pvp

[pseudo copper]

Iirc I used Port, Laffey, Helena for Ancho

I have more dev30 ships than unlocked ships in Lil E anyways

[ocean quest]

well i was mainly worried for fdg grinds if anything

theres like 999999 uss vgs

[floral wave]

nj, kear, hiryuu, dont need fdg on lil e

[ocean quest]

no no i didnt make an acc on lil e

[stable dawn]

oh yeah NJ perma soon

[ocean quest]

[stable dawn]

[pseudo copper]

Soon Lil E can use gunless UvH

[ocean quest]

honestly the more i think the more i like the idea of just waiting for nj

less pain

just rush ancho and kear

[brazen socket]

you know what would be funny

if they just released a gearlab IJN equivalent to 457 just for musashi

[floral wave]

too slow

they might add it in PR at some point tho

[brazen socket]

not 1:1 equivalent though

[ocean quest]

it would be worth being a bit slower for proper gun damage tho

[brazen socket]

probably has 356/410 reload

[floral wave]

yeah but 457 will definitely be slower than 356

[brazen socket]

oh right its like a bigger gun

[ocean quest]

since only other option for gun damage would be trip 410 which is 20s

[brazen socket]

it might be worth it to be honest

[stable dawn]

single 460mm gun

[floral wave]

single

huh

[stable dawn]

[ocean quest]

like it will still probably be 1-2 shots per fight anywya

[brazen socket]

unless the gun has a special mechanic, I do recall mk4 has a special mechanic in it

[floral wave]

[ocean quest]

yeah it had slower rld past 4th salvo or sth

(no effect in pvp basically)

[stable dawn]

historical accuracy already doesn't exist

[floral wave]

the point is how fast the first one comes

[stable dawn]

migjht as well give us a single 600mm gun

[floral wave]

because sushi barrage

[ocean quest]

[floral wave]

wasnt there a dd with like

big ass single gub

gun

[pseudo copper]

Single 920mm

[brazen socket]

920mm wtf

how long is that in inches

[pseudo copper]

Other than recoilless no

[pseudo copper]

36

Approx

[ocean quest]

almost as wide as you mom!!!!

[stable dawn]

fatter than gustav shell

[pseudo copper]

There was a sub with twin 305 though iirc

But had to resurface to reload

[brazen socket]

[stable dawn]

submarine BB

[pseudo copper]

First HMS ss pls

[stable dawn]

underwater maids

[ocean quest]

like that annoying ass c1 boss last event

[pseudo copper]

Oh wait was single 305

[stable dawn]

fuck yeah dude. I want that to be a playable unit

[pseudo copper]

Still fucking huge for a sub

[ocean quest]

submarine pvp meta

[floral wave]

yeah thats the one i meant

[stable dawn]

full ASW meta

[pseudo copper]

Then yeah was a soviet DD with like recoilless 200mm iirc

[ocean quest]

darkest timeline???

[pseudo copper]

Oh wait recoilless 305

[stable dawn]

nah the darkest timeline is when we have preload nukes

you die instantly when you enter an exercise

[ocean quest]

[stable dawn]

or your opponent dies instantly

it's all rng

[ocean quest]

whoever plays less wins

[stable dawn]

coin flip meta

[floral wave]

coin flip, has to use hiryuu to see who won

[stable dawn]

the nuke hits before the fight begins so you don't even know whose FC procced first

[ocean quest]

hiryuu needs to be hit to losr

[stable dawn]

[ocean quest]

fastest plane loadout on hiryuu wins

♿

[floral wave]

[ocean quest]

finding out the hard way

by losing when my fc procced 2nd

[pseudo copper]

Laffey 2 survives nukes though

[stable dawn]

so did eugen

canonically

[floral wave]

no

this is going

wrong way

dont

[pseudo copper]

Eugen did sink in the end

Was too irradiated to be rescued anyways

[stable dawn]

pvp now inflicts a real life DoT

[pseudo copper]

Always did

[floral wave]

eugen retro, dies 30s into battle

[pseudo copper]

Eugen retro dies before battle

[floral wave]

[brazen socket]

eugen retro, sick hybrid of anchorage and laffey

[ocean quest]

shipgirls irl??

[brazen socket]

[stable dawn]

new meta just transports you back in time to the real wwii

[ocean quest]

LMAO

[stable dawn]

if you die in pvp you die irl

[floral wave]

keep resetting

[brazen socket]

the new meta is to stop the world wars so azur lane has nothing to base off on so azur lane would've never existed and we're all free from hell

[ocean quest]

at least people would look at their screens🗣️

[pseudo copper]

Does stuff we do come back with us to today times?

[floral wave]

death on warcrime path

[stable dawn]

mission failed. Instead WWI lasts 200 years and we arrive in the ULTRAKILL timeline

[pseudo copper]

Time to buy cities

[brazen socket]

I mean at least AL is never gonna run out of ships

[pseudo copper]

Nah bro, I just want to buy up everything

[ocean quest]

saving the world by unexsisting azur lane

[pseudo copper]

Good way for me to afford a sea of lube

[floral wave]

buys vegas

[pseudo copper]

I wanna have a Mediterranean sea worth of lube inland

[floral wave]

why not atlantic

[ocean quest]

[pseudo copper]

Atlantic is an ocean and no land big enough for that

[ocean quest]

russia would fit that

suurely

[stable dawn]

soyuz when

[pseudo copper]

Who tf wants frozen lube?

