pvp

[whole salmon]

The tester also said Brennus isn’t as good as Fortune Meta

He only tested it cus he found it interesting that we got another ship that can clear torps

Aside from being CA and stuff

He also noted the torp clearing slash has a huge delay

When a ship is 50% HP below (0 seconds), first slash is 0.85 seconds after 0, second slash is 1.35 sec after 0, third slash is 1.85 sec after 0

He noted that if Brennus dies, she would not be able to do the rest of the slashes

=> Brennus is discount Fortune Meta

[undone vault]

pretty much

[lusty hill]

poverty fortune meta :god:

[boreal comet]

Just use Juneau at that point

[late heath]

use Kashino

[trail temple]

I agree

Kashino is better

[half silo]

Vanguard setup: kashino janus mogador

trust

[narrow aspen]

[lusty hill]

wtf is that

[spare venture]

People who use bulin: huh?

[wheat torrent]

New UR DD gun, assuming I have the UR 100mm DD gun on Laffey2 and Fortune Meta already, should I put the new UR DD on laffey or fortune or am I fine to put it on NJ

[serene epoch]

Dont put any ur dd gun on backline

It makes some sense to put new gun on laffey tho, but type 98 might still be better to deal with enemy laffey because of higher fire rate

And pierce from AP ammo is not helpful because its often 1vs1 laffeys two last vanguards

[nocturne temple]

Is hiryuukai better than enty overall for pvp? If I reset for enty rng will she be about the same or still worse?

[half silo]

hiryuu is definitely a good choice for stall backline

enty deals more dmg overall

[nocturne temple]

Does enty manage to hit backline? Or is her damage wasted on laff2 essentially?

Actually what determines if a BB/CV will focus vanguard or backline?

[sour oasis]

Thrust?

[sour oasis]

If the vanguard is alive.
Planes always do crash damage to backline (proportional to HP left), but their payload is always dropped at first sign of the enemy.
BB focus is (ironically unless you have Warspite who targets specific ships)

[nocturne temple]

What about BB?

[sour oasis]

🍀

[nocturne temple]

Similar case in BB barrage like soyuz right?

[sour oasis]

Yea. If Soyuz first Area of Effect aims at the wrong ship, it might be faster just to restart the fight.

Ugh, my autocorrect is too much of a weeb.

[narrow aspen]

The secrets revealed by one's autocorrect

[sour oasis]

[half silo]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[wheat torrent]

sir, NJ benefits from the fire power, and you just said maybe the 100kai is better on laffey2

[whole salmon]

Added firepower isn’t as beneficial in pvp compared to 70 range DD guns that can hit enemy frontlines directly

[serene epoch]

New UR gun have 10 les range. Thats bad for backline

[wheat torrent]

k, so range 70 BB AUX DD Gun still best for NJ?

[whole salmon]

This has been the same for not only BBs that only use DD guns but for those that use CL guns as well

70 range is chosen over any other options regardless

[whole salmon]

Yes. Not just NJ but on all BBs

[wheat torrent]

these both have 70 range, should I go with the slower one for NJ and Soyuz?

[whole salmon]

Even Musashi

Both work fine

But most prefer the bottom one

[serene epoch]

130mm one cannot fire in 360. If your vanguard is dead, then enemy ships can go all the way after your backline. So you need 137mm which can fire in any direction

[grim solar]

Trying out a stupid Alsace build.

[lusty hill]

laffey getting mvp

what's the opponent fleet

[grim solar]

Iirc this was a Kearsarge, NJ, FDG/Anchorage, Juneau, Laffey II fleet.

[lusty hill]

[trail temple]

That looks like it'll do some mean damage at max

[turbid umbra]

How much merit/month do u get if ur always top 10

[serene epoch]

30k+ ig

[gloomy sand]

are you the Azami p* in amagae

and yeah, pretty much good merit gains if you do your pvps

[turbid umbra]

yeah

[flint python]

[nocturne temple]

What is a typical EoS score on lil-E?

[hybrid agate]

from recent LB, LilE R10 EOS is ranging from 2540+ upto 2580+ R1

[hollow walrus]

Lil E hasn't broken 80 yet

iirc

[hybrid agate]

i thought so too then saw, EN 2024 S7 had a 2582 R1 finish, R2 was 2581

[narrow aspen]

[hybrid agate]

then I guess typical was 2570+, depending on the season.

[hollow walrus]

huh I prob missed that. But yeah whenever I check Lil E leaderboard it has mostly been like 72~74 r1

[fickle echo]

Fun fact: from the beginning of Lil E until now all the r1 scores were players from the same guild

[nocturne temple]

Collusion

[narrow aspen]

Agency domination

[fickle echo]

There's no collusion in LE

It's not worth when you're too busy trying not to get more than one +9 every reset

https://youtu.be/XsFbWs5zN1c?si=9mhap8OnRx0XxOzw
https://youtu.be/FUhP7muDJHE?si=SEQoWyk6TbOBrkfb
Here's All Sauce testing to anyone interested

[narrow aspen]

[gloomy sand]

Bananas

[hearty hedge]

What's the name of the blue main gun? And is that actually good?

[gloomy sand]

356 mm from gearlab
and yes it is good for musashi in particular since it is quite fast and her rld is lower than other BBs with the same rarity

[hearty hedge]

Thanks

[boreal comet]

Are you still using mk4 on Alsace?

[nocturne temple]

now the question is should we 0/10 before maint or risk it ?

[fickle echo]

Only when I use Richelieu otherwise I was using 457 because without the rld buff from Riche she would fire at the exact same time as Soyuz

[coral thunder]

what do I substitute Jintsuu Meta with for the pvp fleet since I sadly don't have her?

[nocturne temple]

this section in the pvp guide addresses this i believe

[lucid oriole]

my b i thought this was gameplay help

[whole salmon]

@trail temple I have some news for you

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1HZ421x7ev/?spm_id_from=333.999.list.card_archive.click

Just defense testings for Alsace

I'll replicate their gear and send it here

[brazen socket]

My chrome is not letting me watch the video

Hows her performance

[gloomy sand]

this the defense fleet gearing?

[gloomy sand]

fuck, opening browser just to see the full image is annoying as fuck

alright, noted

[whole salmon]

It was noted that this defense reduced the current setup’s win rate down to 79% with 240 rounds

Unlike EN testings where we use fast firing gun on Alsace, they prioritize opening salvo damage

[whole salmon]

Using the gear they have currently, output on frontline is high but output on backline is lower. This comp is designed to be Anti-Frontline after all

Another thing of note is that backline is more paper, that’s why they added Juneau

They noted that Alsace is in the same role as Seydlitz, trading off survivability for much higher damage output

So yeah just reset if a backliner dies within 20 seconds due to unlucky torp procs

This is still only the defense testing phase, he’ll likely move to offense testing soon

[trail temple]

That defence fleet was still paper

From the looks of the tests

[whole salmon]

Yes, the attacking side still have a high win rate of 79%. Which is not that much different from a mirror

However this defense fleet is still performing better than other non mirror comp, where the offense is 90%+

[trail temple]

Can't say I'm sold off that and Ari's testing alone, but it is a good starting point

[whole salmon]

It does feel like Alsace has potential

Just that it is a trade off between offense and defense

[trail temple]

I'm surprised I haven't seen much Alsace talk from the man himself

He knows the meta years in advance

[keen silo]

lol people finally using juneau

[boreal comet]

Mk6

[lusty hill]

truly higher ups prediction

[whole salmon]

@trail temple during the mean time of maint, I got more news for you

[trail temple]

https://tenor.com/view/curiosity-curious-intrigued-interested-interesting-gif-14505707

[whole salmon]

I’ll go get the link

[trail temple]

[whole salmon]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1QU411d77t/?spm_id_from=333.999.list.card_archive.click

I actually haven't watch the vid yet

[trail temple]

We should watch it together ❤️

[whole salmon]

This comp doesn’t use Soyuz or Juneau

But kept the NJ and Fortune set up

[trail temple]

I did very quickly see the lack of those

[whole salmon]

They really like MK6 Alsace huh

[trail temple]

Yeah, they do, I google translated it and the author suggested they didn't like the results

[whole salmon]

All of the matches it seems Alsace died quite quickly

[trail temple]

Alsace does seem to be a glass cannon

[narrow aspen]

Can I ask... is there some kind of secret tech with blue Single 120 on Laffey that I'm just not understanding?

