We may lose our licence for doing that
#pvp
trail temple
pseudo copper
Not an option
pseudo copper
If your car goes below a specified speed it'll explode
neon bronze
cedar herald
Ill try for top 50, i think its doable but ill aim top 10 next season, surprised i maintained r1 for 10 hours
trail temple
If your car goes below a specified speed it'll explode
Stop driving Lambos on slow streets
hollow walrus
What's the usual score for top 10 EoS in Lexi?
whole salmon
Ill try for top 50, i think its doable but ill aim top 10 next season, surprised...
Rank 1 during today?
When was it? 12 hours ago? 6 hours ago?
fickle echo
little bobcat
What's the usual score for top 10 EoS in Lexi?
low 2580s high 2570s i think
zenith lantern
What's the usual score for top 10 EoS in Lexi?
According to MK 2594
pseudo copper
What's the usual score for top 10 EoS in Lexi?
2580 smth usually
neon bronze
2580 should be safe for your server
pseudo copper
Last season was below 2580
cedar herald
If you were rank 1 around 6 hours ago then there was no need for you to move
I slept in for work... usually im at work when pvp resets, i pay for my sins
pseudo copper
Think only Amagi and Avrora had a t10 cutoff above 2580 last season
hollow walrus
Ok time to aim for at least 2580 within the next 3 months, hopefully...
stable dawn
not hard tbh
fickle echo
Last season was below 2580
All because I committed sudoku 
pseudo copper
Ok time to aim for at least 2580 within the next 3 months, hopefully...
2580 this season
little bobcat
2580 is guaranteed if you don't overcap
whole salmon
If you have 2585 then you are probably already top 5-6
Unless it is one of those competitive seasons with 2589 top 10
fickle echo
little bobcat
I kinda wanna set a 2600 goal one day but ik I'll never reach it 
zenith lantern
Lexi had one of those seasons where everyone overcapped
stable dawn
that's actually the reason 2589 is on the iceberg
it's the baseline "I kind of tried" score
unless you're on Sandy
pseudo copper
If you don't get 2600 you didn't try
stable dawn
in which case it's #1 eos
hollow walrus
I sometimes lose 1 or 2 battles every season and almost always at the end
cedar herald
Pvp endgame feels more achievable than pve endgame, all my gold plates going into weird gears k3kw
pseudo copper
Pvp endgame feels more achievable than pve endgame, all my gold plates going int...
PvP is ez, PvE is just grind fleet tech
stable dawn
if only you knew
whole salmon
Pvp end game is 10 consistent baggers walling you down to top 20
Unless you are playing on the lucky season when 8 of them overcaps
zenith lantern
PvP endgame is a +13 Swordfish or Battle Tracto
whole salmon
Then congrats you are top 3
stable dawn
pvp endgame is dying and being reborn as a singaporean lich
whole salmon
pseudo copper
PvP endgame is +13 no gun
fickle echo
PvP endgame is no gun KMS BBs
pseudo copper
KMS BB belong in one place only
cedar herald
Pvp got me waking up at 4am these days
pseudo copper
stable dawn
Pvp got me waking up at 4am these days
well you got the lich part down
now all you need is to become an sg citizen
whole salmon
At least you got the alarms up
pseudo copper
Pvp got me waking up at 4am these days
Just sleep normally 
stable dawn
be aoste, don't use any reminders
little bobcat
my timezone is so good I can sleep around pvp safely
pseudo copper
Be like me, don't sleep
little bobcat
12am, 12pm, 6pm
cedar herald
Haha, is it optimal to pvp when u get charges? Or can i just cap at 10 and do it before next ones?
stable dawn
if your timezone is so good how are you not consistent top 3 at least
little bobcat
neon bronze
i have alarms during 2nd set and they can't help me wake up in time
stable dawn
neon bronze
legit
little bobcat
if your timezone is so good how are you not consistent top 3 at least
I'm bad
whole salmon
Haha, is it optimal to pvp when u get charges? Or can i just cap at 10 and do it...
When are your resets
pseudo copper
Haha, is it optimal to pvp when u get charges? Or can i just cap at 10 and do it...
If going for eos you only go down to 5/10
stable dawn
then become unbad smh
whole salmon
Or rather, what’s your daily reset
hollow walrus
GMT +7?
pseudo copper
Kiwi?
cedar herald
9.30+
neon bronze
Indo or Aussie?
cedar herald
Adl
little bobcat
then become unbad smh
it'll be at least another 2 seasons before I do my first full proper season
I'm dedicating this season to properly learning alarms and moving late
tacit owl
Why 
pseudo copper
Why <:MutsukiHyperStare:588629678017871872>
Send a fr to Famine
Asking him to move
neon bronze
stable dawn
the proper way is to ease into it by rushing 1h before reset
then 30m
then 15m
then 5m
tacit owl
Asking him to move
What's the point
stable dawn
once you are consistent 5m you will be #1
stable dawn
worked for me
little bobcat
I usually do 20m before reset unless I forget, sometimes I do 1h
stable dawn
whole salmon
Yeah I did the same
pseudo copper
What's the point<:MutsukiHyperStare:588629678017871872>
Reviving Famine
whole salmon
Except I went from 20-15-10
little bobcat
my latest move was 10m I think
pseudo copper
Sending him a request to move is same as CPR
cedar herald
Pvp spooky
whole salmon
Occasionally I do 5 mins move
stable dawn
now you tell me to do it 1m b4 reset?
