the avi DR seems nice but its really only against hiryuu
#pvp
whole salmon
Just use the USS quad magnetic converging torp
steel coral
kear and hiryuu are her biggest threats imo
undone blade
So Pink, what front line would you build were you me with what I can access.
floral wave
man i dont have plates to +13 another mk35 
whole salmon
Laffey Shima Juneau
undone blade
I have those submarine Torps on Laffii to fulfill her requirements. If I switch to teatorps, I'd put on my one 76mm aa gun
whole salmon
Laffey doesn’t fear Hiryuu whatsoever
Laffey is such a counter that I might consider dropping Hiryuu entirely
floral wave
torpid shuttle
if it's ingame units, then torp speeds are like 3.5
i can verify properly in a sec
whole terrace
Laffey Shima Juneau
vouch
floral wave
hm
floral wave
teatorps on wiki says 3.5 velocity
valid oxide
Isn't Felix torp speed similar to duca degli
floral wave
so 1 in that case is pretty big
and then blacktorp on top of that
smh
i have 3 teatorps +13
now i gotta +13 3x mk35?
i should just forget seyd and use whats most used
upper bronze
i absolutely obliterated my pvp winrate using an outdated fleet comp that was was actually "meta" I think back in 2022, never bothered to change it so now i go on the spreadsheet and copy the top comp and I just win 99% of the time. so easy
floral wave
man wins 99% in the rng torp meta 
upper bronze
cuz i just reset the fight until I win. And when I said 99%, more of a figure of speech. what I expect to happen. Before, I just kept losing every 3rd battle with my 2022 comp
floral wave
why is it only 99% then 
yeah thats to be expected with an old fleet
when the meta changed from ancho to torpcancer
undone blade
The mk35s or Quad mags seem to make more sense to me on Laffii especially since she's more of a stall and will be firing hopefully more than one round. Is my thinking valid?
floral wave
quad mags not really
they dont have the damage other torps do
and they will almost never reach backline
undone blade
Does anyone ever run Shima's rainbow 610s with the Black Torp aux?
floral wave
no
steel coral
and they will almost never reach backline
but she will making the quad mags more likely to hit
floral wave
but she will making the quad mags more likely to hit
hm?
steel coral
you'll be more likely to win vanguard fight so when she's right in front of the enemy backline the quad mags wont miss
floral wave
yeah thats true
steel coral
she's not accomplishing much with her preload
undone blade
you lose uss slot
76mm AA gun?
floral wave
as in main gun?
steel coral
floral wave
idk, might be worth maybe? idk the all out assault of laffey2/sumners
that beaver frontline and on dd feels soooo odd
undone blade
as in main gun?
This gun is US. I didn't craft it, so I'm not sure how I have it. LOL
neon bronze
Would
undone blade
It's actually very high DPS
neon bronze
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/779153702569246772.webp?size=48&name=omegapoggers&quality=lossless
floral wave
unless you can make your fleet shoot twice when enemy planes are in circle
undone blade
not when UR AA gun exists
Well, I'm a long ways away from that. Just suggesting it since you have to compromise on gear somewhere
neon bronze
unless you can make your fleet shoot twice when enemy planes are in circle
ez just use roomba spam
floral wave
no
neon bronze
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/779153702569246772.webp?size=48&name=omegapoggers&quality=lossless
floral wave
dont anger me beth or im gonna use seyd+hiryuu def next season
neon bronze
dont anger me beth or im gonna use seyd+hiryuu def next season
stryk playing
and i'm all in for it
lets go
undone blade
I guess if I run her, it'll probably be as a tank in 0lace of Anchor so she can have the nice beaver
floral wave
ill keep beaver on backline
neon bronze
i think i'll be running this instead
EVA gear on a DD sounds a bit counterintuitive but i'd rather use some other EVA gear if that is really the case
floral wave
sus
neon bronze
speed agenda on the fence atm, can't really check that fleet for myself since slacking on farm + oil concerns
sniping misaka atm
neon bronze
buoyant parrot
undone blade
Backline Recommendations?
So these are my highest tiered units. Who would you recommend I run?
My current plan is to go with Sara | Owari | Enty. I can level up and replace them with Richey | Warpite | Hiryuu pretty quickly as interim if you think it's worth it while I eventually develop an FDG | Kear | Hiryuu line or get a UR from a rerun.
Any better lineups for right now and to work twords?
Thanks and Happy New Year!
I do plan to get Independence at some point and I do have both foxes unleveled - but they didn't make the tier cut for favorites
junior trench
Right now you need to focus on leveling units up before getting serious with PvP
Hiryuu is obvious, get her leveled and retrofitted ASAP
Warspite isn't retrofitted, so she really isn't going to be seeing much use on your PvP team since the cost to retrofit her is high and requires you to get her special retrofit item (even then she's long since fallen out of favor).
Other than that, nothing I can say other than get FdG
I mean, technically Enterprise is good, but PvP is in a meta right now that is very unfriendly to CVs
undone blade
Warspite isn't retrofitted, so she really isn't going to be seeing much use on y...
Thanks. When I said I can replace Sara, Owari, and Enty with Richey, Warspite, and Hiryuu I obviously mean after they're retrofitting and leveled to 120. That will still be way before I have FdG and Kear ready to go
I'm just trying to put together a plan on what to level besides Hiryuu...
undone blade
Warspite isn't retrofitted, so she really isn't going to be seeing much use on y...
So it sounds like from your perspective, I'm better off skipping Warspite and running Hiryuu, Owari, Enty, even though CVs aren't meta?
