pvp

[gloomy timber]

overcap in excercises? i dont think I di

did

[spiral owl]

Did you lose fights ? or maybe you're still 10/10 whereas top 1 is most likely 0/10

[gloomy timber]

didnt lose any 2/10 now

[brazen socket]

If you didnt overcap and if you didnt lose you shouldnt be behind that much in pts esp when rushin

you probably overcapped

[gloomy timber]

ooof

do I need to use Kear for this backline

already oath gapped

okay nvm i won

[brazen socket]

kear if cv

vanguard in general

[gloomy timber]

[neon bronze]

0/10 exercises?

[gloomy timber]

ya

[neon bronze]

time to get that gamer chair up and running

aotn still possible with ur score

[gloomy timber]

[gloomy timber]

I can make it trust

[half silo]

[gloomy timber]

[brazen socket]

if you wanna obtain aotn when its time to reach aotn you should sandbag then on reset rush

[hearty stone]

how do people get a high rank?
do you need to attack people with a higher rank than you?
just curious

[gloomy timber]

how to sandbag

[brazen socket]

read pins

[brazen socket]

pretty much, if you need more indepth stuff read the link in pins

[ocean quest]

well high rank people during most of the season just use all excercises

[hearty stone]

oh interesting

ty

[gloomy timber]

I have learned how to sandbag
I think

[hearty stone]

even if i got a full meta fleet i dont think i could ever do that cause reset is at 8 or 9 am 💀

[floral wave]

its also at 2 or 3 am

but you also dont need to bag all 3 resets

can finish earlier, not losing attempts is always better than missing them because you overslept

[finite fog]

more sandy players

[gloomy timber]

henlo fellow Seigo fan

[finite fog]

[ocean quest]

bag all sleep is for the weak

[half silo]

even better

try bagging > overcap > don‘t sleep > overcap again

50% of the time it works every time

[boreal comet]

Too real

[gloomy timber]

i'll just hit after reset fingers crossed I dont get screwed
5/10 in a bit

[undone blade]

@stable dawn Thanks for updating Laffii like we talked about! I love that you're featuring eight separate Laffii loadouts in the TL. Unfortunately, those of us that joined after JintM feel left out as they are all labeled for Mid and Off-Tank. Please consider adding one or two for Tank position or relabeling the existing ones as good for tank too. Like the "Full Evasion Tank" which is labeled for "Mid and Off-Tank" only. Thanks.

[ocean quest]

just run same as offtank

[stable dawn]

Due to the current FortM synergy it's pretty much impossible to recommend Laffey II in the main tank slot.

You want something that will take enough damage to drop below 50% max health so FortM's slash proc turns into her AoA barrage but doesn't die instantly to torps.

Laffey II has a habit of never going that low until the fight's almost over, well beyond the point of triggering FortM's slash barrage transformation.

Without JintM, you can try one of the setups in the "Newbie/Budget" section but realistically she has no real replacements.

[late heath]

People still haven’t discovered the Kashino synergy

[buoyant parrot]

[half silo]

unfortunately only 1 is deployable

[undone blade]

That's why we feel left out. 😅 The listings seem to forget that FortuneMeta has never been released on our server.

Laffii is a great tank for us

[stable dawn]

honestly LE is small enough that you can just ask the other pvp smurfs there about the meta

@fickle echo @steel coral

[undone blade]

That's all good. Just thought not tagging any of those builds as for when she's in the tank slot was an oversight. No worries

[stable dawn]

[undone blade]

Laffii as tank options USS gear not required:
1️⃣ Double Evasion (Beaver & Rudder)
2️⃣ HP + Evasion (Manjuu & Rudder)
3️⃣ Double HP (Manjuu & Shinobi)

[ocean quest]

hp

[fickle echo]

Are you still using Anchorage though? If you're then making Laffey II tank wouldn't be a good idea

[undone blade]

No

Laffii | Shima | JuneauKai has performed better

[undone blade]

Click the 3

[ocean quest]

manjuu tho

thats spicy

[undone blade]

Whenever I get NJ, Manjuu will be replaced with a more mild beaver 😜

[fickle echo]

Do you have Goldburn?

[ocean quest]

eva on laffey isnt too effective

[undone blade]

No, unfortunately. Started last week of Unzen event

[ocean quest]

you're better off running beaver on backliners

[undone blade]

Okay, I may put another HP gear on then. I could add back the boiler, but I'm already a bit faster than I'd like to be

I was thinking about the beaver or rudder if I changed to HMS teatorps

I could always use the toolbox

If the boiler is too fast

[undone blade]

FYI - 3 of 8 recommended loadouts have evasion gear. There must be some value.

[fickle echo]

Use fire extinguisher, the skill will be useful

[undone blade]

Better than toolbox?

[fickle echo]

Laffey skill's is based on hp percentage so stack hp doesn't help much

[undone blade]

That's a good point

I think that's why EVA gear is popular too

.
Yet you two both voted for double HP 😜

To be fair, there are probably no bad answers. She performs no matter what

[ocean quest]

that only caps the hit if its too big, why would it not help

[undone blade]

It helps, but her main value is the skill cap and that is the same no matter what gear we use

[steel coral]

her biggest threats are burn and BB aux

bb aux not as much on offense

[undone blade]

Lasers too 😜

@steel coral so if you used Mk35 torps, what aux gear would you pick?

[fickle echo]

Auxiliary guns take a lot of her HP and they aren't that strong compared to UR BB's barrage fully hitting

[undone blade]

Yeah, I was going to say NJ barrage

(no Mushashis fortunately)

[torpid shuttle]

huh? laf hp auxes exactly benefit her tanking aux guns longer

and doesnt impact UR BB barrages at all, since they're definitely hitting her capped damage

laffii and current fleets dont have any flat HP healing

[undone blade]

Borger's loadout for his off-tank set up is Wirbel Luft + Celestial (same as Shinobi) so double HP + some speed. Number 3 in my poll

[torpid shuttle]

i do af report wirbel

i do think +13 IXs are just better than asw torps

[fickle echo]

It's LE, no Fortune so Jintsuu and Shima are hitting you at full force and if you're unlucky the enemy Laffey's summons will survive and hit your vanguard for more damage, tell me how some more HP will be enough for Laffey to take less than the damage cap

[torpid shuttle]

it doesnt affect torps at all no

[undone blade]

None of the 8 up there use fire extinguisher. Must not think 266 HP vs 610 is worth the skill?

[torpid shuttle]

there arent any burns

unless u think nj barrage chance burn and fdg prox burn chance is anything

[steel coral]

guess you guys never have your vangaurd take 2 steps to the left and then immediately go back to where they just were and eat NJ's entire barrage

nj burn 100% btw

[undone blade]

I can't get af report, so it's rudder or beaver if I upgrade my torps

[undone blade]

So do you think mitigating that risk is worth 344 less HP?

[fickle echo]

Kear can also burn with planes/barrage and deal extra damage to burned enemies and since you're trying stall vanguard she might be a problem

[undone blade]

I think most people agree with you. I'm just curious then why are these Juneau's torp recs?

