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#pvp
whole salmon
scenic tendon
Im sitting at 5.6k meta points
whole salmon
Actually nvm 2 days
scenic tendon
ocean quest
i think i overcapped some of those i just got 20k 
ocean quest
with the power of jintsuu meta I get rank 1 this season 
scenic tendon
ocean quest
ill just need some voodoo spells to put borgar to sleep
neon bronze
i wish there's not more than 3 META torpmeme users this seasom
ocean quest
or to also get a magical non rigged +9 on 1050 set
neon bronze
Then again, i not playing pvp 4 a while. Needa do some daily META fights
Beating up women feels good
ocean quest
scenic tendon
I'd just spend 40 oils for the second fight instead of trying to think about the comps.
ocean quest
have you read some of this channel in the past month or so 🤔
light crystal
u expect me to read this chat? damn
ocean quest
light crystal
whole salmon
huh, u intend to try her in pvp?
Me and Ari already used her since a week ago
ocean quest
theres a buncha vids testing her already without mlb
light crystal
Me and Ari already used her since a week ago
ok, how r u cooking with her then. she didnt stand out as pvp material to me
whole salmon
ok, how r u cooking with her then. she didnt stand out as pvp material to me
Strong, with more potential than what I am using her currently
light crystal
how
light crystal
So how would you run her. Ancho, and then Shima and her?
light crystal
brazen socket
<:Ehhssex:611004140046254080>
Jintsuu meta provides very high trp buffs and spews out shit tons of torpedos
Her invul double launch is stupid strong
light crystal
Ancho
brazen socket
Harbin is the safest option imo
whole salmon
No
light crystal
🐒
light crystal
whole salmon
But it could also be Noshiro, Jintsuu kai, Unzen
brazen socket
The best defense with modern triple torp is fucking killing everything
whole salmon
If you don't have Harbin that is
brazen socket
Torp meme kills ancho because of torp timings
whole salmon
There's still possibility even with stuff like Naganami or Ayanami for those that missed Shimakaze
But Shima is still very important overall
The main investment is coming from the gear requirements is needed to run the comp as you need a lot of plates for black torp and oxy torp enhancements
light crystal
Time to run WNT
brazen socket
WNT only delays the inevitable
whole salmon
Yukikaze's Flagship cover + VV's 20% torp damage reduction + WNT on a Musashi
And Musashi still gets 1 shotted
brazen socket
WNT or Not your musashi will be standing on one leg
light crystal
whole salmon
There are things that can stop it
Such as ships with abilities to clear torps
Like Fortune Meta for example
brazen socket
If you genuinely disregard with how stupid this comp is it has a 90%+ wr vs msn across three variations of the comp
whole salmon
@light crystal Yes
stable dawn
WNT is also countered by Vanguard's debuff lol
brazen socket
Fortune meta meta
whole salmon
He ran triple torp last season and got top 1
Then immediately started raising Fortune Meta
brazen socket
All thats left to do for devs to fuck up torp meme and probably shima is release someone with fortune meta skill but 20x stronger
brazen socket
Inb4 they release fortune meta but her torps are stupid as well
brazen socket
ocean quest
redemption arc
light crystal
whole salmon
Jintsuu Meta just needs mlb
whole salmon
<:murmpleased:1086727494599704669>
Smh
Why tf did you have a Fortune Meta raised anyways
brazen socket
Waifu
whole salmon
Fortune Meta is secret tech
light crystal
brazen socket
Will aoste be dominating the meta with his fortune meta + kearsarge grand combo wombo
light crystal
also, forttune is canadian, technically, so 
whole salmon
Aldarn is testing triple torp soon as well
But he's running it with triple invul backline
brazen socket
How long do you guys think it will take before devs add new auxes/ships against torp meta
stable dawn
they're already here, we just need to find the counters
brazen socket
Inb4 new ur spawns in torp shield for all ships in the fleet with blocking 3 each
stable dawn
brazen socket
brazen socket
they're already here, we just need to find the counters
Yeah but we need even better, moar stronger
whole salmon
brazen socket
So the next time torp meme comes back its even more stupid
whole salmon
I switched to something more traditional
brazen socket
And the vicious cycle repears
whole salmon
Ignore the Fortune
brazen socket
Repeats
whole salmon
brazen socket
Folding and eating itself
whole salmon
Plasma said Musashi is more consistent
brazen socket
Until we go back to sodak meta.
whole salmon
So I’m switching Musashi back in for the time being
brazen socket
Sodak + Washy + Enty solos
light crystal
he has to fight weirdo bisco copers on the way up
just hotswap to ancho, no problemo
whole salmon
Tbf Ancho's gear is unchanged
Same goes for SHinano
And Juneau
At worst, quick switch to MSN
stable dawn
don't need to quick switch to MSN if Kear counters it through reveal
light crystal
||i never would've thought my topless canadian bote would be useful in pvp|| CALCULATED 
fickle echo
ocean quest
see washington is coming back to life now that ive started playing pvp
light crystal
What DD gun would she use anyway? fastest rof blue, or can u go for dmg?
light crystal
stable dawn
What DD gun would she use anyway? fastest rof blue, or can u go for dmg?
not a single +13?
light crystal
Oh, just for training, nvm then
whole salmon
I didn't expect Fortune of all ships to be relevant
That's why I didn't bother raising her
light crystal
Eff is not terrible.
ocean quest
1 gun tho
ocean quest
If u use Fortune meta, let me see for reference
shes there to counter torpedo comps, it will take some time before they get popular, probably
because outside countering torp comps, shes useless
light crystal
ocean quest
ai generated artwork confirmed
light crystal
stable dawn
stable dawn
light crystal
fortune META gear on video
yeah, just for 4 Speed? no thanks.
ocean quest
boiler for 8 speed then
ocean quest
that too
honest moon
What DD gun would she use anyway? fastest rof blue, or can u go for dmg?
