pvp

[whole salmon]

So my fleet barely changed for an entire year

[neon bronze]

gaming

[stable dawn]

bf109

[whole salmon]

Early experimentations smh

[neon bronze]

what does harbin gun do on backline

[whole salmon]

USS DD gun hasn’t come out

Plymouth gun still scarce

So Harbin gun as Aux gun in pvp was preferred

Due to 70 range

[neon bronze]

Oh yeah, back when Musashi was released

[whole salmon]

CL guns has less range

[pallid phoenix]

How did I not realize Tamaki would be so devastating in pvp? 3x 200% DD mains is golden.

[stable dawn]

it's on the iceberg for a reason

[pallid phoenix]

Never seen this before. Nice.

[stable dawn]

tbf the iceberg itself is in the yellow zone

[lapis bolt]

Where is the inethical forced pvp retirement category?

It's when you intentionally use a unit knowing that it is bugged and will crash PvP, forcing a stalemate regardless of condition

i.e. Akagi-chan before bug was fixed etc

[stable dawn]

it's in the black zone, where nobody can see it

[lapis bolt]

[stable dawn]

[flint python]

put old ryuusei targeting in iceburg

[lapis bolt]

It's the unethical pvp category

Use stuff that forces game crash

[stable dawn]

I heard some other things lurk in the black zone

horrible, unthinkable things

[lapis bolt]

Life has many doors

Some doors are never meant to be opened

[stable dawn]

things like unpatched Shiden Kai

[brazen socket]

You know what would be funny

If for the 6th jp anniversary they sneakily unpatched shiden kai

And watch chaos unfold

[trail temple]

The Majestic 12?

[stable dawn]

perhaps there are some things we are better off not knowing

[trail temple]

Like when Kenny was referring to the Agency before he left, he wasn't talking about Avrora but Amagi?

[stable dawn]

[lapis bolt]

???
Why crystal bomb

What's the purpose of putting crystal bomb on anchorage

[whole salmon]

Similar stats to Boiler

It has more HP but less Speed

And can be +13 instead of +11

This is just my preference, no need to invest

[lapis bolt]

Bomb gives speed?

Wait, it's not crystal bomb

[whole salmon]

@lapis bolt It’s this thing

[lapis bolt]

Yeah, makes sense

[whole salmon]

More HP but less speed

[lapis bolt]

I was so confused when I was staring at it and the crystal bomb

I was like ??? How exactly is this better than literally anything else

Crystal bomb only gives flat eva so I was confused

Yeah, this makes a lot more sense

I guess you do not have ankimo?

[whole salmon]

Yeah I don’t

Otherwise I would have used it as well

[trail temple]

Collab item shop when?

[lapis bolt]

Never

[trail temple]

[gritty quiver]

i feel like musashi doesnt hit hard enough with 356, should i run twin 410 kai instead

its already +11 anyway

[zenith tide]

Musashi bad
my ayanami does more than her

[gritty quiver]

my ayanami does lesser than my ancho so

also is it even possible to beat these fleets
they literally tanked through both my sushi and nj and survived with half health while they one shotted me

[ocean quest]

[gritty quiver]

surprisingly their shima did nothing to me

[whole salmon]

Standard MSN

Nothing new

[gritty quiver]

smh no bulin defence

[whole salmon]

From the back image

[gritty quiver]

well its pretty new to me since i dont really take pvp seriously

[whole salmon]

I see Noshiro, Aya, Bismarck 2

[gritty quiver]

i heard zwei good on defence yea

[whole salmon]

You can beat MSN with like 5 retries or so

[gritty quiver]

aya just there cuz i forgot to drop her for harbin

[whole salmon]

If not then switch out someone

[whole salmon]

If it takes you more than 5 then don’t bother fighting

[gritty quiver]

eh no i already gave up and took the l

after one reset

[ocean quest]

hiryuu gamble 🎲

[gritty quiver]

cuz they clearly werent going to magically sink with other ships considering how limited my options are

[gritty quiver]

isnt hiryuu just there to stall? no point in just her surviving and everyone else ded

[whole salmon]

Against stall comps while having under par fleet then the best your can do is hope RNG let you kill their frontline

Which may take a couple of tries

That’s it

[ocean quest]

well shes a good safety net if u dont have the strongest fleet

[gritty quiver]

i had 0 issues with their frontline

[whole salmon]

Since it seems like your offense isn’t strong enough to punch through their defense

[gritty quiver]

the backline just too tanky and hit too hard

[ocean quest]

eva rng maybe

[whole salmon]

If your frontline isn’t dead by the time you reach their backline then there’s no issue

A few wave of torps should end it

[gritty quiver]

that's why im considering twin 410 instead

[ocean quest]

that wont be much difference vs bbs

[gritty quiver]

only ancho survived after duking it out both times so

[whole salmon]

That won’t be much difference

[whole salmon]

Then your frontline isn’t strong enough

[gritty quiver]

she had like half health and got deleted by aux guns

well i was running harbin + noshi so

[ocean quest]

time for juneau tech

[whole salmon]

No

Not Juneau

[ocean quest]

[whole salmon]

The point is that their frontline doesn’t have enough dps to win the frontline fight with enough HP remaining

Trying to out tank a stall comp while using a rush fleet wouldn’t end well

Honestly you could have switched out Bismarck Zwei for FDG or Vanguard or Aquila

Then use more damaging torps

And hope rng is on your side

You can beat it in 5 tries or less

[gritty quiver]

i was running yakuza

[whole salmon]

A yakuza without Shima

[gritty quiver]

i was running +13 quint on harbin

[whole salmon]

Terrible

But if you don’t have black aux torp then that will do

[gritty quiver]

its the rainbow ones, i thought those were good?

[whole salmon]

Nope

Not against a stall comp

[gritty quiver]

yea i dont have the black torp

i do have +13 tea torps though

[whole salmon]

Without Black Aux then the reliability of those is low

Seems like a lot of limited options

Ig just ignore those for now until you get Black Aux torp

[gritty quiver]

thats why i never really took pvp seriously, cuz i prioritise pve stuff

[gritty quiver]

its from shima event right? cant rmb where its from

[whole salmon]

It’s from Perseus/Vanguard event

[gritty quiver]

perseus wa coming soon, good opportunity for me then

[whole salmon]

The Black Aux was already used in Noshiro Naganami Jintsuu cancer torp comps before Ancho was released

[gritty quiver]

does noshi run the quint after i get the black torp?