[fickle echo]

The only ship I would ever use Mk35 on would be Juneau because she is meant to die fast so the fastest torp is better

Otherwise teatorps is way better even without blacktorp

The magnetic from mk35 doesn't work most of the time because it's too weak

[undone blade]

That would explain it if rainbow quints weren't also BiS

[steel coral]

for juneau, I see her torps as a very negligible part of her kit so I just use whatever

[torpid shuttle]

the higher angle on asw torps also sends them into narnia during torp fight

[fickle echo]

Even if they hit they deal less damage per torp and there's 1 torp less than teatorps

[undone blade]

So if I switched to teatorps, what two auxes would you choose. I also have a great 76mm AA accelerator gun I got somehow (I swear I didn't craft it), so I could downgrade my AA to that or quad bofors

[fickle echo]

Just use quad bofors AA, it's easy to get and still a good AA gun

[undone blade]

I have sexies on there now

And the 76mm beat the quads in about every metric

[fickle echo]

As long the AA gun is good enough it won't much make difference in a actual fight and even if you find some strong fleet with 2 CVs Juneau should survive long enough to deal with their planes

[fickle echo]

Tamaki too op

[undone blade]

Lol.. return those. You got the defective set. Mine don't do that

[keen silo]

bro wtf ur lvl 134

[steel coral]

[keen silo]

catching up to cdl

[fickle echo]

PvP if Fortune META didn't exist:

[gloomy timber]

I'll go 5/10 now to sand bag ?

ah it is

[neon bronze]

wait for one of these guys to move

if they did not move before the timer ends, bad luck. But do go to 5/10 before that green timer ends

[gloomy timber]

[gloomy timber]

it looks further and further away

[floral wave]

youre putting too much emphasis on first week

[gloomy timber]

so just maintain momentum ya?

[floral wave]

yeah

[gloomy timber]

ogey

[floral wave]

youre not missing exercises, getting some bonuses, its gonna be fine

[gloomy timber]

[floral wave]

people that zero out early will keep getting minuses or zero sets at best

while you'll slowly climb with +0/+1/+2 sets

[gloomy timber]

zero out? as in stop hitting?

[floral wave]

as in go to 0/10

and 0/10 early after reset

[gloomy timber]

I'm at 0/10 now

[floral wave]

i mean, its fine if you know you cant be there at the end of next reset

[gloomy timber]

i just need to get a better handle on how entries are recharged
Cause I keep thinking its 5 every 12 hours

[floral wave]

overcapping is the worst that can happen so anything that prevents it is fine

its 12/6/6

one long reset, 2 6hour resets

[gloomy timber]

and we get 5 at each?

[floral wave]

yeah

[gloomy timber]

nice

[floral wave]

so 15/day

right now we're in the 12h reset

when that ends theres gonna be 2 6hour one after another

[gloomy timber]

that makes sense to me
I prolly overcapped two days ago which would explain my point gains

[trail temple]

I only win when I get 1070 starting score

[floral wave]

5 days into season

starting

was it friday even? or thursday

[trail temple]

Most people who eos will refer to their first week score when they enter rear admiral rank, which is Friday or Saturday. But, you'd have to pvp to know that

[lusty hill]

You guys pvp?

[trail temple]

Supposedly

[floral wave]

exactly

[fleet laurel]

what good from fortune meta?

[torpid shuttle]

clear torp

[trail temple]

[spare venture]

For repeating 1000 unopened mails

[languid plank]

i need help with the rest of her gear. i cant do the guide ea torps ,aswell i cant do anti air bcs i miss these things and i assume u get them from ops which i never do

[serene epoch]

She is not even MLB to begin with

Also just do opsi lmao
It is fully automated now

[autumn quest]

Any tips to go up in rank faster ?

Sure i skipped 2 days worth of exercices but besides that i cant go beyond captain while winning every matches because i'll get bonked the moment i ran out of tries and get back to the rank i was one day prior at reset

[ocean quest]

not skip excercises

[autumn quest]

You're a genius holy shit

That 100% answered my question

[ocean quest]

not sure how you expect to rank up while being 30 excercises behind

[autumn quest]

That doesnt answer my question, ik i wont be able to rank up this season but even if i didnt skip any attempts, at my pace i barely go up even tho i win every attempts

[stable dawn]

it's because of the cheaters who spawn in extra points

pvp is full of cheaters

[autumn quest]

I'm sure there's a way to optimize how much we go up per attempt

People still go to admiral so it's doable

I just need advanced tips

Who's a PvP pro here ?

[stable dawn]

@buoyant parrot

[autumn quest]

I'm in his server

I'm also in avrora

My question is pretty much is there a way to optimize how fast we can go up in rank ? Currently i win every attempts i do but i can barely go up in rank because i get bonked a lot the moment i ran out of attempts, this season is joever because i missed 2 days but next season i'll actually try for admiral so i'd like some tips pls

[stable dawn]

avrora full of cheats
one guy had 72000 health enty

[ocean quest]

sorry i fed her too much crack

[gloomy timber]

[ocean quest]

pay 5$ for pvp points generator

[wicked surge]

considering pvp cares about the rank of others near you , you screw yourself up once you overcap or miss multiple hits , u are fucked once you miss that much. Just sandbag next season

[keen silo]

idk about that

[zenith lantern]

No need to sandbag if your only goal is AoTN. Just don’t miss exercises, attack left most and don’t move too early in the set is enough

[lusty hill]

me

you can check the sandbagging guide on the pvp sheet on pin to maximize your score

winning all battle is cool but sometime not enough, you need to get bonus score by sandbagging

[neon bronze]

show t10 eos

:3

[fickle echo]

You aren't as good as Beth

[keen silo]

beth should show his #1

[languid plank]

thats besides the point i can mlb her whenever i want. my issue is gear so yeah u didnt rly answer me question

[finite fog]

if you scroll to the bottom of the gear breakdown tab of the pvp guide, there's an entire section dedicated to laff2

[whole salmon]

For AA, you can use the USS Quad Bofors. For gun, you can get away with blue barrage spam gun. For auxiliary, use a Boiler, leave Beaver on backline

But yeah the best solution is just to do OPSI

Even then the gear I mentioned is enough for your Laffey to perform

By barrage spam gun, I mean this

The one on the left

[buoyant parrot]

wat pro? im pro at segs not at pvp

[stable dawn]

[buoyant parrot]

also im on vacation. didnt even log in for 2 days

[finite fog]

[serene epoch]

But I did answer question:

Also just do opsi lmao
It is fully automated now
You do not even need to pay any attention to game while your girls farming opsi now. It's not the most efficient way and you may skip some loot but anyway, you get most of useful staff with just autoing it.

[languid plank]

alright thank you

[languid plank]

i asked for alternatives bcs thats exacly the reason. im not farming hours on a half afk mode just to get a single ur /sr piece which i need 8-9 of. for pvp or anything . when i have 6 other gachas i actually play for gameplay and not big oppai waifus.

