pvp

[stable dawn]

mecha bad confirmed

[fickle echo]

All the torps it launches have the same pattern as quad/quint mag so it won't hit the backline most of the time

The Mecha is like a Duca on steroids

It probably would be able to deal decent damage to the backline if only it lasted long enough to hit them at close range

[flint python]

thats why i just use swordfish to aid mech torps

[valid oxide]

818?

[flint python]

dyeah

too bad the plane itself is shitty stats wise

and no intercept

[valid oxide]

I'll prob still just use wyvern on chise

Also what's current rikka gear looking like?

[flint python]

[valid oxide]

Also double blacktorp

[flint python]

ill take it for a bit extra hit

[tacit fox]

new meta?

[flint python]

the higher ups will silence you

[tacit fox]

the gridman mafia won't let this get out??

[mystic bane]

isn't she supposed to use the unique gear

[pseudo copper]

This is #pvp

[steel coral]

MSN bad

[fickle echo]

NArd is griding

[steel coral]

don't let the higher ups know 🕵️

[pseudo copper]

@higherup NArd breaking your lies apart

[flint python]

nard bout to lead the resistance

[sour oasis]

It's been a few months since I noticed, but are backline ships easier to hit now? Is that a gameplay mechanic update or are people no longer using washing machines?

[pseudo copper]

We used hit + eva gear

But no, nothing really changed other than KMS simps trying to force Bisco 2 to work

[neon bronze]

[torpid shuttle]

agh idk if i overcapped or went from 5 -> 10

[pseudo copper]

Check your pace

[delicate mango]

[tranquil basin]

Guys Can i ask, Why My rank Stuck on Captain Rank?

[stable dawn]

what's your score

[tranquil basin]

1065

Maybe

[stable dawn]

[tranquil basin]

I can't Up again. Stuck On Captain

[pseudo copper]

Blurring out your score/rank is meaningless but short answer is you missed fights

Considering score you missed like 80 fights or so ig

Or 10 a day + losses/more overcaps

[tranquil basin]

😱, i Lose Maybe 4-8 lose

No 10 or more

[pseudo copper]

Add that to missing 5 a day

So that's 50 + 4/8 losses, so you might've overcapped more or lost more

[static tartan]

Something is missing for you

[neon bronze]

[empty mesa]

Sikrit Captain.

[fickle echo]

https://youtu.be/HdYuxCzRFME

I just accepted this fleet's goal is to kill the vanguard and this lead me to some questionable gear choices, somehow it worked better than expected

[tacit owl]

I wonder, wouldn't it be better if the enemy had manjuu ancho to test? Since it feels like enemy vanguard dies so quick but (didn't watch this video complete yet) in your first video seemed like enemy main fleet could still be a problem with chise in main

Or do you test against manjuu NJ because it's easier to test against?

[fickle echo]

No idea if it makes that much difference, around the end I win one of the fights were Rikka dies before even summoning the Mecha and I still won because the Manjuu NJ on the other side died somehow

I tested against other fleets with Manjuu Anchorage but most of them were Bis2/Mafia/MK7 NJ/460 Musashi

[tacit owl]

Well since enemy vanguard dies so quickly 8 seconds seems rather much. Especially since iirc there was one try where enemy vanguard survived long for some reason and iirc you would have lost that one

So that's where that thought came from

[fickle echo]

There were also lots of fights were Shima survived way more than she should as the last vanguard so even if Anchorage was there with Manjuu it wouldn't help

But just the fact Shima could even stay alive that long when I was doing everything to kill the vanguard places this fleet lower than 3BB FDG for sure

[tacit owl]

Interesting. I thought manjuu ancho would make a bigger difference than it actually does then. I wonder if you could maybe swap out ancho for something that deals more DMG to the vanguard then?

But I assume if you did that the fights would be more inconsistent at best

[stable dawn]

attacker bonus is huge anyway

realistically as long as you have proper gear and aren't a bozo you should have at least a 90% WR on any decent fleet

[fickle echo]

I tried Noshiro but it insta losses to any preload CV

[valid oxide]

Could replacing ancho with an eagle union DPS work if it needs to kill vanguard faster

Then again I don't really know any EU vanguard that has anywhere near significant frontloaded DPS

[fickle echo]

https://youtu.be/VLcnzUOtDTw

Attack only fleet

[stable dawn]

opposite of bisko

[valid oxide]

but can it counter bisko?

[fickle echo]

Oksib

[valid oxide]

I was gonna suggest manjuu na2 but na2 only slows when flag is a USS CV

[light crystal]

wtf, if using mag torps, y not use rainbow dildos instead of black ones?

[fickle echo]

Hit stat, if it misses it's gonna deal 0 damage

[light crystal]

[torpid shuttle]

yall can approx gearing right

cos im being gated

[fickle echo]

You're using MSM against MSN but you got no Shima so your Shinano won't get the buff from her 3rd skill

If you wanna use Shinano you have to replace Harbin with some IJN ship

[torpid shuttle]

saw that tierlist recced it ok

and i dont feel like using aya

raising* aya

[fickle echo]

There's still Noshiro and Yuki

[torpid shuttle]

i can both, but are they better

i know shina is only 3 IJN

i meant i have both 125able cos im old

[fickle echo]

Noshiro at least will also protect your vanguard for torps if even if she fails to hit her own torps, Yukikaze is the same but with protecting the backline and she also get a buff from Shinano at the same time

[torpid shuttle]

how about wakat's 2s invuln

[fickle echo]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1064232037797597324/1064400123133693972/Screenshot_20230116-0125322.png

Yukikaze+Shinano worked when I tried it back then before Musashi

[torpid shuttle]

i see

[stable dawn]

MSN Supremacy

[zenith lantern]

Just use Hiryuu instead of Shinano and you don't need 3 IJN anymore

[torpid shuttle]

would noshi be a torp aux + pearl gamer

[fickle echo]

I think she's better with pearl+boiler because she's a CL so she's slower than a DD

[torpid shuttle]

wasnt the same for harbin

[fickle echo]

And she also doesn't have that much hp

[torpid shuttle]

o well ill do that

[steel coral]

[stable dawn]

[fickle echo]

[steel coral]

every ship in this fleet got some wack gear

[tawny parcel]

Is fdg's barrage couldnt reach the enemy backline?