Fckin madlad. So many rainbow dd guns
light crystal
So is that circular black slash fortune or jintsuu? and is that what can clear torps?
ocean quest
thats fortune yes
light crystal
Did that guy test Ancho/Fortune/Jintsuu? I dunno, I might drop Shima and use Ancho, going by what I see on that video 
light crystal
||CN quality censor ||
But yeah, what I kept seeing on that vid is his VG being half dead most of the time
whole salmon
Did that guy test Ancho/Fortune/Jintsuu? I dunno, I might drop Shima and use Anc...
He tested Ancho Fortune Juneau as well
light crystal
I think if he had struck a balance of the VG being tankier, he would've won most of those matches more convinsingly
stable dawn
iirc it's a playlist
stable dawn
on the right side there are more videos. Not too different fron YT
whole salmon
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Bw41127LN/?share_source=copy_web
Like this vid is actually 3 vids
whole salmon
Yeah
stable dawn
wild
light crystal
But damn, I never knew Fortune Meta would be such an effective anti-torp ship
Insane
Good knowloedge to have.
whole salmon
We were planning to try Hunter Meta as well
But Ari tested and it didn’t clear torp
The meta of METAs
ocean quest
wasnt it too small
light crystal
wtf, 81 comments? damn, didnt think cn pvp scene would be that active.
whole salmon
There are other channels as well
hollow walrus
out of all the servers isn't EN the most dead along with KR in terms of pvp?
whole salmon
Rafff is most famous since he contributes the most to CN wiki’s pvp page
light crystal
yet we get like a pvp dedicated update every 3 years 
whole salmon
But this is someone who is less popular but also decently reputable
He also tested Fortune in latest vid
whole salmon
A lot of ideas floating around
Since Jintsuu Meta pretty much introduced a completely new style of comps
light crystal
so keep an eye on those upcoming meta ships boys, one of them might have an even bigger spammable barrage that clears torps
whole salmon
You might even get away with running Anchorage off tank
hollow walrus
CN actually cares about pvp, unlike EN
CN in gacha games has always been the most tryhard, only being rivaled by the Japanese in certain gachas
whole salmon
Jintsuu Meta needs to be before the other ships to proc torp buff
Which is why you see so many Jintsuu Meta main tanks
Ari might also be testing Anchorage off tank instead of Harbin
hollow walrus
yeah next cruise pass meta is princeton
hollow walrus
But she's a CVL so
ocean quest
yeah exactly
light crystal
So what will the meta be? Kearsarge/NJ/Hiryuu, and then either Fortune + (torp meme or tank hybrid), or full torpmeme (No fortune)?
stable dawn
So what will the meta be? Kearsarge/NJ/Hiryuu, and then either Fortune + (torp m...
might unironically be better for Kear + Vanguard + Hiryuu for damage buff
stable dawn
10% increased damage taken is nuts
especially for torps which already deal massive damage on hit
you can one-tap enemy musashis now
light crystal
how about if enemy knows the secret sauce and runs fortune
stable dawn
rock paper scissors I guess
light crystal
light crystal
chise on dn
brazen socket
out of all the servers isn't EN the most dead along with KR in terms of pvp?
we're somehow more dead than jp?
brazen socket
10% increased damage taken is nuts
ACTUALLY WAIT
KEARSARGE CAN BE TIMED TO SHOOT WHEN JINTSUU META INVULS
brazen socket
That'd be the case if I had oath and her at d30
but maybe it can be done if we get an average sample size of when invul barrage happens
hollow walrus
we're somehow more dead than jp?
Beth had screenshots of their servers usually ending up with 2595 ish as top 10 cutoff
stable dawn
it's solely because less people overcap on JP
brazen socket
Isn't ENs case of having lower cut off because it's so competitive that players greed and overcap
brazen socket
figured
stable dawn
pine pollen
Be me, 3 years straight of top 10 95% of time, rip sleep
doesnt worth
trail temple
out of all the servers isn't EN the most dead along with KR in terms of pvp?
CN* if you're going off og scores
whole salmon
Yakuza vs Hymen + Torp + Fortune
We really need to think of a better name for the new comp
stable dawn
Veston suggested AMEN for Vanguard + Hiryuu + NJ
because you have to pray not to get one-shot
whole salmon
Switching out Hiryuu for Aquila didn't seem to have the desired impact
As the winrate in the mirror is only 70%
stable dawn
tbh I think any torpmemes mirror is going to have a low WR
because that's just how pvp works when you overkill everything you touch
stable dawn
not just Aquila
whole salmon
neon bronze
YAKUZA COUNTER
stable dawn
MSN counter
neon bronze
OH BOY HERE WE GO
neon bronze
what. we running 3 BB still?
whole salmon
CN has unleashed something unholy upon us
neon bronze
it is truly a fortune
stable dawn
misfortune meta
neon bronze
a ship of all time
light crystal
The more I watch those vids, the more I just think to myself, I would've reset that battle cuz I probably would've lost anyway. Better be safe than have an actual lost
stable dawn
The more I watch those vids, the more I just think to myself, I would've reset t...
