Then they dropped an Ancho and that comp is dead
#pvp
whole salmon
keen juniper
valid oxide
Banned uni without banning aquarium 
empty mesa
just ban all female ships
Bataan vs Bataan meta.
valid oxide
Should I change my backline? Current frontline is ancho nosh Juneau, nosh soon to be replaced by ayaya.
stable dawn
little bobcat
oh wait is twin 356 better?
floral wave
Should I change my backline? Current frontline is ancho nosh Juneau, nosh soon t...
btw replace amagis aux gun with the same as musashis or just use a CL gun
tash gun serves no purpose here
valid oxide
What would be better between Seattle gun and Chapy gun for amagi aux the ?
floral wave
seattle
gaunt girder
Why do copers want a banlist on this game mode so much?
Prob because of this
deft escarp
little bobcat
what's with the anchorage/plymouth/juneau vanguard i keep seeing
wtf is so specila about plymouth
merry vale
She boosts up BB damage.
valid oxide
Boosts Flag BB damage
little bobcat
i guess
valid oxide
Ply also has decent personal damage and is somewhat survivable
neon bronze
oh, i also forgot the meta fleet before Mafia, Richelieu - Vittorio Veneto - Aquila
trail temple
That wasn't really meta either
There was more Hiryuu variants than Richelieu variants
trail temple
Best not to make a statement like that when you knew little yourself
blissful saddle
Should I change my backline? Current frontline is ancho nosh Juneau, nosh soon t...
how do you make this image? would also like to post my fleet here to see if i could improve it
blissful saddle
hows the fleet look?
merry vale
Not the worst but there's tons of little min max things.
neon bronze
and here i thought it was an ok fleet lol
it is. but the gears are all over the place
fickle echo
The Wyvern+Tenrai on Shinano is way too slow
And the other module is better for her because it gives evasion too
blissful saddle
ah gotcha, good thing i posted it on here to get some advice
neon bronze
@blissful saddle
- Hiryuu can equip either the Gold Catapult for dmg, WNT for a bit more consistency, or Frontier Medal since this is a 2 CV comp
- Both Anchorage and Juneau can equip the UR AA gun or the Sextuple Bofors. Completely interchangable
merry vale
Shima could also use the UR AA gun.
neon bronze
- The gold quad mag torp is fine for Juneau
fickle echo
Catapult Hiryuu 
merry vale
Not the worst tbh.
fickle echo
Without WNT or at least Frontier Medal it's gonna struggle against any strong fleets with Musashi+NJ
And blue torps might not be needed if you use speed gear, the vanguard can dodge most of the damage from BBs using speed alone
blissful saddle
heres what i have now
dont have the ur aa gun unfortunately or that secondary on musashi
merry vale
You want flag hiryu for wnt to do anything.
blissful saddle
hiryuu is my flag
merry vale
Ah okay
fickle echo
Blue torps is good against 3BB but it leaves the vanguard vulnerable to airstrikes if you're fighting CVs
merry vale
Then yeah looks fine.
neon bronze
dont have the ur aa gun unfortunately or that secondary on musashi
Beth approved. It's fine
3. That Aux gun on Musashi is craftable in the Eagle Union DD Gun section in Gear Lab
blissful saddle
oh? ok ill check it out then thanks!
neon bronze
blissful saddle
btw if sandbagging and your opponent doesnt seem to move until reset, do you refresh your list and hope to get someone who eventually moves?
merry vale
You can If you know they aren't moving. You still ideally want to dump your exercises in the last 5ish minutes.
neon bronze
since it is early season, 15 mins b4 reset is fine for dumping exers
blissful saddle
sorry but what does dumping the exercises in the last 5 minutes do compared to waiting for your opponent to move and then only dumping exercises on them then?
neon bronze
otherwise, you move 5-10 mins b4 reset
merry vale
You want to take as many rushers as you get.
But you won't get 10/10 rushers in any attempts.
Dumping later means more people were forced to move.
So it widens the gap for more points.
fickle echo
Is it your first season bagging? Once you get used to it you can recognize some movers
blissful saddle
yeah this is my first season trying to seriously get aotn and bagging
fickle echo
You didn't get AotN before?
blissful saddle
correct me if im wrong but if you see your opponent already use up all his excercises way before reset isnt it better to get bonus points from him then wait and see what the next opponent does?
merry vale
Yes.
neon bronze
correct me if im wrong but if you see your opponent already use up all his excer...
eat them, then wait
merry vale
Try to stay at or above 5/10.
blissful saddle
You didn't get AotN before?
highest ive hit before was vice admiral i think before i read up on how the points system works
blissful saddle
Try to stay at or above 5/10.
yeah thats what im doing atm
merry vale
fickle echo
You just take any bonus you get as long don't risk rolling only players below you who won't do more exercises
neon bronze
@blissful saddle i recommend you familiarize yourself with the rushers and baggers of Lexington server in this season
ask Ari Naotonemai for details 🙂
blissful saddle
You just take any bonus you get as long don't risk rolling only players below yo...
gotcha for some reason i couldnt put this into words. this is kinda what ive been doing so far this season
blissful saddle
<@322505235845349379> i recommend you familiarize yourself with the rushers and ...
haha i sorta do see some familiar names popping up on my list of opponents but itll take awhile for me to memorize them
fickle echo
AotN isn't that hard as long you don't miss exercises
merry vale
^
neon bronze
[2]
merry vale
As long as you win every fight and don't miss exercises you will get aotn if you rush after the 2200 mark.