[torpid shuttle]

rng cos aimed

[steel coral]

bricking your account with fs5 fdg

[tacit owl]

[flint python]

try nelson penant aux and buldge

what I'm running rn

[deft escarp]

Just brick by cutting off power while doing bios update

[neon bronze]

[flint python]

ok nvm nelson aux sucks

[valid oxide]

Damn the only ones with frontloaded damage are DDs and they are nothing special

Or like, the Omaha's but they also suck

My conclusion is that anchorage is irreplaceable even in gridmeme

Unless we cope for tank Harbin and harb smoke

[valid oxide]

Unless Seattle can do more damage than anchorage and her off-tank DR carries over when she gets moved to tank position by rikka

But it's cope at best

[flint python]

seattle sucks

[valid oxide]

At this point I'm just trying to think if there is literally anything that can kill the VG faster than anchorage without fucking consistency but I don't think there is

Unless like lindompt is higher damage but I somehow doubt

Even then lindompt doesn't look all too consistent

Oh well, ancho truly exceptional

[fickle echo]

Avrora with fairy magic worked with Shima+Harbin but it doesn't work with Gridman because they're too slow and can't snipe backlines

[flint python]

ok nelson aux noshi works all of the sudden

[fickle echo]

You probably just fighting a bad fleet

[flint python]

nah

[fickle echo]

What are you even fighting against?

[flint python]

yakuza

and msn

even run 460 musashi for max meme

[valid oxide]

Would NJ run a HE gun if it's frontline sniping

[valid oxide]

finally an achievable fleet

[deft escarp]

Investigative tech

[valid oxide]

Now I only need nelson aux, oxytorps, and a shit ton of gold bulins and coins

[valid oxide]

Does this mean I should try it?

I shouldn't, NJ still not mlb till some point next month

[fickle echo]

Are you playing on going CN?

[neon bronze]

jfc

Musashi already exists for that

[valid oxide]

It's gonna take me like 2 month to get even close to this

I need 2 oxytorp, quintmag, and chesh gun

[neon bronze]

Thanks for cheatsheet

[valid oxide]

Also that secondary on yume is the rainbow one (use imagination please)

Can't wait for noctis archive so I can start using blacktorp instead of waiting for oxytorp

[steel coral]

[dull hollow]

ok i finally fought a comp with like 3 smokers

fucking mech sucks

still funny to reset until you win tho

[flint python]

3 smokers?

[valid oxide]

If you are fighting a 3 smoker comp you ain't fighting a good comp

And if you are struggling against it you have a gear issue, skill issue, comp issue, or any combo of the above

[steel coral]

it's the car's fault I crashed

[flint python]

guys this is an agent from the higher ups

[valid oxide]

[fickle echo]

[neon bronze]

Gridman's a fun fleet

Nothing wrong with it

As long as you win.

[flint python]

[whole salmon]

In the mech mode, their torps seems to be Magnetic by default

So I don’t recommend running Quint Mag on Rikka

It seems more beneficial to capitalize off of the high burst from MKIX and Black aux (Or the USS torp from tech tree as budget) before going into mech mode

[flint python]

funny that mech 3x noshi buff as well

so is oath

Rikka best waifu confirmed

[whole salmon]

Swordfish meta based

[valid oxide]

Honestly if nosh actually ends up viable in this fleet I will be thoroughly surpised

Such a fun fleet considering it's flexibility

[dull hollow]

no on said i could count

i mean

chinese boat

counts as 2 smokes

so

im not wrong

[valid oxide]

Harb is just one smoke but it gets put in a different position after 3s

[winged depot]

[flint python]

[brazen socket]

The secret rikka meta tech the higher ups at pvp inc dont want you to know about [not clickbait working 2023]

[trail temple]

[flint python]

rip msn

don't let the higher ups fool you

[spare venture]

I wonder this fleet can defeat enty-based fleets

[candid sluice]

higher ups be gatekeeping the best fleets

[hollow walrus]

SaltyBelfast is that you?

[zenith lantern]

Nothing can beat Enty

[flint python]

only thing that beats enty is being turned into scrap metal

[rustic bridge]

This Beat enty

A Power of horny blond

[fickle echo]

SaltyBelfast is back

[rustic bridge]

I was never gone

[fickle echo]

I didn't see you here for quite some time

[rustic bridge]

Tarnmmode

[spare venture]

So, Mr saltybelfast can reach admiral of the navy?

[pseudo copper]

No one can without Shimakaze

[stable dawn]

*admiral of the anvy

[rustic bridge]

Shima is dirt

[tacit owl]

Shima is perfection

[stable dawn]

[fickle echo]

https://youtu.be/6c4doF5mik4

Looks like Gridman is better than pasta

This is the fleet that defeated a R1 player btw I still don't know how

[stable dawn]

Aoste's legacy lives on

[neon bronze]

[torpid shuttle]

none of my opponents move for like 6 hours

sometimes i just wanna rush

[neon bronze]

Sometimes, you're just that unlucky if you aren't willing to greed for bonuses with refreshes

Anyway. AotN rush will be soon, can get a good amount of bonuses.

[stable dawn]

long reset is like that. Especially during midseason

Just sleep

[rustic bridge]

Nö shima is bad

[valid oxide]

Shima is cringe when rikka exists

Or rikka is shima?

[tacit owl]

Proof she's perfection:

[rustic bridge]

No

[tacit owl]

[candid sluice]

Autobots fleet new meta??

[rustic bridge]

She is. Perfection @tacit owl

[junior trench]

Quick question. Who can replace Musashi in a Gridman fleet with NJ?

[fickle echo]

I saw CN using Vanguard

I guess if you don't have either the best option would be FDG

[junior trench]

Ok

Would Gridman actually be superior to something like NJ, FDG, Tamaki + usual frontline?

Or is Gridman more so just like a budget-esk fleet?

[fickle echo]

Gridman is made to kill the vanguard but it also means it might struggle against fleets with tanky backlines if you lack Musashi because any other ship won't do as much damage to multiple targets

[whole salmon]

Without Musashi, it would be quite troublesome

[junior trench]

Ya, unfortunately IJN hates me

[fickle echo]

You're also gonna have a backline slot locked into Chise so without Musashi triple BB should be better as long you have Harbin and Juneau for the vanguard

[valid oxide]

Bf109g and skyraider for chise if it's meant to frontline kill?