[trail temple]

Same logic as the 76mm

Just a slight trade of rof for range

[narrow aspen]

So they are trusting wholly in her AoA and are fine ditching her gun damage?

[trail temple]

Oh you meant Laffey specifically, not generally speaking

mb

[whole salmon]

Tbh I don’t understand it either

But it might have something to do with multiple hits during Laffey vs Laffey fight

Having faster fire rate and barrage for that ig

[steel coral]

neglecting the bunbun

[narrow aspen]

Tbf getting confused by CN is one of my pastimes, at this point
Or maybe I'm just bad at finding the places where they document their reasoning...

[steel coral]

[whole salmon]

It might be on the pvp section of their wiki

I haven’t check that in a while

[trail temple]

Go hard or go home

[steel coral]

or go 3 main fleet and 1 vanguard so all your HE ammo preload doesn't target laffey

[worldly vault]

a good option in cn(bilibili) i think is @rafff🤔

[narrow aspen]

I went searching the PvP chronicle (I think that's what you meant, Satou?), and looked at the first video from the Laffey era
I think this line is the explanation?
防守方用不了彩秋月了，太短，清理不到进攻方开幕的拉菲召唤物从而会让他们帮挡花园10秒弹幕。
Which my automatic translator is giving me as
Defenders can't use Colourful Autumn Moon anymore, it's too short to clean up the attacker's opening raffish summons thus it will make them help block the garden for 10 seconds of projectiles.
Since I know Autumn Moon = Akizuki, so the "rainbow Akizuki gun"
And Garden = NJ

(Auto-translating CN is my other pastime, and it's also good for laughs tbh)

[gloomy sand]

https://tenor.com/view/sus-gif-21986545

[light crystal]

Good thing I zeroed out

[little loom]

What's a replacement if I don't have Musashi for backline?

[grim solar]

Check pins for alternative comps. There's a few in... I believe it's Tier 2 and below.

[little loom]

There's like one other and it requires vanguard which I also don't have

I've got NJ and Soyuz

[grim solar]

FDG then.

Kearsarge is also viable.

[little loom]

Alright thanks a lot

[hollow walrus]

NJ/Soyuz/FdG

[gloomy sand]

NJ - Soyuz - Tamaki (if no Tamaki, then FdG)

[gloomy sand]

Kearsarge has mostly lost her viability nowadays because the other options are just better or at least more tankier, like with FdG

[little loom]

Collab Tamaki?

Not sure if there's another one but I do have her

[gloomy sand]

Yeah. DoA Collab rerun

Did you get her augment

[little loom]

I'd like to say yes but not 100% until maintenance ends

[gloomy sand]

Alright

Do notify me if so, though it'll be a while for me to know since I'll just go to sleep just after maint ends

[little loom]

No worries

[little loom]

I have it

[gloomy sand]

Hmm

Good

so there's your backline

[little loom]

Alright thanks again

[hollow walrus]

should actually try this

mostly been using NJ-FdG-Tamaki or NJ-FdG-Soyuz

[boreal comet]

FdG is worse than Tamaki

[sour oasis]

I'm curious about the possible poverty compositions. The core would almost have to be Juneau, Anchorage, NJ; NJ is a guaranteed build now, most of the PR/DR ships are faster to get... Making only event UR, Meta, and collab ships difficult to obtain.
There's not really a lot of drop options to fill the 2 backline and 1 frontline vacancies. (FdG, Hiryu, Kearsage... Or gamble on getting Seydlitz?) (Who would even work at vanguard? Seattle? Build a Yukikaze or Abruzzi?)

[finite fog]

i'm an ayanami believer

[boreal comet]

It's Harbin time

[sour oasis]

Subs in PvP when

[gloomy sand]

Kursk skill.has subs

More toxic one would be addition of cats. Imagine the speed, DMG buffs and dmgred

[sour oasis]

Like real subs? (they have to be destroyed by depth charges)

[gloomy sand]

unfortunately, didn't care enough to check

[sour oasis]

Well, they run away after 10s any way. And good chance Kursk won't live to launch a 2nd (0:30) or 3rd (0:45) wave.

[grim solar]

Suddenly CVLs and ASW planes are the new meta.

[sour oasis]

Torp memes have died, long live torp memes.

[sour oasis]

Harbin + 3x/2x torpedo in PvP get fixed yet?

[narrow aspen]

It has been fixed, ye

[late heath]

When in doubt, use Kashino

[neon bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/so-ive-heard-meme-cat-ears-so-i've-heard-gif-14683186045299634393

[lusty hill]

🤓

[neon bronze]

i heard you lost to some bozos

[lusty hill]

:ranchSexCalm:

[narrow aspen]

SSDD

[neon bronze]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/554725344045694989/1148821672426741890/giphy-2542516490.gif

[lusty hill]

can we just have a normal conversatione without you guys mentioning my loss or skill issue

:KMShima:

[serene epoch]

[narrow aspen]

I mean, we could if you didn't tell us you lost every time it happens...

[fading isle]

[grim solar]

I have a question.

So people have been suggesting Tamaki a lot as of recent. But she's not recognized in the tier list.

Why is that?

[bright mauve]

On LilEn where we don't have Musashi, Tamaki is more or less the go to 3rd backline. We're not recognized on the tierlist either, though 😔

[grim solar]

Mmmm so she's basically a poverty pick?

[bright mauve]

Tamaki is unique in the sense that she deals a significant amount of vanguard damage to deal with laffey2, so idk if I'd call her a poverty pick rather than a sidegrade

[grim solar]

Mmmm.

[narrow aspen]

She's not on the main tier list, but she is a recognised option (check the Gear (Main Fleet) page)
Idk whether I'd call her "poverty" per se, she's not bad by any means
Try her and see

[steel coral]

She's not on the tier list because she's a collab ship

and it's likely she'll never be made available again

[grim solar]

Damn didn't know that was a consideration. Though I get ya.

[narrow aspen]

Oh ye that is a very good point

[grim solar]

I pity the people who missed mommy Tamaki. 😔

[trail temple]

If Serenity was more humble it wouldn't be mentioned half as much

[gloomy sand]

mood

[narrow aspen]

God, grant me the serenity to accept that serenity cannot change

[lusty hill]

I am humble

[whole salmon]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV11Z421H74i/?spm_id_from=333.999.list.card_archive.click

@trail temple 2 vids this time, first with Soyuz Juneau the other with Alsace Fortune

[finite fog]

very humble

you even lost to a non soyuz fleet

how is that even possible at your level

[lusty hill]

:ranchSexCalm:

[trail temple]

[whole salmon]

It is in the same link and you can switch vids within it

Bilibili have that function

Both vids share the same description

First vid is the weakness of the defense comp sent yesterday, second vid is the improved comp with Alsace using FDG gun this time instead of MK6

[trail temple]

Yeah, if I was to tier based on that alone, I would keep our current top fleet, the current top fleet

But I won't because that's just silly

[trail temple]

Btw, where do I go to switch?