You dump the 5 extra and take your easy aotn.
blissful saddle
the missing exercises i think is the hardest part for me to do but this season ive set alarms to make sure i atleast know when resets happen lol
yeah thats the plan, i hope to just get the aotn highest rank on my profile screen this season, maybe next season challenge for EoS stuff
merry vale
Aotn is so easy most people are numb to it.
You'll get it if you put in the effort for sure.
blissful saddle
whole salmon
the missing exercises i think is the hardest part for me to do but this season i...
Yeah alarms is a good way to make sure
Also just set many of them as to not like sleep straight through them
Do this a couple of times and you will get into the habit
Then you can tone down on the alarms
azure swan
juneau is off tank right?
also yes equip pearls tears but no equip dmg control right?
merry vale
Juneau is off tank. Pearl is a bit better on shima, or your middle Vanguard ship, Anchorage wants the damage control.
azure swan
okay
for ancho does speed thingy work better than washing machine?
or drop the 20% spd and use dmg ctrl with washing machine
neon bronze
Beaver does have some EVA, so it can be used on a BB
And free up a frontline ship slot
For other gears
little bobcat
finding the first fleet i genuinely cant win against 
fun experience
i just struggeld against a fucking moron using manjuu nj
literally how
actual shima carry
trail temple
i just struggeld against a fucking moron using manjuu nj
Who's using Manjuu NJ? Gimped NJ
little bobcat
some guy named oppaitakao
his fleet was so bad but shima + anchorage kept carrying him
trail temple
What server is he on?
stable dawn
bruh how did you lose to manjuu NJ lmaooooo
little bobcat
i didnt lose
stable dawn
it's literally a meme setup
little bobcat
i just kept having to reset because of how dogshit the vanguard is
stable dawn
little bobcat
the one time i even got to see the fact it was manjuu nj was when i won 
because otherwise he either got lucky shima torps or failed to target flag
little bobcat
i did
stable dawn
the fact you had to retry against shima torps makes me sus
what's your fleet comp and gear look like?
trail temple
i did
That was aimed at the other guy more. You would have likely had a harder time if he manjuu'd his Ancho
little bobcat
what's your fleet comp and gear look like?
working on 3rdd wyvern and pancake for hiryuu rn
stable dawn
not running teatorps?
little bobcat
wouldn't it make my starts really painful though
having no magtorp
i have +13 teatorps so
stable dawn
the point is to blow up an enemy backliner early
stable dawn
little bobcat
was planning to oath musashi too
pseudo copper
I still don't get the shima problem
You see, Letan says you can't hit aotn without Shima, as such you Veston who did eos aotn are just a hacker
winged depot
pseudo copper
empty mesa
Bro even censored his coins. 💀
stable dawn
so we won't know their level duh
lusty hill
What's wrong with knowing someone's level?
stable dawn
maybe they don't like to be asked how many pvp attempts they have left
empty mesa
He has 6. 
stable dawn
lel
lusty hill
6/10 only 3 hours after reset 
empty mesa
Must be a pro gamer.
velvet tapir
Must be a pro gamer.
More like hacker
empty mesa
Perhaps. 
velvet tapir
somehow when a cheater is detected but not in event, they probably got their account suspended
winged depot
pastel jolt
maybe they don't like to be asked how many pvp attempts they have left
Hi, do you have any pvp attempts left? lel
pastel jolt
Isn’t that @trail temple
stable dawn
idk, seems like Abdillah is calling u out
pastel jolt
winged depot
empty mesa
Idk, bro. 4 movers in 3 hours sounds a bit sus to me.
You sure there were no any hacks involved?
pastel jolt
winged depot
neon bronze
Shit wifi connection. Anything cooking?
Maybe everyone is just hetter
candid sluice
i think we need to be stricter about the cheaters in the pvp community
trail temple
Isn’t that <@239681761909407744>
Nah NoobAsian retired
keen juniper
lusty hill
someone should add cheating guide on the pin
winged depot
empty mesa
neon bronze
Ooh, an Amagi player.
Show dock first and foremost, then I recommend
your dock
it's fine, lemme see
floral wave
musashi, shinano, hiryuu / anchorage, yukikaze, juneau
or
musashi, fdg, vang / anchorage, yukikaze/ayanami, juneau/harbin
neon bronze
musashi - fdg (fs3+) or vanguard - shinano -- anchorage - yukikaze/ayanami - juneau
these are your three fleet options
floral wave
can use seydlitz instead of vang in triple bb aswell
neon bronze
Imagine evading cripping BB salvos/CV airstrikes depending on your gear.
that's what Anchorage does
yuudachi's too squishy to be an alternative especially when musashi exists atm
valid oxide
Should I keep amagi for her semi-preload/enemy debuff/backline Eva rate or is someone else in my dock potentially better?
winged depot
You could try warspite or you could just wait for the pasta rerun, also sg radar instead of rudder.
frigid hamlet
sg radar to increase amagi's nonexistent damage 
winged depot
might as well make her hit and avoid while we're at it 
pastel jolt
why not flag Musashi?
sour dagger
@radiant monolith nice wife squad
neon bronze
bbob
Explained.