[whole salmon]

No

[gritty quiver]

shes running my +13 quad

[whole salmon]

Just run Tea torps and Black Aux torp when you get it

The Quint torps stopped being used once Ancho and Harbin became relevant

[gritty quiver]

ill only have 1 black torp though

[whole salmon]

Since Ancho shield and smoke

Along with Harbin smoke

[gritty quiver]

and itll go on harbin

[whole salmon]

Would render most opening torp damage to the frontline quite useless

[gritty quiver]

so noshi gets leftovers which is the quint no? or am i missing something

[whole salmon]

So Tea torps is used for occasional back line snipes

[gritty quiver]

tried that, never worked for me

[whole salmon]

If you only have 1 Black Aux then yeah use it on Harbin

Black Aux and Tea torp

Noshiro gets Quint

Without Shima it is still troublesome to run offense comps

[gritty quiver]

ill just bide my time until black torp then, thanks for the help

[whole salmon]

September might give us something new to change the meta

So there’s still hope for that

[gritty quiver]

i felt the pain of no shima more than i needed to

[gritty quiver]

i hope not, i dont wanna raise more ships when my backlog is a billion miles long

[ocean quest]

hidden ply tech time

[whole salmon]

There’s a copium idea you could try @gritty quiver

Do you wanna know?

The Gridman comp, It is really copium

[ancient raptor]

Will i get +9 or +10 from him?

[whole salmon]

Try exiting the app to confirm but this is a true Schrödinger situation

[ancient raptor]

Yeah, relog and it fixed

[fickle echo]

Still less copium than mafia 2023

[fickle echo]

https://youtu.be/ETkdqju1YbI

Gridman is enough to defeat MSN

[late heath]

You should be able to win on attack on a lot of fleet tbh

Free win cause attacker bonuses

[brazen socket]

Is this pre or post nerf

[fickle echo]

I don't remember when they nerfed it

[neon bronze]

Seggs

[gritty quiver]

i got chise and yume and their stuff too

fk msn

[neon bronze]

Well. Can try that out

[fickle echo]

Felix op

[ocean quest]

what equips are you running

[lusty hill]

shimakaze killer

[fickle echo]

Bis2 killer, she killed both her and Gery

[ocean quest]

ply 🧐

[flint python]

[fickle echo]

Plymouth is in PvP tierlist so

[ocean quest]

oh wha

which list

[fickle echo]

https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/pvpguide

[ocean quest]

how did i forget about that

[fickle echo]

Felix wasn't even mentioned

[lusty hill]

isn't ectl pvp written by alm?

why is it different than the sheet tierlist

[fickle echo]

Wait, was Felix not mentioned because she's a higher up tech?

[ocean quest]

is it even worth coping without blacktorp aux

[valid oxide]

The no black torp cope is asw torp + oxytorp

[ocean quest]

yea yea

but without shima it feels like torps do 0 damage

[valid oxide]

I use harb in shimas place

She does damage

[ocean quest]

🤔

[valid oxide]

On occasion she outdamages sushi

[fickle echo]

You don't really need oxytorp

[ocean quest]

[fickle echo]

She got MVP against @tawny parcel on LE

[valid oxide]

I just run it because she doesn't die quick enough with another hp aux

[steel coral]

Bulky harbin

[valid oxide]

I just want my pearl procs for the never ending ancho magic trick

[steel coral]

+0 pearl juneau best tech

[hollow walrus]

Tamaki outdamaging FdG lol

[stable dawn]

thicc harbin

[fickle echo]

She does that a lot because her early barrage kills most of the vanguard by itself

[whole salmon]

Because sheet tier list wasn’t written by ALM

It was made by the community within ALM’s server

And any related parties to those members

[trail temple]

Yeah, the sheet was written with no affiliation to ALM, despite the writers being a part of (or formally a part of) ALM's server

[stable dawn]

the sheet exists independently from ALM as a whole

[lusty hill]

ALM isn't part of the council

[trail temple]

You can check his roles bro

[fickle echo]

Do you expect Serenity to read?

[stable dawn]

Serenity is Yorktown II????

another higher up in disguise?????????

[trail temple]

He knows how to read, he's trolling you

[lusty hill]

I know most you guys are alm people so I assume he is the pvp president or something

[stable dawn]

well I didn't vote for him

[fickle echo]

So my theory about him being the strongest pvper but pretending having skills issues is right?!

[trail temple]

It is highly likely, given he's a higher up

[stable dawn]

only a higher up could come up with something like the yakuza conspiracy

[whole salmon]

ALM is usually too busy to join in with us in these projects

He has his own thing he wants to do

[stable dawn]

it's so prevalent all the top amagi players use it now

[whole salmon]

So the Sheet tierlist isn’t affiliated with him

[lusty hill]

Since when I got promoted to higher ups

[whole salmon]

And tbh ALM usually doesn’t play pvp that much

At least not as much as some of us here

[trail temple]

Always have been

[trail temple]

@stable dawn can confirm ALM's activity

[stable dawn]

The king of pvp, in the flesh

[trail temple]

Not god, that's UNULTRA

[stable dawn]

[fickle echo]

[whole salmon]

When was the last time ALM got eos

[stable dawn]

I pray to UNULTRA every reset

[trail temple]

Probably last year during the tourny

[whole salmon]

Mbruh

But yeah that sounds about right

[fickle echo]

https://youtu.be/S7UjfHU4uyA?si=uQQE-n2OGZJShF0O

His last PvP fleet video is from before Musashi

[stable dawn]

oh did he never edit and upload his pvp tier list stream?

[fickle echo]

Not even a community post

[flint python]

[steel coral]

get better fleet nerd

[lusty hill]

Almost +12

[trail temple]

That happens when you're behind

[neon bronze]

I never claim to have best defense fleet. Just only coping on attack

Because I suck. Hard. A lot.

Besides, all Amagi player can beat my def. Hiryuu does nothing but 15 seconds of gay on def

[flint python]

that's 5 more seconds of gay than my seyd

[sterile tinsel]

@neon bronze Hi there!

[neon bronze]

[sterile tinsel]

I need to crush the most gay meta def fleet on our server...

Oh,stop

I already crushed that shit

No,it isn't your,Chicharon))

[neon bronze]

as long as you're having fun

😄

[sterile tinsel]

As long as I in need of purins...

[neon bronze]

[jagged depot]

Is CL AP better than HE for pvp?

[hollow walrus]

for CL guns pvp or pve you generally don't care that much about ammo type but rather their DPS. It just coincides that the UR PR gun is AP and is the bis CL gun

[neon bronze]

dps as sara fan said; angle (backline only) to hit frontline ships; range for the same reason.

