pvp

[floral wave]

ur table+beaver

its the case with seyd only, since she naturally gets 80% preload

[nocturne zephyr]

Why beaver over hydraulic?

[floral wave]

speed buff

[nocturne zephyr]

Couldn't I just put it on a vanguard though? Anchorage could do hydraulic + beaver

[floral wave]

manjuu where then

[nocturne zephyr]

Oh, tru

[floral wave]

ancho wears kicks for even more speed

and manjuu

if you dont have kicks then you use a washing machine i guess

[nocturne zephyr]

Naw DW, I have kicks
Washing machine + Toolbox on Harbin and double Toolbox on Aya?

[floral wave]

got wirbel luft?

hp+speed aux

from ryza(?) collab

[nocturne zephyr]

Ah, nope

[floral wave]

pearl+toolbox aya if you dont have black torp

and double hp aux on harbin

[nocturne zephyr]

Black torp is the 533mm mag?

[floral wave]

or you can even pearl+oxytorp aya

ye thr aux that makes first torp volley magnetic

[little bobcat]

tell them from perseus event

[nocturne zephyr]

What torps do I run on Ayanami? I've been using Quad Mags. Do you leverage the magnetic part of the Black Torp's skill or nah?

[floral wave]

if you have a blacktorp you can use mark IX british torps

for mags it just increases damage of the first volley by 5% iirc

[little bobcat]

i ran teatorps even without black torp

[floral wave]

both mags and mark IX setups are good to run

[nocturne zephyr]

And in place of the pearl? I'm still working on my mementos so don't have it quite yet. Next will be it and the treaty

[floral wave]

yeah i did too but usually its not as effective

[floral wave]

then just a 500+ hp aux

[little bobcat]

imo it was best at missing competently paced vanguards and hitting a backline

[nocturne zephyr]

Fair enough. Let me put this all together. Sorry for all the questions

[little bobcat]

if it was a shit vanguard sometimes it wouldn't dodge and anchorage would eat the torps

which was annoying and forced a reset if i was vs shima

but

i got what i deserved for trying to force that

[floral wave]

questions are fine, dont worry

[floral wave]

i ran triple teatorps aswell

[little bobcat]

i run 550 anchorage teatorps ayanami and 533 quints juneau

[floral wave]

btw i noticed

youre using that new ca gun

[little bobcat]

oh yea

[floral wave]

how does it perform

[little bobcat]

i think it does fine but i will say

you have to stop expecting anchorage to help with the frontline

since kursk gun isn't as balanced as cheshire

but it makes anchorage do a lot more in 1v1 situations vs like a cv and stuff like that

[floral wave]

i used to run algerie gun before drek

[little bobcat]

which is what i +13ed it for

since a common issue i run into is everyone dying except my anchorage and 1 of the opponent's backline

oddly enough

[floral wave]

ye that happens

or used to, before i did triple bb

[little bobcat]

kursk gun p much speeds that process up if you're not willing to reset

[floral wave]

fair

[little bobcat]

i wouldn't say it's worth +13ing though

+10 it if you want since it's an actually good ca gun anyways

[floral wave]

i have too many guns to +13 before i could think about kursk gun

[little bobcat]

i still have a lot of guns to +13

most notably my 457s

yamato gun

harbin / tashkent guns

lmao

[floral wave]

too many to list, 2 tash guns, agir/kron guns, harbin or 137s, drek

still havent made a choice between harbin and 137s, mainly due to @stable dawn recently recommending 137s

[stable dawn]

tbh it's not that much of a difference. If you've already +13'd a harbin gun just use it

[floral wave]

i didnt +13 any yet, thats the point

[stable dawn]

[floral wave]

i was all set on harbonk guns and you made me doubt

maybe ill just test it more next season

[nocturne zephyr]

Double cata die Impero, or...?

[floral wave]

uh

were you around during joffre event?

[nocturne zephyr]

I think so

[floral wave]

feather+avi fuel then

you always want avi fuel on cvs

[nocturne zephyr]

Oh what, I got Joffre but not said feather

[floral wave]

cata then

[nocturne zephyr]

Aight. I'll also buy the avi fuel

[little bobcat]

no

they have the feather

what

tell them to check their mail

???????

[floral wave]

i mean

[little bobcat]

it was a raid event

[floral wave]

it was in mail?

[little bobcat]

yes

the feather was a raid event

i've never been confused that much by someone not having somethng

[floral wave]

i know but i dont remember how you acquired it

@nocturne zephyr might wanna check the mail for feather

[nocturne zephyr]

Uh, my mail's been empty since forever

[little bobcat]

??????????

im so confused

[floral wave]

ah i think i know

mustve started the raid when contribition was already at 0%

[stable dawn]

RIP

[floral wave]

meaning not eligible for clearing the raid rewards

[little bobcat]

maybe

[floral wave]

i mean

i forgor to buy blucher from event shop

shit happens

[little bobcat]

i don't think i've ever missed anything in an event that wasn't a point thing i purposefully skipped or a gear i literally couldn't get because i was too early

eg vanguard d2

but im a completionist loser so idk

[floral wave]

same, except the blucher

[nocturne zephyr]

Guess this means my last ring is going to Impero. Was on the edge as she's also part of my mob

[floral wave]

i wanted to oath impero

until i saw oath lines

[nocturne zephyr]

Lmao

[stable dawn]

[floral wave]

impero couldve been so good

just use her event lines and lutzow personality

but no

[stable dawn]

ungrateful and lazy.

[floral wave]

lazy is fine

[nocturne zephyr]

Sorting gear for doing my PVP is fucking aids. That took way too long

[stable dawn]

you can save presets

[nocturne zephyr]

Yeah but the presets are also aids and finicky as I'd also be using beaver, ect, outside of PVP on other ships

[floral wave]

still aids if you swap between pve/pvp daily

[stable dawn]

tbh I only wish it would just grab the unique gear from the ship that has it equipped

[floral wave]

yeah the gear swapping part is the worst part of pvp until you get so much shit that you pve with pvp gear on

[stable dawn]

instead of saying "oh we could not find a matching item"

[floral wave]

[little bobcat]

i can't think of a single time i've oathed for waifu reasons

[floral wave]

yeah that would be a nice qol

[floral wave]

i did just today

and first oath centaur

[nocturne zephyr]

Oof, you were right about that oath line. What a bitch
I usually don't care and skip all lines but oof

[floral wave]

and shinano i guess

[stable dawn]

I only oath for waifu reasons. It just so happens I like every pvp ship.

