pvp

[ocean quest]

i just meant that he could check if others are also 9s, if fighting ether is that bothersome

[boreal comet]

True words of wisdom I live by

[keen silo]

like if u know u gonna make aotn regardless

might as well take the ez fights if u cant be bothered

[buoyant parrot]

how to Aotn = JUST DON'T LOSE.

[ocean quest]

dont lose a shitton* you can easily get it with some losses

[humble robin]

Im telling you i could not reach aotn

[buoyant parrot]

that's a lame excuse to get aotn, Chad move is to not lose

[boreal comet]

You can aotn on last set even if you lose some

[buoyant parrot]

at all

[fickle echo]

If you take too long and there's more people rushing at the same time you might miss it anyway

[humble robin]

Before i learned about sandbag

Always lost once at least randomly

[keen silo]

at least ur getting it on the regular now

[humble robin]

Yeah sandbag luck

[buoyant parrot]

if you never lost your matches you cansually get aotn if it's just for the sake of getting the mail reward

[ocean quest]

chad move would be getting it on friday set 1

[buoyant parrot]

the rest is sleep

[buoyant parrot]

that's mega chad

[ocean quest]

were there ever aotns on set 1 on tw @keen silo

[humble robin]

This week i tried hard and got it friday set2

[keen silo]

highest i saw was 2185 or something

[humble robin]

First day i had a 36 point win that was dope

[ocean quest]

iirc you needed like 2600 +0 pace

[keen silo]

regularly it was jus 2175 or something lol

[ocean quest]

baggers could prob get it if they zeroed

[ocean quest]

[keen silo]

highest i have on me rn

[humble robin]

I mean i got no extra point many times due to unlick

[keen silo]

yars is crazy

[humble robin]

Thats yesterday?

[keen silo]

nope

last last year

[buoyant parrot]

lets calculate your guesstimate score. What's your attemp now?

5/10?

[keen silo]

i said it was 2022 lol

[buoyant parrot]

ohh nvm

lol

[keen silo]

i don’t play tw anymore

[buoyant parrot]

i was about to call the power of cheshire

[humble robin]

I have 4 attempts now

[buoyant parrot]

;pace 4 2274

[ocean quest]

[finite fog]

[ocean quest]

its prob like 2564

yea

[buoyant parrot]

[keen silo]

and in that ss i was 2138 5/10, its low pace tbh

i played tw when i was still bad

[humble robin]

Whats the max?

2600ish?

[keen silo]

highest i ever got with 210 attempts is 2614

[buoyant parrot]

the max is Famine level

[humble robin]

Yeah thats nuts

[ocean quest]

wat was EN highest again

[humble robin]

Also i kept my sleep schedule

[keen silo]

no one knows, u have to ask famine probably

only he would know

[ocean quest]

oh the ancient ancient times

[buoyant parrot]

forgot lol

[keen silo]

or any other zombie

the pvp u have now is a joke compared to old one

[buoyant parrot]

it is forgotten saga

[ocean quest]

2587 rank 1 🔥

[keen silo]

u have to ask the people who wrote the old guides

or famine

for the real history

[buoyant parrot]

Season 2

[ocean quest]

[keen silo]

im also considered new pvp wise

[buoyant parrot]

Amagi

[keen silo]

so dont ask me

[buoyant parrot]

[humble robin]

It looks old

Greyed out

[buoyant parrot]

it was just season 2

its from Mutsuki Network

[ocean quest]

no thats like a month ago

snh

[buoyant parrot]

welp all oil spent, back to wuthering waves!

[humble robin]

Is it in beta?

[ocean quest]

realistically 2600-01 is top score on avrora nowadays @humble robin

i cant elaborate much since i dont play there

[humble robin]

Ok thanks, yeah thats not happening

[ocean quest]

other, lower populated servers get lower scores

[humble robin]

Avrora is a home to many tryhards

[ocean quest]

no coping, just malding allowed

[finite fog]

Like the tryhards trying to get aotn

[coral wren]

that's absolutely cracked. Must be pre much 100% winrate and efficient at bagging to get that right?

[ocean quest]

you don't lose fights ever

you're not supposed to

[coral wren]

No I get that, if you get an unlucky start you just restart the fight

But even then 2600 is nuts

[ocean quest]

yea

[humble robin]

It almost like playing 7/24

[ocean quest]

my highest is only 2590 but on washy

[ocean quest]

not really

[humble robin]

You need to be there a lot for those rank gaps

[coral wren]

How many points does an opponent need to have on you before they're eligible for a bonus again

[keen silo]

there is a law of disminishing returns

all ill say

[ocean quest]

yea

[humble robin]

There is a chart

Plus you can get multiple bonus points

[coral wren]

yuh I just beat a guy and got +13

[whole salmon]

I just realized Seydlitz event re run got skipped

They jumped straight to the Italian CV re run

[ocean quest]

[boreal comet]

Very unfortunate

[humble robin]

I started last year right after Aquila banner

[boreal comet]

I wanted Emden

[whole salmon]

Yeah Impero re run is next

[humble robin]

W15 was pain

[whole salmon]

Seydlitz got skipped

[coral wren]

I really think that UR's should be added to the perma pool after 1 rerun only. I get it's a new thing, they've only started doing it recently, but it's feelsbad to have to wait years in some cases

And SR banners are even worse

[keen silo]

[whole salmon]

That’s what it gets for being the worse event revenue wise of that year

Unfortunate

[boreal comet]

This is IBphobic

[whole salmon]

[ocean quest]

they get added after 1 rerun

[coral wren]

yeah by the time it becomes time for a 2nd rerun

I mean the moment that 1st rerun ends

[whole salmon]

Russians huh

A slow hopefully

[coral wren]

There was a year and a half between Shinano's rerun and her getting added to the pool, like get bent

[whole salmon]

Since her 2 sisters have them

There doesn’t seem to be other russian ships worth using

[ocean quest]

eos year

[whole salmon]

Unfortunate synergy wise

[coral wren]

Have abilities for the Ruski ships been revealed yet

or only visuals

[whole salmon]

Could still be interesting alternative for the currently contested 3rd slot

[coral wren]

Yeah I mean it's hard to imagine a UR BB being bad, but does she outmuscle Musashi and New Jersey

or even Kearsarge for that matter

[whole salmon]