[gritty quiver]

how much difference does fuel on cv make

[flint python]

you don't play cv without it

[gritty quiver]

also does crash damage calc based on current hp or max hp

[flint python]

current

[gritty quiver]

no wonder yall running +13 aa guns

[neon bronze]

aa gun used to shave off the hp of planes. pretty much decreases crash dmg alright

in a gamemode where plane health is quadrupled and crash dmg calcs rely on that hp value.

[blazing canyon]

pvp in a nutshell is either hair color themed waifu or murican italian mafia

[fickle echo]

Mafia 2023

[winged depot]

have a non racist waifu fleet

[neon bronze]

Love everyone equally

[lusty hill]

No 2

[neon bronze]

damn

the gap between #2 and #3

[lusty hill]

I had to take a +7

[forest vapor]

Close call but I made it in

[winged depot]

grats

[lusty hill]

congrats

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1099450788134273087.webp?size=48

[trail temple]

A higher up didn't make number 1?

[neon bronze]

[flint python]

[lusty hill]

I just realized that magnetic torps doesn't target a hidden CV

No wonder aquila never dies

[flint python]

serenity moment

[neon bronze]

hidden mechanic gaming

[delicate mango]

Just use mafia

Easy pvp wins

[neon bronze]

Use Manjuu NJ while you're at it

[sturdy kraken]

@lusty hill right behind you

[lusty hill]

[rapid coral]

I have a very, very dumb question.
Pretty much the only ships I have from the recommended reading for current meta participation are back line, and Aiger.
Would Ager/Cheshire/Heinrich work as vanguard while I work up Ancho/Juneau/Ayaname/literally anyone?

[hollow walrus]

CBs have an issue of being pretty bad in pvp

Agir especially has the weakness of being very very vulnerable to torps

If you have to focus on working up one vanguard, it has to be Ancho

[valid oxide]

Ayanami is mid

Use nosh or harb instead

Harb still better than nosh though

[hollow walrus]

Eh if they have nothing else judging from what they said then Ayanami can be useful

[rapid coral]

In that case I'm kinda boned. Aigers the only character I have on this chart over 80 ATM . Including the budget guide. Looks like being PVE Destory and CB heavy is having draw back.
Well I should be able to book Ancho. It looks Like I might also be able to Book Ayanami. I I don't have Nosh or Harb yet. No where close to harb.

[hollow walrus]

I don't think they'd have Harbin if they're asking this

[valid oxide]

You need 125 for PvP btw

[rapid coral]

never mind I can not book both of them.

Probable Just Ancho*

[hollow walrus]

Eh if you can't field a vanguard that's passable I'd do pvp just for the merit + the xp it gives

[valid oxide]

Get Eos with bulin

[rapid coral]

Eos?

[valid oxide]

Akashi + bulin aotn no hax trust

[valid oxide]

End of season

[rapid coral]

so that guyed?

[valid oxide]

Guyed?

[rapid coral]

Thank you everyone for the help. I think I have a better Idea of where to go with this to earn merit more consistently.

[hollow walrus]

or if you have other torpedo vanguards you can go the meme all torpedo vanguard

[neon bronze]

@rapid coral post your entire dock

that way we can be sure of what you have, and then make a fleet (or recommend ships to get if you lack 'em)

[rapid coral]

So actually learned two good things. One: I do have Juneau, the reason I could not find her is she is retrofit and my filters were wrong. Two Ayanami is over 100 and my filters... were wrong. Its been a day. Turning this into a thread. Trying to, its not letting me start one right now. Working on it.

yeah no its not letting me start a thread.

Do I need to apply for a roll in pvp to do that?

[stable dawn]

no, a lot of big servers don't let people make threads

anyway not much is going on here rn, might as well post as is

[rapid coral]

Feel bad for wasting time then. Limiting this to elite, SS and UR. Its really not a matter of having ships its a matter of having leveled ships. Sorry for the long list.

Edited: Also booked Ancho, has far as I can.

[stable dawn]

honestly best bet for you is probably ancho - harbin - juneau

until shima inevitably reruns

[rapid coral]

I don't have Harbin

[stable dawn]

good time to get her then. She just got a fate sim

you can use the DDG retrofits for fast exp gain

like An Shan and Chang Chun

they're also really good in higher level zones like W14 and OpSi

[rapid coral]

I'm not very close to Harbin

[stable dawn]

well you have more than enough Dragon Empery ships. Might as well level them.

[neon bronze]

how about the backline ships

[rapid coral]

I am 22 Bulin away from Max limit breaking Enough to start Harbin. At best possible speed it will be at least a month before I start.

Warspite, shinano, Amagi, Enterpirse, Haku, AVP, Ark Royal, kaludia, Unicorn, Musashi, Vanguard, FDG, Yamshiro mesta, Lutzow and Seydlitz all 125 with NJ, Joffre, Yorky II, Hiryuu, and Taihou on the way. (need chips). All Retrofits where apllicable as well.

[neon bronze]

well focus on Musashi, Shinano, Unicorn, NJ first lol. Can then fill with the rest as you play the game

[rapid coral]

Nj is only not 125 because the rerun only happened recently. If I do well in this even she should be 125 at the end when I have the chips.

then I need gear for her which... might take a bit longer. Though she can always Barrow Vanny if I need it. Best in slot for everything not auxiliary.
Honestlly really proud of my back fleets. Even the ones I know I won't let anywhere near pvp.

[hollow walrus]

If you don't have Harb, Noshiro is a better replacement imo than Ayanami

[valid oxide]

I agree with this

I used noshiro before getting Aya, got aya then switched back to noshiro before getting harb

Aya just don't do so great if her preload doesn't hit

[valid pendant]

1 point off

[velvet tapir]

If exercise attempt limit and refresh limit is removed

Means leauge easy achievemen, the AotN

[neon bronze]

regulations

[flint python]

is pvp regulations included in pvp iceberg

[lusty hill]

There's rules

[coral wren]

what would be a good fleet for fast matches vs low stat/level teams?

[flint python]

yakuza

[ocean quest]

overcapping on last day

[neon bronze]

yakuza, 3 bb
mafia if you live on a cave

[coral wren]

What does yakuza mean, sorry

Idk the terminology

[stable dawn]

click on saltyarrow's pvp doc in the pins

then click on "The Tierlist" section

[jagged depot]

I was trying Ayanami in pvp and her torp dmg impressed me

12k dmg to a NJ with a single torp

[neon bronze]

you got lucky there

[valid oxide]

Usually she doesn't even hit her torps

[plain tiger]

what is the proper strategy for pvp after season reset?

like does when you log in affect what opponents you roll

[uncut agate]

login 3-4 minutes after season starts, do a battle, logout.
login again after some time to check if someone moved.

