pvp

[little bobcat]

im not making that mistake again

[neon bronze]

dunno why you rebrand though

[little bobcat]

i do it a lot

[floral wave]

why not use ayanami then

[little bobcat]

she sucks

[floral wave]

shes fine

[zinc phoenix]

Oh you are letan (mind blown). Have a good day

[little bobcat]

wasn't it obvious

[candid sluice]

u get to a point in this game where u do nothing else except raise pointless ships

nobody cares about "mat waste"

[floral wave]

even if she misses everything shes a speed statstick at least

[winged depot]

who tf ping

[floral wave]

sorry senpai

[open reef]

Hallo

[woeful raft]

@little bobcat ты тут местный мем-шут?

[candid sluice]

[hollow walrus]

[little bobcat]

🥱

[woeful raft]

впринципе понятно

[winged depot]

All I see is a massive skill issue

Gn

[neon bronze]

man's using Meeb and still lose

why

[little bobcat]

i don't think i've actually lost a single exercise in like 3 months

i just don't like wasting my time resetting against flawed mafia #8283828412384 because i got unlucky with aya's torps

[little bobcat]

^^^

[winged depot]

Just use yukikaze like 2 guys here used

[woeful raft]

wtf ?

[winged depot]

mady and kotori got t10 with yukikaze

[candid sluice]

havent lost an exercise yet resetting a buncha times

[woeful raft]

What do you care?

[candid sluice]

thats like saying i didnt lose because i never participated

[little bobcat]

resetting is free

got a problem?

take it up with the devs

not me

[candid sluice]

only problem here is your skill

or lack thereof

[little bobcat]

not having shima = skill issue

[woeful raft]

🤣

[candid sluice]

its almost like there are lots of ppl whove top laddered without her

[floral wave]

thinking you need shima is a skill issue

[candid sluice]

literally

[little bobcat]

those are other people not me

whats ur point

[candid sluice]

that you lack skill

[floral wave]

the skill issue on your part

[candid sluice]

and reading comprehension too

[little bobcat]

ok?

and?

[floral wave]

id tell you but bot isnt gonna allow it

unfortunately

[little bobcat]

skill issue

simply

[candid sluice]

🍼 👶

[little bobcat]

🦜

[floral wave]

man wheres shima rerun, id like to hear next excuse

[winged depot]

Chill out

[little bobcat]

yeah chill out

we don't want drama in the #pvp channel do we

[woeful raft]

the dude plays with his eyes closed and does not understand why everything is bad for him 🤣

[winged depot]

not like any argument will make him do better, when he clearly can

[candid sluice]

u can lead a donkey to water but cant make it drink

[pastel jolt]

Retired

94/89

[winged depot]

Still biggest kotori fan

[pastel jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1047658261714845776/1084840195867803758/IMG_1170.png?width=901&height=675

lel, retired

[winged depot]

Yukikaze diff

[pastel jolt]

Yukikaze is bad though, saw so many people saying recently

So I had to try for once and prove them wrong

Yukikaze in an age when Musashi exists... wouldn't take that risk. Use either Ayanami retrofit w/ her unique augment or Noshiro.

[woeful raft]

I don't have Shima, so I use Yuki or Noshiro, gets into the top 10-20, and don't cry like a Letan clown

[empty mesa]

[little bobcat]

throwing insults now

[winged depot]

[little bobcat]

typical war starter

[pastel jolt]

:askek:

[fickle echo]

Real pvp

[woeful raft]

pohui bro

[pastel jolt]

Letan, how many points are you at?

[winged depot]

hi ari

[little bobcat]

idk im still doing genshin dailies

[fickle echo]

[little bobcat]

not enough points to make me wanna do pvp later though

[pastel jolt]

If it's 12+ i don't think you lost a fight, you'll catch up anyways

Just typical rusher score

[little bobcat]

might catch up

who knows

[winged depot]

time to sleep frfr

[woeful raft]

he doesn't know how many points he had, he plays with his eyes closed

[little bobcat]

like this

[neon bronze]

kek. kind of changed my mind on yuki
still haven't actually raised yuki to 125 myself. absolute laziness

[woeful raft]

go grind 3-4 bro

[little bobcat]

125, i usually start with high 130s so

doutb i could recover

nor do i care enough to find out

[pastel jolt]

Still can

[little bobcat]

we'll see by the end of today

still another 12h for attempts so

[hollow walrus]

next attempts is in 5 hrs

[little bobcat]

total attempts

[woeful raft]

🤣

[hollow walrus]

Oh right yeah

[little bobcat]

man i made the russian mad

permanent grudge now

sadge

[fickle echo]

You can't make him mad when he's already MADyxz

[little bobcat]

true

[candid sluice]

oh that guy is leten

makes a lotta sense

[little bobcat]

is this supposed to be a huge discovery

why do all of you somehow not realize immediately

[pastel jolt]

because u change name

[fickle echo]

The biggest discovery of pvp history: Letan

[woeful raft]

you're an ordinary whiner, how can you make me angry? I'm just laughing at you

[neon bronze]

[little bobcat]

permanent aggro

scp-096

[candid sluice]

clown fiesta

[woeful raft]

clown

[little bobcat]

they're going straight for the jugular

[fickle echo]

All this would be avoided if got AotN before

[little bobcat]

^

[floral wave]

how are you 125 if you got 28 26 29

[pastel jolt]

[empty mesa]

First set is overrated tbh. I got good EoS score even with bad start.

[candid sluice]

anyone wanna play uno

[pastel jolt]

Can we play gen 9 ou

[little bobcat]

gen 8 ou

[pastel jolt]

Gen 1

[little bobcat]

nat dex ou

[candid sluice]

ou is cringe real men play lc

[little bobcat]

lc is so boring

[fickle echo]

The real pvp tournament

Play metronome battle

[candid sluice]

theres shimakaze in lc

[fickle echo]

Isn't Shima evolved Ayaya?