It is always the third slot dilemma

Whether it is frontline or backline

For every single damn meta

[coral wren]

I expect to see her a lot with people experimenting with her

But will just have to see where she falls in for both pvp and pve

[whole salmon]

A lot of them are good in pve but quite a few fell flat in pvp

I meant URs in general

[coral wren]

I mean Vanguard, Mushy Sushi and New Jersey are all bops

But yeah general UR's fair enough

[whole salmon]

The CV scene is quite disappointing

[coral wren]

That's just cause Laffey 2 is a toxic fucking ship I hate that stupid fucking ship so much

Single handedly removes CV's from viability

[whole salmon]

There were a lot of factors at play

It started way before Laffey 2’s release

[coral wren]

Yeah okay that's an overstatement, but Laffey 2 is a pretty good microchasm of how bad CV's are atm

[boreal comet]

CVs were already dying before Laffey II

[whole salmon]

During the Jintsuu M Shima Fortuna M era, CVs are mostly already gone aside from Hiryuu

Fights don’t last long enough for Shinano to be useful and Aquila’s Wyvern torp wave can be removed by Fortune’s slash

[coral wren]

I never played during those old metas but I feel Hiryuu users are stuck in the past, I never struggle against her

[whole salmon]

Then came in Kearsarge dev 30 that can reveal CVs

[coral wren]

She's annoying with final counter but thats it

[whole salmon]

Then came in Laffey 2

[coral wren]

It's also kinda pick your poison tbf

Because if cv's are good it becomes a game of who gets the better damage spread on their launches

which is also kinda boring

[whole salmon]

It used to be like that like 3.5 years ago

[coral wren]

I do enjoy the intense 3 BB matchups with barrages flying all the time

[whole salmon]

During the peak of Nagato Shinano Hiryuu comps

It was after concealment mechanic was implemented but before Aquila

So the heights of IJN supremacy

[coral wren]

Fair, metas come and go, but unless I have missed info (which is possible, am noob) I don't see how CV's can creep back into the pvp meta at least

Cause I don't think they nerf ships?

[whole salmon]

Better gear could be an option

Or more ships that reduces damage spikes and promote consistency

[coral wren]

I mean the guide says it right, the devs don't give a fuck about pvp

[ocean quest]

thats her purpose

[coral wren]

I mean I get the idea, it's similar to Eagle Damage Control

perhaps get an extra launch out of that immunity window

But idk, she doesn't feel that oppressive, not worth the slot

[ocean quest]

attacker advantage

[whole salmon]

They don’t do direct nerfs but they do have indirect nerfs

[ocean quest]

yes laffey 2 can 1v1 her easily

[whole salmon]

There was the triple torp meme era of Noshiro Naganami Jintsuu

[coral wren]

Laffey 2 users when their opponent has 1 (one) CV

[whole salmon]

And the devs indirectly nerfed it into oblivion

[whole salmon]

Indirect nerfs:

• WNT: Reduces damage spikes
• Nelson flag: Reduces frontline pressure
• Manjuu: Stops Juneau from dying
• VV: Reduces torp damage by 20%
• Duca Abruzzi: Torp shield for frontline
• Aquila: Preload to counter Shinano as well as kill squishy triple torp frontline
• Anchorage: Shield invul and smoke

All of that came out within a few months back to back

And then, triple torp was gone

[coral wren]

Fair, there's definitely ways to ''address'' metas without directly doing so

[whole salmon]

Until it came back

[coral wren]

Because ''oh this is good, make it do less damage'' is also the most feelsbad way to have your comp nerfed

[whole salmon]

Jintsuu Meta was the breaking point that pushed Shimakaze over the edge

[ocean quest]

was jintsuu meta on purpose or not

[whole salmon]

Laffey is then the correction

[coral wren]

Jintsuu is a problem, that chica slaps

[ocean quest]

her kit is perfect for pvp, surely that was fully on purpose

[coral wren]

I feel Laffey 2 and Guam were Manjuu nudging people to try world 15

[whole salmon]

Like honestly, the pvp focused gears aside

[coral wren]

okay it's super giga anti air based, here's 2 UR's that specifically hard counter air

[whole salmon]

The Italians are also definitely pvp purposed

[ocean quest]

obv, same as releasing ASW ships after w14

[whole salmon]

That trio erased IJN from the map

It went from 6 IJN dominance to no IJN at all

[ocean quest]

well that was a whiiile ago though

msn meta stayed for a long while as well

[whole salmon]

I honestly feel like Jintsuu Meta was meant to be paired up with Unzen

But then no one used Unzen

[coral wren]

I used Unzen while building my Anchorage

I love her to death but girl stay home for pvp

You have many talents, that's not one of them

[whole salmon]

I wonder what sort of correction they are planning this time

[coral wren]

CV's take 50% less damage blanket and gain increased reload when revealed

every match is decided by shinano airstrike

[whole salmon]

If they plan to solve Laffey, they would give Soyuz a barrage with constant hits like Bismarck’s lazer

[ocean quest]

patch notes:

• removed musashi from the game

[coral wren]

[whole salmon]

If they plan to solve Jintsuu Meta, probably a torp shield

[coral wren]

Eugen SZN?????

[whole salmon]

Bismarck Zwei was noted as a counter to Laffey on a conceptual level

Just not a counter on a practical level due to insane inconsistency with her barrage in pvp

[coral wren]

Bis2 can single handedly violate your vanguard

or do 0 damage whatsoever

[whole salmon]

Or even better

A summon

A summon that stands right infront of your backline

[coral wren]

god no more summons please

[whole salmon]

That summon can then block the torps

[coral wren]

My phone praying for its fucking life when there's 2 laffey strikers and a geryon on screen

[whole salmon]

That idea was tested using Kirov Meta but not to much success due to the placement being too far forward

[coral wren]

mm a shield summon is defo an interesting concept

[whole salmon]

So a backline placement summon could theoretically counter torps

[coral wren]

Some form of torp-hate would be an awesome introduction but if you make it too specific then it will probably end up not being used

[whole salmon]

Tho chances are

Soyuz would be more for world 15

[coral wren]

Praying Essex META is the next showdown ship

That design is class

[ocean quest]

laffey 2

[coral wren]

do those things block torps?

thought they were AA only

[ocean quest]

what, they shoot the enemies and have collision

[whole salmon]

Laffey 2’s summons don’t consistently block torps due to them moving

But they may be able to change the trajectory of magnetic ones

Even then it isn’t consistent

[coral wren]

did not know they had collision with torps

what a stupid overloaded mechanic

on Laffey 2 though, why is Guam not used? Not bursty enough?