[junior trench]

Currently working on Harbin’s dev level, as I just finished with her yesterday. I’m sure after a month or two she’ll get to 30 or close to it. I’ve got Ancho and Juneau practically ready, they just need levels.

[rustic bridge]

Nj best Ur ship

[fickle echo]

Yeah, she doesn't do much damage to the backline even if you try pancake+tenrai so it's better to focus on doing damage to the vanguard instead

[rustic bridge]

Trust me she is 28/7 horny

[fickle echo]

Fake KMS simp smh

[rustic bridge]

What

[tacit owl]

She isn't Shima
Only Shima is perfection

[junior trench]

No, NJ is just a KMS ship in disguise, she just has an AA ship taped onto her

[valid oxide]

Now I only need noctis archive for blacktorp

[rustic bridge]

Shima is Bad

[junior trench]

I hate not having BlackTorp aux

[valid oxide]

Same

[tacit owl]

[rustic bridge]

@tacit owl

[tacit owl]

[rustic bridge]

OK shima is super Bad

[tacit owl]

Can't recognize perfection

[rustic bridge]

Nö she is never perfekt

[rustic bridge]

Urg

[tacit owl]

[fickle echo]

Peak pvp

[hollow walrus]

average pvp enthusiast

[ember veldt]

What's the bug for double black torp again?

[hollow walrus]

think it's already patched but basically the skill effect stacked so the second launch of torps counted as magnetic as well iirc

it only worked with the gridman mech afaik

[rustic bridge]

This make my Eugen on your shima

[tacit owl]

Nö Eugen is too weak to do it

[autumn quest]

what AA on harbin if i dont have a sextuple or the ur AA ?

[pseudo copper]

STAAG

[flint python]

ugh so close to 100k

[pseudo copper]

Just ask StaagPrince to set up 72k hp Enty for you

Ez

[flint python]

69k damage rikka

[brazen socket]

how are you even reaching these numbers in the first place what

[torpid shuttle]

skill difference

[flint python]

full torp + noshi

[ember veldt]

I like the 77 more than the rikka flex

[long scarab]

is it worth investing in the mech fleet or just keep MSN

[flint python]

just keep

[neon bronze]

Gridman Mech fleet is fun by any means

[valid oxide]

Mech fleet is fun and is still somewhat viable

[neon bronze]

though consistency-wise, MSN is king

[valid oxide]

And despite hymen now being t0, I am still changing to run mech fleet as my next fleet

[lusty hill]

Lost twice but still no 1

[pseudo copper]

How do you even lose a single pvp exercise

[lusty hill]

The pause button doesn't work

[valid oxide]

By being serenity

[pseudo copper]

[pastel jolt]

set manjuu nj just to meme, manjuu ancho is better. just so happened that ari caught the fleet at a bad time when i was changing gear around/memeing with 5x speed auxes

set my fleet to a much better variant now gearwise

[whole salmon]

Keep MSN and wait for JP anniv’s UR

[valid oxide]

bismarck drei

[lusty hill]

it will be a essex class UR

[runic sorrel]

[lusty hill]

Her skill make all USS CV gain a preload

[brazen socket]

Musashi II

[flint python]

manjuu NJ = meme manjuu ancho better!? are you from the higher ups?

[pseudo copper]

CdL is a lackey yes

[candid sluice]

Do the higher ups use manju nj??

[flint python]

you can only speculate

[stable dawn]

[flint python]

https://media.tenor.com/fvk6fH3D9IkAAAAC/shocked-black-guy-shocked.gif

[brazen socket]

Do the higher ups use double toolbox juneau

[flint python]

I heard they use double fire suppressors

[autumn quest]

I'm using fdg and nj,is it better to give one mk4 and the other 457 or both 457 ?

[lusty hill]

Both 457

[autumn quest]

You sure

[lusty hill]

There are people who use mk4 on one of them but I heard it doesn't matter

I use 457 on both and it works fine for me

You want mk4 if you don't want both of them to fire at the same time

[autumn quest]

Hiryuu got a tenrai btw

I just didnt take another SS

How is the gear ?

May higher ups answer my question

[lusty hill]

change harbin gear

use british torps with black mag and pearls

swap the torp of harbin and juneau

[autumn quest]

Wrong SS on her

[flint python]

fp aa on pvp

[lusty hill]

do you have black torp aux?

[autumn quest]

Nope

[lusty hill]

then switch the toolbox with other alternative on the pin

[flint python]

manjuu ancho smh

[lusty hill]

personally I would put rainbow torp

[dull hollow]

imagine if pvp were like Priconne.Blue archive

thie losers and winners swap ranks

[autumn quest]

Now i dunno if i should try it or wait like 2 months or so for shima rerun

[lusty hill]

2 months

[honest moon]

Whats best augment to run on msn shina? Assume im running msn against triple bb

[flint python]

eva

[neon bronze]

eva

wait, you meant augment. not gear

[autumn quest]

I gave a tenrai to hiryuu and the oxy ur aux torp to harbin instead of the toolbox,am i good to go for R1 ?

Any issues gear wise ?

[winged depot]

there's only one augment for CVs/CVLs that are not exclusive

switch the AA guns of harbin and juneau I guess, no black torp?

[autumn quest]

Nope

I need 4 BPs for one

No issues otherwise ?

[winged depot]

might as well put a +speed gear instead of toolbox

for harbin

or just do washing machine on ancho and kicks on harb

[whole salmon]

Rank 1 eos?

Having a good fleet is only part of it

How you sandbag would be the other part, which is the major part of pvp

[flint python]

getting lucky is the major part

[autumn quest]

Just reset game if you lose

[fickle echo]

"Good fleet"

[flint python]

if you have to reset then you already lost

[autumn quest]

Just reset before losing

[honest moon]

Not necessarily. I reset only when oppo has a lucky crit that takes out my frontline

[flint python]

you guys dont get it

[scenic tendon]

missing something

they updated it... again

[stable dawn]

I wonder who updated it

[scenic tendon]

yeah

like because of who

[candid sluice]

[torpid shuttle]

was it always possible to have +2?

