pvp

[whole terrace]

It went like this
Laffii jintm jun 36/45 (80%)
Laffii jintm shima 33/45 (73%)

overall

Fwiw Jun ancho laffii was 29/45 (64%)

[zenith tundra]

that's a difference though, seems about juneau vs fortune in terms of difference for me vs naxyy

[whole terrace]

What results did u get against that team. Or did you already post everything earlier

Btw I helped naxy set up his team. idk if u were aware

[zenith tundra]

8-2 283 9-1 mk4 with fortune and 10-0 juneau mk4, fights were much less close with juneau overall

i kind of thought about that tbh. not many run that setup

[whole terrace]

Haha yeah u can literally search it in this chat, it was a few weeks ago

What exactly was the fleet he was using? Like what positioning did he use

[zenith tundra]

vg setup was standard laffey jintsuu jneau, about backline all i remember is fdg mid but no clue where soyuz and nj were

[whole terrace]

Ok I was mostly curious about if he used laffii lead on defense

I thought she'd just get shredded by offense aux guns

But maybe it still works

[zenith tundra]

she gets healed though so it's not that bad

also winning vg did nothing since 2 attempts that i lost i won easily vg fight and lost main vs main

difference in juneau healing, pretty much, on backline

[whole terrace]

That's interesting. It's frustrating when that happens

[zenith tundra]

which is why i said that i lost to juneau

[whole terrace]

There is actually a way to improve this vg that I am thinking about

So if u feel it is already stronger than jintm laffii fortune

Then just wait

[humble robin]

Was my defense challenging or easy to beat?

[zenith tundra]

i'm actually curious what you could possibily be talking about

[humble robin]

Yeah Dave helped me to set it up

[zenith tundra]

i was not expecting to lose to fdg

let's just put it that way

[humble robin]

What was the winrate?

Yeah i dont have mushashi

Also i modified some guns a little bit

[zenith tundra]

90% with mk4 soyuz but fights were close like some barely won

[whole terrace]

Zack's wr across the board is really high rn

[humble robin]

Nice

[zenith tundra]

it didn't feel like it was just bad rng

[whole terrace]

So taking a loss against your team at all is unexpected

I didn't recommend that aux gun, js

[zenith tundra]

not everyone has quads to spare for pvp

[humble robin]

Black torp aux parts just wont drop

Teatorp is pog though

[zenith tundra]

just use 2x for faster farm

[whole terrace]

That's exactly why u use the DD gun man

Cheaper to +13 too

[zenith tundra]

also completely useless outside of pvp too

[humble robin]

I keep my units like this, i farm with ships that are not max level

[whole terrace]

True...

[humble robin]

There is nothing outside pvp though

Sometimes challenge but then i switch back

[whole terrace]

Oh that laffii gear, did u change it to that urself

That's what I'm using now

Cos less hiryuu

[zenith tundra]

once i thought like that too, now days pvp is just whatever for me. i did not touch pvp like half of last year because shima meta was cancer

[humble robin]

You told me to use this

[zenith tundra]

i'm testing with gyro pearl jun and double torp jintsuu (no results so far since no opponents)

[humble robin]

Farming content i do with not max lvl ships

Now we will have rodney meta

But its gonna be a few more days until we have optimal team

Soyuz probably

[zenith tundra]

just let people kill it for you, that's what i'm doing and not even doing support battles

[humble robin]

Lol

[whole terrace]

That'll make jun weaker to torps and tankier against everything else, so I wouldn't recommend it

[zenith tundra]

we'll see once i get something worth trying vs, also no shima team was ever close doing anything because bad backline setup

[whole terrace]

Using soyuz against ppl with no soyuz is gonna be really tilted in your favour

Are you still sold on 283

[zenith tundra]

how's your soyuz btw?

[whole terrace]

I'm not sure naxy is a fan of the 283

[zenith tundra]

i need mirror to know, because mk4 seems better outside of mirror

[humble robin]

I prefer the mk4

[zenith tundra]

but mirror might be more relevant then non mirror

mk4 feels so much stronger

[pseudo copper]

Gotta do 0 shelling for fast barrage

[fickle echo]

No gun tech

[pseudo copper]

Lexi UvH tech

[whole terrace]

dw that is not my pvp gear

[heavy seal]

what about replacing White Shell with Black Shell to increase crit rate?

[zenith tundra]

it's not that i like 283 over mk4 by any possible meaning, the win rate and how close the fights were with it was just better then mk4 in mirror

109 not oathed? did not set her secretary?

[whole terrace]

I was personally sold on it from those results man, but I'll make sure to test it myself when I'm done raising her

[whole terrace]

I was just showing the level, skill level and affection. Ignore the gear

[pseudo copper]

shells are worse than eva gear in pvp, and if you are gonna use a shell what matters is the stats

Crit rate/crit damage skill is just shelling

[whole terrace]

I did, she's like 93 affection

[zenith tundra]

mine was oathed at like 106 and 200 at 121, then just used xp books

[zenith tundra]

hit/evasion are better stats then fp/crit in pvp, on average you get better results since less rng involved

[whole terrace]

Tbf shells aren't as bad as they were in the past because of eva/hit augments, but even then I still prefer hpfcr + eva/eva+hit, yeah

[zenith tundra]

white was competitive (kind of) black wasn't really

[whole terrace]

Btw Zack CN posted a follow up vid with soyuz on attack, it was a bit residentsleeper

[zenith tundra]

why?

[whole terrace]

WR back up to 90+%

[zenith tundra]

it's the difference in comp, nothing new really

[whole terrace]

Seems the wr decrease was mostly just soyuz being better than vanguard

Still no clear idea about the seydlitz / richelieu / flandre stuff they were on about

[zenith tundra]

comp is preload soyuz nj right? so like you could setup that on defense (eventually)

[whole terrace]

Idk man

🥱

[zenith tundra]

lol

[fickle echo]

@pseudo copper What was the gear you used on your Bis2 to make top Amagi player lose? I remember you used shells

[whole terrace]

Maybe, I don't have flandre or seyd to try it

[pseudo copper]

Should be 406 mle, ply gun, fp aa, white shell, hpfcr, crossbow

Truly best pvp gear

[zenith tundra]

i'm curious how you don't have flandre

[whole terrace]

Just not built. Focusing on kear and hindenburg

Biszwei is extremely controversial

[zenith tundra]

full vg nuke team preload soyuz bismark?

seydlitz seems best option there

[whole terrace]

Biszwei seyd soyuz sounds wild

[zenith tundra]

any specific reason for 406 mle?