[little bobcat]

my most recent oaths were uh

i oathed 4 ships in 1 day

musashi anchorage juneau hiryuu

then i'm gonna oath nj when i get her EXCLUSIVELY to name her "big j"

[floral wave]

yeah like, there was so much potential in impero after reading her event

[stable dawn]

although once in a while I rage oath ships just because

[floral wave]

but then the actual lines hit

[nocturne zephyr]

Oh well
She'll forever be named LazyNut as Implacable has the nickname Imp and I can't think of anything else

[floral wave]

my todays waifu oath

[stable dawn]

Deathkt

[pseudo copper]

[floral wave]

youre getting the ring too borgar, just not yet

[stable dawn]

[floral wave]

noshiro already taken, but faction is correct

[stable dawn]

[nocturne zephyr]

Wow, Harbin really puts in work

[stable dawn]

yeah her double torpedo launch is nuts

[floral wave]

just like aya or shima can outdamage backline at times

[nocturne zephyr]

Well I'm at like rank 18500 right now, so I need to wait for actual opponents to start appearing
Zzz

[floral wave]

monday

too late in the season to find anything already

[nocturne zephyr]

Just need to 125 Ayanami and Impero but yeah, as long as this can guarantee me most fights and get me my Merit, that's all that matters

[floral wave]

youll still have to reset sometimes because gear difference

but its a solid team

just to make sure, you got aya's augment?

[nocturne zephyr]

Yeah, almost lost to an Aquilia + NJ. NJ hurts

[nocturne zephyr]

Yep

[floral wave]

cool

[floral wave]

well its a musashi less team in the age of musashi

[nocturne zephyr]

I returned right after her event (IIRC)

[floral wave]

hope for something broken in may

[nocturne zephyr]

I'll be happy once NJ reruns. FdG the best BB I have overall

[floral wave]

at this point i dont even know when nj is gonna happen

at least fdg is pretty solid now

[nocturne zephyr]

Yeah. Ten days and I'll have her FS5

[valid oxide]

NJ gonna be the CN Anni UR

[floral wave]

nah rerun for en

[nocturne zephyr]

How long will it take me to buy all ships for Merit
Looks like a while

[floral wave]

can take a while mainly due to randomness of appearing

yukana took few weeks before he got ryuujou in shop

[rustic bridge]

I hope this fleet bring me a wins

[neon bronze]

good luck

[rustic bridge]

I say nothing

[candid sluice]

pro player

[little bobcat]

PRO FLEET

[marsh sand]

[last berry]

Aotn with only gray ships, time to get ouscaled in next season XD

[neon bronze]

oh dear. got walled by kayame (in the past)

is manjuu nj good?

[little bobcat]

no

[neon bronze]

his weeb trashes my meeb

[little bobcat]

i've never had a problem with manjuu nj weeb

so

idk

[neon bronze]

manjuu nj is cruel, my 2 carriers will damage nj enough to proc manjuu, which is enough to deal more salvos

[little bobcat]

more defensive gear on backline maybe

[steel coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/936282905880195102/1099538333035663460/rip_bozo.gif

[stable dawn]

or finally +13 your wyverns

[nocturne zephyr]

First somewhat actual opponent
Despite my vanguard nuking themselves, still won

[lusty hill]

Congrats

[nocturne zephyr]

Didn't even have to worry about this fleet
Really nice

[copper dome]

[neon bronze]

generic

[valid oxide]

I think I saw that fleet

Amagi server player?

[rustic bridge]

Slap a dds

[valid oxide]

I use Aya and I'm thinking of switching to harb instead

[boreal comet]

The harb is real

[valid oxide]

How does harb do as sandwich torp ship?

[rustic bridge]

I think this is Impossible to win

[lusty hill]

salty belfast losing to bulin

[rustic bridge]

Yes

Have lose

[valid oxide]

I wouldn't put it past them

[lusty hill]

use your own bulin

[rustic bridge]

Enty have all one shoot

[valid oxide]

Enty easy

[sweet relic]

Disappointed that the guy didn't even lvl the bullins

[rustic bridge]

No no

[little bobcat]

entybad

[rustic bridge]

Enty totaly op

[pseudo copper]

[lusty hill]

No 1

[sweet relic]

That Trump guy..

[neon bronze]

So true. Got walled by someone with that fleet in Amagi.

[lusty hill]

Why do people walled

[stable dawn]

because pvp is a toxic gamemode

[neon bronze]

and i am certified bad player

can't even beat Weeb 😔

[pseudo copper]

Well since tourney is over, I'll hold a poll for next tourney timing for Amagi, I may increase the pool a bit since people asked me to make it more infrequent:

1️⃣ June 5th
2️⃣ June 19th
3️⃣ July 3rd
4️⃣ July 17th

[stoic moon]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-verne-over-the-hedge-turtle-disbelief-gif-24744867

[lusty hill]

make tourney for avrora

[pseudo copper]

Andy should make another global tourney™️ later this year

I'm not Avrora so dc about Avrora

[mellow charm]

https://tenor.com/view/gollum-lotr-filthy-little-thieves-gif-23309544

[pseudo copper]

@hollow valve mind unpinning this now? Thanks

[trail temple]

I have heard similar things about the prize pool winnings being quite small

[pseudo copper]

Yeah, since am making it infrequent I am raising the pool

[stable dawn]

a prize?

You guys don't just pvp for free???

[floral wave]

i pvp for food

[pseudo copper]

The prize is the memes we meet along the way

[sweet relic]

I play pvp to find the merit limit

[frigid hamlet]

I play PvP for oil

[lusty hill]

who's andy?