[neon bronze]

Yes, at 71 points difference and higher.
+3 at 108 points

[torpid shuttle]

phew

[devout hearth]

Is a Mafia fleet still worth running for players without Musashi?

[neon bronze]

That and/or Weeb

Most people without Musashi opt for Hiryuu fleets at this time though

[valid oxide]

Like fake hymen?

[empty mesa]

[scenic tendon]

hy what?

[deft escarp]

[coral wren]

@pseudo copper is this you? ☠️

[valid oxide]

[tacit owl]

No that's me

Shimakaze name is perfection

Hiryuu name is Overcapped Again

[coral wren]

Lmaoo damn

[hidden robin]

lulz

[pseudo copper]

You are me though

[pseudo copper]

I only play 2 accs, Amagi and Lil E

[tacit owl]

I am cute as well

[winged depot]

[sand cape]

is +reload one of the modifiers given to vanguard ships?

[pseudo copper]

As in one of the hull mods?

No

Only reload mod I can recall is the accelerated battle when both sides vanguard die

[sand cape]

yes, thanks

[sand cape]

forgot this existed

[coral wren]

Damn someone impersonating you on Avrora 🫠

[brazen socket]

should I run kicks beaver ancho instead of manjuu beaver? I'm a bit lazy to keep swapping around manjuu

[pseudo copper]

No someone shitposting in Avrora and it is Jens

[pseudo copper]

Beaver should be on backline

So kicks manjuu

[brazen socket]

backline?

oh wait

im dum

I confused beaver and manjuu for some reason

[pseudo copper]

[neon bronze]

Kicks + Beaver, Kicks + Rudder or Double Kicks could be considered if you wanna use Manjuu NJ

But yes, follow Deathkt's suggestion. Not interested in Manjuu NJ myself

[tacit owl]

A compliment

[pseudo copper]

[brazen socket]

I was offline in the time polaris happened so I have no such luxury of double kicks

[torpid shuttle]

almost lost to mafia musashi

[flint python]

yakuza?

[stable dawn]

mafia is good guys

[near light]

It's 5 games after reset for pvp right?

[neon bronze]

yeah you get 15 exercises each day but can only keep 10 exercises

so somehow you wanna use 5 exercises per day elseyou overcap 5 exercises before each reset adds another 5 exercises

[pseudo copper]

I guess 5 = 15

[pseudo copper]

Hi ALM, how r u

[neon bronze]

brain empty

[ember parrot]

Chise or Aquila, which one is better for pvp?

[pseudo copper]

Aquila still

[neon bronze]

chise is discount aquila
aquila is just better at doing preload niche

[flint python]

Chise has a flatter flight deck

[torpid shuttle]

is an opp any amount of points below me gonna be a minus?

[pseudo copper]

Yeah, except in captain where rules of pvp break

[torpid shuttle]

unfun

[pseudo copper]

That's why bagging off baggers is a very important thing in eos, even if to just avoid -1s

[stable dawn]

don't even bag, just rush at 2m remaining

[pseudo copper]

2m is a lot of time

[coral wren]

U can PvP ?

[flint python]

lel

[pseudo copper]

Yeah, both in game and here. Though doing it here is more entertaining

[honest moon]

Any thoughts of gridman ships in pvp, esp seeing that augment gives effectively an extra life

[pseudo copper]

meme

[neon bronze]

Fun

[lusty hill]

There's gridman comp on tier 2 I think

[scenic tendon]

Overcapped 1 last season because of it

Gridman comp has a bug

I'm trying to find that gridman comp to record it again

[zenith lantern]

I might not have fought a good one yet but every time I did fight it Yume and Rika were already under 30% HP when the mech spawned. It lived all of 5s after that.

[flint python]

bug alr fixed right? what a bummer

btw what's ur attack fleet Aldarn

[honest moon]

O.o what bug lol

[zenith lantern]

For part of the season it was Yakuza but with Chise instead of Aquila and part just standard Yakuza.

[stable dawn]

Aldarn going back to Yakuza???

[flint python]

the Yakuza conspiracy

[stable dawn]

[zenith lantern]

Just giving it a run out to see how Chise with Augment was and then swapped in Aquila to compare

I run something different almost every season except the odd times when I get lazy and fall back to Seydlitz or Hiryuu for a while

[stable dawn]

fair

[neon bronze]

not much difference between Sea Hornet and Flapjack/Pancake on Aquila and Hiryuu?

[stable dawn]

Aquila is 2-2-4 so it's pretty much negligible

Chise is 2-3-3

[neon bronze]

[stable dawn]

Hiryuu is 3-2-3 apparently

[neon bronze]

so not much difference between those fighters then

[zenith lantern]

They all have advantages and disadvantages so I'd say it's down to personal preference. Tigercat is even starting to gain popularity.

[neon bronze]

damn, how so? i only see CN doing Tigercat

[stable dawn]

sea horney is faster
pancake is thiccer

tigercat is somewhere in between

[zenith lantern]

Tigercat is same flight speed as Tenrai and Wyvern, as all your planes fly together it minimises the incoming AA damage

[stable dawn]

I mean these days vanguard AA is negligible so I'd just build damage

[zenith lantern]

Flapjack is slower so your Tenrai/Wyvern take the brunt of the AA damage but in return you have the potential for higher crash damage.
Sea Hornet is faster so baits the AA damage away from your Tenrai/Wyvern

[zenith lantern]

With UR AA I'd say it's the opposite. Vanguard AA is really strong right now.

[stable dawn]

Like, Ancho Shima Harbin is not going to do much to planes. Shima usually dies pretty quickly after musashi barrage. The rest is just chip damage.

[zenith lantern]

Juneau is more popular than Harbin

[stable dawn]

really now?

