pvp

[stable dawn]

[lusty hill]

shima have place on my fleet

and I'm doing fine

[winged depot]

oh really now

[stable dawn]

if you're doing fine, why do you lose

[glass mist]

Do we know if Jintsuu Meta will come back?

Like for a rerun

[serene epoch]

Wait for dossier

somewhere between september and january ig

[glass mist]

I see, thanks

[gloomy sand]

can try Juneau lol

[lusty hill]

will the new barrage gun bring shimakaze to meta again

[finite fog]

don't be fooled guys

[lusty hill]

would you guys provide real answer if it wasn't me that asked

[finite fog]

no

[lusty hill]

:ranchSexCalm:

[narrow aspen]

How can we answer when we literally haven't even begun our maint yet? :serenity:

[gloomy sand]

That new gun is 80 mm calibers. 8 cm if you are so inclined

Let's say there is a cylinder of that length, with a reasonable width

If it fits. It's meta

[trail temple]

🤏

[lusty hill]

Is that the diameter or radius?

[serene epoch]

It's always diameter

[grand jewel]

Any pvp changes during this past 4 months? I just came back 2 weeks ago and didn't realize PvP changes

[hybrid agate]

Soyuz came home, you can check the pinned doc for the changes.

[grand jewel]

Alright thx

[brazen socket]

thoughts on this gun?

the new gold gear lab gun

[versed geyser]

Why does the "paper" vanguard not work any more in meta given Fortune Meta is no longer in meta?

[keen silo]

sizable amount of ppl using fortune

[versed geyser]

But doesn't Alsace hard counter her?

[brazen socket]

That is assuming her barrages land and melt the vanguard

But that shouldn't be too hard

[keen silo]

aint no way bro said hard counter

nothing in pvp is hard counter

attacker advantage is the hard counter

[brazen socket]

isnt jintsuu technically a hard counter to anchorage

[keen silo]

aint no way

ancho is just bad cus no cv is in meta

[versed geyser]

Sorry, just "counter"

[brazen socket]

that was meant as a joke

[keen silo]

yea sure i can understand ur amazing sense of humour bro

[brazen socket]

Ah sorry for trying to be friendly and poking fun at you, I had no idea I shouldn't be all sunshine and rainbows

I'll take note of that next time, thanks

[keen silo]

aint no way cuh

[whole salmon]

Good

Use it

[brazen socket]

Alright alright

[whole salmon]

Whether you +13 or not is up to you

But I don’t think it makes too much if a difference

So keeping it at +10 is fine

[boreal comet]

I crafted that gun before mk7

[serene epoch]

new bis for scylla

[whole salmon]

The best thing this patch is the oath pack

Took a while but Soyuz finally oathed

No more jamming thank god

[boreal comet]

Obviously Musashi oath skin is the best since using it immediately makes her do 200% more damage

[brazen socket]

oathing soyuz would be easier if her release skin wasnt so mid

[half silo]

obviously p2w game mode

[boreal comet]

Skill based game mode

[stable dawn]

it's because laffey II exists

[late heath]

Kashino II will counter Laffey II once she come out

[light crystal]

People use Alsace?

[uneven sphinx]

is it like Kashino II will be like 2x the bonkers?

[light crystal]

Fortune has been doing consistent for me.

[late heath]

she will also come with Lil Kashino

[uneven sphinx]

im lowkey enjoying alsace + mogador on exercise

breath of new fresh air

[boreal comet]

Mogadoro

[uneven sphinx]

I put 2 boilers on her and shes like a suicidal speed maniac

[opal crescent]

best exercise fleet?

[uneven sphinx]

Is that all?

I mean slide down the slider to see tbe other ships

alsace, soyuz and enty for backline

[boreal parcel]

I'm having a lot of fun with this fleet in exercises. They even beat the Jintsuu/Laffey/Fortune combo

[narrow aspen]

[boreal comet]

Mogadoro detected

[hearty hedge]

Who's the last girl? The white hair beauty on the vanguard

[boreal parcel]

You mean Marseillaise?

[hearty hedge]

Oo that's the actual name? Lol OK thx

[boreal parcel]

Yeah, I only renamed Brest. Marcille kinda fits her and all vanguard girls' names start with M

[hearty hedge]

Ahh that girl is only available during an event right?

[boreal parcel]

Correct. That event just before Fool's Scales

[opal crescent]

those are my only leveled ships

[opal crescent]

can someone suggest the vanguard as well

[grim solar]

Do you have anyone else in your fleet?

[opal crescent]

wdym

[grim solar]

Hold on I need to check the list.

Yeah there's not a lot here to work with. You can make do with Portland Kai and Helena Kai but I'm not sure who else can fill the 3rd slot.

[opal crescent]

is portland better than fc for pvp

[grim solar]

That I'm not sure.

[finite fog]

soy, alsace, enty?/fc, javelin, kazagumo

[opal crescent]

aight ty

[finite fog]

should be fine for lil e

also check the google docs guide in the pins if you want something more in depth

and ships to work towards

[opal crescent]

alright will check it out ty

[trail temple]

Don't recall Hood's reload but iirc her barrage does buff reload. Honestly Hood is terrible but the gimmick might work. Idk, I am just cooking

[gloomy sand]

lool honestly you can try with Hood - Soyuz - Alsace lmaooo

[gloomy sand]

Who's FC

Well you can do Anchorage (in Pr4) - Torp option - Juneau Retrofit for your frontline

[opal crescent]

juneau good anywhere other than exercise?

[steep fog]

Budget aa ship for w13/h maybe

[gloomy sand]

Yeah, she has good AA

Remember, Sandy's her sister and we all know how she's Numba wan

[lusty hill]

Her reload buff is equal to howe but it also affect CV

[trail temple]

And Howe's is timed

Doesn't look equal to me

[gloomy sand]

@opal crescent did you get your copy of 457mm from the Protocore shop?

Or do OpSi

[lusty hill]

Huh hood is higher

I remember they have the same % buff

https://tenor.com/view/cat-brain-damage-funny-gif-9567713795855473020

[opal crescent]

idk what that is

do i have to buy all 50 copies

[fickle echo]

Rainbow BB gun from the same shop you get the UR Bulin

You need 50 prints to craft it so unless you try to get some from PR2 research you'll have to buy all them

[opal crescent]

aight got it

who do i giev it to

[fickle echo]

Your strongest BB

[opal crescent]

who is stronger

alsace or soyuz?

[fickle echo]

Soyuz, for Alsace you can use a HE gun and she'll still do well

[opal crescent]

whats HE gun

i think i should put some good gear on my ships now i still have random purple guns on them

[fickle echo]

Ammo type, it can check it on the description of each gun

[opal crescent]

okay

[fickle echo]

Guns usually use normal, AP or HE ammo

[opal crescent]

any he gun works?

[gloomy sand]

406mk6 is good on Alsace here

[opal crescent]

how do you choose secondary guns btw

any random gun works?

[gloomy sand]

cl or dd gun with high range

well it exists in ingame stats of gun

[opal crescent]

type1ap shell and super heavy shell for auxes on both soyuz and alsace?