[pseudo copper]

Some noob in Washi

[stable dawn]

wasn't he that infamous level 100 cheater?

[lusty hill]

noobasian?

[rustic bridge]

Enti OP give ne Rapi

[trail temple]

Nah, I'm on Avrora

[lusty hill]

where's that screenshot saying you're a cheater

[rustic bridge]

Only to hard Fights

[sweet relic]

Same score but under

[rustic bridge]

0 wins

This to hard lose

[sweet relic]

Well if you are against me

Free win

[empty mesa]

Haxx.

[rustic bridge]

I need a better Power Lv my is to Low

[floral wave]

whoever gets the score earlier appears first on leaderboard

[sweet relic]

[ocean prairie]

Power level don’t mean shit

What you need is better ships

[floral wave]

another has fallen to saltybelfasts bait

[valid oxide]

I enjoy bait

Salty needs to get good and beat enty

[little bobcat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/870866122428256256/1100107094922895461/Azur_Lane_2023-04-24-10-12-17.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/870866122428256256/1100107101751222302/Azur_Lane_2023-04-24-10-12-42.jpg

GAMERING?

ARE WE GAMING BOYS

GAMIIIIIING

[valid oxide]

No drek gun smh

You aren't gamering

[little bobcat]

i ran out of protocores

[valid oxide]

Also not 200 aff yet

No gamering happening here

[little bobcat]

WAIT HOW CAN YOU TELL LOL

[valid oxide]

Just lies and deceit

[little bobcat]

I DIDNT KNOW YOU COULD TELL WHEN THEY WERE 200AFF

[valid oxide]

Because mine is 200aff on amagi and it has higher hp

[little bobcat]

oh

yea

i just oathed her so

does opsi give affinity

[valid oxide]

Click the thing that says oath and it should say affinity

[valid oxide]

No

[little bobcat]

ik about that

but i didnt know you could know it outside of that

[valid oxide]

I know her 200aff stats

Just because I have her 200aff myself

[little bobcat]

nerd alert

nerd right here

[valid oxide]

She has like 6700hp at 200aff

[little bobcat]

🚨 nerd 🚨

[valid oxide]

And around 270 fp

[sweet relic]

[rustic bridge]

my ships are good and Love

[little bobcat]

you using that gun emote for some reason makes me the angriest i could ever possibly be

[steel coral]

[stable dawn]

[winged depot]

[candid sluice]

lvl10 ancho skill 💀

[neon bronze]

what's with lvl 10 ancho skill

i'm Clueless

[steel coral]

bricked account

rip

[neon bronze]

💀

[little bobcat]

something something reload time

idk

idc

i'm not solely a pvper

it's something about keeping the proc chance at a middle ground (or just lv1 idr) so you can proc the torp load time decrease instead

for more smokescreens

[lusty hill]

pvper actually do that?

[little bobcat]

what

[tranquil badge]

probably talking about Ancho's smokescreen levels

[lusty hill]

yeah

gph told me I'm stupid for considering that

I didn't know pvper actually put her lvl 1 cuz I thought it's just a meme

[trail temple]

Gotta wait for her augment where they actually address it

[lusty hill]

Anchorage augment: torpedo preload deal 2x against enemy DD and a guarantee critical hit, damage is doubled if the target is shimakaze

[candid sluice]

2 times zero is still zero

[stable dawn]

[little bobcat]

anchorage needs a skin

i need to unleash my whel power

[trail temple]

Honestly, it just needs to remove the proc else condition it has on its barrage and torp reload reduction.

Which they should have done for fs5

[gritty quiver]

is oxytorp + gyroscope on aya a good idea

[lusty hill]

black mag + manjuu is better

[gritty quiver]

i have no black mag though

• im using rainbow quint so its not gna help

unless the homing stacks...?

[frigid hamlet]

manjuu Sakura ship

[lusty hill]

Oh shit sorry not manjuu I mean pearls

[lusty hill]

Oxytorp maybe fine if you're using rainbow quint

[gritty quiver]

okay thanks

[soft echo]

ryza ships shouldn't be allowed in pvp :L

rpg meme fleet is op af

[empty mesa]

Wtf, another Salty alt.

[soft echo]

literally do not know who who tf you're talking about

[empty mesa]

Sure.

[lusty hill]

why don't you use your own ryza?

[soft echo]

i dont have them

tbh from balance perspective, i'm always about level playing fields and any non-perm ships should be disabled for pvp

[lusty hill]

what your pvp fleet looks like

[soft echo]

not 125 is the first problem

[lusty hill]

show your fleet

[soft echo]

hang on

[sweet relic]

The problem is your fleet/gear, not the atelier Ryza collab ships lol

[empty mesa]

But they are so op tho.

[sweet relic]

[brazen socket]

They are op individually but do these ships synergize and work well off each other

[lusty hill]

your fleet do look solid but there are a lot of improvement that can be made for pvp

[soft echo]

only, they are op cause A) I have no access to them and B) rpg heals, cc effects, fucking screen wide lasers

even agir only gets one of those per fight normally.

[neon bronze]

looks like mid-game player.

[lusty hill]

pvp has a different gameplay mechanic that are different than pve therefore has a unique sets of ships that can be good on pvp

[neon bronze]

Show your entire dock, with SR and UR ships

[lusty hill]

you can check the pin for your fleet improvement, I assume you're a new player there's also a budget/begginer pvp fleet in the pin too

also not related to pvp but don't enhance more than +10 for your vanguard gun unless you know what you're doing, gold plates are so rare

[stable dawn]

I suggest looking at the pins

[floral wave]

youd still cry that somethingsomething is op so whats the point

[soft echo]

if everyone has access to it then it isn't criticism it's whining

[mystic salmon]

So when enemies refresh rating? I wanna keep this opponent

[stable dawn]

@soft echo From what it looks like you're not really in a position to do pvp competitively yet. Just use it as a way to get free EXP until you can beat all the content in the game.

The top pvpers are all endgame players who literally have nothing else to do.