winged depot
<@339428550052675585> nice wife squad
velvet tapir
Does hakuryuu worth for pvp
pseudo copper
According to you, yes
whole salmon
Does hakuryuu worth for pvp
No ofc not
But you put her on the so called “ban list” a while back for some weird af reason when she isn’t even relevant
merry vale
neon bronze
Hakuryuu too squishy in PvP
she's a menace in pve. however, it's easy to pinch and clap her cheeks in pvp
keen juniper
Every ships worth for PvP, just there’s a strategy and composition, which is better ships and better strategy
lusty hill
It's literally been like 6 hour since I woke up and why is nobody moved
I hope there's a hack that can make people moved
warm crow
if you dont recognize the names on your list (as rushers), just refresh
however... 6 hrs? last reset was 4 hrs ago. you overcap or smth?
keen juniper
I hope there's a hack that can make people moved
It’s called dm
“hey you still have any pvp attempts left? lel “
candid sluice
Send a friend request ingame asking for em to move
lusty hill
however... 6 hrs? last reset was 4 hrs ago. you overcap or smth?
Ever since I woke up I only get 2 bonus, one for each reset
Someone should add the pvp schedule list on the pin 
steel coral
I hope there's a hack that can make people moved
neon bronze
she looks like she's about to teach a young padawan
little bobcat
fuck i lost 5 battles
stable dawn
little bobcat
just ruined my rank for the rest of the season
time to not play until the next then
gg
trail temple
You can come back from up to 11 losses/overcaps, maybe more depending on when it happens
Although personally, only been as far back as 7
radiant monolith
<@339428550052675585> nice wife squad
velvet tapir
The PvP may gonna be a pain if there was a point reduction system when you lose
pseudo copper
If you lose it's a skill issue
trail temple
If you lose it's a skill issue
Especially when the quality of fleets in most servers are pretty poor
merry vale
flat veldt
If you lose it's a skill issue
lusty hill
I read it as dilf lol
merry vale
thorn obsidian
stable dawn
pseudo copper
⛵
little bobcat
who is madyxz
woeful raft
who is madyxz
what?
little bobcat
was wondering
woeful raft
was wondering
what did you want?
little bobcat
was wondering
woeful raft
lel
woeful raft
was wondering
what was interesting?
woeful raft
hey
winged depot
lusty hill
ayanami best with staag or rainbow AA?
winged depot
staag
golden lantern
hello im here to ask what can replace some of these - the feather on aquila, one of the black torpedoes because i have only one, the rainbow orb, the high heel and the duck
neon bronze
hello im here to ask what can replace some of these - the feather on aquila, one...
WNT (from Memento) on Aquila for consistency
Shimakaze can equip the Quint Mag Torp, replacing the black torp aux with an HP giving aux like the Goldburn
You can farm one heel at the Passionate Polaris War Archive, with 60 attempts of SP5
The duck, we call that Manjuu. It's attainable at Memento
golden lantern
yes
until i manage to get the memeto stuff
thats what i wanted xdd
because its a pain in the ass
also whats WNT
neon bronze
Washington Naval Treaty
golden lantern
what does it do
neon bronze
-15% dmg on both sides, decreases damage taken and dealt
makes fights longer but you'll reset less
golden lantern
i see
ah also
i dont have harbin
its juneau instead of her
so should the black torp stay
neon bronze
yeah, black torp can stay on shima
because juneau will run either the quint mag torp or quad mag torp
golden lantern
hello im here to ask what can replace some of these - the feather on aquila, one...
how can i make such listing so i can show u what i got
i think u can have a better idea of what i need then
neon bronze
how can i make such listing so i can show u what i got
https://x94fujo6rpg.github.io/AzurLaneFleet/ a fleet builder site we use
golden lantern
okay thx
one moment
right
so this is what ive got
dont flame too much im hella clueless in this game
neon bronze
- Swap the rainbow AFCR that New Jersey has with Musashi's HSFCR.
- Ditch the White Shells. Damage is good, however surviving the punishment with EVA-giving gears is the difference for your backline ships to beat the other fleet in close fights. Use the Rudder on New Jersey; get Musashi the Beaver Badge that your Anchorage runs atm.
- For Aquila, get a Flapjack. It's relatively cheap to craft compared to the Tigercat and Sea Hornet. It'll do for now, but craft and enhance one asap.
- The Gold Catapult is fine for her, though I'd prefer WNT on her. Just be alert and prepare to reset sometimes, damage spikes can fuck up this fleet to a loss.
- Anchorage, get her a Manjuu Damage Control. You got the Beaver Badge, it isn't that hard to get the Manjuu. Plus, STAAG not rec'd bcs you don't really deal damage with Ancho, use the Sextuple Bofors or the UR AA gun to deal with opponent planes.
- Ditch the Rainbow Torp on Shimakaze, Pearl's Tears is best in slot for a DD like her. Subpar option would be smth like a Boiler. Get Pearl's Tears asap, too
- The only improvement regarding Juneau would be her gun, smth like the KMS DD gun in the Gear Lab will do for her. The rest is fine.
late, was playing mc
neon bronze
welc.
cinder wolf
neon bronze
mystic salmon
Beaver sushi and rudder nj bruh
mystic salmon
Prolly but I'll try since I'm gonna join soon enough
merry vale
The tl;dr is evasion is the only real weak spot on BB's And when an item can double your evasion it's way better than the 200-300 damage anything else could give you.
mystic salmon
Makes sense, thx for explaining
merry vale
Rudder is 44 evasion, musashi has 40 base evasion.