tbf in CN they purposely disable wifi to see how the fight would end for theoretical purposes
light crystal
They use the internet disconnect tactic
I know that
But like, if you do that, it wouldn't register the outcome, be it a win too
So, might as well just reset at that point, no?
whole salmon
They wanted to be for certain what the outcome is
stable dawn
light crystal
But waht I'm saying, alot of the matches are too close that in a real setting I would've just reset...
whole salmon
So they just want to have the proper ending
stable dawn
they want the absolute WR
whole salmon
But yes, a lot of times you wouldn't risk it
stable dawn
as opposed to having a lot of "dubious" fights
whole salmon
THo seeing Fortune Meta wipping out Aquila torps is funny af
CN has unleashed something unholy
stable dawn
can't believe the real OP ship was Misfortune all along
light crystal
Wait, she also wipes out plane torps?
lusty hill
why is that fortune meta slash multiple times? cuz the wiki said she can only slash 2 times
neon bronze
Wait, she also wipes out plane torps?
looked like it
light crystal
Man, who knew Fortune would be that OP, if she can also mitigate airstrike dmg like that
whole salmon
I mean it is the same in pve as well I think
It wipe out frontal shells and torps alike
Stuff that arcs doesn't get wipe out
stable dawn
6 inclusive of today
steel coral
noooo fortune, look out! 
whole salmon
Might have to start raising more purple Meta ships at this rate
At this point anything could happen
stable dawn
do what I do
dorm them to level 100 then forget about them
whole salmon
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1T841117sZ?p=1
In the description of the vid
He is roasting people who said Mafia would be Meta again
Something along the line of
"It is 2023 now, the ships have changed, full Mafia line up is no longer effective in current environment"
ocean quest
Might need to speed the battlepass for more books
theres skillbooks in opsi
ocean quest
my fault
whole salmon
He also stated that without VV's buff, Aquila's damage to frontline isn't as high as it was during Mafia era. She is also quite squishy and that Fortune Meta isn't doing her any favor
Quick google translate
whole salmon
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1T841117sZ?p=1
"The biggest and most obvious advantage of the Aquila from beginning to end is only her ability to break the concealment of aircraft carriers at the beginning, which can assist the battle line to kill the aircraft carrier faster than without breaking the concealment. Once the opening does not have enough advantages, the end game will automatically deteriorate in the later stage. However, Hiryuu's advantage was revealed again at this time. She is not Shinano and have 15 seconds of invulnerability."
stable dawn
whole salmon
Tho I did make some edits
Google translate would pump out stuff like Skyhawk and Flying Dragon
Aka Aquila and Hiryuu
stable dawn
stable dawn
both sound pretty badass though
flint python
META ships starting to become meta
neon bronze
Corruption tag buff
whole salmon
It won't be long until someone cook with Helena Meta's time stop with Bismarck Zwei's black hole
To combo with Musashi and NJ for anti frontline
whole salmon
Don't worry guys
steel coral
just use strasser smh
flint python
Enty 2 and Enty META same time release
neon bronze
gaming
neon bronze
will kayame wall become higher or smth
flint python
kaya? lol
steel coral
kayame fence 
whole salmon
What do we call the Jintsuu and Shimakaze duo
Just "Torp"?
Oh Ik
"Tsushima"
Ghost of Tsushima
neon bronze
good enough
lime folio
Hey quick question, how efficient is the 12A compared to a Tenrai or is it just the speed?
Tenrais feel like they end the fight faster to me but could be placebo.
standard NJ Musa Shinano fleet
stable dawn
the problem is Tenrai slows your airstrike by something like 2.5 seconds, so you'd launch too late
wicked surge
12a is just a faster plane
stable dawn
by then the entire enemy fleet would've cycled their BBs and CVs at least once
your Shinano would most likely already be sunk
lime folio
your Shinano would most likely already be sunk
Got it 
kind stream
Hey all, so I'm finally getting around to taking a few things in the game more seriously.
First up is my Exercise fleet. Taking the advice from the community tier list I'm going to try Musashi, NJ, and FdG, with Anchorage Juneau and Harbin in the vanguard.
Any advice on which guns I should run on my main fleet girls though? As well as who to put on flag? Also where to put Juneau in the vanguard order?
valid oxide
Hey all, so I'm finally getting around to taking a few things in the game more s...
Check pins
ocean quest
yes
valid oxide
Hey all, so I'm finally getting around to taking a few things in the game more s...
Also use https://renhex.github.io/AzurLaneFleet/ to show your fleet easier
kind stream
Oooh
Wait, lol you're the same one from the gameplay channel. I just keep looking stupid in front of you. Though I still take no blame for not knowing a channel that was invisible to me existed
valid oxide
Nah it's fine
ocean quest
no problem there's people who look stupider
valid oxide
no problem there's people who look stupider
saltyBelfast 
ocean quest
bait
kind stream
lol
valid oxide
Oh yeah just post a screenshot of the fleet you've made and we can adjust as needed 
stable dawn
kind stream
Oh yeah just post a screenshot of the fleet you've made and we can adjust as nee...
I will do. Looking at this google doc in the pin has me having to do some rethinking. My first thought right now is that I don't have enough twin 457's
But one moment and I'll use the link you gave me to put together a screenshot of what I have been using for the past few months
rare escarp
hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
valid oxide
I will do. Looking at this google doc in the pin has me having to do some rethi...