[stable dawn]

actually

next event could be Soviet

[floral wave]

dont talk about frozen stuff pls

its -9 herr

here

[stable dawn]

Soyuz confirmed???

[pseudo copper]

Next event is gonna be about frozen lube?

[floral wave]

and wind makes it feel like fucking -20

[pseudo copper]

It isn’t cold here

But wind is blowing so hard that I can hear it through a concrete wall

[floral wave]

wind acting up everywhere

[ocean quest]

[pseudo copper]

Must be that Quyet is deleting more and more vids causing severe gusts

[stable dawn]

maybe we'll get a wind skill

increases vg speed

[ocean quest]

just live in a tropical country like me (poland)

[stable dawn]

decreases enemy speed

[floral wave]

increase IX speed

[stable dawn]

wind meta

[pseudo copper]

I don’t wanna be invaded every other Tuesday bro

[ocean quest]

random wind in each battle can tip over ships 💯

[stable dawn]

fart meta

[ocean quest]

you'd get used to it

[pseudo copper]

Nah

[floral wave]

russian missile? bruh tell me something new

[pseudo copper]

I rather stay here and complain about small gusts

[ocean quest]

your loss

[floral wave]

im pretty sure thats a win

chat help @neon bronze is flaming my laff2 gun choice

[pseudo copper]

Should use no gun for gunless Laff 2 tech

[floral wave]

its not american

just like sushis isnt ijn

unfortunately

[neon bronze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/707963720789393438.webp?size=48&name=mutsukiBleh&quality=lossless

ur gun supremacy

though i'll admit, just got my laff-ii to lvl 110~ and got no oil to farm with

[ocean quest]

blue gun china tech

missing roomba

[floral wave]

no fuck that

no china tech

[ocean quest]

tho i did think of blue gun as well because im a cheapskate and didnt want to +13 the rainbow gum

[floral wave]

so far it works well tbh

both pvp and pve

not like i had anything serious to test it on in pvp but dont think rainbow would change much

soon my laffey will get a manjuu

thats where the fun starts

[ocean quest]

feels kinda useless since she will live very long anyway

and will probably proc when its too late to take any serious effect anyway

[floral wave]

ill have no one else to put it on anyway

[ocean quest]

i may be wrong but i havent seen people use it on her

[ocean quest]

[floral wave]

[ocean quest]

pve nj??

in 2024??

or im missing some memo

[floral wave]

no

what

[ocean quest]

well manjuu would go on nj or kear otherwise

i can assume kear would have pve gear if its not on her

[pseudo copper]

460 NJ

New Sandy tech

[floral wave]

what if you dont use either

kear or nj

[ocean quest]

so last option is nj and shes kinda not used in pve if you have everything

[ocean quest]

[pseudo copper]

Just use pvp gear in pve

[ocean quest]

honestly this is very true

[pseudo copper]

Not like there is any serious pve content

[floral wave]

yeah i didnt mean pve gear when i said i wont have anyone besides laffey to out manjuu on

[ocean quest]

tf you running

seyd?

[floral wave]

not yet, but soon

yes

[ocean quest]

[floral wave]

seyd vang

[ocean quest]

[pseudo copper]

Using Felix?

[floral wave]

thats why soon

shes still 90

but yeah, felix

[ocean quest]

🐌

[floral wave]

initially i didnt plan on developing her at all

at least not until later on

[neon bronze]

NJ-less might be a thing lol

i wanna use one of the MK fleets lol

Musashi BisZwei Seydlitz

don't decide where the Manjuu goes now https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/866256487566934037.webp?size=48&name=KEKW~8&quality=lossless

[lusty hill]

Manjuu on seydlitz

[neon bronze]

thanks for the psyop

[floral wave]

ew

[neon bronze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1090589871615262770.webp?size=48&name=essexdoorpeek&quality=lossless

[trail temple]

There's a lot of psyopping going on here

[ocean quest]

overcap strategy

[brazen socket]

76 does make sense for her though tbh

she has a great aoa and she only has 1 gun anyways and relies on her spawns to do damage

and since its like pvp and given the current meta

the spawns are kinda unreliable

I approve

[boreal comet]

They are unreliable even in pve

[torpid shuttle]

I was wondering why kearsarge was dealing no dmg

no gun kearsarge meta

[stable dawn]

gunless tech prevails once again

[brazen socket]

honestly thats what i've been saying, people give laffey too much credit when shes inconsistent

[stable dawn]

what's with everyone hyperfocusing on her summons and dps

she is literally the best vg tank in the game

and doesn't have anti-synergy with fortm like ancho

[whole salmon]

Consistency in dps? No one bothers with her damage

The consistency in her survivability is what is impressive

If we wanted Dps we would have used Shima

It has been a long while since we have gotten a ship with such consistency in guaranteed survival time

[ocean quest]

hey my 0lb laffeys damage gets carried by her summons

[torpid shuttle]

sounds like skill issue not having mlb laffii

[ocean quest]

new account

[deft escarp]

If you lose the coin flip the Crow Mauler will stare at you while you sleep

[torpid shuttle]

is beaver wirbel boiler enough for scissors

does this look unequipped

[floral wave]

14.7 kinda weird

well 14.8

but maybe no oxytorps?