[floral wave]

ryza is literally a meme defense fleet

[soft echo]

bad meta aside, if everyone has the same cards to play, then it really is just down to rng luck with the AI and save-scumming your battles to win them

[floral wave]

IF they did their exercises it will refresh upon relog

[stable dawn]

Wait

[mystic salmon]

S don't log out of acc or don't close game?

[stable dawn]

are you saying you actually think AL pvp is a skill based gamemode???

[floral wave]

no, thats what you want to do

opponents wont refresh

unless you tap the refresh button

[mystic salmon]

So I should not log out right?

[floral wave]

their score will refresh upon relog

you will keep that guy no matter what until you do a fight or refresh button

[mystic salmon]

I want them to stay at 1 ranking

[floral wave]

thats not gonna happen

[mystic salmon]

Even if I stay on this page ?

[floral wave]

yes

[mystic salmon]

[floral wave]

their rank doesnt matter

its their score that matters

if they stay at the same score they wont be rank1 anymore because others do their exercises too

[mystic salmon]

What is score?

[floral wave]

points

"seasonal"

[mystic salmon]

But they being first rank means by now they have the higher points on the server

[floral wave]

at the moment yes

[mystic salmon]

And leaderboard won't refresh on my device until I log out right?

[floral wave]

on your device it wont, but that doesnt matter

[trail temple]

Uhhh, none of these ships are OP in PvP. Enty is the closest to being "good", and that's still a long shot. She's pretty well countered in this meta environment

Unicorn is the copium you inhale when you want a preload carrier but lack a decent one yourself

[soft echo]

I +11'd the T0 items that are actually good

[floral wave]

[mystic salmon]

im about to +13 my sap DD gun

[trail temple]

dw, I did that too

💀

[floral wave]

neither champ gun, nor 100mm is good in pvp

[soft echo]

5 more bps for rainbow CA gun

[floral wave]

tenrai where

[stable dawn]

hopefully you didn't burn cores to get it

[last berry]

I got tenrai on le server

[lusty hill]

[soft echo]

twin 114 and the other pr bb gun i got

[floral wave]

114 is a waste of plates

over +10 that is

[soft echo]

why though

[neon bronze]

diminishing returns

[floral wave]

because theres better dd guns

[soft echo]

isn't it bis on like, most of the dds

[floral wave]

no

[neon bronze]

no

[stable dawn]

how far are you into the campaign? @soft echo

[soft echo]

12-1

[stable dawn]

you hit 12-1 with that gear?

[stable dawn]

any URs?

[soft echo]

the tier list literally has it in the top 4 slots, the others all being event guns or PR 5

[floral wave]

i mean, people on LE do it with worse gear

[stable dawn]

those are smurfs though

💀

[floral wave]

true

[trail temple]

Smurfs + a JP youtuber with a now bruised ego

[floral wave]

he still plays?

[lusty hill]

@soft echo you should always ask #gameplay-help if you want to enhance more than +10 gear

[soft echo]

corgi and sandy aren't retro'd yet so no

[stable dawn]

so no event URs

[trail temple]

No idea, I saw him on the ladder for the opening

[stable dawn]

[soft echo]

made the acc in jan, went on deployment for 2 months, started up in late march

[trail temple]

Nor do I don't play LE

[stable dawn]

I see

tbh not bad progress for like 1 month of gameplay

[trail temple]

NJ soonTM

[soft echo]

got 1 bp drop from frostfall and i went to 60k points before i said "this is a scam" and went back to campaign

[neon bronze]

New Jersey prayge

[stable dawn]

mini events

[neon bronze]

if i don't get her again, i'm rage quitting

[soft echo]

frostfall wasn't bad but the drop rate was a fucking scam

[stable dawn]

wait so that means you've probably never experienced a full sized 6 map event either

since we haven't had a new one in ages

[soft echo]

i could only farm TC3 solo fleet

[floral wave]

ah yes, he was on the board for the 4 day season, but not the next one

[soft echo]

I went and cleared chessboard for scharn and ginny so I could grind FdG

unlocked mainz today and swapped back onto FdG not realizing that I could have picked Odin instead and unlocked all her missions since grinding FdG makes me want to gouge my eyes out

[neon bronze]

[stable dawn]

well if you want to do serious pvp, FdG is kind of required until NJ rerun

[soft echo]

yeah i really think they should just like, increase the overall exp needed, and just make it "earn X exp with {faction} ships"

[stable dawn]

permanent content, play at your own pace

PRs will only get easier to unlock as time goes on

[neon bronze]

[soft echo]

cause main fleet grinding is giving me brain aneurysm

[stable dawn]

what

[last berry]

Main fleet easier

[trail temple]

That is literally the easiest one

[stable dawn]

I can grind a main fleet ship from 0 to 120 in the blink of an eye but a vanguard will take me a week

[soft echo]

the unlock exp, not leveling a ship

[trail temple]

Especially these days with oil cap

[stable dawn]

oh ok

[soft echo]

FdG is 3.6M main fleet exp

[floral wave]

fdg is also 700something prints

[stable dawn]

when in doubt spam 11-1

[trail temple]

I'd rather 3.6m main fleet exp than 3.6m vanguard fleet exp

[stable dawn]

best EXP/oil ratio map

[trail temple]

Flagship bonus + MVP bonuses are great

[last berry]

I just do 12-4

[stable dawn]

12-4 is also good

[soft echo]

and IB doesn't have any support mains so its either pray mob fleets can get smashed by bismarck and the ugly sisters without healing the vang or lose 25% of the exp to either shouhou or ryuuhou since unikai will always steal MVP

[stable dawn]

you don't need healing, you just need levels and gear

usually I start 11-1 with 100ish ships

[soft echo]

yeah im using IB mains in the SP3 event right now just to get the last 2 gun bps i need

[floral wave]

forget that gun

[trail temple]

[stable dawn]

how far are you in OP Siren?