[pseudo copper]

Works great at walling

[zenith tundra]

rng shelling nukes i would guess, with guaranteed crit on 1st one

[pseudo copper]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/872225981488857128/1115906435784642591/image.png?ex=6603cbda&is=65f156da&hm=8ee57554faa2718bf55d1f7cf9eb00ac1472666d6a2c1dbd673751bf9b86b60e&

100% proven and tested

[zenith tundra]

triples are scary with good rng, seen a few 460 nuking on defense

[whole terrace]

Sounded like they were memeing but if there's some truth to this that makes it better

[pseudo copper]

Based Sandy tech

[zenith tundra]

my goal was more around the lines of keeping jintsuu damage up more then changing bulge to pearl. if you don't use pearl on jintsuu it's gonna go on juneau since laffey can be the last one alive

[whole terrace]

It's worth a shot

[boreal comet]

Walled by zwei

Truly a moment of all time

[keen silo]

@empty moss have u tried mk4 nj 457 soyuz

[zenith tundra]

who's the 3rd in that? i prefer mk4 soyuz because her barrage syncs with musashi barrage, so i don't think 457 on soyuz would help me since too slow

[brazen socket]

Would her syncing with musashis barrage even matter though?

[zenith tundra]

she buffs damage so it kind of does, you can also slow vg if hit for her lightining to easily hit

[brazen socket]

oh good point

for the damage buff it doesnt really matter since soyuz would be hitting on it regardless but the slow does actually make sense

[zenith tundra]

not sure if it actually works that way in pvp. i've tried keeping track of soyuz shelling on defense and it doesn't necessarily target the same target as the barrage

[brazen socket]

soyuz barrage targetting is random sooo results will vary

[zenith tundra]

mk4 does make it so all of musashi and nj stuff can be buff on 1st shelling

on 2nd shelling she is pushed after musashi so not as useful

[keen silo]

i mean i unjammed it by using musashi on mikasa gun

mikasa gun unjams musashi from any mk4 user

[zenith tundra]

i keep running into you @humble robin

[keen silo]

and iirc it still syncs

[humble robin]

do you want me to reduce it?

[brazen socket]

whats mikasa gun?

[keen silo]

305

stock equip on mikasa uncraftable otherwise

[zenith tundra]

i feel like mikasa gun is too much damage loss, at least 356 can burn

[keen silo]

jamming is problem

[brazen socket]

this?

[keen silo]

yea

[zenith tundra]

the thing is i feel like the timing on mk4 356 is actually perfect since soyuz barrage goes off right before musashi one, the jamming is just soyuz getting delayed a bit on shelling, i'll try and see how mikasa gun feels

[keen silo]

yeah ive been testing both and different frontlines

def fleets on lexington i think are generally worse than avroran ones

[pseudo copper]

Obv triple 283 Soyuz better than losing burn on Sushi

[zenith tundra]

not really unless you can make it stronger somehow XD

[humble robin]

well

wish i had fairy magic

also need gold plates

bb secondary guns are nowhere

[keen silo]

idk about fairy magic tbh cuz im using wnt on flag rn

[zenith tundra]

don't worry about it. just funny how i keep getting you

[keen silo]

no space for it

[humble robin]

haha

[zenith tundra]

i like fairy magic a lot tbh. it can block torp which is like +3-4k hp

[humble robin]

fairy magic reduces first 3 dmg to 1 for soyuz

[keen silo]

i know what it does

[pseudo copper]

First 3 damage means 3 first pellets off Laff2

[keen silo]

i suggested it originally but idk if theres enough slots or if im willing to put beaver on someone in vanguard

[trail temple]

Mikasa gun is crap, yeah. Losing too much damage and the timing diff isn't a good enough trade off for the damage

i.e. you will lose a shootout

[heavy seal]

And how you feel against Soyuz in defense?

[humble robin]

@zenith tundra if you want to test, i can switch a few things

[zenith tundra]

right now i feel like soyuz it's only comps that can really pose a problem to musashi nj soyuz. when i tested vs shiburin (old vanguard backline, and pretty much strongest i've fought on avrora) i've got 38-2

if you want me to test different setups for defense i'm down

[humble robin]

check now

switched some gear

i wonder if you can beat me now

😄

[zenith tundra]

as for me i all i can check is vg aux setup.

it takes a bit for defense fleet to update btw

it's not instant

[humble robin]

rip

[zenith tundra]

i don't even remember how often the server updates defense if like every hour, half hour or even more then that.

[humble robin]

i see

im gonna leave it like this then

[keen silo]

every hr

[zenith tundra]

thought so, wsan't sure

i could record with fortune so people can see the diff in between fortune and juneau. kind of a pain though

[humble robin]

This is hardest i can check against

But Hirju makes it free kill

[brazen socket]

correct me if im wrong @keen silo
305 sushi
457 soyuz
mk4 nj?

[brazen socket]

okay this is weird

457 soyuz jams mk4 nj

but vice versa there is no jamming

[zenith tundra]

10-1 with 305 musashi mk4 soyuz 457 nj vs naxy (fortune). can't say i see a difference at all

[neon bronze]

iirc soyuz also has a rld buff

1% (10%) rld buff on yellow skill if >=2 BBs in fleet

wonder why you wanna use 457 soyuz

[humble robin]

ok rip

😄

[zenith tundra]

it's a consistent 90% wr with fortune

[humble robin]

they should start adding old cp meta ships

[zenith tundra]

wow managed to lose even with juneau

what did you change? @humble robin i'm losing with juneau now lol

[boreal comet]

You thought you were sneaky with that one

[humble robin]

I switched back

Idk which setup is beating you

[zenith tundra]

the one with higher fleet power

[humble robin]

Let me chekc

[zenith tundra]

on vg

[humble robin]

Yes

This is the standard

This is the experimental

[zenith tundra]

what did you cange?

[humble robin]

Just some aux

[zenith tundra]

...

if you don't want to reveal it's fine but can say it's working

[humble robin]

Im just switching between disxord and game

Laff had 2 boilers

Made her more tanky

So it made the defense stronger?

[humble robin]

Its not i dont want to say, im just slow on phone now

[zenith tundra]

kind of, lot twice

don't worry

[humble robin]

Twich?

Ok

She dies harder

Anti-em command is fun

Random effect

Im off to sleep, im gonna read when i wake up if you write sth

Bye

[zenith tundra]

good night

[keen silo]

i go vice versa

[lean geode]

can someone help me design a spiteful defense fleet

[lusty hill]

check the pin for the tierlist and use that fleet

currently the strongest one is heisenberg fleet

[lean geode]

which vanguard though?

[lusty hill]

jintsuu meta, laffey, fortune meta

[lean geode]

https://i.imgur.com/iZsgnln.png

does this look good

[pseudo copper]

No not really

Torps for all the vanguard are wrong, I personally don’t rec manjuu Laffey 2 so would move to NJ, if using ply gun on Sushi need flag

[lean geode]

aren't those torps the best against light

[pseudo copper]

PvP is parallel torp territory

Those is regular torp spread

[brazen socket]

What good is killing the vanguard with torps when laffey invuls through them anyways

Not to mention most of the time the vanguard moves too much for torps to consistently hit them so they go past and hit the backline

[pseudo copper]

Who said there will be even hitting

[brazen socket]

And sniping backline helps the battle to be so so much easier

[neon bronze]

don't think wnt on flag is useful there, could use it if you either want stall fleets or ships that buff BB contribution like vanguard does
not with 3 bb though, not using wnt skill is beneficial for faster fights

[warped ice]

how come the twin 356 is better than her 460?

does it not like give hella crit

[neon bronze]

speed is king

[warped ice]

ah

i do have her 460mm and it does take a fucking while to reload

[pseudo copper]

[neon bronze]

before 460 will ever fire its first salvo, 356 will have fired two full salvos

[pseudo copper]

Tf crit has to do with 460

[warped ice]

ah okay

[warped ice]

dont ask about that

i was confused with its stats

ignore it actually

where do you get the twin 356

gear lab?