[ocean quest]

she dies

slow

[whole salmon]

The reason why CBs aren’t used in general is due to a lot of things

[coral wren]

fair enough

[whole salmon]

The slow speed, the class multiplier

And the armor type

And the existence of Jintsuu Meta

[coral wren]

Saw a chad running Owari/Musashi/Shinano

[coral wren]

Man loves his IJN girls

[whole salmon]

In pvp, there exist class multipliers

Which leans towards the usage of DDs and CLs for frontlines

[ocean quest]

food

[coral wren]

yeah I was tangentially aware of these but I just knew it boiled down to spam DD's and CL's

[whole salmon]

Ontop of that also has the advantage of light armor type, most BBs run 457s AP guns

[coral wren]

25% damage reduction is ridiculous

[whole salmon]

There’s also less exposure to torp based barrages

[coral wren]

oh yeah it was free but I do enjoy how some people flex with their defense fleets

[whole salmon]

And the speed being higher frees up auxiliary slot

[coral wren]

that ''IF YOU LOSE YOU ARE GAY'' thing Naxy posted was funny as fuck

[ocean quest]

well that is a defense fleet tho

[whole salmon]

Only a few CAs and CBs have ever entered pvp successfully

I think most notable of which is still Anchorage by a large margin

[coral wren]

Anchorage's coverage is just too good

[whole salmon]

But long before her, there was also Azuma and Saint Louis

[coral wren]

Saint Louis was meta? Based

Fave french boat

[whole salmon]

It was a long time ago, really long time ago

[coral wren]

back when we rode dinosaurs to school

[whole salmon]

Back when torps weren’t an issue and BBs don’t even have good AP guns

Some even incentives running VH armor on Azuma

Or even VH armor on Hiryuu and Amagi

[coral wren]

I find it really funny that UVH is completely unusable compared to FDG

[whole salmon]

It has to do with the funny gimmick

[ocean quest]

wasnt it fixed

[whole salmon]

Yea, but the bad stigma is still there

[coral wren]

why do torpedoes even do damage to begin with

shipgirls float above the water

[whole salmon]

Before it was fixed, you were able to essentially nerf UvH to the ground

-50% damage when off flag was UvH’s thing

And the damage reduction used to stack additively

So you used to be able to push it to -90% or -95%

[coral wren]

Still more useful than CV's

[whole salmon]

That’s what made Ari’s eos with a scuffed UvH even more impressive

[coral wren]

I would love to experiment with UvH but it feels like she's just worse FDG for pvp

bug or no bug

[deft escarp]

How would CBs perform if we had a VH Armor Plate but it gives light armor instead

[whole salmon]

I still have that image saved

[whole salmon]

Ari’s legendary UvH

[coral wren]

what a chad

[whole salmon]

Battle tractor max and Monarch gun

[coral wren]

her 3rd skill literally loses 3/4th of its uses in pvp too

unless its specifically changed for exercises

I mean she still gets crit damage which is good but

[brazen socket]

Devs wont bother to fix her kit to make her relevant in pvp kek

[whole terrace]

@humble robin 457 on biszwei may be better for you cos you have 3 of them at +13. The damage is gonna be miles better even though it's slower and there may be some jamming

[lunar turret]

By chance yall think the Gridman fleet would work in PvP like chise yume and rikka I tried them 3 out and they like melted through the vanguard

[boreal comet]

It's a meme fleet

Not great tho

[lunar turret]

What’s like the meta vanguard again

[boreal comet]

Check pins for the doc

[late heath]

Kashino Front 3 Meta

[void mason]

Send link please.

[humble robin]

Ok thanks

[hollow walrus]

where gunless tech

[fickle echo]

That was unknown not me

[hollow walrus]

oh right that was unknown

[spiral owl]

Strongest IB fleet vs weakest EU fleet

[light crystal]

@stable dawn Just had a -4? Damn.

[stable dawn]

You ate a -4???

[light crystal]

Damn, it must've hurt

[stable dawn]

I'm not sure whether to be impressed by your senility or your questionable mathematics

[finite fog]

How???

[light crystal]

It's ok boo boo, I'm sure you can still get 2nd

[finite fog]

How do you even manage that with low pace?

[stable dawn]

maybe he greeded all 5 refreshes in 1 set

[light crystal]

Oh it's a -2.

[stable dawn]

you recalculated and still got it wrong

https://tenor.com/view/amogus-gif-465143427987771358

[fickle echo]

Aoste level maths

[light crystal]

Oh no, it was a -5 then?!

[stable dawn]

no I got a +1

are you okay bro

[light crystal]

But you were ahead more

[stable dawn]

no? I was 87, now I'm 88

[light crystal]

Third place pace?

[ocean quest]

im at 98 +0 pace

[stable dawn]

who's on first?

[ocean quest]

aoste, of course

[light crystal]

not me, of course

[coral wren]

Me too, buddy

[ocean quest]

5*

[coral wren]

yeah ikr

committed to the bit

https://i.imgur.com/1ikLqWc.png

but if you have an NJ hidden somewhere

probably use her

[coral wren]

I'm gonna bother you cause you've been very helpful so far.

In the guide it says this:

I have no ambitions of any eos stuff, but how would rushing AotN work? Just get bag bonuses when you happen to get them and full send every reset assuming 100% wr?

