preload then use her but probably not the most optimal

[narrow aspen]

Preload requires LB2 pre sure

Better to just use another ship at that point

[versed geyser]

Or just use what Pilica uses and do Alsace, Riche, and Soyuz

[lusty hill]

Pilica fleet :god:

[narrow aspen]

I'm terribly concerned that anybody is unironically recommending my fleet tbh

[gloomy sand]

it's because it's one of the better non-Musashi fleets in the sheet and in pvp

gear it right and you go toe to toe with Jimmy of all people

[trail temple]

Will it go toe-to-toe against Famine, Himmel and Reiver though?

Asking for a friend

[lusty hill]

Nobody can be as good as them

There is only one Bill Gates

[trail temple]

So is Bill Gates three people?

[stable dawn]

the holy trinity

[lusty hill]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/826150561648083034/1255375139189821541/56wjs5hqv7w61.webp?ex=667ce6b4&is=667b9534&hm=739789ac03d9b49a79d7a72a9a0d29917aaf3874e69b75519707fb016bbdfbdd&=&format=webp

[trail temple]

[light crystal]

"Edited" means cancerous in nature

[lusty hill]

aoste

[gloomy sand]

epic gaming

[lusty hill]

bataan good

[trail temple]

Bullying a lv86

Damn bro

[brazen socket]

wtf mitossex

[stable dawn]

I misread that as nitrosex and got hyped up for nothing

[lusty hill]

is essex good at pvp

[gloomy sand]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/4rFWCoMx3s1w_7p6KhWcxPzS4M1jbVneo_l0SFsw6pc/%3Fsize%3D64%26quality%3Dlossless%26name%3DEssexWtf/https/cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/805231998443585576.webp

[stable dawn]

yes

[boreal comet]

Hi,
I would like to mention that my mental health has been getting better ever since I stopped playing pvp. Thank you all.

[frosty fossil]

lol

[late heath]

you no longer have to vs sleep

[trail temple]

Don't have to if you put Kashino as your secretary and use her in pvp. You just win

[late heath]

yes

[worldly rock]

Has hiryuu fallen out of favour or can i still see success with my girl?

[grim solar]

Carriers as a whole have fallen out of grace since Soyuz rendered them all vulnerable.

[worldly rock]

[grim solar]

Check pins if you want solid PvP comps.

[lusty hill]

CV will be pvp meta gain when they release UR CV with preload and 50% reload reduction like uvh but without losing damage while also provide heal and hp shield at every airstrike

[grim solar]

That's gonna be Indefatigable in a future update.

[versed geyser]

Tbh Laffey II+Soyuz is so utterly anti-carrier you'd have to some how kick both out of meta for reasonable carriers to be possible

[versed geyser]

Nah too weak, how about Enty with 100% proc chance with 16s invulnerability, or a carrier with 90% quick take off chance

[gloomy sand]

Blud speaking Yapanese

[gloomy sand]

for rushers, well you could still see success with her. Just expect some resets here and there

only in bagger territory will you find problems with hiryuu as of now

[trail temple]

You need to stick a final counter in there or you'll be weak outside of that invul window

[versed geyser]

Well, Enterprise with the fastest planes and maxed reload should be able to proc Lucky E within 16 secs of the previous strike

[floral wave]

then youll never win any match

[worldly rock]

why are the tea torps perfered over the rainbow 610s? can they be interchanged?

[trail temple]

BBs start firing around the 12-13 second mark

[stable dawn]

rainbow 610s have terrible spread. You might as well be using a single torp launcher

[grim solar]

Tea Torps + black torps and a bit of luck is enough to take down a backliner, if not heavily damage one.

[serene epoch]

I believe it was Laffey II cause no CV can kill her

[gloomy sand]

there is a stark difference in their Torp patterns

rainbow 610mm have a fan pattern, so in most cases only one could hit, maybe two. But you'll need to facetorp to hit a majority of its torps

Meanwhile the Teatorps have a straight pattern. Meaning that it one hits their target, it is more likely for the other torps to hit that same target.

[versed geyser]

Well you'd have to reveal Enty first to kill on first salvo

[brazen socket]

Not like thats much of a challenge

[trail temple]

Preload CVs say hello. If something is that much of a threat, Aquila will come back

[versed geyser]

Which is the original point in how to bring CV back to meta lol

[trail temple]

I guess

[gloomy sand]

died 2023 born 2024

Welcome back Aquila

[hardy kernel]

My sandy server so cooked

I lost 2 times

[junior trench]

Thoughts on the new Z47 to deal with the Light Armor Vanguard ships?
Tbf, not sure if her skill actually does enough to have an effect, but just curious on the thoughts.

[narrow aspen]

I know it's not good to jump the gun but uh
If I've read her skills right it's not nearly enough

[junior trench]

I’m trying to remember if we have any additional gear that would be an effect.

[gloomy sand]

nah lmao the new Torp in this event only has a marginal increase in DMG over classic quad mags

[junior trench]

? What are you talking about? I didn’t say anything about the event gear.

[narrow aspen]

Well, what kind of gear do you have in mind that would somehow make Z47 more potent?

[grim solar]

Ahhhh, thought it was Soyuz.

[serene epoch]

Sovok not have anything to deal with CVs

Even Kear was more about it, but not strong enough to take over 3rd slot

[narrow aspen]

Soyuz is more of a lucky fluke bc her barrage has such a wide AoE
So that she can hit stealthed CVs is more an incidental part of her kit

Whereas Laffey is just a giant middle finger to the entire concept of air power in one slot, on top of everything else she can do

[junior trench]

Idk, some sort of gear with a special effect that would further increase dmg against Light Armor.

[narrow aspen]

No gear at least comes to mind
The usual way to handle the usual light armoured suspects in PvE is Aurora
But I don't think I need to mention that that doesn't quite fly in 2024's PvP

[junior trench]

Of course

[narrow aspen]

If Z47's buff was for the whole vanguard maybe I could see it having at least a basis for working
But given that it only works for herself, I genuinely struggle to see how one can make it work

[junior trench]

Tbf, considering how many of the meta Vanguard options are Light, I’d argue there’s still benefit regardless. I doubt she’s independently good enough to warrant use though.