[soft echo]

i think ch3

i've been doing op si toward the end of the week when my oil starts running low

[stable dawn]

well after ch5, opsi just becomes an open world endgame that resets once per month

it's how you get gold plates and rainbow tech prints

[soft echo]

yeah ive got some stuff already

[floral wave]

after 4 even

dont need to finish 5

[stable dawn]

fair

[soft echo]

i need 3 more gold elastomer so i can get z46 bis gun

[floral wave]

[soft echo]

sadge because z28 was on the shop for me yesterday and i had just bought a gold builn and couldn't get her

[trail temple]

Stryk's dying

[stable dawn]

[floral wave]

nvm it doesnt cost electronics

[stable dawn]

ok let's settle down for a moment

@soft echo How serious do you want to be in pvp? Do you just want to get some free merit, or do you actually care enough to devote to the craft?

[soft echo]

i mean, until most of my good ships are 125 I know I'm SOL because level plays a huge role in advantage

and unless I have some of the bonkers meta ships I can't hold a candle to most of the players

[stable dawn]

I see you still do not yet understand. Meta ships come and go. Gear is forever.

Why did most people not adopt Meeb? They couldn't be bothered to +13 3 wyverns and 1 tenrai

[empty mesa]

Nah, because it's slow af.

[stable dawn]

you're slow af smh

[soft echo]

i mean, the reason I cored the CA gun is purely because neuron activation for "i can get this now"

[trail temple]

Slow =/= bad

Shinaryuu was still favoured in PvP over preload until Aquila came out

[soft echo]

i'll be gone for 3+ months so its more about having things while I can use them and knowing I'll eventually farm the other stuff later

[stable dawn]

[brazen socket]

Thanks for explaining something I already know just said they are op in order to avoid an "akshually" moment

[trail temple]

If you already know, that makes it worse

You shouldn't spread misinformation

[brazen socket]

Actually genuine question, would you recommend people to use unicorn if they don't have other revealers or is it the same case as percy where yes you can use her for reveals but she barely does anything after the preloads

[uncut agate]

Unicorn preload isn't strong enough to reveal against strong fleets

[trail temple]

Only time I would recommend Unikai as a good ship and not copium, is on the lil enty server

[neon bronze]

otherwise, you'd be better off considering other options

[nocturne zephyr]

What does one use to beat such a fleet?

[pseudo copper]

Anything not shit

[neon bronze]

with some gears too... but i doubt any pvp gearing equipped on those ships.

so it ain't that hard to beat

[nocturne zephyr]

Or this

[neon bronze]

Avrora server likes their Yakuza fleets

You'll going to have trouble beating those

[nocturne zephyr]

I assume that unless I have ships like Musashi and NJ myself, I'm SOOL?

[neon bronze]

SOOL?

[nocturne zephyr]

Shit out of luck

[neon bronze]

and maxed-out gears, yes

[nocturne zephyr]

Right

[floral wave]

dont need nj, but yeah it might be rough for you right now

[stable dawn]

whose fleet is that anyway?

[neon bronze]

show name

[nocturne zephyr]

Don't know and don't care

[neon bronze]

damn, did the devs drop a new feature? don't remember names longer than 11~ characters

[stable dawn]

[sweet relic]

Avrora do be like that

[hidden robin]

fooking hell the tea torps are OP

[neon bronze]

always been like that

[fickle echo]

[rustic bridge]

i where never have tea torps

[empty mesa]

Salty!

What do you think about Ryza fleets? Are they too OP or not?

[rustic bridge]

single op is enty

is hard no op

enty is fuck fucking op

[empty mesa]

True. 😔

[rustic bridge]

yes child mobbing

[candid sluice]

yeah enty fuck hard

[rustic bridge]

yes enty is impossible to kill

enty is to strong

[lusty hill]

It's literally almost 8 hours and nobody moved now I have to use my 5 attempts without bonus

[sweet relic]

got 1 attempt used here

4h before reset

[rustic bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-chat-gato-gun-gunshot-gif-25764718

i need this for enty

[sweet relic]

Won't hurt her

cuz Lucky E

[rustic bridge]

luck e on ass luck cat kill she

[lusty hill]

Cheshire vs enty plane

[little bobcat]

juneau kai

vs enty plane

ez

[rustic bridge]

have nojuneau

[floral wave]

saltybelfast doesnt trust jesus

[hidden robin]

send them to jesus then

[empty mesa]

I wouldn't trust JeSUS either.

[nocturne zephyr]

Who's Jesus?

[rustic bridge]

Where is this

[floral wave]

juneau is a jesus

[rustic bridge]

OK

[nocturne zephyr]

Every 12h, so every recovery, I get 5 attempts right

[winged depot]

its 12 hours, 6 hours and 6 hours so that's 15 attempts

[glossy burrow]

T80 in Avrora

How are the ties broken?

[lusty hill]

I think it's the first one to get the score be the higher one

[neon bronze]

Time, a guy with the same points as you will be higher by virtue of him finishing first

[rustic bridge]

on rank 29k by avora

i need anti enty gear

Prinz Eugen on luck e

i need fucking ur gears on pvp

my fleet power is to low

[lusty hill]

Eugen

[rustic bridge]

yes

[glossy burrow]

Okay, I’m working on my fleet still Hiryuu, NJ, and Juneau need to get upped

For now…. FdG, York2, Enty, / Anchorage, Yuudachi, An Shan

Yes, it’s not meta, but I am working on it.

[lusty hill]

why is AP gun recommended on anchorage but not cheshire gun?

[neon bronze]

Penetration and stuff, since AP shots can pierce thru one ship, hitting two ships

[stable dawn]

also anchorage tends to live long enough to attack the enemy backline

[lusty hill]

but isn't most vanguard in pvp is light armor?

like the only exception is anchorage herself

[gritty quiver]

theres more value in hitting more targets than doing more dmg to a single target

[lusty hill]

I see

[gritty quiver]

and like bongo said anchor is basically a brick so she will live to shoot the backline pretty often

[lusty hill]

not my anchorage

man my +13 cheshire gun is a waste then

[frigid hamlet]

as expected

[pseudo copper]

+13ing CA guns

I rather +13 Ply BB secondaries than CA guns

[lusty hill]

well I was under the assumption that it is the second best CA gun for all use and since anchorage is best in pvp then +13 is good call

[neon bronze]

[stable dawn]

the only CA gun you should ever +13 is drake gun

[lusty hill]

yeah but I never do series 3

[gritty quiver]

just get a copy with protocore

[lusty hill]

that's why I thought +13 cheshire gun is best copium

[stable dawn]

the real question is why are you +13ing vanguard weapons

those are usually last prio

[lusty hill]

I saved it for georgia gun

[lusty hill]

isn't it like common for pvper?