[whole salmon]

It is on the right if you are on pc

Or rather

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV11Z421H74i?p=2

I'll just send the second link incase

[gloomy sand]

Galvanized square steel ✅ 🗣️ 🔥 🔥🔥
Borrowed screws from aunt ✅ 🗣️ 🔥 🔥🔥
Eco-friendly wood veneer ✅ 🗣️ 🔥 🔥🔥

[trail temple]

Got it

[brazen socket]

From thumbnail alone, soyuz alsace sushi?

[trail temple]

From what CN have shown of that

It's a glass cannon

That shatters more than does its job

NJ seems to still be quite useful

[brazen socket]

Figured as much

The loss of manjuu hurts

[gloomy sand]

[brazen socket]

From being a meme to consider, to becoming a legit safety net

Pee vee pee is truly something

[narrow aspen]

That second vid having network down part way through one battle was positively amusing tbh

[trail temple]

Oh

Was gonna say, they sometimes kill their network intentionally

[whole salmon]

yeah it is their way to see how a battle would end without it costing a ticket

instead of pausing and guessing the outcome

[narrow aspen]

[whole salmon]

Advanced resetting tech

[narrow aspen]

They really operate on a different plane

[gloomy sand]

Pun intended?

[narrow aspen]

[shell raft]

[nocturne temple]

Is there any way to tell how many refreshes are left outside of counting?
Also is it 5 total refreshes per day?

[narrow aspen]

5 per day
But ye, you gotta keep count yourself

[fickle echo]

That just shows how much the devs care about this game mode

[trail temple]

They expect you to keep numbers in your head at all times

[nocturne temple]

can someone TLDR the WNT for me
when would u consider using it?
i am on lil-e so we dont have fortuneM (yet)
is it better on stall comps?
i use torp vanguard would it be better not to use it?

[narrow aspen]

Flag WNT is used on stall comps, ye
And also on fleets aiming to use Vanguard (basically it combines very neatly with her eternal debuff skill, since you can partly mitigate the effect of the damage reduction)
But you can use it off-flag just for the stats (which are quite valuable)
Ngl, I was once too lazy to move WNT off-flag even in aggressive comps, but once I did... ye, I'm quite convinced it's the way to go

[nocturne temple]

so basically perma use it then? even in torp comps?

in my case without the NP aux i could just use it on my soy flag (assuming I should have soy flag) and FdG off-flag with alsace. should i give SG radar to FdG and Alsace?

or beaver one of them ig

[narrow aspen]

Near perma use it
Just not necessarily flag
In your case, with a torp comp, I'd put it off-flag

Like uh... in the Musashi/Soyuz/NJ comp I actually didn't have room for it (Musashi had Beaver, Soyuz Fairy Magic, NJ Manjuu)
But in lieu of Fairy Magic, for instance, WNT can go on Soyuz in such a case

No matter what, definitely use Beaver on someone btw
It's harped on a lot, but speed is critical in PvP

It's not merely a gimmick like surviving AriM

Hmmmm, off the top of my head (although this is probably open to variation)
I'd flag FDG (since her secondaries are the strongest of the three) with Beaver
Soyuz bottom line with SG Radar
Alsace top line with WNT

[nocturne temple]

thanks will do so
also give 130mm dd gun aux to all?

[narrow aspen]

I take it the 137s are out of the question

But ye

Tagging Laffey from as far away as possible is super helpful

[nocturne temple]

is it this one? cuz i can just make it in gear lab
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Twin_137mm_(5.4"/48_Mk_1_Prototype)#Type_0-0

[hollow walrus]

yes

that's the one

[narrow aspen]

Oh, if you can afford the materials, that is positively splendid

[nocturne temple]

in no NJ comp i presume I manjuu my anchorage?

no NJ + no laff2 i mean

[narrow aspen]

Ngl, I've been super lazy up until recently
Just run Ply gun on all my BBs because that's what they normally have
But I recently switched to the 137s and boy the difference is stark and noticeable

[nocturne temple]

also for the secondary auxes I BB radar all right?

[narrow aspen]

Always

... Actually tbh...
I no longer keep up with Anchorage's auxes ever since she left my PvP fleet
I think I better defer to others on that one

[nocturne temple]

well i guess the broader question is if no manjuu on backline then manjuu frontline is better than no manjuu frontline right?

[narrow aspen]

I follow that reasoning, as a safety net ye
Tbh I used manjuu Anch for ages and ages, even after I got NJ; NJ only got manjuu after Anch left my fleet

[nocturne temple]

next month i get laff2 do i just run it on her? NJ will be a while

[narrow aspen]

(To be clear, I'm not calling this best practice, just a weird carryover/idiosyncrasy)

Ye I'd put it on Laff2

[hollow walrus]

what fleet are you running rn actually

[narrow aspen]

If there's no competition for it in the fleet, it's ultimately an HP aux that sorts her USS req

[nocturne temple]

fdg instead of JB on attack
the defense is just a half-meme

[narrow aspen]

Actually
Do you have Harbin

I'm almost kinda tempted to go full "take no prisoners", esp since FortM doesn't exist

[nocturne temple]

i do but level 100
i can awaken her tho I think i capped her xp

the only issue is i have only one black torp aux rn
will get another next month
so can i run 2 black aux alone for now?

[narrow aspen]

You may get to experience for yourself, in some small way, that uh
Nihilistic torp era you asked to see vids for

Ye, if you don't have black torp, just run Mk IX without it

[nocturne temple]

seeing soy/NJ die immediately to shima/mintsuu is satisfying i cant lie

[narrow aspen]

It indeed is

[nocturne temple]

alright i get harbin once i have enough gold

who runs aux-less torps?

[narrow aspen]

I'd put black torp on JintM, since she needs defensive protection the least
Gives you space to run HP and speed auxes on the other two

[nocturne temple]

should she also run pearl? how does it work with her skill?

wait nvm just saw the guide recommends shima for it

[narrow aspen]

Ye Shima with Pearl

Actually let me quickly calc

OK, this trio gets to 46.4 speed
Iirc you normally want a little bit faster, but since Shima speed boosts them about half the time you may find this OK without any more, but if you want a bit more, something like Kicks on Harbin should work

[hollow walrus]

you can prob run JintM/Shima/Laff2 frontline once you have Laff 2

[narrow aspen]

Yep

Oh ye, I guess also...
How soon can you get Laffey up?
Bc maybe the cost of getting Harbin up may not be too worth it if you can get Laffey soon...

[hollow walrus]

anyway LilE shouldn't be that hard right?

since most of the tryhard fleets are in the same guild

[nocturne temple]

Next week I have laff2 ig I can just wait

[nocturne temple]

Well I am not in that guild so that doesnt help me

[trail temple]

[nocturne temple]

Also is vanguard speed important so torps hit backline or to dodge shells?

[trail temple]

Yes, that's why you want beaver badge

[turbid umbra]

do you get more points if you do ur attacks at the beginning of every reset

like if you want to get top 10 by the end of the season, don't u just attack the highest person but also does it matter the time that you attack

cause ur ranking drops if ur a few hrs into every reset

[stable dawn]

people who attack you take your rank
but you can take it back by attacking someone higher than you
granted you have to win the fight
game is p2w because spending gems can give more than 5 attacks per day smh

[turbid umbra]

wut

how do u buy attacks

are u thinking about blue archive

[stable dawn]

[serene epoch]

only if 8 is more than 11

[turbid umbra]

wut

[gloomy sand]

He's referring to you rushing

[turbid umbra]

wats rushing

killing noobs?