[lusty hill]

Rate my defense fleet, all lv 125 now

[gloomy sand]

cutlet clears ez

[gloomy sand]

Glory to Project Moon

[neon bronze]

project moon mentioned

[narrow aspen]

[stable dawn]

[lusty hill]

Is it f2p friendly?

[gloomy sand]

heard it pretty much is

if u R dolphin then their battle pass seems like good investment as well

[lusty hill]

how does the gacha works? like I get 10 or something character at the start and the gacha is a reskin of each character?

[gloomy sand]

it's like getting a version of that character in different timeline

mostly by faction since there's a lot of them

pretty much a genius move on the devs' part because this sustains them long term for when they make and maintain their games

but I digress, alas the mods will read this channel sooner or later

[lusty hill]

[worldly rock]

i dont have any real good tank for defense fleet, should i try my luck with max evasion le terrible or try with tsuzusuki for it and try to get the smokescreens?

[gloomy sand]

anchorage is permanent option and works fine enough

you can get by using old meta

[worldly rock]

problem with that is i dont have her or any cubes atm

[grim solar]

Anchorage is a PR ship.

No need for cubes.

[worldly rock]

oh good, i'll work on getting her asap then

[grim solar]

Also, defense fleet?

[worldly rock]

i mean the fleet in general

[hardy kernel]

Scuff run

[hybrid agate]

grats

[gloomy sand]

good run for lvl 100~ gamer

congrats

[lusty hill]

Aotn :god:

[half silo]

Congrats!

[floral wave]

[keen silo]

[trail temple]

[stark ice]

What a server?

[hybrid agate]

Avrora

[trail temple]

Before I learned collusion strats

[lusty hill]

Is that really avrora

Never seen noobasian account

[winged depot]

he still has the same name though

you're tripping

[narrow aspen]

Ngl, this is a prime place to paraphrase the Yukana thing
"Coincidentally, I've never seen you EoS" :peperanch:

[lusty hill]

I've met a lot of strong and competitive players but never noobasian

I fought him once a long time ago but I'm 100% sure the name wasn't noobasian

[winged depot]

[shell raft]

How old is that screenshot

[serene epoch]

#pvp message

[shell raft]

👀

[floral wave]

?

[lusty hill]

That conversation is so old, I was still a noob

[finite fog]

"was"

[trail temple]

Someone call the fire brigade

[finite fog]

Sandy top 10, congrats to Mattyy

[nocturne temple]

What determines who is #2 if they both have 2590

[winged depot]

its really evident, its just who does his/her attempts faster is the higher one

[stark ice]

Washy

Borgar 👑

[lusty hill]

[stark ice]

is laevii in this chat?

[hybrid agate]

nope, laevii is not in this server even.

you can find him elsewhere

[lusty hill]

[gloomy sand]

dead chat xd

[lusty hill]

pvp is dead

we killed it

[stark ice]

[stable dawn]

@light crystal you better get R1 this season. I overcapped a full set on day 1. Good luck.

[light crystal]

Time to do the same

[coral wren]

Painful

[grim solar]

So curious question. What was the longest standing meta comp in PvP history?

[late heath]

Kashino one

[stable dawn]

we're still in Kashino meta rn

[narrow aspen]

Glory be to Kashino
To Kashino who is, who was, and who is to come

[lusty hill]

Mafia

The longest standing ship was probably shimakaze ever since her released until laffey2 release

[coral wren]

Damn bro already a 9 pt differential between myself and r1

I need to l2bag better

[trail temple]

https://tenor.com/view/wrong-drumpf-trump-stupid-gif-6220235

[lusty hill]

[stable dawn]

[winged depot]

you do know nj was older than shima and just now have been relegated

and juneau is just timeless

[grim solar]

That's... actually kinda surprising. Like was there not a single meta before that was as long as Mafia?

[narrow aspen]

Prob if you count the various derivatives and variants of the pre-Italian IJN fleet one could argue that it lasted longer
And possibly even more so if you count later stuff like Musashi/NJ + Shina + Hiryuu
Kinda depends on how you classify

[keen silo]

Longest meta ship has been juneau

since first day of pvp she’s been good/op till today

[versed geyser]

For quite some time she has been out though?

Especially during the Fortune Meta Era

[keen silo]

her value will only increase as time goes on due to the fact that backline has continued to become stronger and stronger relative to frontline

fortune meta era didnt stop u from using juneau tho

just because the spreadsheet does not use it does not mean its not a strong team comp

[late heath]

Juneau still work pretty well on attack even against fortune torpedo comp

[stable dawn]

I think we need to distinguish between laffey fortune era and shima fortune era

during JintM/Shima/FortM it was basically impossible to use Juneau

now with Laffey II + Alsace it doesn't matter anymore

fortm basically gets vaporised by preload and so Juneau is superior by default

[coral wren]

With both a 100mm kai and a Mogador gun available at equal levels, which would be better on Laffey and Juneau respectively?

[gloomy sand]

laffey ii w/ 100mm and juneau w/ mog gun, i've heard
juneau has an extra mgm so putting mog gun on her should increase damage. 100mm is second best currently so use it on laffey ii

https://tenor.com/view/so-ive-heard-meme-cat-ears-so-i've-heard-gif-14683186045299634393

[coral wren]

Hahaha word, ty bro

Jun needs another 2 levels, gonna be fun to see how she performs compared to Shimakaze

[lusty hill]

Kid named I genuinely forgot

[half silo]

but sadly doesn't work against kashino comp

[lusty hill]

bataan good

[coral wren]

Will Naval Treaty trigger if it's on the opposing flagship? or only if I opt to run it

[serene epoch]

WNT triggers from defense fleet as well as from your, but only 1 can be in effect

[coral wren]

Gotchu, thanks

[deft escarp]

Invest in crypto to win PvP

[serene epoch]

<@&472236072743600148>

[lusty hill]

what was it?

someone tell me

I missed it

[trail temple]

It was a song

Went a bit like this

PvP bros
We're desperate
Collusion
Disarm for me pls
Always sleep deprived
So sweaty
I'm starting to hear voices
Ooh oh ooh
Ooh oh ooh~

[earnest citrus]

For operation siren if I change gear when they are in a map do I need to redeploy the fleet to have the changes go through?