[ocean quest]

yes

[coral wren]

Or is there more nuance to it. I've gotten better at bagging during the long reset but that's the easy part I feel. It's managing those 15 exercises you get after that I'm still juggling the intricacies of

[ocean quest]

earliest you can get aotn is friday week 2 set 2

[coral wren]

the way it goes for me is generally get 1 bag bonus when I wake up before daily reset. Daily reset, send 3-4 exercises, keep 3-4 in pocket for bag bonuses throughout the day

[ocean quest]

you can zero out once per day, you wont suffer too much if you dont care for eosing

[coral wren]

And then it's just gonna be luck if you happen to be in the top 10 ig

[ocean quest]

no

you can zero out set 1 and just use remaining ones quickly after

if you bag until then you will have a lot more points than rushers and can manage it until end or so

when I overcapped like 7 attempts i could still rank 1 at 0/10 on sunday set 1 or so

[coral wren]

I see. So it's more a speed game and ''get it now'' at the cost of having dogshit end of season score due to lack of bonuses

[ocean quest]

if you want to get it as quickly as you can, I suppose

i never did that beacuse i dont care about merits

[coral wren]

I don't care about merit, I want the profile badge

[ocean quest]

ask @lusty hill

he does that all the time for some reason

[coral wren]

RushGodX

[ocean quest]

and then complains he cant get top10 eos even if he never tried??

[coral wren]

this is him then

It sounds more up my alley because while I've learned to love pvp, I don't care that much about score maxxing?

I'd love to have the aotn profile badge and then fuck it chuck it

just have fun and build fleets

[ocean quest]

sounds weird but alright

[coral wren]

I mean if there were in-game rewards for ranking eos then I'd be all over it

but since it's all community-sided it sounds fun to get once, see if I can do it

then take it easy after

[ocean quest]

i mean merit is pretty useless either way

[coral wren]

yeah I mean free orange bulins are nice but

that store could definitely use a buff

https://i.imgur.com/roDnQAL.png

lmfao

that's crazy lore

https://i.imgur.com/zuXg63H.png

Veston was so proud of that trick, was he

really wanted his name associated with it

[finite fog]

there's a lot of crazy lore

[stable dawn]

[winged depot]

[serene epoch]

1tonight

[humble robin]

@whole terrace look who is that:D

[grim solar]

Finally. First time achieving Admiral of the Navy rank.

[humble robin]

congratz

[naive rapids]

Real

[lusty hill]

congrats

[neon bronze]

Good job

[trail temple]

https://tenor.com/view/evangelion-eva-congratulations-neon-genesis-gif-4884859

[whole terrace]

how is the fleet going

[humble robin]

So far so good, only had few restarts

Need to level those 2 ships

[plucky pawn]

lol

[trail temple]

[whole terrace]

Glad to hear it. A tip: upgraded bb aux guns will help shred the enemy vg faster, which is pretty impactful in this meta

[humble robin]

Golden plates are baaad

Haaard to geeeet

[trail temple]

They aren't really, in addition to getting 10 plates of your choice every 4(?) days with guild tokens, there's the daily every Monday, Thursday and Sunday where you can some golden plates, the sub weekly gives some - this does require you to be lv95+ mind you. This is on top of grinding out opsi

So as long as you play the game, you'll have enough

[neon bronze]

Clearly it is not enough

A lot of orders for gold gun plates

[trail temple]

Grind harder

Also make sure you have enough gen plates for our 2nd table that we should be getting soonish

[humble robin]

Rip

@whole terrace you created a beast comp

Im done for the week

Thanks, its pretty strong

[lusty hill]

No 2 in avrora

Huh did I get dethroned already

[neon bronze]

That's on you for rushing aotn

Idk what you even want there, point or merit

[lusty hill]

https://tenor.com/view/my-goals-are-beyond-your-understanding-reverse-flash-eobard-thawne-the-flash-gif-16637212

[coral wren]

Yippee ka yay new season in 2 hours

[lusty hill]

We all get a fresh start

Our mistakes and overcap won't hold us down anymore

[coral wren]

Mashallah rushing brother

Could I dm you some q's about your general approach @lusty hill?

[trail temple]

[neon bronze]

kekwinside~1

[coral wren]

Fiercer when cornered!

Bun bun strikers!

[late heath]

waiting for laffey to die at the end of every match

[coral wren]

"The 'Ship That Wouldn't Die' won't go down so easily!"

[late heath]

[coral wren]

Elite Damage Control!

[light crystal]

[half silo]

so basically get ready to overcap in new season right? Right?

[winged depot]

new sandy high score grats @half silo

[finite fog]

@half silo congrats again!

[half silo]

Ty guys

[finite fog]

are you an agent?

[winged depot]

lol you 2 broke the high score in just 1 season

[half silo]

I‘m working against the organization

[finite fog]

[half silo]

https://tenor.com/view/hououin-kyouma-okabe-rintarou-mad-scientist-anime-gif-15930811

[finite fog]

you literaly came out of nowhere at the last day

gg

[half silo]

didn‘t expect such an outcome either

was ready for that 2nd or 3rd spot

gg

[ocean quest]

washington is stepping up 😔 2590 wont do anymore

[fickle echo]

Just build a time machine and go back to the 2589 era

[whole terrace]

No worries, it was fun to theorycraft it

[stable dawn]

@light crystal how long has it been since you last eos'd before this season?

[light crystal]

For once I didn't overcapped

https://tenor.com/view/maximum-effort-deadpool-gif-12107347

[coral wren]

Rank 2k, okay, lemme do an exercise, been a few hours surely it gives bonus

Gets bonus

Kekwait

[humble robin]

[boreal comet]

IB fanboy

:susedge:

[coral wren]

Good choice

[humble robin]

Yeah me and my friends are total IB simps

I really like HMS also but they did make a single banner for that faction for a year since i play

[boreal comet]

:susedge:

[coral wren]

A worthy opponent, sir SimpLordChad

[humble robin]

This totally sucks

Oh well

[ocean quest]

\

[serene epoch]

\

[brazen socket]

Shouldnt be too much of a problem

Its only the 1st cycle

So you're not overcapped yet

[humble robin]

yeah but noone was attacking and its almost time to use tries

[brazen socket]

Why would u bag 1st set

[humble robin]

there was not enough score difference

then i decided to attack one

second had finally rank difference and got 38 points

[brazen socket]

Joosy

[trail temple]

Avrora plays a bit differently to other servers

No point asking why, it just is

[coral wren]

Avrora pvpers are assembled asymmetrically

Constructed curiously

Those dudes are stacked

[sturdy kraken]

yeah

last day and they appear out of nowhere

[prisma pagoda]

That's iLing fleet?
Last time I battle a similar fleet... Last 1min and half

Not doing PVP for like 6 month... Does anyone have a Solid one fleet?