Or should I put in another BB? If so, I could keep Owari and add Richey, Monarch, Nelson, Stella, Tosa, or GneisMeta
night widget
whats the best gear for anchorage and bismarck zwei??? can anyone help me
lusty hill
whats the best gear for anchorage and bismarck zwei??? can anyone help me
ancho want blue torps and manjuu and zwei want 457
you can check the guide in the pin for detailed gear
night widget
thanks bro it really help
neon bronze
chat do i run richelieu nj biszwei anchorage shimakaze juneau
stable dawn
finite fog
serene epoch
neon bronze
lusty hill
ancient raptor
valid oxide
velvet sapphire
holy shit I'm rank 1 for the next hour
scenic tendon
Imagine paying for this shitty app
Imagine paying for 6% bonus stats and boobs.
serene epoch
Imagine paying for 6% bonus stats and boobs.
Still better than paying for shitty discord updates
scenic tendon
Still better than paying for shitty discord updates
Sorry mate, xbox game pass is too good for my league pvp.
finite fog
Imagine paying for this shitty app
I took one for the team
undone blade
ancho want blue torps and manjuu and zwei want 457
Hmm. The spreadsheet actually says directly that Ancho "no longer prefers Manjuu..." What am I missing?
floral wave
thats because torp vanguards dont care about ancho and youd rather have it on your nj/kear
undone blade
I know. I'm just wondering why serenity is still recommending it to people?
fickle echo
Because serenity wants to make people's fleet weaker
undone blade
Savvy
fickle echo
floral wave
the guy didnt even mention other backlines than zwei
and that already means his fleet isnt too good
undone blade
I use Ancho. Can someone tell me in which situations I would use the four different launchers? I use her as main tank with Shima and Unzen/Laffii if that's relevant.
I've been using the blues, but was hoping to get by with the Triple 550s as they have almost as fast of a reload.
I assume the two magnetic options are for off-tank deployments?
fickle echo
Just use the blue ones, 3-2CV fleets aren't strong nowadays so most of fleets always have 2-3 enemy BBs and blue torps are good against them
serene epoch
I use Ancho. Can someone tell me in which situations I would use the four diffe...
@borgar how about to add here that 533 quad is good to block CV damage (and prob 2nd torp launch)?
undone blade
Thanks. Is the minor difference in reload really worth the DPS tradeoff? I understand with the two magnetic ones, as they're much slower. For what situation is the fast triple launcher on the sheet?
stable dawn
@borgar how about to add here that 533 quad is good to block CV damage (and prob...
that would've been relevant if the meta wasn't all Hiryuu and Triple BB/BBV
since Hiryuu just launches whenever she wants due to FC proc
and Kear's airstrike damage is
serene epoch
that would've been relevant if the meta wasn't all Hiryuu and Triple BB/BBV
Then why keep slow torps as "green"?
serene epoch
undone blade
Thanks. Is the minor difference in reload really worth the DPS tradeoff? I unde...
Sorry to nag... just wanting to understand when to use the purple 550?
When facing BBs without preloads?
neon bronze
Sorry to nag... just wanting to understand when to use the purple 550?
Old meta
Mafia times
undone blade
Is the blue Torp new gear?
undone blade
Same with purple
neon bronze
Yws
undone blade
I guess my question stands. If there's zero use case, why is it recommended
neon bronze
I guess my question stands. If there's zero use case, why is it recommended
probably for legacy
It does sync with Aquila's airstrikes
undone blade
I recommend removing legacy gear and just having blanks. It's confusing to newer players
If it's situational like Aquila synching, it should be red and noted
neon bronze
If it's situational like Aquila synching, it should be red and noted
Given how many people in the past had problems dying against Aquila fleets, including myself
I'd rather elect to keep it
Unless if there's better options, which is unlikely
undone blade
Then, maybe note it in the comments and make it red which = situational
Anyway, it's just a suggestion... I love and appreciate the sheet and the work that went into it
♥️
neon bronze
manjuu on nj <:Blessex:753375684126310451>
unfortunately, both Kearsarge and NJ still have Manjuu as situational
You should use Manjuu Helena, that's recommended in the tierlist
lusty hill
I don't remember ever struggling fighting helena fleet but that must be because they don't use manjuu on helena
stable dawn
people will always die to aquila, it's just a way of life. And when you ask for gear they'll be using quint mags on ancho or something
plus with the meta shifting right now, it's possible people will try to bring back aquila and shinano comps
which means purple and gold torp are useful again
brazen socket
plus with the meta shifting right now, it's possible people will try to bring ba...
Meta shifting? has laffey affected things that much?
stable dawn
seems like it, a lot of top players seem to be switching back to Monkey
myself included
stable dawn
yeah it looks like the consensus is to actually drop shima
JintM Laffii FortM is pretty wild
late heath
The K in monkey stand for Kashino
lusty hill
JintM Laffii FortM is pretty wild
why not drop jintm for laffey2
jintm shima fortunem
brazen socket
to be fair jintsuu m is kinda more reliable than shima
stable dawn
shima's preload torps get cleared by enemy fortms
it's better to have jintm survive the preloads and then nuke the backline on death
lusty hill
i see
brazen socket
it's better to have jintm survive the preloads and then nuke the backline on dea...
plus she would also buff laffeys strikers and laffeys barrage
lusty hill
so not necessarily to buff laffey2
grim solar
How's Laffey squared in PvP?
stable dawn
busted
scenic tendon
How's Laffey squared in PvP?
clueless and naive
she can eat big torps without any downside
grim solar
Oh wow she dunked Hiryuu down and jumped Fortune META to the top.
floral wave
time to read bagging guide so i can maybe get eos 
grim solar
What do you put on NJ when both admiralty and beaver badge are taken up by Musashi? Do I just run golden fire control and Manjuu?