[gloomy sand]

It's more beneficial to wait for a bonus point or two, then move to 5/10

[gloomy sand]

Going to 0/10 during a given set/s

[turbid umbra]

so its better to wait for ur rank to drop?

[gloomy sand]

And one or more players in your list to rise enough to give a bonus point, yes

[turbid umbra]

how much of a difference in rank nedes to be

to get a bonus pt

also is 11 the highest u can get?

[nocturne temple]

Check pins.
11 isnt the highest but realistically it is very hard to get +12

[gloomy sand]

35 point diff (between you and your target player) for +11 pts gain
71 point diff for +12 pts

[turbid umbra]

[finite fog]

Your rank = how many points you have relative to others

[dapper pier]

If you want 12, don't do exercises right away. Wait for a few hours. It's better to aim for a couple of 11s than a single 12.

[lusty hill]

12 is for incredibly lucky people or if you overcap

[turbid umbra]

[lusty hill]

Just take the 11

[turbid umbra]

First admiral of navy

[lusty hill]

congrats

[grim solar]

Well done.

[trail temple]

Gratz

[gloomy sand]

Congratulations on first AotN

[gloomy mural]

alsace good for pvp?

[light crystal]

mogy good for pvp?

[nocturne temple]

Can I potentially lose AoTN if I sandbag for EOS?

[narrow aspen]

Yes

To be more specific, if you sandbag for EoS but then fail to actually make top 10 by the time you've done all your possible exercises then yes, you don't get AotN for that season

Basically, if you're worried about your pace being able to make top 10 and want the AotN merits, I'd switch to rushing AotN sometime before the EoS set
As I do whenever I overcap in the season (so, basically always)

[nocturne temple]

There is 45h left right?

1 day 20h means 1 day + 20h?

[grim solar]

Yes.

[finite fog]

just attack until you reach aotn, then sandbag again if you're worried about losing points

you should be able to reach aotn by just bagging with your pace though

[gloomy sand]

sometimes if u high enough at 5/10 while bagging, you auto get AotN

[serene epoch]

tbh it depends on server and if you forgetting to actually finish last set of season
I doubt you can lost aotn on "lil e" if only moving to 5/10 whole season. Same for lexington, sandy and washington
(but its true only if you do not lose/overcapp tho)

[narrow aspen]

OK, so my experience is really server-specific

[keen silo]

Lol even in amagi its possible

[finite fog]

yea if you move a couple hours earlier, it's even possible in avrova

[narrow aspen]

Ofc it's possible
It's just a couple of times I distinctly remember not being able to

Although this being long before I ever contemplated sandbagging and probably got one bonus, if at all, per set, so I imagine that also played a part

[nocturne temple]

Great thanks I will rush the last 2 sets if I feel I might not achieve it although not sure how I would feel that tbh

[desert nebula]

What’s the most powerful exercises fleet have you ever seen in terms of numbers?

[grim solar]

When was it... I think it was a 19K (main) and 18k (vanguard) that was using the default Heisenberg comp.

Then this other one with an 18K (main) and I forgot the vanguard's numbers, but it was an NJ/Shinano/Hiryuu comp.

[gloomy sand]

20k backline/19k frontline from a player by the name of OMEGA RUGAL
also saw a 20k backline as well from a player named Spee

Haven't seen both of them since

[turbid umbra]

im pretty sure if u miss like 5 attacks, u cant get aotn in amagi

[keen silo]

i can guarantee u if u miss 10 u can

[finite fog]

Been there done that

[turbid umbra]

idk how does rankings even work at reset

like if ur within 50points to top 10, will you get it?

lets say ur 2150. rank 10 is 2260

even with 5 attacks at 11points, you still won't get it?

unless they go afk

[finite fog]

Everyone gets same amount of attempts

[narrow aspen]

It's undoubtedly possible
Just not trivial exactly

[finite fog]

And that also means everyone will be trying to get the top 10

[narrow aspen]

(What aiko mentioned a little above of choosing the right time is one way to help your case, for instance)

[gloomy sand]

just bag a bit, then wait for a new set to start so that you can rush 10 in 10 or 5 in 5 and wait

[finite fog]

I'll let you take over explaining

[gloomy sand]

guarantee you can get a lot of points waiting for food AND during your climbs

[turbid umbra]

[whole salmon]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV11Z421H7PU/?spm_id_from=333.999.list.card_archive.click

@trail temple More stuff for you

[gloomy sand]

Lyspell this time

356 Musashi; 457 NJ; 406mk7 Alsace

虽然是路人靶子不过品质不错。
视频中全胜，算上视频外测了50多把只输1把，胜率至少是95%以上。
阿尔萨斯这船虽然被策划精准刀，但强度依然很高，预装填彩大炮极大加速了演习节奏。

关于到底是换掉花园还是苏盟的问题，经我的测试是换掉苏盟。
苏盟虽然弹幕强力，但节奏慢，偏脆易暴毙。
花园有10秒附赠弹幕，且损管残局能力很强，依然有不可替代性。

至于替换武藏，完全不考虑。
这船虽然节奏也偏慢，但肉度够高，完全可以撑到第二甚至第三轮输出。

It's a road target but good quality.
All wins in the video, counting only 1 loss in more than 50 tests outside the video, the win rate is at least 95%.
Although the Alsace ship was planned to be precise knife, but the strength is still very high, pre-loaded color cannons greatly accelerated the rhythm of the exercise.

Regarding the question of whether to replace the garden or the Soviet Union, after my test is to replace the Soviet Union.
Although the Soviet Union is powerful, but the rhythm is slow, brittle and easy to die.
The garden has a 10-second attached pop-up, and the damage pipe is very strong, still irreplaceable.

As for the replacement of Musashi, do not consider it at all.
Although the pace of this ship is also on the slow side, but the meat degree is high enough, can completely hold out until the second or even the third round of output.

Translated with DeepL.com (free version)

[narrow aspen]

I love translated CN

[grim solar]

What the hell is 'the garden'.

[narrow aspen]

New Jersey

[grim solar]

Interesting translation.

[narrow aspen]

Iirc it's because New Jersey is the "garden state" or something, and the Chinese name for it basically references this

[grim solar]

Ahhhh makes sense.

[narrow aspen]

Completely unrelated, but the music the video is set to is just swell

And actually related, that early battle where everything devolved down to an NJ duel was nerve wracking to watch

[grim solar]

Main fleet duels are always nerve racking to watch.

I hover the pause button everytime that happens.