I have done 4 in 1 before. Not fun.
whole salmon
But sometimes I do 30-4-1h before
stable dawn
💀
little bobcat
I don't wanna move too late since my fleet still has to reset once or twice against some fleets
whole salmon
Depends on my mood
fickle echo
Sadly there's no way to revive Vice 
whole salmon
Just move it safe, it doesn’t matter as much
If you already got +1 or +2 then just move whenever
pseudo copper
Eh I can try seems a bit weird considering I always overcap
Make sure you are semen when you do
Or much lower than him
Even better
whole salmon
MK with 5 mins move and +6 gear would always be legendary
pseudo copper
Sadly there's no way to revive Vice <:TorricelliSad:911042375038685264>
There is
stable dawn
Sadly there's no way to revive Vice <:TorricelliSad:911042375038685264>
vice staying ethical to the very end
tacit owl
I don't have avrora leaderboard in my head so no clue if he's on there even
pseudo copper
I don't have avrora leaderboard in my head so no clue if he's on there even
He's on every board p much
Except EX iirc
little bobcat
If you already got +1 or +2 then just move whenever
wait how do you usually go about bonuses?
how many per set
whole salmon
Second week?
little bobcat
yes
whole salmon
Mostly +1s
tacit owl
He's on every board p much
I'm one behind him in fleet power
whole salmon
I don’t get +2s after Sunday
hollow walrus
When did Vice retire?
zenith lantern
Depends on your pace
whole salmon
stable dawn
I think early 22?
whole salmon
By Friday then I’m only at 75
stable dawn
don't remember
whole salmon
But then I jump to 86-89 in the last days of the season
stable dawn
he kind of soft retired first then hard retired eventually
whole salmon
Pink Sugar standard pace
little bobcat
also
neon bronze
stable dawn
actually, vice's soft retire began in mid 21
little bobcat
if someone can give me a +1 and I'm at 5/10 do I wait for them to move next set for more or just take the +1
stable dawn
There was a time when Kaoru did 4/10 tech
the NO DATA tech
zenith lantern
if someone can give me a +1 and I'm at 5/10 do I wait for them to move next set ...
Usually take, if they are that far ahead they probably move late or won’t move at all.
trail temple
Almost never, if you're thinking of singular instance of +3
zenith lantern
Friday > Sunday or Monday you can get them
trail temple
As opposed to 3 +1s
zenith lantern
3 +1s that is
stable dawn
yeah because a +3 after 1050 reset means they're over 105 above you
which only occurs if a fellow bagger threw to 0
fickle echo
There was a time when Kaoru did 4/10 tech
Actually he would go over 4/10 I even remember always seeing him on the leaderboard during early season back then
neon bronze
stable dawn
hollow walrus
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/946719897390563328/1098646760668287097/...
Quick question but who's that in your pfp Bongo
candid sluice
marsh sand
spare venture
I thought displaying your gacha is not here, go to #trophy-room
candid sluice
wrong channel
candid olive
Is NJ's UR event gun really that good? I see it placed as #1 for pretty much all BBs in the pin.
neon bronze
:susge:
neon bronze
Is NJ's UR event gun really that good? I see it placed as #1 for pretty much al...
Only on semi preloads, such as VV and Seydlitz
candid olive
I shall use it on VV then
neon bronze
You're recreating Mafia?
fickle echo
Maintenance didn't even end yet and we already got our first new mafia user
floral wave
vv seyd amagi +3 ijn frontline, just need 3rd mk7
lusty hill
why preload want mk7? wouldn't georgia gun or musashi gun better?
candid olive
You're recreating Mafia?
Lol, it's the best I have unfortunately as a new player.
I've been using VV, FdG, Aquila, Anchorage, Juneau, Duca with pretty good results.
So would NJ replace FdG?
candid olive
I don't even have that yet.... I use a golden washing machine (rudder).
And I'm currently working on getting her the Cosmic Kicks.
neon bronze
neon bronze
I don't even have that yet.... I use a golden washing machine (rudder).
MLB the 3 Yorktown class CVs to get that Memento gear
candid olive
MLB the 3 Yorktown class CVs to get that Memento gear
And that's the Manjuu?
neon bronze
How to get it, yea
hollow walrus
dd aux gun ig?
the one from Eagle Union gear lab should be better iirc but idk by how much
deft escarp
Aight
floral wave
sushi aug too
scenic tendon
Anything I need to update here?
oath Shinano?
deft escarp
candid olive
Wow, so shells aren't used in pvp but evasion gear takes the place of one? I see... 🤔
zenith lantern
Yup ships already do enough damage, you don't need to stack a little more.
neon bronze
Anything I need to update here?
Angel on Shinano, Beaver on NJ
deft escarp
Don't have feather
neon bronze
shinano is ok as is, can also consider gears such as FMP, SG radar on NJ
grave narwhal
I overcapped 4 exercises, should I keep going or it's over? (going for AotN, don't really care about EoS)
zenith lantern
It's fine if you're picking up bonuses
You can probably overcap 10 and still make AoTN if you're getting bonus pts
pseudo copper
Ez to make up, still rather early
deft escarp
shinano is ok as is, can also consider gears such as FMP, SG radar on NJ
FMP?
Also, why SG Radar?
floral wave
budget version of wnt/fairy magic poster
lusty hill
Isn't magic poster only provide 1 extra hit than sg?
pseudo copper
Isn't magic poster only provide 1 extra hit than sg?
Yes
floral wave
yes
pseudo copper
But +1 hit is +1 hit
sturdy kraken
MSN is back on top? damn 
valid oxide
Is there any alternative for nano in msn or should I just continue with milf as planned
Wait actually do I even have the gear for milf 
pseudo copper
Is there any alternative for nano in msn or should I just continue with milf as ...