floral wave
id rather use wnt than feather tbh
grim solar
On second thought I might just go with AvGas for the reveal and crash.
floral wave
or that yeah
grim solar
Fuck my Fortune META is at 79. 
ocean quest
time to read bagging guide so i can maybe get eos <:sadge:698210027298619392>
didnt you have a decent pace last season
floral wave
didnt you have a decent pace last season
floral wave
nah, thats my own fault
had to take 2x -2 in the end with 2 resets left because i woke up 10 minutes before end of the season
with 10/10
finite fog
neon bronze
valid oxide
I can get laffii up and running by the end of the month I think
buoyant parrot
valid oxide
Don't have kear yet though, I might switch to pr6 at some point since I need shimanto for pve
boreal comet
Shimanto when Guam and Laffey II
valid oxide
~~Shimanto when Guam and Laffey II~~
All 3 
boreal comet
valid oxide
I just need to get the lafii dupe then I just need cruise pass and monthly bulin
shell raft
Neighbor Reno that's a good one
vocal horizon
dudes what's the point in putting the most ass strong fleet in defense in pvp
I mean you have to keep in mind that you can't take off gear from those ships
finite fog
To be toxic
vocal horizon
aight
vocal horizon
I always didn't understand why someone would do this but couldn't fight back
but now I can
gimme the most ass strong fleet in pvp
with best gear
floral wave
what do you mean couldnt fight back
finite fog
There'll be a pinned message with a Google doc
vocal horizon
what do you mean couldnt fight back
couldn't beat them and just skipped
vocal horizon
you can, but it affects on your ships in defence pvp right
floral wave
no
if you take the gear off at 0:01
it stays with gear until 0:59
even if the gear is not there
vocal horizon
yeah and don't put it back it's refreshes
floral wave
just dont forget to put it back
or just dont take it off
most of the time you can use pvp gear in pve and be fine
so its not like you have to take it off
or the flex option, have 2 same ships, keep one with pvp gear all the time, second with pve
torpid shuttle
who's that elf BC
winged depot
who's that elf BC
not a BC but think her name is sevastopol or something
torpid shuttle
she's medium wtf
their sense of bigness got Azur Laned
is katsuragi really just ugly in all her skins
stable dawn
her skins have slowly fixed her face being 
with the more recent ones looking closer to normal
wheat torrent
Laffey Mid or Off? I'm not sure which is better. Does it matter?
neon bronze
if you take the gear off at 0:01
interesting, in my case it's a bit later
remember changing gears at x:05 then the game updated it while i was not looking
this was before eos
neon bronze
Laffey Mid or Off? I'm not sure which is better. Does it matter?
all the fleets i've seen except mine has Laff-ii mid
Or tank slot
wheat torrent
all the fleets i've seen except mine has Laff-ii mid
what are you running?
neon bronze
don't have her lvl 120+ yet, can't rly use her out myself
neon bronze
what are you running?
atm it's hiryuu flag - nj - kear - jintM - shima - fortM
valid oxide
Is manjuu lafii funny enough to use for entertainment value
wheat torrent
atm it's hiryuu flag - nj - kear - jintM - shima - fortM
so you're not using laffey at all
brazen socket
so you're not using laffey at all
To be fair some players dont have the resources atm for lafii since shes a jumpscare ur
finite fog
Or tank slot
Tank slot laff2 has anti synergy with fortm
wheat torrent
To be fair some players dont have the resources atm for lafii since shes a jumps...
I dont think that’s chicharonlover’s issue.
torpid shuttle
wow this for real
neon bronze
doing 12-2 farm atm
neon bronze
neon bronze
damn pvp sheet popping off
omegapoggers
swap hiryuu with musashi and enjoy good fights
brazen socket
boom laffey2
We are still not spared by jintsuus torps
We're in some weird hybrid of Torp Stall meta
Its supposed to be an oxymoron
But somehow it isnt
stable dawn
it's like real life. Everyone wants nukes but there's no open warfare between nuclear countries.
So we all pretend like it's stall meta despite using JintM
just have to accept the reality that we live in a post-JintM world
ocean quest
the industrial revolution jintm release and its consequences to modern society
brazen socket
Will we ever recover from post-jintsuum depression
stable dawn
neon bronze
Will we ever recover from post-jintsuum depression
dev release UR version of anchorage kit and stall will reign once more
feral orbit
by the time i finish laffey2 and kearsarge, new meta is going to be out
stable dawn
torps ignore your hypertank vg and instakill your backline anyway
the only way to really counter torps is a preload backline shield
like lusty but better
late heath
Wait til new preload comp (tm)
late heath
UR Nagato + UR Kashino
finite fog
fickle echo
Looks like this is the part where the meta changes and I destroy Kaoru's fleet again
stable dawn
damn, lost musashi and still walked through them
brazen socket
Do these seem fine enough?
I'm gonna work on to get WNT finally since Im pretty much running out of stuff to level plus bulins disturbing me
brazen socket
don't have WNT yet?