[fickle echo]

The best one would be this rainbow one from gearlab but you can use the purple one as budget until you're able to craft the rainbow

[opal crescent]

aight

also can i choose any random gun for aa as well

[fickle echo]

The gun at the right end is the best one, if you have the materials you should craft 3 of this

[opal crescent]

okay thanks

btw why he for alsace and ap for soyuz

sorry for asking too many questions

[fickle echo]

Use this one for BBs if you have it because it gives them extra hit

[fickle echo]

Because Alsace has preload and burn skills so it makes her able to kill vanguards ship faster because they take more damage from HE ammo

[opal crescent]

oh

[fickle echo]

Otherwise you usually use AP to do more damage to main fleet ships

[opal crescent]

what abt this

[whole salmon]

No

HPFCR is a must

[opal crescent]

whats that

[fickle echo]

This

You get prints from priority research

[whole salmon]

High Performance Fire Control Radar

[opal crescent]

i only have 1

[whole salmon]

This is a must in pvp

[fickle echo]

For now give it to Soyuz

[whole salmon]

Yea Soyuz takes priority

[opal crescent]

alr ty

[fickle echo]

For the other auxiliary you should use this, if you didn't unlock it yet you can use SG radar instead

[opal crescent]

okay

[uneven sphinx]

its been 2 yrs since Vanguard Event

i want another one

[trail temple]

It's the next UR event to be rerun

Pretty sure we just had Kron

[lusty hill]

farmable sea hornet :god:

[stable dawn]

isn't rondo at rainbow's end going to rerun first?

Seydlitz returning

[finite fog]

seyd

[narrow aspen]

[steel coral]

just in time for right after alsace

[trail temple]

Seydlitz isn't a UR, I was referring to the next UR event rerin

[lusty hill]

Seydlitz zwei soon

[narrow aspen]

We already have her, she's Weser

[fading isle]

and also Lutzow

[lusty hill]

lutzow deserve better

imagine if she has high damage and stronger barrage

the lutzow seyd duo will be unstoppable

[narrow aspen]

[winged depot]

[lusty hill]

imagine if seyd has on fire barrage and lutzow critical skill has 70% proc

lutzow was robbed

[winged depot]

relax, we need some air too stop huffing it all

[fading isle]

[stark ice]

[narrow aspen]

[shell raft]

[wicked surge]

I didn't even need to click in his profile to know it was serenity

[boreal comet]

She got an oath skin if that matters

[lusty hill]

Wtf are you doing here

[gloomy sand]

大明佩琪

[lusty hill]

You don't even pvp

[wicked surge]

I still have a meta defense fleet , need to maintain that

[lusty hill]

[wicked surge]

[boreal comet]

https://tenor.com/view/curse-of-set-curse-of-ra-curse-pharaoh's-curse-sand-gif-770168623807474523

[sour pawn]

Anyone else tested Alsace in PvP yet? From what I've tried her damage seems diabloically bad and is just a weaker version of what Aquila is

I'm presuming she's shit because I've not seen her in a single defence fleet yet either

[foggy whale]

[lusty hill]

:ranchSexDoorPeek:

God give me the serenity to accept this person opinion

[sour pawn]

I mean, is she not? I gave her a try with 15 exercises today and couldn't get her above 15k dmg in a single fight

She has 0 survivability because of her low hp, and faction, the preload would be lucky to break the 10k dmg mark, if she ever fired at the VG it would do 0 dmg because they move too fast. So she falls over eassily and has a high chance of doing 0, seems pretty bad imho

[lusty hill]

can you show your fleet

and what kind of fleet you usually fight and how much you losses if any

[sour pawn]

Well i'm not currently snadbagging so I keep hitting rank 1 atm, I can't remember the last time I actually lost a battle

I’d usually have Aquila over Alsace

She does average 20-30k to non ancho fleets and doesn’t die to BB salvo which is much better

Then what Alsace does

[foggy whale]

What gear?

[sour pawn]

For who?

Im presuming you mean alsace?

[foggy whale]

Yes

And you have her skills close to max?

[sour pawn]

I tried both this gun and the NJ gun. One for high preloads and the other for faster second salvo

The NJ gun did slightly better as she never got the opportunity to fire her non preloaded salvo

I just realised I forgot augment but oh well

That’s not gonna change much

[foggy whale]

Use the twin 137 mk 1 for her secondary, STAAG for AA, and ditch the shells. You need +evasion auxes

[sour pawn]

Then whats the point of using her over Aquila if I gotta run eva aux on her? She'll do even less then she already does with her preloaded salvo

[lusty hill]

all BB want eva aux

usually beaver or sg radar

fairy poster for soyuz

[sour pawn]

I have beaver and poster for Soyuz

[sour pawn]

And HPFCR with damage control on NJ

They atleast survive and do dmg

And aquila doesnt get fired at so she gets 2 guaranteed strikes off a match

And with the fact they shoot at my other 2 BBs is even better as they can take it

I dont think Alsace can deal with that

Even with 2 eva auxes

Unless I'm missing something idk

[lusty hill]

what you said is perfectly logical

but alsace role is to kill the vanguard with mk7 and burn

[sour pawn]

How do you get her salvos to actually hit the faster meta VGs?

[lusty hill]

also I use alsace and have no problem defeating an aquila fleet so using aquila probably isn't ideal

[sour pawn]

Eh I just use her because I don't like Hiryuu and I don't have Sushi so

And she gets the job done well

[lusty hill]

idk maybe someone better than me can explain it better

[trail temple]

Nah, keep going Serenity, you're doing great

[finite fog]

https://tenor.com/view/blind-men-leading-the-way-fall-water-fishing-gif-14556846

[serene epoch]

your gear trash, get better

🚮

[sour pawn]

I mean gimme a gearset I can try for tomorrow morning and I'll see how it goes

[lusty hill]

~~I hope this wasn't addresed to me ~~

[boreal comet]

The Anson curse is real

[serene epoch]

try to use your last brain cell and look in pinned sheet

[lusty hill]

[brazen socket]

people prefer mk7 to aim to melt frontline

but 457/mk7 work either way

[sour pawn]

I mean yeah I gave them both a try, but I still don't see how she hits the fast VGs with her salvos

[brazen socket]

she just does

I've tested her a couple of times, she hits vanguard a lot of the time and melts their fortune

[sour pawn]

Is fortune really an issue though? She just kinda falls over from torps already

[brazen socket]

Shes still slashing away the torpedos, alsace also blasts juneau and jintsuu

[finite fog]

there's like 3 good fleets total on sandy, his data is obviously skewed

[brazen socket]

oh right they're on sandy

[boreal comet]

Juneau has a heal so she's more useful, Fortune can just get deleted by Alsace and end up doing nothing

[sour pawn]

I’ll just run this then and see what happens tomorrow

[brazen socket]

^ Juneau is important especially if the enemy has enemy alsace

[sour pawn]

I’ve not seen a single Alsace yet or Juneau return

[trail temple]

Fortune technically heals too, through pearl tears, it's when she dies early that the healing is wasted

[trail temple]

#justsandythingz

[brazen socket]

That's more of your servers issue

[boreal comet]

Low ladder gaming

[sour pawn]

Why what’s wrong with Sandy?