[candid sluice]

no shes a regional variant

[little bobcat]

https://pokepast.es/f5c09f3057c50b80

i got to 1900 back then with this

[fickle echo]

Gen 8

[little bobcat]

very chad kart cleanup

bait out threats with lele and then kart just wipes

very basic balance team

[trail temple]

@lusty hill is a pvp mr beast

[trail temple]

Gorrillaz also got eos with a scuffed preloadfl fleet

[stable dawn]

I've done it with a 128 start. 134 is considered good.

[trail temple]

I've won a season where my 1st week Friday 1st reset score was 1020s

[zenith lantern]

I overcapped first week, ended with first 2600 on Lexi in forever. First week doesn't matter.

[pseudo copper]

I overcapped 15 and ended 1st after 1d offline

[valid oxide]

Highest I've been and will ever be

[pseudo copper]

Set your secretary as Cheshire for extra luck

[rustic bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/essex-azur-lane-cheshire-gif-25912149

[valid oxide]

I was very wrong

I was #1 for a few seconds

What a great achievement

Where I stand assuming nobody else overtakes me

With my terrible fleet too

[pseudo copper]

Bonuses don't care what fleet you use

[keen juniper]

Why you call my MVP sucks? She got me EoS , skill issue

[floral wave]

remember, you cant get aotn without shima

[fickle echo]

Y'all cheaters

[floral wave]

seyd cheat enabled

too bad it doesnt help me against overcapping

[little bobcat]

would it be worth 125ing juneau

i assume just

do it anyways

[winged depot]

pretty much

[little bobcat]

kay

i have nothing to use arrays on so

is my priority still just

get a third wyvern for hiryuu

and maybe replace juneau's main gun

[neon bronze]

juneau's main gun doesn't really matter compared to the third wyvern for Meeb

[fickle echo]

Isn't your Hiryuu still 120?

[little bobcat]

no

i just now 125'd

along with juneau

[fickle echo]

[little bobcat]

so now the whole fleet is 125 after forever

i was too lazy to

[little bobcat]

yeah, but i can't really see much else to do

and i get a wyvern whenever the game decides to give me 1 more print

[neon bronze]

then go for both i guess
just do opsi abyssals/arbiter for that one print

[little bobcat]

waiting for strongholds / coords rn

actually i do have another thing i need to replace

but i have to wait for perseus war archive

[fickle echo]

You can just defeat Arbiter if you didn't yet

[little bobcat]

already did sadly

[winged depot]

cope with cats to get em

and then they gave you UR main gun prints

[rain palm]

Since I don't have a shimakaze yet, is gold magnetic torp aux better then rainbow torp aux on ayanami? Or is there a better torp dd that isn't shimakaze?

[pseudo copper]

Mag torp with parallel, Shima best torp DD in game

[rain palm]

:/ can't wait for rerun 🥺

[winged depot]

there are also good non dd options like harbin which is on pr 5

[pseudo copper]

Ykkz also relatively easy to get from light build

[rain palm]

Ykkz performs better then aya retro?

[pseudo copper]

I prefer her over Aya myself

[winged depot]

I prefer aya but it just depends on what works with you

[pseudo copper]

In PvP you have attacker advantage and ability to reset as many times as you'd like

[rain palm]

Wild I'll have to check it out, do you have an example of a main fleet without Shima? I'm at 96% completion so I'm really only missing shima

[pseudo copper]

So ship and gear choice can be down to preference

[pseudo copper]

Same as normal comps but Aya/Ykkz instead of Shima usually

[rain palm]

Gotcha

[pseudo copper]

You can put in Harbin, though can get an issue of speed, though also a matter of preference imo

[winged depot]

with all that collection and no shima is wild, but rng do be rng I guess or did you just miss the event

[pseudo copper]

Might've quit for event or smth

4% is about an event

[winged depot]

sadge

[rain palm]

Oh yeah I quit for a bit after nj then came back for the Collab right after

I was very on and off with the game back then

[winged depot]

NJ, Musashi and either aquila/shinano is the standard backline.

or you can go triple bb with vanguard/fs 5 fdg/seydlitz (I guess)

[pseudo copper]

Meeb also an option, though rather expensive

And too slow for my liking

[rain palm]

Only unit I don't have levelled for meeb is hiryuu I think and ofc shima

[pseudo copper]

Vanguards for p much all fleets is Ancho, Shima, Juneau/Harbin, so it's just a poverty option till you get her

[little bobcat]

is harbin for more offense

[pseudo copper]

Yeah, it's offense vs consistency

[little bobcat]

ah

[trail temple]

Nothing feels better than shima and harbin blowing ships out of the water

[pseudo copper]

[fickle echo]

[little bobcat]

is shima + harbin just for hyperoffensive bb fleets and shit

i assume stally stuff like meeb prefers juneau

[fickle echo]

Harbin is hyper offensive and Juneau is stall

If your backline is able to do damage early you would want Harbin to get early kills

If they do most of their damage late then you need Juneau to make sure they'll survive enough to be able to do any damage

[little bobcat]

i see

[trail temple]

I use Shima and harbin generally

Even on weeb

[lusty hill]

I overcap and lost one attempt

[little bobcat]

#12 after final reset of the day

i guess that'll do

didn't wait long enough

[neon bronze]

it's early season, overcaps mean nothing

just bag harder

[golden lantern]

is there a method for pvp when you get 5 battles to fight higher ranked enemies to get more score or its random

[trail temple]

#pvp message

Also in pins

[tacit fox]

What is the difference between gyro and boiler for harbin?

[trail temple]

gyro gives more hit, boiler gives more HP, that's about it, speed is the same

[neon bronze]

[gritty quiver]

ayanami or poi btr for pvp assuming ancho and juneau as other 2 slots

[valid oxide]

Should I be prioritising 125ing ayaya to replace noshiro?