[finite fog]

no

[earnest citrus]

epic

https://tenor.com/view/seseren-essex-azur-lane-gif-26532130

[trail temple]

You know this is the pvp channel, right?

[steel coral]

he's pvping himself by doing opsi

[trail temple]

Ahh, you got me there

How did I not know

[finite fog]

we're better anyway

[earnest citrus]

oh shoot

mb

meant to click the channel above

[late heath]

They need to make it so that every time you reset a pvp match, you’ve to play the original opsi minigame

Only way to skip it is to marry Kashino and set her as secretary

[narrow aspen]

[vale minnow]

is there a pvp meta comp that doesnt use jintsuu meta

[versed geyser]

Anchorage/Juneau/Laffey II

[lusty hill]

player vs opsi

[neon bronze]

shimakaze works as a downgrade if you happen to have her

else you use what TPDH recommend; a stall frontline for the silliest of shenanigans

https://tenor.com/view/swiggity-swoogity-gif-14136850

[serene epoch]

Can't we do anything about our superiority complex?

[narrow aspen]

Is that an Amaburi reference?

[lusty hill]

we're better cuz we can send gifs here

[narrow aspen]

And we're worse because like half the mod team probably want to nuke us out of existence, but still haven't out of sheer pity for our miserable existence

[lusty hill]

They should remove pvp from the game

[hearty hedge]

What anime?

[narrow aspen]

Amagi Brilliant Park (often shortened to Amaburi)

[hearty hedge]

Thx

[coral wren]

Need Jintsuu META to be added to the archives STAT

[narrow aspen]

I want to replay her season
Prob my favourite META boss of all time

A difficult, but fun, fight

[lusty hill]

they'll probably release a better ship when jintsuu meta got archived

[brazen socket]

Since lil enty doesnt have sushi yet, is their bb comp soyuz alsace fdg?

[hollow walrus]

Soyuz/Alsace/NJ?

[bright mauve]

Ive just been running arse

[narrow aspen]

Glad to have a fellow traveller on the arse train

(Although I'm not on LE)

[brazen socket]

Oh my god I forgot nj

[winged depot]

[narrow aspen]

So, in other words, a serenity moment

[serene epoch]

They have riche/tamaki/nj/fdg as 3rd slot options I guess

[narrow aspen]

Out of curiosity, in a Musashi-less world, would ARSE be a better or worse option compared to just putting one of Tamaki/NJ/FDG with Als and Soyuz...

[finite fog]

haven't tested enough to know the meta for sure, but i do know nj with manjuu has a slight edge

weird af meta

[spiral owl]

I found more success with Soyuz/Richi/Alsace since they can get rid of laffey 2 much faster

But the NJ variant is probably more stable so I'd run her instead if you don't want the hassle

[narrow aspen]

[shell raft]

NJ

[fickle echo]

FDG isn't that good when there's no way to efficiently protect her from torps considering she's slower than other BBs and her barrage isn't good enough to kill them by itself, Veerra did a test even before Alsace and she was often dying right at the start

Without Musashi or Fairy Magic on LE all BB are easier to kill compared to other servers

I had more challenging fights going against okay fleets using Shima than top players using Juneau for that reason

[narrow aspen]

[keen silo]

nj is better than fdg cuz 5% dmg reduction to eu ships

[lusty hill]

[grim solar]

Found a... wild Michita comp.

[versed geyser]

Did you post wrong photo?

[grim solar]

Uh no.

[versed geyser]

Oh nvm I get it

[lusty hill]

is nakhimov good at pvp

[grim solar]

She will defeat Laffey II and JintM.

Trust.

[shell raft]

Real

[digital peak]

Pvp is really bad actually, this need to be updated, like a units ban system to oblige meta abusers to thing and use other compositons

Or like adjust the limit of the foe vanguard, koz our main ships can be one shooted by enemies paralel torpedoes

[gloomy sand]

SMART

[shell raft]

Remove the attacker buffs from pvp

[gloomy sand]

use fortM juneau lol

or just reset until you win

[finite fog]

see you next year

[late heath]

Let people pvp reset but they have to go through OPSI puzzle every time they reset

[boreal comet]

Is Napoli good in pvp?

[late heath]

Make it a point system like NIKKE in which you can run your exercise any time within 24h

[boreal comet]

I think Nakhimov will be pvp meta

(she is cv)

[lusty hill]

What you mean you only need to clear opsi puzzle once

[coral wren]

This dude lives rent free in my head still

King

[serene epoch]

Makes you regret that serenity plays not on Amagi

[shell raft]

Shouldn't he be an easy win if he's still using FortM lol

[lusty hill]

@buoyant parrot you forgot to update your defense fleet

[coral wren]

This is from an old season

Cant have Admiral at this point in the current szn

[floral wave]

thats the point, everytime you need to reset you need to repeat puzzle

[buoyant parrot]

this isn't my defense fleet

-_-

its been updated looong time ago

[half silo]

so basically I can‘t become gay now

[buoyant parrot]

nah not unless you lose. btw this is the updated defense fleet.

[whole salmon]

Bad news is that turning 2024 meta back to 2022 meta or 2020 meta won’t stop people from using meta fleets

[fickle echo]

At least you can avoid your ships getting destroyed by torps, it's not like that was a strategy used long ago, right?