Look i've been slacking on all of my collection gears
plus, guam and laffey are big exp pack eaters.
brazen socket
musashi aug btw
oh right they should get swords
finite fog
Other than avgas, looks good
bright mauve
With the new vanguard of Anchor-jintsu-laffey, should I run Shimakaze's tear on jintsu or just drop the item entirely?
neon bronze
With the new vanguard of Anchor-jintsu-laffey, should I run Shimakaze's tear on ...
you can use pearl jintsuu meta, it is situational after all. The other two are relatively tankier
Or you can ditch pearl onfrontline and use Pearl NJ because torpmemes delete backlines
but torpmemes about to die since fortM can delete torps sometimes
bright mauve
Hm, I'll keep that in mind and try some things. tysm
bright mauve
Well I don't have AFCR so I run beaver on NJ, tear doesn't sound like that bad of a call there
ocean quest
valid oxide
Where does pearl get used on joint laf fort
fickle echo
Only one of those ships dies on the first lethal hit
torpid shuttle
so it is fortm
oh because jintm's invincibility is
doesnt proc it
honestly alot of time
my jintm still die before fortm
because offtank doesnt tank much torp
is this a jintm fortm laf2 order with fortm pearl
boreal comet
joint
brazen socket
So oxytorp go bye bye?
torpid shuttle
So oxytorp go bye bye?
on who
floral wave
aquila, nj, musashi, ancho, shima, laffey2
vocal horizon
laffey2 
floral wave
can use harbin/noshiro/juneau instead of laffey if you dont have it
thats a pretty old comp thats not even full
shouldnt have issues with what youve got
prime gull
What equipment are you using?
You should be fine by using the standard fast firing guns + survival gear.
prime gull
Yeah, you'll be fine
vocal horizon
they get overpowered quite often
vocal horizon
isn't
floral wave
and agir goes middle if anything
prime gull
Yeah, percy gets especially countered hard by ancho
vocal horizon
always thought she's strong
prime gull
She was, but Uni retrofit outclasses her
fickle echo
Juno doesn't even uses NJ or Shima because he doesn't want to
floral wave
based
prime gull
I didnt use Shima for pvp, only started using her when fortune Jin meta started
floral wave
you started using her when her counter appeared?
floral wave
thats pretty based if intentional
floral wave
ew
prime gull
You want me to delete it?
fickle echo
with what I have
Do you not have Jintsuu META? Right now she's the strongest offensive vanguard ship so not having her puts you at disadvantage
vocal horizon
Do you not have Jintsuu META? Right now she's the strongest offensive vanguard s...
I have all METAs but they all are in waiting room
fickle echo
Level her up ASAP, same about Laffey II
Jintsuu META/Laffey II/Fortune META is the best vanguard right now
floral wave
You want me to delete it?
ah, no, i meant wanting shima to suffer
and it doesnt seem like jintsuu is going anywhere anytime soon
vocal horizon
on my way to farm 100k coins 
prime gull
ah, no, i meant wanting shima to suffer <:EntyLUL:522425982758682637>
Wanna know why i dont like shima?
No reason, i dont even know why
floral wave
prime gull
vocal horizon
Jintsuu META/Laffey II/Fortune META is the best vanguard right now
How do you know 
It takes time to lvl up her skills
she's very new
you want to say someone already 10/10/10 her?
zenith lantern
Probably, I have 10/10/9 in 2hrs and I didn’t unlock her day 1
floral wave
theres also gold books
and he knows because hes part of the people that shape the meta
oh wait
i thought were on jintsuu
when talking about skills
zenith lantern
But you also don’t need skills at level 10 to use her
vocal horizon
for meta you have books for insta exp
vocal horizon
maybe laffey lvlin up slow because I do azur one time in day
vocal horizon
so I have to use blue to lvl up red skills
floral wave
no, dont do that
vocal horizon
why
floral wave
just wait till you get red
and lvl another skill in meantime
you also have purple and blue books
that you can convert to gold
vocal horizon
i don't have yellow and blue skills to lvl up
I lvled up all
and only red are left
floral wave
did you already use up all purple and blue books too?
vocal horizon
That's not a good idea I think
I play once in a day and maybe twice
That would just decrease the effectiveness
floral wave
thats why you convert them
into gold ones
click them and theres a combine or whatever its called option
floral wave
ah well
if you spam all ships that tends to happen
im at like 30-50 each rainbow books and 200-600 gold ones
vocal horizon
do you collect ships or throw them away after getting it
I tend to keep all gold ships even if it sh t
floral wave
i keep golds
i keep all good fleet tech ones until i 120 them aswell
keep all retros until i can retro and then trash if its not good
but yeah a lot of them are still at skills lvl 1
pseudo copper
well quyet is just step mom
Quyet is your step mom?
brazen socket
Quyet is your step mom?
Quyet is everybodys step mom
boreal comet
What are you doing step son
boreal comet
I'll push you in and turn it on
ancient raptor
😱
undone blade
PLEASE VOTE
1️⃣ Ancho, Juneau, Laffii "Turtle"
2️⃣ Laffii, Shima, Juneau "Stall"
3️⃣ Ancho, Shima, Laffii "Rock"
finite fog
Need backline ships
torpid shuttle
1 just doesnt work in meta
undone blade
Need backline ships
WIP... Assume Richey, Warspite, Hiryuu until I can get FdG & Jersey done
undone blade
1 just doesnt work in meta
I figure #3 will win since Stall and Turtle are listed as alternatives to "The Rock" which is actually on the main tab
.
But crowd sourcing is always fun
teal ermine
I would do 3 if you have no others raised yet, if just for the fact that those 3 ships are valuable outside pvp too. If I had everything maxed, I might do 2
My vg is laf2/shima/FortM because I missed JintM
undone blade
I have Laffii MLB and skills at like 8 and level at about 110. Shima is done. Unzen is done. I have the copies and retro prints for Juneau, but I haven't started her.