Also still going strong yay

[novel agate]

flavorful

[trail temple]

What's your other vanguard ships?

Ayaya does benefit from Noshiro's buffs too

[neon bronze]

[tribal portal]

What did it cost..

[valid oxide]

Ancho Juneau

[boreal pendant]

what should i look for in my exercise fleet?

[topaz citrus]

Who do you have currently that can work as PvP ships?

[boreal pendant]

i dont know the meta

[topaz citrus]

One of the meta fleet I suppose

[boreal pendant]

i have none of them XD

[topaz citrus]

Then you don't need to stress about it for now

I personally use this scuff fleet

Just use any 2 BB + 1 CV & 3 tanky vanguard ships you have for now

[boreal pendant]

health tank or evasion tank?

[topaz citrus]

Main tank I would put HP tank like Agir, Anchorage. Any of the large cruiser you have can work

I've seen people run Kronstad + 2 DDs

Or Azuma with Shima & Noshiro

With Nagato + 2 CVs as backline

[boreal pendant]

Is this any good?

[floral wave]

cbs are shit

[topaz citrus]

Agir is not dev30 eh? I wouldn't use her if so. Do you any tanky CA like Roon muse or Anchorage?

[boreal pendant]

Eugen

[topaz citrus]

I guess she can work if she's higher level

I would suggest you to just focus on pve for now

[boreal pendant]

like that?

[topaz citrus]

Can change Graf to another BB

iirc South Dakota works with Washington or something

[boreal pendant]

ok

thnx

[floral wave]

bro

can you stop

just tell him to use literally anything if youre suggesting sodak

and cbs

the effect will be exactly same

[keen juniper]

CBs are bad

[topaz citrus]

I did mention to focus on pve first

[floral wave]

this is pvp channel

who cares

[keen juniper]

You can use Belfast

Anything smokes

or Jeanne d’arc

[topaz citrus]

I doubt he has jeanne

[floral wave]

i doubt any of your advices makes sense

[topaz citrus]

why don't you help him then

Instead of being insufferable

[floral wave]

because theres this thing

in pins

[keen juniper]

[floral wave]

that even happens to have budget options listed

[keen juniper]

Yeah

[floral wave]

you listed agir and roon muse before anchorage

[little bobcat]

^^^

[topaz citrus]

He obviously doesn't have PR ships

[floral wave]

agir
obviously no pr ships

O B V I O U S L Y

[little bobcat]

[empty mesa]

It's DR not PR smh.

[keen juniper]

[keen juniper]

Bro you still there, just show docks filter with vanguard option

[floral wave]

you mean its kms so absolute priority?

[empty mesa]

It's KMS so best for pvp.

[little bobcat]

^^^

[keen juniper]

Kirito’s Main Ships

[fickle echo]

[empty mesa]

[floral wave]

i mean im using 2 kms myself

but its not agir

[empty mesa]

Eugen and Bisco?

[floral wave]

close but no

[keen juniper]

I bet Seydlitz and FDG

[floral wave]

howd you know

[fickle echo]

He got walled by it before

[keen juniper]

Not with few reset

[floral wave]

sushibad

[keen juniper]

Belfast, Aya, Noshiro

Shet still lvl 35

Umm

[boreal pendant]

i have exp books

[keen juniper]

Nah you can substitute

Ibuki can work ig, use boiler and torp bulge

[boreal pendant]

thnx

[keen juniper]

Now your backline, show with main ship filter

[keen juniper]

You have Aquila and Hiryuu there make sure you lvlup them, for now you can use old Akagas with Nagato

[boreal pendant]

I will have haku developed in a week or so is she good?

[keen juniper]

If there’s any other objections made by others I believe they’re more capable giving advice than me

[keen juniper]

Not for PvP

[boreal pendant]

Ok

[pseudo copper]

Did I just see CA rec

[keen juniper]

I remember Anchorage being CA

[pseudo copper]

Nah, Roon rec from a KMS simp above

Ancho is Ancho class

Not CA

[valid oxide]

Anchorage is what saves my fleet from being mostly ded weight

[keen juniper]

It’s just suggestion for now at least, just read the pinned post for more viable fleet and try to lvl up them

[valid oxide]

Ancho and sushi win my games

I need a better off-flag than amagi

Which of these ships, if any, would perform better than amagi in my near future fleet?

(assume max level)

[keen juniper]

VV

I believe if you saving for NJ rerun then NJ

[valid oxide]

VV with no fastload?

[fickle echo]

Just use Warspite until you get NJ, VV needs Aquila and Duca to be usable

[keen juniper]

Didn’t know she need other Italians

[little bobcat]

who would get the first 56mm

in meeb

anchorage?

[keen juniper]

Man I just got VV with the others this rerun

[fickle echo]

Either her or Juneau

[little bobcat]

wouldn't juneau want sex bofors more tho

[fickle echo]

Both work, the 57mm is better but you might want to use it on Ancho because she survives more

[little bobcat]

ic

[little bobcat]

oh, would a seattle gun actually be better than the 137 for musashi?

checking guide to see if everything's right and it recommends pr5 / seattle for sashi

[stable dawn]

It's for the extra FP to boost Musashi's barrage damage lol

[little bobcat]

ah

i assumed so

[whole salmon]

Use 137

Twin 137 have more FP stat than Seattle gun

While having longer range

Basically in pvp, if it isn’t the Plymouth gun, use the Harbin gun or USS Twin 137 tech tree gun

For all relevant BBs

Don’t bother using gold CL guns currently

[little bobcat]

would i put pearl on juneau if i'm running harbin or would i continue running the generic pearl/magtorp spot for middle ships

anchorage/harbin/juneau in meeb

[stable dawn]

I'd keep pearl on Harbin in order to stagger healing

never been a fan of pearl on Juneau

[little bobcat]

me neither

was just wondering

what else sextuple > staag for harbin? put beaver on anchorage and run rudder musashi? 356 > 410 kai for musashi?

just trying to make something to aim for

playing this game with no goals gets very boring

[gritty cove]

Endgame content is pvp and this is what we get

[fickle echo]

You're using 2 CL and no DD so you need 2 speed auxiliaries on Juneau or your vanguard is gonna be way too slow

[little bobcat]

so double boiler?