[lusty hill]

does he know

[sour pawn]

And hey I’m currently rank 1 thanks, just not sandbagging so stuck there

[brazen socket]

Sandy server gives the least fucks about pvp

[finite fog]

actually, i count 8 alsace fleets

but only 3 of them are actually good

the rest are probably improperly geared

[boreal comet]

If everyone in sandy turns into 1tonight

[brazen socket]

Compared to other servers, sandy pvp presence is about as alive as amagi in the story

wait no amagi will probably get revived, disregard that
sandy pvp is just ded

[trail temple]

Amagi is more alive than Washy

[finite fog]

only like 3/10 of sandy baggers actually give a shit

[trail temple]

Js

[finite fog]

the rest kinda just bag when they feel like it

[serene epoch]

not amagi server, amagi ship

like in al story

free joke explanation service

[brazen socket]

By the way, alsace mark is random right

in pvp

[sour pawn]

Well glad my PvP battles one Sandy are so easy lol, and can get AoTN when I cba bagging and just rush on day

[trail temple]

Forgive me,

Pvp brainrot is real

[sour pawn]

But tbh that would explain why I felt like when I tried bagging it was difficult as no one ever did battles and it was just frustrating

Especially at the start of a season

[finite fog]

oh, you're meant to rush the first couple of days

because there's too many people randomly dying/they play to get their mission rewards then just stop

[hexed iron]

What aux do I run for lead Laffey?

Was thinking Manjuu and Black torp but I'm not sure if Manjuu is enough.

Doing the Musashi/Alsace/Soyuz backline so no NJ

[fickle echo]

Use boiler and Manjuu

[hexed iron]

Aight

[late heath]

Tested out Alsace lately, Kashino is better

[brazen socket]

can kashino beat kashino tho

[trail temple]

Yes

[late heath]

yes

[half silo]

depends on gear no?

also wait for kashino II

[lusty hill]

What kind of gear kashino want?

Or is it better to wait for UR supply

[sour pawn]

Well there were the fights she did more then 4-5k dmg, and the stuff above 15k was against Ancho VG fleets, I might just use her for Ancho fleets then and keep her benched rest of the time. Also saw 3 Alsaces with the 10 exercises, so did go from 0% to 30%

[uneven sphinx]

Juneau and Anchorage back in meta? What a time to be alive

Hahaha

[grim solar]

Wasn't Ancho always in the meta?

[sour pawn]

Not really, she lost a lot once torp meme came a thing and Aquila stopped being used as much

[lusty hill]

only juneau not ancho

[grim solar]

Anything here worth changing?
Specifically for the backline loadout and the vanguard auxes.

Additional setups for these two.

[gloomy sand]

uh, Alsace's preload is from a skill so just use HSFCR, it affects the first set of salvos afterwards
Can replace White shell with it
Soyuz and Alsace want Twin 137 for blazing opponent frontline. Good range and 360 degrees to shoot everyone
Manjuu on Laffey II for the survivability. Replaces Black Torp aux, I prefer speed and HP on her

all the frontline can use either STAAG or UR AA gun

[brazen socket]

She's fallen off ever since jintsuu meta snaked her way in and when cvs also stopped being used

[grim solar]

Yeah but wasn't she always used against FortuneM?
She's like the counterpick, no?

[brazen socket]

sometimes but it's not very consistent, I haven't seen anybody here use ancho at all outside people with no current options

ancho just goes kaboom

[gloomy sand]

though with the possibilities of CVs returning due to stall frontlines coming back I'd rather prefer the UR AA gun

[gloomy sand]

Alsace with HE now counters FortM, bursting her down with HE and burns

[grim solar]

I meant like in pre-Alsace metas.

[grim solar]

What about Manjuu replacing Wirbel Luft? I want the black torp there since I prefer a more aggressive playstyle.

[gloomy sand]

By all means, do so. Can give it to Juneau as well, replacing torp bulge

though I'm not sure sacrificing torp bulge for an increase in speed is worth it

[grim solar]

[trail temple]

Tbh, Laffey does good enough torp damage without the black torp, going double defensive aux with laffey is just significantly better

[gloomy sand]

oh, give juneau a Sextuple AA or UR AA gun as well. Best to cover for any CV shenanigans during your fights

and put Wirbel back

[grim solar]

Are the Alizarin/Cyanidin towels any viable in the current meta?

[brazen socket]

would've been great on fortune but since fortune is slowly being burnt out due to alsace

Fortune would still be great to use on non-alsace comps I think

[grim solar]

Wait I just realized, we're not in the Rock-Paper-Scissors system anymore. Holy shit Torpmemes is back.

[brazen socket]

Ehh

is it technically torp meme when the only one remaining is jintsuu

not to discount how strong jintsuu is though since she can stand alone

[grim solar]

Talking about this one btw.

[brazen socket]

oh

yeah

oh I did not notice stall vanguards are actually coming back, guess alsace made that many waves

[grim solar]

Next thing you know, the Shinaryuu stall comp comes back to life.

[uneven sphinx]

well Ancho is back in the 2nd vanguard fleet on that spreadsheet though

[lusty hill]

https://tenor.com/view/clueless-gif-24395495

[late heath]

If we stall long enough, we can have enterprise + Kashino meta once again

[last swan]

Is this how pvp now?

[grim solar]

Remove Shimakaze and Mogador then replace them with JintsuuM and Juneau and that's the meta.

[gloomy sand]

Backline is the new best, with a lot of gearing options

[lusty hill]

moggers

[grim solar]

How do you actually counter GoT with the standard vanguard?

Stall?

[gloomy sand]

Mirroring gives you the best chances

[boreal comet]

https://tenor.com/view/curse-of-set-curse-of-ra-curse-pharaoh's-curse-sand-gif-770168623807474523

[fading isle]

[coral wren]

[boreal comet]

It is written in the ancient google doc that people who sandbag get the curse of set

[long barn]

so... New Jersey has finally been replaced? by Alsace?

[gloomy sand]

Her (Alsace) cursed energy output is way better than NJ's

Very flexible gun choices as well, depending on how you want your matches to go

[lusty hill]

:alSUS:

[lusty hill]

very cute

reminds me of janus

[wicked surge]

Isn't NJ's first 20 second output higher then Alsace , especially since you can't proc her skill before preload

[gloomy sand]

alsace literally has a preload

she could snipe anyone depending on the main gun you put on alsace

[wicked surge]

It's none buffed though , pretty sure yummy did the math and unless you hold her preload and wait for buff to proc she will do less

[finite fog]

isn't yummy pve

[gloomy sand]

well pvp is different environment than pve. not everything has to get buffed by skill or smth

simply outputting salvos is valuable

[wicked surge]

[fickle echo]

Do you mean the debuff from the first skill? Assuming the text is correct it should be active everytime she fires her barrage since it has the exact same conditions to trigger

[narrow aspen]

Can confirm the debuff definitely fires off with her preload

You can see it after all, it has a unique marker (halo at the target's feet)

[fading isle]

Just not permanent

[gloomy sand]

HOLY FEET

[narrow aspen]

[narrow aspen]

Ye
But I personally wouldn't harp on that given the intervals at which burst damage comes out in PvP

[fading isle]

[grim solar]

Yo.