[trail temple]

[keen silo]

ask an actual translator lmaoo

[trail temple]

@Kenny translate please

Looks like we might not have an apex predator comp right now but a group of them that are all roughly the same level

[keen silo]

even though it is a random opponent, the fleet quality is still decent. in the video there were no losses, outside it out of 50+ games there is 1 loss, with a winrate of at least 95%.
alcace might have been predicted as a precision sniper, but her strength is still high, especially with the preloaded rainbow gun to speed up attempts.
regarding replacing nj/soyuz, from my testing it is better to replace soyuz. soyuz might have her strength but is relatively slow firing and dies easily. nj 10 second barrage is still very strong, thus making her remain irreplacable.
regarding replacing musashi, definitely do not consider. even though the ship’s clear speed is slow, it is incredibly tanky and is able to resist up to 3 volley of bb.

translating is easy

[gloomy sand]

can't beat actual chinese speaker

but thanks, brah

[boreal comet]

I had a feeling

[neon bronze]

this you

[boreal comet]

Pog

https://tenor.com/view/elsword-gif-27268482

[nocturne temple]

thanks for all the help @narrow aspen and the rest of you pvp experts

[hybrid agate]

grats

[trail temple]

Congrats

[winged depot]

[narrow aspen]

Congrats bro
(Also, I'm no expert; I just read the sheet once )

[trail temple]

I never read the sheet

[narrow aspen]

So that's why serenity believes in the Yakuza conspiracy
Y'all write the tier list but don't actually read and follow it

[lusty hill]

:ranchSexDoorPeek:

being ironic aside pretty sure the top players don't follow the tierlist

during the yakuza conspiracy, most top player use yakuza even though it was on tier 2 or something

and even back then all top players put manjuu on nj, even though the guide clearly state that it wasn't the best gear (it has been added now)

that is why there is another tierlist that consist of copying these top players fleet and gear

[keen silo]

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[narrow aspen]

So if you follow the "true" tierlist copying Himmel, why do you still lose?

[trail temple]

As we just saw, Serenity just likes saying he saw a UFO

[narrow aspen]

[delicate owl]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/870151078098915368/1064493714971566130/look.gif

[boreal comet]

EssexChoccyMilk

Wasn't that during the old stall meta with manjuu ancho

[finite fog]

how do you know people's attack fleets

[boreal comet]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-does-he-know-gif-26833694

[grim solar]

Is this the serenity person you guys often meme about?

[hybrid agate]

[grim solar]

Ah.

[boreal comet]

Pog r1

[fading isle]

[grim solar]

I'll take that top 1 position again someday.

[narrow aspen]

Tbh Idt we meme him so much as he memes himself

[boreal comet]

You will never be as good as Serenitits

[hybrid agate]

[lusty hill]

https://youtu.be/HLz-_uTTELU?si=LQscp1u-B-S_1Z6g

[narrow aspen]

"Your answer is nonsense"

Confession?

I'm sure taking it as one

[stable dawn]

see the joke here is nobody has read the sheet because EN can't read

whoa new laffey emote

[lusty hill]

it remind me of that laffey pose

[narrow aspen]

True, I forgot about that

[gloomy sand]

i like this new emote

what sheet?

[lusty hill]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[uneven sphinx]

I dont have max limit break Jintsuu Meta. I'm running FortM/LaffeyII/Shimakaze. Can Mogador replace Shimakaze?

[lusty hill]

probably no

also put shimakaze in middle

[gloomy sand]

If you want your frontline to fare even worse than your current frontline, by all means yes

[lusty hill]

also I think lb2 jintsuu meta can work although not the best

[uneven sphinx]

I thought they fix her (Mogador)

[gloomy sand]

Still too risky for my preference

[lusty hill]

they fixed her but we still don't know if she's good in pvp

[stable dawn]

iirc jintm can be used at lb2 since mlb just gives her slightly more damage

[uneven sphinx]

Sadly i only have the base copy. Im not playing much during her time

[uneven sphinx]

Fine. Ill test her myself then.

I only have her skills at 10/10/7 tho

[fickle echo]

The most useful thing she does is this

[whole salmon]

@trail temple https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1qJ4m1G7GE?p=1

First vid is Alsace Musashi NJ testing against current standard

Second vid is what I am interested in since it is some major cooking

Shinano Hiryuu Soyuz, Anchorage Laffey Shima

[fading isle]

Im doing fine with mogador

[uneven sphinx]

My first run and she died instantly

[narrow aspen]

[fickle echo]

You still didn't get to the part where she survives around 5% hp and then kill herself with her skill

[narrow aspen]

[lusty hill]

i don't get it?

are you being ironic?

is she actually good?

[whole salmon]

In the vid, Ari showed Mogador stabbing the moment Soyuz fires

[fickle echo]

Look at the pic again and tell me:
1- Where's Soyuz's barrage?
2- Where's Soyuz's on my side?

[whole salmon]

And baited the barrage as to not hurt other ships in the frontline

As that’s the only good thing she can do

CN doesn’t even bother testing her

And it doesn’t seem like JP would either

So Ari has the only Mogador testing

[narrow aspen]

Now, if only friendly fire were a thing

[fickle echo]

She can reveal CVs too but who even uses CVs?

[narrow aspen]

Getting Soyuz to blow her own team up would just be glorious

[lusty hill]

i'm too dumb I still don't get it

[narrow aspen]

[whole salmon]

I think my explanation suffice tho?

Enemy Soyuz fired on Mogador

[gloomy sand]

https://tenor.com/view/friendly-fire-gif-24595509

[lusty hill]

you don't have soyuz and opponent soyuz attack your vanguard, isn't that just normal

[whole salmon]

Mogador goes in for a stab

[fickle echo]

You underestimate serenity

[narrow aspen]

Your explanation is fine

[whole salmon]

So that the rest of the frontline doesn’t get hit

That is baiting the barrage

[narrow aspen]

But Serenity has comprehension issues

[gloomy sand]

@fickle echo you has video of moggers?

[lusty hill]

yeah but that's normal

you expect opponent soyuz to barrage your ship

what's weird about it

[narrow aspen]

Abandon all hope, ye who enter here

[whole salmon]

Tbh I didn’t realize it was this bad of an issue

Turns out it was far worse than I expected

[gloomy sand]

don't post the link lol i'll just find it if you confirm

[fickle echo]

I'm not gonna do a video when her skill doesn't even trigger if she misses the first axe hit

[lusty hill]

seems like nobody gonna explain it to me

[hollow walrus]

look at where the soyuz barrage is

[gloomy sand]

how bad was it lol

[narrow aspen]

Serenity do you understand what "bait" means #pvp message

[whole salmon]

During the stabbing, Mogador separates from the frontline

[narrow aspen]

Let me try another way

[whole salmon]

The vid Ari shows is Mogador alone getting hit

The rest of the vanguard doesn’t get hit

[narrow aspen]

Do you know what a "decoy" is?

[whole salmon]

She baited Soyuz barrage as to extend Laffey’s survivability

[fading isle]

[lusty hill]

huh that's weird the stab is every 12s while BB fire every 15-16s

[whole salmon]

If she was any other ship, the entire frontline would be hit with Soyuz barrage

[narrow aspen]

I mean, she takes a few seconds to stab

[lusty hill]

make sense

[narrow aspen]

Enough time to still be advanced when Soyuz barrage explodes

[gloomy sand]

now ignoring the hsfcrs/gay table now

[narrow aspen]

Serenity uses double shells confirmed

[lusty hill]

what you mean that's already included

is you guys BB faster than mine

[fickle echo]

serenity doesn't know oaths give extra rld

[lusty hill]

I see

[trail temple]

Most of this ships aren't oathed

[hollow walrus]

ethical pvper

[lusty hill]

pay to win game mode

@fickle echo anyway does soyuz always target mogador or is it still random?

[narrow aspen]

Ofc it's still random

[lusty hill]

rng meta again

[narrow aspen]

Even when not joking though
Even if we set oaths aside, what the heck is your setup that Soyuz takes 15 or 16 seconds to fire first rotation...