[fickle echo]

Yes

[little bobcat]

alr

what else

[fickle echo]

Aside from switching the stagg for sextuple AA as you said the rest should be fine

[little bobcat]

thank ya

how would 356 or rudder do on sashi?

i assume worse

or maybe slightly less consistent

[fickle echo]

I just think you should change the module on either Juneau or Habin

[little bobcat]

oh is crossbow better?

i thought sword was more defensive

[fickle echo]

The other one makes your vanguard take less damage from planes

[little bobcat]

ah

forgot about that

i was only looking at the stats

[fickle echo]

You just need 1 of them anyway since the effect doesn't stack

Put it on Juneau, she won't be doing damage anyway

[little bobcat]

if i were to oath juneau would she switch to double gyro

[fickle echo]

I did it when I oathed mine, depends on whether you feel like she's dying too late with boiler

Anyway Juneau should be your last oath if you're doing it for stats, it's better to oath a ship that's able to do damage first

[little bobcat]

ye

[valid oxide]

Would Warspites barrage makes herself less likely to target vanguard ships?

[fickle echo]

Yes, but the vanguard shouldn't be a problem because Musashi's barrage can target them anyway

[valid oxide]

I just wanted to know because I specifically want to target the backline

[frigid hamlet]

is bulge+manjuu good for NJ?

[neon bronze]

hsfcr + eva gear of your choice for consistency, manjuu is an option if you want to run it

dunno what you mean w/ bulge on nj

[pseudo copper]

Torp bulge

[pseudo copper]

Manjuu can be used, but I personally dislike it a lot, so as Beth said, eva and hscfr

Usually Beaver

[frigid hamlet]

Best I can spare is a +0 hsfcr

[neon bronze]

where's the coin? the enhance lvls?

[pseudo copper]

What are coins?

[winged depot]

[pseudo copper]

[little bobcat]

[stable dawn]

[neon bronze]

some players do it for a statement

[trail temple]

It isn't usable? He's playing the wrong game my friend

[stable dawn]

skin is very usable. Shame Alabama got powercrept.

[winged depot]

not using a skin

[pseudo copper]

I prefer using you

[neon bronze]

This player certified not-18

sleep

[trail temple]

Nah, just a prude

[neon bronze]

Pussy detected

[candid sluice]

[winged depot]

[little bobcat]

do i use all remaining on the last reset orrrr

just permanently stay at 5

i forgor

i just stay at 5 constantly

[pseudo copper]

Stay at 5 till eos from now

Then on eos you use all 10

[little bobcat]

when even is that

i don't pay attention to dates now

[pseudo copper]

Sunday of week 2

[little bobcat]

ah

[pseudo copper]

When it is under 6h left for season

[neon bronze]

Curious, what's the reset time for you @little bobcat

[little bobcat]

6h

oh

uhhh

6pm for final reset

[neon bronze]

no i mean daily reset

[little bobcat]

12am

[neon bronze]

12 am - 12 pm - 6 pm?

[little bobcat]

ye

[stable dawn]

west coast?

[little bobcat]

ye

living in the state of washers

[stable dawn]

[neon bronze]

[little bobcat]

[stable dawn]

unironically the most comfy reset time

[pseudo copper]

Mine is comfy too

[little bobcat]

i base my sleep schedule around my gachas so

wake up after arknights daily reset

sleep after last exercise reset

[pseudo copper]

6 pm, 6 am, 12 pm

[little bobcat]

speaking of which

[pseudo copper]

[candid olive]

Is Ägir not good in pvp? I never see her used.

[winged depot]

Nope

[stable dawn]

she dies instantly to torpedoes and preload airstrikes

[pseudo copper]

All CA and CB not called Anchorage are not useful

[candid olive]

Aw man... I did notice she takes a dive too early but chalked it up to her low lvl.

[neon bronze]

Anchorage built different. Use Anchorage with Manjuu.

[pseudo copper]

Level is a massive difference in pvp more so than pve, but still useless

[little bobcat]

who was the tank before prr

pr4

[candid olive]

Can I still use her there to gain XP and lvl her?

[pseudo copper]

Depends on comp

[stable dawn]

before PR4 everyone ran mafia with Juneau Duca Seattle iirc

[pseudo copper]

XP from pvp is negligible

[neon bronze]

For Mafia, Seattle is an option. That is the only one I know

[little bobcat]

wtf

[winged depot]

Boomers

[little bobcat]

ok so no tank

[stable dawn]

yeah anchorage singlehandedly ruined pvp imo

[candid olive]

I see a lot of Juneau retro being used. Even on fully ringed out maxed 17,000 fleets.

[pseudo copper]

With oilcap it takes no time to level to 120/125

[little bobcat]

fleet power means nothing

[pseudo copper]

Fleetpower just gives you an idea of equipped gear

Not how good a fleet is

[little bobcat]

it gives a vague idea as to how much ur gear they wasted their time on i guess

[stable dawn]

+13 z flag

[little bobcat]

on god

[winged depot]

With catch up and all you can raise anchorage fairly fast these days, so nothing to complain about it

[neon bronze]

+13 wyverns before converging torps 👍

[little bobcat]

this game is getting easier and easier to start out

its scary

[stable dawn]

I just want exercises to take 15s

[pseudo copper]

Just stop being poor and +13 everything

[winged depot]

Same

[pseudo copper]

Still cucked by chips

[neon bronze]

Nah i am slow player, d1 pretty hard for me

[stable dawn]

imagine doing 5 in 1

[trail temple]

We even included Anchorage for budget fleets, because at this stage, she's not hard to obtain

[candid olive]

Rly? I use that and compare with my own to gouge if I'm going to win. Sorry, I'm a newbie.