With the sword she gets 104 evasion.
mystic salmon
I realized I never had +13 mag torps, Eva gear
merry vale
Evasion and speed are king and queen stats in pvp.
mystic salmon
Gotta get to work on that
Unless +10 is fine
merry vale
You need speed and evasion more than just about anything.
If you have the team comp, you can beat just about anyone with +10 gear.
You don't NEED +13, but it does help.
mystic salmon
So aquilla/sushi/vv/anchorage/ayaya/duca is fine? Insert a Juneau for duca? Replace vv for uvh? Use shinano and hiruyuu?
What can I improve?(no shima)
merry vale
If you have all of them.
Flag Hiryu with Sushi and Shinano with Anchorage Aya and Juneau is one of the meta fleets atm.
mystic salmon
Harbin better than ayaya?
merry vale
If you have her completed, yeah use her instead of aya works well enough.
mystic salmon
Soon ™
merry vale
Then yeah, a d30 harbin will be a good replacement when you get there.
In pvp you kinda want teatorp instead of mag torps for her though.
mystic salmon
I have a BUNCH of those at +13
merry vale
Those are great, so feel free to use them.
mystic salmon
They won't miss? I can manual pvp?
merry vale
Pvp is all auto, but you're aiming to do insane damage to either the backline, or their frontline.
You can reset every fight if rng goes too poorly.
With 0 consequences.
With a good enough fleet you don't really reset anymore.
mystic salmon
I remember timing out against a yukikaze
merry vale
This should be pretty good for pvp when you finish her off.
If you don't have any sexy bofors, or UR AA guns, staags for 10 hit and fast reload are an option.
You could also use a pearl tear instead of a boiler too.
mystic salmon
Isn't that gonna be on Juneau?
merry vale
Juneau wants 2x boilers or 1 boiler 1 anti torp bulge.
You want to stagger the healing.
Juneau dies way too quickly some times, you may waste the pearl tear healing because of it.
mystic salmon
That's a lot of speed
merry vale
It gets worse.
mystic salmon
Gotta get my hands on an anti torp bulge now or what?
mystic salmon
How to get cosmic kicks
merry vale
Polaris war archive, if you have 60 keys you only need to wait a day or two.
Just get to the final part and spam that map.
It's super easy.
Anchorage loves cosmic kicks.
mystic salmon
Needs +13 for more speed? Or stops at +10
mystic salmon
Also isn't anchorage rudder manjuu? We bench rudder?
mystic salmon
Got it,thx
merry vale
The goal is to be fast enough to out run NJ's barrage.
If that shit hits your frontline, you're screwed.
Extra speed just makes it frustrating for enemies.
mystic salmon
Duca torps land more often then?
merry vale
My team is fast enough to ram the enemy team in the first 2 seconds and make their frontline trade shima torps with me.
If they lack shima, i just dumped both preloads into their frontline for free.
mystic salmon
Ayaya is good no?
mystic salmon
And carriers don't have some insane setups too?
merry vale
Carriers are simple.
mystic salmon
F7f best fighter, tenrai best dB,wyvern best torp, double cata??
merry vale
Every carrier wants avi fuel.
Hiryuu specifically wants Washing navel treaty and flag positon.
mystic salmon
Navel treaty??????
pseudo copper
Tigercat isn't best fighter
mystic salmon
How to get?
merry vale
mystic salmon
And what's the elite aux?
mystic salmon
Tigercat isn't best fighter
Pancake then?
merry vale
Plane hp = more crash damage.
Crash damage = good.
Pancake is the best pvp fighter.
My shinano and hiryu are pretty much geared to the best of the meta atm.
mystic salmon
Now I have to spam those too and +13 them, I have a lot to do for sure
merry vale
Wyverns are the best torp planes in pvp.
mystic salmon
And that shinano bomber?
merry vale
Gear lab.
The tldr is 2x wyvern 1x tenrai is too slow for pvp.
So you use suisei 12A for speed.
mystic salmon
Suisui normal tho?
mystic salmon
Thx, 100/150 thing is in core right? And naval treaty??
merry vale
Yes from cores, and navel treaty is from one of the collection rewards.
mystic salmon
Thx a lot
merry vale
mystic salmon
Now I have to care about those too, gotta be ready in 4 month window for pvp
mystic salmon
I do for top 10 no?
mystic salmon
I can't even hit top 1000
merry vale
Don't lose fights, and rush at the right time and you'll get it.
mystic salmon
Rush?
merry vale
Tl;dr in pvp sandbagging gives you bonus points. So you hold 5 exercises and only do them when you hit 10/10.
Late season you finally push down to 0/10
And you snipe a top spot.
'bagging' means you're above 5 exercises trying to earn extra points by waiting longer.
Rushing means you push to 0/10.
You want to bag for most of the season.
And then rush once you break 2200 points.
That basically guarentees AOTN if you don't miss or lose any matches.
mystic salmon
So stay at 5/10?
merry vale
Ideally yes.
mystic salmon
Thx for explaining that
merry vale
The bigger the points gap between you and your target, the more points you get.