[torpid shuttle]

idk about fleet tech so here is my fp

[ocean quest]

i got around 14.8 on my vgs because i dont have all +13s

[floral wave]

maybe no +13 shit

[ocean quest]

okay i got 14.9, he has 14.6 for me

so hes missing some eq yea

since mine is already pretty barebones with +10 auxes

[floral wave]

[torpid shuttle]

so

who are the

triple BB subscribers vs hiryuu

[ocean quest]

i sleep im blind and want to keep my hiryuu

surely i make the cut this season with 3 overcapped excercises

washer dead sever

[torpid shuttle]

what's the cut

aotn?

[ocean quest]

eos

if i get lucky maybe i can try for r1 but i would need extreme midseason

which is unlikely

plus lazy

since as i said overcapped

fell asleep day 2

[ocean quest]

maybe whoever decides to bag this season will die as usual

it will help me

[floral wave]

i overcapped one 2nd tuesday last season

still ended 2586

and couldve gotten more if i wasnt late

[ocean quest]

yea i lost 1 on 2nd wednesday and was on fine pace

but sadly i fucking fell asleep on saturday

[floral wave]

i just rush set3

[torpid shuttle]

my overcapped exercises are

hiding the good fleets from me

im too low to see them

im itching to test scissors

[ocean quest]

just wait until midseason gets going

[ocean quest]

jintsuu offtank sus

[torpid shuttle]

torp dif test 1

ok laffii makes it not close

[ocean quest]

[torpid shuttle]

not testing anymore

so much dmg and strong

[floral wave]

whats the point of that jintsuu

[ocean quest]

yeah

[floral wave]

only thing shes got going is suicide torps

in that spot

[torpid shuttle]

yea sandwich at most

[ocean quest]

okay level 111 laffey will have to do for the rest of the season

[torpid shuttle]

i just shit exp packs into her

[ocean quest]

yeah...

[torpid shuttle]

i thought about like

farming her in 13-1 and having a nice carry

nah I just wanna use her now

[ocean quest]

what else will you even book

[torpid shuttle]

more vanguards

I hear about people having all main fleets leveled and only vanguards left

so I have first floor for only vanguards, only book vanguards

[ocean quest]

the mythical 1st floor xp

[torpid shuttle]

it's like 200k exp a day

[ocean quest]

really

i guess thats what i got for forgetting to feed them

[floral wave]

im lvling laffey, guam and scylla in 14-4

[torpid shuttle]

like 25k for each slot, 5 slots overnight

[ocean quest]

oh

okay i thought 200k each

and went "shit I guess I should've fed them"

[torpid shuttle]

but you should still feed them

it's pretty free for awhile

[ocean quest]

didnt bother with anything for like a month now

ill get the alt levelled and play more then there

or something

[torpid shuttle]

oh well

i'll just get aotn by making people randomly lose

[floral wave]

hopefully aotn this season

[torpid shuttle]

so

kearsarge 457 is barely interrupted by nk 457 right

so no mk4 shenanigans

[ocean quest]

nj?

[torpid shuttle]

north korean

[ocean quest]

huh

[neon bronze]

lol

[torpid shuttle]

yes nj

[floral wave]

best korean

[ocean quest]

nj should be faster than kear

[floral wave]

wait, what

[ocean quest]

has self rld buff so

and higher base rld

[whole salmon]

NJ is way faster than Kear lmao

Kear is slow af

The problem is with Vang and NJ, both are equally fast

[stable dawn]

you can make kear fast, and it's a lot more consistent imo

[trail temple]

Slap hood gun

[stable dawn]

or better yet, use 356 kai

[trail temple]

https://tenor.com/view/keemstar-im-fast-as-fuck-boi-keemstar-run-running-fast-gif-18083431

[stable dawn]

[neon bronze]

it actually kind of makes sense

[torpid shuttle]

I could do vang, but vang is my META fleet rn
so no swapping

i dont wanna

[finite fog]

Can't tell if psyop

[vast cloak]

457 or 406 for NJ?

[brazen socket]

obviously 457

[neon bronze]

mk4 kear is fine for 3 bb but generally 457 on both kear and nj is better. Can stagger naturally since Kear rld is 🐌

[neon bronze]

mk4 if you are quyet
real: 457 best on nj, just right for her. Never saw a need to raise other guns like FdG gun and mk4 for NJ

[brazen socket]

did somebody say psyops

wait lemme delete or bonk

[neon bronze]

There are no psyops in PvP

You just test and use what you find best to deal with

Or you could just rely on Pvp sheet for most options for convenience

Never went wrong

[vast cloak]

ive always used the 406 for more barrage spam

[finite fog]

serenity is a psyop

[boreal comet]

True

[torpid shuttle]

ok a test fleet

wow i won through musashi sniped

laffii is so stupid

gg

ok winrate is high

only a short bit ago they had annoying reset rate

5/5

[lusty hill]

I will copy that fleet

[torpid shuttle]

huh?

but replace shima

[lusty hill]

oh wait lol didn't see shima

I thought it's the new laffey2 comp

[torpid shuttle]

my fleet is

and it's so stellar

[lusty hill]

do you oath your fleet?