How many 457s do you have
kind stream
1 lol
valid oxide
That's enough
rare escarp
do you play whit me pvp 1v1
valid oxide
This is what I use, and it happens to use ships you have
kind stream
I have a full FS FdG that I was going to slot in to replace Aquila
Harbin is up to 120 and I am grinding Juneau up right now
But a blue gun on Musashi? Thats boggling my mind
kind stream
I see
ocean quest
This is what I use, and it happens to use ships you have <:Glowow:61100413721090...
why not rainbow oxy
kind stream
Okay I need to dinner now, but this is something I'll be working on when I get back
valid oxide
why not rainbow oxy <:BuckyStare:588629690919550997>
I don't have it
ocean quest
valid oxide
It's a stopgap until I get blacktorp for teatorps
ocean quest
i need a 2nd copy for jintsuu meta
valid oxide
I need 2 blacktorp, one for jintM and one for unzen. I do not need one for fortune meta however
Fleet planned for the meta shift that hasn't happened yet 
kind stream
O.o Is this going to be your new main setup?
valid oxide
When torp meme rock paper scissors shift happens yes
kind stream
I'm going to nod my head and pretend I understood that
ocean quest
darkest timeline
valid oxide
And I choose not rock, paper, or scissors, I chose gun
kind stream
Yeah, I'm really not sure at all what we are talking about now
kind stream
Like some game mechanics are changing?
kind stream
I see I see
fickle echo
Ari META
neon bronze
Tags: corruption
gritty cove
THIS IS WHY I MARRY EVERY META SHIP
neon bronze
Fixing her?
serene epoch
Stalking continues successfully
serene epoch
Ari META <:EssexShock:618147670867050497>
Are you 0/10?
fickle echo
Are you 0/10?
2/10 but why are you asking it here?
serene epoch
2/10 but why are you asking it here? <:Ehhssex:611004140046254080>
Oh, I didnot notice that it is alo
fickle echo
serene epoch
:Yep:
What a time to remember that I may not have internet at morning.. better spend my attempts at this point 
kind stream
Okay, so back from dog walk and trying to work through this doc to build my team. Can someone explain to my why I would want to run WNT?
neon bronze
Okay, so back from dog walk and trying to work through this doc to build my team...
fir what team
kind stream
Musashi flag with fdg and nj
neon bronze
hiryuu and shinano comps love it. It's what makes them really consistent when it's on the flagship
But
It's also a good aux off flag because of the good stats it has. Eva + Hit
deft escarp
@whole salmon What do you think will happen to MSN once the smoke settles down?
neon bronze
On 3 bb, use it on FdG
kind stream
I see
neon bronze
give beaver to NJ
kind stream
So what do I get Musashi in her last slot?
neon bronze
on flag, either Beaver for survivability or Fairy Magic Poster/SG Radar (the latter 2 gears are interchangable, Radar has 1 less Hit stat than FMP at+13)
kind stream
heh, imagining I can afford to get things to +13 
neon bronze
it takes time
whole salmon
Although it is hard to notice
Doesn't Fortune Meta's AOA also clear projectiles?
And it might even apply to other purple Meta ships as well
kind stream
In a triple bb fleet, since I dont have shima or noshiro, do you think I should run Juneau with my Anchorage and Harbin, or Duka as my third?
neon bronze
Ancho - Harbin - Juneau is ur best bet
hidden robin
either Harbin or Duca is fine
me find Duca is solid as fook, having some defensive skills along with critical-oriented torpedoes, and her torp is slow which could be considered as a deadly minefield for vanguards.
winged depot
or just completely useless when the vgs do a slash
which happens about 70% of the time
kind stream
Thanks for the thoughts
whole salmon
Ik a lot of people know this already
But just for those who don’t
During the early seasons, there are some stuff you can use to estimate
light crystal
Lv 103 unit. Pretty sure she'd die in less than 5s...
whole salmon
Rhiselle is Lieutenant Junior Grade while I am at Ensign
light crystal
Level gap imapacts eva rate you know.
whole salmon
Lv 103 unit. Pretty sure she'd die in less than 5s...
Here’s the thing, I don’t care
whole salmon
Rhiselle is Lieutenant Junior Grade while I am at Ensign
This means Rhiselle is at least at 300 points
Meaning the minimum point gap between me and him is 35
Which is enough for a +1
whole salmon
During the early seasons, there are some stuff you can use to estimate
That’s how you can sort of estimate earlier seasons even if your opponent hasn’t zero-ed out or move far enough for you to see a clear point difference
whole salmon
Lv 103 unit. Pretty sure she'd die in less than 5s...
I used Jintsuu Meta last season and EOS just fine with her at level 105-110 for the majority of the season and still at limit break 2
It doesn’t matter once you know how to play
whole salmon
Fortune Meta being 103 doesn’t impact my ability to sandbag on the first week
Therefore, I simply don’t care
light crystal
If Soyus is released as a rainbow and she's good, this could be good on her
hidden robin
If Soyus is released as a rainbow and she's good, this could be good on her <:mo...
as attacker fleet Soyuz would have high chance getting her "1 DMG" cucked by vanguards' tiny bullets
Shima's barrage
that's what I reckon what would happen. Otherwise the based stats are good enough.
tacit fox
WTF is up with fortune meta?
neon bronze
WTF is up with fortune meta?
Cockblocker of torps, plane and ship alike
tacit fox
Good to see some meta shifts
neon bronze
meta shifting towards META
lusty hill
they should add tier M for Meta
brazen socket
No only special tier is our almight lord and savior quyet nguyen
scenic tendon
In a triple bb fleet, since I dont have shima or noshiro, do you think I should ...