[serene epoch]

[ocean quest]

thats crazy

[finite fog]

[lusty hill]

how can you even play 6 gacha at a time

just playing azur lane make me unable to commit to any other gacha

[brazen socket]

how is playing 6 gachas not even possible

whats up with people playing multiple gachas at the same time are you a masochist or just stupid

[neon bronze]

touhousniper98

[serene epoch]

https://youtu.be/LvdtJsZpuQ4?si=Q6XytiToEZUSBqGu&t=411
Gigguk already did that (at timecode)

[spiral owl]

hsr and azur lane is the most I can take, anything else and I wouldn't be able to do anything with my life lol

[lusty hill]

I don't have life because of azur lane

[stable dawn]

then why are you not r1 every season

[lusty hill]

[torpid shuttle]

i quit pvp and feel at peace

[ocean quest]

[neon bronze]

#pvp been a lot more peaceful lately ngl

[ocean quest]

i wonder why

[finite fog]

[fickle echo]

[boreal comet]

He will return

[torpid shuttle]

not

[fickle echo]

He won't return but someone else is gonna appear out of nowhere and do the same

[ocean quest]

[stable dawn]

3tonight

[ocean quest]

wheres 2tonight

[faint maple]

I only play AL but that’s cause of sunk cost and my love for naval history.

[boreal comet]

One must take his mantle

[torpid shuttle]

im also in AL for sunk cost tbh

[boreal comet]

[ocean quest]

[finite fog]

i play al for pvp

[lusty hill]

what's sunk cost

[keen silo]

letan

[gloomy timber]

should I finish up my hits or hit later 5/10 now

or sandbag to next set

[lusty hill]

I would hit later

unless it's sleep time

[finite fog]

are one of the 2067 guys on your list?
yes: take them now
no: wait

[humble robin]

is the shima torp worth using for pvp or should i just go for 533mm quintuples?

[boreal comet]

Neither

[humble robin]

rip

[boreal comet]

Mkix 533 is what you want

[humble robin]

the royal navy one? thx

[finite fog]

#pvp message it's frequently updated and very thorough

[humble robin]

thx i will check:D

man, i guess i need to start farming black torps

[neon bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/reviewbrah-gif-22077649

[torpid shuttle]

very mature

[floral wave]

wait

wait

SEMEN TIER1

[ocean quest]

[floral wave]

seydlitz is back

[neon bronze]

Will you come back to pvp with us?

[floral wave]

no

[ocean quest]

IF ONLY I HAD HER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[half silo]

https://tenor.com/view/if-i-had-one-angry-yelling-fairly-odd-parents-mr-turner-gif-16322274

[boreal comet]

Whodlitz

[lusty hill]

Stepmom still no 1

[ocean quest]

https://tenor.com/view/if-i-had-one-angry-yelling-fairly-odd-parents-mr-turner-gif-16322274

[neon bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/bleh-cat-silly-cat-cat-sticking-tongue-out-gif-12332973546502369976

[sterile bobcat]

I have kearsarge equipped with all the BiS stuff, but her airstrike doesn't go off before my nj/sashi
Is she supposed to be this slow? or am I missing something

[keen silo]

[steel coral]

must be missing these

[lusty hill]

show gear

[boreal comet]

Honest brah reaction

[keen silo]

[sterile bobcat]

Nj is also on 457, sashi has the blue gun

[keen silo]

white shell

[lusty hill]

looks fine to me

[sterile bobcat]

so what's the point of having the reveal then

[grim solar]

Curious question, but what was the original counter comp against Mafia?

[lusty hill]

so that the BB can target opponent backline

if they can't target on first salvo then they can target on the nexy onward

[lusty hill]

musashi

[keen silo]

weeb fleet

my youtube probably has some weeb fleet videos. if u dig deep enough

[lusty hill]

youtuber

[steel coral]

shinano was the counter, musashi was the upgrade

[keen silo]

musashi was the coffin

[grim solar]

Oh so a stall comp.

[keen silo]

of course

[light crystal]

[neon bronze]

Aoste still plays?

ㅡ

[light crystal]

Who the hell are you. Anyway, I've been playing every day since October of 2018. Only reason I would stop playing is me dying or the game EoS'ing

[neon bronze]

[gloomy timber]

do I finish the set or just sand bag

5/10 now

perpetually playing catchup

[neon bronze]

do all your exercises NOW, then rush all the exercises after the next set is up

That should give you a 2243~ that might get you AotN

[gloomy timber]

doesnt take mean you lose out on more points from gap diff or am i missing something

[neon bronze]

nah you'll probably even gain points if you move up atm because most people already zeroed out for the chance to get AotN

[gloomy timber]

ic

next step is going down the rabbit hole and making tea torps

[trail temple]

Tbh, I am more amused about him almost losing to a pretty easy washy player

[light crystal]

Why are you amused that I play the game while at lv 150

[gloomy timber]

2244 how did you point predict so accurately tf

[light crystal]

I play whatever I want. I got the gear and ships to play whatever you guys think it's bis, but I don't feel like it

[trail temple]

[light crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/azur-lane-laffey-dance-song-cute-love-gif-19773536

All I care about is seeing Shimakaze's swimsuit when she MVP's

Your opinion of what I play means jack

[trail temple]

That's cool, I respect that

[light crystal]

[trail temple]

But just like you, I think we also think the same about you

[neon bronze]

sometimes, lady luck gives you a bone or two, It just happens

[light crystal]

If they release UR Kitakaze and she's broken and MVP's all the time, I hope she also has a hot illustration so I can see her MVP screen

I dunno, hire YD to make it. I'm sure he can cook up something good

[gloomy timber]

now how do I hit magically hit rank 10 for aotn

[stable dawn]

they'll release Kita in the same event as Yamato to save the game from EoS

[winged depot]

yahagi when

[empty crater]

[lusty hill]

The game will die before they release yamato

[boreal comet]

serenity moment

[light crystal]

Games die when they're killed.

[sour pawn]

I missed 5 fights and lost 3, and still managed to get top 10 wtf

[ocean quest]

yea right after reset is easy

but congrats

[half silo]

Congrats!

Just one pro tip for next times: don‘t lose fights

[gloomy timber]

i think the time before the next set is going to push me out of oblivion

[ocean quest]

gotta rush early in the reset if you want aotn

like, instantly after reset

[ancient raptor]

Oh look, that's me

[finite fog]

[finite fog]

mattyy r1?!