This for example.
The leftmost target is always the lowest rank that gives the most points.
I want to take that 105, and wait for someone else to rush so i can get more points off them.
You need to close out and refresh the entire game to update the ladder.
So bagging is a lot of opening the game, looking at the ladder and closing the game.
You still want to hit 5/10 before the timer counts down.
You push your remaining exercises in the last 10ish minutes.
mystic salmon
Im fine with that lol,so I get 5 tries every 12h?
merry vale
Not quite, there's two different timers.
mystic salmon
You mean the last 10m in season timer?
mystic salmon
So every 6h I get 5 tries?
mystic salmon
Thx
merry vale
You mean the last 10m in season timer?
5-10 minutes before the reset timer you want to have yourself at 5/10 otherwise you overcap and basically lose 10-20-30-40-50 points.
Because if you're 8/10 and it resets, you're now 10/10 and 3 exercises get vaporized.
mystic salmon
Do I ignore my defense team?
merry vale
Defense team is best to have with two level 1s.
I use a full combat fleet to troll the lower ladder.
So it's up to you.
mystic salmon
So doesn't matter?
mystic salmon
Why won't they beat me anyway?
merry vale
Depends.
Early season when everyone is at the bottom of the ladder, lots of really bad fleets don't move because they can lose.
So it's more optimal to have a super weak defense fleet.
That being said, no defense fleet matters against people with a good team with good gear.
It's more so for those who have bad fleets.
mystic salmon
So bulin/akashi meta?
merry vale
Or waifu with 0 gear.
mystic salmon
Thx for everything
nocturne zephyr
I'm going to replace Kron for Anchorage. Besides that, and also besides levels, is this all fine
merry vale
Triple CV will make BB's focus fire your frontline, without juneau you're kinda toast.
York2 is fragile too.
So is implaceable.
nocturne zephyr
Okay so use Jenaeu. Thanks.
robust oyster
Has anyone seen this NOICE NUMBER
Its soo nice that its truly make ma day vory butiful in ma hshtory
neon bronze
👍
frigid hamlet
Has anyone seen this NOICE NUMBER
or what are the chances this person sees 6969
whole salmon
so enemy power doesn't use my fleet tech after all?
Fleet tech doesn’t apply in pvp but it is applied to the user interface
And it doesn’t seem like it is fixed
frigid hamlet
Has anyone seen this NOICE NUMBER
but how does this work
if the defender specifically set their fleet to have 6969 power, what are the chances some attacker has just enough fleet tech to see that 6969
neon bronze
Definitely a lucky guy
candid sluice
coincidence
trail temple
maybe it got fixed
No, no changes have been made. Fleet tech itself holds no value in pvp aside from making numbers look bigger. A good example is to mess with your cv/bb reload fleet tech and see how it doesn't affect when your bb fires or your cvs launch
whole salmon
Has anyone seen this NOICE NUMBER
As for this in particular
The reason fleet tech isn’t applied is probably due to those ships not being level 70 and mlb
Therefore, the fleet tech isn’t added to the user interface
As for how you can get those fleet power in particlar, ig you can adjust the gear and enhancements on those ships
pseudo copper
Yeah, fleet tech doesn't apply if not mlb 
So will appear the same for everyone
But if mlb then each person will see different ship power
lusty hill
I beat Famine again 
lusty hill
Nah that fleet should be a T0 it's literally crazy strong
I can beat almost any fleet with my meeb but that fleet is the only one that I actually struggling
like that one took me 10 minutes
pseudo copper
If you lose it's a skill issue
merry vale
candid sluice
10 minutes???
lusty hill
candid sluice
I spend less than 10m a day ingame 💀
trail temple
Serenity seriously has an obsession with Famine, it's unhealthy
winged depot
living in his head rent free
elfin warren
timber flax
It will never stop haunting me for the rest of my life
stable dawn
sus
neon bronze
wicked surge
I beat Famine again <:UniFlex:490512775576027136>
lol you have a attacking advantage, if you can’t kill then it’s skill issue
lusty hill
lol you have a attacking advantage, if you can’t kill then it’s skill issue
Said the guy that loses multiple times for literally no reason and decided to quit
wicked surge
Said the guy that loses multiple times for literally no reason and decided to qu...
I lost against meta teams cause I was in gph
lusty hill
Skill issue
sour oasis
Get some friends and collude
Ubironically I want PvP to change so your attacking fleet can't be at level cap (and give more XP). Defending fleet still has no restrictions so trolls can continue to troll, but gatekeeping will be impossible because no one has multiple copies of T0 ships (and if they did it would be two at max level).
Next-level collusion would have to happen for gatekeeping (while not impossible, would mean players would have to talk to other players more), resetting the defensive fleet for an hour and then raising the gates up again.