Hymen works, but up to you between those 2 comps
valid oxide
I think I'll try hymen for now because I lack good BB guns
pseudo copper
little bobcat
I overcapped 4 exercises, should I keep going or it's over? (going for AotN, don...
i got aotn eaisly with 8 overcaps last season
grave narwhal
alright it's not too bad then
it's my first time bagging and all that
so I was scared that I screwed up the season lol
floral wave
you screw up only when you give up
little bobcat
^^
little bobcat
it's my first time bagging and all that
dude ur gonna get a hang of it easier than i ahve
i overcapped 1 attempt this season and my brain immediately decided "it's joever"
little bobcat
any good replacement for Shimakaze in 3 BBs team 💀
duca > noshiro > agir > yukikaze => ayanami
scenic tendon
duca > noshiro > agir > yukikaze => ayanami
how about harbing?
scenic tendon
how is ayanami last
too rng
little bobcat
how about harbing?
harbin is best but i assume you're using her as 3rd slot
little bobcat
how is ayanami last
inconsistent and dies too quickly
scenic tendon
harbin is best but i assume you're using her as 3rd slot
ahh
little bobcat
she does to shima torps instantly
scenic tendon
I guess I just go for Noshiro instead of Duca
winged depot
go for juneau
scenic tendon
its 3 bbs team and I dont wanna lose to 2 bbs + 1 cv
little bobcat
what 3 bbs are you running
whole salmon
CN has Shimakaze as “unreplaceable” tier
little bobcat
i'm running musashi fdg warspite and i haven't had to reset once this season
whole salmon
Along with Musashi
scenic tendon
just got NJ so I'm currently working on milfs
little bobcat
if you're running triple bb imo you should always be running anchorage / torper / harbin
winged depot
ancho, harbin, juneau works
scenic tendon
if you're running triple bb imo you should always be running anchorage / torper ...
yes, in case the cv aint be spotted
little bobcat
works but isn't optimal
duca is better imo
shima > duca > noshiro > agir > yukikaze => aya
scenic tendon
duca is better imo
but might die to Shimakaze easily
whole salmon
CN didn’t have that many recommendations for Shimakaze replacement. Only stuff regarding the 3rd BB or the 3rd frontliner
scenic tendon
lol
little bobcat
duca is just good
winged depot
just use juneau if you're scared for something to die
scenic tendon
I'll try it
whole salmon
Oh wait there’s something
whole salmon
Copium budget are Jervis and Ayanami
little bobcat
agir has a worse time vs shima than duca does, and my agir is always alive
jervis lmfaooo
maybe in CN meta
not this one
winged depot
how would you know, you can't even get aotn
scenic tendon
last season I used Bismarch 2's triple BBs
little bobcat
how would you know, you can't even get aotn
?
winged depot
not you
whole salmon
They had Jervis, Harbin, Ayanami for Shimakaze replacement on CN
little bobcat
i got aotn in the past 2 seasons
winged depot
so?
little bobcat
aotn isn't hard lol
scenic tendon
fr
whole salmon
Juneau’s replacement would be Yukikaze, Harbin, Otto, Plymouth
scenic tendon
I just aim for EoS
winged depot
but how would you know the meta though, when pink has more experience than you
whole salmon
Ancho’s replacement would be Agir, Jervis, Plymouth, Azuma
little bobcat
but how would you know the meta though, when pink has more experience than you
by talking to people who do??
scenic tendon
weird
whole salmon
And 3rd BB slot is between Vanguard, Bismarck Zwei, Tamaki, Seydlitz
winged depot
sure Letan
whole salmon
No FDG recommendation whatsoever on CN
There’s some stuff about budget fleet Nagato Amagi Hiryuu
scenic tendon
And 3rd BB slot is between Vanguard, Bismarck Zwei, Tamaki, Seydlitz
for me Bismarck 2 is kinda fragile
whole salmon
But surprisingly no FDG
little bobcat
least egotistical amagi player
little bobcat
for me Bismarck 2 is kinda fragile
biszwei is pretty shit
i used her last season and changed over to spite this season and she's done infinitely better lol
winged depot
just have ancho, harbin and juneau for now
scenic tendon
only good in defense
little bobcat
not even
winged depot
can guarantee a good lasting vg
scenic tendon
for attack she is kinda... inconsistent
whole salmon
I don’t know why this triple BB craze is coming from when you could still use CV
Especially when a lot of triple BB fleets don’t have proper enhancements
winged depot
true
scenic tendon
shh
winged depot
do you not have shinano
scenic tendon
no?
little bobcat
msn and hymen work but a good triple bb is still top tier lol
whole salmon
Triple BB can be viable if you are at high end with good equipments and can guarantee to win the frontline fight
scenic tendon
if you use 1 bbs + 2 cv your bb is gonna die to 3 bbs in first salvo
whole salmon
Otherwise you are just getting walled by fleets with better equipment
Even if you have attacker advantage
winged depot
if you use 1 bbs + 2 cv your bb is gonna die to 3 bbs in first salvo
not really
scenic tendon
wrong typo
little bobcat
if you use 1 bbs + 2 cv your bb is gonna die to 3 bbs in first salvo
not really
winged depot
i've been doing 2 bbs and 1 cv for since musashi
whole salmon
The tier list is one thing but it is assuming you have proper equipment and enhancements
scenic tendon
cvs need even more investment than BBs team
whole salmon
And it isn’t like most people have gear that they can spare to run experiments
scenic tendon
if you are using rainbow torp planes
winged depot
pretty sure you still can go high with +10s
whole salmon
Plasma and I still run MSN
winged depot
@neon bronze did
whole salmon
Kaoru and brah still runs Yakuza
little bobcat
brah has a really optimized yakuza tbf
whole salmon
Triple BB is only used by a handful of eos users and most of the time it is for testing purposes
winged depot
yakuza is fast, and I too like fast 
whole salmon
And that’s the thing, the people who use triple BB like Aldarn and Ari actually have other properly geared fleets
winged depot
scenic tendon
whole salmon
You think Ari doesn’t have better ships than Tamaki
scenic tendon
no?