[gritty quiver]

tbf theres not much u can do with main gun parts after u +13 yr champys

[lusty hill]

also since I don't have shimakaze then I need to put the best even if it mean minmaxing

[stable dawn]

my guy, anchorage is not going to outdamage any torpedo lol

[lusty hill]

my reasoning was that cheshire gun can kill shimakaze

[stable dawn]

actually, what is your current comp anyway?

[rustic bridge]

give me 457mm gun

[lusty hill]

I'm currently using mk ultra

[stable dawn]

do you have harbin?

[rustic bridge]

i have only dev 1 harbin

[lusty hill]

I have harbin but not shimakaze

I use ancho ayanami harbin

[stable dawn]

well that explains a lot

Avrora has a lot of super strong fleets so it might actually be better to run Ancho + Harbin + Juneau

[lusty hill]

Juneau in triple BB

[stable dawn]

you don't have NJ or Shima, so you have to outlive your enemies

[lusty hill]

hmm I see

tho I don't have skill issue right now but I'll keep that in mind if I encounter some crazy strong fleet

[stable dawn]

[trail temple]

Like Famine's?

With his op shimakaze?

[lusty hill]

All shimakaze are op

[nocturne zephyr]

Thanks. Bit of a weird way of doing it

[neon bronze]

Sleep is a thing

[candid sluice]

devs cant divide 24 by 3

[stable dawn]

[lusty hill]

you guys sleep?

[sweet relic]

[rustic bridge]

More oxy for Here

[lusty hill]

Where's the augment

[rustic bridge]

Have i not

[lusty hill]

Try getting augment and see how you'll improve

[winged depot]

[pseudo copper]

EN wasn't targeted audience

Just be like CN and JP with 1 timezone

[floral wave]

just use vpn

[pseudo copper]

I use NArdVPN

[floral wave]

best vpn out there

[lusty hill]

Do vpn actually works

Wait wouldn't that doesn't make any difference since you would still live and sleep according to your timezone

[candid sluice]

it works if you use nardvpn

[lusty hill]

How much for nardvpn

[pseudo copper]

It's not a fixed price, changes based in what you have

[lusty hill]

[floral wave]

does nardvpn offer services on avrora tho

[steel coral]

an opportunistic entrepreneur has no room for petty biases

NArdVPN only has 1 rule:

It's your fault

[neon bronze]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/579474912092094505/1063141156126466128/ThatsTrue-6.gif

[valid oxide]

Between d25 Harbin and noshiro, who will work better in an aggro vanguard

[little bobcat]

harbin sucks until d30

25 functions fine for tanking, but she'll be a deadweight in pvp

[neon bronze]

help banned individual, i wonder who this guy is

[neon bronze]

use noshiro until if you can get harbin to dev30

[valid oxide]

Ok

[rustic bridge]

OK my Harbin is dev0

[candid sluice]

literally unusable

[nocturne zephyr]

dev0
409 prints

I'm always dumbfounded by this "man"

[sweet relic]

he is just trolling

[nocturne zephyr]

Keeping up such a thing for this long has to take a different species of human

[valid oxide]

Best bait ever

Salty bait never gets old

Too good

[rustic bridge]

Nö she is lv 1

[rustic bridge]

[sweet relic]

[rustic bridge]

What i find Harbin ugly

And have No gears for here

[nocturne zephyr]

I'm surprised Salty even has access to this channel

[sweet relic]

cuz no one minds

he is the entertainment here

[nocturne zephyr]

Ehhhhg

[sweet relic]

[rustic bridge]

[sweet relic]

[hollow walrus]

I mean at most 1% of ALO cares about this channel so he's free reign here

[neon bronze]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/724756473703563394/941060247475343390/caption.gif

[floral wave]

at least its a r-word free zone most of the time thanks to the fact alo doesnt care about it

[rustic bridge]

no

OK have Here Gear give

[sweet relic]

could be worse

[rustic bridge]

is good enought

[sweet relic]

[rustic bridge]

is for me good gears

[little bobcat]

it's my monthly rebrand

[little bobcat]

this is good

[autumn quest]

@floral wave is nj,hiryuu and shinano better than fdg,nj and aquila?

All mlb ofc

[neon bronze]

not stryk, but yes
prefer a proper fleet compared to downgrade fleet

it still works well... though it's noted that it's one of the more expensive fleets

[autumn quest]

My shinano isnt mlb yet that's why he recommended me this fleet it works wonder still

I only lost once or twice in 100 fights

my brackets are easy tho

I only started recently to meet fleet like musashi,fdg and nj

[little bobcat]

yes but as beth said it's very high investment

meeb is arguably a less expensive backline due to not requiring a UR main gun and i still don't even have a max meeb xd

[neon bronze]

given the fleets he's using, i don't think he has musashi

[little bobcat]

yes iik

i was just saying

i think nj variant is called weeb so

[trail temple]

It is

[candid sluice]

meeb is more expensive it needs multiple +13 wyvers

[little bobcat]

why would weeb not?

it's still hiryuu / shinano

[candid sluice]

i didnt say anything about weeb

theyre the same investment

[stable dawn]

aren't you Letan?

[little bobcat]

i was talking about the expense between weeb and meeb

and this implies that you use the 3* ijn gun on weeb

which i severely doubt

and i would argue that the 457 costs more than the 356kai

[little bobcat]

why do you ask this every time i change names

or was this supposed to be some gotcha moment

[stable dawn]

I wasn't sure if you were ngl

people come and go in ALO so fast it's hard to keep track

[candid sluice]

oh its letan

[little bobcat]

oh yea

ig

[winged depot]

just keep a note on lel

[little bobcat]

but you have to be at least a decently old member to be help-banned

[stable dawn]

Discord has a note limit. I hit it years ago.