[neon bronze]

moving ASAP:
log in just after season reset, within 2 min of start
wait a bit, one of your set (near) guaranteed to move ASAP
log in 5 min after, check list. if 120~+, eat 1. +32 to 34, depends on score
get next list, wait a while. varies; 2 min to another 5 min
if one of them moved, eat them. +30-31
rinse and repeat, next one should be +27-29
can wait a while here at 2/5 as well, get +27
then do an attack at 1/5 for +22 or 23
consistent 138-143 scores, early set.

there are some meme strategies that are viable in day 1 because yes. Have seen someone achieve 169 score from the first set alone

[lusty hill]

is it really best to use all attempts on first reset?

wouldn't it get more if you do 3 attemps and wait for next reset to get a +30 to +34

[plain tiger]

when you log in soon after season reset, are your opponents people who logged in before you?

[neon bronze]

using all attempt is fine, i reach 142 often

2/5 and 1/5 both are valid as well

it'll be decided on EoS anyway

[sturdy kraken]

best performance so far, but fell a bit short of the top 10

[whole salmon]

The usual

[winged depot]

So close yet so far to another 2600 in amagae

[zenith lantern]

You can try it if you have someone you know will move very early but it’s more consistent to rush the first few sets. At the start of the season there’s a load of players that aren’t going to pay any attention to pvp outside of the first set for weekly, simply lose fights or are only going to do it once per day. If you try bagging on day 1 you’re likely to end up with a list full of them and wall yourself.

[late heath]

You didn’t drink Kashino breastmilk and this is what happened

[winged depot]

[trail temple]

Avrora drank breastmilk and got 2600, well, the guy that got 2600 did anyway

[late heath]

[stable dawn]

[lusty hill]

[ocean quest]

is it over if i didnt move right after reset

[neon bronze]

1. bag as normal
2. eat first 3 attempts, but bag the other 2 on 2nd set.
3. use 4 exers, then at 2nd set, use the fifth so that you get rushers. idk this part, so ask Pink Sugar as for this strat

[stable dawn]

no lmao. I've got #1s with sub-130 starts

[ocean quest]

102 after 4

[neon bronze]

oh wait i misinterpreted

[zenith lantern]

5th exercise will give you 22 pts. You wait a few mins into the 2nd set until your score +22 puts you about r60-80. At that point everyone ahead of you on your list should have already moved at least one exercise so you've got a guaranteed first rusher for the set.

It's assuming you did the first part right and are around 140 score after 5. It won't work with 124 since that is probably under r300 while 140 is t10

[neon bronze]

so if I keep at 122 pts at 6/10 for about, say, 5 minutes on the 2nd set. I go to #70~ rank once I eat an exercise?

[meager oak]

Say, if Juneau is the last one alive using MSN, am I doing something wrong?

[neon bronze]

Yes

[meager oak]

While Harbin and Ancho died?

[neon bronze]

technically the ones really needing the juneau heal are the backlines, could have a match where juneau's your last bodyguard and then heals your backline enough to survive opponent backline's punishment

ancho and/or harbin could die before then, for all that is

in most cases, juneau should be either the first or second to die in a stall fleet

[meager oak]

isn't the vg in MSN a stall one?

[neon bronze]

yes

[meager oak]

so I'm doing it wrong then

.....should I put her in front?

[hollow walrus]

Wait what are you running on your vanguard anyway

Like equips

Usually you adjust Juneau's auxes

[neon bronze]

No, offtank

[meager oak]

I'm EVA coping~

D25 Harbin, d29 ancho

[neon bronze]

All eva auxes. No speed

[meager oak]

Boilers?

[neon bronze]

Since the Aurora Noctis rerun upcoming. Invest in a Teatorp for Harbin. Get the black aux torp ASAP

Then yeah. Boiler + black torp aux on Harbin, Boiler+Gyro or Double Gyro on Juneau

Manjuu + Kicks on Ancho. Slap the Beaver on NJ

[meager oak]

Black torp.... Noctis shop?

[neon bronze]

Yes, farmable as well iirc

[ocean quest]

dropped in d1

[meager oak]

if I don't have manjuu and kicks, can I use the same gears?

[neon bronze]

Manjuu, just MLB the Yorktowns
Kicks, farm 60 stages in Passionate Polaris SP War archive d3

[meager oak]

[ocean quest]

is pearl worth dropping for a boiler 🤔

without shima

[neon bronze]

Oh yeah, forgot about the Pearl lol

am sleepy

kicks + manjuu 4 ancho
blacj torp + pearl 4 harbin
double gyro or boiler + gyro 4 juneau, choose which.

[zenith lantern]

It probably won't even be 5 mins, 2 maybe 3 at most.

[boreal comet]

Demn forgot about that

[torpid shuttle]

why am i playing caked fleets at 10/10 start of season

[neon bronze]

Gaming

[stable dawn]

it's monday, the eos players forgot to change back to their meme fleets

[trail temple]

I always use an ass fleet, gotta do something for the avroran community

[stable dawn]

ass fleet is mega based

[trail temple]

The fleet is also ass

[stable dawn]

[scenic tendon]

How to pvp?

I mean, actual pvping

[stable dawn]

go outside and raise your fists

[scenic tendon]

done

next step?

[stable dawn]

wait for the combat music

[scenic tendon]

okay

[brazen socket]

there will be a tricky gimmick that could mess up your runs called the police, you can get the hang of it and dodge them and win

[neon bronze]

so true. Also watch out for the gangs

[fresh beacon]

whats a good BB team in pvp without vangy

[stable dawn]

who what

[uncut agate]

check the tierlist in pins, it has like 3 BB fleets for pvp

[pseudo copper]

Vanguard?

[neon bronze]

musashi - nj - fdg
other options for 3rd bb include tamaki, seydlitz, biszwei (copium)

why not include vanguard there though unless if you wanna run fdg

[fresh beacon]

i missed vangy

could agir or brest be used as a subtitute for anchorage for now cause of me fumbling and using catchup on AvP when i had implacable

[neon bronze]

well can just substitute with fdg for similar performance.

[neon bronze]

Dev10 Anchorage can do the tanking job just fine

[fresh beacon]

thats nice, anchorage truly is rather flexible

so ancho when im finished grinding ply exp with a single british ship (a very good idea) juneau and ayanami cause no shima

[tacit fox]

Clem good for pvp?

[neon bronze]

:pepega:

[pseudo copper]

Rather than flexible, her skillset just broken, do work on her regardless, last major tanking buff at dev 25

[gusty cipher]

now since harbin has fate is she better than shima or the tierlist stays the same for the doc file?