winged depot
sometimes its not fun to use the same thing
little bobcat
im gonna be testing musashi tamaki nj next season
whole salmon
I recommended Agir to Aldarn during the time when the dude was getting constant top 1s
So he found Agir Seydlitz combo to be funny so he used it, dats it
winged depot
whole salmon
Before that, Aldarn used MSN, Yakuza, Zoomer, Hymen
The dude has all sorts of fleets geared
winged depot
no one to wall in amagae so its just the same 15 - 20 guys in the leaderboard 
scenic tendon
kinda interesting
winged depot
little bobcat
that's def only though
little bobcat
he has a honoka comp?
scenic tendon
yes
winged depot
scenic tendon
Do these guys really copy def fleets?
whole salmon
It was an Amagi fleet
winged depot
some do
whole salmon
I mean it you follow the tier list
How is it different from copying def fleet
Aside from occasional def fleet trolls
scenic tendon
its different tho
little bobcat
i copied ari's old def fleet 
except i replaced seyd with enty because i dont have seyd
winged depot
I change my def fleet too, every season
little bobcat
i won't ever be switching my defense until i get a fully geared attack fleet and i'm able to just throw that over to defense
which will be a while
i'm missing so many +13s and oaths
scenic tendon
I don't care about def fleet fr, like I dont see any real usage of it
winged depot
Damn bro, i'm walling someone with this one ngl
scenic tendon
beside blocking others paths
whole salmon
That seems too obvious
I think people would realize it
If you put like 4 met ships and 2 non metas
Then maybe people would believe
little bobcat
believe what
steel coral
He just does it because he is a top player and does whatever he wants to
only way to make pvp fun
winged depot
NArd best shimakaze in amagi
whole salmon
That one time someone with NJ got tricked into using Musashi Shinano FDG was quite funny
It was after FDG fate 5 release
scenic tendon
steel coral
NArd best shimakaze in amagi
is it just me or does she look kinda different these days 
winged depot
little bobcat
i need to oath my harbin
scenic tendon
might understand his choice
steel coral
not even 125 juneau?
she dies when needed so I'll keep my precious cogs
scenic tendon
932 gems
winged depot
little bobcat
she dies when needed so I'll keep my precious cogs
why not +13 torps?
winged depot
juneau walked so the others could run
steel coral
why not +13 torps?
didn't have coins until recently
also meh
will probably go back to shima torp on her cuz bigger number
winged depot
stonks
little bobcat
im gonna test makaga once i +13 my next wyvern
scenic tendon
neon bronze
if you use 1 bbs + 2 cv your bb is gonna die to 3 bbs in first salvo
Used to have my Musashi ded in this scenario when I was starting out, a Beaver badge solved it
scenic tendon
Used to have my Musashi ded in this scenario when I was starting out, a Beaver b...
we all put beaver on musashi tho
neon bronze
we all put beaver on musashi tho
I didn't at the time
little bobcat
musashi was oftentimes my last deaht back when i ran 1bb
stable dawn
candid sluice
He doesnt know juneau 120 tech
pseudo copper
Guys is Gorizia good for pvp?
fickle echo
Italians back in PvP 
lusty hill
always has been
stable dawn
Guys is Gorizia good for pvp?
Gorillaz is good for pvp yes
pseudo copper
Gorillaz is good for pvp yes
Gorillaz quit 
stable dawn
boreal comet
Guys is Gorizia good for pvp?
Yes she is best ship because heterochromia
lusty hill
didn't realize a new ship is announced I thought you guys are saying shits
fickle echo
fleet laurel
for duca, should i use tea torps + magnet aux. or UR magtorps + UR oxy aux?
stable dawn
little bobcat
for duca, should i use tea torps + magnet aux. or UR magtorps + UR oxy aux?
new torps + rainbow oxytorp and boiler
candid sluice
Godzilla in al pvp??
zenith tide
gritty cove
Guys I'm telling you, this is it 
stable dawn
gritty cove
honest moon
Guys I'm telling you, this is it <a:BuckyPrideAnim:839635015633076224>
Indeed it is 
sudden spoke
Kms hood Zwei
sudden spoke
hi hi 
pseudo copper
Yes
sudden spoke
friend of salty belfast?
Lets go with that sure. Tho some of the other reds might disagree
Mainly the gph ones
neon bronze
lusty hill
omg salty belfast lore got an update
pastel jolt
@stable dawn Hi, do you have any pvp attempts left? lel
candid sluice
lelkekboom
pastel jolt
lelkekboom
pseudo copper
Lets go with that sure. Tho some of the other reds might disagree
We're all friends in this server no? 1 big happy family that argues over everything
sudden spoke
Hmmm. You might find a lot of people that want nothing to do with the family then 
candid sluice
please disown me from that degenerate family
sudden spoke
Me too
pseudo copper
Salty and Varia getting disowned so they can make some forbidden love?
sudden spoke
I only love myself. Smh.