[uneven sphinx]

I lost the first fight i had to restart. Then I proceed to almost lost the rest of the runs. Shes only Lvl 108 i already exhausted xp books for Alsace

[hollow walrus]

Alsace and Flandre is the only 3 MGM BB we have with preload right

[fickle echo]

For this to happen a lot of things need to go right:
1- Mogador has to survive, not miss the first hit of her attack and aim at a main fleet ship
2- Soyuz needs to target her and not one of the other 5 ships

[uneven sphinx]

https://youtu.be/KBVmaRK0Za4

[hollow walrus]

outside of Seyd pseudo-preload

[narrow aspen]

Ye

[lusty hill]

amagi and seyd have semi preload and 3 mgm

[hollow walrus]

oh right Amagi has semi as well

[lusty hill]

will mogador be a rock paper scizzor vs soyuz fleet

[whole salmon]

No ofc not

[narrow aspen]

I mean if we're naming fast loads, VV as well

[whole salmon]

Mogador is useless

Even if she baits a barrage you are still fighting a 5 vs 6

[uneven sphinx]

Can Juneau heals save her lol

[whole salmon]

[brazen socket]

Mogadors issue is that she has to SURVIVE to 12 seconds first for her skill
the issue is mogadors timing is nowhere near the relevant timings of a standard match

[narrow aspen]

Post retro her "death" heal also heals herself ye

Idk if that's what you mean by "save", though

[brazen socket]

she'll explode at the start, and she has nothing to go for at 12 seconds

mogador is just simply not fit for pvp

[fickle echo]

Her attack with the crit did around the same damage as the torps from a Juneau... With no gear and no buff from Jintsuu

[hollow walrus]

her stab also is like not worth the damage anyway

[keen silo]

u guys gonna keep saying this till someone shows mogador is good

dont be so quick to dismiss the new shit

[brazen socket]

her stab and damage reduc is good but nothing happens within 12 seconds unless you're for some reason in an akaga meta fleet back in 2018 and you transported mogador back in time

[brazen socket]

thing is, what does she have going for her to be worth using over other options

[keen silo]

what other options are there, jintsuu who whiffs 90% of the time?

[fickle echo]

She would have use revealing CVs if someone was using CVs

[uneven sphinx]

I think Akaga with Sendai Kai will still destroy her tho lol

[brazen socket]

harbin, juneau, fortune meta, anchorage, even abruzzi

[keen silo]

only 2 i can actually see being irreplacable is juneau and laffey

xD duca

aint no way

fortune meta in this meta state

[trail temple]

Hmmm, I think the CN need to cook more with using CVs again

[whole salmon]

[brazen socket]

at least abruzzi got a burst and decent torpedos before she falls down
what can mogador provide to begin with without addressing the other options flaws

[keen silo]

aint no way

[fickle echo]

Funny how Jintsuu still get MVP when people use a weak DD only because she counters her

[keen silo]

bro refrencing duca like she does anything in 2024

[brazen socket]

answer me

what does mogador provide

[keen silo]

reflecting soyuz burst 10% of the time is more valuable than duca

lmao

aint no way u say duca is more valuable than that

[brazen socket]

okay I was wrong that duca could stand a chance in 2024

but what can mogador do

like genuinely

[keen silo]

reflect soyuz burst 10% of the time

thats already quite good

10% of the time u win instantly

[whole salmon]

Oh it isn’t a reflect

The enemy side doesn’t take damage

[keen silo]

good enough

[whole salmon]

It just helps your frontline avoid damage

[keen silo]

u still win instantly

[brazen socket]

I'd rather just use anchorage at that point

[keen silo]

bro do u even pvp

saying anchorage is better is crazy

[fickle echo]

If Soyuz+2CV was ever a fleet she would be good

[keen silo]

she is probably slightly better than harbin

and worse than fortune meta

[whole salmon]

@fickle echo major cooking

[brazen socket]

I think I'm missing something there within her reworked skill

[keen silo]

even if she had no skills at all she would be quite good

overstatted dd which gains multiple buffs

and has good speed

[uneven sphinx]

Im done with using Anchorage, dont want to use Harbin and Juneau (dont want her to die again) either. Also already done with Noshiro

Maybe its time to revive Ibuki lol

[brazen socket]

... just continue using mogador
I'm like 95% sure she'd do better than ibuki at that point

[fickle echo]

Just the first fight and all gets ruined by Manjuu NJ surviving long enough and it's 1min wasted on a loss too

[whole salmon]

Yeah it had 2 wins and 8 losses

Still some major cooking tho

[steel coral]

I remember trying 2CV when Soyuz first came out and it was just terrible

[whole salmon]

Would have worked if it was during MSN era

[steel coral]

ranger + enty meme was unironically better than nanoryuu

[fickle echo]

Soyuz doesn't even get rld buff if there's no other BB

And her rld isn't impressive

[trail temple]

No, but she amps the CV damage, that's what I think they're trying for

They need to cook harder tbh

[uneven sphinx]

But she has double torps (cope) lol

[fickle echo]

It just means she's a big target for other BBs and she's always firing after them unless you use something like Hood gun

[trail temple]

Best you can probably make it is a t2 fleet, maybe t1, either Soyuz gets blapped or the vanguard gets blapped

[steel coral]

york2/implac/soyuz

[brazen socket]

Err do you not have unzen

[steel coral]

trust

[narrow aspen]

If you're going for double torps, is there a reason you're using Ibuki
We have more double torp users now

[fickle echo]

I already tried it enough to see if it was worth using on LE and it bad enough to make a Bis2 fleet look op

[brazen socket]

you really don't have much options

just go back to juneau

and endure seeing her die

[uneven sphinx]

Yes I have her. And yes shes only on the display lol

Omg wtf did i send

[brazen socket]

this discord bug is annoying

[brazen socket]

yeah no, go back to juneau

[fickle echo]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/974735218470690886/1215415206784671774/Screenshot_20240307-183744.png?ex=665ce81e&is=665b969e&hm=fc2e1e88f0524423d6c607ccdfb981c3833ef533b85865b6dd06f1319c2d377f&

I even tried this back then

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/974735218470690886/1215418408733114398/Screenshot_20240307-185158.png?ex=665ceb1a&is=665b999a&hm=e0c9b8975657cfcdb8bc3b57ab2f7f7f3048551a3a381dfa73d67590d18455e9&

And this is when I tried Hiryuu/Shinano/Soyuz

Just look at the timer

[trail temple]

Did you try using Harbin?

[narrow aspen]

Ngl, that kill network trick to watch the two CVs die to NJ in that second vid was truly glorious

[fickle echo]

Shinano+only 1 ijn tech?

[trail temple]

Smh your imagination is lacking

[fickle echo]

@gloomy sand Here is how it looks when Mogador's attack fails

[gloomy sand]

gaming

was away for a bit since trip again

[late heath]

Anchorage is better

Not as good as Kashino though

[sharp hemlock]

If the axe was able to lock on the ship intended to aim with w/o fail would of been more interesting

But either way she still be mrs.down bad bullet lady as long as the enemies she hitting have specific debuffs

[lean geode]

alsace/mogador shaking things up at all?

or this still the best

i realize it's kinda early to make that call but it's also season end so i assume try sweatiest of tryhards would have some sense of their performance

[gloomy sand]

Alsace is yet another option for 3 BB backline compositions, all with varying effectiveness

As for Mogador, dunno much about her performance there.