Oh, Ancho is done too
undone blade
JintsuuM is 2ndLimit.. 😢
undone blade
so its useless
If it's useless why is it recommended on the worksheet? Figured it must be better than my current line of Anchor, Shima, Unzen
Anyway, it's a fun discussion. Little Enterprise is finally going to be getting some good back lines, so it would be interesting to see what is "Meta" on the newest server vs the mature servers.
teal ermine
Go 3 or try 2 out once Juneau is raised but it takes some practice to figure out her timing
finite fog
Only real way is to test it out tbh
undone blade
Vote here for those just joining... Thx
#pvp message
finite fog
According to the Lil e residents, it's wildly different without fortune meta
floral wave
If it's useless why is it recommended on the worksheet? Figured it must be bett...
i mean it is still better than unzen but i have no clue why juneau mid
undone blade
I imagine most people will run Laffii and likely Shima now
floral wave
jintsuu shima laffey probably
or just keep using harbin because theres nothing to stop the torps anyway
lusty hill
**PLEASE VOTE**
1️⃣ Ancho, Juneau, Laffii *"Turtle"*
2️⃣ Laffii, Shima, Junea...
do you have jintsuu meta or fortune meta?
floral wave
faster wins vs more safety
finite fog
do you have jintsuu meta or fortune meta?
Lil e 
undone blade
jintsuu shima laffey probably
When did the server start? I started the game the last week of the Unzen event and I didn't finish JinnMet
lusty hill
I see
teal ermine
Join the JintM will come dossiers sooner than later cope train. I saved you a seat 
undone blade
uhm, like april or may?
Yeah then most decent players will have her. I would have with just one more week
undone blade
Join the JintM will come dossiers sooner than later cope train. I saved you a se...
We're probably waiting like 18-24 months
@teal ermine when did you start?
teal ermine
2019, I just made mistakes
undone blade
2019, I just made mistakes <:Sadge:757500586777116752>
LOL... No worries. I meant when did you start your Little Enterprise account
teal ermine
Oh I do not have one, I'm on Washington. Sorry if I made it seem otherwise
undone blade
For sure. In a couple years, this will be just for visiting my ship girls. 🤣 Might as well keep them in the same place
ocean quest
Join the JintM will come dossiers sooner than later cope train. I saved you a se...
it will just be this yeart
floral wave
time to leave overcapping in 2023
zenith lantern
According to the Lil e residents, it's wildly different without fortune meta
I think the opposite, as soon as Shima came out it felt just the same as playing on the older servers, it's why I stopped playing my Little E account. FortuneM isn't really widespread on the older servers either.
pseudo copper
Even Amagae getting her more
boreal comet
Fortune is a plague
steel coral
Fortune is a vaccine
pseudo copper
Fortune is a vaccine
No you are
steel coral
stable dawn
zenith lantern
interesting because she's basically everywhere in high ladder on washington
Most of Lexi are still using Ancho and no JintM even. Just a handful outside the top players are using JintM and Fortune. It makes most battles even more of a surefire win than usual
stable dawn
Most of Lexi are still using Ancho and no JintM even. Just a handful outside the...
that's pretty wild. On washy by like day 10 or so, it's just WNT HYMEN Anti-Torp or a total meme/waifu defense. There is no in between.
Mafia is gone. The only mafia user left is Envy
zenith lantern
We still have some Mafia
whole salmon
Most of Lexi are still using Ancho and no JintM even. Just a handful outside the...
There’s plenty tho no?
Jintsuu Meta certainly is used by non top players
Heck I even just rolled one myself
zenith lantern
There's some yeah but not that many compared to Ancho
torpid shuttle
is Jim alone still enough torp dmg to discourage triple BB
torpid shuttle
yea i see plenty of meta fleets later in season in washy
torpid shuttle
idk how much I overcapped but apparently I did
whole salmon
is Jim alone still enough torp dmg to discourage triple BB
The solution is just to run triple BB
whole salmon
Yes
Regardless of what happens
Laffey 2 provides enough AA when combined with either Vanguard or Kearsarge
torpid shuttle
fuck me, i need another +13 457 
whole salmon
Making all other CVs literally useless
Aside from Hiryuu guarantee
But on offense, you can switch out Hiryuu without any problem and still maintain consistency with Laffey 2 in fleet
whole salmon
fuck me, i need another +13 457 <:HakuCry:1023947293663174657>
Vanguard fleet you can get away with an MK4
Honestly you can get away with an MK4 on a lot of fleets
Musashi runs blue gun
So you only need 1 457 on the last BB which is most likely NJ
torpid shuttle
not kearsarge?
whole salmon
If you are running Kear NJ and doesn’t have a second 457 then you can get away with an MK4 on NJ
torpid shuttle
so would it be musa kear vanny or where does nj go
whole salmon
Musashi NJ Vanguard
Musashi NJ Kear
Vanguard and Kear together is not necessary
Either of them with Laffey is sufficient to handle any CV
torpid shuttle
you mean you're putting sextuple or 57mm on vanny?
torpid shuttle
kear has fighters, laffey is aa
but why are you saying the vanny fleet deals with CV
that's just lafii soloing
stable dawn
just stack damage and blow up hiryuu before she does anything
ez
since neither side can win vg fight immediately, your backline has a huge advantage if you have more damage than the enemy's
whole salmon
Vanguard is more than sufficient with AA regardless of what gear you put on her
Just run standard comp, you will win the frontline fight with Laffey alive at full HP
Then the fight is over, the end
No CV in current Meta can dare take down a Laffey 2
stable dawn
you mean both sides' vgs die except for laffey
and the laffey 2s just duel each other for the next 30s
whole salmon
Your Laffey will win if you have Vanguard
prime gull
E vs E in early pvp flashbacks
whole salmon
whole salmon
Attacker advantage makes you win
torpid shuttle
oh
whole salmon
Or you pull a gigabrain 3000 iq strat like me and run blue gun on Laffey
torpid shuttle
laffii makes atker advantage much more consistent(?)