[pseudo copper]

PvP is barrage gamemode, unless got fastload/preload triples not recommended

Twin 356 comes from purple boxes

Kai is gearlab yes

So obtain regular them upgrade to kai

[lean geode]

anyone else building a dupe soyuz for pvp

[wicked surge]

I don't have a dupe Soyuz , tried really hard to get one too

[lusty hill]

You don't even pvp lol

[boreal comet]

Neither do you

[wicked surge]

Hes different

He's just bad

[finite fog]

Serenity is unironically better than apoc

[floral wave]

serenity is probably better than many people that dont care about pvp

not a high bar to be better than 99% of al population at pvp

[neon bronze]

no need, really

Gear swapping exists

[lean geode]

i don't wanna swap gear just for pvp though ideally

and i don't really have any main fleet to level anymore

so seems like a good opportunity

[neon bronze]

if you want it and can afford it, by all means go ahead

[heavy seal]

But that require few rainbow bullins and another oath ring.

[coral wren]

https://tenor.com/view/azur-lane-uss-new-jersey-al-alm-gif-21668413

[winged depot]

just put a preset loadout

one of the best thing

they added

[late heath]

I recommend manjuu Kashino

[pseudo copper]

Manjuu Kashino is unethical

Too unfair an advantage to abuse

[light crystal]

So how are the Soy Sauce shills doing? She working for you? Still think she's nothing more than a good sidegrade, but doesn't truly replace anyone. But that's OK, some might like her performance enough I suppose.

[brazen socket]

Ehh don't really get how she's a "good sidegrade" when she basically overpowers vanguards performance and basically steamrolls over kearsarge

[floral wave]

dont forget to +13 second vang table

or rather

all 6 of them

[sturdy kraken]

[hybrid agate]

Sus

[lusty hill]

:KMShima:

[fickle echo]

Truly spreading serenity

[grim solar]

Is this a good Soyuz setup?
I... don't really have any other aux to give her since Sushi has APFR, NJ has Fairy Magic, and LaffII has Badge.

[trail temple]

Tbh

Soyuz will get more mileage out of fmp than nj would

[grim solar]

Alright, will switch Soyuz's shell for FMP.

How's that?

[trail temple]

NJ's best auxes are hpfcr and manjuu

So if you aren't using manjuu for pve, stick it on NJ

[grim solar]

Alright, will switch out white shell for Manjuu.

[trail temple]

Xbow aug is also not used in pvp, BBs only use the sword aug

Better stats and no trade-offs

[grim solar]

Alright, also just changed that.

[empty crater]

[heavy seal]

Ply gun is better than twin 137 mk1 for off-flag?

[pseudo copper]

No

On flag

Off flag lacks angle

[ocean quest]

[lean geode]

oh lol

sorry

wrong channel

[boreal comet]

[humble robin]

“Useless” Soyuz moments

[brazen socket]

I like how almost guaranteed soyuz is to hit her barrage

She doesn't have to worry about her shells hitting

Cause its instantaneous

[stable dawn]

it's pretty much hitscan lol

[humble robin]

overcap

gg

[boreal comet]

Rush aotn

[pseudo copper]

Use NArdVPN in order to go to a timezone you hadn’t overcapped in yet

[trail temple]

Prevention is better than cure, go to a timezone that's better for bagging so you don't fall asleep during reset

[finite fog]

Hey @humble robin, I just fought your fleet. For someone who doesn't have all the required ships, it's not too bad, especially given how high you are on the ladder. However, I struggle to see how anyone, who has access to all the ships in the game, could struggle or even have to reset due to bad rng vs you. I fought you 20 times with no losses and my manjuu did not proc at all.

[neon bronze]

this sounds like someone took over @finite fog

[pseudo copper]

Based Aiko

[late heath]

he didn't use Kashino

that's why the fleet isn't OP

[pseudo copper]

@late heath you walled me

Kashino too op

[late heath]

[bright mauve]

Thats such a good copypasta

[bright mauve]

Oh no, did little enty backlines get removed from the pvp guide with soyuz update?

[pseudo copper]

Would be under newbie/budget guide

Basically just run Soyuz, NJ, Tamaki/Kear

[bright mauve]

Hm, piecing together something from newbie/budget seems kinda struggle....
Ill replace hiryuu with soyuz, thank you!

[pseudo copper]

Np

[trail temple]

It just looks like a shit sandwich to me

[bright mauve]

It really does, I love it

[humble robin]

It could be rock paper scissors, you might use a walling team that counters it

[pseudo copper]

It isn’t

Unless you mean any proper comp as a counter

Then yes

[humble robin]

Yeah

There is a generic meta team and mine was built to compete with it

By itzdave

[trail temple]

Or, Aiko probably just followed the spreadsheet, can always ping and ask him

[pseudo copper]

Spreadsheet is a hoax spread by the higher ups to ease pvp

Obviously a fleet that takes multiple attempts to beat a Kear fleet using mk7 is meta

[boreal comet]

The spreadsheet conspiracy

[stable dawn]

use Yakuza

[neon bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/so-ive-heard-meme-cat-ears-so-i've-heard-gif-14683186045299634393

[pseudo copper]

Oh btw @humble robin Kiwito says hi

[humble robin]

Hehe

Who?

[pseudo copper]

Kirito

[lusty hill]

isn't that the guy that beat beth and has better grades

[pseudo copper]

Yes

[boreal comet]

Beth just let's kirito win

[lusty hill]

sounds like losing

[sudden spoke]

[neon bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/muscle-man-gif-11056355144724958036

they call me 007
0 rank 1 spots
0 win 3 losses against Bismarck Zwei
7 collusion attempts

[sudden spoke]

Are you winning though. Son.

[lusty hill]

I wonder what my code numbers are

[stable dawn]

does asking people to weaken their defense fleets count as collusion?

[neon bronze]

technically it does since peopel actually asking

https://tenor.com/view/so-ive-heard-meme-cat-ears-so-i've-heard-gif-14683186045299634393

[stable dawn]

guess that means serenity's number is the positive z axis

[delicate owl]

asking people to disarm their fleets

[trail temple]

Hey I am having trouble against your fleet. Can you kindly disarm so I don't have to build a proper fleet to beat you?

[pseudo copper]

Can you disarm your feet?

[sudden spoke]

Just fight me. Never updated my pvp fleet

[pseudo copper]

Hi, do you have any exercises left? lel

[sudden spoke]

Yes

[boreal comet]

Good luck getting a +1 off of me with 1 min to go loser

[trail temple]

Fun fact, I have bonused off Famine with 1 minute to go

Didn't drop either

[stable dawn]

over 24h with no messages in pvp. Crazy.