[lean geode]

she seems compelling with her bulk

[gloomy sand]

I've been historically lazy raising my URs for that matter

Can ask @fickle echo for Mogador thoughts

[fickle echo]

Don't you remember the video I sent you? Because of her skill failing she can't even be consistent at whatever she does, I can't see her being more than a fun meme or maybe a niche against CVs+Soyuz if that ever become a fleet

[lean geode]

didn't they fix it

[fickle echo]

The only thing they fixed is the damage she takes when she teleports, she still needs to hit her axe attack and do damage to the enemy to trigger it

[gloomy sand]

I did. Tbh I didn't care enough for Mogador that I don't even know her kit

[fickle echo]

If the enemy evades/is hit while has Manjuu or some invulnerability active/or moves away from the attack in case of the vanguard then Morgador's attack ends on the axe and she can't even teleport or stun anything

[gloomy sand]

Yesterday I learned that Mog's skill could fail

[light crystal]

Please tell me, how after overcapping 5 full sets I still get 2587...

[stark ice]

Well done, Borgar!

[stable dawn]

that borgar guy is sus

he didn't even buy the alsace skin smh

[light crystal]

Broke mofo, amirite

[stable dawn]

only thing broke is this game if they can't even afford human artists half the time

🤖

[trail temple]

Residual effect of Anson

[stable dawn]

[finite fog]

[flat veldt]

[sharp hemlock]

You can do stupid haha stuff if you place her frontmost in your vanguard

And she hits a back line ship

And if you’re lucky it can “sorta” help your vanguard by evading barrages if it happens to all align

[serene epoch]

Too much "if"s not worth it

[stray sable]

if i am not mistaken, tb should have swimsuit skin too

[trail temple]

You can get away with "ifs" at certain ranks

iykyk

[serene epoch]

"if you know you know"?

[trail temple]

[toxic ridge]

Who's a good alternative to Musashi?

[serene epoch]

Tamaki, FdG, Alsace(?)

[toxic ridge]

Thanks

[gloomy sand]

Good alternative don't exist. Everyone else is a downgrade

But what Rogro said are among the good ships

[uneven sphinx]

What backline ships are you running?

[long barn]

should i do the fight with the lieutenant/ give me the extra point?

[narrow aspen]

Is the alternative to wait?

[long barn]

yes,

i'm at 4/10 fights

[narrow aspen]

Are you interested in accumulating as many points as you can?
If so, I'd keep waiting, since on reset you'll be 9/10
Thus giving you a lot more time to wait out bonuses

[long barn]

i was curious because technically, it's still a rank above. which i was curious if it does give extra points

[narrow aspen]

It should give some extra points this early season ye
Maybe +2 based on some rough estimating?
But I'd wait bc you can turn that into a much larger bonus (since you have the space in your attempts to wait until after the reset)

[finite fog]

you should honestly take your bonuses as you see them, there's no guarantee that any of them will move more next set, especially this early into the season

[narrow aspen]

Damn, even on 4/10?
This is why I need to git gud

[long barn]

eh, they are all over 120 level. seriously doubt no one* will move. with the starting batch, all 4 were under lv100 and NONE moved. that was painful

[finite fog]

server dependant tbh

[finite fog]

[long barn]

Rip... then again, here comes the NA night, while it's morning for EU players

[finite fog]

at the end of the day, it's up to you

do you go for the low risk low reward play or the high risk high reward play

i tend to err on the low risk side

[narrow aspen]

Well, right now, my option is rush or overcap

I def need to start considering taking -5s instead of -50s, I'll say that

[trail temple]

I had a lv32 on my list once

That was cute

[hollow walrus]

how about both

[narrow aspen]

[prisma pagoda]

I am having skill issue in PVP

Can't win

Need help... but I have no Jintsuu META

[hybrid agate]

Musashi/Soyuz/NJ should work on this, or are you having problems on Vanguard setup?

[prisma pagoda]

I just get deleted both sites (Back and Front)

Didnt tried Soyuz... still level low, but noted to level up asap

[hybrid agate]

what's your current fleet setup?

if you can screenshot each ship like this maybe we could see some improvements and recommend some gears

general guide is on the pinned doc but feel free to ask if something is unclear

[wheat torrent]

Is alsace good in pvp? I saw a video saying CN thinks she's replacing NJ

And the video also brought back juneau

[sharp hemlock]

Me just using Richilieu, Alsace, Flandre, Marsallaise, Mogador, and Brest like (I actually somehow won against a setup like that in the server I’m in)

[prisma pagoda]

Just ignore level 1 Anchorage Skill

Sorry for late, I was driving

[prisma pagoda]

[sharp hemlock]

I call the lineup “ this is for three years of waiting “

https://tenor.com/view/troll-face-creepy-smile-gif-18297390

[prisma pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/sousou-no-frieren-frieren-beyond-journey-frieren-anime-frieren-book-drop-book-dropping-gif-5586080115796339217

[boreal comet]

Did you read the doc?

While the fleet comp isn't necessarily bad the gears need changing

[prisma pagoda]

Not really, I readed the one like 6 month ago

[whole salmon]

@narrow aspen I jinxed myself

Richelieu testings exist now

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Nb421i7j3/?spm_id_from=333.999.list.card_archive.click

[narrow aspen]

Cheers man

[whole salmon]

@trail temple for you as well

[boreal comet]

Sounds about right, gears need changing I'd also try using another BB over Aquila since Laffey II is a thing now

Seele

https://tenor.com/view/seele-spinning-honkai-impact-swallowtail-phantasm-gif-23572139

[uneven sphinx]

get rid of Aquila. What other BBs do you have?

[sharp hemlock]

A new age-

[whole salmon]

Tester still noted it as disappointing

[sharp hemlock]

Of course, that’s because they’re using Soyuz instead of Flandre

[whole salmon]

That would be even more disappointing

[sharp hemlock]

One CN’s trash is another SKK’s treasure

[whole salmon]

It may be your treasure but this isn't making it to any recommendation listing

And I'm not following whatever testing you sent me either

[sharp hemlock]

Your loss

[uneven sphinx]

I hope one day, we can attack exercise defense fleets on our friends list

its been 6 yrs

[whole salmon]

I meet people on my friend list all of the time

[sharp hemlock]

That’s also a good recommendation just if you want it to be immediate than have it by chance

[whole salmon]

Most of them are top 10 EOS, we meet each other more often than not

Perhaps multiple times per season

Perhaps even multiple times per set

[uneven sphinx]

what server are you btw?

[whole salmon]

It's just that the pvp scene is really small, you will remember every notable player in your server

[uneven sphinx]

true lol

[whole salmon]

EOS the last 3 years or so has been rather consistent

Only around like 30 people

If you expand a bit to like 300 or so

You'll practically already remembers the entire pvp scene of your server

[whole salmon]

Lexington

The dead server with nepotism

[boreal comet]

Last season final set

[whole salmon]

The world really is small in this server

[boreal comet]

Expecting people to care about pvp

[uneven sphinx]

Is washington more alive than lexington?

[whole salmon]

Last season yes

Borgar always hard carry Washington

[uneven sphinx]

i dont see much pvp people here who plays in Sandy

[whole salmon]

@finite fog Nekosogi right

There’s a Sandy player for you

[wheat torrent]

@whole salmon so is the conclusion that Riche any good, or probably not better than Musashi, NJ, Alsace?
Also, does Alsace replace NJ and the best fleet is Musashi, Alsace, Soyuz?

Also, wouldn't we expect anchorage to come back if we were going back to preloads?

[whole salmon]

• Potential but disappointing
• Yes and no
• Yes and No

[uneven sphinx]

Alsace is more of a sidegrade to NJ tho

[whole salmon]

I think you got the vid from Quyet right

Quyet is simply late, very late

[prisma pagoda]

All of they...