[pseudo copper]

So end of the day just makes it more braindead but same speed for active players

[pseudo copper]

Yeah, later on you'll see fleetpower has no impact other than telling you gear situation somewhat

[winged depot]

As a newbie getting baited by fleet power is a normal thing. Some guy will just run 1:1 of level 125s and you get destroyed

Lol

[neon bronze]

Real

[pseudo copper]

Level advantage in pvp is massive

Bigger than pve

[winged depot]

[stable dawn]

also URs. Remember, you can't get aotn without shima

[winged depot]

[neon bronze]

[winged depot]

Am a cheater don't pay me no attention

[candid olive]

Must explain why my lvl 125 Ryza and her fleet was doing so well.

[stable dawn]

smh cheating in a dead gamemode

[pseudo copper]

Early on you'll suffer in pvp, but you can catch up to a degree you can beat anyone long as you reset enough

[stable dawn]

just don't lose

[winged depot]

What I did in my early days was just lose to get exp and merit

[pseudo copper]

If you share ships here can help build comp

[winged depot]

Reason why I have 96% winrate

[stable dawn]

casual

The real endgame is having 69% wr

[winged depot]

Bongo my idol

[pseudo copper]

;pace 0 0

[winged depot]

[candid olive]

I'm trying to get the current event Italian ladies for pvp!

[pseudo copper]

Smh no based bot here

[pseudo copper]

Mafia is outdated, you may have smth better in your dock already

[neon bronze]

Got Aquila? :pausechamp:

And do you have Musashi?

[pseudo copper]

Why sharing dock pics can help a lot

[candid olive]

No, I did just pull Vittorio.

[stable dawn]

NJ rerun soon

[winged depot]

[neon bronze]

Aquila p much the only viable ship still in meta atm

[candid olive]

No, I only started playing during the Atelier event. I do have all the URs released after tho.

[stable dawn]

bro have you looked at the sheet
aquila is T1 now due to all the MSN/HYMEN fleets

preload is dead

[candid olive]

Is Enty good in pvp at least?

[stable dawn]

enty was good

in 2018

[candid olive]

Nnnooouuuuuuuuu

[neon bronze]

No. All you get is slugfests because opponent Lucky E procs 100% of the time while yours procs 0%.

[stable dawn]

you get opponents who use enty????

[candid olive]

Yea, I've seen some.

[neon bronze]

Why I dickride Aquila.

[candid olive]

So what's the current pvp meta?

[stable dawn]

there's a sheet in the pins

the one by SaltyArrow

[neon bronze]

Has the ships and gear listed

[stable dawn]

yeah it's pretty comprehensive

[pseudo copper]

[candid olive]

Ok, I'll check it out, thx!

[little bobcat]

i still get a few enty fleets even in higher ranks

ppl forget to update their defense or they're still that dumb

[candid olive]

Sorry, I'm not at my PC rn.

[little bobcat]

[pseudo copper]

Judging people on their defence fleets

[stable dawn]

It does say a lot about the person

[little bobcat]

defense usually mimics the offense since people are lazy

[merry vale]

[little bobcat]

some will do waifu or random shit

I barely see avtual defense

[pseudo copper]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/758215756990906398/1011645438694268938/Screenshot_20220822-221348_Azur_Lane.jpg

[stable dawn]

[pseudo copper]

Ig this guy is an absolute shitter

[stable dawn]

smh cheshire not even 125

[pseudo copper]

Old ss

[stable dawn]

[pseudo copper]

P sure all those ships 125 atm

[little bobcat]

advertisement

[little bobcat]

cheshire more like use for w13 and never again

[stable dawn]

hey 13-4 is free coins

[little bobcat]

and free sr

[pseudo copper]

People don't farm w13 for xp?

[stable dawn]

nah I farm 11-1

cheaper

[little bobcat]

i just do 12-1 because it's easy to autopilot to

i haven't even played w13 yet

[winged depot]

Imagine

[little bobcat]

Aurora W

[stable dawn]

unoathed anchorage

[pseudo copper]

W13 ez to auto

[winged depot]

[candid olive]

Wow, Noshiro and Duca are up there in the Vanguard pvp rankings?!?

[stable dawn]

those are alternative comps

[candid olive]

I have both...

[little bobcat]

duca would be preferred if you run vv and aquila

and or

and

or

idk

[stable dawn]

really it falls off sharply after Harbin

[little bobcat]

and i think

[stable dawn]

since she has 2 torp launches

but Noshiro and Duca don't

[winged depot]

Duca also has slow torps so some random slash clears them all

[stable dawn]

I remember the good old days of duca minefields

[candid olive]

Harbin only needs 160 Dragon Emp tech points to unlock?

[stable dawn]

permanent content

play at your own pace

[candid olive]

That's rly low for PR5 I think.

[pseudo copper]

Bc CN has few ships in perma

Chance for pulling them low

All light too except maybe Chen Hai?

[candid olive]

Oh damn, she's CN not Sakura empire like I thought.

[stable dawn]

if you logged in during new years event you should have some CN ships

free tech points

[candid olive]

Lemme see...

[hidden robin]

that's sorted by Elite and CN ships?

[pseudo copper]

There are only elites for CN ships

[pseudo copper]

Mlb will take you there

[stable dawn]

ez game

[candid olive]

[candid olive]

Oh, just by CN ships.

[stable dawn]

also Chang Chun and An Shan become DDGs when retrofitted

you can get seal of four gods + rocket torpedo in the core shop

[pseudo copper]

[hidden robin]

retrofit Chang Chun, An Shan then get Harbin

[stable dawn]

and boom, free dps

absolutely nuts in pve

[candid olive]

Also in my guild shop. I have over 20K currency so I could get them.

Should I get the Hais?