Shima inc
I can do 5 attempts in 3 now
Also Quyet, my savior
errant zenith
lusty hill
she seems decent in pvp but it's probably too soon to say
she's good if you don't have shimakaze or harbin
deft escarp
junior trench
They'll release Soyuz in the same year they release Yamato
In the same year they release Iowa
valid oxide
Small test of Fortune Meta somehow slashing 3 times in a row
I thought it was because both of her skills have slashes
light crystal
Does the gun play a role into firing rate of that Barrage? Because something tells me you want uptime/proc rate to be as high as possible
valid oxide
Small test of Fortune Meta somehow slashing 3 times in a row
Both barrages are a slash, I'm assuming that you got the skill 1 slash, then skill 2, then skill 2 replaced AoA and you procced AoA
So yeah there might be a funny gun timing thing to do too 
Also I stole those images from CN wiki and they don't autoplay 
ocean quest
they autoply for me 🤔
valid oxide
I'm on an old discord mobile version, maybe it's finally catching up to me
valid oxide
they autoply for me 🤔
Anyway does my explanation sound reasonable
serene epoch
Bisz bad for offensive fleet, you need paralel tb in enty, put radar in fdg, agir will instantly die to torpedos
hollow sage
https://tenor.com/view/cohision-gone-fof-gif-21873912
XD sorry i didnt want it to clutter since i misunderstood to look at the pins and not post it in here
whole salmon
Both barrages are a slash, I'm assuming that you got the skill 1 slash, then ski...
Yeah that’s what I guessed
Tho the requirement for the ship’s skill to activate is still for a ship to fall under 50% HP
So consistency of that is quite questionable
Still worth noting
whole salmon
Does the gun play a role into firing rate of that Barrage? Because something tel...
Seems yes but only after 2nd skill activated
valid oxide
S2 slash is apparently 2 slashes 0.45s apart if my poorly translated CN wiki information is correct
steel coral
JintM/FortuneM/Unzen
unzen shield actually useful as it holds fortune barrage for more value
light crystal
I want to build tank Fortune. Suggestions for Aux?
light crystal
Imagine not having Kizuna Ai Boiler 
stable dawn
Imagine not having Kizuna Ai Boiler <:Pepe_Coffee:1052924969899806830>
why would you think so lowly of me?
light crystal
stable dawn
we're fossils
light crystal
light crystal
Am I?
stable dawn
with how torpmemes is, manjuu Juneau may make a comeback
like manjuu + bulge or even manjuu + pearl
although if fortune meta ends up being too effective against torpmemes, your Juneau won't die
light crystal
Run her Lead
And she doesn't need to die. Take enough BB barrage DMG, proc mid-late game Heal. Watch your opponent having to decide whether to reset much later than usual into the fight
stable dawn
fortune lead???
unless you meant Juneau
manjuu Juneau has to be run lead lol
she will never die fast enough in off-tank position with that 610 extra HP
heck she might even outlive ancho
the real question is who's your backline going to be?
light crystal
Thinking Kearsarge, NJ and Hiryuu
stable dawn
could go something really wild
Kear, NJ, Vanguard. WNT flag for maximum stall.
stable dawn
Vanguard will effectively negate the downside of WNT for your fleet
and since kear reveals with airstrike, you don't need a CV
light crystal
I don't think I'd use WNT, I want Hiryuu buffed by Kearsarge
stable dawn
ahh ok
honest moon
Interesting. Yakuza comp > mafia comp
brazen socket
Interesting. Yakuza comp > mafia comp
WOW NO WAY REALLY?
this is such a groundbreaking discovery
I will be delivering this news to the press immediately! Butler! Call for my horses right this once! The town must recieve this such important news
chrome vessel
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chrome vessel
One message removed from a suspended account.
stable dawn
most vgs have garbage AA in the current meta
also Musashi blows up the vg when she fires anyway
light crystal
most vgs have garbage AA in the current meta
My comp won't have bad AA
4 American ships baby.
light crystal
whole salmon
Aug for Fortune Meta isn't decided yet
Technically it doesn't matter
So either of them could work
I use dual swords since it gives a bit more eva
neon bronze
uh
does torp choice matter on fortune META
plz quint mag i don't want to sink deeper into gold aux plate drought
whole salmon
It might be a case of it not mattering
It could be Tea torp or USS torp
Her torp efficiency isn't high enough for it to be that impactful
neon bronze
poggers?
light crystal
And in any event, it helps with chip DMG here and there I suppose.
torpid shuttle
must be hard being bad
light crystal
yes, im hard all the time. how you know 
valid oxide
I give up on PvP again
kind stream
Which Aug should I run on Harbin?
kind stream
You are right, pins exist, and the same one you just showed a picture of says this "If you have additional questions, feel free to ask in the #pvp channel of ALO"
So sorry for asking an additional question
lusty hill
I'm pretty sure harbin prefer the sword than crossbow
Her torps benefits from extra rld and hit
kind stream
I see, and this is why I was asking. I wasn't sure what Harbin would benefit from the most.
neon bronze
Harbin likes the Sword IF you run another CL
kind stream
Juneau
neon bronze
Say, ancho - harbin - juneau for example. Juneau gets Crossbow, Harbin gets sword
kind stream
Hehe, yes that is the lineup I am using
neon bronze
If you wanna run smth like Ancho - DD - Harbin then, Harbin gets the Crossbow
kind stream
I see I see.