[torpid shuttle]

only musashi

[lusty hill]

high winrate vs full oathed fleet

[torpid shuttle]

-20%dmg > 6% stats

but when I won despite musashi snipe

then i thought ok this good

i can look away

my laffii is still 120 rn

[torpid shuttle]

tho this happened after first salvo

[torpid shuttle]

ought I

+13 WNT and fairy poster?

where Beaver is on laffii now

and has anyone noticed performance dif between 137 and plygun

[wicked surge]

Non +13 457 🤢

[torpid shuttle]

i just +13ed guam gun

i cannot do b2b rainbows 😭

[trail temple]

137 higher dps

[torpid shuttle]

so is that completely better

[wicked surge]

Be like serenity and hoard a lot

[trail temple]

DD guns generally are better

[torpid shuttle]

137 is the fakest dd gun

why cant u answer me about 137 directly

i will +13 137 if it's better than plygun on musashi

[trail temple]

It is pretty direct, it's not hard to understand.

137 has higher dps

[torpid shuttle]

yea but there's range or accuracy

[trail temple]

Have you looked at the range?

As well as the firing angle and spread?

[torpid shuttle]

i see, but wiki dps rates plygun dps higher

since the +20% cl buff

[trail temple]

Ummm

What

You talking about hull buffs?

[torpid shuttle]

firing angle is prob good enough to call 137 better

[torpid shuttle]

CL gun buff that happened several months ago

+20% dmg to all CL guns

[wicked surge]

Isn't that with +13? Ur willing to upgrade one just for pvp?

[torpid shuttle]

i upgraded +13 457 just for pvp

[torpid shuttle]

plygun+13 beats 137 +13

[fickle echo]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/811611113556410388/1116378805959925790/y2mate.com_-_Azur_Lane_Quick_review_of_gear_lab_update_and_related_things_1080p.mp4

[trail temple]

Thanks, my brainrot is real

[torpid shuttle]

ill just do 137s

cheaper

[trail temple]

Spread is also a factor, with BBs you will notice the spread angle more (due to the distance they're firing from) so you'll probably only hit the vanguard with 1 or 2 shots

This is comparing plygun with a dd gun

[lusty hill]

is that quyet video

[torpid shuttle]

i mean you say that, but plygun is comparable to DD guns

but that's across med and heavy

well

yeah

[trail temple]

If my brain hasn't completely smoothed from this gamemode, the dps should factor in the number of shells too. Thus if you miss two shells, that's a decent dps drop

You generally prefer tighter groupings

[torpid shuttle]

ye

18 vs 0 deg

ok

[neon bronze]

but fleet power number !!!1!

[lusty hill]

I once almost lost to z flag user

big number scary

[neon bronze]

[torpid shuttle]

does en agree

[stable dawn]

EN is busy losing to 460mm Musashi so yes

[torpid shuttle]

I guess I only need Wirbel Luft for that speed threshold

in scissors

[neon bronze]

i forgot to take note of Shima's SPD stat buff with one of her skills

found out much later because I'm EN

[torpid shuttle]

read issue

but yea scissors with only beaver wirbel is 48.8

[neon bronze]

i'll check that later, checking irl testpaper atm Lol

[torpid shuttle]

im starting semester tomorrow

[wheat anvil]

Time to get callped

Close

[brazen socket]

The only ships that can threaten you is formi and z23

[wheat anvil]

The Princeton

Is being annoying in pvp

they probably had bad gear

[ocean quest]

🤼

[lusty hill]

🤼‍♂️

[ancient raptor]

🤼‍♀️

[boreal comet]

🤼

[empty crater]

🤼‍♀️

[neon bronze]

🤼‍♂️

[wheat anvil]

[lusty hill]

[ocean quest]

pvp has to stay in #pvp tho

[trail temple]

[boreal comet]

Is pvp real?

[lusty hill]

It's pretty real

[junior trench]

In my mind it is

[coral wren]

What are some good PvP ships? I may get into PvP sometime in the future.

[floral wave]

sheet in pins has all of it

[coral wren]

Thx m8

[torpid shuttle]

holy moly I almost overcapped

again

this overcap wouldve blocked me from aotn i think

[ocean quest]

theres still an hour

[torpid shuttle]

yea but i almost ignored al the whole hour left

dude

laffii just is the insurance instead of hiryuu

this is so strong

my flag kear keeps dying before my manjuu nj top even procs

am i supposed to manjuu kear

[neon bronze]

you could, manjuu nj hetter though

u considering not making kear as flagship?

[torpid shuttle]

isnt nj stronger

[stable dawn]

honestly, vanguard is just better lol

[ocean quest]

manjuu vg?

[stable dawn]

I've done some pretty extensive testing and Musashi NJ Van with WNT flag is just something else

[torpid shuttle]

wnt vanny flag?

vanny is my kirov fleet, so im not using her anyways

[ocean quest]

imagine having vanguard

[valid oxide]

Idk if I should run mush wnt flag or hiryuu wnt flag

[torpid shuttle]

u dont wanna do triple bb?