[fickle echo]

I just ignored any logic and used Corsair, it worked

[zenith lantern]

Yeah, I'd say I run in to at least 2 Juneau fleets for every Harbin

[stable dawn]

Interesting

[neon bronze]

tbh after running 3 BB + Harbin, I wanna go back to using Juneau

just more consistent

[stable dawn]

I do see a lot of Juneau fleets but they're usually terrible and die pretty much instantly. I think a lot of players just don't know how to gear her well

[zenith lantern]

That's not just a Juneau thing, properly geared fleets are just a rarity in general

[fickle echo]

I see a lot of Juneau fleets that would be better without Juneau

[stable dawn]

Well a lot of the time they have the right ships and even the right basic ideas (e.g. teatorps shima) but some details were somehow lost in beteeen and the fleet just folds or has weird anti-synergy

I'm guessing a lot of people just blindly copy the gear list and don't understand what situations they apply in

[zenith lantern]

People just tend to copy the ships for the meta fleets but don't pay attention to the gear when that's probably more important than which ships you use.

[fickle echo]

There were lots of times when I wanted to test something and found a fleet that looked good, but then enemy Musashi/NJ took too long to fire and I realized what they had equipped

[zenith lantern]

If you could see gear in pvp like you can on Meta bosses I think you'd see almost everyone is using pve gear

Which is understandable, nobody wants to be swapping gear on NJ, Musashi etc every time they want to pvp

[stable dawn]

or cursed stuff like blue gun white shell musashi

[zenith lantern]

I'm exactly the same but in reverse, I just pve with my pvp gear.

[stable dawn]

same lmao

[flint python]

true

musashi is busted enough already why bother swapping

[stable dawn]

actually

does gunless musashi work?

[hidden robin]

imagine BBs were restricted to only using this gun

[lusty hill]

it doesn't trigger the enchanced barrage

[trail temple]

I found tougher competition with Harbin variants than Juneau atm, I usually blast the Juneau in the opening

[flint python]

cause people running double gyro in def

[trail temple]

Worse

[hidden robin]

double gyro is a good way to get caught by Bisko II

[flint python]

if you are fighting bismarck 2 that's free already

unless you are ALM

[trail temple]

Yeah I find more people struggle with other fleets that don't use Bisco II

[honest moon]

bisco II? here, have some aircraft

[empty mesa]

My favourite are Bisco fleets with Ply. For stronk BB damage I assume.

[candid sluice]

tier2 ship fr

[onyx niche]

is anyone noticing a bug where the bbs wouldnt fire when the last enemy remaining is a CV?

[uncut agate]

/detection

[coral wren]

Bridal Z23

Detection Level:
If the gauge hasn't been filled, your carriers gains "hidden buff", which is 10% flat AA resistance reduction to enemies (basically they deal more dmg) and they can't be chosen as a valid target (enemies BB won't attack your CV when hidden).
If the gauge has been filled, there will be an exclamation mark (!) displayed to the side of the gauge, and your carriers lose the "hidden buff". They will regain the buff when the gauge level falls below the red line.
The gauge will be slowly filled if spotted by the enemy (both planes and ships) if they crossed the detection line, when they are burning, and when launching an airstrike.
Credit: -It's Rajaku-#1817 and Newbie#1553

For more information, consult the wiki

[torpid shuttle]

that's stealth

[onyx niche]

oh wait it needs to be filled

[neon bronze]

Just like the ships you and I oathed

They deserve it

[scenic tendon]

I was bout to judge it, then I saw the name

[valid oxide]

I give up on PvP now, I am too bad sleep schedule

[lusty hill]

You can pvp while having good sleep schedule

But not sure about getting top 10 eos

[valid oxide]

I dont have a good sleep schedule

That's the probelm

I haven't slept and it's now nearly 9am

[cunning jay]

Why does musashi not need a rainbow gun?

[uncut agate]

It's too slow

[cunning jay]

i see, to speed her barrages up?

[pseudo copper]

I hope you are not referring to the Geo gun

[cunning jay]

yes... or the yamato class gun

[pseudo copper]

Read Musashi's skills

Latter already answered

if this ship has a Sakura Empire Main Gun equipped, this barrage is improved.

[brazen socket]

My juneau doesn't die fast enough and I gave her double gyro

[neon bronze]

it's like the difference between a normal and an Asian parent in terms of disciplining

[scenic tendon]

how to pvp

[cunning jay]

has there ever been a double KO in pvps?

[pseudo copper]

As in?

[cunning jay]

both players' fleet got defeated at the same time

[pseudo copper]

Don't recall ever a case of it happening, as damage stops the moment any side hits 0

And unlikely for you to lose with attacker advantage anyways

[brazen socket]

[stable dawn]

simultaneous is equivalent to loss

[lusty hill]

Happened to me once and it counts as losing

[zenith lantern]

I've lost a "tie" before. Last 2 ships, my manjuu Ancho, his manjuu NJ. His manjuu procced just before mine so I carried on the fight. His NJ dies and my Ancho dies a moment later, while NJ is still doing her death animation. I get given a loss. Definitive proof manjuu NJ > manjuu Ancho.

[delicate mango]

How to rank 1?

[empty mesa]

Get higher score than R2. Or finish before them.

[wary hound]

any lexingtons seen AoN Plasma's defense fleet? made the mistake of looking away vs him

[fickle echo]

What were you using against him?

[wary hound]

meeb w/ harbin, guess i really need to update it according to spreadsheet

gridman comp looks fun

[fickle echo]

His fleet is kinda make to counter Meeb/Weeb so you should try something with 2/3 BB instead

[wary hound]

hmm makes sense, ty

[zenith lantern]

Always seems to be Plasma walling people. Never the rest of us.

[stable dawn]

Great Wall of Plasma confirmed

[long scarab]

do you get more points beating the highest rank of the 4 options? or is it set amount

[junior beacon]

You can get additional points if your opponent has a certain amount of points more than yourself, which you can see in the chart in the pins

[long scarab]

ahh thanks ive not been restarting every fight

[neon bronze]

What fleet is Plasma running rn

[fickle echo]

He runs MSN ever since a while ago

And this is isn't the first time someone struggles against it

[neon bronze]

when I ran Meeb, I did have some trouble against the MSNs of my server

But at the end I beat 'em. Only some Yakuzas I couldn't beat

[trail temple]

T0 fleet confirmed

[fickle echo]

Are you serenity?