Thematically it would make sense to send ships not at max level to "exercise".
south leaf
It will never stop haunting me for the rest of my life
🤣 lmfao
zinc phoenix
Who gets plym gun; eh musashi or Juneau
pseudo copper
Juneau never equips CL guns, she can equip DD guns
dusty oxide
What is the go to meta fleet atm?
pseudo copper
uncut agate
@ashen compass
merry vale
fickle echo
ashen compass
<@509807830669197330>
well i checked that one right after your first message, but as i said, i can't find your composition in there. Either it's not fully loading or i am doing something horribly wrong xD
uncut agate
copy the gear, IB fleet doesn't exist in the tierlist
pseudo copper
Bc KMS is copium
ashen compass
copy the gear, IB fleet doesn't exist in the tierlist
where did you get the comp with Z28 from then?
trail temple
We deleted the kms fleets from the tierlist, they're not meta enough or even good enough to put in
neon bronze
pseudo copper
candid sluice
steel coral
lusty hill
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/697475157739962509/902144573256663110/n...
ew no torpedo gear skin
candid sluice
at least i have shima that can use torps
trail temple
at least i have shima that can use torps
And soon you won't be Aquila-less
candid sluice
hey dont jinx me like that bro
neon bronze
:aquila_stare:
winged depot
late heath
hey dont jinx me like that bro
if you married Kashino, you'll have better luck
frosty goblet
pastel jolt
Even <@459981599589662721> will get Aquila before Brah
Sad, but likely true
gritty cove
Thoughts?
winged depot
Nope
stable dawn
empty mesa
Looking good.
winged depot
Blue 357, washington naval treaty over badge on musashi. Feather over washing machine shinano. And Twin 457 or the gold ver. of it on gear lab, badge nj.
stable dawn
tbf their musashi is off flag, so beaver is still valid
gritty cove
So it doesn't hit the smoke
gritty cove
356 kai?
winged depot
ijn blue bb gun yeah
gritty cove
Does it have enough time really, I don't have it personally
The barrage isn't instant either
winged depot
It spams at least 3 barrages in the span of one barrage if its that gun
merry vale
More barrages = better though.
merry vale
It spams at least 3 barrages in the span of one barrage if its that gun
This.
The blue gun is stupid good.
90% of her damage is off the barrage anyways.
Not building for faster barrages is kinda trolling yourself.
gritty cove
So it's about 1.5s before anchor mist kicks in
I mean, I wish I could test this on a proper fleet
winged depot
Most likely ancho ded at 2nd barrage 
but then again its anchorage its still a mystery
merry vale
I mean, there's little reason to need to speed run the enemy anchorage anyways.
She's usually the last thing left alive.
If she has manju.
And it's her vs the rest of your team.
gritty cove
Trying to make her eat the least amount of barrages, but yes that's kinda the annoying part about her
Trying to invent something different, but the end result is pretty much the same
merry vale
Many people spend countless hours trying to reinvent the wheel.
fickle echo
yeah like that time Pink rediscovered triple BB
When?
gritty cove
Triple bb 
fickle echo
Pink uses MSN
gritty cove
Triple CV 
fickle echo
Triple lose to Aquila
gritty cove
Just uhh throw me back 3 years
gritty cove
Oh also about that 356 kai, wouldn't the twin 305 do better
gritty cove
The mikasa stock
winged depot
just use the one with faster reload, idk what is what 
gritty cove
Been trying to get that from medal shop, but hasn't popped
and kinda don't want to use requisition shop
stable dawn
too bad mikasa gun is a meme
gritty cove
Love me some memes
fickle echo
too bad mikasa gun is a meme
I got into top 3 using this meme for 2 seasons
stable dawn
I got into top 3 using this meme for 2 seasons <:Blessex:753375684126310451>
tbf you also used battle tractor uvh. I think anything is possible
winged depot
gritty cove
gritty cove
Anything is possible on sandy tho
winged depot
is this gaslighting 
fickle echo
actually what would a pvp vg even look like without harbin and anchorage?
||3 dead ships||
winged depot
first to hit/miss torps wins
gritty cove
Someone with a smoke and pray
stable dawn
would we just revert to torpmemes?
stable dawn
we already have qe retro at home
merry vale
Let's be real even with a retrofit QE will still suck.
winged depot
no ancho and harbin. lets bring back yukikaze and the ijn smoke dd
stable dawn
qe retro at home:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqM1b-RaMAE5Ush.jpg
winged depot
my brain is cooked rn
gritty cove
No 
fickle echo
META ship good in pvp
winged depot
stable dawn
gritty cove
valid oxide
QETA being a better semi-preload than amagi is all I ask (though likely VV would be better)
pseudo copper
Guys is QE meta good?
valid oxide
Is she even out yet 
pseudo copper
Beth the best pvper in Amagae 
neon bronze
am clueless, don't know what you're talking about
merry vale
violet kernel
I hope QEME is absolutely busted.
Something like “delete all preload attacks launched by the enemy” and “disable enemy zombie states”.
Something that actually upsets the meta.
Ain’t gonna happen. She’ll have a shitty barrage, a 5% fp up to Meta vanguard ships, and a 3% higher chance to deal critical hits to Sirens.
violet kernel
I hope QEME is absolutely busted.