[valid oxide]

Only triple BB I can do is milf

Oh god milf isn't even there anymore

[stable dawn]

milf is ded

[valid oxide]

Milf felt mid anyway

Warkai revival when

[stable dawn]

HMS Lion cope

[valid oxide]

Warkai with pearl worked back when I used her

[torpid shuttle]

is vanny additive to WNT

cos

well is it

[valid oxide]

Is it 10% for both wnt and van

[torpid shuttle]

van is 10% perma, debuffed 8% bonus dmg taken from bbs

WNT is 15% reduced dmg dealt

so vanny and WNT are multiplicative

in #gameplay-help

[valid oxide]

Can I cope for meeb to come back or is it perma dead

[stable dawn]

meeb

good luck trying to fight a monkey fleet with meeb

[floral wave]

meeb

[boreal comet]

Monkey and rock gang

[floral wave]

muh wyverns

[boreal comet]

Return to primal

[stable dawn]

the wyverns are good in w15

not wasted gold plates totally

[floral wave]

i have +13 breguets too

tried experimenting with fast shinano recently

we need a fortune meta that isnt anti ancho

[stable dawn]

or an IJN Juneau

[floral wave]

what would ijn juneau change tbh

[valid oxide]

IJN Juneau that buffs IJN backlines

[floral wave]

ijn juneau

but its backline

[ocean quest]

just tank laffey 2

[stable dawn]

she'd be able to replace shima and heal

[floral wave]

i meant for actual stall fleets

[floral wave]

kitakami? shima with heal but cl, also double torp launch upon death?

[stable dawn]

at that point just put pearl on JintM

same effect

[floral wave]

but shes not ijn

cant be atdan ur at the same time

that shit was tense

[boreal comet]

I've been thinking of which ship to slot that in

Might do just that

[stable dawn]

no fortm. Could've probably won using Yakuza and Paper ngl

[floral wave]

ye if i swapped

[torpid shuttle]

for scissors

do you guys do laffey sandwich or fortune sandwich

[floral wave]

scissors is what, jintsuu laffey fort?

fort offtank in my case

[torpid shuttle]

fort is my pearl wearer so i thought to put her sandwich

[floral wave]

does middle die faster

than off

[torpid shuttle]

doesnt it? torp splash hits sandwich pretty easily

[floral wave]

idk

[torpid shuttle]

pve isnt necessarily pvp so

[floral wave]

yeah thats why im not saying its good or bad

[torpid shuttle]

in pve, torp heavy worlds kill sandwich faster

but shelling kills offtank faster

[floral wave]

i just dont know the actual interactions

[valid oxide]

Use warkai as your pearl wearer

Trust

[ocean quest]

obligatory hiryuu pearl

[finite fog]

Wnt flag

I hate wnt flag

[torpid shuttle]

just kill opponent

[junior trench]

[torpid shuttle]

[lusty hill]

Luna was proposed to be a pvp meta back when she was released

[valid oxide]

Didn't CN make a copium fueled triple CV with akaga + Luna

[neon bronze]

to wall 3 BB using Manjuu NJ and old stall frontline

[fickle echo]

@zenith lantern

[zenith lantern]

It's awful

wasted so many cog arrays testing it because someone had to

and it was total garbage

[fickle echo]

Aldarn got CN'd

[zenith lantern]

It'd be even worse now

Laffey + one backliner could probably even solo it

[torpid shuttle]

paper beats scissors ig lost one

[stable dawn]

[trail temple]

I think we need to include lizard and spock here

Not just the traditional rock paper scissors

[lusty hill]

🪨 📰 ✂️ 🦎 👽

[undone blade]

Is it better to leave this skill at 1?

[torpid shuttle]

did you read it correctly

[undone blade]

How do I answer that? I reread it and still have the question...

[torpid shuttle]

the fp debuff is reduced with levels, the AA buff is increased with levels

[undone blade]

Ahhh.. now I see

I had to look at the level 10 version

I assumed they both increased

🤦‍♂️

Let's forget this ever happened. Nothing to see here

[neon bronze]

that's easy to rectify though

Learn as much as you want

Nothing wrong with that

[trail temple]

There's also the modifier per level that you can use, the aa buff is +2.2% per level and the debuff is -2.2%

Juneau also has shit fp so it's not a big loss there, her aa is great tho

[boreal comet]

It happened

I overcapped

[valid oxide]

Skill issue

[boreal comet]

[neon bronze]

issue of skill

[boreal comet]

[wicked surge]

What's over cap?

[boreal comet]

It was only by 2 so I think it can be saved

[torpid shuttle]

going over 10/10

[wicked surge]

Ah , I did that day 1

[lusty hill]

skill issue

[novel adder]

I'm getting Flashbacks of History of Azur Lane PVP:

1. CBT and late 2018: Enty was invincible with Prinz Eugen, Portland, and Takao. They don't care about Main Fleet either it's Hood or anything.

Early 2019: Enty combined with HMS Meta QE and the Gang

Mid 2019: AmagiTBC changed everything and combined with Ayaya+ destroyed everything

Late 2019: Nagato + Amagi + Enty or just Nakaga. Jintsu + Sendai + Yukikaze or Ayaya

Early 2020: Namaryuu was invincible, Sandy Juneau combo was overused

Mid 2020: Warspite Kai countering each other's Hiryuu+

Late 2020: PRs META born combined with Sandy Kai Juneau idk

Early 2021: Idk but NJ replaced IJN Meta completely but Juneau Sandy almost rarely used

Mid 2021 until Now: Idk Idk these era. But seems META and more limited ships being used (also newest PRs)

So basically nowadays who hit first wins

[lusty hill]

before mafia era

[neon bronze]

the S H E E T

[stable dawn]

we have a museum

[late heath]

museum of french preload

[trail temple]

I like the section about Shinano and Italians

[whole salmon]

This for some reason seems like it skipped a lot of things

[floral wave]

dont

thats kayla

[whole salmon]