neon bronze
kind stream
Thank you for the tips
If I ever get a chance at getting Shima I know what to do now
light crystal
Gear is not optimal in a sense, and Kearsarge is level 115. But, promising I guess.
kind stream
You finished dev on Kearsarge already? Jealous
light crystal
Fashion Lane
zenith lantern
I'm pretty sure harbin prefer the sword than crossbow
It’s if you’re using teatorps the extra rld from sword + goldburn helps line her smoke up with cv launches
It’s more for when meeb existed though, it doesn’t matter as much when there’s only 1 cv
steel coral
thought whole draw of the crossbow was the 5% vs CVs
I'll take a handful of HIT over that any day of the week when every fleet is either 1 or 0 CVs
stable dawn
use no aug. True higher up tech
ancient raptor
20 keys. I think it will take half of year to make even one
neon bronze
TRYE
bruh legit 4 days of d1 farm + high efficiency books
AND ISN'T DROPPING THE LAST PRINT NEEDED FOR 2ND BLACK TORP
valid oxide
I need to farm event for 2nd last rainbow bulin for unzen
So no blacktorp farming has taken place yet
spiral owl
It took me around 140 high efficiency runs to get two blacktorps so yeah the drop rate is pretty dogshit
neon bronze
Fashion Lane
damn does Fortune META like it or not
ocean quest
south tulip
PvP I'd just extra exp runs, dont miss them!
scenic tendon
PvP I'd just extra exp runs, dont miss them!
No.
torpid shuttle
how's the unzenxshima testing
ancient raptor
40 keys 1 print
Okey fuck it.
I am done.
Now waiting for they add this in coreshop or gearlab
ocean quest
well I already got 2
light crystal
🍆
ancient raptor
well I already got 2 <:BuckyStare:588629690919550997>
How many keys and high efficiency did u use?
ocean quest
pff
i think ive had 12 or 16 on the day the WA dropped
and used all of them to this day
ocean quest
How many keys and high efficiency did u use?
so I guess around 130?
light crystal
You have 2 maxed ayayas?
Sir, she's a waifu.
ocean quest
but I might've skipped some high effi, I noticed it sometimes doesnt use
or maybe i just have skill issue
but probably very few cases of it not activating
ancient raptor
so I guess around 130?
Oh. I guess i am just unlucky now.
ancient raptor
light crystal
stable dawn
no I mean the thing where you get a dupe of each LB
and if you're JP style whale, an oathed dupe of each LB too
light crystal
and if you're JP style whale, an oathed dupe of each LB too
light crystal
are these like a must?
Up to 3 is fine.
ancient raptor
60 keys
ocean quest
are you sure you're running d1
ancient raptor
Yes
Retired like 20 Ark Royals right now. She drops from D1 only.
Droprate is shit.
ocean quest
it is yes
serene epoch
I got bonus +1 with only 20 score difference on Captain rank. Table in pins says it must be 24 minimum.
My score was 934, opponent's 954. 934 + 13 = 947. Am I bad at math somehow?
ocean quest
maybe they moved while you were fighting them
fickle echo
You just discovered the secret +13 tech
serene epoch
maybe they moved while you were fighting them <:BuckyStare:588629690919550997>
Impossible, he must have 966 then at worst, but highest score on ladder was 963 after that attempt
stable dawn
iceburg
oh right Chesh isn't in ALO
congrats, you've discovered one of the red zone items
Captain Rank Point Difference is cursed
serene epoch
ocean quest
lusty hill
Time for newbie bullying
timid nymph
how often they rerun ur's?
lusty hill
how often they rerun ur's?
once a year but people speculate shimakaze will rerun this year although it's never confirmed
trail temple
Fashion Lane
neon bronze
looks like he signed up to some insurance company now
light crystal
PvP'ing for XP?
light crystal
Fashion Lane fixes one of her problems: Chibi looking a bit dull. Juist use Aux skins
Also, DMG becomes more respectable with Kearsarge's buff anyway, so it's not bad.
trail temple
honest moon
Saw the new tiering of stepmom > milf. Who should be flag for stepmom comp?
neon bronze
Saw the new tiering of stepmom > milf. Who should be flag for stepmom comp?
Musashi as usual
tacit fox
Thoughts about triple torp+mk backline?
honest moon
Musashi as usual
Shelling timings still be vanny first to fire, followed by musashi/nj right
whole salmon
@stable dawn Also whatever the new comp ends up being add to the guide, can we make it a separate thing and not lump it with the old comps. Like I think it should exist as its own thing separate from the current HYMEN comp
Since this time around, the core of the fleet isn’t the backline but instead the frontline
So I think it should be tiered differently from the current Ancho frontline of Hymen that we currently have now
neon bronze
✍️ 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥
whole salmon
The comp is centered around Jintsuu Meta, Shimakaze and/or Fortune Meta. It doesn’t function like a standard Hymen comp even if it does use Hymen comp’s backline
stable dawn
<@519961330506268683> Also whatever the new comp ends up being add to the guide,...
This will depend on whether you guys test old HYMEN with a torpmemes vanguard
serene epoch
how often they rerun ur's?
One time 2 years after release
whole salmon
This will depend on whether you guys test old HYMEN with a torpmemes vanguard
It is just a headups since a lot of the new comps we are testing don’t have new backline variations
serene epoch
once a year but people speculate shimakaze will rerun this year although it's ne...