Also i think thats enough family gathering for one day
Back to watch Saltybel be a god at PvP
candid sluice
sorry im not gay
pseudo copper
You are in this server though
candid sluice
true
honest moon
sorry im not gay
Hi not gay! im troll!
candid sluice
stfu
flat rain
nj replaces anyone?
zenith lantern
nj replaces anyone?
FDG or Seydlitz
severe wren
Which is going to have more impact… +13 rainbow 234mm on anchorage, or +13 100mm on Juneau? Got a gold 135mm on Juneau right now
ember veldt
Neither are that big of a deal for those ships and pvp, but the dd gun is the better investment outside of pvp
severe wren
Second rainbow 406 was the other, non pvp option. Just min/maxing at this point.
scenic tendon
Just started thinking about Bis 2 + Implacable's slow in defense fleet. The idea is stagging Bis 2's second salvo (hood gun, HSFCR, autoloader) after Imp's first airstrike slow at around ~23s.
empty mesa
💀
stable dawn
pastel jolt
Which is going to have more impact… +13 rainbow 234mm on anchorage, or +13 100mm...
100mm
cedar shoal
Guys I'm telling you, this is it <a:BuckyPrideAnim:839635015633076224>
Dear God
coral wren
Who should I replace in PvP to go hard? Have all URs and Meta
hollow walrus
Agir for Anchorage, Impla for either another BB or Shinano for MSN. And replace Yuudachi with either another torp like Harbin if going 3BB or Juneau if going MSN. For gears you can check pins for optimal gears
neon bronze
Who should I replace in PvP to go hard? Have all URs and Meta
Shinano, Anchorage and Juneau replaces Implacable, Aegir and Yuudachi retrofit respectively
coral wren
Ah thanks. 🙏
neon bronze
Can we see your gears? Can work that out as well
coral wren
Ya on who
neon bronze
Musashi, New Jersey, Shimakaze and the ships Sara and I recommended to you
hollow walrus
Ok so your gears need a bit of work
neon bronze
Main gun stays the same for shima
hollow walrus
So Shinano would want 2 Wyvern + Suisei Kai
neon bronze
I'm logging on my acc to give you loadout
hollow walrus
Musashi would want blue gear lab gun
neon bronze
Still the 76mm
coral wren
neon bronze
Shinano and Shimakaze @coral wren
neon bronze
Musashi and New Jersey, assumes Musashi is the Flagship
coral wren
Changed out to wyvnn
Ya musashi middle
Should I switch out my unicorn wyvnn to Shinano?
Or Perseus
Perseus has it I mean
neon bronze
My Anchorage and Juneau
for Ancho. I use Blucher gun, I don't have a triple 234. If you do have the triple 234, use that. Aux combo is the preferred loadout for her
for Juneau. Aux choices include Boiler, Gyroscope, and Torp bulge. I use this since I use a fleet with WNT active
AA guns for these two are interchangeable
neon bronze
Should I switch out my unicorn wyvnn to Shinano?
Shinano wants two Wyverns
coral wren
So remove probably off the unicorn ?
neon bronze
For pvp use, yes. You can swap Uni's Wyvern out for a Breguet
coral wren
Ya was looking for a replacement
little bobcat
Who should I replace in PvP to go hard? Have all URs and Meta
replace agir with anchorage, replace yuudachi with harbin
replace impy with fdg
neon bronze
Idk about Harbin recommendations lol
coral wren
replace agir with anchorage, replace yuudachi with harbin
replace impy with fdg
Ah most said this just gonna fix their gears up
hollow walrus
It's a choice of either going MSN or MILF fleet. Juneau would be better if using Shinano but if they're going with 3BB then Harbin would be a better choice
little bobcat
replace harbin's gun with the new ur dd gun
also harbin's aug with crossbowe
was too lazy to fix
hollow walrus
It really just depends if you want to go with Shinano or go full 3BB
coral wren
Good recommendations for gear. Had some off here
hollow walrus
Both what they've said are viable
little bobcat
this for MSN
rep[lace juneau's gun with the new UR DD gun, her torps with the new eagle union magtorps
just pick between the two
coral wren
Is the gear completely different in pve and PvP?
little bobcat
yes
neon bronze
yes
little bobcat
both of those fleets owuld also suck in pve lmao
well ig triple bb would be ok
regeared*
little bobcat
this for MSN
rep[lace juneau's gun with the new UR DD gun, her torps with the ne...
fdg harbin will be faster
shinano juneau will be more consistent vs better defenses (not biszwei)
neon bronze
biszwei is nice, consistent juneau death just before my two CVs launch 
coral wren
I could run her but I like my Shinano a bit
little bobcat
yeah go shinano
running triple bb means you might have to look at your screen to make sure you dont lose
LOL
neon bronze
you can run Shinano Harbin for faster fights, but worse consistency
and I personally prefer consistency
hollow walrus
consistency because of shit internet I presume
neon bronze
~~consistency because of shit internet I presume~~
And sometimes to play PvP without looking on the screen
torpid shuttle
ive nearly gotten fucked by NJ manjuu and accelerated rld on backline 
lusty hill
manjuu on NJ good
valid oxide
Please pretend these are American mags, is there anything I should change and what should NJ gun/auxes be so she doesn't clash with sushi?