[hidden robin]

if you want a tank with Yat Sen, yes

you just need 1 Hai

[candid olive]

I'm getting both! They're too adorable!

I hope their voice lines aren't too annoying. Never played with CN ships.

[pseudo copper]

Ships have voicelines?

[candid olive]

Right before they proc a skill they usually say something.

[pseudo copper]

[steel coral]

this game has audio?

[pseudo copper]

Never heard any

[candid sluice]

Is that why this game takes up so much storage

[pseudo copper]

Maybe

[lusty hill]

turn down volume for less storage

[stable dawn]

delete the game for less storage

[neon bronze]

real

[pseudo copper]

Just download more storage and ram

[hidden robin]

just buy a new laptop

[pseudo copper]

Downloading storage and ram is free, buying is not

Here in #pvp we are 100% ethical

So f2p only

[neon bronze]

100% ethical.

I haven't oathed my pvp fleet ships.

[copper dome]

Average BA player

[azure swan]

niji

[winged depot]

amagi players are just

[zinc dove]

ye gotta download em in your settings

[lusty hill]

they should add a way to report this kind of stuff and give the player a free win attempts

[winged depot]

[stable dawn]

that fleet is so easy it already is a free win

[candid sluice]

report it for what

[neon bronze]

Being based?

I don't see what's wrong with that fleet.

[pseudo copper]

⛵

[candid olive]

what does the "kai" mean in the pinned PVP EN Guide?

[neon bronze]

Retrofit version

[candid olive]

regarding to this

[candid olive]

ahhh, Ok. Thanks!

[hidden robin]

it's technically correct

if you can't press pause in time, it's personal skill issue

[pseudo copper]

I know

[neon bronze]

every pvper worth their salt knows it

[hidden robin]

it's even more skill issue when you press pause then you press outside of the pause window and the match continues

and your last ship sinks

[candid olive]

Damn I really need Juneau! She looks so familiar I could swear I've gotten her in the past...

[neon bronze]

5-2 drops her

p easy

[pseudo copper]

She drops in event too

[candid olive]

the current event?

[neon bronze]

uh yeah. cba to check which stage has her though

[candid olive]

Oh, she's a blue. I probably retired her!

[neon bronze]

:juneaujesus:

[hidden robin]

that's the right thing to do

[candid olive]

Oh no! LOL! I checked the Memento and sure enough, I have her unlocked.

[pseudo copper]

A1-B3

[hidden robin]

Juneau has been tortured in pvp too many times

time to set her free

[candid olive]

wdym? She's in all of the top pvp tiers still.

Anyways, I pulled an Aquila tonight and these are my Italian ladies Can I do something with it?

[hidden robin]

just asking to be sure, you read her skills right?

[hidden robin]

Aquila is still one of the best pvp candidates

[candid olive]

Ohh.... "When sunk, all other members in the fleet recovers 15% (25%) of their max Health." this? No, just now.

[hidden robin]

same with VV and Abruzzi

[candid olive]

Wow, she's a sacrificial lamb, LMAO!

[hidden robin]

but they're now optional

[neon bronze]

Got Musashi and New Jersey?

[neon bronze]

Mafia is long gone from the meta rn

[candid olive]

Nah, too new for that unfortunately. I started playing during the Atelier event but I do have their full fleet and every UR since then.

[hidden robin]

i didn't say they're meta now

they're still good pvp choices

[candid olive]

WTH?!? I've seen recent videos advising to pull on the current banner if you want to do well in pvp.

[hidden robin]

good old ship girls for pvp including: VV, abruzzi, amagi, nagato, shinano, noshiro, ayanami, jintsuu, hiryuu

[pseudo copper]

They are not

Quite dated

[hidden robin]

i'm listing some ship girls that still more or less cause an impact in pvp

for those who don't have the current meta pvp ships like NJ or Musashi

[pseudo copper]

Not really worth mentioning since pin has anything relevant at this point

[pseudo copper]

You don't have to since none of the ships running atm are needed

[candid olive]

well, that sucks! I've spent some cubes on getting Aquila.

by that, I mean 2 ten-pulls.

[hidden robin]

go with whatever you have 1st

[pseudo copper]

She's good, but not really a requirement, early on your choices quite limited, but NJ rerunning soon™️

[candid olive]

Yep, in full savings-mode now.

[hidden robin]

save at least 350 cubes

[pseudo copper]

Most important thing for you rn is gear

[candid olive]

[pseudo copper]

So do your opsi

[candid olive]

yea, I need to do better with OpSi.

[hidden robin]

@candid olive are you farming for Anchorage now?

[candid olive]

I gotta find a video that describes how to play it cuz it's a bit confusing for a new player with all the shops.

[hidden robin]

hmmm

not sure when you can farm for Priority ships though

[candid olive]

with Anchorage I'm currently 615/850 locked.

[hidden robin]

ah

gotta level up more USS girls then

[candid olive]

I've just farmed Aegir. Came to find out nobody uses her in pvp.

[hidden robin]

yes cuz' she has heavy armor

which will eat a shit ton of torp dmg 😂

[candid olive]

But I shouldn't be sad. She's still good in PvE, right? And she's the reason I started playing this game.

[hidden robin]

anyway apart from pvp, Agir is good for all pve content

[keen juniper]

Yeah

[hidden robin]

so no need to feel so sad

[keen juniper]

Best CB for PvE ig

[hidden robin]

all CBs (Except the collab one) are good for pve

[candid olive]

and what dev lvl do I need Anchorage for pvp?

[keen juniper]

You can catch up

Recommended D30

[candid olive]

I'm currently using my catch up for Aegir still.

My Aegir is dev lvl 23.

[keen juniper]

It’s different catch up poll, you still can change between PR/DR

[hidden robin]

yeah don't wanna rush you so hard but even at maxed D30 and with the auxiliary which gives her 8s immortality, it might be hard for Anchorage not to sink early

that is if RNG is against you

[candid olive]

this is for Anchorage?