During New Year stream they said there will be multiple ur reruns this year
trail temple
The way the fleets are ranked is based on the best possible combination. Anything below that will mean that the fleet's overall tier will likely be lower
light crystal
btw, when running hiryuu, u run jetfuel + SG-item, right? For the Hit + eva
actually +13 that russian SG. while it only has one extra hit stat, it might be useful in the future, so i consider it an investment to +13 now
Also, stats for 125/200/Dev30 Bocchi if u were wondering. Just 200'd her.
neon bronze
What in the flying fuck
ocean quest
had 3 prints in 1 run yesterday
neon bronze
btw, when running hiryuu, u run jetfuel + SG-item, right? For the Hit + eva
avgas + angel festher (eva + avi) or beaver badge (moar eva)
ocean quest
finishing the 2nd torp
chrome vessel
One message removed from a suspended account.
stable dawn
no but it doubles the amount of rewards in exchange for double fuel consumption, effectively turning every key run into 2 key runs
so it's really good for archives farming or if you're short on time for an event
chrome vessel
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ocean quest
doesnt matter
neon bronze
ye true
neon bronze
now, need a third. Surely that is all I need
wind orbit
To me the real pain is dealing with low moral ships after a few runs.
tacit fox
Just cope with 533 mag + oxytorp ig
lusty hill
i cant bring myself to farm black torp
Try using high efficiency, I managed to farm enough to craft 2 copies in less than a month
scenic tendon
Also, stats for 125/200/Dev30 Bocchi if u were wondering. Just 200'd her.
what the fck
her face
light crystal
hidden robin
Juneau looking at other 5 be like: "You all fooking useless!!"
timid nymph
<:JoeyWTF:654758008097603604>
Is that a rearm?
ocean quest
To me the real pain is dealing with low moral ships after a few runs.
i just 1-1d it
and swapped ships if morale was low
ocean quest
<:JoeyWTF:654758008097603604>
the fuck happened there
valid oxide
<:JoeyWTF:654758008097603604>
Why you Juneau tank 
Whenever I see Juneau tank I win weirdly fast but it's always a pearl manjuu Juneau
vale minnow
This is my current pvp fleet, how can I fix it
hollow walrus
what is your dock looking like first
kind stream
Mmmm, since I just lost my first fight of this season does that mean my trip to the top is over until it resets?
kind stream
Thank you, gambled a bit too hard on that fight, the last shell I need to win it was right above the last girl on the other guys team when my last one dropped
One of these days I will figure out why my girls always sail right through the opening wave of torpedoes at match start every time while the other teams always sails right past mine.
Oh, here is another question that might be written somewhere and I am sorry if it is @valid oxide , but once I have ten rounds lined up to do, is it best to fight them early in that timeslot or late?
valid oxide
I'm not good at bagging so don't ask me
kind stream
Heh, fair fair.
whole salmon
One of these days I will figure out why my girls always sail right through the o...
Problems with torps? Welcome Fortune Meta
Destroyer of torpedoes
1 slash and multiple waves of torps can be deleted
Tho Fortune Meta should only be used as a counter pick, don’t be over reliant on her
serene epoch
This is my current pvp fleet, how can I fix it
hollow walrus
Musashi, NJ, FdG
serene epoch
Is it ok they they are not leveled up and not like leveled up for skills as well
Level skills to at least 8
And do not level Ancho's red skill
serene epoch
Why use noshiro?
While this ship is afloat: increases the TRP of your Vanguard by 5% (20%). Also increases Vanguard's Crit Rate by 3% (12%) starting at skill level 7.
hollow walrus
torp cl + skills means she gud for pvp
serene epoch
Also I don’t have any more gold skill books
What is your level?
Also you can craft gold books from puple
It is not efficient, but still
vale minnow
What is your level?
Also you can craft gold books from puple
Wait really?
I have 60 purple books tho
vale minnow
What is your level?
Also you can craft gold books from puple
102
vale minnow
Are you doing lvl95 daily raid/challenge?
I don’t rly do dailies
serene epoch
vale minnow
So like this?
light crystal
Why you Juneau tank <:Wotspite:839635014572048394>
Evidently it doesn't matter. She's getting some protection from Fortune barrage sweep and Bulge. Manjuu on Ancho.
I'll continue playing like this and see how I do. I can tinker as neeeded, but I got the basics: Beaver, Pearl and Manjuu on someone. Along with everyone using BiS, +13 (Except the two rainbow Akizuki guns).
light crystal
Actually, trying something new. 121 Speed between the 3 VG, for an average of 40 SPD each.
neon bronze
Level skills to at least 8
~~And do not level Ancho's red skill~~
Falling for bait 😔 🫰
valid oxide
New meta 
Can also replace infinite Juneau with le Terri double boiler
Also be sure to have beaver on a backline ship
ocean quest
Oh, here is another question that might be written somewhere and I am sorry if i...
its best to do them once you get a bonus from someone on your list
and if theres none just do them as late as you can
when bagging you want people on your list to use their excercises before you, so the point difference is enough to give you bonus points
first days you can get tens of bonus points, later on 2 bonus points per whole 5 excercises is a luxury
ocean quest
New meta <:KievPray:1023947308255170650>
neon bronze
New meta <:KievPray:1023947308255170650>
Still not faster than a dad "buying milk"
somber monolith
Can also replace infinite Juneau with le Terri double boiler
Speed Girl! (Technically Rikka is faster on her own, but eh)
kind stream
its best to do them once you get a bonus from someone on your list
Now I'm really feeling like this is probably in a pin and I'm going to get yelled at. But how do I know if someone has a bonus? Totally not going to mention that I don't know what bagging is but am guessing it has to do with the waiting until ten stuff.
ocean quest
the point difference requirement is in the pins
kind stream
Okay
ocean quest
and you cant know for sure what score your opponents have unless theyre in top100
so u often have to eyeball it in early/mid season
sandbagging is just waiting with using excercises to do all that
as opposed to rushing and just using them as soon as you get them available
ocean quest
sandbagging is just waiting with using excercises to do all that
and since you (very often) really can't squeeze out bonuses out of all attacks you just get to 5/10 before a reset so you don't lose any when they replenish
hope its digestible
kind stream
Mostly, at the very least I understand a lot more now then I did before.