[neon bronze]

I don't complain about Shimakaze

[fickle echo]

[neon bronze]

Just the usual of me getting walled by Yakuzas when I ran Meeb

[pseudo copper]

Just ping Plasma and tell him to go easy on you

[fickle echo]

You say this but you never went easy on Beth

[pseudo copper]

I did

I gave him almost 2 mins instead of 30s

[winged depot]

[neon bronze]

[winged depot]

bro got yukana'd last season too

[neon bronze]

should've moved earlier and ate leftmost for +9

in my heart, Furanzeska overcapped by one

[winged depot]

who was the guy above you, kj?

[neon bronze]

shokuhou, kj ended after me

[winged depot]

ah lol, that guy finishes at 5 - 9 mins left

[neon bronze]

Next time

[whole salmon]

Plasma’s MSN is notorious at this point

Walled so many people already

[neon bronze]

where the manjuu go?

on his fleet

[fickle echo]

NJ

[flint python]

[delicate mango]

Msn good fleet?

[whole salmon]

Like a few months ago someone also said they were walled by Plasma. Plasma was using the exact same MSN he is using now

So Plasma’s fleet hasn’t changed

It is just this singular MSN

That keeps walling people

[stable dawn]

oh is he using the infamous CN version?

[sand cliff]

I think these three shts should be fcking removed from the game or nerfed to the bottom.

[stable dawn]

wow it's almost like that's the meta vanguard

my one and only question is
why is anchorage mid position?

[sand cliff]

Not smart defender mb

[trail temple]

We should nerf Agir too, back to her original release, she's too good with Seydlitz

[trail temple]

They forgot Harbin

[neon bronze]

who's that individual in Amagi, I presume?

[sand cliff]

Oh chicharonlover hi

My PvP friend on Amagi

[sand cliff]

He is

[lusty hill]

yakuza

[neon bronze]

it's a meh one

[sand cliff]

Agree

But I am just search a good example

[neon bronze]

There are only 2 good Yakuza in amagi

[sand cliff]

What Yakuza means

[neon bronze]

that backline you see

[sand cliff]

Ok thx for explanation

[flint python]

[whole salmon]

You know, without Anchorage, we would be back to a much more cancerous meta right

The triple torp meta that preceded this

[valid oxide]

Nosh Naga jint

[whole salmon]

Anchorage was the reason that comp is dead and tbh a lot of people don’t want it back

[valid oxide]

Or shima

[whole salmon]

[valid oxide]

Shima may replace naganami but why do that when triple buffer

[whole salmon]

It was the triple buffer

No tank whatsoever

Full damage

It would 1 shot basically everything

[valid oxide]

Then ancho happened and now only some cancer happens

[whole salmon]

We had to come up with so many counters for it and thank god Anchorage got released to kill that comp for good

[valid oxide]

Acceptable levels of cancer

[whole salmon]

Imagine the torp meta fronline with triple preload

I can already feel the cancer

[valid oxide]

Hasn't that came back a little with noshiro gridman

[whole salmon]

Back then, there’s very little stalling the fight with tanks

You would just immediately force resets at the beginning 5 seconds of the fight

https://youtu.be/JpBJh4IWENE

[valid oxide]

I think running a weird ancient fleet like that would be a fun experiment to see it's poor aging

[whole salmon]

Quyet still has a video of it

Cancerous comp at its finest

Thank god for Anchorage

[valid oxide]

Ancho wife and meta

[delicate mango]

Mafia still a strong fleet

[valid oxide]

[pseudo copper]

Calm down ALM

[delicate mango]

[neon bronze]

wait, triple torp frontline even more cancerous than anchorage is?

[uncut agate]

more rng = more cancer

[valid oxide]

Anchorage is cancer, but she also cured the cancer of triple torp so it's fine

We just need a cancer ship specifically designed to kill ancho now

[whole salmon]

It becomes a 50:50 deal

If enemy frontline 1 shot you, you lose

If you 1 shot the enemy frontline, you win

You can either win the match instantly or keep resetting 5 times

Oh and for those without the torp frontline set up, don’t even bother out tanking it, just choose another opponent

The best we came up with was Juneau, Azuma, Yukikaze

Let Juneau die and pray Azuma doesn’t die with her

There was no WNT, no Manjuu, no Ancho

[valid oxide]

Was there pearl?

[whole salmon]

Doesn’t matter cus she dies with it anyways

Pearl usually go on Yukikaze back then

[pseudo copper]

You are my pearl

[whole salmon]

Juneau’s death rate was high, no point putting Pearl on something that dies instantly and waste a heal

[valid oxide]

Back then sounds like a scary time that I want no part in

[whole salmon]

And if you think Pearl can save Azuma, no

Enemy is running 4 rainbow oxy and 2 black aux

It would 1 shot anything

Including BBs

[valid oxide]

I'm glad I joined PvP when I did because PvP now is somewhat accessible

[pseudo copper]

When eos?

[whole salmon]

There was a lot of copium options

One of which was Suzutsuki

[valid oxide]

Never

[whole salmon]

Who had smoke

To avoid the torp preload

This was copium Anchorage solution

[pseudo copper]

Got it, next season

[valid oxide]

Wait I might have NJ by next season

Okay if I manage to not fuck up by forgetting or sleep then maybe with alot of copium

[whole salmon]

The devs then tried a lot of things:

• VV with torp damage reduction
• Torp shield on Duca
• Preload on Aquila to kill torp frontline in a double ko
• WNT to slow down fights
• Nelson flag to let backline take damage so frontline can survive
• Manjuu so frontline can stall
• Anchorage

All of those were just to stop the cancer that was triple torp

Mafia took over after this btw

[valid oxide]

I figured

What was the copium alternative fleet for those who couldn't make mafia?

[delicate mango]

Mafia truly the strongest

[fickle echo]

And then they released Shima that could ignore all those things by herself

[whole salmon]

The counter was the previous established comp that carried over

Since triple torp and IJN backline was quite meta at the time, people had IJN ships raised

Which then led to the Nagato Hiryuu Shinano backline

The frontline is Azuma Yukikaze Juneau for stalling

Later, NJ replaces Nagato, Ancho replaces Azuma

With Shima replacing Yukikaze

If you found this familiar, this is what people refer to as “Weeb”

[flint python]

mecha meme is just modern mafia

[whole salmon]

I did a whole rant about it in 2021

And everything I said in the post ended up being what happened

[fickle echo]

You were Manaka?