Has anyone tried torpmemes against GoT comps?

Running into a few already and I'm tempted to run full torp just to avoid a slugfest each time.

Takes like 2-3 tries just to beat a mirror match up.

[narrow aspen]

God, Avrora is a terrifying place
I've seen only one GoT comp in Amagi so far

[gloomy sand]

from which one

[grim solar]

I've run into like 5 today (morning + reset).

[fading isle]

Which one is GoT again?

[gloomy sand]

Sushi Alsace Soyuz

[grim solar]

The new top tier comp.
Sushi, Alsace, Soyuz/LaffII, JintM, Juneau.

[narrow aspen]

Azenfyre iirc
(not fully oathed though)

Actually, on inspection, not oathed at all

[gloomy sand]

mine's just partially oathed

i'm poor

[fading isle]

Juneau again?

[grim solar]

Yeah.

Alsace destroyed FortuneM.

[narrow aspen]

The Return of the King (Queen)

[grim solar]

Well, not really since FortuneM is still useful vs torpmemes.

[fading isle]

Isnt both light armor? What makes juneau better? Is she carrying manjuu?

[half silo]

heal

[narrow aspen]

Full justification is in the PvP sheet
Basic idea is to try and provide some stability for what has become quite a volatile meta
Helped by the fact that Juneau dying at least does her job, whereas FortM ceases to do her job when dead

[gloomy sand]

well yeah, but juneau has the heal on death and the bulk if you prefer to gear her that way
manjuu is now on laffey ii most of the time

[fading isle]

Ooh

[fickle echo]

If FortuneM dies before JintsuuM on the other side is dead it means she's being useless because she's only used to make the backline survive JintsuuM

[reef loom]

what is the current most consistant pvp team

[gloomy sand]

Musashi Alsace Soyuz - Laff-ii JintM Juneau

gearing, explanation and other fleets available on the sheet pinned here

[versed geyser]

I've seen 2

[versed geyser]

There are more (fully oathed as well)

Somebody is also running this comp as well (fully oathed)

[lusty hill]

Richie

[finite fog]

hmm i wonder who pilica is

[versed geyser]

I wonder as well

[lusty hill]

it's me

oh wait lmao

[finite fog]

[lusty hill]

he uses richie

bruh lmao

why

[finite fog]

idk

he's right here

ask him

[lusty hill]

@narrow aspen explain yourself

:ranchSexGun:

[versed geyser]

It's a T1 comp apparently

[lusty hill]

huh

I remember exactly when people call me stupid for saying preload will be meta

and now richie is on the tierlist

[finite fog]

t1 is not meta

[lusty hill]

it is

if you guys think it isn't then there's no reason to list it on the tierlist

[finite fog]

maybe, but it's a far cry from when we had several t0 fleets

also

[brazen socket]

Is it worth it to run fortune meta if enemy fleet doesn't have alsace and running a full trp frontline?

[finite fog]

only if you're struggling i think

if you run the standard t0 comp though, you should be able to obliterate everything

[brazen socket]

mm alright

Oh wow it did obliterate everything

though juneau died too early

[finite fog]

if juneau dies too early, you can try run wnt active

that worked well for me

[gloomy sand]

first mirror fight

[fickle echo]

https://youtu.be/CZ6SsS0FpDQ?si=AjPWaNNZuiEi_zSy

[brazen socket]

WAIT THATS ME

[fickle echo]

You're the only fleet with decent gear and Manjuu I could find after I accidentally beat Shal

[grim solar]

Hmmm, what did you think of this comp vs GoT?

[fickle echo]

Hit torps=all enemies die
Don't hit any torps=your ships die

[steel coral]

we're so back

[grim solar]

Fuck it I'll take that rng over a slug fest anyday.

[lusty hill]

you should put jintsuu tank and laffey offtank

[fickle echo]

I already tried it before and if you're against Alsace Laffey2 will lose the same hp and Jintsuu will die at the start

[lusty hill]

[narrow aspen]

Explain what, I already explained why I'm using this halfway joke comp elsewhere...

(I mean, apart from me using halfway joke comps in PvP as a matter of course, really )

[gloomy sand]

see mover
They have t0 fleet, can do mirror match
Laffey is not MLB

:ca:

said Laffey is the last to die lol

[narrow aspen]

[trail temple]

Laffey also not oathed nor max level

[lusty hill]

pretty sure 0lb laffey2 is just as tanky as mlb

:ranchSexCalm:

[floral wave]

more hp no help yes?

[lusty hill]

pretty sure hp isn't affected by limit break

only weapon efficiency and main gun mount

[steep fog]

I missed jinm, whats the replacement then, still coping with 2lb jinm in dock lol

Just returned to the game back then

[floral wave]

pretty sure you cant read

[serene epoch]

She take damage equal to her % of HP left, so no, more max HP will help her way less then on other DDs

[floral wave]

@serene epoch

[serene epoch]

You asked about more hp

[floral wave]

no i didnt

[serene epoch]

[boreal parcel]

This is one gorgeous fleet

I'm sick of the dumb Jintsuu/Laffey/Fortune bs

[fading isle]

[narrow aspen]

More waifu fleets, got it

[floral wave]

read whole sentence and what its adressing yes?

[boreal comet]

Bro missed context

[sharp seal]

Guys help with the equipment for Kronstadt PVP please

[narrow aspen]

The suggestion would be not to use Kron for PvP, if you can at all avoid it

[lusty hill]

constellation is very hot

[gloomy sand]

Put Guam or Azuma gun. Chappy gun secondary. UR AA or STAAG. Any combo of auxes.