God, that reaction emote is so perfect, lol
steel coral
pseudo copper
winged depot
candid sluice
i hope qemeta instantly sinks the enemy shimakaz
violet kernel
lusty hill
i hope qemeta instantly sinks the enemy shimakaz
I agree
candid sluice
im sure u would
lusty hill
Loli Killer
when the battle starts, fire a salvo that always hit enemy destroyers. The salvo has a guarantee critical hit. Deal 300% more damage when the target is Shimakaze
trail temple
The amount of hopium in this channel over QETA is too damn high
lusty hill
I Am The Best Loli
when this ship sunk enemy destroyers, decrease all this ship salvo reload by 50%, and increase the damage of all PvP meta ship by 20%
neon bronze
cool. show eos
stable dawn
> Loli Killer
> when the battle starts, fire a salvo that always hit enemy dest...
smh doesn't even reduce shima eva rate. Garbage tier
neon bronze
:pausechamp:
lusty hill
Queen's Revenge
when this ship takes damage that would otherwise sinks her. Select a random enemy and sink her
candid sluice
when battle starts, shut down the game and lose an exercise ticket
trail temple
You Shall Not Pass
If the enemy fleet's commander is called "famine" or "Famine", you automatically lose 5 matches.
stable dawn
Final Requiem
When the battle starts, deletes the game and makes you rethink your life decisions.
lusty hill
Why there's two people with 0 eos still on the list
pseudo copper
Why there's two people with 0 eos still on the list
They went easy on us, otherwise they'd be 26 each
Beth has -3
neon bronze
Real
pseudo copper
Why Kaya is hidden
Season count taking his position
Gotta hover above it to see name
This is the more interesting chart
empty mesa
@outer badger overcap? 
prisma pagoda
merry vale
thin cosmos
long time no see, guys.
although there wasn't change in meta for 6months, I'm just recently trying set my team. It's because I lost my testmate so basically not a single strong enough players left in my server.
Anyway as I see, the tier list is made finally here and it looks pretty good.
Now I want to talk about detailed settings for musashi gear.
the easy one is aux gear.
since she has 30% damage reduction, I wonder she need beaver. only shima torp would be issue for killing her too fast and due to crazy hit of DD, beaver tag would not be much help in that case.
this topic directly related with VG speed.
And I'm pretty sure removing 1boiler would be totally ok, since it's over 48 anyway.
last topic is main gun
As all we know, 356 vs 410
10% higher dps for 410 but jamming and 10% faster reload makes me it's hard to choice
305 has 5% lower dps and only 4% faster than 356, so I think it can't compete with them.
all dps include barrage and counting armor correction and physical hit rate
candid sluice
hey welcome back man
candid sluice
for the beaver musashi q it allows her to soak up more bb volleys so shes got time to fire another barrage and general survivability
for the musashi gun q its down to personal preference really but if youre using her with multiple other bbs u should stagger their fire rates as to not have em overlap due to the hard cd of bb firing
thin cosmos
I think MSN only tier0 in defense
so I'm using it
the major problem of 410 is, sometimes NJ fire first
don't know it is a bug or just normal
if you think about beaver, you must know that beaver musashi and radar musashi are almost same in 1vs1 case
and there are 6ships in total and 3ships in back line
so optimal setting must be trying to equalize 3back line ships eHP
musashi would left at last in most case even with radar
this is related with why you should put NJ at top although it has the highest defense against aircraft(specially related with wyvens)
zenith lantern
I think the main reason for Beaver on backline is it adds survivability to your vanguard without taking up one of their aux slots. Vanguard aux slots are very tight already, there's not much room on them so it's helpful.
Backline aux are more open. CVs run Aviation Fuel, BBs run HPFCR or Table but they then have a free slot each for you to choose.
If you're running Shinano, Hiryuu or both then you're running WNT on your flagship so that's one slot taken up. If you're running Musashi in those comps good chance she's your flag so she's going to have WNT. Beaver then goes on one of your off-flag ships.
If you're not running WNT then you have 1 slot per ship where Beaver could go, doesn't really matter which takes it, they're probably all running a survivability aux and it gives them evasion so it fits that.
thin cosmos
yes it's realatied with VG and I said it.
shima would be fixed with pearl, torp.
Anch would shoe+something
juneau would boiler+something
so 2slot left now
I think we can put this 2 slots with beaver+torp bulge
zenith lantern
Do you want Juneau being more survivable though?
thin cosmos
to prevent 2second die
if not, you would have more slot so better for taking VG beaver
zenith lantern
I just run offense on my Juneau, she'll die to Musashi usually which is fine
thin cosmos
and bulge not much effect at that
since musashi barrage has extream damage
just related with opening torp
you can change it with boiler if you want
zenith lantern
But still you want Evasion on your backline, Beaver gives more than anything except Washing Machine amking it one better ways to increase survivability while helping your vanguard at the same time. Why not?
zenith lantern
I think surviving is more important than increasing damage, backline damage is so extreme already you really don't need more.
thin cosmos
and my point is musashi is already surviving well
pseudo copper
Musashi can be deleted easily
thin cosmos
very hard to count the case she die first among 3 back
zenith lantern
She's tanky but she can still survive even more, it's not about dying first, the ship that dies first doesn't matter, the ship that dies last is what you want.
pseudo copper
1 more salvo is more damage than any damage aux can bring
thin cosmos
1 more salvo is more damage than any damage aux can bring
almost always you can't
since 1 salvo can kill full hp ship
pseudo copper
thin cosmos
your more hp can't save you from attack
zenith lantern
It's more Evasion not more HP
zenith lantern
Mafia worked because it would kill vanguards fast and then the vanguard would help kill the backline.
thin cosmos
it's basically same theory as it
zenith lantern
The current fleets work because they can kill backline fast
It's the exact opposite strategy
thin cosmos
let me finish with VG speed
winged depot
pretty sure this meta has longer fights than the last no
zenith lantern
Because WNT is common
And Juneau
You can run a Mafia style fleet by dropping Juneau and running Harbin instead., the fights are pretty fast then.