stable dawn
nah she's just a way of stalling without using heals
stable dawn
in the old days we used Juneau to prolong a stall by healing vgs before they died
stable dawn
now laffey II is so tanky she doesn't need heals
whole salmon
No Shimakaze is ever going to out last a Laffey
stable dawn
because you'd have to give up fortune or jintm
stable dawn
and neither of them are worth giving up
whole salmon
Fortune is there to keep your backline alive, not for Laffey
whole salmon
Laffey doesn’t need to be kept alive, she’s the tankiest ship in frontline pvp currently
She would be alive regardless
If backline doesn’t die to torp then you can switch that Fortune out for a Juneau
ocean quest
nightmare
stable dawn
could also try Laffey II/Shima/FortM
whole salmon
But currently torp still damages backline too much
whole salmon
The full stall is Juneau Laffey Fortune
With Pre retro Juneau with Manjuu and Pearl
But that frontline has literally no damage
stable dawn
whole salmon
CN did test it on def
ocean quest
But that frontline has literally no damage
shinano time
whole salmon
- Hymen Anti torp vs Pre retro: 68%
- MSN vs Pre retro: 67%
However Pre retro comp weakness was evident
Step Mom Laffey Anti torp vs Pre retro: 95%
stable dawn
floral wave
if vanny or kear works
torpid shuttle
is this one black torp meta
floral wave
and if laffey shima fort might work too
torpid shuttle
only jim wear black torp?
floral wave
would seyd felix work 
whole salmon
Fortune and Laffey doesn’t need black torp
Their torp damage is low enough that they wouldn’t do anything meaningful with it
And it will be wiped by Fortune anyways
Jintsuu is there for backline snipes, that’s why she is damage geared
ocean quest
jintsuu can also skip blacktorp maybe, most of the times her first salfo gets wiped by fort
whole salmon
Basically Jintsuu is there to do backline snipes, Fortune is there to protect the backline, Laffey is there to stay alive enough after both Jintsuu and Fortune are dead
torpid shuttle
not so surprised
undone blade
With Pre retro Juneau with Manjuu and Pearl
So I shouldn't retro my Juneau?
whole salmon
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1fK41147Yc/?spm_id_from=333.999.list.card_archi...
Just that in this very particular case, you shouldn’t
stable dawn
whole salmon
Not the first time this has happened
stable dawn
I blame level 1 anchorage red skill
whole salmon
Fate 4 vs Fate 5 FDG was also a debate
undone blade
Which gun should I use?
whole salmon
Since Fate 5 FDG loses the ability to spot CVs through burb
Level 1 red skill Ancho is also another one yeah
There’s plenty of specific cases where stuff just works unconventionally
Remember old damage reduction calc where you can severely scuff UvH’s off flag damage?
undone blade
I blame level 1 anchorage red skill
I've heard about that. Unfortunately I've already leveled it. I need to read the skill, but nutshell, why's lvl 1 better?
whole salmon
Until the devs redid the calc and UvH off flag is preferred
whole salmon
I've heard about that. Unfortunately I've already leveled it. I need to read t...
Normally, even with the fastest torps, Anchorage would proc smoke after BB fires
undone blade
Which gun should I use?
The gun choices are for Anchorage. I don't have any of the recommended guns. Line for now is Ancho/Shima/Laffey
whole salmon
However, with a level 1 red skill, there’s a chance for the barrage skill to fail, leading to a -3 sec on smoke proc
Leading to Anchorage having smoke up before enemy BBs fire
undone blade
Ahhh.. I get it. Thx
whole salmon
That’s why level 1 red skill Anchorage was quite popular for a time
undone blade
That’s why level 1 red skill Anchorage was quite popular for a time
How so? I assume most had already developed her? Were people actually making new accounts just for that meta?
stable dawn
Remember old damage reduction calc where you can severely scuff UvH’s off flag d...
1 damage uvh was peak pvp
fickle echo
And it will be wiped by Fortune anyways
They took 80% of Jintsuu's hp and the damage came before the slash
Actually that's only Fortune's torps since Laffey's went past her lmao
torpid shuttle
Vanguard and Kear together is not necessary
not necessary but is it bad?
undone blade
The gun choices are for Anchorage. I don't have any of the recommended guns. L...
Any opinions on which gun? Fires so slow, penetrating AP ammo may be better, but with Laffey in the Van as more a stall, the fight may be longer and use the normal ammo? Please help me understand how to evaluate. Thx.
Seems it's similar to this comment regarding the Hindenburg vs Unzen gun choices:
"When used as Main Tank, she is best using the Hindenburg gun due to likely never living long enough to fire a second shot, preferring AP to pierce through the multiple enemy vanguard ships. If used in the Off Tank position against torp comps, it is better to use the Unzen gun as its raw DPS against light armour is significantly higher."
I'm thinking the twin 234 will be better at killing Laffiis...
torpid shuttle
anchorage wont even assist killing laffii
whole salmon
Seems it's similar to this comment regarding the Hindenburg vs Unzen gun choices...
Doesn’t matter, neither of them are good enough to do it
Mechanic of Laffey makes it so that she’s essentially immune to burst
whole salmon
not necessary but is it bad?
Kear is not an NJ replacement in all situations, keep that in mind
torpid shuttle
yea NJ has more surface damage
undone blade
Thx. Then I suppose the penetrating AP is better...
undone blade
Actually, I also have this HE+ gun. At least this one may start a fire.
neon bronze
fuck me, i need another +13 457 <:HakuCry:1023947293663174657>
nah u just need musashi gun/s, +13 457 and +13 mk4
if you can shell out the 2nd +13 457, then go ahead
musashi-less 3 BB fleets do need the 2nd +13 457
undone blade
Only when your opponent has +13. 😜
pseudo copper
Does +13 matter in PvP? <:NagaThonk:721896665174376539>
Why wouldn’t it?
rancid star
Why wouldn’t it?