Because not even 5 seconds in she gets bursted away by frontline torps and/or Alsace preloads

[narrow aspen]

[gloomy sand]

I've done a bit of testing w/ CBs and they suck. Period

[sharp seal]

thank you

[finite fog]

boiler kicks or boiler rudder

or double boiler

[trail temple]

Let's give her pearl too

[late heath]

Manjuu USS Kashino

[fading isle]

[sour pawn]

Question, why do people now run Juneau now when she also gets countered by the new introduced Alsace? I feel like it makes 0 sense to me

[narrow aspen]

Responses below this one #pvp message basically sum it up nicely (in terms of why she's used where FortM has fallen off)

[sour pawn]

I mean isn't Juneau dying early the same as FortuneM dying early? Both loose their complete usage as a result. I feel like at least if you use say Shimi instead, she's at least fired off her torps and will do something

[narrow aspen]

Juneau does her job when she dies
FortM ceases to do her job once she's dead
Ofc nothing stopping you from using Shima
The volatility is bad for the heart, though, I'll say that much

[sour pawn]

I mean isn't the point of her heal for the backline? The backline doesnt get hit by the time she dies. I can understand the idea behind it, it just seems a bit counterintuitive imho

[brazen socket]

Even if she doesn't in time for backline to heal, she still is able to heal up jintsuu and laffey since they still both sustain injuries after alsaces preload

I mean there are variants within the sheet after all if you do think juneau isn't that effective, all trp frontline does great assuming you want to roll for torp hitting, you have to switch when you do run into fortune however

[narrow aspen]

Nah, provided that Fortune dies fast you can still YOLO it
I know, I was shocked by this discovery myself

[brazen socket]

god bless alsace

[narrow aspen]

[sour pawn]

I mean this is what I've been sticking with recently and still currently top 10 because I havent been sandbagging, with seeing both Fortune, Jeneau and w/e other fleets I haven't had to reset once still. I will admit Alsace is a lot better then I first thought because yeah she can wipe out the Vang real quick but I can't imagine getting rid of Shimi when she's consistently MVP for me every fight at 40k+ dmg average for what are meant to be 'counters'

[stable dawn]

juneau bad, use shinamakaze

[serene epoch]

[fading isle]

[finite fog]

[brazen socket]

If it works for you then it just does, you sort of have the luxury with the fact you're in a server who isn't really that keen on the pvp mode
Fortune isn't always gonna be this 100% answer to everything especially with the fact you are using alsace and I guess aquila who can just burn away fortune before she is able to do anything

[finite fog]

i have 2 shima

[stable dawn]

horribly cursed shima/nano hybrid aside, I think there's a fundamental misunderstanding here, where you seem to believe Alsace is a hard counter to Juneau. This is not the case, as she is much tankier than fortm. Especially with pearl.

[keen silo]

Juneau is too good to be hard countered by anything

at this point in the meta

[brazen socket]

Juneau cannot hard counter oath rings

she is a must oath

absolute cutie

[stable dawn]

oath your juneau to counter them back

[finite fog]

[boreal comet]

I hate you

[brazen socket]

I should buy that juneau party skin on black friday

[stable dawn]

hey at least I didn't use her real counter

[grim solar]

Wouldn't Shimakaze with Pearl's Tears do this job better?

[stable dawn]

mushorage

[finite fog]

shima gets popped too

[brazen socket]

I mean is pearls tears alone able to pop open that much heal juneau can give You still got the other vanguard with torps potentially hitting your own backline to worry about

[sour pawn]

I mean thats what I was thinking too, she always gets the time to fire out her torps for massive dmg then promptly dies and heals, from what I've been using anyway

[boreal comet]

[stable dawn]

[brazen socket]

Are there even any people in sandy that has actual backlines

[finite fog]

me lol

[narrow aspen]

[stable dawn]

the forbidden torp

[finite fog]

my guildmate

[brazen socket]

woah what the fuck is that actually the quint rainbow doing there

[boreal comet]

Aiko and 1tonight

[finite fog]

strawhat

[brazen socket]

absolutely cursed

[finite fog]

maybe derickz, but he hasn't embraced juneau yet

[brazen socket]

On average how much meta fleets do you encounter in there

let alone properly geared ones and not just people copying the comp without the gear

[finite fog]

this season, i met strawhat twice

and this was still in testing phase

before the sheet was updated

that's literally it

every other fleet has been meme

[grim solar]

I've been using a similar comp too and I'm having some success dealing with GoT + Standard VG comps.

Only difference is that I go double torp aux.

[stable dawn]

[brazen socket]

[grim solar]

Juneau can't heal shit if there's no one to heal.

[brazen socket]

I mean hey if it works it works

[finite fog]

it works until you get walled by that one fleet when you have 3 minutes left on the clock

[sour pawn]

I don't get why people don't like the UR torps, I mean these are the only recent SSs I've posted and you can see that she pumps dmg with this gear. Every torp is guaranteed to hit something because of black torp and torps arent wasted hitting something thats immune or in the VG

And this was me testing Aslace, not seeing Shimi dmg

[finite fog]

so no, anything below 90% w/r is unacceptable for us

[sour pawn]

Or just completley missing

[stable dawn]

I'm pretty sure most people don't build GoT properly

[brazen socket]

You have better potent to shotgun with tea torps since it unloads everything into a straight line
Fan torps are more rng

[stable dawn]

Mine looks like this

[brazen socket]

I've tried fan torps before
not a big fan of them

actually i'm a hater

[sour pawn]

But more the tea torps can miss everything completley or hit say an immune ships or just be eaten by laffey. they also dont get fully coutered by FortuneM either when she was a thing

[brazen socket]

The problem is fan torps have an even bigger potential to not even hit anything at all

[sour pawn]

Without the black torp I can agree with that

[finite fog]

yeah mines pretty much the same except my ur quads are on my bbs

[sour pawn]

But thats why shes pumping 40k+ a fight with just her preloads

[brazen socket]

You can land 1 torp, but you're better off with tea torps that can potentially shotgun in a line landing alot of hits on the backline/front as possible and nuking them

[trail temple]

Oxytorps are also faster than regular torps with a higher spread. Against bad teams, you can use bad torps and still do fine

[brazen socket]

^^

[finite fog]

wnt active gang

[sour pawn]

Idk the tea torps always seemed a lot more feast/famine when I tested them and I'd have to reset a lot more while using them

I'll give them a try the next time I have exercises available

[trail temple]

Despite been giving the answer on a silver platter and spoonfed, people still find a way to fuck up a perfectly good fleet

[stable dawn]

the best pvper is known as Famine

wonder if we'll ever see someone named Feast

[trail temple]

Sadly, unless the data is reliable, outliers aren't useful information

[trail temple]

That's my alt bro

[brazen socket]

now we just need and

[trail temple]

On Lil E

[stable dawn]

whatever you say Beiver

[brazen socket]

so we can have the best trio

[stable dawn]

son of Rimmel

[lusty hill]

truly a higher ups fleet

the sheet should consider testing this fleet

[sour pawn]

I mean hey if it works, attackers advtange is just too OP

[lusty hill]

what a higher ups take

[narrow aspen]

Serenity would know, since he's a higher up

[stable dawn]

does serenity know anything?