[serene epoch]

dead game mode

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpson-the-end-is-near-apocalypse-gif-7204975

[finite fog]

end of service

[gloomy sand]

Gaming

[pseudo copper]

We’ll cut straight to the chase: our shared time in Azur Lane is coming to an end. On April 30, 2024 UTC, Azur Lane will reach its end of service, and players will be unable to log into their accounts after that date. In preparation for this end of service, as of today, the in-game Shop has been closed, and all in-app purchases are no longer available for purchase. Players will still be able to use any accrued Cubes or similar resources until the closure of the game at the end of April, including the two new characters releasing between now and then, Yamato and Alaska, the latter of which will be available on April 17 UTC.

[lusty hill]

I hope when azur lane dies all my money will get refunded

It would be a waste if I have spent money for a product I could no longer used

[boreal comet]

Gaming as a service

[ocean quest]

🤣

[trail temple]

I think you have more chance to find the new fleet Serenity, I'll be honest with you here

[sudden spoke]

People talk about gph brainrot. But i am pretty sure yall got it worse

[trail temple]

Let's test that, close down pvp so we all have to use gph and see if it gets worse or not

[sudden spoke]

For the sanity of both parties. Lets not

[trail temple]

If the brainrot is that bad, supposedly, then there should be no sanity left to worry about

[stable dawn]

the true eos

[steel coral]

what about me makes you think I have pvp brainrot

[floral wave]

what could it be hmmm

[finite fog]

There's no brains to rot in gph

[light crystal]

Hey guys is the new Kibo meta?

[light crystal]

||Already overcapped by 10 like a champ ||

[late heath]

There’s no player versus player, it’s player versus sleep

[lusty hill]

player vs luck

[brazen socket]

As if there's any here to rot too

[ocean quest]

ermmmmmmmm excuse me im the finest

[boreal comet]

Finest deez?

[ocean quest]

🤫

[sour pawn]

How is Soyzu for PvP? I've tried her out, swapping Aquila out for her but with not having FortuneM she seems reaslly bad as she tends to do 0 and just die at the start, and even when she does survive she does less then BisZ, NJ and Aquila anyway

[floral wave]

soyuz dies but aquila or bis2 dont?

thats some weird shit

[sour pawn]

E.g; she got to fire but she still died straight after and did the worst

[sour pawn]

Yeah, Aquila is always my last surviving backline even with my NJ who was invuln

Because she never gets revealed ig?

[floral wave]

thats not how you measure wheyher she did good or bad

ive had chen hai deal more damage than musashi

[sour pawn]

As every1 runs triple BB

[floral wave]

doesnt mean chen hai is better than musashi

[sour pawn]

But like I was saying she never even gets the chance to fire against full meta comps it seems

At least from what I've experienced

BisZ can have that same issue too sometimes but not as bad it seems

Atleast she becomes the worse for it with a NJ, Aquila and BisZ backline

[floral wave]

dont have soyuz maxed so cant really say anything

but i thought shes solid

[sour pawn]

Yeah I kinda thought she'd be alright with the whole defensive skills taking less torp dmg or something but from the 20 or so fights I've done with her so far she's felt like a downgrade from Aquila which feels weird to say

[floral wave]

tbh idk how aquila still feels any useful

[sour pawn]

Another example of her dying straight away with BisZ

[floral wave]

with laffey2 around

also

ah nvm

[sour pawn]

I've had matches where both vangs have killed each other and Aquila solos the last 3 backline BBs, but even outside of that edge case even her first airstrike is doing 15-20% of all 3 backline ships hp, really helps my torp frontline to get past the FortuneM comps

I was gonna ask if it was a gear thing but I decided to look at that guide, apparently there's an AUX that exists called 'fairy magic' that reduces first 3 instances of damage to 1

I can see how that would help her survivability a lot

[boreal comet]

Running pve loadout on her

[narrow aspen]

Ye it was from uh... Kuybyshev's event I think?

Fairy Magic is magnificent on her

[sour pawn]

I cba to change gear for her, I don't have the UR HPFCR and NJ has the beaver badge so I feel like this is a fine loadout on her, no?

[boreal comet]

Shells are not a great idea

[narrow aspen]

I mean if nothing else give her a Sword

[boreal comet]

And 457 on both NJ and Soy runs into gun jamming

[sour pawn]

I run that erm

Idk what it's called

The SR AP gun that was kinda new in gear lab, something kai

[narrow aspen]

Mk 4?

[sour pawn]

I know it's black

[narrow aspen]

Ye Mk 4

[boreal comet]

Use it on Soy

[sour pawn]

And give 457 to NJ?

Thinking about it, doesn't Aquila preload kinda counter the 'tankiness' of Soyuz then because I was wondering why I've seen her in a lot of fleets recently but not doing much

Would also explain why I'm having a hrder time against those fleets now and having ot reset more

[narrow aspen]

What server are you in

[sour pawn]

Sandy, I know it gets dunked on but idk why

[narrow aspen]

No idea either but I'm in Amagi so Idt I can really give any meaningful advice
Our PvP is not really to be taken seriously and it never ceases to blow my mind the things that happen in other servers' PvP that I just wish I could see with my own eyes

[ocean quest]

amagi officially dead? @stable dawn

[humble robin]

Easy with overcap

[winged depot]

no no, amagi is on a great spot for the past 2 years, one thing on the downside though is that not many has meta fleets on defense

also hi

[boreal comet]

Hi

Hi veston

[brazen socket]

+13 3rd black torp for laffey or just finish +13'ing manjuu?

oh wait

im stupid

not manjuu

pearl

[ocean quest]

you run 3 blacktorps?

[brazen socket]

I do paper for when im offense

things r easier that way

[ocean quest]

shima? ⏸️

[brazen socket]

not like fortune does any good for me

[brazen socket]

[ocean quest]

DAAAAAAYYM

good one

based

[boreal comet]

Borg was right

[ocean quest]

but imo laffey blacktorp is meh af so

[boreal comet]

[brazen socket]

feels like im already finished with auxes though

maybe I should slap these plates back onto my pve gear

err do you guys +13 oxys

[gloomy sand]

on my way to +13 one, currently at +12

[pseudo copper]

You +13 all gear you use in pvp, so one in this case

[delicate owl]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1037864019572301856/1220463233752895540/ezgif-7-e4f0b8d793.gif?ex=660f07f6&is=65fc92f6&hm=bfb73f8bc615cf9352a228daf2d5683ab36ca55878915f7415f61a0def77cfda&

gensui rush this reset?

[sterile knot]

hey in the jin/laff/fortune vanguard, who gets the black torp?

[boreal comet]

Mostly Jintsuu

[sterile knot]

gotcha, so oxy and black on jint, beaver and what else on laff?

another oxy?