I didn’t mention

As in ping was off

I think

[floral wave]

i mean, dont waste your time on this one

[neon bronze]

i would

but i spawned on misashi event so idk rly

[whole salmon]

Early era:

• Warspite, Enterprise, Akagi, Kaga, Juneau, Washington, South Dakota, Hood

[floral wave]

its the messers best fighters, endless skill issue in pve, i got this account from a dead friend

guy

apparently been making gph's life hard for last 5h

[brazen socket]

this guy already revealed all of his cards too early, this is why salty and lycoris >>>>

[floral wave]

we also had him/her appear various times in alm in the past

[wicked surge]

6-7 now

[brazen socket]

yeah hes 1 warn away from ban town

salty and lycoris troll in a way that its not obvious so much but enough to be entertaining but the guy reaveled his hand too early and is already a warn away
smh

we need to teach people troll meta

[whole salmon]

2018: Jintsuu kai, Sendai kai, Amagi, Kaga BB, Yukikaze, Nagato, Ibuki
=> Birth of IJN supremacy

• Nagato, Akagi, Kaga / Nagato, Amagi, Kaga BB or Hiryuu
• Saint Louis/Neptune, Juneau, Yukikaze

[brazen socket]

anyways uh should I stick with gas can on kearsarge

[whole salmon]

Around this time I think is when the HMS fleet was formed

[brazen socket]

or force manjuu

I have contract on nj and wnt on sushi

[whole salmon]

• QE, Monarch, Hood, Warspite, Belfast, Neptune, Juneau etc

Most of the early days are just mix matched

Until 2019 came along and PR2 got released

[wicked surge]

I should hangout here more often, gph is gonna lose me brain cells and give me cancer

[whole salmon]

• Nagato, Amagi, FDG/Warkai/Hiryuu, Juneau, Azuma, Yukikaze

2020 then we got 2 big updates

The first was Naganami’s release

[floral wave]

pvp is gonna give you insomnia instead

[wicked surge]

Mafiaaaaaaaaaaaa

[floral wave]

[whole salmon]

Giving birth to the first ever torp cancer

[brazen socket]

good trade off

[whole salmon]

Noshiro Naganami Jintsuu

The second in 2020 was Shinano

Which took the place of Amagi in IJN comp

[wicked surge]

Wait was mafia 2021?

[wicked surge]

It's 3:19 am rn

[stable dawn]

good ol' Naganami

[whole salmon]

2021 was Italians for the first half

[stable dawn]

[brazen socket]

inb4 naganami retrofit

[floral wave]

[brazen socket]

she becomes a second jintsuu meta

[whole salmon]

VV, Aquila, Perseus, Duca, etc

Then NJ got released

[stable dawn]

nah, no amount of torp fuckery will make her worthwhile when we have Laffey II and FortM

[whole salmon]

Then Anchorage got released

Then Shima got released

All in 2021, forming Mafia

[brazen socket]

and buffs stackable with jintsuu and she also does last stand torp barrage

[whole salmon]

But at the same time, the Weeb comp of NJ Shinano Hiryuu was also seeing some play

[stable dawn]

weeb got cucked twice

[floral wave]

weeb comeback when

[whole salmon]

Ofc, Weeb comp would later become MSN upon Musashi’s release in 2022

[brazen socket]

her torps will automatically lock into backline and will go around the battlefield

[stable dawn]

weeb first became meeb tbf

[whole salmon]

While Mafia have their VV replaced with Vanguard, Duca replaced with Harbin

[stable dawn]

imo MSN developed more as an offshoot of HYMEN, which itself was an offshoot of Yakuza

[whole salmon]

And then we all said screw it

And removed Aquila

And ran Triple BB

[wicked surge]

PvP meta , 🤢, I'm outta here

[floral wave]

[stable dawn]

not just meta, historical metas

[wicked surge]

I'm camping in rank8000 with full meta

[stable dawn]

[floral wave]

didnt last long

[stable dawn]

anyone remember Shiden Kai?

[ocean quest]

i officially cancel torpedos

[floral wave]

yes

one day of shiden kai

[neon bronze]

i heard the memes

[whole salmon]

Shiden Kai Shinano was peak

[floral wave]

or was it longer

how fast did they fix it

[stable dawn]

I think it was like 2-3 days

definitely wasn't just 1

[floral wave]

laffey2 fleets are so annoying

especially the 5 waifu + laffey

[stable dawn]

until you get laffey2

[floral wave]

no, that doesnt make her die faster

[stable dawn]

torp brainrot has made you weak

believing 15s victories are normal

[floral wave]

nah

im fine with 30+

[ocean quest]

exactly

[stable dawn]

back in IJN meta it was 90-120s

[floral wave]

i wish for the weeb-like comeback

[stable dawn]

take it or leave it

[ocean quest]

i officially end torp meta, you may retire your fortunes

[floral wave]

i never experienced 90-120

[wicked surge]

My fortune is no leveled , so I'm running Laffey shima jinstuu

[stable dawn]

you spent the first 20s or so waiting for something to happen

[ocean quest]

20s nap

[floral wave]

nagato pls proc

[stable dawn]

enemy nagato:

[floral wave]

yes

i did experience that

early lil e

[stable dawn]

no yuki duels though

[floral wave]

wdym no

i ran yuki

ancho yuki harbin

[wicked surge]