[trail temple]

Yeah, you should use it Serenity

You are a higher up after all

[lusty hill]

I can't risk using another fleet since I'm aiming for eos this season

but if baneblood said this fleet works for them then I don't see anything I say that can disprove that claim

[sour pawn]

I mean when I finished my exercises this morning I was rank 6, haven't lost a battle and haven't sandbagged once this season

[narrow aspen]

Serenity is seriously going for EoS huh

[lusty hill]

did you 0/10 or 5/10

[sour pawn]

Always 0/10

I cba checking my game, already did it 4 or 5 times properly and it takes too much effort imo, especially as some1 from EU

[trail temple]

It's a lie if he's not using the truly OP fleet

[sour pawn]

I aint waking up at like 2am

[finite fog]

you can finish set 1 early

[lusty hill]

https://tenor.com/view/does-he-know-gif-17552966235424643644

[sour pawn]

I know that if you go for high score etc you always stay 5/10, but like I said I've done it a few times and didn't enjoy it

[stable dawn]

you can win every exercise using this

[lusty hill]

it is a fact that they haven't lost a battle

how are you guys supposed to disprove this

[lusty hill]

why is seattle there

[stable dawn]

she's the best candidate for manjuu duh

extremely tank, she counters noshiro and jintsuu

[lusty hill]

since when seattle tanky lol

[stable dawn]

and her high AA beats up preloads like perseus and richelieu

[brazen socket]

can I use my akaga eldridge juneau belfast fleet

[stable dawn]

only if all their gear is +10

[finite fog]

here you go, 5/10 rank 1

[brazen socket]

fuck all their gear is onlu +9

[stable dawn]

(for historical accuracy)

[brazen socket]

literally unusable

[lusty hill]

don't question the higher ups

[serene epoch]

eu problem is not set 1 but set 2

[trail temple]

If I show you all my big wins at a casino, does that mean I haven't lost money?

[lusty hill]

also how tf you get r1 on 5/10

impossible

[serene epoch]

dead server

imagine

[finite fog]

finish set 1 early, you can fish for a good list set 2

[stable dawn]

possible on all servers except Avrora

[trail temple]

Serenity chose the wrong server

[stable dawn]

[narrow aspen]

[lusty hill]

:ranchSexCalm:

[serene epoch]

late in season even set 1 is a 9s minefield on lexi

[stable dawn]

every set is a minefield after wednesday week 2

[fickle echo]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/974751857585045616/1189462506587041922/Screenshot_20231227-035827.png?ex=66694748&is=6667f5c8&hm=d278f94508ce74f41102694263d326677704e55d7e2ef10ff080efe423d2c3f5&

[stable dawn]

[trail temple]

@brazen socket Can you help us petition for server transfers? I want to trade Serenity to Sandy and we take Aiko

[finite fog]

[brazen socket]

[lusty hill]

so it's not that I sucks at pvp, it's just I was born on the wrong server

[narrow aspen]

In serenity's case, I wonder if it's a transfer, so much as a deportation

[stable dawn]

did someone say exile?

[fickle echo]

Would serenity be a top player on Lil E?

[gloomy sand]

very true and real advice

[trail temple]

Let's organise a 3 way trade and we can find out. Who from lil e is going to Sandy?

If we get something going, they're bound to give us server transfers!

[lusty hill]

player transfer :champogWide:

[stable dawn]

can I finally transfer to BA?

[lusty hill]

if pvp is football then who is the messi of pvp

[trail temple]

Serenity: Avrora -> LilE
Aiko: Sandy -> Avrora
Veerra: LilE -> Sandy

[trail temple]

UNULTRA

[stable dawn]

RIP UNULTRA

the only rank 0 player

[fickle echo]

Well, Veerra was originally from Sandy so maybe he wanna go back

[trail temple]

Done

Oh and we want Borgar too, so we'll give Kenny to Washington

We have too many Kennys in Avrora

[fickle echo]

Then would MK be Harry Maguire?

[trail temple]

Who's MK again?

[fickle echo]

How can you forget about "THE Expert"?

[trail temple]

Seems like I did

[fickle echo]

[gloomy sand]

how's avrora experience, I'm curious

[winged depot]

Feast yer eyes.
insert that Brave meme

[trail temple]

Only one way to find out

[winged depot]

I remember in amagi someone named feast n famine

[gloomy sand]

Yea he exists

[winged depot]

ign

[trail temple]

Probably my alt

[gloomy sand]

[winged depot]

amagi also has MK and kenny

[narrow aspen]

[lusty hill]

Based lmao

[fickle echo]

I wonder who would win MK vs serenity

[lusty hill]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1166593063326584832/1244347590779080734/nahdidwinsex.png?ex=666937c0&is=6667e640&hm=6aa79d0dcd1e6f2bd4a0b2b1c51e71e606c743ea12f0782758003a3442f1a1f2&

[finite fog]

True, I think serenity is better than mk

[gloomy sand]

@lusty hill isn't so great? Are you kidding me? When was the last time you saw a player with such potential and pace for a pvper? serenity puts the game in another level, and we will be blessed if we ever see a player with his skill and passion for the game again. Avrora breaks records. Their defenses breaks records. Serenity breaks the rules. You can keep your statistics. I prefer the magic.

[wheat torrent]

If i'm using a double def aux on laffey, (goldburn and manjuu) which torps should i use? Teatorp, USS blacks, Rainbow quints mag, gold quads mag?

Also, which torps should i use on Juneau? tea torps with black torp aux? I'm currently using jun with a pearl and gyro

[hybrid agate]

tea torps on both

[wheat torrent]

teatorps even if I'm not running black aux?

[narrow aspen]

Yep

[hybrid agate]

right, should be fine

[nocturne temple]

when does Mintsuu use sex bofors instead of staag? vs CV comp?

also I assume laffey now uses mog gun and just not been updated yet?

[hybrid agate]

sex bofors on CV comps that’s the idea. staag still preferred for hit stat.

[hybrid agate]

I think they are still testing mog gun and yet to be updated

[nocturne temple]

cheers

[trail temple]

Use either UR gun, they have their pros and cons

I need to check again but can't remember if the wiki has the image data for the mog gun

[lusty hill]

Moggers

[neon bronze]

who cares about guns for vanguard. Just put fastest

[trail temple]

76mm time

[neon bronze]

[lusty hill]

Hood gun on vanguard

[narrow aspen]

In Mk 4 I trust

[trail temple]

283mm on vanguard

[stable dawn]

[stark ice]

[golden sun]

is this the strongest i can make?

[fickle echo]

Use Richelieu or FDG instead of UVH and Laffey2 instead of Anchorage

[gloomy sand]

richelieu or fdg - alsace - soyuz - laffey ii - jintm - juneau

[fickle echo]

It's LE, everyone is using Shima and there's no Musashi to tank hits so anyone who has Shima would use her

And there's no Fortune META to stop torps too

[gloomy sand]

just don't make wnt active lol. maybe

and make it squishier as well. maybe

oh well, don't think i'm qualified to talk about LE meta

[golden sun]

whats LE

[fickle echo]

Little Enterprise

The server

[golden sun]

juneau back in the bin

btw how do i get this?

[stark ice]

i use juneau in my attack fleet

[fickle echo]

Core shop or you can try you luck and farm it on War Archives

[gloomy sand]

mostly to counter alsace preloads and he

[golden sun]

should i be running HE or AP guns?