[gloomy sand]

torp isn't that important of a stat on laff-ii

rather, HP is

beaver satisfies her uss gear requirement for one of her skills. can use beaver + >=550 hp aux gear

[pseudo copper]

I personally just run it on Jintsuu and other 2 get uss quad torp

[sterile knot]

gotcha, ty ty

[narrow aspen]

Heya
I mean, is that not the issue then? I hardly can find any motivation to even try and build anymore when there's a fleet worth fighting maybe... twice out of every fifteen runs per day
Although granted Idk how it is in other servers but whenever I see other people talk about PvP it at least sounds that there are defence fleets worth fighting elsewhere

[pseudo copper]

Just run across a bagger and ping them for def fleet

Amagi has proper def fleets when people feel like it

But rn nothing going on to warrant walling people

No Beth to wall

[stable dawn]

is Anson good in pvp?

[narrow aspen]

Duly noted

[lusty hill]

anson is good at defense fleet

people will see her and get so enraged that they refuse to fight you

[fickle echo]

Use her together with her sisters for more efficiency

[flint python]

Loli yamato 🙏

[lusty hill]

Loli yamato 🙏

[narrow aspen]

Loli yamato 🙏

[light crystal]

Loli K.G.V. 🙏

[narrow aspen]

OK, I will confess... it is still terribly exhilarating to watch the endgame boil down to a battle line exchange... really does get my heart pumping...
I just wish it could happen more often

[boreal comet]

Nubian is best pvp ship fr

[gloomy sand]

Pushups

[gloomy sand]

none ofthem lol
at least in the context of pvp

what's your fleet atm

[golden sun]

oh fuck wrong channel

LMFAO

was asking for campaign sht

[gloomy sand]

[lusty hill]

Kid named wrong channel

[deft escarp]

How good is Soy?

[ocean quest]

good

[spare venture]

Can she replace Bismarck zwei?

[ocean quest]

yea

not like bis2 was seeing too much use in pvp

[boreal comet]

Clearly worse than Aquila

[ocean quest]

[spare venture]

I used her and get Admiral of the Navy

[ocean quest]

[boreal comet]

[floral wave]

i used richie/uvh/chise backline and got aotn

[ocean quest]

i usd ranger and cassin

[pseudo copper]

Aotn just matter of not overcapping too much

[stable dawn]

[late heath]

Just don’t lose

If you don’t lose, you win

[brazen socket]

But what if I don't lose... but I also don't win either?

[ocean quest]

you lose

[finite fog]

[lusty hill]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1221299613794041957.webp?size=48

[spare venture]

It means you do not play

[brazen socket]

And by not playing I am in a constant state of winning and losing

[finite fog]

[brazen socket]

I win because I am not playing pvp
I lose because no merit to buy bulin and cubes

[trail temple]

I hope Anson will be good in PvP

[lusty hill]

I've tested her

She's pretty good

[light crystal]

Cherno at Home will be a better WarKai: She will instantly delete 2 ships on the backline.

[floral wave]

she will have to wait for that until she gets a redesign

[boreal comet]

https://tenor.com/view/lilo-and-stitch-maniacal-laugh-gif-25225345

[light crystal]

She will be UR, trust.

[sudden spoke]

[stable dawn]

[cobalt karma]

Who would you say is better for PVP? Soyuz or NJ?

[floral wave]

nj, easily

[finite fog]

soyuz

[cobalt karma]

Cus IK Soyuz can make enemies take more damage, and NJ has her crit barrage

[floral wave]

nj has a manjuu too

[ocean quest]

soyuz got super damage, but shes a bit more frail

[cobalt karma]

Doesnt Soyuz have more HP?

[brazen socket]

NJ has damage reduc + manjuu

[cobalt karma]

manjuu?

whats that

[boreal comet]

Eagle Union Elite Damage Control

[valid oxide]

I remember when manjuu NJ was bad

[delicate owl]

#amagi-general message manjuu nj believer since 2021

[spiral owl]

https://tenor.com/view/worldofwar-timeschange-change-garrosh-gif-13230689

[lusty hill]

manjuu on nj was never bad in the first place

even back then all the pro players used it and still is to this day

[valid oxide]

It was never bad but it was never good when you could just put it on ancho

[delicate owl]

dead chat during eos reset?

[empty crater]

[light crystal]

TOP 200, LETTS GOOO!

[fickle echo]

https://youtu.be/_61BGe44hJI?si=XH_e6NlH5uykoubu

Who's NJ? Who are META ships?

[ocean quest]

so much based

[rustic bridge]

Time Fight pvp

[boreal comet]

I hope you win

[turbid island]

wait what

DAMN AUTOCORRECT

wait meta exists?

I’ve been using Rodney and Enty for the past 3 years!

And you tell me this now???

[boreal comet]

[brazen socket]

The meta only really applies when you're in really high ladder and you fight another opp using a meta fleet or a strong fleet

You can do whatever

All that matters is you win

[turbid island]

Oh okay

[brazen socket]

Meta only helps you win consistently in higher ladder

[zenith lantern]

It helps you win anywhere. You just don’t need to optimise anywhere near as much if you’re not high on the ladder.

[floral wave]

i see seydlitz i copy fleet

mine now

[boreal comet]

Ari def

[fickle echo]

You're free to copy it but can you get the same results though?

[ocean quest]

seydlitz rerun please im begging you

[floral wave]

who needs results when you have 460 seydlitz

[trail temple]

Who needs that when you can have Anson?

Oh wait, we don't have Anson... Nevermind...

[light crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/the-outpost-the-outpost-series-fantasy-tv-the-cw-syfy-gif-23108066

[merry elm]

Why Jintsuu META instead of Jintsuu?

And why Fortune META?

[lusty hill]

Jintsuu meta cuz she fire 2 strong torps when she dies

Fortune meta cuz she has skill that deletes torps

[merry elm]

So this is the new meta for pvp?

[long barn]

how do i beat this?

[merry elm]

I met very similar fleet

[lusty hill]

Use the fleet on the pin

Also who is that

[boreal comet]

Jintsuu META has better personal damage, is bulkier and has a last stand skill which gives her 2 additional guaranteed waves of torpedos

Fortune META is just to counter those torpedos so they don't instantly delete your main fleet ships

[ocean quest]

kill them before they kill you

uvh

[long barn]

so mirror fleet?

[brazen socket]

pretty much though not exactly mirroring since you'd rather use anyone else over uvh

[long barn]

oh and i mirrored the Vanguard. for backline i used all CVs. worked like a charm, my Laffey had around 50% hp while his vanguard got wiped

[boreal comet]

CVs are not great

[long barn]

but they never got discovered. enemy had 3 BBs

[narrow aspen]

Well, just don't expect that to work in general is all

[boreal comet]

Most likely bad gearing

Laffey II is very hard to sink when she's facing carriers

[long barn]

i know. 1 perseus/unicorn/aquila and all my CVs are screwed

[boreal comet]

Well she's hard to sink in general but CVs just tickle her

[long barn]

i mean. since we have 1 CL and 2 DDs. almost all BB shots missed. then my vanguard killed his. so pretty surprised since i had about 1k less overall vanguard power too

didn't even have to re-start for it. did a few re-starts with other fleets

[narrow aspen]

All it would have taken was Soyuz over UvH and a little bit of bad luck for that to have gone completely differently

[long barn]

haven't 125 my Soyuz yet... still, pretty bummed i cant use my Juneau anymore

[pseudo copper]

Works sometimes, but usually means enemy is just poor gearing/comp/both

[narrow aspen]

Ye that was what I was trying to say

[long barn]

yea, it usually works vs 3 BBs. that's my go to when i can't beat a 3 BB enemy fleet

[pseudo copper]

Any decent triple bb will usually win

[narrow aspen]

[long barn]

yea, i mean, that beat my 3 CVs and anchorage/shimakaze/Juneau vanguard. then i mirrored his vanguard and won

[pseudo copper]

Even mirroring vanguard, that comp is bad anyways since UvH

[long barn]

so what's the meta now? that fleet but switch UvH with Soyuz?