Thought +13 only affected OpSi? Or is that not what OPS Damage Boost means? (I'm still kinda new) 
pseudo copper
+11-13 is a modifier increase
For planes would be plane hp and weapons damage increase
Modifier increase yields 18% increased damage
rancid star
Modifier increase yields 18% increased damage
Oh wow 
I guess I should start making my 457s +13 then
Thank you 
rancid star
I see I've just avoided making my main guns +13 since I thought it only affected OpSi 
pseudo copper
OpSi buff is p much meaningless in comparison to that
rancid star
Yeah, I actually didn't notice the damage modifier increase
trail temple
@light crystal Your boy back
https://youtu.be/t9jnyYNOykc?si=g0JXajlcaJF5r9Ol
ocean quest
light crystal
Interesting, already has his maxed. He must've speedran getting and training her. Need like one or so more days to max the third skill.
pseudo copper
Have you tried not losing?
torpid shuttle
their backline died while mine was full hp
but laffii still won vang fight
what a meme
light crystal
Might be time to retire the Ancho. Will see, got mixed feelings about that.
ocean quest
but laffii still won vang fight
did happen sometimes with anchorage
trail temple
Interesting, already has his maxed. He must've speedran getting and training her...
Did you level left to right?
light crystal
late heath
Have you tried not losing?
A serving of Kashino milk will turn any losing situation into a winning one
pseudo copper
A serving of Kashino milk will turn any losing situation into a winning one
I drink Kashino milk 24/7, why I never lose
brazen socket
<@319995587644751872> Your boy back
https://youtu.be/t9jnyYNOykc?si=g0JXajlcaJF5...
Has jp not discovered fortmet tech
neon bronze
Has jp not discovered fortmet tech
from a reliable source of information
trail temple
Has jp not discovered fortmet tech
Oh, they have it
brazen socket
Oh, they have it
Just not as widespread?
trail temple
Just not as widespread?
||JP testing is a meme||
whole salmon
laffii on a shit fleet won the vanguard fight against me
Ik it is against weak fleet but standard Laffey 2 experience
Laffey against a CV is most definitely a win
Laffey could solo a BB if she has high health after frontline fight
She might even be able to solo 2 BBs if she’s lucky
brazen socket
At first they wanted to kill torp meta now they just want to kill mafia
Aquila joins shimakaze in the graveyard
whole salmon
Aquila is already dead like a year ago
People were just huffing copium to keep her going until Jintsuu Meta era
brazen socket
Mm yeah but now shes in hell
whole salmon
Then after that, it was ultra copium status of Aquila
brazen socket
The age of preload is officially finished I guess
Well
It already was
Now even torp.preload is gone
whole salmon
Against a stronger fleet this time, ofc I would lose if the fight continue due to Shinano
But it just demonstrate how stupidly tanky Laffey can be
If you have Laffey and the opponent doesn’t, chances are you are winning the frontline fight
brazen socket
Honestly, the only way we could get rid of laffey is if they develop an anti-laffey ship that has massive lasers
We got the blueprint with gridman
ocean quest
just kill the backliners
astral cloak
seem laffey II are strong
its has been while since im active doing exercise, is there any tierlist about pvp ship?
lusty hill
its has been while since im active doing exercise, is there any tierlist about p...
there's tierlist for fleet on the pin
and yes laffey II is very strong
astral cloak
man.. seeing jintsu meta always came as main tank in any form of fleet, make me regret.. why i didn't grind for her..
light crystal
If you have Laffey and the opponent doesn’t, chances are you are winning the fro...
Ancho + Juneau has decent chances.
The main thing about Laffey is she's somewhat selfish, no smoke
pseudo copper
Smh selfish bitch
light crystal
The added value of Shimakaze, she can MVP quite a bit, so you're treated to saucy Skins when she does 😭
So Laffey is recommended to be ran mid or third eh, guess makes sense if you want to maximize VG uptime 
floral wave
The added value of Shimakaze, she can MVP quite a bit, so you're treated to sauc...
its a 50:50 mvp chance against jintsuu and theres also backliners
light crystal
The poor man's Laffy II, 
boreal comet
Nanoda
pseudo copper
r there any alternatives to laff-ii
According to google you are gonna die without her
boreal comet
Can confirm
neon bronze
According to google you are gonna die without her
boreal comet
I am google
ancient raptor
Hi google
lusty hill
how to pvp
floral wave
should be easy since shima no longer an issue?
lusty hill
I can eos
hidden robin
man Jintm's torp dmg is ridiculous
supple solstice
How to pvp
lusty hill
pvp = pizza vs pizza
marble reef
Alternatives to jintsuu meta?
lusty hill
Alternatives to jintsuu meta?
Check the sheet in pin for alternative
torpid shuttle
yall rather manjuu kear or nj in musa kear nj?
ill also probably just do +10 457 kear and +13 457 nj
foggy whale
NJ
finite fog
Kear, and stack eva on nj
serene epoch
NJ and vang>kear
finite fog
I don't have vanguard 
fickle echo
Zoomer
torpid shuttle
i have vang but dont want to swap her gear
kear and NJ can stay locked on pvp gear
torpid shuttle
brazen socket
ewww no fortune meta oath
stable dawn
oh hey that's tyo
muted root
how do i counter anchorage in pvp except using another anchorage?
stable dawn
shima only launches preload torps and then usually dies before she can launch again
try JintM or Harbin
muted root
try JintM or Harbin
what or who is that
torpid shuttle
jintsuu meta from last showdown
harbin from pr5
go into the guide in pins to find out more
muted root
okay thanks
stable dawn
wheat anvil
torpid shuttle
so does paper actually beat rock
actually beat scissors
how real is the trichotomy
pine pollen
scissors are unbeatable in AL
neon bronze
rustic fog
torpid shuttle
omg hi
autumn quest
Why instead of going to rank 1586th i get to the rank of 2258th ?