[whole salmon]

Definitely not a strategy that existed since the beginning of the game

It is the same saying

“If you got walled before and is still getting walled, turning the meta backwards wouldn’t stop you from getting walled”

[narrow aspen]

Torps? Never heard of her

[buoyant parrot]

back in the days we use to swap position for Warspite xD

dunno if that count as strategy

[whole salmon]

It’s not like the meta ships we have back then is suddenly gone from our dock

[buoyant parrot]

😅

[whole salmon]

If there is a ban system

And we ban Jintsuu Meta and Laffey 2 for example

That would just revert us back to Anchorage Shima Juneau

We don’t even have to raise any new ships or get new gear

[narrow aspen]

Just dust off the old swords

[whole salmon]

That’s why the ban doesn’t affect veteran meta players

It wouldn’t really change anything

[whole salmon]

Hiryuu Amagi days

[fickle echo]

Ban Juneau so Urakaze can finally be meta

[hollow walrus]

Ban Musashi and FortM so everyone is forced into Lil E meta

[narrow aspen]

[whole salmon]

Back to zoomers we go

Revised edition

Imagine if all URs and Metas are banned

We would be back to Mafia days

Heck we could even go further back to Noshiro Naganami Jintsuu torp meme days

[fickle echo]

Ban every faction aside from Tempesta and collabs

[whole salmon]

Replace a torp meme with another torp meme

I have Gridman comp raised

Truly one of the meta of all time

[hollow walrus]

Guys are the new DRs good for pvp?

[fickle echo]

Serenity will get walled by them somehow

[narrow aspen]

And he will therefore conclude that they are OP
Thus will the cycle continue...

[spiral owl]

Average Lil E fights when no musashi/fortm
https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx0jwtmPOtPpcOnbzyyI3T25RYBT3AVf3d?si=WBAAZ0qgGj0tUID9

[narrow aspen]

The heck... inappropriate for some users

[spiral owl]

age restricted because I used "ARSE" in the name

[narrow aspen]

Ohhh, right
Ofc

[trail temple]

@light crystal Thoughts on the new DRs? Napoli gonna be a game changer?

[light crystal]

The cat CV will be game changer in lonely nights

[trail temple]

Plug n play?

Triple Russian backline?

[stable dawn]

cheshire dead in a ditch

[steel coral]

[lusty hill]

Cheshire dead so Anson could live

[shell raft]

Is Halford good in pvp?

Does she replace Laffey II

[lusty hill]

need some more testing but so far I've been getting consistent run with halford

[shell raft]

[boreal comet]

Her airstrikes bypass Laffey II's skills and kill her instantly

Hard counter

Fr fr

[stable dawn]

wish granted but it only works when laffey II's manjuu expires

[narrow aspen]

[grim solar]

Bayard viable in PvP?

[lusty hill]

so far I haven't found her to be viable in pvp but maybe cuz I haven't lv10 all her skills yet

wait couple of days for final evaluation

[grim solar]

[coral wren]

Cant get a +1 for the life of me man fucking hell

Rank 250, challenge rank 10, +10

Cool!

[lusty hill]

skill based game mode

[serene epoch]

lmao, thats why you always check score when above 1050

[coral wren]

Honestly real

[crude jetty]

When is Musashi rerun?

like every Meta fleet pretty much needs her

[narrow aspen]

We don't know for sure

At least on current rerun schedule, could be late this year, possibly even early 2025

[crude jetty]

nj alsace soyuz isnt even listed

[narrow aspen]

We'd have a better idea whenever Vanguard reruns

[crude jetty]

is it better than richi?

yeah miss vanguard aswell

[narrow aspen]

Good question, actually...
I'll leave that to the PvP nerds to answer bc I know NJ/Als/Soy is a LE meta thing, but I've never even seen this comp in Amagi yet

[crude jetty]

like i can also run fdj/nj/richi ... just not musashi

[hybrid agate]

Arse is in Tier 1, LilE comp is in the budget fleet. both musashi-less.

[fickle echo]

Richelieu can end fights faster than Musashi if you're specifically going against no Alsace fleets that use Fortune, NJ does better than Riche most of the time just because her skills need less RNG but she'll never do better than Musashi no matter the matchup

I think they didn't list the NJ version because there's no reason for anyone who has Musashi to use it and Riche can at least be a niche against FortM

[neon bronze]

[narrow aspen]

[coral wren]

I run this comp due to the Musashi-sized hole in my dock

It works perfectly fine, Musashi is just a better NJ

[narrow aspen]

[coral wren]

I'll sometimes put Soyuz as flag with WNT if I find the opp has a really strong burst comp but generally it plays the same as a Musashi fleet would

Yeah, her rerun is most likely by the end of the year, which sucks but hey, that's FOMO baby

[coral wren]

How the fuck is rank 1 Amagi 14 points ahead of rank 2

is bro from the future or smth

That's a crazy differential this early

If I full rush without bonuses I'm 1431, haven't lost a single round yet either

[floral wave]

bonuses

[stable dawn]

maybe there's cheaters on amagi

[neon bronze]

Yeah that kind of happens from time to time

Usually these kinds of rushers do it late into the set. Guess Angdraug wanted to bust early 🥵 💦

[lusty hill]

cheaters

oh wait he's lv 146 so not a cheater

[coral wren]

I'm mostly just impressed

I ate one +9 cause I was a dumbass but I couldn't get a +11 for the life of me for a minute there. If I capped out that guy would be 14 points ahead of me, 13 if I hadn't been 🐒

That's an impressive amount of bonuses gathered from his end

[stable dawn]

there's people out there who will hit 1480 this set at 5/10

[neon bronze]

Time to learn how to get more bonuses

there is a SHEET

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1112858401530204290/1119238649893113996/strangeosureact.gif

[coral wren]

Guess so yeah! Not much to do but get better

I mostly want to peek aotn, idrc for eos stuff so as long as I maintain a 100% wr that shouldn't be too hard

[stark ice]

If i rush in this situation i will be with 1465 pts because i looted too much extra points . Hello from Washy 👋.

But i skipped 2 attempts by accident ...

[coral wren]

If I currently rush I'll be rank 4 at 1483 points, but no point in doing that

Might as well scrooge what bonuses I can, every point helps in the aotn dream

[worldly rock]

why is the feather used over the golden steam catipult? Does the EVA really make that big of a difference?

[lusty hill]

in pvp yes

[narrow aspen]

Ye
A considerable difference in exchange for the miniscule AVI deficit

[lusty hill]

Should've mlb those ships

[reef sedge]

[finite fog]

?

what rule does that break?

[grim solar]

Didn't think that would break a rule but alr.