[pseudo copper]

I'd suggest taking a look at the sheet

Yes basically

Sheet also goes into gearing

[long barn]

the one posted by SaltyArrow?

[narrow aspen]

The top pin, yes

[boreal comet]

[boreal comet]

@long barn

[long barn]

man...blue weapon on Musashi

[gloomy sand]

unironically better

most of it is timing, yeah, but it's good on her in this gamemode

remember: speed is king

[boreal comet]

Barrage goes brrr

[long barn]

still why are the shell types different? Soyuz has AP shell gun, while the other Musashi and Seydlitz have HE

[pseudo copper]

Musashi damage on other ships is from barrage, he gun = burn

As for Seyd it is bc she is targeting vg

[whole salmon]

The whole shell type thing is honestly irrelevant in the cases of Musashi

Musashi only have 4 guns that are IJN and in the meta

2 of which, the gold Izumo gun and the rainbow Yamato gun, being too slow for any practical applications

This lead to only the blue and purple Twins as viable candidate

The blue twin Mikasa gun was brought up for testing but the results didn’t satisfy

[whole salmon]

Between these two, due the timings of the blue gun helping reduce jammings of the other BBs using MK4 or 457, lead to it being the favored option

If you are new to pvp then you probably have no clue what jamming means but I honestly cba explaining it since it is midnight

Someone else do it for me

[whole salmon]

As for the case of Seyd, to maximize her frontline damage in the early opening phase as well as avoid jamming, using a triple gun is preferred

Ofc there are a lot of arguments surrounding this as well

From the Rainbow HE MK7 to the PR Kear gun MK6 to the Rainbow Yamato AP gun

[boreal comet]

Gun jamming is just delay in firing due to universal cooldowns if the said guns are firing in a tight interval

[whole salmon]

But if your goal is to fight frontliners then using HE gun is preferred

As Anchorage has been largely removed from the current meta

[whole salmon]

The main selling point of Jintsuu meta is that she fires 2 waves of torps with consistent targeting the moment she dies. This could help you cripple or finish off a backliner. Her having invulnerability also let her be used in main tank position and sacrificed

[whole salmon]

Fortune Meta meanwhile is born to counter Jintsuu Meta as she can delete torps

[merry elm]

Aaah new ships to max out

[ocean quest]

fortune is so 2023

[light crystal]

fortune is so 2024

[snow breach]

any improvements?

[ocean quest]

-duca
-fdg
-bis2

[steel coral]

can't improve on perfection

[snow breach]

wait what

as in using other shipgirls?

[boreal comet]

Check the doc in pins and see what ships you have + gear

[snow breach]

welp

musashi it is

when will she rerun

[narrow aspen]

Not known for certain
If you have Soyuz from the recent event she's a good pick... that and any other attempts at substitutions would depend on what you have

[finite fog]

[snow breach]

just give me suggestions lol im too lazy to send screenshot

[snow breach]

if im choosing soyuz do i need a NP shipgirl in my vanguard

[hybrid agate]

nope

[brazen socket]

always ignore faction buffs

[boreal comet]

Seydlitz

[gloomy sand]

nah, russki frontlines are bad as is

[lusty hill]

Is Devonshire good at pvp

[finite fog]

is serenity good at pvp?

[pseudo copper]

Serenity is a higher up so obv

[finite fog]

[hybrid agate]

[trail temple]

Yeah he loses on purpose like Salty Belfast and then psyops by saying bad fleets are strong

[stable dawn]

[brazen socket]

are you fucking kidding

they're only NOW adding the mag torps to core shop

[narrow aspen]

I mean, AN has been archived for well over half a year now, if you wanted them

[brazen socket]

took too long

well you only get 1 of them per month so thats a draweback

[narrow aspen]

I mean, I got three in a week during the rerun, is that not fast enough
The drop rate is nb, compared to old events

[pseudo copper]

skill issue in air here

[snow breach]

should i switch duca with agir

[pseudo copper]

Refer to doc first then state who you lack to work from there

[lusty hill]

No

[stable dawn]

stay mad

[hollow walrus]

do you have JintsuuMeta?

[snow breach]

yes

[hollow walrus]

use her

[lusty hill]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1221299613794041957.webp?size=48

[light crystal]

[pseudo copper]

Aoste moment

[stable dawn]

[finite fog]

3:36

[hybrid agate]

sweaty battle

[torpid shuttle]

compared to 1 per month from 2x cards WA

um

120 runs a month?

2 per month from WA

[uneven sphinx]

i thought my eyes are bugging lol

[pseudo copper]

Just a meme fleet

[gloomy sand]

yea, memes

[inner shard]

I can't seem to run any exercises. It loads into a 'game' and I just see this forever.

Any ideas?

Maybe a #gameplay-help question, idk

[pseudo copper]

Would best be #tech-support

Believe repairing assets may work

But cannot be sure

[inner shard]

I'll give it a try, thanks

[pseudo copper]

Or try diff connection

[inner shard]

That worked, thanks @pseudo copper

[pseudo copper]

Np

[light crystal]

133 Mb hot patch, RIP lol

[plucky pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/beast-titan-titan-dab-shingeki-no-kyojin-kyojin-gif-19825859

[lusty hill]

is that new planet of the apes movie?

[boreal comet]

Yes it's extinction of the planet of the apes because there's godzilla in it

[delicate owl]

no, it's from the movie godzilla x kong: the new empire (now showing)

[keen silo]

so real

is the movie good btw? @delicate owl

thinking of watching it over the weekend

[lusty hill]

I thought new planet of the apes has been released

[delicate owl]

i have no plans with watching it in the cinema, but most likely the scenes with only humans would be not that good

[ancient raptor]

Humans are biggest mistake in movies like that.

[keen silo]

i might watch it with friends, they asked me already

movies like these r good for outings ig

[lusty hill]

You guys have friends?

[half silo]

friends is just a social construct

[sterile knot]

only 5 more levels and I can finally play the meta

[spare venture]

Laffey 2: hohohoho

[sterile knot]

nah just need these two emo chicks

[sturdy oasis]

what's meta in pvp right now? haven't touched it for years

[hollow walrus]

in pins there's a google doc with a list of meta fleets

[sturdy oasis]

cheers, will take a look

99.9% of the recommendations are like, no jintsuu meta? gg

[pseudo copper]

Check budget options tab

But yeah Jintm is quite noticeable diff

[sturdy oasis]

was she an opsi ship?