[neon bronze]

people use notes?

[candid sluice]

you gotta be on a different level to be help banned

[little bobcat]

nah i was targetting iris

i should've gotten a full ban

but i don't talk anywhere outside of help

so they didn't realize that

[winged depot]

help ban is the gamer tag

[neon bronze]

btw, what's the help ban experience? can't type in gph, or can't even see the channel?

[little bobcat]

can't see the channel

you'll get a pm from z23 too

[neon bronze]

oh that's actually okay lmao

[little bobcat]

You have been warned in Azur Lane Official. Reason:

Due to multiple infractions in the channel you have been gameplay-help banned. Any attempt to evade the ban will be treated as punishment evasion. This ban is unappealable, please appeal the previous valid warnings via the Azur Lane Dashboard, if you choose to do so.
You have been evicted from ⁠No Access in Azur Lane Official. Reason: Channel banned due to accumulation of multiple infractions.

[candid sluice]

not being able to see the channel is a blessing

[neon bronze]

[little bobcat]

they're all dumbasses yea

but there's a few good people in there

riceist is a bit rude but he does actually have a brain

luo is cool

cad

[floral wave]

just block z23, wont get dm

[little bobcat]

pretty much all the actives that aren't newbies

[little bobcat]

no i love getting warn messages LOL

especially if i get muted

i love just posting the mute message right after i'm unmuted

because it annoys the lurking mods and they know they can't do shit about it

since it doesn't break any rules it's just annoying

[floral wave]

how did they not include it in the rules

[little bobcat]

most channels don't include a rule specifically for "don't post messages from our bot"

because that's stupid

and no one does that

at most the staff will just loophole you into a server annoyance rule or smth

but you can argue with them about that in general chat if they're not mods of a popular server and just cause even more chaos

[candid sluice]

ignoring them is best

they dont get the satisfaction

[little bobcat]

mods are at their worst when they realize you've made them derail the entire convo

i've noticed that in some general chats

smth smth reputation to uphold, idk
i'm not an egotistical moderator so i wouldn't know exactly why

[winged depot]

lmao

[lusty hill]

truly player vs player moment

[little bobcat]

it really is

pvp is the most sane alo chat

except #technology

[frigid hamlet]

I am deeply sad that I wasn't included in your list

[neon bronze]

[little bobcat]

ur cool too

but ur also kind of a dick like rice lol

[frigid hamlet]

I'm the nicest

[lusty hill]

someone should make tierlist for gph helper

[candid sluice]

theyre all f tier

[floral wave]

wouldnt be able to publish it here tho

[neon bronze]

include me in the screenshot

[floral wave]

r word banned

[floral wave]

youre already there

i dont remember the command tho

[neon bronze]

beth?

[floral wave]

unlucky or its a different one

[neon bronze]

mb

[pseudo copper]

Last time someone made one, got

But in general, #gameplay-help is 🚮

[lusty hill]

Triple BB bad

[neon bronze]

should still be winnable unless if your seydlitz already proc'd her invul

[candid sluice]

the saltybelfast experience

[lusty hill]

Nah aquila would still oneshot it

This wouldn't happen if I have shimakaze

[winged depot]

[floral wave]

hey guys, are the new ships good in pvp?

[neon bronze]

[pseudo copper]

Real question is, are you good?

[floral wave]

no, but thats already a known fact

whyd you ask

[pseudo copper]

Then no, no ship is good in your hands

[floral wave]

not even shimakaze?

[pseudo copper]

Nope

Shima can't save you from that level of

[floral wave]

toxic

you cant say skill issue in alo

[pseudo copper]

I didn't

Shima did

[floral wave]

finally shima can get banned like so many people wish

[stable dawn]

[neon bronze]

Fact.

[lusty hill]

I hope luna fast reload have bullshit barrage damage that can oneshot shimakaze

[trail temple]

[candid sluice]

I hope these new ships can get me 2600 eos without having to log in to the game

[valid oxide]

[neon bronze]

asking, what's with Jervis in PvP?

i know she doesn't hold a candle to Anchorage here

[valid oxide]

Idk man

I've also seen a weird amount of Kronstadts

[lusty hill]

I use jervis for meme fleet

[valid oxide]

I've seen good backliners but with kronk agir poi as the frontline

[empty mesa]

Rainbow good.

[lusty hill]

Meta fleet in the works

[candid sluice]

jarbus used to be pvp meta

[lusty hill]

Who

[empty mesa]

Jarbussy.

[wicked surge]

She doesn’t, ricest post barrage already

[little bobcat]

can u show me the datamine

what r the thoughts on the new collab shiops

[wicked surge]

For barrage just search

from: Riceist #3504 has:image, remove space ofc

For collab ship , cvl is interesting , everything else is standard borefest

[little bobcat]

cvl is interesting how

[wicked surge]

2 semi preload then 2 slow load

[little bobcat]

any notable damage?

[wicked surge]

Eh, not sure until people start testing

[little bobcat]

guess i wont roll then

[floral wave]

theres no slow load with aug

so 2x 50% semi preload and then regular

but shes 2/0/4

[neon bronze]

Oh no

[harsh knot]

Ran out of gems to finish

[neon bronze]

It's UNULTRA

[little bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/azur-lane-pvp-alm-akagi-gif-22447217

[whole salmon]

The 2 Semi reload just means she would be able to send 2 airstrikes in 20 sec. Preload also gives you 2 airstrikes in 20 sec. The only advantage of this is that it dodges Ancho’s shield window

But the CVL’s damage seems low

2 x 140 fighter, 4 x 140 torpedo bomber

[wicked surge]

yeah that cvl aint gonna do much

[whole salmon]

Which is less planes and less efficiency compared to Independence

The timing concept is actually quite nice

[lusty hill]

Not with that attitude

[whole salmon]

Since it is still before BBs firing

But after Ancho’s shield window

So this being implemented on a stronger ship would be quite interesting

[neon bronze]

[unreal mica]

if the amount of coins i get is dependent on the amount of oil i use per sortie, does that mean i get more coins if i use subs?