[reef sedge]

pretty obvious what it's meant to imply

[finite fog]

being vague is not going to help your case here

[reef sedge]

theres no case that needs helping do not post it again

[finite fog]

oh alright, don't post pvp defense fleets in pvp channel

[brazen socket]

Here is a hint: Check names first before sending.

[finite fog]

yeah how about making that clear when i ask about it

[reef sedge]

the message was not directed at you because you weren't the one that posted it

[finite fog]

exactly why i was confused

and wanted clarification

so i don't make the same mistake

[reef sedge]

[lusty hill]

what was it? I missed it

someone tell me

[serene epoch]

serenity moment

[lusty hill]

oh wait I remember

lol pvp is banned in pvp

[stark ice]

[neon bronze]

eva good on backline

allows your ships to dodge damage

[serene epoch]

I thought you left alo

[neon bronze]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/528197562998718474/979396532426117150/e415e307-99d3-4129-bcbc-f3e20064ac7a.gif

Vanguard good

just going to detach from ALO and helping out sometimes

can't be here forever

[stable dawn]

[velvet tapir]

Does anyome agree if the Exercise attempt refresh every midnight, 12 PM and 6 PM should be 10 instead of 5?

[lusty hill]

I think it does on some timezone

[trail temple]

Should move country to get ideal timezone for AL PvP

[steel coral]

just use VPN

[rich gulch]

what time does exercises attempts refreshes

[lusty hill]

00.00 on daily reset, 12 hours after daily reset, and 6 hours after the previous refresh

[trail temple]

Might want to specify that's in server time

[lusty hill]

Yeah it's server time

In my case it starts at 2pm

[floral wave]

no

[whole salmon]

Tbh, no

That still doesn’t fix the issue of unfavorable timezones

[neon bronze]

epic gaming

[lusty hill]

imagine if the reset was based on the local timezone instead of server timezone

[floral wave]

imagine if devs remembered this game mode exists

[stable dawn]

imagine

[coral wren]

That would be cool I think

So this is my medal collection, right?
"Yep"
And I can show up to 5 of my earned medals on my profile, yeah?
"Correct"
So if pvp ranks are given in the form of medals, they should also be able to be put on display, no?
"That makes sense to me"
So let me flex my highest pvp medal
"Current rank: Seaman"

[stable dawn]

pvp has changed once since I joined in 2019

and that was the rank icons/names

everything else is the same as back then

[coral wren]

I mean the fact it's an educated gambling gamemode because you realistically can't lose if your fleet is good says enough

[stable dawn]

I mean at least you can't buy attempts like in some games

[coral wren]

My braindead pvp takes:

• Let us store 15 exercises
• Quitting out of an exercise counts as a loss and refreshes your opponent page
• Remove bonus points

[stable dawn]

then pvp just becomes whoever logs in the fastest

[coral wren]

Not if you cant just reset at will anymore

Oh I got unlucky critted? Oh well, retry with 0 repercussions

[stable dawn]

using a strong fleet nets a super high WR anyway so not much changes except 100% becomes 95%

[fast trellis]

[stable dawn]

and the normal players with worse fleets will drop from like <50% to basically 0%

nothing actually changes except scores are lower across the board

[coral wren]

Yeah, but then that in turn could also incentivise noobs to try and learn pvp. It'll never happen though, pvp doesn't put money in the drawer so it won't get updates

[fickle echo]

The only update the devs would ever do to pvp is to remove it and replace with something else

[stable dawn]

wdym incentivise noobs. If you lose constantly you'd just not do the gamemode. That's what happens to f2p people in BA. They just ignore pvp unless they're super endgame.

[coral wren]

Which is fine? It's already a niche gamemode and if your only reaction to getting cockstomped is crying and not wanting to see how you can get better, your genes are weak

Won't survive the winter

[stable dawn]

I'm saying it'd make it even more niche than it already is

[coral wren]

Provided, fomo puts some hooks into that

It already sorta does. I'm getting by without Musashi and Jintsuu, but I'd objectively be stronger if I had both

[stable dawn]

tbh all they have to do is add gold plates to the shop and you will see a massive uptick in pvpers

but they'll never do that

[fickle echo]

Casual players would complain this game became p2w

[coral wren]

Gold plates in the shop would make me cum

Bulins are well and good but

[stable dawn]

casual players already complain about collab units being OP

[coral wren]

Guys, I can forgive the rampant double UR events, releasing URs tuned to a specific strength right after a world releases that requires a lot of that stat, being able to literally buy almost anything indirectly with money but... I draw the line at fucking PVPERS (derogatory) getting a few plates for building DISGUSTING p2w fleets

Ate 2 +9s to rush Admiral I'm a fucking dumbass icl

[stable dawn]

right now it can't really be p2w because there's nothing to win.

merit is really more like a participation award

[coral wren]

I want to be able to buy a "good job sport" star in the merit shop

Does nothing

Just sits there in your depot

[stable dawn]

I want guild leaderboards

[fickle echo]

You know what was the last change we had in PvP? DDGs getting nerfed

[stable dawn]

was that for pvp or just a global nerf

[coral wren]

Thank god, now Laffey 2 only feels like she has 3 healthbars instead of 5

[stable dawn]

laffey II isn't a DDG...

[coral wren]

I know, I just want to complain about Laffey 2

[stable dawn]

[fickle echo]

They changed the pvp modifiers for DDGs so it isn't something that affects other game modes

[stable dawn]

wtf one of the interns still looks at pvp code

we're not abandoned after all

[coral wren]

Would be cool if CV's weren't completely fucking dead in pvp

"B-but Aquila can still be used as a niche-" shut up

[fickle echo]

They probably only changed it because someone on CN complained about DDGs dodging all the planes from Aquila and instantly killing their vanguard aside from Ancho

[stable dawn]

historically inaccurate gamemode

[fickle echo]

Mafia was the meta when it happened

[stable dawn]

honestly the main issue with CVs is that they're just too slow. By the time one CV launches once (assuming not preload), a BB will be launching twice.