Is there some trick to go faster ?
Idk
autumn quest
its based on points
Do you think it's doable to get to T10 with 8 days left ?
floral wave
it might be hard to get aotn with this score
not sure tbh
you lost quite a fair share of points already
also just getting to t10 isnt enough
you need to have a minimum score
AND top10
zenith tundra
Do you think it's doable to get to T10 with 8 days left ?
you are anywhere from 100 to 150 pts behind people who just did all attempts. there is like no way to get those back even with sandbagging. would just go next season and forget about this one (just do attempts for the merit)
autumn quest
you are anywhere from 100 to 150 pts behind people who just did all attempts. th...
Sandbagging ?
Also sure i go for next season
My laffey will be level 125 by then
torpid shuttle
yea i dont know if you can even get rear admiral
zenith tundra
Sandbagging ?
getting extra score points by waiting for opponents to use their attempts before attacking aka sandbagging
comp matters for not losing but you can always reset fights and refresh list to get easier opponents. using all attempts without losing or forgetting them is more important that what you actually use to fight in pvp
autumn quest
getting extra score points by waiting for opponents to use their attempts before...
I see so i cant even waste a single day
late heath
have to sandbag every season like me
zenith tundra
I see so i cant even waste a single day
if you want top 10 then it's much easier to get it by using all attempts. with sandbagging people have reached top 10 even with like 7-10 attempts lost but it's just easier to use attempts normally then just trying that
vale minnow
Do you think it's doable to get to T10 with 8 days left ?
very unlikely
remember you are going against ppl who no life pvp
vale minnow
so he js wants aotn?
floral wave
if it was second week it would be definitely impossible
floral wave
i didnt get aotn with 2586 last season
vale minnow
i only reached Vice adml cuz it was at that time where i reflected on my life choices
floral wave
i mean just aotn is whatever if you can afford to not miss any exercise
dont even need to bag
torpid shuttle
yea just rush without minuses
stable dawn
<@519961330506268683> <:feelsKMSMan:497259897432440842>
oh yeah Jatii's fleet is quite tough. It took me by surprise earlier this season.
It's actually what I used as a control for testing against. Long live Monkey.
🐒
light crystal
||Cringe comp names reflect poorly on the cringe player that came up with them 
||
lusty hill
monke conspiracy
pseudo copper
remember you are going against ppl who no life pvp
There isn’t more than 10 a server unless it is Amagi or Avrora
ocean quest
remember you are going against ppl who no life pvp
the people who do dont care about aotn in the middle of the season tho
vale minnow
There isn’t more than 10 a server unless it is Amagi or Avrora
arent u in amagi
i remmeber seeing u in multiple leaderboards
finite fog
Can confirm, deathkt sleeps
neon bronze
muted ferry
HELP! That's what I'm currently in my possession, and I'm reaping the failures
muted ferry
have you tried checking pins
I will send you the configuration on a private message. You'll have to wait a while
ocean quest
no
neon bronze
HELP! That's what I'm currently in my possession, and I'm reaping the failures
Show dock
serene epoch
With fleets above 17500 power, you don't stand a chance
Fleet power does not matter that much in pvp
wicked surge
Fleet power does not matter that much in pvp
Lmao the 5k Musashis clapping 7k
serene epoch
Fleets over 18 500k are likely have bad equipment actually
wicked surge
Fleets over 18 500k are likely have bad equipment actually
That's not that true
serene epoch
wicked surge
Keary Nj Musashi should be around 18.5k
serene epoch
Yes. Around, but not much higher
wicked surge
Anything over 19k is def troll tho
ocean quest
🇿 🚩
serene epoch
Anything with UVH is a free win tho
wicked surge
That vanguard is already gonna get blasted , it doesn't matter
serene epoch
Even if good frontline. UvH's off-flag dmg so low, basically 6 vs 5 fight
pseudo copper
Anything over 19k is def troll tho <:EssexWheeze:1113921620277461033>
My backline hits 19k though
pseudo copper
wtf full +13 gear
Am fossilized officially now
stable dawn
ocean quest
well but we were not talking about troll comps
ocean quest
anything works
ocean quest
ocean quest
oh could be
ocean quest
trail temple
You can make a proper comp with equips be just over 19k
I think it's like 19.1 or something
Fleet tech does adjust your values a bit
20k atm is definitely trolling
pseudo copper
19.2k rn for me and yeah did check got max fleet tech
boreal comet
19.2k rn for me and yeah did check got max fleet tech
Nice but when are you getting max rizz tech
pseudo copper
Nice but when are you getting max rizz tech
My rizz is beyond max
boreal comet
finite fog
it works on sandy
Not anymore 
ocean quest
stable dawn
pseudo copper
<@385753846275768320> did people on lil e skip xp grinds on pr ships
Protocore better
Xp grind is just 3m lmao
ocean quest
well but gotta raise useless ass ships yk
but yeah skipping did sound not too smart
but i wanted to make sure cus i was curious
pseudo copper
3m xp is just 1m xp on 3 ships which is nothing
ocean quest
that is true
ocean quest
yeah it was 2.1 for 100-120
floral wave
you need to raise useless ships for tech points to unlock anyway
ocean quest
you need to raise useless ships for tech points to unlock anyway
yeah i did forget that as well