[pseudo copper]

Harbin fate changed nothing other than her barrage and slight stats

[gusty cipher]

ogei

ty

[steel coral]

crazy that people still think fatesim gonna be like retrofit levels of improvement

[stable dawn]

+1 FP
+4 LCK

[lusty hill]

wait till they release fatesim 2

[torpid shuttle]

cos of PR4

MP and AvP got so much

[tacit fox]

pr1 augment mods when

[lusty hill]

Monarch augment will make her barrage proc 100% and enemy hit by her barrage take 50% more damage from BB and it also reveal cv

[brazen socket]

and also gives 15% eva rate to backline

[stable dawn]

more likely we get Monarch META or Monarch II at that point

[fresh beacon]

is a backline of bistwo (when the blackhole is slightly closer to attackers side) musashi (maybe NJ?) and fdg good enough for defense?

[junior beacon]

Literally anything is good enough for defense because defense gives you nothing

[fresh beacon]

other than making people suffer

[meager oak]

To make people suffer you just use hiryuu + enty with manjuu

that and stupidly tough vg

[brazen socket]

maybe if they give you a defense history log would it matter

only see the suffering when you're in high ladder and your comps unique and hard lol

[ocean quest]

realistically you're only gonna wall newbies/weaker players

[fresh beacon]

they really should give a penalty or even just a history log on defense

[brazen socket]

the best defense fleet is whatever is you're running on offense cause why would you go anything else to be honest

[valid oxide]

The best defence fleet is a lolibote fleet

(I overcapped because of deathkt Yakuza defence fleet once )

[lusty hill]

Yakuza

[wicked surge]

Sucks

[pseudo copper]

Dw, not as bad as Beth losing to pve Bisshit

[pseudo copper]

Bisshit is shit

Just giving away free wins

[valid oxide]

Yeah i only lost to what was probably pve gear Yakuza

[buoyant parrot]

[brazen socket]

Honestly if it werent for anchorage she would be so cracked rn

[stable dawn]

👀

[hollow walrus]

skills looking promising for off-tank replacement no?

[fickle echo]

META being meta?!

[steel coral]

nah run her as tank to proc 3rd skill torp spam

[brazen socket]

She looks good for stall to be honest

[hollow walrus]

does her 3rd skilll torp launch on death blow trigger the 1st skill torp barrage?

[steel coral]

meta mecha meta

[fickle echo]

@lusty hill Your new Shima is here

[brazen socket]

I think she would be a new shima assistant rather than a new shima

Maybe even better than harbin

[fickle echo]

Shhh, let Serenity cope

[brazen socket]

You're right, my bad

[steel coral]

would need shima offtank for the 25% boost

[brazen socket]

Why off tank?

[steel coral]

jinstuu needs to fire first to buff vanguard torp

if you want to focus preload

[stable dawn]

no preload?

[brazen socket]

She has preload

[brazen socket]

Ah

I suppose her being middle and zombie could justify her enough to put shima off tank

Would need to see how good the barrage is first though

[hollow walrus]

I'm still curious if her 3rd skill double torp launch triggers the torp barrage twice from her 1st?

[stable dawn]

just put her front slot

ancho off tank

ez

[lusty hill]

Jintsuu meta shimakaze killer

[fickle echo]

What Ancho? it's time for 3 blacktorp meta

Wrong ping

[fickle echo]

.

[lusty hill]

she unironically seems broken to buff ayanami and harbin

[brazen socket]

It would

[stable dawn]

harbin isn't IJN

[brazen socket]

Do you guys think jintsuu meta could revive zoomer frontline

[stable dawn]

[hollow walrus]

jintsuu meta gonna revive torp meme frontlines

[brazen socket]

She would probably replace harbin unless her torps so good that she can replace shima and keep in harbin

Could probably be used in msn to stall out longer

[fickle echo]

If the new UR is meta and a backline I'm gonna try an USSless fleet again

[stable dawn]

I-400

[tacit fox]

jintsuu meta looks like a godsend for non shima havers (me)

[hollow walrus]

would require Shima for MSN since she's not IJN

[brazen socket]

Oh right, shinanos 3 ijn buff

[steel coral]

I'm guessing the first skill refers to specifically torps fired from her gear which would be different from the torps fired from the thrid skill dpesite being physically the same

unless it does count in which case pog

[stable dawn]

realistically she's just Birmingham but with double torp launch on death

[brazen socket]

If her barrage numbers are rly good she will have a big shot

[steel coral]

I use birmi so

[hollow walrus]

from the wording of the skill it seems like it's her own torps and not a torp barrage

[stable dawn]

[hollow walrus]

@deep hemlock Curious but is there a way to check if the torp launch from 3rd skill triggers her 1st skill in the datamine?

[deep hemlock]

uhh who is this for

[fickle echo]

[hollow walrus]

Jintsuu META

[deep hemlock]

tbh i'm not sure

[hollow walrus]

Aight thanks. Will have to test it ingame then.

[deep hemlock]

is there any ship with same skill ish

[hollow walrus]

Am not sure

[deep hemlock]

i think harbin do

let me check if it exact same

actually nvm it's diff

[deep hemlock]

tell me the result later

[hollow walrus]

that requires to get Jintsuu META first tho

[deep hemlock]

i'll ask somehow who know later

[hollow walrus]

Thanks

[steel coral]

naganami is similar torp wise but doesn't have barrage

[stable dawn]

naganami

[neon bronze]

META being meta?

At least it ain't a KMS ship

[trail temple]

Messenger app overlay?

[lusty hill]

since ayanami has higer rld than jintsuu meta does that mean they won't sync other than preload?

[fickle echo]

Ayanami surving to fire a 2nd time

[steel coral]

goldburn

[lusty hill]

my ayanami does

[trail temple]

Yeah, so does mine

[stable dawn]

@light crystal yo do you think Jintsuu META will make aya actually good?

[light crystal]

she will always be good in bed

[trail temple]

I tried it on Famine's fleet and she got 2 waves off generally, occasionally a third if I get bad rng

[stable dawn]

I mean, that's a given

but I'm thinking Jintsuu front, aya mid, shima back

torpmemes returns

[steel coral]

amagi to dodge teatorp

[stable dawn]

inb4 IJN UR is Amagi II

[hollow walrus]

[whole salmon]

Heh

Jintsuu Meta looks interesting

Hmm, she is Meta

So doesn’t count towards Shinano’s IJN req

Mhm so Shima still needed in MSN

Perhaps an offense oriented fleet without Shinano

[flint python]

so

yakuza

[brazen socket]

yakuza revival

[steel coral]

gridman

[valid oxide]

She looks like the death of ayanami

oh wait that already happens 3 seconds into the fight

Her zombie skill looks cool though and could make for interesting gear builds with pearl

Actually nvm they'd just be standard sandwich torp ship builds

[winged depot]

A meta I have to raise again

[valid oxide]

Poor veston

[hidden robin]

when 1 Juneau is not enough, they gotta add a 2nd one

[neon bronze]

Juneau II Confirmed????