Literally just a game design flaw

[coral wren]

Yeah, burst always wins

[stable dawn]

It's ironic too because in the past we had very CV heavy metas

and the only BB was used to give buffs to said CVs (nagato)

[fickle echo]

Not only that, summons also have AA stat and planes target them with bombs/rockets

[stable dawn]

can you believe we used to wait like 25s at the start of every exercise just for CVs to launch

since preloads didn't exist

that's how long a full exercise is today

[coral wren]

A seasonal gamemode could be cool. Restrict certain things so metas dont get stale. In this season you can only use 1 bb max, Laffey 2 has been put in the guillotine for this season, Sakura Empire only, idk

[stable dawn]

we have CM at home

also getting stale is the name of the game

look at META fights

if you already have all metas unlocked, the only one left to fight is the newest which lasts for like 3-4 months and already really gets boring after the first month.

[fickle echo]

Banlists aren't really a good idea in a gacha game, even more for new players

[coral wren]

True I just want Laffey 2 executed, ignore me

[stable dawn]

use mogador

[coral wren]

Completely warps the entire game around her

[stable dawn]

[fickle echo]

Imagine a new player who only has 1-2 URs and both of them get banned for a month

[coral wren]

Missed chance to call it pogador

[stable dawn]

smh getting mogged

[fickle echo]

If we were back when slow CVs were used Mogador would be meta just to reveal them

[stable dawn]

a lot of ships are still very much pvp viable, they're just not like unkillable eldritch horror level busted

[fickle echo]

Nowadays we get so many ships that "would be PvP meta if released earlier"

[stable dawn]

felix is a legit substitute for laffey II

she's just less consistent due to the rotating eva buff

shima is very much usable

(until you encounter fortm)

NJ is still very good

(unless you already have a GoT fleet)

[fickle echo]

Felix can actually outlive Laffey2 if her evasion works, but sometimes it won't and she'll die at the start

[stable dawn]

I hope she gets a good fate sim

but that'll be in like 2 years when the game has already become even more power crept

[fickle echo]

Using pearl on Felix was a pain because it was never the right timing

[stable dawn]

pearl felix is about as good as pearl laff2

[coral wren]

[stable dawn]

funfact: if you use a shima team you can actually delete enemy Laffey IIs, but you will stumble and die against anything with fortm

so we are once again in a silly rock paper scissors situation

shima kills jun setups
jun kills fortm setups
fortm kills shima setups

[coral wren]

Alsace rofl lol lmao's over fortm tbf

[stable dawn]

preload isn't fast enough to prevent torps from being swept

because shima's torps are also preload

if we had like, a ship that did a double launch 5-10s after battle start

boom

torp meta is back

[fickle echo]

I'm using Shima ever since like 3 seasons ago and FortM is only a problem when Jintsuu misses or get killed by Alsace

[half silo]

Eos by then

[fickle echo]

Shima becomes a dead slot against FortM but it doesn't matter if FortM also dies at the start and JintM survives

We already got Soyuz, French UR and KMSless pr season in the same year, how close should be EoS?

[stable dawn]

eos hype

yamato and 3 iowas
game ends with a bang

[half silo]

yamato introduction
4 weeks later:
Dear User, following…“

[coral wren]

thanks

[stable dawn]

oh the emote is from the sheet's discord

I know because I made it myself

I have created quite a few emotes that should be considered war crimes

[indigo trench]

The jojo reference

[sturdy kraken]

those are some good emotes lol

[grim solar]

I feel like I should know this player.

Hmmm...

Wait is this Cleo?

[hollow walrus]

Cleo is Lexi

[velvet tapir]

The dive bombers in PVP from the Gear Labs literally does more damage than the Tenrai

[narrow aspen]

[gloomy sand]

probably your mom or something

(note the oaths on vanguard and sushi, with it the timings are tighter than butt clenching )

[floral wave]

ah yes, and you measured it how?

also theres a shitton of dive bombers in gear lab

[lusty hill]

which dive bomber

[brazen socket]

Specify and give your samples and testing to back up your claim

Along with math and comparisons

[floral wave]

triple 406 is better than triple 406

[half silo]

is pvp good for nakhimov?

[bright mauve]

Frankly I dont think pvp is good for anyone

[narrow aspen]

Word

[floral wave]

thats animal abuse

[half silo]

[serene epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/so-true-gif-24068595

[coral wren]

It's in your heaaaad, in your heaaaad

[lusty hill]

Why are you rushing

Is your sleep schedule passed 2 resets?

[coral wren]

Nah I tend to do 1-2 per long reset, fish a single +11, then see how realistic waiting on the next list is

Rn I'm just waiting for 9 pm to see which of these dudes move, hope I can snipe a +11 off one and then sit at 5/10 before bed

Hopefully get FA tomorrow

[whole salmon]

Don’t bother with that dude

He comes here to send 1 message take, doesn’t elaborate and doesn’t respond

I went through all of the gear lab ones and only Suisei 12A or Helldiver stood out

We do use Suisei 12A often but it is for speed instead

[brazen socket]

Report to me if this dude comes again and does this sort of bit
If he's making intentionally bad takes or some sort of pointless comment to spark reactions that is practically inciting.

@velvet tapir Take note.

[whole salmon]

The thing I’m excited about

And I think Ari as well

Is the new Twin 410mm for Musashi

We have been stuck on blue gun for far too long

[brazen socket]

Hopefully its not gonna mess with any timings

[whole salmon]

Inb4 we abandons the new gun due to it being bad or causes jamming

[brazen socket]

Soyuz should be too fast, alsace should be just right
Unless the gun is somehow faster than both so it becomes really really awkward

[grim solar]

Since some of us are getting a second AFCT soon, which BB would it fit best? Alsace or Soyuz?

[narrow aspen]

Alsace and Soyuz

< Crazy fellow who stopped using Musashi

[grim solar]

Would this be solid?

[narrow aspen]

I was joking
Honestly? I'd prob give AFCT to Musashi and Als in GoT comp
But reasonable people could disagree on this

[hybrid agate]

where are my WNT enjoyers at

[grim solar]

I'd put WnT there but I wanna be more aggressive.