[hybrid agate]

check the doc on pin, it is updated with various fleet comps

[prisma pagoda]

My bad... In my phone, the link didn't display well

[winged depot]

all you need to know is that laffey 2 is on steroids

[light crystal]

Who's ready for a possible meta shift this week?

[winged depot]

not like its gonna change that much

[humble robin]

Hopefully we get another bad np ur

[neon bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/oppai-titties-cat-kono-subarashii-gif-17671830

nop

let me see them tiddies live

[lusty hill]

soyuz will have preload and 100% barrage and when main gun fire she will heal and give hp shield to vanguard

[winged depot]

daily dose of copium by serenity

[finite fog]

and you still won't make eos

[ocean quest]

these take longer than a week

[zenith lantern]

All that will happen if she's good is she'll slot in alongside NJ and Musashi as the best backline team.

[fickle echo]

Even if Soyuz is not good in PvP people might still cope on her being good just like Bis2

[lusty hill]

Will there be soyuz conspiracy

[boreal comet]

Aren't many NP fanboys compared to IB

Noyuz conspiracy

[deft escarp]

Soy

[lusty hill]

We'll have to wait and see

[fickle echo]

You are the one who thinks everything is a conspiracy

[late heath]

wait til they release UR Kashino

[humble robin]

Interesting

[zenith lantern]

Yeah bagging the first day or even the 2nd day is extremely luck dependant. Until you're a few days in there's a big chance of rolling players who are overcapping every day. Most top players play the first day almost as a rusher and then only start to bag day 2 or 3

[junior trench]

Soyuz better be good for PvP, I am really struggling with not having Musashi after she dodged me twice

[ocean quest]

twice?

[junior trench]

Maybe it was only once? I don't remember.

However many times she's had her event is how many times she's dodged me.

[ocean quest]

she wasnt reran

[junior trench]

Regardless, I'm really paying for not getting Musashi

[lusty hill]

Musashi rerun conspiracy

[ocean quest]

only higher ups got the rerun

[undone blade]

I crafted her blue gun in hopes it spawns a rerun

[trail temple]

Maybe later this year if we're lucky, still have Kron and Vanguard

I'm just looking forward to my 2nd 460mm

People sleep on it

[undone blade]

Well, I'm sitting on 5 UR bulins. Need to see who deserves them most

Lots of us will have 2 new UR BBs in a couple weeks

[trail temple]

Yeah, I am looking forward to my 13th NJ

[brazen socket]

To be fair in a meta that still likes helena and needing to match up to vanguards timings
Its just really hard to find use for a 460 its only for really specific meta fights & ex fights and some specific fleet set ups

[boreal comet]

Nice argument however I'll use that gun without Helena and Vanguard

Same way I use mk6 on Kearsarge

[brazen socket]

I mean thats

Kinda the point

When you use the gun you want to ignore those two

[lusty hill]

Why do you want 2 of it?

Is this a secret higher up tech :ranchSexNerd:

[brazen socket]

2 460mm one for soyuz one for seydlitz cause soyuz will have a preload that deletes any ship with the name laffey

[lusty hill]

lol I forgot about that

Her preload kinda broken considering she have on fire heal and hp shield

[neon bronze]

cleo and serenitits are a day ahead

what is this tech

[boreal comet]

The 460 conspiracy

[trail temple]

You were the one to tell me I needed two! How could you forget your own advice!?

[lusty hill]

brainrot

[neon bronze]

the pvp consumes

[trail temple]

Pvp only taketh, not giveth

[sudden spoke]

Short Term PvP Span. STPvPS

[clear briar]

[glad brook]

[humble robin]

Man its so weird

This channel is helpful

And in the gameplay-help, i mostly had toxic experiences

Generally its the other way around that pvp is toxic and help is nice

[grim kernel]

Says alot about the Gameplay help people

[humble robin]

They might be nice, its just my experience

Many times happened that i got shit for trying to help someone and they did not agree

With my answer to a question

Im afraid to go there anymore

[boreal comet]

[spiral owl]

Some "individuals" are unhinged sadly, and nobody is calling them out in fear of getting banned or some shit

[humble robin]

Rip

Im glad this is like a safehouse here

[spice gale]

[fickle echo]

Kroto in #pvp

[boreal comet]

Kroto has come to replace 1tonight

[clear briar]

PVP is significantly more sweaty though

[spiral owl]

Atleast everyone playing pvp is aware that they're degenerates

[boreal comet]

You mean less braindead

[clear briar]

Trying my best to spite the dual METAsweat fleets

[boreal comet]

If naxy can do it

[clear briar]

Been trying Kearsarge but she feels more brittle than Zwei somehow

[fickle echo]

Bis2 smh

[clear briar]

My Kears is dev 30 too

[fickle echo]

Don't you have Vanguard?

[clear briar]

Yes
Max level

[fickle echo]

She's literally the 3rd best BB for PvP right now

[coral wren]

https://i.imgur.com/7NvP5NU.png you look a bit different Jintsuu, you feeling alright?

[boreal comet]

Soyuz will replace her trust

[fickle echo]

I assume you have them with max crystals but at low level, right?

[coral wren]

Kears needs good protection to live but she sweeps Bis2 in damage output

Bis2 can be very good but way more RNG reliant from my experience

Albeit I don't have her, but I face her quite a lot

[fickle echo]

If you have Vanguard just use her, even if she dies as long she survives 2s you get a free 10% damage buff to all your fleet

[coral wren]

Noob question

What is that shield thing I see a lot of vanguards have

it floats in front of them

Like a literal medieval shield

[fickle echo]

Skin from event

[coral wren]

Ah, I see

[fickle echo]

Doesn't have any effect

[coral wren]

thought it was some weird item that gave light armour

How do you guys plan your bags/rushes with long maintenance like we'll have tomorrow

Do you go to 0 before reset?