Hasta la vista baby

[fickle echo]

What Juneau II? Jintsuu META is Hiryuu vanguard mode

[brazen socket]

Juneau II? Where's the part where jintsuu meta heals the entire fleet

[fickle echo]

The part where there's a bug that doesn't get fixed right away

[torpid shuttle]

lol shinano

almost lost to a rando

[light crystal]

tf is this

[valid oxide]

Should I farm warchive for blacktorps

[hollow walrus]

[ancient raptor]

I hope they will add them in some shop.

[valid oxide]

So has warchive made asw torp obsolete barring for ships like Juneau which don't want blacktorp

[neon bronze]

Overcapped to wish you a Merry Christmas and happy new year

it is september 1

[valid oxide]

You are early

Remind me in 15 minutes

[neon bronze]

whenever i see boys and girls
selling lanterns on the street

[lusty hill]

how much print I need to craft a black torp?

[neon bronze]

25

[lusty hill]

[stable dawn]

black torp is 15

[lusty hill]

which one is it

[lusty hill]

quick farm

I only need 2 copies right?

maybe 3 if I use jintsuu meta

[stable dawn]

get 6 so you can flex on people with a full black torp vg

[valid oxide]

I'm gonna use JintM as a cope shima replacement

[light crystal]

No one used a Dev 30 Kearsarge yet?

[midnight stirrup]

Is my fleet ok

[hollow walrus]

what's your dock?

I'd replace Helena with Noshiro/Ayanami/Harbin

[midnight stirrup]

I don't have any of those, I could share my dock tho

[fickle echo]

Hiryuu>Enty and FDG and Harbin are better than Bis2 and Helena

[hollow walrus]

hmm what torp vanguard do you have if you don't have Noshi/Aya/Harbin.

[fickle echo]

He's from LE so I doubt there's many options for him

[hollow walrus]

the easiest one to get has to be Aya

maybe Noshi from WA?

[fickle echo]

Noshiro+Juneau is better from what me and Aldarn tried there

[hollow walrus]

Ig Yukikaze works as well

[fickle echo]

What dev level is your Friedrich?

[hollow walrus]

FdG, NJ, Hiryuu
Anchorage, Yukikaze, Juneau
would be his best ig?
assuming dev30 FdG at least

[midnight stirrup]

26

[hollow walrus]

yeah focus on devving FdG

[midnight stirrup]

I am

[fickle echo]

Bis2 is still your better option right now then

[hollow walrus]

wait do you have Hiryuu?

[midnight stirrup]

no lol

[fickle echo]

For now replace Enty with Independence and Helena with Otto

[midnight stirrup]

ok thanks, then I'll work on hiryuu meta

[hollow walrus]

no not Hiryuu META

[fickle echo]

Both Enty and Helena needs too much RNG to do anything

[hollow walrus]

normal Hiryuu

[midnight stirrup]

huh

the purple one?

[hollow walrus]

yeah

[fickle echo]

Yes

[midnight stirrup]

o ok

[fickle echo]

Only the purple one has the invincibility skill

And she has a retro so her being purple isn't a big deal

[hollow walrus]

she also can be retro'd

[midnight stirrup]

oh I didn't know

alrighty

wait I do have her mlb, I was confusing her with someone else

[hollow walrus]

in the long term would Otto or Yuki be better for him as the sandwich?

[fickle echo]

Right now Otto is better because she's higher level

[midnight stirrup]

Hopefully I can get shimakaze but idk when she'll be back

[hollow walrus]

Shima's gonna prob be a while

[fickle echo]

You can get Jintsuu META soon and she looks very good

[hollow walrus]

raising her skills is gonna be a slight pain. made slightly easier due to meta skill books

[midnight stirrup]

I'll definetly build her, but it'll take a while yeah

[hollow walrus]

also other than ships what's important as well is your gear

what gear are you running?

[midnight stirrup]

pve stuff, should I share them all

I'll share the 4 I'm not replacing

[hollow walrus]

Juneau wants a DD gun. give the kicks to Anchorage

[fickle echo]

Have you unlocked the other gear from memento? The Manjuu damage control and pearl tears are very important if you wanna try PvP

[midnight stirrup]

I haven't gotten those

[median herald]

hey guys do i rainbow torp or quad torp on harbin

[hollow walrus]

teatorps for pvp

[fickle echo]

The ones from gearlab

[hollow walrus]

either teatorps or the uss mag torps

[fickle echo]

You use them together with the auxiliary that drops from D1 stage in Aurora noctis

[median herald]

let's say i don't competitive pvp and i don't wanna change gears from pve, which is slightly better

or does it not matter

[fickle echo]

This one probably works for PvE too and you can try using it without the auxiliary for torps

[hollow walrus]

if harbin is in mob fleet for pve in OpSi does it really matter if she has teatorps + black torp?

don't think it would matter that much right

unless she isn't in mob

[median herald]

doesn't it shoot straight tho

[midnight stirrup]

Who should I put those on, if I'm running indi, bis, nj, anchor, otto, juneau for now

[fickle echo]

Manjuu on Anchorage and Pearl on Otto

[hollow walrus]

ancho. some people do run nj manjuu

[midnight stirrup]

alright

[fickle echo]

You'll also need 2 of these for your BBs or they are gonna be too slow to fire

[midnight stirrup]

That does seem real good, where to I get that

[hollow walrus]

research

do you also have uh another of the AA that you put on BisZ

or like the upgrade to that

[midnight stirrup]

a hazemeyer? no

only 1

[hollow walrus]

if you have give it to NJ as well

[fickle echo]

Also get these guns from gear lab to replace the ones you're using right now, they're too slow for PvP too

[midnight stirrup]

o ok, I'm going to make note of these things because they'll take a while to upgrade

[hollow walrus]

wait since we just had an event where the FdG gun was dropped in D3 (bisZ event), do you think FdG gun would be a great intermediary for now?

[fickle echo]

You can get one of the rainbow one using prototype cores on this shop

[midnight stirrup]

oh nice

[fickle echo]

Maybe, if it's only on one of the BBs it's probably good enough but on both the damage they do to backlines will probably decrease too much

@midnight stirrup Do you have this gun or enough prints to craft it?