(site doesn't have American mags yet)
little bobcat
put harbin on a staag
juneau might die too late so try gyro boiler or boiler boiler
nj should use 457 with hpfcr wnt here
valid oxide
What if I don't have 457
valid oxide
I don't have enough good BB guns
little bobcat
musashi fdg nj uses 457 and mk4 so
valid oxide
Also Aya is pretty cope and I'd need to use Aya + harb in that comp
little bobcat
do you have duca agir or noshi
valid oxide
I have duca and nosh
little bobcat
use duca
valid oxide
I'll need to 125 and max skills first then
honest moon
Black torp shima > 533 quint+ 533 mag aux?
zenith lantern
Tea torps with black torp aux is the best for all the torp ships except Duca. The new torps are 2nd best option
little bobcat
^^^
rustic bridge
My Gears
lusty hill
salty belfast unironically have better gear than me
rustic bridge
lusty hill
I want your +13 shells
flint sun
si bisko pvp meta?
uncut agate
no, she's probably the weakest UR BB for pvp
flint sun
warspite even?
uncut agate
yeah
sand cliff
Where to write to fix the Bismarck hole in pvp?
zenith tundra
bismark is not even that bad in pvp, on defense that is, her barrage actually hits and locks your vg in place. on offense she is just bad
floral wave
not even on def the black hole is 100%
so its still unreliable
and even if it hits, bisco2 is squishy
delicate mango
What's the current meta for pvp lately?
runic sorrel
pseudo copper
Check pins but it is MSN
pseudo copper
Where to write to fix the Bismarck hole in pvp?
Fix it how? As in position?
OpSi help welcome here too
delicate mango
What does MSN consist of?
floral wave
musashi shinano nj
doc in pins covers it
you could also do MSN at home like i do with Musashi Seydlitz shiNano
💀
lusty hill
MSN at home
floral wave
totally not recommended 
delicate mango
For vanguard's?
delicate mango
Is this a good defense fleet?
floral wave
no
but defense fleet doesnt matter
so in a way its good
all oathed, all preferably with cool names
thats all your def fleet needs
glossy meteor
Hey guys how do you get shimakaze to do the stupid amount of torp damagd
floral wave
you use correct gear
glossy meteor
What js the gear Load out I mean
floral wave
pins
stable dawn
I'm pretty sure shimas that deal that much damage are just hackers
floral wave
guide document
trail temple
What's a stupid amount? 4k? 11k?
glossy meteor
I'm pretty sure shimas that deal that much damage are just hackers
Feels like it man
Vs a NJ, Musashi, Aquila
With anchor, Shima Juneau
Musashi had thr naval treaty but if any of Shima torps it my backing
Put them below quarter
brazen socket
I'm pretty sure shimas that deal that much damage are just hackers
more like they got lucky with their torps hitting
brazen socket
but with a good geared shima she should be hitting them consistently
glossy meteor
What's a stupid amount? 4k? 11k?
Put nearly my entire backline to below half with naval treaty in effect by the enemy
brazen socket
How do you hack pvp?
you just do smh
stable dawn
How do you hack pvp?
idk I don't hack lol
glossy meteor
Fair
I got close once but the Anchorage survived and with Aquila so reset and eventually lost
glossy meteor
That question will never you get the answer you're looking for
I suppose
Srsly salt from Musashi tho
They made her a monster why
glossy meteor
Well it's whatever at this point I mean I missed like 10 or 15 of the exercises
Still salty tho
glossy meteor
But legit question how does the targeting for barrage and skills work is it just completely random
stable dawn
many barrages just fly straight and hit whatever is in their way, like riche's
not sure about NJ
especially since sometimes the barrage splits and targets 2 different enemies at the same time
glossy meteor
Yeah I tend to notice when it goes for the vanguard a lot
What about warspite how does her skill affect targeting for her man bb?
stable dawn
warspite aims at opposite position
so if she's top, she aims bottom
if she's bottom or mid, she aims top
glossy meteor
I get that but doesn't her skill make it so when she fires the main gun it has a higher chance to target the one she hit with her skill?
Or am I wrong
stable dawn
All allied main fleet Royal Navy ships' auto aim will have an increased chance of targeting the ship targeted by this barrage.
it might only apply to other HMS BBs
not sure tbh
glossy meteor
Ah well thanks I just wanted to check cause from the last pvp I tried to specifically target the NJ failed to kill her 70% of the tries
Well night man
delicate mango
@floral wave Any good names for Anchorage you suggest then?
sand cliff
One day Azur PVP will be balanced
sand cliff
Who are you
whole salmon
But legit question how does the targeting for barrage and skills work is it just...
There’s 2 types of barrages
Fix position barrage and targeting barrages
pseudo copper
Who are you
Hacker #1
whole salmon
Fixed position barrage basically means the barrage always hit at the same spot
sand cliff
Another British motherf*cker
glossy meteor
Fixed position barrage basically means the barrage always hit at the same spot
Like hoods
whole salmon
Think of it like your Monarch, Hood, etc
glossy meteor
Ok
pseudo copper
I'm British?
whole salmon
Some barrages have both targeting and fixed like Musashi, Amagi
glossy meteor
Really? Musashi
whole salmon
Musashi’s sword slash is fixed barrage
glossy meteor
Oh
whole salmon
But her lightning strikes are targeting
glossy meteor
Ok
whole salmon
It is a case by case basis
sand cliff
I'm British? <:PauseChamp:1093034682272206889>
Cheshire is British then you are
pseudo copper
Cheshire is British then you are
whole salmon
Well that is actually nice to know
As for how targeting works then idk
sand cliff
Worst nation anyway
whole salmon
Sometimes it targets frontline; sometimes it targets backline
pseudo copper
KMS copers thinking people care about factions lmao
whole salmon
For fixed barrage then it depends on your ship’s position on the backline
Tho certain fixed barrage ships can work regardless of position
glossy meteor
Really this was pretty informative thanks
whole salmon
Tho certain fixed barrage ships can work regardless of position
Like Fate 5 Champagne or your Odin
pseudo copper
@glossy meteor some fixed barrages change based on location and some don't btw
glossy meteor
Got it
sand cliff
KMS copers thinking people care about factions lmao
If people don't care about faction the game wouldn't have it
whole salmon
It really depends, it is quite complicated
glossy meteor
I guess I'll check the wiki
stable dawn
If people don't care about faction the game wouldn't have it
now that's a chesh quote
whole salmon
Sometimes a fixed barrage can change to a targeting barrage as well
stable dawn
glossy meteor
What
whole salmon
It changed to targeting after Fate 5
stable dawn
pseudo copper
Already got 2 from this guy today
whole salmon
Tho most of the time you can just ask us
pseudo copper
One day pvp will be balanced 
stable dawn
pvp
pseudo copper
What's going on?