[gloomy timber]

interesting you say that I hit you
thanks for easy def

or I didnt

[warped ice]

they did confirm and tease yamato at the last memory in the unzen event

i dont care about yamato really

all i care about is THIS

theres 100% guaranteed gonna be a second one for yamato obviously

[gloomy timber]

that gun so slow i cry

[warped ice]

once finished it will cripple anything

except enterprise and her big e skill

god i fucking hate that

anything else will get one or maybe two shotted

armor is non complacent

not even a option to use

[lusty hill]

return of salty b

[lusty hill]

That's just cope

I doubt they will release a unique gear again except on rerun

[boreal comet]

Eh

Wtf does unique gear even mean

[warped ice]

ur exclusive gear

sometimes sr

like when yorktown two has hvar mounted f6f hellcat

these

[boreal comet]

They do that a lot

[warped ice]

yeah adds exclusivity to ur and sr

[lusty hill]

Whatever gear I deemed unique

[warped ice]

tempesta gear is kinda the same

[lusty hill]

The only exception I can think of is SAP DD gun

[warped ice]

no tech boxes for em

you get em limited for events

so my royal fortune could have gone gunless into battle with only her flying spires of tentacles as a weapon

[flint crag]

how cooked am i if i missed laffey 2 event

[lusty hill]

just cope that they will release a UR DD that will replace her

[gloomy timber]

unloved is fucking free thank you to everyone for carrying my ass

[ocean quest]

subscribe for more tips and tricks

[fickle echo]

Helping the Sandy player: good ending

[gloomy timber]

[winged depot]

grats

[neon bronze]

Congratulations

[half silo]

Congrats, well deserved

[knotty cave]

Looking at the PvP guide, there may be a slight misunderstanding with Vanguard's ability, although that might be on my part. I believe her ability is triggered when her gun loads, not when it fires, so it doesn't really matter the order in which she shoots

I don't know if this makes a difference or not

[stable dawn]

realistically it doesn't because you want as much damage to fly out within her debuff window as possible, so optimising the guns to avoid jamming each other is the correct play regardless

[keen silo]

using mk4 vanguard also lets it load quicker than musashis blue gun assuming both are 125/200

[knotty cave]

I guess I might finally have to oath Vanguard then

[gaunt sparrow]

The tier list suggests that Fortune META be put in the off-tank position in the comp with Jintsuu META and Laffey 2, but I don't understand why that is

[keen silo]

y not ?

[gaunt sparrow]

Her damage scales the lower her HP is, but I have found Fortune META to be quite fragile

[keen silo]

her damage is not important

its for the slash skill

[gaunt sparrow]

And she has barrages that proc when other ships in the vanguard drop below 50% HP, so the loss is dminished

[keen silo]

u want her to proc pearl

[gaunt sparrow]

That confuses me, because looking at the recommended gear for Fortune META in that same document, Pearl is pretty low on the list of recommended auxiliaries

She prefers Celestial Body and Goldburn, or at least those are the top 2 choices

[keen silo]

i mean thats how i build the fleet

if u asking for reason of fortune meta offtank according to tl, its more so because u want to win laffey 2 duel

[gaunt sparrow]

So in this situation you want her to be a meatshield for your own Laffey 2

[keen silo]

i think so at least, better ask the guys who wrote, burger shud know

[floral wave]

brah is fully back

now we need yukana back too

[keen silo]

hi

[floral wave]

good to have you back mr brah

[keen silo]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-korrina-gif-23505128

[neon bronze]

fortune meta's viability came out at a time where shimakaze was still popular. players often put the pearl on shima
nowadays, shima is pretty much relegated to fringe comps thanks to laff-ii, so pearl is kinda free now
with scissors frontline, only other viable frontline for pearl is jintM; laff-ii is often the last to die
but i prefer jintM with torp auxes, so pearl on fortM goes. imo it can replace celestial body; same hp stats. goldburn is just too good though with RLD stat though, so it stays

[empty crater]

[gaunt sparrow]

Is Pearl a given to equip for an ideal PvP comp?

[winged depot]

it helps, more like this is where that gear is mostly used anyways

[neon bronze]

the fleet-wide heal is nice to have

[valid oxide]

We can run pearl warspite now

[zenith lantern]

Pearl gives 590hp to the ship you equip it on and likely several hundred to each other ship in your fleet. It’s probably the best survival gear there is, maybe Beaver Badge is better but it’s hard to measure and you just run both anyway.

[neon bronze]

at best she heals 18k hp on one ship

Pearl's Tears is busted guys

[stable dawn]

pearl is a pocket juneau you can equip on any ship

[hollow walrus]

why

[valid oxide]

Because warspite is hilariously squishy

[hollow walrus]

but why would you run warspite in this day and age

[ocean quest]

to proc pearl, duh

[fickle echo]

[half silo]

forget warspite

instead run kashino with pearl

[valid oxide]

I ran warspite during original milf days because I was poor and bad at the game (didn't have fdg/NJ)

Sushi hiryuu spite, ancho noshiro Juneau was what I ran iirc

And it was only hiryuu I ran because my only alternative was amagi

[undone blade]

Captured AotN today for the first time. All credit goes to you regulars who helped me understand this thing! Thank you!

[winged depot]

grats

[neon bronze]

congratulations, young player

[lusty hill]

Congrats

[half silo]

Congrats!

[finite fog]

@half silo grats!

[half silo]

Thanks!

[winged depot]

grats

[late heath]

Thanks

[brazen socket]

[ocean quest]

rank 3 day ruined

[sturdy kraken]

https://tenor.com/view/checo-perez-sergio-perez-sexo-f1-gif-23710980

[crystal elbow]

guys how yall grind for merits

[neon bronze]

Just play allyour exercises

[crystal elbow]

k ty

[serene epoch]

on base level do not lose or overcapp
if you want to maximise amount of merits/season — sanbagg before aotn, then rush after set 3 friday of week 2 and get as much wins in top10 as possible (because when you win with aotn rank you gain extra 10 merits per fight)

[crystal elbow]

great i dont understand it

every word i understand but when u put them together i got nothing

[serene epoch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/866256488146010122.webp?size=48&name=KEKL&quality=lossless

[serene epoch]

Check pvp guide in pined messages and read about sandbagging.
Then decide if you even want to try it.

[trail temple]

You know, you don't need to sandbag to farm merits, just don't lose and don't do your exercises too early

[neon bronze]

most minmax strat i think is bagging for the first 11 days of season

then bust all your exercises thereafter if you can get aotn

what @lusty hill does lol
that's an extra purple bulin's worth of merits compared to bagging the rest of the season just for points

[ocean quest]

serenity tech

[lusty hill]

Sandbagging is needed so that you can maximize merits on the last 3 days

The goal is to rush and stay in t10 as long as possible for the extra merit

[neon bronze]

the Higher Up has spoken

[brazen socket]

How many higher ups are there

are they like a legion of pvp gods

we need to study these higher ups...

[boreal comet]

Serenity is the strongest higher up player
No other can match his might in both pve and pvp

[late heath]

Who

[floral wave]

[lusty hill]

The highest up

[fickle echo]

Highest, highest, I'm going on

[stable dawn]

[neon bronze]

Xue hua piao piao

[boreal comet]

https://tenor.com/view/the-eminence-in-shadow-the-eminence-of-shadow-shadow-garden-kage-no-jitsuryokusha-ni-naritakute-kagenou-gif-27024398

[neon bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/chinese-man-singing-singing-in-the-snow-snow-selfie-gif-16752723

[wicked surge]

Still has issues using kearsarge in both pve and pvp

[boreal comet]

He just outsmarts the meta

[wicked surge]

His keary was doing half the damage of mine , and he blames her smh

[half silo]

sounds like a skill issue

[sour pawn]

This is what I use RN for PvP, why do people use Hiryuu over Aquila?