It should be better than the one you're using on NJ right now and you can use it until you get the gold AP gun from gearlab

[midnight stirrup]

tbh I don't even see it in the crafting menu and I don't have one

[fickle echo]

Then just keep the ones you're using for now

You can get it from gearlab too but it's better if you instead save resources and get the other gun I showed you first since it's way better

[midnight stirrup]

I'll try to get those

[fickle echo]

Btw I have a unrelated question, did you find an active guild already? I saw some guilds on LE were dying already

[midnight stirrup]

I'm not in any guild, no

[fickle echo]

Wanna join ours? We have the only people who care about PvP lol

[midnight stirrup]

Sure :D

[fickle echo]

Apply to the Church of Shimakaze who has Lil Deathkt as the leader

Your ign is also bednap, right?

[midnight stirrup]

it is

ok I sent

[hollow walrus]

poaching lil E players

[elfin saddle]

Uh

Please no-

I'd rather stay alive...

[midnight stirrup]

also about this, isn't beaver tag better than kicks?

[hollow walrus]

you run beaver tag on your backline usually

actually yeah you run beaver tag on the backline and have Manjuu + kicks on anchorage

[fickle echo]

Accepted you already. Join our discord later, it's in the guild description

[midnight stirrup]

alright thanks :)

[midnight stirrup]

got it

[hollow walrus]

is there even any other guilds on LE that care about PvP as much as church of shima

[junior beacon]

I didn't even know pvp guilds were a thing

[steel coral]

Literally only 5 baggers and all are church of shima

[hollow walrus]

yeah isn't bagging in Lil E real pain a bit?

[fickle echo]

"Bagging on LE"

[zenith lantern]

It’s pretty easy, you just forget about pvp until reset then do your 5

[fickle echo]

You can't bag if there's no one to get a bonus from

[hollow walrus]

[ocean quest]

sniping time

[midnight stirrup]

I've been bagged

[fickle echo]

[stable dawn]

kidnap meta

[valid oxide]

JintM looking good so far hmm? Which part

[fickle echo]

3s invincibility and double torpedo launch when dying

[valid oxide]

So would ancho jintM harb be viable

[neon bronze]

cute and funny poaching a new lil E player

real

[steel coral]

[brazen socket]

as a semi-aggro comp yes

probably

but we wont fully know how good she will truly be until... 3 weeks later

so stay tuned

[flint python]

let's ditch ancho

[neon bronze]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/528197562998718474/1118649293964849274/Ii.gif

[spiral owl]

Bagging meta on lil E is pretty fun, you keep bagging until you accidentally overcap on week 2 but you still make eos anyway since pvp is dead and 2560 is highest rn

[stable dawn]

Amagi was once a 2560 server, give it time

[hollow walrus]

how long do you think it'll take until Lil E gets its first 2600

[steel coral]

Took amagi like what

3 and a half years?

[whole salmon]

There’s 2 train of thoughts currently

• Jintsuu Meta serves as the 3rd slot in frontline

• And Jintsuu Meta serves as a Shima substitute

She could be quite viable in both positions

However there might be some exceptions if there are ship requirements

Like for MSN with Shinano’s 3 IJN req

So she would be more effective in Yakuza or triple BB

The other thing of note is that if you want to maximize her buff, she would have to fire her torps earlier than Shima

Ofc if you don’t have Shima, no need to concern yourself with this

Or if you do have Shima, you could still choose to ignore this buff and have it work for Shima’s barrages instead of torp launches

[neon bronze]

serenity's new toy

pretty neat if that were the case, worth dropping Harbin for Jintsuu META though?

[lusty hill]

i would drop anchorage for jintsuu meta

opponent anchorage won't matter if all my vanguard manage to snipe their backline

[flint python]

snipe manjuu nj

[brazen socket]

Torp meme meta revival

[whole salmon]

Jintsuu was still strong during triple torp meta days

Just that Ancho’s release among other changes reduced their effectiveness

Jintsuu Meta is basically Jintsuu with less damage for more survivability

Which tbh now that I think about it, she is more similar to a Noshiro than she is to a Jintsuu

[steel coral]

just got word from the boys in the lab and they say a new T0 is on it's way

[hollow walrus]

[stable dawn]

[brazen socket]

Why perseus and that musashi gun

Wtf we rly r on torp meme revival

Ohh wait that swordfish

I'm starting to see the vision

Slow down vanguard so they eat toro

Torp*

Never seen that mushi gun though

[flint python]

[stable dawn]

should use gunless musashi instead

fastest reload

[flint python]

Kii tech

more torp meme

don't tell the higher ups

[stable dawn]

but nard is a higher up

[flint python]

[steel coral]

nah Kii is for jp anni when we get ijn torp boat and everyone runs musashi/kii/hiei

[tacit fox]

hiei??

[whole salmon]

Inb4 they actually releases Kii as the 4th of Yamato class

30% complete might qualify for UR nowadays

[brazen socket]

don't worry there will be a cv with preload and fleet carrier with aquila damage to further boost torp damage

[stable dawn]

can't wait for next UR to be so strong that Kearsarge becomes obsolete before anyone gets her to dev30

[brazen socket]

(The new ur turns out to synergize with kearsarge and they dominate the meta together)

she will also synergize with yorktown 2

MSN but make it murica

[hollow walrus]

[stable dawn]

if the new UR was that strong we'd have to somehow have something more powerful than either NJ, Musashi, or Shinano

[brazen socket]

yep

[flint python]

I've seen lots of jp peeps predicting Enty 2 or Midway

[lusty hill]

It's gonna be Lexington 2 or any of the Essex class UR

[flint python]

[fickle echo]

Lexington II is gonna be a SSR in the Laffey II UR event

[native crescent]

I'm tired of being gated by lack of gold bulins. Anyone wanna help me slap together a fleet to climb?

I'm currently in the 1,500s and the 80 merit per win isn't the business.

[ocean quest]

#pvp message try that first

[native crescent]

Damn, I don't have Musashi, or, Shimakaze.

[ocean quest]

you can get by without them, restarting and attacker advantage can fix subpar fleets

[hollow walrus]

What's your dock looking like

Send your dock here

[native crescent]

Should I filter SR and UR only?

[hollow walrus]

Filter rarity then split by vanguard and main

[native crescent]

Shoot, should I make it a thread? LOL

[ocean quest]

gridman?

[hollow walrus]

Nah you can't make threads here and it's fine. Uh hmm

Do you have Hiryuu retro?

[native crescent]

Yeah, I think so.

Nevermind, halfway done.

[hollow walrus]

I see Hiryuu META but not normal Hiryuu

[native crescent]

I think I have the materials to complete it. I've been busy trying to build Frenchies for Booba's experience grind, so, all my resources been kinda tapped.