[gloomy sand]

on Alsace, you use HE to snipe frontliners. AP to snipe backliners. mk7 and 457 are the best choices respectively for both

[fickle echo]

Always use HE on Richelieu if you choose her instead of FDG

[golden sun]

ngl not sure whos better between em

[fickle echo]

Try both once you find a strong fleet

Use whatever is better

[golden sun]

lil enty is not a pvp server so

[fickle echo]

But make sure to use a twin HE gun on Riche because she only has 2 volleys so using a faster gun is better

[fickle echo]

Almost all the people who care about PvP there are either players coming from other servers or people from the most tryhard guild there, if not both

[golden sun]

i dont have he gun for riche so il run fdg

[fickle echo]

You can craft it on gearlab

[astral mortar]

By the core data ofc

Or from some kind of perm event like aurora noctis

[humble robin]

Core data is best option, i tried to farm from war archives, it was abysmal drop rate

Never finished one from there

[serene epoch]

skill issue

imagine torp meta before dildo in shop

[narrow aspen]

For me it was Aurora Noctis rerun, April 2022
1 week, do or die

[nocturne temple]

Rip legends
We have it so easy these days

[humble robin]

cant relate, only playing since march 2023

[compact pawn]

who’s worthy of max lmb?

[finite fog]

alsace

[compact pawn]

reason?

[finite fog]

for pvp right?

#pvp message

[compact pawn]

general. so i can use them on pvp + opsi

[finite fog]

well, alsace not bad for pve but new meta for pvp

cv are dead because of laffey 2

[compact pawn]

oh new meta

[finite fog]

don't quote me on this, i don't play pve

[compact pawn]

had been on hiatus, no idea what’s the meta rn

[finite fog]

check the pinned sheet, the one i linked here for details

it was updated not that long ago

[lusty hill]

UR BB good for pve

[hollow walrus]

pve purely: Impla (imo)
pvp + pve: Alsace
pvp: def Alsace

[lean geode]

wichita meta meta?

[floral wave]

pve bis2

[grim solar]

New meta soon?
(Wichita META 3rd skill)

[gloomy sand]

Sounds meme

[grim solar]

Memeta.

[lusty hill]

poverty jintsuu meta

[gloomy sand]

wait this might actually be broken as fuck

A cult might rise up that won't raise her past lvl 1

[lusty hill]

You can't do that tho since you get exp when you win

[gloomy sand]

Pausechamp

[lusty hill]

unless you plan to lose so that she always lv 1

[serene epoch]

She is CA with light armour and ~50 eva

[floral wave]

good, shes there to proc the on death barrage, sooner the better

[narrow aspen]

Ngl, she'd be genuinely cool tech if her death skill disabled all skills on all ships

Kind of like a Skill Drain-type thing

(Although I'm pretty sure that was an erroneous reading)

[shell raft]

[undone blade]

The penalty is against CAs or armor type?

[serene epoch]

CAs take 15% less damage in pvp, but bad thing is that they have low eva and speed

[steep fog]

Ca takes less dmg in pvp

[undone blade]

OMG! I thought that had a dmg penalty. 🤦‍♂️

I guess Unzen is just too slow. 😢

[floral wave]

thing is they get ONLY that

while every other class gets more

[brazen socket]

We love every class but cas and cbs, fuck them - devs or something

[serene epoch]

Yes, slow so easier to target and also med armour - more dmg from AP bb guns and planes (hiryuu was in meta when unzen was released)

[lusty hill]

just wait until they rework the pvp mode so that every hull get equally fair advantages

[shell raft]

Just wait until we have sub vs sub pvp

[grim solar]

What about Meowfficers on PvP?

[buoyant parrot]

-_-

[lusty hill]

Fleet tech in pvp

[gloomy sand]

Go fuck yourself

[lusty hill]

:ranchSexCalm:

[stable dawn]

[fading isle]

i just realize tech doesnt apply here

[narrow aspen]

Still worth it for inflating your fleet's power numbers and frightening newbies

[fading isle]

bring my 7k FP kearsarge

[lusty hill]

The numbers are taken from the attacker client, if any you're just scaring of yourself

[narrow aspen]

OK, that I did not know

[lusty hill]

You aren't as good as beth serenity

[narrow aspen]

Pinging @gloomy sand for comment

[gloomy sand]

You better EOS this season

[narrow aspen]

When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die

[floral wave]

when you play al pvp you sleep or you sleep

[wheat torrent]

should i level up my juneau to lvl 125, or rather keep her at lvl 120 so she dies faster?

[late heath]

125 and marry her because just letting her die is bullying

[wheat torrent]

so I'm second guessing my musashi as flag choice... i know her barrage is best if it's from the middle, but her skill gives her more damage reduction if off flag... is there a case to make her off flag for pvp reasons?

[floral wave]

this skill works in pvp no matter where shes placed

wait no

it doesnt work in pvp at all

or which one youre talking about

works no matter the slot shes in

[gloomy sand]

Just 125 her now, since she actually needs bulk nowadays given the insane damage current meta ships deal

[lusty hill]

Lv 120 tech

[wheat torrent]

think she dies too soon?

[gloomy sand]

She's bulky for a reason

Well let's say that players cooked and "timed" her death

[stark ice]

I prefer to follow your advice : )

[boreal comet]

:)

[sullen iris]

Btw this ofc just refers to her own skills, not entirely sure why they did that but whatever, guess it doesn't matter anyway as it's after the invuln

[gloomy sand]

idk whatever we were on but massive thanks to clarifying that

[floral wave]

shouldve been disables skills of all units in battle

fistfight

[narrow aspen]

Agreed, it would've been fun

[fading isle]

laffii shredded

[tame bay]

what is a good KMS team to use in pvp ? ik they arent "meta" , but i still wanna use them.

[gloomy sand]

another one

[gloomy sand]

anyway... you want everyone being KMS or just some KMS ships in your fleet

[tame bay]

which ever is better. (granite i do not have Emden (yet), and Zwei)

[gloomy sand]

when did you start playing the game? it'll influence your gearings

[tame bay]

less than a year ago

[gloomy sand]

got soyuz, alsace and laffey ii? i recommend these ships, is that fine with you?

[tame bay]

this is my current one, but i think i can do better. also i dont know what im doing

i forgor to oath laffey zwei

[gloomy sand]

Casually has oath rings around

do you do operation siren?

[tame bay]

no...

[gloomy sand]

bruh, i suggest you do that first

since it gives you materials for good gears

which pvp will use a lot of

[tame bay]

also to answer ur question earlier, i do have all of them .

[tame bay]

Which chapter will i get good mats on ?

[gloomy sand]

Hidden nodes, Strongholds, Abyssal nodes, Arbiters, Corrosion 5 farm

In that order

[tame bay]

ok ima be honest.... idk what the heck those are. I think im on chapter 3.

[gloomy sand]

oh, in that case you should clear the OpSi story first before progressing

at your point you should have at least 1 mob fleet and 1 bossing fleet

these alone can do the majority of operation siren content

[fading isle]

You prob can use felix for vanguard

[tame bay]

i currently do.

[tame bay]

im currently trying to finish her DR iirc??

[gloomy sand]

@tame bay tall order, really.

• You can get the 457mm from the Protocore Shop by buying prints for it
• This uses Goldburn and RPG interface. I presume you have been playing the game after BisZwei's run ended

[tame bay]

oh my glob

ok im just missing the vanguard girl in the middle.

[fading isle]

Felix not with quad 155mm?