[ocean quest]

because hiryuu lives longer than 15s

neither are damage monsters, aquila just got cheesy preload and hiryuu stalls longer

[torpid shuttle]

hiryuu does barely any dmg rly

[ocean quest]

well she can chunk with +13 wyverns etc

but her dmg wont match a bb or shinano

[sour pawn]

I have +13 for everything and she tends to be MVP for nearly every exercise that Shimi isn't

Like I see her MVP the most out of the 6

[ocean quest]

aquila?

not wrong

but she crumbles vs strong comps

thats just it

so it works until you get walled for 5 minutes

[sour pawn]

This is what I run with her, and idk the only times I loose are fleets that have FortuneM and I low roll

[ocean quest]

comps that have fortuneM

so basically every good comp

and it explains

[sour pawn]

I mean it's still beatable, it's the only one I loose to about 20-30% of the time and have to reset

[ocean quest]

bb's just eat aquila's preload and go on with their lives

[sour pawn]

I mean hey I'm still rank 1 atm so it deffo works, and had to go through 4 FortuneM comps, just a shame I don't have her

[ocean quest]

snd she usually doesnt live till 2nd shot

[ocean quest]

congrats on rank 1 day 2

[sour pawn]

Ikr, only hit rank 7 last season I think

With AoTN

[ocean quest]

anything works early season/when you're moving early enough

[sour pawn]

It's like this, I don't understand fleets like this as they just do 0 damage and just kinda sit there

[ocean quest]

how do they do 0 damage

vanguards are just a blunder without jintsuu

[sour pawn]

Ancho,FortuneM and Sey don't do damage

Musashi can if she can fire, but very rarely is that the case

[ocean quest]

damn you win vs that in 14s?

[fickle echo]

460mm tech

[sour pawn]

Within first 10-15s, generally all backline is dead and it's just LaffeyI,JintsuuM and whatever immunity they have left

[ocean quest]

have you tried fighting non-meme comps?

[sour pawn]

Unless FortuneM eat's every single torp that's fired then just reset and go again

[sour pawn]

I've hit AoTN every single season since I returned so I'm gonna say probabbly?

[ocean quest]

you can hit aotn after overcapping like 5 or more excercises

[sour pawn]

Idk what that means

[ocean quest]

tells

[sour pawn]

I mean tbh last season I missed out on 5 fights and lost 2 because I wasn't paying attention and still hit it

[ocean quest]

exactly what I meant

[sour pawn]

So ig it can't be that hard either way idk?

[ocean quest]

just move early after a reset on last days and you have a free aotn

[sour pawn]

Ig everyone just runs meme fleets so there's no worry in having to try properly with exercises

[ocean quest]

possible

if you don't go for end of season score theres like no difficulty

tho you could argue there isnt any in that either

[finite fog]

we don't care about rank, we care about the amount of points

[ocean quest]

no party pooping 🤬

[keen silo]

[boreal comet]

Real

Can confirm

[trail temple]

Some have done it after overcapping/losing 12 times

Anything is possible

[ocean quest]

yeah i never counted

[stable dawn]

I think my record was like 13-14 total overcaps. I zeroed right before set began and then zeroed again to catch 10th in the first <5m on a Saturday week 2. Barely got aotn

[humble robin]

meanwhile im on full copium because my acc is less than a year old, so some key meta ships are unavailable, but i manage it somehow

also i dont get why ppl use carriers, they are basically free win for me if i see them at opponent

[ocean quest]

generally yeah, only hiryuu has some sort of place

but her (lack of) damage is pain

[humble robin]

my fights are rng about me shooting down enemey bbs faster than they shoot mine:D

not having mushashi is kinda pain but using fdg instead

one thing i dont fully get

so i put this pvp torp on shimakaze

but very often the torps disappear just a bit before they would reach opponent main ships

no clue why is that

[ocean quest]

they just have a range

like all torps

[humble robin]

generally other torps just either hit enemies or go next to them

and go out of the map

[ocean quest]

which pvp torp

teatorp? parallel?

or uss black torp

[humble robin]

the one thats recommanded

let me see

533mm quintuple mk ix

[neon bronze]

teatorps then

[humble robin]

sometimes they hit

sometimes they miss and go by

sometimes disappear a bit before the opponent main ship

[ocean quest]

yeah

[humble robin]

or other torps would be better?

i generally use shimakaze to win faster against random teams

[ocean quest]

you got black torp aux?

makes first salvo magnetic which makes them connect a bit more often

and possibly just oneshot/chunk a backliner

though fortune meta makes it much harder to pull it off consistently

[humble robin]

no

i tried to farm it but got 0 drops

in several runs

yeah that fortune meta is annoying

[ocean quest]

feel ya took like 240 tickets with 2x to farm 3 copies

[humble robin]

especially that its not available to me

oof

[ocean quest]

or 220

[humble robin]

but also feels like its old meta to me due to fortune meta

i can only hit frontline wiht torps nowadays:D

if there is fortune meta

[ocean quest]

sometimes they can sneak past her

[undone blade]

It depends on how far back Shima is when she launches. If your opponent is tough or you get a bad initial launch, just reset right away and try again.

[undone blade]

That's interesting. There's no FortuneM in my server yet, so I often get my torps to hit. If people are actually using FortM in their defenses you might want to consider getting away from the torp van and going to a full stall? At least then you wouldn't need to waste your time trying to farm black oxys in WA. 😅 Even if there is no FortM, Laffii can pretty much tank your Torps anyway with her dmg cap

[humble robin]

yeah i generally run stall comp

or sth like that:D

[zenith lantern]

Shinano and Hiryuu have both done well in the recent past so it's probably players that haven't adapted to the new meta yet. Hiryuu was the most recent meta CV because torp memes would leave every ship in the opposing fleet low so she could clear them all up during her invulnerablility window.
Laffey changed all that, she hard counters CVs so they have fallen out of favour.

[humble robin]

Thanks for the information

[whole salmon]

Furthermore, aside from Laffey 2 countering CVs’ late game potential, she can also be paired with 2 other counters such as Kearsarge for spotting and Vanguard for AA

[humble robin]

Kearsarge does spotting?

[whole salmon]

Kearsarge is a BBV with planes on slot 2

Along with planes on barrage

[humble robin]

There is still so much to learn in this game:D

[whole salmon]

Both of which can be used to spot CVs, reducing their damage potential

[humble robin]

So planes reveal enemy cvs?