[whole salmon]

[whole salmon]

This was the earliest form of Mafia

Before NJ’s and Ancho’s release

At the time, we didn’t quite decide on what the last slot on the frontline was

I thought it would be Noshiro but it ended up being Seattle

[valid oxide]

Why Seattle?

[flint python]

I was running jun duca suzu back then

[flint python]

aa

[pseudo copper]

seattle just tanky af with decent aa

[flint python]

and tank yea

[pseudo copper]

decent gun damage too ig, but not important

Why I have had Seattle on my Lil E acc

And even forced other baggers to use 1 minute or more per fight

[whole salmon]

I think there was a time

Of double preload comps

[valid oxide]

Your amagi defence fleet forces me to use 1 minute per fight

[pseudo copper]

It takes me 1 minute to click on it too dw

[whole salmon]

Before Ancho ofc

[pseudo copper]

So many good waifus

[whole salmon]

I think it was Noshiro Potter Duca

With Perseus Aquila combo

[flint python]

I used that lmfao

percy truly meta

[whole salmon]

People say pvp currently has too mang op ships

[flint python]

silent was right

[whole salmon]

But back then, there was no difference

If you didn’t play during Shinano or Italian, you are clapped

At least now we get URs often so you can hope for powercreep on a triple BB comp

[flint python]

oh yeah the 3 torp vanguard was so cancer lmao

[whole salmon]

Triple torp was so ass

That era was painful

https://youtu.be/Q67dLMv-WXk

Old triple torp vid from JP

[valid oxide]

I got lucky with sushi being my first UR I came across

[whole salmon]

Disgusting comp

[flint python]

[pseudo copper]

Dw the cancer bout to decrease

[flint python]

watch this anniv ur be meta changing again

[pseudo copper]

No watch ALM make pvp easier

[whole salmon]

At least current pvp have Ancho as perma

The other URs are event exclusive so it would be rough

[flint python]

inb4 ancho powercreep

[whole salmon]

But we get new UR every 3 months now so it isn’t that bad

Powercreep can happen

[steel coral]

y'all aint ready for the new p2w torp meta

[whole salmon]

But like back then, if you miss event, you clapped for a whole year

[flint python]

tho ancho still so good lmao

[whole salmon]

Like Mafia and Weeb were meta for like 14 months

If you missed those events, what are you going to run?

Nagato Hiryuu and a bunch of filler

[flint python]

you run

the legendary enty

[valid oxide]

Nagato hiryuu amagi

[flint python]

[valid oxide]

I'm amazed I have never ran into a manjuu enty

[flint python]

who remembers the 2bb + amagi evasion clownfest

[valid oxide]

I used to use amagi

She usually just died

Like really easily

[stable dawn]

smh $90 bluray aya

[valid oxide]

But I didn't have anything to make her tankier with

[pseudo copper]

True af

[flint python]

bisco 2 tier 1

[pseudo copper]

ALM bout to make this anni meta changing

[steel coral]

worth it

[winged depot]

what a gamer

[pseudo copper]

Only 25k smh

[valid oxide]

What's the most powercreepable ship in MSN

[stable dawn]

Musashi

[whole salmon]

Musashi

[pseudo copper]

Bisco 2

[whole salmon]

Powercrept by Yamato

[stable dawn]

unless we somehow get a sub during JP anni

[valid oxide]

Already powercrept by kearsarge

[delicate mango]

It will be Nagato II

[whole salmon]

If we don’t get Yamato then MSN would stay for another year

[pseudo copper]

You can get my sub anytime

[stable dawn]

coping for I-400

[flint python]

oh this was before percy event

[delicate mango]

Why replace musashi when you can just do triple Yamato class backline

[flint python]

black torps made this more cancer lol

[whole salmon]

That vid didn’t have Shinano

Or the cancerous MKIX

[flint python]

oldge

[whole salmon]

Old vid but still demonstrated its lethality

By basically 1 shotting the entire frontline except Yukikaze

[neon bronze]

I have
And it's pepega

[flint python]

I remember how much reset I have done after 2 of my backlines got fucked by torps

either that or my whole vanguard is gone

just be thankful ancho is perma lol

[stable dawn]

kind of wish ancho didn't exist. Then I could've made double preload CV god tier during mafia meta lmao

[flint python]

mecha meta without ancho

[fickle echo]

Harbin+Shima+Noshiro

[valid oxide]

Harb Aya shima

[flint python]

ss by kaya

[fickle echo]

Me why are

[stable dawn]

MWA

[flint python]

full fleet name is tell me why are you gay

his previous fleet

[delicate mango]

[brazen socket]

What do u guys think of kearsarge in pvp

[flint python]

idk

can you provide me an account with a dev 30 kear so I can test

[valid oxide]

Kear yk2 NJ sounds funky for newish players

Cope because non-catchup non coinable DR but still

If kear ends up good I may invest but until then I shall not

[brazen socket]

Sure let me open my top secret hack

[flint python]

she's good alright

how impactful? who knows yet

[valid oxide]

If kear + 15% of Shinano is better than sushi then I think funny powercreep by strange means

[trail temple]

Can't give you an answer until people start getting her to dev 30

[valid oxide]

No answer needed, I just think it would be funny if it was to be the case

[candid sluice]

I can confirm kearsag is new meta

[valid oxide]

I can't tell if you are joking or waiting for d30 to announce the kearsadge powercreeping musashi

[brazen socket]

I have fs5 kearsarge, can confirm

I travelled 7 years into the future

[trail temple]

Oh, sorry, I wasn't responding to your comment

[valid oxide]

My apologies, as evidenced I am stupid

[lusty hill]

has azur lane dead yet?

[candid sluice]

i talked to the devs they said she will be new meta

[brazen socket]

unfortunately no

[lusty hill]

[flint python]

can confirm , this dude have connections

[whole salmon]

Using Kear to replace Musashi in MSN => Shinano gains 15% CV damage increase

=> But then proceed to lose 15% AVI and Hit stat increase, losing 20% damage reduction from shells and airstrike

Due to not having enough IJN ships in fleet

You basically removed Shinano’s advantage over the other UR CVs: Shinano is tankier

[uncut agate]

Anchorage - Shima - Noshiro

[whole salmon]

At that point you might as well use a fast comp and switch out Shinano

In which case you have…..