[hidden robin]

yeah

[candid olive]

I see...

[hidden robin]

i sunk a lot of Anchorage, i know 😂

at least she survived pretty well and was usually the last one to stand

[candid olive]

Also, I'm confused about something. In pvp you have the fleet you sortie with and then there's a different defensive fleet you can make that I'm guessing is for others to go up against.

which fleet is the Guide for?

[keen juniper]

Your fleet you use

[candid olive]

I see.

does the defensive fleet matter for rating?

[keen juniper]

Nope, but you can use it for walling those baggers as they goes overcapped and -their scores

[hidden robin]

yessss

[candid olive]

Ohh... I get it. I also see some real low-score and weak 1-1 fleets ppl make.

[hidden robin]

be an asshole like me and make the hardest defense fleet possible

or you can be an angel and put only Bulins in

[candid olive]

I have my full Altelier Ryza fleet set as the defensive one rn. It's my highest lvl fleet. Does it suck in pvp?

[hidden robin]

no idea, i have never seen anyone seriously built the fleet

[keen juniper]

You can flex as one of these

[candid olive]

Hahaha... that's funny!

is that yours?

[hidden robin]

i saw someone named themselves Donald Trump and made a defense fleet all of which are named "WALL"

[candid olive]

[keen juniper]

Nope, i put MSN for at least suffer some crap people using crap fleet

[hidden robin]

at least this guy's WALLs are not crappy at all, a little bit tough in fact.

[keen juniper]

Wall is wall if they’re zombie

[candid olive]

Thanks for all of the suggestions! Going to sleep!

[hidden robin]

oh btw, Helena can be good in pvp too, if you time her right with your backliners

as in about 20s cooldown in salvoes and airstrike

[winged depot]

I don't think so

[candid olive]

I do have her lvled and retrofitted

[keen juniper]

Nope

[hidden robin]

i'm suggesting some girls since he does not have the meta girls yet

[candid olive]

Helena is a lot of times the last one standing when I get killed.

[hidden robin]

pick whatever he has, then he can ask later whether the girls in the upcoming banner are good in pvp

[winged depot]

he can get ayanami

[keen juniper]

If you putting Manjuu on her then yes

[candid olive]

Manjuu?

[keen juniper]

Elite dmg control/manager

[winged depot]

pvp for newbs is a long shot

[winged depot]

I suggest just ignore this game mode in the mean time

[candid olive]

Wow...

[keen juniper]

I suggest do the PvP as your capable for now, for merit, getting those bulin DoY, Littorio whatever

[winged depot]

when I was new I was doing pvp for merit and exp

you still get exp and merit

if you lose

[candid olive]

Yea, I think I'll do that.

I just got all excited after getting the Italian girls this event after seeing on YT that they're good for pvp and came here.

[winged depot]

if you think you have the ships to actually do this you can comeback here

just focus on maxing them first

[candid olive]

Will do.

[candid olive]

specifically VV and Aquila?

[keen juniper]

Againts meme fleet and low fleet they can sink it fast, but not as current meta

[winged depot]

yeah why not, they're good on clearing normal stages too

[hidden robin]

VV, Aquila and Abruzzi are good for all content, not just pvp, no harm for maxing them

even if in the future you no longer need VV and Abruzzi in pvp, you can still use them in pve.

[candid olive]

As for comparison I'm up to world 11-1. I stop doing the main campaign tho when events are out.

and lvl 93.

[keen juniper]

it’s okay 11-1 good farming exp

your commander lvl doesn’t matter as long you have capable fleet for PvP / PvE

[pseudo copper]

Most important aspect is your gear

If your gear is shit, no matter how good your fleet is, it'll be shit

[trail temple]

Here I thought you weren't being an asshole, you learn something new everyday

[hidden robin]

well, for people who just wanna earn pts and expect to sandbag me, i am

[trail temple]

[neon bronze]

[candid sluice]

u aint doing much to baggers with a defense fleet

[neon bronze]

baggers alr have good fleets and can beat other fleets relatively easily

[candid sluice]

its an inconvenience at most

[merry vale]

You can punch down pretty hard though.

People with bad fleets or bad gear will suffer more for sure.

[neon bronze]

What's this fleet? Don't remember that.

[pastel jolt]

Irony

[neon bronze]

?

[trail temple]

It's in the spreadsheet

[neon bronze]

ooh, looks like the tierlist now has descriptions

[hollow walrus]

Why is the Murica fleet with Sandy called the "John Cena" special

[stable dawn]

because your carriers stay undetected

and John Cena is INVISIBLE

https://tenor.com/view/abell46s-reface-john-cena-gif-18864860

[hollow walrus]

Oh

[valid oxide]

I feel incredibly stupid but what is EoS?

[empty mesa]

End of season.

[valid oxide]

Thank you

[hollow walrus]

If I don't have Aquila raised, I can use Uni as a poverty preload carrier right?

[keen juniper]

Yes

[valid oxide]

Can uni preload even full reveal carriers?

[keen juniper]

Yes with Wyvern Avi gas

[valid oxide]

Rip, I cant use a preload then

No wyvern

[keen juniper]

You can use Flapjack too

With avi gas

[valid oxide]

I need 1 more mat from opsi for flapjack

[keen juniper]

Well you can get it

[valid oxide]

Do I just run the highest hp planes I have for uni then

Flapjack + vit-2 fine? Or would I want to use gold cuda instead

[keen juniper]

Vit-2 too slow

use cuda / breguet

[valid oxide]

Who gets beaver, who gets wnt, should I switch who is flag, and what aux does the last ship get?

[merry vale]

Musashi flag with wnt, warspite with beaver, and if you have the feather, give that to unicorn.