Just use uni retrofit , there was no counter for a full week

[stable dawn]

what percentage of your fights ended in just a single yuki fighting another yuki

for the next 60s

[ocean quest]

yuki on yuki action

the finest

[floral wave]

i know what we need

we need SUPER augments, just next lvl of purple into gold but not ship specific

would shit out anti torp slash every 5s

then we can drop fort

[stable dawn]

I want one that gives an invuln shield for the first 15s of a fight

torps dead forever

eternal stall meta

preloads dead forever

[floral wave]

make it happen

[stable dawn]

it'll make weeb great again

[floral wave]

shinano hiryuu kear

wait

need a uss hiryuu

[ocean quest]

what about jintsuu death barrage

[wicked surge]

Enty 100% buff

[ocean quest]

isnt that main reason anyone keeps using her

[floral wave]

i mean

she also doesnt die

or at least

not fast enough compared to fight lenght

[stable dawn]

enty with 100% proc will just be Hiryuu but worse lol

[floral wave]

thats the point

[ocean quest]

eh jintsuus invul is 🤏

oh youre not talking about jintsuu

[stable dawn]

instead of guaranteed FC you can just slaughter her before she launches

[floral wave]

i was talking about jintsuu

[stable dawn]

since no guaranteed invuln until she does

[ocean quest]

oh

[floral wave]

but what else would you use atm

i guess you can laff tank

[ocean quest]

shima for speed ♿

[floral wave]

but you cant use ancho

[ocean quest]

im ahead of the curve and dropped fortune surely it will end well

[floral wave]

so thats one spot for whatever

feb will have kms ur that spawns a dragon eating torps

trust

[ocean quest]

i love eating torps

[neon bronze]

biszwei technically is
on flag

still squishy though lol, tried that when amagi had some triple torps on def fleets

[brazen socket]

a kms ur cl that eats torps so she retains the good benefits

[floral wave]

why flag

doesnt change dragons position

dragon not wide enough anyway

[neon bronze]

i am coping

[boreal comet]

🪨 🐒

[torpid shuttle]

i keep rising in rank from nothing

people keep losing runs kekw

[ocean quest]

[torpid shuttle]

is firing order musashi vanny nj?

who's wearing WNT in it?

k who do i test

I have vanny WNT flag i guess

or do yall rather musashi WNT

im trying out kear in kirovmeta so I can have vanny pvp

[stable dawn]

I personally prefer van flag so she can hit with plygun more often

[lusty hill]

would vanguard still middle if no plygun?

[torpid shuttle]

maybe, 137 is strong

[lusty hill]

planning to switch to stepmom next week when I mlb laffey2

seems fleet with minimun investment

[coral wren]

w pfp

https://tenor.com/view/momo-twice-momo-twice-the-feels-gif-23898931

[brazen socket]

in your guys opinion, monkey or stepmom?

[lusty hill]

stepmom

[coral wren]

step mom

ssstepmom

[neon bronze]

have not tested current versions lol

my laff-ii still lvl 115

[torpid shuttle]

in newbie/budget fleets when NJ is released, what budget semen or milf will nj fdg kear be

NJ spark is released

step aunts

[stable dawn]

more likely people will just run KENNY

[coral wren]

whats the tankiest vanguard i can have in pvp rn

[torpid shuttle]

tankiest or best?

[coral wren]

tankiest

[torpid shuttle]

Rock for left, scissors for right in pins

[coral wren]

alright is it the one with anchorage?

[torpid shuttle]

theyre labeled

[late heath]

kashino x3 for vanguard

[trail temple]

Kashino-chan, Kashino and Kashino META?

[ocean quest]

yeah he always has a pretty strong comp with like all +13s

[late heath]

Kashino-chan, Kashino, UR Kashino

[ocean quest]

🐒 🪨

[floral wave]

🐒 💨 🪨

💢

[brazen socket]

Monkey gives birth to dwayne johnson...

[fickle echo]

Is this the reason why he appears in so many jungle movies?

[floral wave]

lmao

[undone blade]

Best backline to build w/o Musashi or Kearsage? Likely going against Laffii vans.
Back to WEEB meta?
Or something like FdG | NJ | Hiryuukai.
If BBs, who would be better to use while waiting for NJ pity? Owari, Warkai, Richey, or UvH?
Little Enty
Thanks!

[ocean quest]

time to get kearsarge

[undone blade]

I can't afford to switch to season 6 focus. I'm new

[ocean quest]

what else are you doing

[undone blade]

I can unlock her, but the prints to dev30 will take forever

[ocean quest]

forever...

[undone blade]

PR4 & 5 probably first?

Think I should skip them?

.
Anyway, even if I do, my original question still stands. What to build until I get her?

[ocean quest]

fdg nj hiryuu tamaki in some sort of combination

would be fine

[undone blade]

Thx. Tamaki is unavailable, FYI

[ocean quest]

not much to work with so

[undone blade]

So, some riff on Hymen... Can you address this part of my question?
who would be better to use while waiting for NJ pity? Owari, Warkai, or Richey?

Or UvH

[ocean quest]

id cope with riche

[undone blade]

Thanks. Saves me from needing to retro Warspite

I'll use Owari and Riche until I can coin FdG

It's been working well so far

But it's mainly all vanguard

[timid wyvern]

if i don't have jiintsuu meta at max stars do i use her or swap to someone else

[wicked surge]

Don't use her

[lusty hill]

Ancho

[empty crater]

harbin noshiro

[scenic tendon]

5 stars JintM is still better than Anchorage, Harbin or Noshiro (also I don't understand why someone mentioned Noshiro and Harbin as JintM's replacements because they have completely different roles).