[uneven sphinx]

i watch that too earlier, but NJ is not out for me tho

[whole salmon]

Original vid is here for Musashi Alsace Soyuz, Laffey Juneau Jintsuu

[whole salmon]

Along with the gear used for CN testings

Note that this was only tested as a defense fleet, not an offense fleet

[whole salmon]

Next vid is here, which counters the vid above, an offense fleet testing including 2 comps

Musashi NJ Soyuz, Jintsuu Laffey Juneau

Basically Juneau instead of Fortune in the current set up

[uneven sphinx]

Crimes against Junueau is back again

[whole salmon]

The other comp was also suggested is Musashi NJ Alsace, Jintsuu Laffey Fortune

Which achieved a similar result to the comp above

[whole salmon]

Both of which are better than this

[whole salmon]

TLDR of it is basically this

• Musashi is too important, Richelieu can’t replace

• Not having NJ and backline invul means you are trading survivability for damage output, if that is your playstyle then go for it

• Juneau not dying at correct times do hurt you but just reset if you have issue with backline dying

@wheat torrent does that help

Seems like quite a detailed breakdown

[boreal comet]

Teri teri

[half silo]

bet sandy more ded

[sturdy kraken]

avrora isn't that dead though

but then again it's harder to get eos

[whole salmon]

Oh I forgot to send the gear for the Richelieu

[wheat torrent]

so, the TLDR, do we get rid of fortune meta yet? Does anchorage come back?

[uneven sphinx]

They need to release 3 backline ships that can powercrept Musashi to replace her in pvp scene lol

[whole salmon]

It is this

[wheat torrent]

I'm not a huge fan of Juneau dying timing

[boreal comet]

Anchorage doesn't come back since JintsuuM and Laffey II

[whole salmon]

Anchorage has yet to make a come back unfortunately

[wheat torrent]

so we just tank alsace's preload now?

[whole salmon]

Just use your own Alsace

Sometimes there isn’t a counter to the problem

Just use it and win using attacker’s advantage

[wheat torrent]

just use jintsum, laff2, fortm
And for mainline, keep musashi, NJ, Alsace? Soyuz out?

[whole salmon]

Depends on you

That’s the fun of it

[wheat torrent]

is there a small advantage one way or the other?

[whole salmon]

Not much

[uneven sphinx]

Its always NJ + Musashi + 3rd BB fighting for the slot lol

[whole salmon]

The tradeoff is around the same

Alsace has higher opening damage

[wheat torrent]

soyuz vs alsace?

[whole salmon]

Soyuz has more late game potential

That’s basically it

NJ, Soyuz and Alsace are in limbo state currently

[wheat torrent]

Maybe I'll swap out soyuz for a sec, just to use the new shiny alsace.

[whole salmon]

Soyuz have higher output late game, Alsace have higher output early game, NJ has manjuu for survivability

If you go with Musashi Alsace Soyuz then that’s full output

If you go Musashi NJ Soyuz then that’s full late game

If you go Musashi NJ Alsace then that’s like half early half late idk

[wheat torrent]

i kind of like full output mode, make it go faster and hope I don't die before resetting

[whole salmon]

If you for some reason buy into Richelieu propaganda with 3 HE guns then if the enemy frontline isn’t dead before 15 seconds then you have a 70% chance of losing

[wheat torrent]

so manjuu goes on laffey2... think at that point fortune vs juneau timing

@whole salmon are you a fan of the even faster ijn BB gun?

[whole salmon]

The gun on Alsace isn’t determined

There’s also multiple things to judge

Some people like MK4 or 457 to give her AP for late game potential

Some go for FDG gun, MK7 or even Kear MK6 for early game burst

[wheat torrent]

wait, nevermind, i don't have it anymore lol

[whole salmon]

So it is up to you

And if you meant the Mikasa gun then no

[wheat torrent]

i'm talking about the blue ijn mikasa gun

[whole salmon]

Use the 356

[narrow aspen]

Oh the CN testing went full HE

[wheat torrent]

yeah, been using it

[whole salmon]

Richelieu anti frontline propaganda

Hope that you discourage them from fighting due to the sheer RNG that you bring

[narrow aspen]

I'm currently using Ari's weapon setup hmmm

Idk, I felt full HE was... uh... a bit too rule or ruin

[whole salmon]

I was surprised their Soyuz used Hood gun of all things

Glad I had that +13 during the Bismarck Zwei testing era

[narrow aspen]

What I would give for those gold plates to be able to spend like that lol

[whole salmon]

I even had the Kear MK6 at +13 for Seydlitz HE testings

[narrow aspen]

Tbf I'd +13 the Mk 6 Kai for some niche boss fights
Still at heart a PvE player

[whole salmon]

If I have to say my most disappointed one is Team Emblem

For newer people you probably don’t understand the importance of this

But back in the day, only the Kizuna Ai collab and the Hololive collab gave us these equips that have stats of SG radars that can be put on CVs

This was long before the era of using WNT or Fairy on CVs existed

[narrow aspen]

Relic of a lost era

[uneven sphinx]

Legendary

[whole salmon]

Hit stat on CVs back then was rare

But now it is quite common

[uneven sphinx]

I also remember the gold teddy bear with the stat of a boiler

[whole salmon]

Yeah that

Damn I missed that

That item now can be +13 and be marginally better than standard Boiler

It gives 30 more HP

[uneven sphinx]

True haha

I think that emblem is a staple on Hiryuu Kai when it came out

[whole salmon]

The true lost era is VH Armor Hiryuu or Amagi to tank Warkai

But that era shouldn’t be let resurface

Especially when VH armor was Crosswave exclusive collab and we only have 1 of it

Heck even HPFCR was Fallen Wings and that only ran once before being put into war archive

[uneven sphinx]

Its groundbreaking back then

[narrow aspen]

Tbf I've at least heard of VH armour used for that purpose lol
But genuinely wasn't even aware that Team Emblem aux existed before today

[uneven sphinx]

i was running it before lol

[finite fog]

Yes mate

We've got me and @half silo

Basically no one else talks on sandy

And if they do, they do it in their guild servers

[brazen socket]

Soo where does alsace place now

should I still keep musashi nj soyuz jints laffey fortune set up or did it change

[grim solar]

From what I gathered here, it's... not as good as what we have now.

Not having NJ means you're trading off survivability for more damage.

It does mean you can clear fights fast, tradeoff is that you're getting clapped by a comp that can stall.

@brazen socket

[trail temple]

Casual pvp is great, stick in the dead ranks and anything starts looking like treasure

[whole salmon]

His testing was Full French against an Anchorage Bismarck Zwei comp and called it meta

[brazen socket]

I don't know the context but is this quyet

[trail temple]

I think he had a very undergeared fleet that he barely won against too

[brazen socket]

[trail temple]

No, it's the Jester guy actually

[whole salmon]

No

Quyet at least follows the meta

Even if he is late

[brazen socket]

Aw

[lusty hill]

is quyet good at pvp?

[hollow walrus]

Is serenity good at pvp?

[lusty hill]

some say he's the best

[trail temple]

That's UNULTRA

[trail temple]

@whole salmon Very meta fleet btw

Might try CN fleet

[deft escarp]

Quyet Nguyen?

[whole salmon]

No

[deft escarp]

Tf

[safe beacon]

I missed jintsuu meta, anything i can replace her with?

[serene epoch]

Anson

[sudden spoke]

Off to the shadow realm you go

[hybrid agate]

check the pinned guide doc>under Newbie/Budget fleets there should be a section for JintM alternatives

[gloomy sand]

laffey ii, juneau

[safe beacon]

I saw shima would be viable

[gloomy sand]

well she works

[stable dawn]

shima's seen better days