[boreal comet]

Imagine if that were true

Aux item that changes armor and hull

[coral wren]

I'm flip flopping on what to do. I'll be home before the long reset happens so I won't overcap, and maintenance will prob end around 4 my time

So I'll be at work another hour and a half, and people will most likely rush right after

so I either hold and rush when I get home or rush beforehand, I'm not sure

[fickle echo]

The only reason to do that is if a extended maintenance would make you lose sleep to do pvp

[coral wren]

Nah I'm Europoor so it starts at 8 AM my time

I'm a normal-ass dude with a normal-ass job so I'll be awake

[clear briar]

Gear skins can help identify who's torp is who's

[coral wren]

I haven't gotten to a point where I feel it's relevant to identify who's firing torps

It is pretty funny when your vanguard happens to move exactly and perfectly across the pattern of a spreading torpedo barrage though

I usually insta reset when that happens

[boreal comet]

Juneau torps

[clear briar]

I like to imagine that these skins do deal more damage let me dream

[tough estuary]

Stop waking up from the simulation

[humble robin]

Gear matters a lot, since someone here custom fit my fleet i barely have to restart, and i dont even have mushashi

I like Bisko over Kearsarge because she has dragon that can soak some hits

Plus Kearsarge can discover cv which i dont want geneally so my bbs can take down enemy bbs

Only time i had to restart recently when i hit wall comp

[ocean quest]

just do it normally if you dont expect to sleep between maint end and set finish

[coral wren]

Naw I'll bag. Maint is 8 AM - 4 PM if it's giga long

So just most of my shift

[ocean quest]

yea no need to zero

[coral wren]

I was a greedy fucking dumbass and lost a game like 2 days ago, I'm still annoyed over it

If it ends up making a big difference c'est la vie, try again next season

[ocean quest]

not really

especially that early

[coral wren]

I thought early losses would matter more, actually

Cause the base point gain is higher

[ocean quest]

no, because you will still have the same amount of fights before 1050

in reality you will lose the points at the very end

[coral wren]

Ah that makes sense, I suppose. But I have no giga eos ambitions as it stands anyways

Comp isn't consistent enough. I'd need a Mushy Sushi and another good vanguard to compliment anchorage and shimakaze

F. Schultz will be fun to build but she's a dollar store alternative for Jintsuu META

Praying Soyuz is good

[humble robin]

No laffey2?

[coral wren]

She's being built. I need to 6* her which i will do tomorrow with the reset stimmy hitting

Could front Ancho Shima Laffey2 I suppose

It's mostly that Musashi basically has a 100% representation rate in any non-meme defense fleet I face, and while NJ/FDG/Kearsarge has been serviceable, just feels lacking

Musashi's barrage hits so fucking hard and way more consistently than NJ's

[humble robin]

Hmm

My Nj is a beast

Generally mvp

[coral wren]

Mine feels feast or famine. She either sweeps up the entire vanguard and single-handedly wins the game or brutally and violently annihilates thin air

[humble robin]

Can you show her gear?

[coral wren]

Not atm, am in bed and uninstalled AL on phone, only play via bluestacks

[humble robin]

Ok

[coral wren]

But it's not fantastic, I lack the research UR gun, for one

Might get it tomorrow if OpSi drops go my way

[humble robin]

Yeah i play for a year

Got 3 of them already

I was prioritizing that, i considered that best bb gun

[coral wren]

I was an idiot and completely ignored opsi for almost all of my time playing. Only picked it up end of last month

[humble robin]

I see

[coral wren]

Think I just need a bunch of the uh

Top Secret document things at this point

[humble robin]

Yeah

[coral wren]

Good shout on Laffey2 though, not sure why I mentally blanked on her. That ship gives me grey hairs to face

Literally refuses to die

[humble robin]

Yeah she is great

Also on world 15

[coral wren]

Aye I barely scratched and clawed past 15-1, might give it another good go with Laffey2 fully up to speed

Wonder when Aquila will rerun, she's also supposed to be insane on w15

[humble robin]

I started after aquila rerun ladt year

March or sth

So i dont have her either

I used unicorn and painsleve

[coral wren]

Imo it should be:
Release > Fomo window for a year > Rerun > Added to perma pool right after

[humble robin]

Should

😄

[coral wren]

Yeah real manjuu doesnt give a fuck

Buy the bikini skins, paypig

[humble robin]

Lol

My main wall is that i dont have ur cvs

Could not beat Helena hard

The zodiac challange

Ppl used ur cvs

Im mainly focusing on my bbs

[coral wren]

What like York2 Implacable Shinano?

[humble robin]

Yes

[coral wren]

Stacked, I also only have the latter

[humble robin]

Even if i had Shinano i dont have bullin

[coral wren]

Mmm I havent really played other gachas but AL's fomo problem feels pretty egregious

I've accepted it but I can see it being a big turn off for new players

[humble robin]

Honestly

[coral wren]

"This ship is so cool how do I get her?"
"Wait a year and a half lol"

[humble robin]

Content is super easy

Its waifu collector

So even if i have grievances

Its not big deal

[coral wren]

Fair take

And we do have the solution to UR's now with the exchange and whatnot

[humble robin]

Ur bullins a problem for new players

But thats not that big deal

[coral wren]

Until a certain point yes

I have almost outcrept the UR bulins needed compared to UR releases

If you get the 30k points one, monthly core cap and level 100 on cruise you will have a steady flow, dont even need to get lucky on UR pulls

[humble robin]

Right now i know i wont have any bullin for soyuz:D

[coral wren]

Just 4x pity???? Idiot???

Only 800 pulls!!!

[humble robin]

Yeah right

[coral wren]

Now that you mention it I also wont have more than 1 bulin for soysauce

[humble robin]

I dont know her kit

But probably wont use her for a while

Working on this now

Does not affect pvp but still

[swift wharf]

I ignord opsi for a long time as well n i started when azl started

[humble robin]

Fun fact: there was 0 hms banner since i play (last March)

Hms ships are very hot though

[winged depot]

I ignored opsi for 2 months now

[lusty hill]

How to play opsi

[deft escarp]

@whole salmon How strong would Soyuz be if she comes with a map-wide barrage that inflicts a massive amount of slow/time stop with a lot of damage instances?