Faction simp doing pvp
whole salmon
There’s a lot of stuff that you can play around with fixed barrage
Like how you can use Richelieu’s fixed barrage to hit concealed CVs
Then use the burn damage to spot
Even if it no longer is an effective strategy
pseudo copper
Yes
glossy meteor
Tho most of the time you can just ask us
Thanks I just wanted to know cause in MG personal observation it just seems like when I have NJ it tends to go for the vanguard but the enemies NJ goes for my backline
glossy meteor
Like how you can use Richelieu’s fixed barrage to hit concealed CVs
Hold up srsly
whole salmon
NJ is targeting
So she can’t hit concealed CVs
So yeah she has a chance to target vangaurd
whole salmon
Hold up srsly
Yeah back in the day, some people could cheese it using Richelieu, FDG, Amagi. Using 3 fixed barrages to afflict burn damage to spot CVs
pseudo copper
Thanks I just wanted to know cause in MG personal observation it just seems like...
Roll of the dice, if 6 enemies means 6 possibilities, 4 means 4 so becomes 1/4 to hit backline
whole salmon
It is no longer is a viable strategy now but it is still an interesting proof of concept
glossy meteor
So yeah she has a chance to target vangaurd
It just to me seems like it's weight towards hitting the enemies vanguard more often than not
glossy meteor
Roll of the dice, if 6 enemies means 6 possibilities, 4 means 4 so becomes 1/4 t...
Ah ok that makes sense
glossy meteor
It is no longer is a viable strategy now but it is still an interesting proof of...
Well thar is pretty cool to know
whole salmon
There are ways you can play around the conceal thing
Like if there are 6 ships, 2 of which are CVs
Meaning your ships have a higher chance to target that 1 leftover BB
glossy meteor
Hold up are mag torps the only ones that home or no
whole salmon
But it also has a chance to target the 3 vanguards
It honestly depends but it can work out in some cases
glossy meteor
Ok I see
whole salmon
Hold up are mag torps the only ones that home or no
Magnetic torps are the ones that try to target enemy ships
Tho you can turn regular torps into magnetic torps through the usage of black aux torp item
glossy meteor
Ok
Oh one last one how come enemy torps hit my backbone but my torps often don't as in they time out before reaching the main
whole salmon
Oh one last one how come enemy torps hit my backbone but my torps often don't as...
Magnetic torp can’t target concealed CVs
pseudo copper
Oh one last one how come enemy torps hit my backbone but my torps often don't as...
Enemy vanguard spawns closer to your backline
whole salmon
Chances are, your torps would fire at the bottom half of the screen
pseudo copper
If you mean why yours time out and theirs don't
whole salmon
Most people would place their CV at the bottom as opposed to the top
neon bronze
black torp aux + teatorps or quint mag (latter not that rec'd now)
glossy meteor
If you mean why yours time out and theirs don't
That is what I meant
whole salmon
And overall RNG
neon bronze
the new USS torp, as well
pseudo copper
Yeah, enemy spawn is closer to your backline than you are to their backline
whole salmon
That is what I meant
Also enemy frontline is placed closer to your backline than yours are to theirs
It is more like a 35-65
glossy meteor
I thought so
So I'm not crazy
pseudo copper
So if your vanguard moves back enough they can just run out of juice
glossy meteor
Ah makes sense
pseudo copper
I thought so
So I'm not crazy
Yeah, but trade off is you have 20% damage reduction
whole salmon
The advantage of which is that your BBs can fire their guns at their frontline
While theirs can’t
glossy meteor
Yeah, but trade off is you have 20% damage reduction
What really
glossy meteor
Oh didn't know
whole salmon
Yeah we call that attacker’s advantage
So if two identical fleet meet each other
Yours would win most of the time
If you lose more often then you are undergeared
pseudo copper
Why we say if you lose it's a skill issue
glossy meteor
Oh that's cool
I never knew all I remember is some ship classes get buffs and everyone gets x2 hp I think
pseudo copper
Actually we should prob ask one of the wiki guys to add the spawn differences a bit
whole salmon
There are other hidden features that I’m not quite aware of yet
But one day, it might come into play
So who knows, one day we might make a flood comp
glossy meteor
Oh no
whole salmon
There are other fun mechanics to play around like Ancho’s shield and certain timings
pseudo copper
So who knows, one day we might make a flood comp
Why wait? You can flood me rn
whole salmon
glossy meteor
Out of curiosity then how much does shimas torps do given optimal gear?
whole salmon
Back then it was even possible to make UvH deal next to no damage due to how damage reduction was calc
Luckily I think they fixed that now
glossy meteor
Srsly
Wow
I should read the wiki
And fix my gears
Well thank now I am enlightened
whole salmon
Just use the pin link for stuff @glossy meteor
In this channel
It work decently enough
Once you build up a bank, gotten to know sandbagging, etc
delicate mango
A lot of Knowledge I see here
whole salmon
Then you can start to experiment
There are interesting concept fleets that you can have fun with
glossy meteor
Got it
Hold up sandbagging?
neon bronze
Regarding defense fleets, does it matter, or not?
whole salmon
Defense only matters in trying to delay, wall, cause opponent to lose or refresh or switch ships
But chances of that happening is low
And doesn’t serve to increase your own score
Overall it is quite irrelevant in the long term
neon bronze
👌
whole salmon
You can succeed with both a weak defense or a strong defense
Both have managed to reach high ranks
glossy meteor
Really defense fleets do nothing?
whole salmon
So defense overall doesn’t play a big factor into your pvp performance
whole salmon
Really defense fleets do nothing?