[narrow aspen]

Granted, but my WNT is off-flag

[steel coral]

table goes to the one with the lowest accuracy

[gloomy sand]

no, give Musashi WNT to stabilize both on flag and off-flag
Rest is aight for poverty gearing

looking into future lmao. 2nd gay table will go on either Soyuz or Alsace depending on your preference with reduced spread

[grim solar]

Found the abdillah guy earlier.

[gloomy sand]

Regulations

[brazen socket]

Thoughts on daisen gun now that we have mine?

[whole salmon]

Slow

Slower than MK4, 457 and even the purple Twin 410

[brazen socket]

Our prayers were not answered

[whole salmon]

Slowest gold twin gun in the game

[gloomy sand]

Skill effect sounds interesting as all hell

Imagine a nerf to EVA to all the enemy fleet

[narrow aspen]

What skill effect?

[whole salmon]

Bayard

[gloomy sand]

On Daisen gun edit??

[whole salmon]

The only ship with pvp potential

[narrow aspen]

Ah

Nah, Idt Daisen gun has effect (or it's not in the mine)

[whole salmon]

Hmm? Daisen gun doesn’t have effect

[gloomy sand]

guess I read some other part of the datamine that I then associated with Daisen gun

[whole salmon]

Even Bayard only reduces Hit stat

Not hit rate

It only translate to like 4% hit rate

Still notable tho cus it might stack with Amagi

[narrow aspen]

Use slow guns on defence fleet to throw the attacker off
They'll be so confused that they'll overcap in their confusion

[whole salmon]

Tho most of us are more concerned with the skill

[versed geyser]

There's also Napoli potentially replacing Anchorage

[lusty hill]

Anchorage still good?

[versed geyser]

The stall comp of Anchorage/Juneau/Laffey II I think

[whole salmon]

Not really

Napoli’s smoke’s timings is an issue since it procs every 20 seconds, where literally no BB is firing

The other issue is she lacks Anchorage’s shield and invul

The third issue is that she is Heavy armor

[gloomy sand]

Burst her down

Epic

[deft escarp]

Is Nakhimov not tanky enough for the meta?

[boreal comet]

She's a CV

[deft escarp]

I thought Kearsarge was the main reason why CVs died

Nvm

[late heath]

Kashino is why CV died, she’s too good

[serene epoch]

Kearsarge was not even T0 meta, we had Musashi/NJ/Hiryuu domination until LaffII release. She destroyed CVs.

[deft escarp]

Wasn't Hiryuu used for her invul?

[serene epoch]

Yes, because only she could survive jintme+shima preload torps

[deft escarp]

[serene epoch]

Its also reason why NJ had to use manjuu

And sushi is just super tanky

[deft escarp]

That's like one CV lol

[serene epoch]

Yes, but when opponent have hiryuu you need to have your own hiryuu who can survive torp shotgun and spotlight enemy hiryuu

And while Aquila can do it with preload, she also would die after 1 strike, Hiryuu thx to her absurdly long invul were guaranteed to land 2 strikes

[deft escarp]

I thought you could simply use Kear, Musashi and NJ or something

Since FortuneM was also out at that time

[gloomy sand]

2 invul more popular back then

Given how explosive JintM and co. became, it'd become the most popular comp

[serene epoch]

Kear was good, but now good enough, slow reload, could fail to survive faster battleships, her barrage is timed at 20s mark, also iirc 4 planes was not enough to guarantee spot CV, and problem with using both NJ+Kear - you have only 1 manjuu
Same goes to Fortme - she will save you 95% of times, but then you will get shatered when she misses her swipe

[gloomy sand]

Comps with Manjuu as the only invul item thus were at a significant disadvantage

plus pvper just lazy and/or uncreative and use meta fleet for everything unless for testing.

[serene epoch]

Yep, that's why we abandoned idea or rock-paper-scissors and just run fortme comp all time

The most reliable solution — always best.

Disclaimer for newbies: whatever was written here in past half hour is about long forgotten meta and should not be used in current state of game

[gloomy sand]

last year meta is long forgotten, guys

[serene epoch]

Hey it was half year and I'm just glad I'm still alive
And we had 2 meta shits already so yeah long time

[fickle echo]

R.I.P people outside discord

[stable dawn]

is it time for a new tier list from ALM?

[long terrace]

Is alsace good in pvp?

[grim solar]

Top tier.

Check pins.

[long terrace]

Can i go ancorage-laff2-unzen for vanguard?

[gloomy sand]

Yes. Now that mk7 is a Perma gear now in Gear Lab, it is best gun on her. Quite costly though but it'll pay off big time

Alsace's job is to apply HE and take down the frontliners in meta, which are all light/medium armor.

[long terrace]

Is sovetz-alsace-bis2 for main vaiable?

[gloomy sand]

Ancho Laff-II Juneau might be a more stable option. Attitudes towards Unzen aren't quite kind here in PvP

[gloomy sand]

hmm, BisZwei is way too squishy nowadays. Got NJ and/or Richelieu? They are better options with a place in the meta comps

[long terrace]

Ah ok.

[coral wren]

Unzen dies in half a quarter of a nanosecond

So does Juneau but at least Juneau is useful when she dies

[coral wren]

Real, pretty funny when she dies with her dragon left all alone up front

[gritty quiver]

im running soy sushi nj as backline, does alsace replace anyone or is it fine to leave it

i havent been following meta so im just doing whatever works

[narrow aspen]

If it works, it works tbh
Alsace can replace NJ if you like

[gloomy sand]

well it still works

though I would recommend changing the frontline. FortM is dying due to Alsace w/ HE

Top options include some mix of Laffey II, JintM, Juneau, Shima, Ancho

as always you can refer to the Sheet for the tiered comps and doing your own decisions

[gritty quiver]

what frontline

i just run laffii shima ancho

i cba with meta ships and i skipped jintm

[hybrid agate]

Juneau is back to stall Alsace comps, you can replace shima with Juneau-kai

and put Manjuu on Laffii

[light crystal]

I had to drop FortuneMeta. She was good before, but now that everyone is running triple UR BB's (Soy/Alc/Mus), need more meat on the VG

I'm running Mus/NJ/VG, JinM/L2/JN

[lusty hill]

[trail temple]

Took you a while

[gloomy sand]

using insurance

bring back shima

[serene epoch]

[gloomy sand]

🍿

[coral wren]

W boss. Gl to the eos lads

[versed geyser]

Mhm, gl

[winged depot]

[abstract cove]

Ngl, there's a pretty good equipment for JN I found that seems to be pretty good in timing her "death"

[narrow aspen]

We're meant to time her death in PvP?