Kearsarge in triple BB comp

[uncut agate]

Full circle

[flint python]

theres no good cv to pair with kear in pvp

so she slots in 3 bb

[trail temple]

#bringbackenty

[rocky shadow]

Just wait enty retrofit with modern fighter jet

[trail temple]

Don't say too much, you'll make Saltybelfast very, very salty

[deft escarp]

Pls remove Anchorage and Manjuu aux so Ancho haters can experience the torp cancer we endured 2y ago

[rocky shadow]

Just using torp fleet then

Idk if torp comp still effective

[deft escarp]

They'll just counter with Anchorage

Anchorage haters need to experience what it was like back then to have to reset so many times because of your vanguard and a backline ship getting obliterated instantly by torp vanguard

[rocky shadow]

Yeah combine with preload backline

That double cancer

[brazen socket]

I forgot to do my runs before resets

welp

time to run it down and use up all my 15

[stable dawn]

nothing's stopping you from using torpmemes right now. Only your own cowardice.

[whole salmon]

The days when Juneau’s death rates skyrocketed

If you have Juneau, she dies immediately

If you don’t have Juneau, the entire frontline dies immediately

[deft escarp]

People would just run Anchorage and not have their backline and vanguard be obliterated in 5s

[whole salmon]

Basically countering torp meme with torp meme

[deft escarp]

[whole salmon]

Or pray RNG you can tank it

And usually they stack torp meme with Akagi and Kaga

[deft escarp]

LOL

[whole salmon]

[deft escarp]

Yeah I remember that shitass cancer comp lol

[whole salmon]

Truly the cancer of all cancer

[deft escarp]

Idk why people want it back

Mfs wanting Anchorage banned so we can have torp meme back

[whole salmon]

Even before black aux introduced the cancer that was Noshiro Naganami Jintsuu

People still used torp meme before that with stuff like Ibuki or Shigure

[deft escarp]

I think I was using Nagato, Hiryuu, Shinano, Sanrui, Juneau and Yukikaze back then

[whole salmon]

That’s indeed a very meta comp

[deft escarp]

Sometimes you'd see Ayanami instead of Naganami in Sandy

[valid oxide]

Oh yeah forgot about that

[whole salmon]

Juneau and Yukikaze are standard for frontline, occasional switch out for Noshiro

The middle slot is Saint Louis and Neptune during PR1 days

Then Azuma took that slot when PR2 rolled around

Backline was triple IJN

Or the Warkai FDG Amagi comp

[deft escarp]

Yeah

[valid oxide]

Shima ykkz

[whole salmon]

CV concealment update killed this comp

[deft escarp]

I used Sanrui to cope with not having Azuma back then

[whole salmon]

Which led to majority IJN being the standard

Like 5 IJN and a Juneau

[stable dawn]

15s exercises. You can do 5 in just over 1 minute. The true EoS.

[whole salmon]

For like 15 months

[stable dawn]

[deft escarp]

Before that it was Nagato, Amagi, Hiryuu/FdG

[whole salmon]

Yeah

It was always either the Warkai comp or the IJN comp

Warkai Monarch/FDG comp was made originally to 1 shot Enty comps

Then people switched over to Hiryuu Amagi to counter Warkai with invul and eva rate backline

To exploit the fact that PR ships back then had no luck due to fate sim not being released yet

Even slapping VH armor on ships on some of occasions

[stable dawn]

hey at least there's no more enty vs enty or yuki vs yuki fights

[whole salmon]

Concealment update killed Warkai comp, leading to IJN supremacy

[stable dawn]

[hollow walrus]

What was like the most stupid backline comp over the years?

[valid oxide]

I used warkai till I had fdg

[whole salmon]

If I have to say like truly stupid

[deft escarp]

VH rudder Hiryuu

[whole salmon]

It was the very old days of Nagato Amagi Hiryuu

[deft escarp]

[whole salmon]

457 wasn’t released yet

Since PR1 days

So you are both using Hood guns

Slap some VH armor on

[stable dawn]

preload comps with percy were pretty stupid

[hollow walrus]

wait hold on

[stable dawn]

in the brief period before mafia took over

[whole salmon]

And your BBs literally take forever to kill each other

[hollow walrus]

There was a time the Hood gun was META?

[deft escarp]

Ye

[whole salmon]

Very much meta

Cus what else do you have

[stable dawn]

people used percy riche warkai I think

[deft escarp]

You wanted Nagato to fire barrage quickly

[whole salmon]

457 wasn’t released yet

Are you using Bismarck gun then?

[hollow walrus]

Hold on

[deft escarp]

Idr

[hollow walrus]

Hood gun with that backline. How long does it take to kill the backline lmfao

[whole salmon]

Like back then there was no good AP gun

[deft escarp]

I used Twin 410mm that time

[stable dawn]

what did they call it, Roman Bukkake or something?

[whole salmon]

So people just run HE

And hope for barrage proc

[hollow walrus]

HUH

[whole salmon]

If enemy have VH armor

And an Amagi

And Rudder

[valid oxide]

Wdym, hood gun is still meta

[stable dawn]

yeah there's still some old messages in ALM about it

[whole salmon]

457 wasn’t released yet so people simply used HE

[hollow walrus]

Oh found it

[deft escarp]

There was also the occasional VH Azuma iirc

[whole salmon]

The only reliable source of damage is from barrage

[hollow walrus]

lmfao roman bukkake lmfao

[whole salmon]

Warkai Monarch was reliable for a time

No concealment update

[stable dawn]

oh wow I forgot we also tried Birm back then

[whole salmon]

So those 2 can one shot an Enty

[stable dawn]

[whole salmon]

16 seconds into the round

[valid oxide]

Warkai is still not that bad with enough copium

[whole salmon]

Very old gif but this is how it worked back then

Then people started to use Nagato Hiryuu Amagi instead of Enty comps

Because Warkai snipes were scary

[hollow walrus]

enty snipe comps?

[whole salmon]

Yeah

The old days

Enty snipe comps were the earliest form of triple BB

Amagi Warkai Monarch

Then Monarch replaced by FDG