It doesn’t serve to increase your own score, only to delay or stop others
But due to attacker’s advantage
There’s probably multiple people on the server that can beat you
glossy meteor
Oh I see
whole salmon
Meaning your defense’s effectiveness diminishes greatly
glossy meteor
So a defense fleets is so you can stall?
whole salmon
But it does put a smile on my face every once in a while seeing someone walled
whole salmon
So a defense fleets is so you can stall?
Yeah, but it only matters to other people who move late, aka sandbaggers
Like 5-10 minutes before reset
Those who move before then likely won’t get walled
glossy meteor
Oh I get it now
pseudo copper
Those who move before then likely won’t get walled
pseudo copper
Likely walled if you are called Beth
glossy meteor
So does it matter whether or not you sandbag
whole salmon
Yes
pseudo copper
Or most casuels who don't know you can reset
pseudo copper
So does it matter whether or not you sandbag
more bagging = more score = higher eos
glossy meteor
Oh
pseudo copper
If you don't care about eos just means easier time getting aotn
whole salmon
You don’t need to hard sandbag but you need to know the fundamentals of how it works
pseudo copper
And more merit
whole salmon
Sandbagging is your main way to increase score relative to other people
glossy meteor
I never heard of this so Explain all I know is that if I win I go up by about 90 spots
whole salmon
Let me give live example
glossy meteor
Ok
pseudo copper
I'm already there dw
For example I have this guy, he's 47 points above me
If I attack a person far left as soon as I roll my list, usually is not a bonus
But as this guy is more than the bonus threshold of 35, he'll give me +1 over the base score
So I get +11 instead of +10
whole salmon
Rank 60 guy is 53 points ahead of me. Instead of getting a +10, you would get +11
Sandbagging is basically getting extra points through beating opponents at certain point difference
The importance is the points, not the ranks
pseudo copper
Rank 60 guy is 53 points ahead of me. Instead of getting a +10, you would get +1...
Fellow retiree 
glossy meteor
Srsly I always thought it was higher rank
whole salmon
Higher rank means higher points yes
But sometimes they are like only 34 points ahead
Beating them won’t give you bonus
pseudo copper
Someone below you gives you a -1 too
neon bronze
Even by one rank
pseudo copper
It's why we call Lil E dead btw, we already are at the stage of avoiding -1s since breaking through to 1050
whole salmon
High rank is usually left most
glossy meteor
Lil e?
pseudo copper
Lil Enty
whole salmon
Your list goes from highest points to lowest points
neon bronze
Give it a few seasons and you'll get the hang of it
glossy meteor
Oh
pseudo copper
Only updates when you relog btw
So if you wanna see if someone on your list moved
Need to relog or check leaderboards, easier to relog
glossy meteor
I never really cared about pvp too much
Until I got salty and needed gold bullins
glossy meteor
Oh
pseudo copper
Just nothing to do in this game
glossy meteor
Fair
Well this was game changing for me
Tbh I only care about pvp cause gold bullies when I need em
And salt from losing
Buth thanks thus info changes a lot for me
pseudo copper
Lil E 0 overcaps at 10/10
rustic bridge
stable dawn
@glossy meteor ayo, just curious. What server do you play on?
neon bronze
omg Saltybelfasr
floral wave
SaltyBelfasmr
glossy meteor
<@553055971748872223> ayo, just curious. What server do you play on?
Sandy
glossy meteor
Is it that bad
pseudo copper
It's dead so ez
pseudo copper
And Sandy players provide a lot of entertainment
glossy meteor
Hmm I prob should care a lot less about pvp then huh
whole salmon
A more accurate way to describe it is
Sandy currently lack competition
Relatively to the number of players
While Little Enty lack players in general so the top people are all smurfs
stable dawn
I heard some weird guild drama caused sandy pvp to basically disappear
pseudo copper
I wish that KMS simp earlier was Sandy, but no he is sadly Amagae
stable dawn
I wish that KMS simp earlier was Sandy, but no he is sadly Amagae <:Sleepnano:80...
poach him for the memes
pseudo copper
poach him for the memes
Don't believe he'll accept
pseudo copper
if i leave, that is
We have the secrets to beating Weeb too
neon bronze
stable dawn
smh it's not even a secret. It's publicly available knowledge.
pseudo copper
It is a secret
delicate mango
stable dawn
delicate mango
What's a weeb fleet?
whole salmon
The old days
pseudo copper
What's a weeb fleet?
One of the meta comps before Musashi came along
whole salmon
It refers to the 2 CV comp pre Musashi
pseudo copper
Was same time as Mafia
whole salmon
It is a high reliability fleet but requires quite high investment
Tho it was soon countered
floral wave
triple bb
whole salmon
Musashi became too crucial upon release
floral wave
and that one pink sugars comp
whole salmon
Weeb as a fleet excluded it
floral wave