[pseudo copper]

Yeah meta fight

[sturdy oasis]

hm, shame, just when I figured I'd give pvp another try, they lock me down this way

[pseudo copper]

Just use budget options™️

[sturdy oasis]

literally have everyone else in that list lol

[pseudo copper]

If gear good enough shouldn't be a problem

Unless eos, which is still doable

[sturdy oasis]

eos? end of service? what

[hybrid agate]

End-of-Season

[sturdy oasis]

can do this one, for the lack of jintsuu meta

[pseudo copper]

Can run Shima

I prefer Laff 2, Shima, Fortm > Felix, Laff 2, Fortm unless running Seyd

[sturdy oasis]

laff 2 shima fortm + musashi soyuz NJ?

[pseudo copper]

Yeah

Will be noticeable diff from Jintm but not so large if proper gearing

[sturdy oasis]

will set it up, thanks

[rustic bridge]

Eugen time

[wicked surge]

salty in the wrong channel

[steel coral]

look closer

[lusty hill]

omg salty belfast

[snow breach]

should i use a lv115 dev30 kearsarge

[brazen socket]

Would probably work better over bismarck

[fickle echo]

A mod in #pvp

[lusty hill]

you may want to switch agir to someone else

do you have shimakaze or jintsuu meta or fortune meta?

[winged depot]

wait

its not varia

[snow breach]

i have jintsuu meta but im building her

[gloomy sand]

Kear is ehhh, most CV players have been bullied off the meta

From the looks of it, your options maybe Tamaki, FdG and Biszwei

[snow breach]

tamaki from collab event?

[keen silo]

tamaki is the best out of the 3 by far

[snow breach]

wait fr?

i thought meta is kearsarge new jersey soyuz

oh wait its musashi

[keen silo]

[snow breach]

kearsarge is still good right

i kinda dont want to waste my efforts dev30-ing her

[pseudo copper]

In pve yes, personally prefer Kear over FdG or Bisshit in pvp

[snow breach]

is biszwei overrated or shes just shadowed by top meta

[pseudo copper]

Overrated by whom?

Don't think she was ever rated high by anyone competent

[snow breach]

nevermind then

is this gear ok for pvp

[gloomy sand]

457mm - flapjack/tigercat (down to preference) - staag - hsfcr - beaver/wnt (does different things; look at sheet for more usable auxes)

[brazen socket]

Avoid shells if you can

[snow breach]

ok

is this why ive been losing to most meta fleets

[gloomy sand]

Yeah; gear makes a difference in gameplay as well

Ah, you're Avroran, mostly explains it

[snow breach]

the highest ever got was rear admiral lol

[trail temple]

People use kms ships in pvp?

[pseudo copper]

I use you in pvp

[trail temple]

Too expensive, need all your oil money

[pseudo copper]

Worth

[late heath]

you can use KMS and will win if you won't lose

[narrow aspen]

At risk of getting myself ripped to shreds... may I ask why Bismarck is so poorly regarded in PvP? I did use her myself for a time in the months between her release and JintsuuM and never found her... particularly lacking in any way (although perhaps that may come back down to the relative dearth of serious defence fleets on Amagi), so I, at least, can't quite get why she gets it so badly in PvP circles...

[gloomy sand]

Barrage doesn't hit shit on offense; she's very squishy for a UR BB; she has DR which is good, BUT is gone if her geryon rigging is up

relatively speaking, nothing changed for offense fleets; at least publicly

[narrow aspen]

When you say "barrage" you mean the black hole or the pillars of light? I must admit my original inspiration for using her was seeing the black hole suck in my vanguard on defence, but getting completely screwed on attack due to the asymmetrical positions... but are even the pillars of light not good at hitting stuff...?

[pseudo copper]

She just performs poorly compared to other options due to poor hit rate and lackluster def

Both offence and defence, though she does somewhat perform better on def than her off, not enough to justify unless stars allign

[narrow aspen]

Tbf, I guess this is academic/historical for me now... once one has discovered Soyuz, there's no going back I feel

[pseudo copper]

You sound like a drug addict now

[narrow aspen]

Gonna take the fifth on that one

[whole salmon]

We had a lot of ideas to get Bismarck to work but it mainly came down to consistency

And the current backline being stacked

• Musashi is a tank powerhouse with really high consistent barrage damage, the fact that she can use blue twin ijn gun means she will be faster than most BBs out there while avoiding jamming problems

• New Jersey has a lot of alpha damage and single target focus. She is there to run damage control aux item as a form of insurance. She also provides USS buffs and AA coverage, which we have Laffey 2 to also synergize with

• Soyuz, the new contender, simply can’t miss her barrage. Her barrage target locks onto a ship and fires with basically zero delay. You can benefit whether she targets frontline or backline.

Then you get to the lesser usage but still strong contenders like Vanguard as a substitute for 3rd slot or Kearsarge during the era with a lot of CVs

[whole salmon]

The black hole consistency on frontline is bad due to it not being targeting so you kinda have to pray the enemy ship falls into it

Bismarck Zwei resurfaced in our discussions as a potential counter to Laffey 2 due to Bismarck’s laser being multiple hit instances instead of singular damage burst, leading to shorter kill time on Laffey

But consistency of that in practice wasn’t what we had hope. Now with Soyuz to be in that slot, there’s no contending which is better

[narrow aspen]

I greatly appreciate that explanation
And ye... the current triple BB comp is something else... love it to bits except I'm that moron who doesn't run manjuu NJ

[brazen socket]

why not

[whole salmon]

Pvp is always in 2 states of comps

Either it is a fast, highly volatile comp that basically wins within the first few seconds of the match

Or a consistent slow comp where high win rate is preferred

We simply switch from one to another from time to time

[whole salmon]

We switched from Ancho Shima Juneau to Jintsuu Shima Fortune for faster comp

[whole salmon]

Then Laffey 2 immediately switches us back to slow comp

Bismarck Zwei is neither fast and volatile enough to fit into a fast comp nor is she consistent enough to fit into a slow comp

[narrow aspen]

It certainly interests me, the fact that at least some of you have tried desperately to make her work 👀

[narrow aspen]

Shuffle it a lot between my bossing USS vanguards so it's one more piece of equipment I don't want to have to shuffle on when I go onto PvP
That and I can't seem to force myself to take WNT flag off Musashi, and since Soyuz takes Fairy Magic I need NJ to carry my Beaver

[ocean quest]

just run wnt on nj off flag

[pseudo copper]

I made her work by walling @gloomy sand

[gloomy sand]

kekwinside

[whole salmon]

First it was trying Seydlitz Bismarck Zwei, then we realized it was better to just run Seydlitz with another KMS like Felix. Then we tried looking for CVs that can slow or time stop like Formidable, but CVs in this environment is not practical with Laffey around

The idea of using the laser to counter Laffey 2 was definitely discussed but the consistency of it along with the fact that we have to dedicate so many ships to simply make Bismarck viable just leave so many other holes to fill

I think even Soyuz Seydlitz Bismarck was tested to simply brute force the frontline but leaving out Musashi and NJ is not practical at the end game

[neon bronze]

But would you lose?