[abstract cove]

I think it was a collab item?

[narrow aspen]

Ah the Cyanide towel

[abstract cove]

It negates the first few damage instances, reducing her damage taken for a bit

By the time your backline takes more damage, only then does she proc her ability for maximum value

I place her in slot 3 (off tank) as well, to "smooth" out the damage taken

[narrow aspen]

[abstract cove]

Yes, I am meta

But very cancerous meta as well

L2 is so f*cking tanky it's ridiculous

Also, maybe it's just me, but I find this to be more steady on Alasce instead of the 457 ngl

Because I hardly ever see Ala ever get a second salvo off (excluding her preload) even using 457, by the time the backline fires, either the enemy backline is eradicated (or at least 2 have sunk) or she's already sunk

[narrow aspen]

Thought you're meant to use Mk 7 on Als in GoT

[brazen socket]

457/mk7 works either way iirc, but mk7 better to slap jn/fort

[abstract cove]

I guess I'm the odd one out then

Maybe it's just the opponents I'm up against

[narrow aspen]

Haven't looked into it myself yet tbh
I'm still memeing with my fleet
Maybe next season I'll try something more serious

[abstract cove]

I think the main reason is that because of Sov, a single reload eradicates the enemy vanguard anyway (minus L2)

And because at that time, Mus is already firing, the vanguard gets fully paralyzed and eats all the 410 shells anyway

That 0.3s is enough to prevent the reload blocking from BBs

Of course, it's not an exact 0.3s because of the other reload bonuses from their skills

And by the time Ala gets to fire, the vanguard is pretty much destroyed, and more often fires at the backline (sure a salvo might target the solo remaining L2, but most of the other shots go to the backline)

[narrow aspen]

[versed geyser]

Yeah if you are up against opponents that use Anchorage/Juneau/Laffey you are probably better off using an AP gun, because preload shot to vanguard is often will be evaded due to smoke screen

[coral wren]

Is there any up to date pvp guide?

Or is the one from the pins from a year ago still valid

[finite fog]

the one from the pins is frequently updated

[gloomy sand]

Yes and yes; 2 of the 3 guys that update it are still around and kicking

[coral wren]

Thanks guys

[trail temple]

The spreadsheet does tell you when it was last updated

[grim solar]

Top 10 again.

[narrow aspen]

[lusty hill]

congrats

[junior trench]

So, since the game doesn’t want me to do good in PvP so I couldn’t manage to get Alsace and the Russian BB. Is Vanguard still good enough to go for to help out, or is she too outdated?

[finite fog]

fine if you're not chasing super high rank

[junior trench]

I mean…

Not real sure if I can do that with my options anyway

[violet violet]

What is "boiler meta" and what speed I should aim for if its actually relevant?

[narrow aspen]

Just means you want your vanguard to have some speed to it, because being able to zoom out of the way of enemy ordnance can really help to keep it alive

I can't remember the thresholds to shoot for but something like 45-55 should be close

For reference, my vanguard hits 50.8

[violet violet]

So its good to have DD to equip boiler to boost vanguard speed closer to 50 (instead of taking another repair kit for HP)?

[narrow aspen]

In PvP, yes
Contrary to PvE, toolkits are basically never used (on the serious fleets, at least)

[junior trench]

PvP is more about how quickly you can kill someone else, rather than trying to stay alive for 6 battles in a row. Toolkits heal way too slowly for PvP.

[gloomy sand]

More speed is good. Its asking for the thresholds that depends on who u r talking to

For pre-Soyuz meta, the CN side thresholds were 48-55 avg. speed w/ Beaver Badge. And it still worked in my experience running meta fleets pre-Alsace

Reasoning is bcs you want that speed to counter BB salvos, since Ancho can't fully counter them. Especially as the meta frontliners traded survivability w/ more damage

Some others prefer a range of 40 to 45 speed, which is fine ig.

Nowadays people have been using frontlines with speeds less than that of what I subscribed to which worked out fine... Atm you'll still see one boiler here and there.

[gloomy sand]

Just Laff-II and probably Felix Schultz. All the other DDs nowadays go full damage + Pearl

fyi the current top frontline comp has 46 average speed. And in practice it worked good

[violet violet]

I don't even have those ships yet. Just wanted to learn if boilers might be useful. What com lvl you think is minimum requirement to even try climbing past captain? (Little E)

[fickle echo]

Level doesn't matter, what matters is if you have enough resources to get any 6 ships to level 125 and equip them with gear all at +10 or higher

[gloomy sand]

Very much; Ancho - ~~JintM/~~Shima/Harbin - Juneau is a past meta frontline comp that still does well. You'll be using 3 Boilers at most

[fickle echo]

If you unlocked all the special gear from collection (except for nelson flag and frontier medal that doesn't matter anymore for PvP) and can build the things from gearlab and has some decent PvP ships it's easy to reach top 100 on LE

[gloomy sand]

[zinc phoenix]

Nice selection of names

[grim solar]

Oh hey it's Pilica.

[narrow aspen]

[gloomy sand]

guys on the left bag, guys on the right bust

jason bourn may be a bonus

[lusty hill]

Deathk alive

[narrow aspen]

Always has been
(In AL at least)

[fickle echo]

He only died on discord

[gloomy sand]

🅱️ilica not lvl 150... is he even a real gamer

[grim solar]

Not even AotN too.

😔

[gloomy sand]

hey dpnt throw shade at newgen pvper

we lose sleep for ingame point

[narrow aspen]

What are you talking about, I got AotN like two days ago

[narrow aspen]

Nah, just a filthy casual

[gloomy sand]

Casual

[lusty hill]

pilica is alm

[narrow aspen]

:god::god::god:

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