[neon bronze]

yep

[humble robin]

Thanks

Thats great

[whole salmon]

Shinano has the highest damage potential in pvp but her drawback is that she might be targeted

While Hiryuu, although safer, usually lacks damage in current state of the meta

[humble robin]

Yeah i dont bave Vanguard unfortunately

[whole salmon]

A combination of both would make for quite a competitive CV

[humble robin]

Or any ur cv to begin with

[whole salmon]

However that has yet to be released

[humble robin]

I see

[neon bronze]

Kearsarge often launches her airstrike before most CVs launch their first airstrikes, revealing them

[steel coral]

it's called enterprise

[whole salmon]

Smh

[humble robin]

Haha

So im running this now

With high success rate

Sometimes replacing shima with agir for more tankyness

But Kearsarge sounds tempting to use too

Main problem is when i face 3 enemy bbs and they sink mines before i sink theirs

Somtimes 8 restart helps:D

[whole salmon]

Jintsuu Meta is also a viable option

In an environment lacking Fortune, she can do quite well

[humble robin]

Building her now

Takes a while to level her

So many things to do

Playing since last march or sth

I dont think i will ever catch up with tech

[sour pawn]

What do I do im this situation? I've used every single re-roll given today at this point and didn't get the 1st or 2nd place, if I fight the person at 11th will it be a lot less points?

[foggy whale]

It will be 9 points

[sour pawn]

How many points is it usually?

[foggy whale]

If they were your rank or +34 higher from you it would be 10

[sour pawn]

Oh if it's only 1 point difference that's fine then

[serene epoch]

no, it is not admiral ranks yet

-13 scrore still +0

[foggy whale]

Ahh didnt' realize that

[finite fog]

thought it was -14?

oh yeah

brain damage

it was -14 for a -1

[serene epoch]

SandyNod

[winged depot]

possible on all servers

just don't lose

or miss any exercise attempt

[prisma pagoda]

well... a final insta rush when there is enough point for aotn, is maybe needed in that case

[torpid shuttle]

@prisma pagoda

[humble robin]

I only started hitting aotn 2 seasons ago when i read about sandbagging

This is my third season that looks promising

Before i was just doing it randomly but aotn was out of reach

Those extra points for wider rank gap matter a lot

[coral wren]

Question, if I reach a certain admiral rank but then get pushed out of whichever rank bracket is associated with that rank, will it "demote" me? E.g if I'm a RALH and I get knocked to top 1100, will I be a captain again?

Or does it show your peak rank regardless of ladder ranking

[neon bronze]

yea, some ranks need a certain rank range and score reqs.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/643697081210503168/724535999522144266/rank.PNG?ex=65dc46bb&is=65c9d1bb&hm=3077728c2b1a0b95e860252d848a695c0b5d5b1c9a520e0c63c440b7fca7ad8c&

[coral wren]

I know that, but I'm currently a Rear Admiral Lower Half in top 450ish, I'm wondering if you get instantly demoted to Captain again if you were to get pushed out of the rank bracket associated with that Admiral rank

Because if you do I'll have to stay active, if not I'll grind to top 100 for Admiral and peace out the rest of the season

[neon bronze]

yes

[keen silo]

[light crystal]

I've switched to using meta like a t@rd cuz I got tired of consta resetting. I will miss you, Shima Bikini MVP screen

[lusty hill]

Shima swimsuit skin should've been live2d

[stable dawn]

literally scammed by manjuu

[winged depot]

Character development

[late heath]

if you just lose then you don't have to reset

[trail temple]

Being a real meta slave is to use Kashino

[serene epoch]

Yes and no at same time. If you drop out of top 1000 your displayed rank will be captain and you will gain 80 merits per win but at same time score difference for bonus and score gain will be same as if you still admiral

[coral wren]

Gotcha, I did notice my peak rank on my profile already displays RALH, so if I manage to get a top 100 peek with the necessary score I'll just take that as a W and run with it

Don't have the backline ships to hold consistent defense

Wtb Aquila

[coral wren]

Oh, interesting. I reckoned you wanted a high level defense fleet to reduce the amount of ranks you drop between battle refreshes

[finite fog]

the ranks are all based on your score and you dont lose points if you get attacked

[coral wren]

Explain that to me. I get that my seasonal score doesn't change, but the more people that attack me, the more ranks I'll give up, right?

ladder ranks that is

[finite fog]

hmm i get what you're saying because that's what i thought when i started the game

but i'm not sure how to explain how it actually works

[coral wren]

Well, wouldn't be the first system that functions in a strange way in Azur Lane lmao

[finite fog]

there's a pinned document on this channel

[coral wren]

Bet, I'll read it in a few. Ty bro

[finite fog]

go to the sandbagging tab, and have a read of that

allg, sorry i couldn't help much

[coral wren]

you helped a lot bro, this is very good to know

[light crystal]

Was Goldburn ever nerfed or something? I thought it also gave Reload if used on a backliner?

Ohh, ship needs to be SSSS if it's in backline. That was the catch, forgot

[serene epoch]

Later in season you actually want to have as much players above you as possible to not get 9s

[keen silo]

[coral wren]

Read up on the sandbagging, this makes a lot of sense

[humble robin]

Sandbagging is awesome

I was trying admiral of the navy a month ago because i just could not achieve it, then i found 2-3 year old video about sandbagging, then more info here, then third season i can do it, it feels like an achievement

[neon bronze]

Azur Lane Meta?

[humble robin]

No, just that rank

Its not even the temp comps, just the way to attack

I miss half of the meta ships

Unavailable

[neon bronze]

[humble robin]

Sometimes need to restart against some meta comps but doing great

[spiral owl]

No jintm and musashi ?

[humble robin]

Dont have mushashi

Did not play yet when she came out

[spiral owl]

Do you have kearsarge/tamaki ?

[humble robin]

Jintsu meta im still leveling her

Tamaki i did not even know she is a thing

Kearsarge i dont like the idea to discover cvs

I rather nuke the bbs down first

[spiral owl]

Tamaki is a much stronger option than biszwei

[humble robin]

Yeah bisko dies fast usually

Tamaki would take a while to level

Im still working on faction techs

[spiral owl]

If you want a higher winrate, you don't really have any other options

I assume no vanguard too, no musashi, hiryuu died when laffey 2 was released, she's basically the only viable option left

[keen silo]

[lusty hill]

But do you have kearsarge leveled?

[humble robin]

Yes

So kearsarge would be an upgrade over bisko2

[spiral owl]

Very much so

[humble robin]

I can try rhat thanks

[keen silo]

tbh ur comp is ok

just need to see gear

[spiral owl]

Are you playing on lil e or other servers

[humble robin]

I just like that bisko summons dragon which is dmg sponge

[keen silo]

u can make any 3 rainbow bbs work in pvp now, aux gun war

[humble robin]

I play on avrora but joined to friends almost a year ago

[keen silo]

ur gear is probably fucked

[humble robin]

What’s aux gun war mean?