[candid sluice]

idk there are no submarines in pvp

[unreal mica]

sry wrong chat lol

[pseudo copper]

Yes, but you use more oil

[neon bronze]

[little bobcat]

how good is this event for grinding

[pseudo copper]

Nothing special, get points you want and leave unless farming for gear skins

[little bobcat]

ye i need gear skins
does it have oil cap or do i need 1:1?

[pseudo copper]

Oilcap sp4

[little bobcat]

aight

shit exp and coin i assume

[pseudo copper]

Still oilcap so better than anything below 9, so will still outpace chip gain xp wise, but coin is where you suffer

[little bobcat]

rip

i need chips tho

so

[pseudo copper]

Shop + event point + EX should offer nice boost

[little bobcat]

3900 total

[pseudo copper]

1 SR almost 2nd yeah

Nice boost

[little bobcat]

ye

[lusty hill]

[rustic bridge]

I hate enty

[cold charm]

are Aquila, Anchorage, NJ, Juneau and Musashi are cracked/cancer ships on pvp rn?

[merry vale]

I guess?

Aquila is a bit less cracked but i like her, Anchorage is just a wall. NJ and Musashi are actually cracked, Juneau just dies for your sins.

[valid oxide]

If anybody other than warspite dies to aql then it's a skill issue

[fickle echo]

Imagine being an UR BB and not having a damage reduction skill

[rustic bridge]

die you evil OP ship

[candid sluice]

youre forgetting the sh*ma ship

[valid oxide]

NJ

[frigid hamlet]

NJ has 5% damage reduction and 15% AA

[little bobcat]

aquila mid tbh

after testing her more i don't feel like she has enough raw dmg to have a niche outside of revealing

[little bobcat]

@frigid hamlet

does this ex require manual

[frigid hamlet]

#media-content
It's auto able with some RNG and top end gear

Ply/Harbin/CB with anchorage and Helena

[little bobcat]

thanks

[lusty hill]

did I overcap? I forgot if I had used my attemp before I slept

[candid sluice]

If you were bagging then yes

[stable dawn]

[lusty hill]

[trail temple]

That or got garbage luck

I think I got that on washy a couple of times when I was just getting no movers

[rustic bridge]

Kill a fuck OP Schiff Enterprise

She is to strong on pvp

[little bobcat]

true true

[little bobcat]

i think u forgot who i am

[valid oxide]

Is Marie rose a viable cope shima alternative for lil e

[trail temple]

I'd say Ayanami is a bit better

[valid oxide]

Aya is more effort, am lazy

Then again, instead of getting Aya I initially farmed all 60 for noshiro on my main

But I wasn't being lazy then

[little bobcat]

is marie rose a torp dd

wtf

i never knew that

i thought she was a gunboat

[valid oxide]

Gunboat

She hasn't got an AoA so she can just equip gunboat guns though

She is like javelin if javelin didn't suck

[little bobcat]

tbf i never even looked at her skills in the first place

that's why i never knew

[pseudo copper]

She's a dock decoration

[little bobcat]

all collab ships are

[neon bronze]

chise is decent

here

[little bobcat]

oh right

chise is a thing

[placid cave]

why is avgas recommended for CVs in pvp?

[neon bronze]

the hp it gives + plane speed

well, it gives more hp to planes, not the ship

[placid cave]

is it better than catapult in pvp?

[neon bronze]

and in this gamemode where plane hp is basically quadrupled, crash dmg (based on plane hp) becomes downright good for dealing dmg

[neon bronze]

catapult is baseline, can use feather for a bit less avi but added eva, which is neat on backlines because they don't have much eva stat

[placid cave]

i see

so is 2 avgas the optimal build?

[uncut agate]

avgas skill doesn't stack, only 1 avgas per carrier at max

[placid cave]

i see

one more question, why are black shells not recommended for BBs?

[uncut agate]

they don't provide hit stat

[pseudo copper]

FP not as valuable of a stat as hit and eva

[placid cave]

i see

[neon bronze]

besides. all the bbs in pvp meta rn don't really need more fp

[little bobcat]

typically you'd use catapult alongside avgas

but as beth said feather is usually a better option

i think there's a few other auxes that are good too

but i don't remember them

[floral wave]

theres a pvp guide in pins for a reason

it also has gear section for a reason

[little bobcat]

yeah but it's rather rude to be lazy and just direct ppl to the guide constantly

you shouldn't be so lazy to the point you just immediately tell ppl to use the guide

send them to the guide if they wanna know not insanely basic info and no one here usually asks very complicated questions

[floral wave]

so the guide is useless

[winged depot]

the questions are most likely the same, hence the redirection to the guide on pins

[neon bronze]

just memorize gear recommendations for each and every ship

[floral wave]

there are some other good aux but dont remember
pointed to the guide
bruh you dont have to point to the guide, can just list all of them

[stable dawn]

yeah I memorized the entire guide. That's why I'm totally the best pvper

[neon bronze]

[winged depot]

[flat veldt]

I have the pvp guide saved as my phone wallpaper

[fickle echo]

Only the true believers who read the pvp guide will be saved from the curse of skill issue

[pseudo copper]

There's a pvp guide?

[lusty hill]

Using the guide is cheating

It's like you're in exam and you bring a book while others would study for days before

[floral wave]

well, asking for advice is cheating aswell then

[stable dawn]

is it really cheating if it's an open book exam?

[candid sluice]

the pvp guide is like my bible

[little bobcat]

the guide is useful if u want to investigate more

[floral wave]

no

its useful for anything thats not "how does x work"

[little bobcat]

would u redirect the smartest al-general member to the guide and just expect them to know absolutely everything in it

[floral wave]

no, al general members are morons

[little bobcat]

that's my exact point

[floral wave]

nothing will help them