[gloomy sand]

juneau

[gloomy sand]

meh

[tame bay]

i deff dont have her

[fading isle]

Why? More AOA?

[gloomy sand]

cheapest option, really. Better option would be her own PR6 gun
this option just for spamming her AoA

[tame bay]

and yes i do have goldburn and RPG

[gloomy sand]

alright nice

[safe beacon]

Juneau is a rare ship, you'll get her

[tame bay]

ok awesome ! thank u all for the help, i will try my best to complete that tall order

i thnk the only thing im rlly missing is gear, so farming OpSi here i come !

[gloomy sand]

[sick moon]

i have 3 quad 152mm. i am running GoT. do yall think all 3 are better on alsace, musashi and soyuz or do i take one of them and put it on jintsuuM?

[serene epoch]

You put 1 in jintm and 3 Twin 137mm in BBs

2 free quad 152 can use n pve on whatever you like

[stable dawn]

I'd use one quad on musashi for FP to buff her barrage damage.

[gloomy sand]

one on Musashi, Alsace and JintM

moosashi likes the FP, moar FP makes Alsussy perform better, and I like it on JintM purely because I love seeing bigger frontline fleet power number

alternatively you could only give 2 to Musashi and JintM

and reserve the remaining for Plymouth and/or other CLs

in PvE

Two plyguns (quad 152mm) and Twin 137s are the balanced loadout

[serene epoch]

As you wish but 3 137s killing laffey faster

And FP difference not that huge

[gloomy sand]

just using Alsace seems to be better in the long run, I've pretty much seen her fire to the frontline in (nearly) every match at least once

found out it's better against a specific mirror GoT fleet in Amagi

But I digress and do think that it helps shred Laff-iis faster

[junior trench]

I know Sandy used to see a little use in PvP, does she have a reason to return now with her new augment? Or is she pretty much unnecessary these days?

[brazen socket]

She's been unnecessary for a long time

[junior trench]

Yes I know she has

My question is, does the augment change enough to warrant use?

[gloomy sand]

cvs are rare nowadays. And the current comps are more than enough to beat them

y'know, return of Juneau to meta

[brazen socket]

Anyways cvs are pretty dead right now

Plus laffii does a good enough job with her AA

[gloomy sand]

no lol. She still gets shredded by BB secondaries and torps

[neon mango]

My Mogador keeps dying super fast, and whenever she does survive she barely does any damage. Here's how I have her built, working on getting magnetic torps rn but is there anything else I can do?

[boreal comet]

Just don't use her

[grim solar]

Is she even viable in PvP?

Might wanna use something else. Check the pins, alternatives are listed there.

[brazen socket]

Has a chance to but she'd most likely get ripped apart before she gets off slashes

[lusty hill]

she's not that good in pvp

use laffey2 and jintsuu meta and juneau

[gloomy sand]

don't use the event torps, their pattern is meh. Use Brit teatorps or USS magtorps since they travel in a straight line

UR AA or STAAG (prefer the latter since she has meh AA + HIT stat)

Appreciate the effort trying to make her work here, but unfortunately she ain't cutting it here

[neon bronze]

gay gear best

[gloomy sand]

You're gay and it shows

[stable dawn]

[lusty hill]

moggers

[narrow aspen]

Was that beth talking to himself?

[hybrid agate]

surely not_beth

[lusty hill]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[empty crater]

Is this better gear for mog or should i focused on her hp

[sour pawn]

I do find it funny that you can not sandbag once in a whole season then just rush 15 exercises on the last day and get rank 3. Makes you wonder what the point of sandbagging really is

[steel coral]

aware

[sour pawn]

I get it people do it for the 'high scores' I've done it before, but what's the point of it? Once you hit AotN you get nothing else for it, being in top 10 24 hours later does nothing/gives nothing

And it's not like you can loose PvP battles either, even if you mirror some1 elses fleet you just have a 20% advantage anyway so will auto win unless you have bad rng or something

[lusty hill]

baneblood has achieved serenity

[sour pawn]

#Blessed

[lusty hill]

the truth is people sandbag to get the highest rank at the end of the season. you may ask, what's the reward for it? the answer is none, the only thing you get is a sense of pride and accomplishment

the game or the dev doesn't even care about who get the highest rank since they don't even keep the leaderboard, that's why the entire community live solely on the mutsuki network

[steep fog]

[sour pawn]

Yeah idk I've tried it before, can't say I enjoyed it 1 bit as it takes so much more time/effort to do that and I didn't feel accomplished at all once I did because PvP battles do just seem unfair with the attackers advantage so. Literally the only 'skill' is waiting last minute to do your battles

Just my 2 cents though

[lusty hill]

spoken like a true higher up

actually there's a secret reward for getting top10 rank

there's a secret discord channel somewhere full of other top players

[gloomy sand]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-head-nodding-meme-headbutt-hit-funny-cat-silly-car-gif-4307198055042192017

[sour pawn]

Damn

[gloomy sand]

You should actually try it once in a while

Probably not your cup of tea though.

[sour pawn]

I mean I have done twice, once when akaga+nagato was meta and then also when Shimi was first released. Like I said, didn't enjoy it at all

[lusty hill]

wasn't that like ages ago

[sour pawn]

Akaga was, yeas, Shimi idk, I stopped playing until BisZ after she came out so it doesn't feel that long ago

[serene epoch]

Speaking of merit farming sandbagging gives you more score which leads to more battles with admiral bonus merits and later with aotn bonus merits
So you gain more merits even if bagging with low effort or half bagging

[late heath]

There’s a secret discord for top pvp player that have a lot of Kashino content

[prisma pagoda]

Do anyone know the name of the bot that do the "pace" command?

[serene epoch]

(without "XD")

[prisma pagoda]

[lusty hill]

not on this server

but you can find the discord server link on the sheet

[prisma pagoda]

I just found it... Chesire (With horse skin)

[delicate owl]

it's not active anyway

[lusty hill]

:ranchSexDoorPeek:

[hollow walrus]

Rip 1tonight

[stark ice]

Borgar, where are you?

[stark ice]

Congrats Borgar!

[stable dawn]

👀

[finite fog]

sandy top 12

[lapis bolt]

???

Top 10 PvP is quite literally just how hard you sandbag, isn't it

Since you win every fight anyway

Regardless

[stable dawn]

no it's about how much pyro you burn duh

[finite fog]

[trail temple]

Yeah, you can buy attempts now

[long barn]

fck. i was top 9 40 minutes before reset... 😦

[finite fog]

Sorry, I lost the records past 12

[lapis bolt]

[stable dawn]

[finite fog]

[lusty hill]

guys how to pvp

[finite fog]

don't pvp for merits

[narrow aspen]

Don't lose at random to bad fleets

[steel coral]

just don't

[hybrid agate]

[rustic fog]

Just rush and forget

[narrow aspen]

[lapis bolt]

Just copy = win

[lusty hill]

omg thanks

[gloomy sand]

epic gaming

[wheat torrent]

Assuming no one is moving on my pvp list, what’s the best move for beginning of season. Do a battle or two before the first ticket refill?