[whole salmon]

How much copium are you on

[neon bronze]

I forgot today is going to be maint

[deft escarp]

I’m just speculating lol

[humble robin]

soyuz: when this ship is in your fleet, add skip option to battle

[winged depot]

-proceeds to lose

[neon bronze]

[neon bronze]

chat are the new DDs good

[coral wren]

https://i.imgur.com/Vceml7F.png this special barrage is not worth specifically building for right

[fickle echo]

CVs can't defeat Laffey by themselves so using only 2 BB will make it harder to kill her

And that barrage isn't strong anyway

[coral wren]

Yeah makes sense. Still a neat 550 hp aux, I'll take it

[boreal comet]

People use it for the 38 RLD buff

[neon bronze]

it's an irreplacable 550+ hp aux for frontlines for the reason Apoc already said

[coral wren]

That makes a lot of sense. I just need 1 more 550 one and I'll have one on every char that wants one

[lusty hill]

is pamiat meta good at pvp

[boreal comet]

She is definitely a META ship

[fickle echo]

The real question is: are you good at PvP?

[coral wren]

No, therefore I am building Laffey 2 so I can pretend I'm good

[late heath]

I’m building Laffey III

[coral wren]

[fickle echo]

Aren't you building Kashino II?

[coral wren]

Wonder how big they'd make her chest if she gets a sequel

[whole salmon]

At least the slow is there

But not a lot of damage instances

And we have to wait for the targeting mechanic to make sure

The slow and range of effect seems valuable of hitting frontline

Her HP is high and her anti torp skill does allow for her to survive torp but she doesn’t have damage reduction so chances are she can’t out tank Musashi

She may jam with NJ if both are using 457 so one of them have to take MK4

No particular anti CV ability like Kearsearge or notable AA like Vanguard

Overall, no particular drawbacks and can contend for the 3rd slot of triple BB comps

[whole salmon]

That is assuming the barrage has consistent hit rate slow on frontline

[brazen socket]

Did you take into account her own reload buffs?

Oh wait

Does NJ have reload buffs

[whole salmon]

Yes

[brazen socket]

Ah fuck yeah there might be jamming

[boreal comet]

Her barrage seems to be bombs

[brazen socket]

Yep cluster bombs

Bombs and then hexagons

[boreal comet]

So should be consistent in hitting if the spread is decent

[brazen socket]

Will take a while before we get any barrage gifs simulated

[whole salmon]

Then again

If the barrage is consistent

MK4 Soyuz isn’t that bad

Since it would proc when Musashi’s barrage fires

[brazen socket]

According to CN magic numbers

Soyuz is very competitive in damage with sushi and zwei

[whole salmon]

This is on reload and not on fire

[whole salmon]

For pve right

[brazen socket]

Probably

She wiped musashi off the board according to magic nums

[whole salmon]

That barrage doesn’t mean much if it targets backline

The main consideration of it is the slow

[brazen socket]

Problem is if it'll translate the same way in an evermoving envrionment like pvp

[late heath]

UR Kashino IV

[whole salmon]

Bismarck Zwei didn’t see usage despite the high numbers as well

So it isn’t that surprising if Soyuz also doesn’t translate that well

[brazen socket]

Maybe it might be diff with soyuz considering she has no drawbacks unlike zwei

[boreal comet]

Very possible

[whole salmon]

Soyuz doesn’t have many anti CV capabilities either

Her AA isn’t high like Vanguard and she can’t spot like Kearsarge

So that 3rd slot is still heavily contended

The benefit of hers is on the assumption her anti frontline capabilities make up for it

[brazen socket]

Oh right, a problem is that she cant abuse wnt tech too

[whole salmon]

And that the slow can prove useful in killing Laffey 2

[boreal comet]

UR being just as broken as the ones before, who would've seen that coming

[brazen socket]

Soyuz should've had kewl blue lasers to compliment her slow

[whole salmon]

We’ll all raise her regardless but I’m not too convinced her impact would be as big as Laffey 2 or Jintsuu Meta

[brazen socket]

Soyuz could be slotted but the problem is she'd just be a bruteforce comp with less reliability compared to vanny and kear

[whole salmon]

If the anti torpedo ability applies to all backline target then I would have put her at top

But since it only applies to herself

That’s very unfortunate

Probably the biggest waste of this

[lusty hill]

Pink hair meta

[late heath]

wait til we go back to french meta

[light crystal]

Guys is Soy sauce meta

[late heath]

yes, you should use her

[stable dawn]

SoY? Sovereign of York?

[brazen socket]

Wtf stop leaking

[boreal comet]

Only one person knows

:serenity:

[zenith tide]

[zenith tide]

@deep hemlock

[deep hemlock]

:laes:

[humble robin]

Is it only me or Soyuz looks amazing for this meta?

[ocean quest]

unlucky

less bulins for nj

[floral wave]

surely that would be the first time they did that

[humble robin]

Lol

[boreal comet]

Like meta meta or meta META

[lost umbra]

Meta meta META

[brazen socket]

Her value against placing over kear and vanguard still remains undetermined but she does have a great enough kit that she could be slotted in

[humble robin]

yeah im sure its a bit early

[brazen socket]

Yep

Just gotta stay tuned for about another week

[humble robin]

better than unavailable ships since they are unavaiblable for me:D

like Mushashi or Vanguard

freeze seems legit

and torp dmg decrease skill

[manic shuttle]

Hey so I haven’t played in like a year who’s good now lol

NJ Shimakaze still good?

[brazen socket]

NJ still great
Shima got hit by
She got struck by

A smooth criminal

[fickle echo]

https://tenor.com/view/azur-lane-hornet-smooth-criminal-chibi-gif-27629158

[manic shuttle]

My fav died

Tragic

[winged depot]

Laffey II happened with fortune meta and some fox that got meta in jintsuu

[clear briar]

Is that Cleo

[winged depot]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1119179643027730463/1198167709276459069/kdm10ho_0_20240120_134147.gif

[junior trench]

As someone without Vanny or Musashi, would Soyuz, NJ, Kear still be really good?

[manic shuttle]

Oh yeah how good is Soyuz looking in exercise

[lusty hill]

wait couple of weeks for people to test it

[brazen socket]

Its a me

[manic shuttle]

Gives time to build her

[trail temple]

Not only do you have to build her, you need to be able to test her against proper fleets. So likely sometime next season you might get something tangible

125/200 is the quickest part, maxing her skills is just time gated unfortunately

[light crystal]

Just maxed out barrage, takes like 2.5~ days with 12h books.