[spiral owl]

it's a battle to see who kills laffey 2 first

[humble robin]

I dont think my laffey2 ever died in pvp

Maybe once since she is out

[keen silo]

exactly why people use her

[humble robin]

But i run her defensive

Still mvp sometimes

[spiral owl]

That's also why tamaki is better than kear

[keen silo]

if all ur fighting is 3bb

[spiral owl]

ye

[keen silo]

bisko is btr than jear

[humble robin]

I mean when i see enemy cv, its instant win

3 bb where its rng who loses the first 2 faster

[keen silo]

laffey invalidates all cvs except luna

[humble robin]

Problem is see with kear that her planes go after bbs shoot so no debuff

[spiral owl]

are you using tigercat

She should launch her planes around same time as nj first volley

[humble robin]

Pancake

[keen silo]

xd pancake

[humble robin]

Tigercat only +10

Crafted a dozen pancakes for w15

Did not oath her

Maybe should

Also different gear

[keen silo]

show ur pvp fleet gear, the issue is not ur fleet its likely the gear

lol

[humble robin]

Need to go

Im checking back later

Thanks

[neon bronze]

457mm/mk4 - tigercat - staag - hsfcr - +eva gear

[keen silo]

[deft escarp]

Is lb2 Jintsuu meta good enough

[boreal comet]

Doubt it

[spiral owl]

mbl3 is torpedo efficiency and better barrage, you could test lb2 it doesn't sound too bad

[humble robin]

Im not sure which one is that bb gun, the ur craftable? Also what are the evasion gear options? Helena radar and washmachine?

[spiral owl]

something like this

can replace manjuu for beaver badge aswell

[humble robin]

Thanks

I think i should oath her

[humble robin]

Yey

Gonna try her this way, and change the shell for manju if needed

[spiral owl]

shell is bad for pvp, you want defensive gear or something with hit

[humble robin]

Ok

What are good hit aux?

Gotta go again, gonna read later

Thanks for your help:)

[spiral owl]

SG radar if you want, but optimal is beaver badge on her and manjuu on nj

[sour pawn]

It's getting worse, being in EU sucks for the time of resets for PvP, again do I just take the -9 points instead of the 10 even if I wanted to try and get as high as possible?

[spiral owl]

just bag and you'll be fine

[sour pawn]

But I need to go to sleep soon because I have work early in the morning

[spiral owl]

just 5/10 before going to sleep and do your exercices before morning reset

[humble robin]

Yeah i get it to 5 when i know i cant play until we get 5 more tries

[humble robin]

Feels like the other 2 bb is there to be a meatshield

Tigercat was a great idea for Kearsarge

[zenith lantern]

The only choice you have really is take the 9 or log on again before you go over 10 exercises to do it. Refreshes won’t help when you’re above the t10, the chance to roll someone higher than you is very poor.

[deft escarp]

Seems like I’ll have to wait for a year and a half to get Jintsuu Meta mlb then

[neon bronze]

KEKpat

[light crystal]

HPFCR is a must, yes, but you probably want the other Aux to be defensive in nature. Rudder, WNT, Manjuu, etc.

[light crystal]

Can't you get her through Archive or something.

[humble robin]

im waiting for fortune meta somehow.. total copium

[humble robin]

i see:D whats wnt?

[light crystal]

The thing the IJN broke in secret to try to get the upperhand in future wars

[humble robin]

huh?

[winged depot]

Washington naval treaty

[humble robin]

thx

[brazen socket]

whats more consistent? mk vill or monkey

[ocean quest]

have you tried waiting?

[keen silo]

he wants to sleep

[late heath]

no sleep if you actually pvp

it's PvS

player versus sleep

[ocean quest]

i mean he will overcap in like 11h30 from his screenshot which is PLENTY of sleep

[serene epoch]

Player vs Sussex

[trail temple]

[boreal comet]

Amogus

[coral wren]

Climbing feels impossible. I was rank 650 odd, tumbled all the way to 13something. Won all 10 matches today, rank 900. Maybe rank 700 if I win all 5 in an hour too

is there some meta to not freefalling down the leaderboards every day that I'm not getting

[neon bronze]

not missing exercises assumes around rank 500-700 (varies, that's for amagi) with 10 exercises remaining
anything less than that and you either had lost exercises from actually losing matches or overcapping

just don't miss your exercises

[coral wren]

Yeah okay but that's the rank I end on, I haven't missed any exercises all season and then I'm just left crossing my fingers praying the freefall won't be too bad so that next time I stack 15 exercises around reset I can increase my rank, rather than just get back to where I was before. For reference, I track my w/l and my winrate so far this season is around 88%. Not top tier, but if you can't climb averaging 9-1 per 10, what else do you need to do

I nearly have the points for Vice, but it feels insurmountable to even think of getting rank 300

I get it's inevitable that you're gonna drop ranks in a system that works the way AL PVP does with limited daily attempts, but while on one hand I'm told to not set an apt defense fleet to maximize sandbagging potential, on the other I'm like how else am I gonna prevent myself from literally going down double the rank that I was on before from 1 day to the next

[finite fog]

have you read the sandbagging guide in the pinned doc?

you might have a better idea of how this point system works after reading that

[coral wren]

Bro I'm not talking about points

I get how sandbagging works

If it was just points I needed then yeah I agree, but it's the ladder rank associated with the respective Admiral badge that's giving me trouble, not the point requirement

[finite fog]

yeah, if you get more points you get a higher rank

taht's all tehre is to it

if you want more points, attack people higher rank than you

how you do that, the guide outlines it

[coral wren]

I only ever attack the left-most option

[finite fog]

yeah but you need to have a points difference if you want additional points along with your base point gain

[coral wren]

Sure, which is a calculated risk, hence why I do 15 exercises around the daily reset. Not the best way to do it I'll fully concede

The only solution I can think of is spacing my exercises out to be right before every reset other than the one that happens at like 2 AM my time

[finite fog]

yeah that's literally all

and don't go to zero right after daily reset

[coral wren]

I'll hold these exercises that I'm getting in 15 then, and run 10 tonight after the long reset

[finite fog]

or you might run into people with lower points than you which will give you a negative point

[coral wren]

I'm on about 1360 now I believe, I think a lot of people in the 1k-1.5k range will have a lower point total

[finite fog]

just make sure you're 5/10 before every reset

[coral wren]

Ofc, dont wanna overcap

[brazen socket]

up

[ocean quest]

if youre at rank 900 at 0/10 then you must've missed some

[coral wren]

What does that even mean

[brazen socket]

Are you sure you have not overcapped

[coral wren]

Yes

[brazen socket]

then the losses and your rushing stacked against you

[ocean quest]

i doubt that

[coral wren]

Thats fine

[ocean quest]

whats your points at 0/10

[brazen socket]

since you have said 88% winrate, that means you have lost

[hybrid agate]

MK Vill based on the PvP guide with WNT flag Vanguard

[brazen socket]

then you rushed, most likely had people bagging you catch up and take your pts

[coral wren]

Well, I'm currently 3/10 after the reset of 2 hours ago, but my points are on 1376

[ocean quest]

yeah thats like 3 sets missed

[coral wren]

Sorry, 2/10

[ocean quest]

try not overcapping

literally

[coral wren]

Will have to swallow this season and just change my approach the next one, then

[ocean quest]

not even, you literally HAD TO lose excercises

there's no way you have this score after completing all possible excercises this season

unless you attack rightmost for some reason, but even in that case I lowkey doubt

[coral wren]

Nah I dont attack right

This is the first season I've taken pvp semi-seriously and I figured points were kinda secondary. I have no aspirations of going for aotn so I figured as long as I reach the 1650 treshold and peek top 100 once that's all I want to achieve

But I get now that points and ladder rank go hand in hand, albeit I think the entire sandbagging incentivizing system is moronic, but that's on the devs

[zenith lantern]

If you have 88% WR for the season and everyone else has 100% WR it makes sense you’d be losing ranks. If you’re going to lose you can just back out of the fight and retry.