The only things I am not consistent on might be in a pin and you've already been very helpful so I dont want to push my luck too much further
light crystal
Straight from the then-GOAT of stratcrafting. 40 Average Speed + Beaver is all you need.
trail temple
What that chip and bear do.
Gold boilers
light crystal
What that chip and bear do.
The bear also changes the music
wind orbit
Any way to make the Battle button be responsive faster after a logout-login?
Every time it takes like at least 5sec to actually register my inputs.
flint python
connect directly to the servers 👍
wind orbit
I suspect that L2D skins make it take even longer.
stable dawn
I suspect it's some weird routing issues.
On my home connection it's instant but using 5g or some public wifi networks it has that 5s delay sort of deal. Interestingly it's only on game launch. Everything else is properly responsive afterward.
wind orbit
I suspect it's some weird routing issues.
On my home connection it's instant but...
Instant on both phone and emulator on your home connection?
stable dawn
well I don't have a laptop so my emu doesn't really leave the house
and in this case it's all phone
not sure why it works this way. Wouldn't be surprised if there's some weird spaghetti interaction with session creation that becomes more obvious when there's more hops
wind orbit
wait what was the combo to display the screen debug again?
stable dawn
didn't they remove that a while back
wind orbit
ah shit :/
stable dawn
guess it's time to check #tech-support anyway
wind orbit
by holding the right side of the screen while performing a pinching motion on the left side.
looks like it's gone
wind orbit
wait no, it WERKS
Basically the button only works after I get the LevelMainScene(clone) I receive all the network packages
valid oxide
Speed Girl! (Technically Rikka is faster on her own, but eh)
Actually no, she isn't
Because Terri and ausburne keep the speed higher
stable dawn
light crystal
I like AL cuz it plays really well on my S4 from 2018, even on Wifi
It actually plays much better on it than my Emu...
But I think it's because of the Emu I'm running it on. Might run much better if I run it on a different one. But the game on that Emu does have the secretary poistion presets I took lotsa time to get right, so it's difficult if I were to run it on a different Emu...
stable dawn
nah, back in 2019 or so AL released an update that changed how the game ran, specifically it'd run much better on ARM based processors and dropped native support for x86/64 or something along those lines. Since then not a single emu I've used has run well.
But my phone has a guaranteed 2-5s load time so I just pvp on that
game confirmed p2w
just buy a better phone
light crystal
But my 2018 S4 still plays it very smooth
Clearly, just the actual phone is god.
||Not really, Counter:side, another game I play, runs like crap on it. Blue Acrhive, also runs like crap on the phone. But not AL! AL clearly best game.||
stable dawn
It has an ARM based processor so my point still stands
light crystal
Btw Mr Ratinger, you gonna be running Kearsarge and Fortune soon? We need to make Washi be the first to mass adopt the new meta over the other servers 
ocean quest
light crystal
Intrepid also told me he plans to get the units required up and running soon as well.
ocean quest
im already running jintsuu with harbin and it feels really good
sometimes whole backline dies before front
whole salmon
Btw Mr Ratinger, you gonna be running Kearsarge and Fortune soon? We need to mak...
The first?
light crystal
The first?
whole salmon
Ari and Plasma already used dev 30 Kearsarge before
JIntsuu Meta then me and Ari already used at Lb2 last season, currently we have around 5 users
Fortune Meta then we have like 4 users currently
A bit late Washi
whole salmon
whole salmon
Current list of ideas:
Kear testing:
- Triple BB: NJ Musa Kear, Ancho Shima Harbin (Plasma and Ari)
Jintsuu M testing: - Standard comp: NJ Musa Vang, Ancho Shima Jintsuu M (Brah)
- Torp comp: NJ Musa/Vang Hiryuu, Jintsuu M Shima Harbin/Noshiro/Jintsuu kai (Ari and Pink)
Fortune M testing: - Torp comp Fortune (soon tm): NJ Musa Hiryuu, Jintsuu M Shima Fortune (likely Ari and Pink)
- Triple invul: NJ Seyd Hiryuu, Ancho Shima Fortune (Aldarn)
We still have a lot of ideas but nothing is fully decided yet
Just that Fortune Meta and Jintsuu Meta have potential
fickle echo
The first?
"The first to adopt the new meta" -last unironic mafia user
whole salmon
Tho despite our varied approach, the thing we have in common is the complete disregard of Unzen
stable dawn
even washy has mostly switched to Yakuza now
ocean quest
wouldnt unzen still be fine for torp comp?
stable dawn
too slow
stable dawn
Harbin better lmao
whole salmon
whole salmon
If Shima’s re run is nowhere near then maybe you could make a case
stable dawn
whole salmon
But it has been announced on stream to be coming already