Then +7 the other skills with 12h books. Can be 10/7/7 in like 4-5~ days

[coral wren]

damn I thought you could choose your pvp medal here too

[bright arrow]

How good is Kearsarge?

[neon bronze]

Counters CVs

[pseudo copper]

You get it shown in leaderboards and as highest rank in profile

So counts ig

[boreal comet]

Wtf

Death is back

[pseudo copper]

No

[light crystal]

Wtf
Death is back

[trail temple]

At least 5(.25) days for 10/7/7, yeah.

[whole salmon]

Her future is brighter than Bismarck Zwei

She doesn’t have a lot of weaknesses

But there are things that she simply doesn’t do

Like she doesn’t have Kearsarge’s CV spotting or Vanguard’s AA and support

Whether she makes up for it with her barrage or not is to be determined. There’s advantages and disadvantages to it as well

[boreal comet]

Barrage has potential in helping vanguard fights

[whole salmon]

Then you realize it has random targeting

Can’t help frontline if it doesn’t shoot at frontline

[hollow walrus]

Idk if this has a huge impact but the outer bloom of her barrage has a 0.2s delay between when the 1st bullet hits and when the outer circles hit

[whole salmon]

What makes or break her is the barrage

Cus honestly she has nothing special to offer

Which is unfortunate

If the torp damage reduction was applied to entire fleet then she could have been top picks

[light crystal]

That's nothing new to a BB to be honest

Bismarck is unique. But what makes NJ and Musashi good is their barrages, which are OP af

So a strong, reliable barrage can definitely make or break Soyuz in PvP, regardless of what her base is, just like NJ and Musashi.

[bright arrow]

How good is Kearsarge in the current meta? As good as NJ?

[light crystal]

Well. Kearsarge doesn't have a barrage, which is pretty bad. She does have planes though, and besides detecting/engaging CV's, if the AA is thinned enough she can clear a low enough HP backline

But ultimtately, you do want Musashi/NJ with her.

Actually, if you're missing Musashi, deffo use Soyuz. Soyus/NJ/Kearsarge should be the next best thing, if you're missing Musashi to add to the team

[coral wren]

You reckon Soyuz outperforms FDG?

[neon bronze]

Theoretically; yea. Probably.

[trail temple]

[coral wren]

"Free Thinkers" when there's a new UR to set as secretary

[trail temple]

Passive affection gain

[coral wren]

Yeah I get it it's just funny

Easily 90% of opps are soyuz pfps atm

[trail temple]

It's not mine to start with. Additionally, the intent was to show why people affection gain (in different ways) - which is a small but noticeable difference in combat.

I appreciate your concern and I thank you for understanding

[winged depot]

average release oath people

[neon bronze]

1-1 ambush affinity farmer PogU

[finite fog]

would not expect the average sandy player to understand the small and noticeable difference in combat

[stable dawn]

Scrolling up was a mistake

[finite fog]

someone got butthurt

[brazen socket]

do yall reckon pamiat has a shot?

[keen silo]

nope

[steel coral]

I'd say she's got about a 15% chance of being good

[brazen socket]

too rng?

[keen silo]

is she displacing any meta vanguards

[brazen socket]

er, could she displace fort meta assuming enemy doesnt for some reason run jintsuu meta

[keen silo]

then a lot of things can displace fortune

like shimakaze

[brazen socket]

[steel coral]

doesn't take dmg, reduced burn with soyuz, she's basically laffii

[keen silo]

[brazen socket]

so she is good-ish but not enough to replace anyone in the top vanguard?

[keen silo]

i think shes ok aden

dont cope too hard tho

[brazen socket]

woah fuck aden

that took me back

[keen silo]

so long ago yeah

i still call u that

[brazen socket]

thats kinda sweet actually

[keen silo]

brave frontier days

[whole salmon]

Why?

The 15% to get invul?

Regular Pamiat has it too and no one uses her

What’s the difference

[pseudo copper]

She's meta

[whole salmon]

Ig the meta version doesn’t have the skill on cd at the beginning of the round but honestly what’s the difference

At that point you might as well run Elridge and revert back to 2018

As for the slow zone thing, isn’t it just the same thing as Golden Hind

[bright arrow]

What’s the best vanguard ships for PVP?

[whole salmon]

Jintsuu Meta and Laffey 2, last slot depends on what style you want to play

[light crystal]

Pamiat Meta

[boreal comet]

The Eldridge conspiracy

[serene epoch]

[boreal comet]

Sneaky

[ocean quest]

@lusty hill should investigate

[lusty hill]

Wasn't eldrige used to be good stall fleet years ago?

[serene epoch]

[winged depot]

[deft escarp]

She’ll probably just die in one shot anyway lol

[neon bronze]

eldridge is so 2019 or something

[stable dawn]

2018

[light crystal]

Ok, zoomer.

[boreal comet]

The future is now old man

[coral wren]

What was the pt differential needed again for bonuses at Admiral ranks?

I just fought a guy like 25 up and only got +10 so

[lusty hill]

35 points

[gaunt sparrow]

How many black torps should I go out of my way to farm for? Would two be enough to have in general?

[winged depot]

idk, I just use 1 for jintsuu meta these days

[gaunt sparrow]

Laffey 2 apparently wants it too

Though Mintsuu does take precedence here, I think, yeah

[winged depot]

I don't, I just use the USS magnetic torps

ah, although I do have the rainbow torp aux equipped on her

[light crystal]

I just use tracking torps on my VG

[brazen socket]

do they have chips on them

[light crystal]

They home in and blow up their booties.

[lusty hill]

Who's chihaya

I literally never seen her before like ever

[ocean quest]

/wiki chihaya

[chilly osprey]

Bridal Z23

Azur Lane Wiki

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https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Chihaya_Kisaragi
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Mar 2, 2024, 3:04 PM

[ocean quest]

@lusty hill

[lusty hill]

I've seen people use idolmaster fleet but never seen her before

Mandela effect

[sudden spoke]

Pretty forgettable tbf

[fickle echo]

Their skins weren't good too

[light crystal]

Imagine making a collab with a fanservice game and not having fanservice skins

Meta ship meta.

[ocean quest]

[boreal comet]

Aoste is me

(real)

[ocean quest]

hello

[brazen socket]

well that sucks