[gloomy sand]

Nah, I'd win

[narrow aspen]

Out of curiosity, when you refer to "we"... how many people are involved in testing all of these things? 👀

[gloomy sand]

There are groups who test pvp stuff, mostly based within an EN server (with some exceptions like AL EN Pvp discord) and closed-doors.
Lexington has a bunch of them; Amagi has some

[neon bronze]

theeeeere's also the option looking at CN players with testing lol

but not every idea will stick

[boreal comet]

Smh there are 2 beths now

[wheat torrent]

do you like try hard defense fleets, or not? why or why not?

[light crystal]

||Yes, to be a dicc||

[brazen socket]

I'd like it more if we could see defense histories

[wheat torrent]

i like my no look pvp wins, so I get irritated when I look and see I lost. I wish people just put in easy defense fleets. I know I can watch and reset if I need to, but I prefer not to

[torpid shuttle]

remove resets and add seasonal winrates (and extend seasons)?

[finite fog]

overcapping will be a lot more painful

[stable dawn]

make skills trigger at random
the battlefield 3d
and you can pay for refreshes

[finite fog]

[whole salmon]

When ideas are created, either through us, or a vid on CN bilibili, CN wiki, JP Youtube or JP wiki, we would then set it as our defense or offense, to test the various current set ups against it

A lot of the time, it ends up only being short term specific counters that don’t provide reliable win rate across a variety of fleets

[rancid star]

Does anybody know where we can see EoS rankings? Or do we just take a pic on our own for it?

[light crystal]

@stable dawn We tied?

[narrow aspen]

Evidently unpopular opinion, but I do like proper defence fleets because I do like trying weird ideas and fleets from time to time but it's hard to get a gauge on how good or bad the idea is if I can't find a competent fleet to test it against

[stable dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-archive-hina-gif-25163815

[stable dawn]

surprised you haven't overcapped yet

[glossy swift]

best pvp equipment

[winged depot]

we have a server where rankings are posted every season, the link is in the very start of the pinned guide

[lusty hill]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1095900351829377034.webp?size=48

[rancid star]

Thank you so much 🙏

[gloomy sand]

o i c that is how people get to hell

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/834183846399442988/1028753155430813737/redditsave.com_bcaj4eewbce91.gif

[boreal comet]

People who eos are taken to France

[stable dawn]

[finite fog]

[brazen socket]

@neon bronze How about no

[lusty hill]

Volga is the real value

She's the best gold CV in the game

Wait a mod

What was it

[boreal comet]

[torpid shuttle]

a good gold cv

but yea whatever evs

[boreal comet]

Serenity spreading fake news again

[gloomy sand]

1984

[lusty hill]

Subscribe for exclusive serenity evaluation

[sick moon]

don't mind the ship + gear lvls

is there anything worth changing or swapping around?
i don't own: fairy magic, wirbel luft, 2nd black torp

oh and nj is using hsfcr instead of washing machine

[zenith lantern]

You can put the beaver badge on Musashi and then give Laffey a different defensive aux. Fortune Meta over Shimakaze is probably a good idea to give your backline some protection.

Especially when you only have 1 Black Torp it’s probably better to not run 2x torp vanguards but FortM is also common enough that you have to wprry about most of your vanguard getting shut down.

[sick moon]

i do not have fortuneM aswell ):

so washing machine instead of beaver badge on laff and beaver badge instead of sg on musashi is alright?

[lean geode]

https://i.imgur.com/itWeZFm.png

ready for PVP

[zenith tundra]

juneau is cheaper and easier to run then shima. would swap wnt to musashi and give soyuz fairy magic or sg radar, also a hpfcr on nj would be better then rudder, don't need 2 defensive aux on her

for whatever reason tl people won't accept the fact that juneau is literally the same if not better then fortune meta, people still tiering like shima does anything nowdays

[gloomy sand]

Sotuz gear is fine; BiS for her is Fairy Magic poster but WNT works fine
Musashi gets the beaver badge, no other changes
Nj wants hsfcr over rudder. Slow fire rste = death

frontline aa guns in general are a bit irrelevant nowadays, CVs aren't as muchof a threat compared to the past
so shima and jintM use staag imo; raimbow aa gun works as well

black torp aux is a must on most torp-focused frontlines in pvp, so equip tjat on jintM

laff-ii in this case I prefer her being tanky, so spam +hp gears on her like goldburn, wirbel luft, any +550/640 hp aux (+10 and +13 enhance)
that leaves 3 gears to put on to satisfy her uss gear reqs for one of her skills: USS magtorps, one expensive AA accelerator gun and quadbofors

Also, Juneau being decent in this meta? Hmm, might try her out as well

[humble robin]

Thanks for that degenerate that put up strong defense while i was mot paying attention and lost

[keen silo]

isnt that your own fault

[hybrid agate]

[sick moon]

easy aotn with like no sandbagging

[hybrid agate]

grats

[sick moon]

thank u

[winged depot]

[light crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/pamiat-merkuria-azur-lane-pamiat-merkuria-gif-23059705

[finite fog]

what fleet did you lose to?

[neon bronze]

awawawa

better not with biszwei in it...

that's my brand

[humble robin]

Generic meta

But got aotn next reset

So its fine

[boreal comet]

[uneven sphinx]

I only have Jintsuu Meta in 3 stars (didnt do meta bosses much during that time) should I use it? Still using Achorage, Shimakaze and Laffey II (i also have Fortune Meta max out)

[grim solar]

What ship in the Rock vanguard comp should get Pearl's Tears?

Cuz I nearly lost to the default Heisenberg comp even though I'm using the counter, and the difference seems to be Pearl's Tears on their side.

[lusty hill]

probably jintsuu meta or none at all

ancho and laffey2 is too durable to die early

[grim solar]

Alright.

[light crystal]

Damn is No Data hitting the dream score?

[stable dawn]

he's competing for R0 unlike us bozos

[empty crater]

[gloomy sand]

They can pound me

[light crystal]

Maybe it's time to do your part and rush, so he bags easier

[stable dawn]

only if you overcap

[light crystal]

Make No Data king

[delicate owl]

pvp exp farm r1 in washington when?

[keen silo]

hahahahahaahha pvp exp farm

[grim solar]

Out of curiosity, what's like the most unfun pvp meta of all time (in your opinion)?

Like a meta that's unfair to fight, or just super difficult to counter.

[stable dawn]

the one we just had

musashi hiryuu nj/kear
jintm shima fortm

winrate even with the top meta fleets was no higher than 70%

you just had to pray you didn't get unlucky

enty duels during closed beta were probably worse, but I wasn't around to see them

[brazen socket]

You also NEEDED to watch the screen more than now

[stable dawn]

[grim solar]

So basically it's a slugfest that was so RNG dependent.

[stable dawn]

always has been

only meta that was less rng based was warkai