[native crescent]

Is that a thing in PVP? I fought a few fleets and it seemed kinda effective.

[ocean quest]

havent used it myself so

[native crescent]

I normally just slot ships that I want to give extra experience to on the side, but, the 80 merit per win is annoying and I kinda wanna get better rewards to build gold bulins faster.

[ocean quest]

heard its a cope interesting comp

[wicked surge]

Grind man is a meme

[ocean quest]

well with that roster

[native crescent]

Are the gains that significant when you crack top 1,000, or, higher?

Maybe I'm just wasting more resources and time...

[ocean quest]

its on the wiki

[hollow walrus]

Eh for now you can focus on leveling up Noshi as your torp vanguard

Your vanguard would be like Anchorage, Noshiro, Juneau

[native crescent]

I guess +10 more would be nice, but, top 10 seems out of the question.

[hollow walrus]

Backline your options are going mafia (Nj, Aquila, VV), NJ Hiryuu FdG or be like me who runs FdG, NJ, Tamaki

[pseudo copper]

AotN is ez

[native crescent]

IDK, I'm missing pretty much everything pre-Implacable.

Musashi and Shimakaze look like staples in higher ranked PVP.

[hollow walrus]

For now your best fleet is something like FdG, Indep, NJ/BisZ for now. I'd replace Indep with Hiryuu, Tamaki or Aquila later on (Preferably the first two)

Eh for ranking top 10 at EoS you can still do it without them. Slightly harder sure but it's not like you can't reach a high score at the end without them both

[ocean quest]

theyre skippable if u have other good units

[hollow walrus]

I said BisZ because she's higher leveled but NJ is def better than her in pvp so once you 125 her replace BisZ

[native crescent]

Anyone else I can use instead of Noshiro? It's going to take a while to accumulate GBs to MLB her.

[scenic tendon]

Duca, Harbin, Yukikakze or even Kazagumo, Agir.

[hollow walrus]

Ayaya if you have 0 gold bulins

[native crescent]

Ayanami?

[hollow walrus]

Ye

[native crescent]

Cool. Thanks, everyone.

[hollow walrus]

Actually for now the best you can do is prob Otto for now

[native crescent]

I'd rather slot someone that can gain experience. Probably gonna use Duca, for now.

[hollow walrus]

If you want to seriously win for merit then I'd take otto instead. Xp from pvp is kind of minor

[steel coral]

hit him up with the lil e special
fdg/nj/hiryuu ancho/harbin/juneau

[native crescent]

I don't have Harbin, unfortunately.

Probably won't for a while. I need like 80 tech points.

[pseudo copper]

All in guild shop

[hardy jacinth]

can someone whip up a comp that will get me to < 1000

defense and offense

[valid oxide]

Defence is irrelevant unless you want to wall new players

[hardy jacinth]

ok offense then no URs before impla release

except NJ

current set up is
impla bis2 nj
agir juneau plymouth(dev27)

[steel coral]

@hardy jacinth

[hardy jacinth]

no harbin as well

[valid oxide]

Then use JintM

[hardy jacinth]

asdf

asF
AWRgwrg

[neon bronze]

gotta farm for it

[flint python]

[whole salmon]

Finally a new pvp player who realized that actually winning fights give you more merits

I here the whole “I play pvp just for merit lol so I use weak comps and just lose fights but I get free exp” way too often

Even tho free exp from 15 fights per day isn’t a whole lot tbh

[hollow walrus]

If you have Noshiro, use her instead of Agir or Plymouth

Frontline would be Anchorage, Noshi/Yukikaze/Ayanami, Juneau

then backline would be NJ, FdG, Hiryuu

[stable dawn]

[midnight stirrup]

I just got pearl tears, who do I give it to

[hollow walrus]

torp sandwich

so Otto

[midnight stirrup]

thanks

I have goldburn and repair kit on, which should I replace

[fickle echo]

Repair kit isn't useful in pvp because the heal from it isn't enough to save a vanguard from dying

Meanwhile the reload from gold burn is useful

[midnight stirrup]

Also I got Hiryuu retrofitted, but she needs levels

[torpid shuttle]

was ibuki any good

[stable dawn]

she was viable a long time ago but never great

[hardy jacinth]

why fdg tho

[hollow walrus]

NJ and FdG are better than Bis Zwei in pvp

[delicate mango]

Or just use mafia for best wr condition for pvp

[lusty hill]

Yakuza would have higher winrate than mafia

[trail temple]

Believe in the Aoste tech and Mafia will have the highest winrate

[serene epoch]

I hate how bonus score work.
Just beat rank 100- and I was at 700+
Only +11

[ocean quest]

+11 is nice

you get +1 per every 35 points of difference

#pvp message

heres the table with everything

[neon bronze]

800-900 rank difference between you and your target is probably a telltale sign of +12

[ocean quest]

depends how close to the reset

[neon bronze]

to be safe. compare your target's scores to t100 rank guy, then extrapolate a bit

[ocean quest]

yea no way to check opponents exact points if theyre below 100

[serene epoch]

Yep, but I do not want to get out of 1000

[ocean quest]

[neon bronze]

for merit's sake...

[hollow walrus]

wait why?

also I see a Lexi player

[ocean quest]

you will just go back there if u fall below

[neon bronze]

you and him are guildies

[hollow walrus]

I forgot kek

[neon bronze]

kekw

[ocean quest]

[serene epoch]

Get less currency, I do it for bullins. Sitting in top 10 just a nice bonus

[serene epoch]

Is that strange tho?
I muted that channel for a while

[fickle echo]

Sir Rogro

[neon bronze]

is he a good rusher?

[serene epoch]

What?

[fickle echo]

I see you on the leaderboard sometimes but never thought you were here on ALO

[fickle echo]

I don't remember, barely rolled him

[serene epoch]

I'm primary writing in #gameplay-help

Don't think I ever wrote here before today actually

[fickle echo]

[neon bronze]

i c then...

[fickle echo]

I saw you talked about defense fleets there, is there any of them you though it was challenging besides Phink?

[serene epoch]

Hmm? If I remember correct that was few days ago, right?
I guess I just made 1st best example of somehow ”challenging” fleet for one newbie

[fickle echo]

Oh, you meant for newbies

[serene epoch]

For context #gameplay-help message

And my answer mentioned by Ari #gameplay-help message

[fickle echo]

Quad gun in pvp

[stable dawn]

[neon bronze]

yo wtf. That oil

Gib

No, donate

[serene epoch]

Claim your mails)

[neon bronze]

i only have around 3 mails with oil at most atm