[coral wren]

That's not true, the moment you exit a fight you lose an attempt. I've ragequit a round before and while sure, I could challenge the same opponent, I was still down the try

Shoutout to Laffey 2 being the single most annoying ship in the game

[hybrid agate]

you don't lose an attempt by exiting

[coral wren]

Then I stand corrected

Are you forced to challenge the same opponent after an exit or can you reroll

[spiral owl]

Leaving a fight counts as if nothing happened, you're free to challenge again, challenge another opponent or reroll

[coral wren]

Remarkable. I'm currently getting my own L2 up to speed and try to avoid those matchups like the plague

That chick has my number something fierce

[spiral owl]

What's your comp

[coral wren]

Dog

Enterprise NJ Shinano, Anchorage Shimakaze Unzen

[spiral owl]

Yeah no wonder

Do you have fdg musashi or tamaki for example

[coral wren]

I do have fdg, neither Musashi or Tamaki

No Aquila either

[spiral owl]

Have you read the pvp guide for gear and all that

[coral wren]

Yes, and I'm currently focusing on building NJ

Though I reckon it's smarter to prioritize the vanguard

[spiral owl]

well you're not running laffey 2 so you're gonna lose vanguard fight every time, try to get her done asap

[coral wren]

Tangentially related q, I'm sure this is in the guide somewhere but - what bonuses are active in pvp and which arent?

Thats oath stat bonuses and collection/tech point bonuses

[spiral owl]

The one way to deal with her reliably is running BB's, their auxiliary guns are able to shred her down reliably whereas cv's are pretty much useless as long as she's around

[coral wren]

Bro I feel that. Lucky E into those weird drone things feels so bad

[spiral owl]

That's why 3 BB comp is the top dog these days

[coral wren]

Smart shout on fdg, I reckon she could actually mob up those drones fairly well

Aye I want a musashi something fierce but I only started last July

[spiral owl]

She might rerun end of this year, don't quote me on that

[coral wren]

Uhh shes up after Crohn's Disease iirc

No thats vanguard

Then Musashi

[spiral owl]

Your best bet these days is to cope for a new UR BB to release soon and run FDG/NJ/3rd BB until musashi rerrun

[coral wren]

Yamato soon!!!!

[trail temple]

Just your oath, fleet tech values are shown but are not applied

[coral wren]

Gotcha, thanks

[zenith lantern]

Prioritise NJ over vanguard. Torp memes aside, your backline is where most of the damage comes from. NJ also buffs Anchorage and Laffey so they survive even better.

Your vanguard has isn’t even that bad anyway your backline is the main problem, with 2CVs you’re kind of helpless against Laffey and it also makes it so that if your opponent has 3BB they are going to focus on the one backline they can see rather than spread damage around more

[coral wren]

Yuh I replaced Enterprise with Shinano

Fdg*

Idk what to replace Shinano with

I could gimmick in Kearsarge, maybe

[zenith lantern]

FDG NJ Kearsage would be a pretty decent backline. You’re always going to suffer without Musashi but it’s the best you can do

[humble robin]

Also what helps a lot if you do one exercisr every few hours or so

I try to do lots of commissions so i lot in randomly

As for comp it really matters on opponents too, i dont have mushashi either so its a predicament

But doing good so far because most ppl dont give a fuck about pvp

And i just follow guides from here

Attacking times are the key

And big rank gap

I have the opposite problem, i try to fall down bur cant always:D

Last night i went to sleep so i had to use attempts and i was like top20 which i hate this time

[coral wren]

I've mentally written off this season as a practice run while I finish kitting out my pvp comp for as good as I can make it

Gonna have to get better at bagging and general time management and then try to properly push in the seasons to follow

I really do appreciate all the help so far, it's a pretty intricate system and not immediately obvious

[ocean quest]

you get used to it pretty quickly

[nocturne temple]

is there a table with seasonal score gain per score difference? like how much do u get if opponent has 50 more score?

[ocean quest]

pins

its 35 for +1 71 for +2 for most of the season tho (friday week 1-sunday week 2)

[humble robin]

Cancer

[ocean quest]

no fortune or jintsuu though

[humble robin]

Yeah, got lucky and won

11 points

[ocean quest]

well id say it would be unlucky to lose vs that

tho iirc you had a bit scuffed comp so

[humble robin]

Im scared when its 3 bb

[ocean quest]

props

[humble robin]

Yeah a little limited

No mushashi or fortune meta or vanguard

I really hope they return somehow the old cruisepass ships

Missing bb reload tech and fortune meta

[serene epoch]

you do not need tech in pvp

[humble robin]

Does not count?

[serene epoch]

Does not give any bonus

Only enhance, affinity and equipment give you stats

[ocean quest]

yep

[humble robin]

Ok thx

Thats great

[boreal comet]

That's nice

[humble robin]

Lets see, i think its doable due to Hakuryu

Rank 295 vs 6, probably 11 points

[boreal comet]

Laffey II can probably tank her airstrikes while sleeping

[serene epoch]

you can just check his points on ladder

[humble robin]

Its the point difference, not rank?

[serene epoch]

n

[humble robin]

Im learning still i admit

[serene epoch]

I mean

[humble robin]

50 points difference it was

Fortune meta swept up all my preloads though

Annoying ship

So i can attack rank80

[boreal comet]

That is her purpose

[humble robin]

I wont get bonus points, right?

So better waiting i guess?

This happened on day one or sth

I guess super lucky with extra points

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/930933812106522665/1206733039561084968/IMG_4781.png?ex=65dd14b8&is=65ca9fb8&hm=a12d74ede71b9f6b3b5b792929c6034e0a5df4647664de018a19588c040affbb&

I was surprised

There was huge rank gap

[ocean quest]

35 points is needed for +1

[humble robin]

So for 11 extra points thats like 385 point difference?

[ocean quest]

huuh?

I mean

+11 will need to be 35 points of difference

+10 is 0-34

[ocean quest]

I only meant +1 bonus on top of regular score

oh wait

[humble robin]

Yeah here i got 36 points

Thats 11 extra

[ocean quest]

youre seaman?

[humble robin]

This was in thr beginning of the week

[ocean quest]

oh

[humble robin]

I was surprised

Its a lot or points

[ocean quest]

you need less points for bonuses early on

[humble robin]

Oh

[ocean quest]

15 difference for +1 at seaman