[little bobcat]

why does the guide compare meeb to jade druid LOL

i mean it isnt wrong but why that specific comparison

that's so specific

[stable dawn]

because blizzard still owes me money

[little bobcat]

that is genuinely like

the most specific comparison i've ever seen

[valid oxide]

Does uni get Eva gear or catapult, I don't have feather. Unless this works?

[candid sluice]

meeb is like jade druid in the way u just lose if u dont beat it in the first 20secs of the match

[stable dawn]

control decks smh

[neon bronze]

[hidden robin]

i'm curious about the 356mm gun for Musashi

i know this is not the place to ask but how do you guys see Musashi perform in pve while using this gun? Much better than the PR1 410mm?

if better then i may consider let her use the gun permanently

[valid oxide]

356 is purely for PvP for faster barrage, twin 410 only used when in a fleet with nj iirc, triple 410 never used for PvP at all

[keen juniper]

Depends on the content I lazy to swap, I’ll just use 356 for my OpSi mob fleet still perform well

[hidden robin]

ic

[candid sluice]

finally after about a year of (on and off) work... the Azur Lane PvP EN Guide has finished construction and officially complete thanks to everyone for helping out, we will keep it updated as new ships are introduced and the meta shifts
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BewmBsf4EWKAf_UwYax05c7ksL51y6sjs96pIwD73Jc/edit?usp=sharing

[neon bronze]

new pin?

[candid sluice]

@jolly lichen could u unpin the old one and replace it with that one

[neon bronze]

@candid sluice hmm, this part (the fleetbuilder link) shows the old fleets present in one of the obsolete sheets

[candid sluice]

we changed formats and no longer use the fleetbuilder ill just get rid of it

[neon bronze]

i see.

[hidden robin]

does "Health" also include auxiliary?

or just shipgirl's based health?

[stable dawn]

health is pretty based

[pseudo copper]

Yeah health is based

[dense eagle]

Royal Navy Power

[stable dawn]

smh cheshire not even 125

[dense eagle]

She's on her way aight

[stable dawn]

@pseudo copper

[neon bronze]

[dense eagle]

I'm tempted on using my ring for London, ngl that new dress looks nice

Also the increase in stats

[neon bronze]

let your heart decide

[dense eagle]

It was either her or Unicorn tbh xD

[trail temple]

That almost looks like my copium hms team I used for aotn back in 2020

[hidden robin]

Copium? Hell Monarch and Warspite were once in pvp meta team.

Not sure when, perhaps in 2021.

[whole salmon]

But that was long ago

Back when PR2 was still not a thing

[trail temple]

2021? No way. Carrier meta broke triple BB

[whole salmon]

It quickly switched to FDG Amagi Warkai

[trail temple]

[whole salmon]

With the other Meta comp being Nagato Amagi Hiryuu

[hidden robin]

Was so long ago i don’t remember 😂

[whole salmon]

Likewise, Azuma replaced Saint Louis and Neptune in the Tank - Yukikaze - Juneau comp

Agir would be pvp meta if it was still those early days

[hidden robin]

Poor Yukikaze

[neon bronze]

poor juneau

the jesus of pvp

[hidden robin]

Right

[neon bronze]

😔

[whole salmon]

We had CV meta at one point

It was after Shinano and Wyverns came out

[hidden robin]

Juneau suffers from psychological pain and we proceed doing that more, physically

[whole salmon]

And before Aquila

Those cancerous days

Basically boils down to who has more Wyverns and who has more gold plates

[trail temple]

I did fine against double wyverns with my cudas thank you very much

Oh wait, that was on Washington server, nevermind

[whole salmon]

[hidden robin]

Given enough survival time, Implacable + any Torpedo-oriented CV can be destructive

[trail temple]

Can say that for quite a lot of things, it's kind of superfluous

[whole salmon]

Until enemy Ancho proc shield smoke and tank the entire airstrike

[hidden robin]

It depends on which torpedo Anchorage has

[whole salmon]

If the time stop actually works, people would have used AvP long ago

[trail temple]

Are you sure you want to go down this rabbit hole?

[whole salmon]

But that meta was never a thing

Even Agir was more meta than AvP

[dense eagle]

I don't have any of the new meta ships for pvp sadly

[trail temple]

Missed out on Aquila? OOF

[dense eagle]

Pretty much

[whole salmon]

You have to wait until May then

[dense eagle]

I started playing not too long ago

[whole salmon]

Pray for next UR being meta

[trail temple]

I wonder how well one can survive using a modified Namagiryuu comp

[dense eagle]

And I barely have any cubes too 😄

Imma have to save every cube I get

[hidden robin]

💳

[trail temple]

People whale for cubes in this game?

Damn

Maybe if you were fleet power grinding

[whole salmon]

If you play enough

[hidden robin]

if newbie, maybe

[whole salmon]

Eventually you will build up a big enough bank

[hidden robin]

in order to catch up in time

[whole salmon]

But that might take a bit

But eventually, you won’t miss out on gacha ships

[trail temple]

I just hoard on my alts, a small collection of 400 cubes on my lexington and amagi alts

[dense eagle]

I never needed to whale or use that many cubes...until they introduced UR ships

[whole salmon]

The last time I went down to 0 cubes was during Shinano event

And that was because I wanted to roll 2 versions

Now I’m back up to 1200

And I don’t even grind that hard

It’s just natural progression

The game is generous enough

[dense eagle]

Just gotta be cube smart, that's what I like bout this game too, it even has a pity system

[hidden robin]

AL is quite generous for making Bulins

or else all F2Players (or little Sardines like me) are gonna cry while rolling for extra 4 version of each.

[dense eagle]

Lmao I'm also F2P, well I've spent some money on skins and battle pass and that monthly pass sometimes but it's really not needed

[hidden robin]

you may wanna expand your dorm to 2 floor x 6 slots too (and perhaps 4 class slots for skill training)

nearly impossible to farm for free, you still need to buy gems

[dense eagle]

I already maxed out the dorm and everything