[timid wyvern]

my JM has no somatic activation (3 stars)

[brazen socket]

if shes only at 3 stars you're better off not using her at all

[wheat anvil]

I'd get clapped?

I will try

Ya

Wth

[short needle]

diego retrofit is a AA unit, warspite +130% dmg to a target slaps, NJ does a lot of damage from what i remember, cant speak for the rest besides eugen has a nice shield

[empty crater]

[trail temple]

Eugen

Nice shield
Pick one

[serene epoch]

4 ships not even mlb
Only 1 ship is good and 2 more somewhat viable

[lusty hill]

show your fleet

[wheat anvil]

[trail temple]

Level difference

[serene epoch]

Yep

[wheat anvil]

Heavily matters?

[trail temple]

Extremely

[serene epoch]

Yep

[lusty hill]

each level difference add 2% damage increase iirc

higher level do more damage vs lower level

[serene epoch]

Also laffey 2 is probably better tank than portland

[trail temple]

You want your carry to be 125

Otherwise you stuffed

[ocean quest]

and hp multiplier in pvp also scales off level

so it increases the gap even further

[wheat anvil]

Bruh

[wheat anvil]

Thanks

[ocean quest]

if i wanted tankier jintsuu, would we take eva or hp

im thinking evasion

[serene epoch]

I put kicks in her

So I vote for eva

[ocean quest]

plan is to have her survive until vg reaches backliners and have her ondeath barrage obliterate backliners

the barrage is its own thing not based on torps shes equipping right

[neon bronze]

sudoku jintM

[serene epoch]

You think she gonna outlive enemy laffey?

[neon bronze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/747417429830795285.gif?size=48&name=pogChampExplode&quality=lossless

[ocean quest]

[empty crater]

[floral wave]

it is the torps she equips

[ocean quest]

oh thats interesting

[hollow walrus]

capped at 20 lvls max iirc so 40% dmg reduc for enemy and 40% less dmg dealt for you

[frail grove]

bro wtf

[finite fog]

Flat is justice

[frail grove]

bulins for battle? very smart🤣

[torpid shuttle]

so

stepmom scissors is pretty hot

[finite fog]

It's to help guys like you get the sweet merits

[ocean quest]

[torpid shuttle]

real

[junior trench]

No Kearsarge

[finite fog]

New best fleet

[torpid shuttle]

i swapped kearsarge off

vanny is doing a surprising amount of dmg

by herself

yea this is beating amatir pretty nicely

his defense is still on monkey scissors

i also didnt know that mk4 vanny is faster than musashi 356

[neon bronze]

are you scissoring your stepmother?

[neon bronze]

yeah, sushi can use either 356 or 410kai in that case

[scenic tendon]

Keasarge's shelling buff is somewhat noticeable. With her damage output and some funny gears choice for NJ, the comp is still comparable to Stepmom or Q fleet.

[torpid shuttle]

kearsarge damage, as much as the high dmg screens exist

is usually pretty low

kearsarge farms dmg if she gets to fire 457 at backline

and she fires last

[neon bronze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1093034682272206889.webp?size=48&name=PauseChamp~5&quality=lossless

[scenic tendon]

Have you heard about white shell NJ?

[torpid shuttle]

over hpfcr?

[scenic tendon]

Higher up's tech, they are not being listed on the sheet.

[ocean quest]

is whiteshell even worth over fairymagic

hit is pretty nice to have

[scenic tendon]

5.5k dmg per shell is more important to me.

[scenic tendon]

Also Laffey 2 can use this as washing machine is USS.

[lusty hill]

Rudder on laffey

[torpid shuttle]

so's operation AF report

but that is limited

[torpid shuttle]

the 2600 HP dds can wear rudder without suffering too badly

[torpid shuttle]

cos vanny is dealing alot more dmg than she did, but vanny is also firing first with mk4

endscreen dmg, even in pvp

a meme

and kear does like no dmg to frontline

[scenic tendon]

Vanguard is dealing damage?

[torpid shuttle]

yea

sometimes like 8k

[stable dawn]

we're at the point where it's simple

CVs are dead

BBs are a thing

so if I fire and kill off 1-2 of your BBs before you do

I win

[scenic tendon]

NJ and Kearsarge are having the same damage output from my POV.

For Vanguard? Nah.

[torpid shuttle]

and you're doing the whiteshell tech?

cos this isnt the case for me

kear was always lower damage by alot

[scenic tendon]

2 457mm +13?

[stable dawn]

double 457 monkey tends to be too slow imo

you can sometimes lose to fucking bisko fleets

[torpid shuttle]

it was double 457 monkey yea

[stable dawn]

just because they will fire first

[scenic tendon]

Can't say it's slow as it mostly ends the battle at 20s match,

[stable dawn]

then you haven't fought a laffey mirror yet

[scenic tendon]

Laffey is not counted these days.

[torpid shuttle]

im starting to see more laffiis in top washys

[scenic tendon]

Who tf even counts indestructible object?

[stable dawn]

yeah even Lightscape put up a defense with it lol

kind of weird seeing him actually use real defenses