winged depot
who would you put it though
thin cosmos
so you think 51.8 is not enough speed?
winged depot
I tried beaver in the front before, i'm not a fan. but if a backline gets it though they actually become tougher
thin cosmos
you mean back line evasion?
winged depot
idk just try it for once you'll see what I mean
thin cosmos
I just wondering speed
ofcourse backline would survive longer if you put more evasion there
so if that's too slow for dodging BB shot, it's matter but if not, you just can put 40evasion gear at back
winged depot
I mean, even super fast fleets still gets hit by musashi's absurd lightnings
thin cosmos
and?
it means VG would have enough aux slot
so if anyone not argue with VG speed, let's return to musashi hit vs evasion stats
since the total stats effects are almost same,
the attack and defense stats ratio would be something like this
110 attack+100 defense vs 100 attack+110 defense
or you can say 110 attack+50 defense vs 100 attack+60 defense
so do you agree with this concept?
pseudo copper
I use your mom to win my pvp
stable dawn
thin cosmos
so if you agree with this concept,
trail temple
I use white shell on Musashi and NJ
thin cosmos
with 110 attack musashi would bring more often
the situation like 20% hp NJ, 20% hp musashi left
while 100 attack musashi would bring more often
the situation like 10% hp NJ, 30% hp musashi left
if you played LoL, you might able to understand why this matters
thin cosmos
I already did so
stable dawn
smh who plays LoL in 2023,
thin cosmos
but it can't tell me that opponents were too weak or I was strong enough
stable dawn
@untold crater smh my head
pseudo copper
trail temple
Smh talking about other games in this channel
thin cosmos
so still no one agree with importance of evenly dividing ehp?
stable dawn
in my experience it's better to go for full sinks than even HP division
zenith lantern
The ships don't have equal offensive value so there's no reason to aim for even survivability
stable dawn
since then they deal less damage
thin cosmos
The ships don't have equal offensive value so there's no reason to aim for even...
so you think in dps(except opening) musashi better, so should kept well?
pseudo copper
You know what's the easiest way for your questions to be answered? Go test
What the answers here are based on testing, you can play around, few comps will be proper testing material though anyways 
trail temple
KR meta =/= EN meta
merry vale
Beaver Musashi feels real good, there was a noticeable difference.
untold crater
<@236203936355188738>
dog
merry vale
neon bronze
beaver musashi bad?
stable dawn
yeah use white shell or washing machine
pseudo copper
Guys, what does white shell do?
stable dawn
unless you're running meeb
pseudo copper
Quyet never answered
stable dawn
maybe he doesn't know
neon bronze
where does the beaver go in 2 BB Shinano/Hiryuu then
stable dawn
NJ
stable dawn
neon bronze
musashi white shell? what
stable dawn
yeah they want enemy to take more damage
trail temple
Musashi white shell is OP
neon bronze
what's KR meta
pseudo copper
Dr Beth doesn't know what KR is?
stable dawn
the meta version of King Richard
trail temple
Only the most superior region
stable dawn
prequel to QE
trail temple
Checks out chief
neon bronze
pain au chocolat.
pseudo copper
Is he also known as Famine?
stable dawn
nah Famine is retired
thin cosmos
pseudo copper
Retired people can be troublesome as we saw with the 10m long resets
neon bronze
No Howe in KR server. Literally unplayable
why wouldn't they let a ship so cutw into there
empty mesa
Shina flag?
neon bronze
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYCAMhr7Ehc
You're a KR player?
thin cosmos
yes
just see how well musashi can survive
the highest dps is shinano for sure but almost imposible to save her for 45 seconds
so we just can ignore her and can focus on 2 BBs
very likely winning chance if you can make 2BB vs 1 BB
trail temple
I still run weeb fleet...
thin cosmos
musashi has higher dps than NJ, so it's true that she is more important
stable dawn
why not run hiryuu for consistency
thin cosmos
but can't cover 2vs1
stable dawn
drop shinano
neon bronze
the highest dps is shinano for sure but almost imposible to save her for 45 seco...
What's your opinion on Musashi - Hiryuu - Shinano?
neon bronze
I don't have NJ
stable dawn
neon bronze
neon bronze
Not as much as I did before
stable dawn
what's your gear enhancements at
zealous wasp
wtf is MSN or Hymen o.O
neon bronze
wtf is MSN or Hymen o.O
Musashi Shinano NJ and Musashi Hiryuu NJ
pastel jolt
WOW!
neon bronze
Hi AloX
pseudo copper
stable dawn
wtf is MSN or Hymen o.O
@trail temple 
steel coral
you lose to aquila???
that's because people use rudder on her to even out the backrow's ehp 
pastel jolt
<@239681761909407744> <:god:1079615800358486026>
:god:
thin cosmos
drop shinano
I agree with hiryuu is also good choice but I just like this
stable dawn
such a good emote
stable dawn
that's because people use rudder on her to even out the backrow's ehp <a:think:4...
rudder aquila????
stable dawn
thin cosmos
I know it's very hard to persuade which ships better
so I just want to focus on gear
in video, you also can see sometimes 410 makes jamming at firing sequence
neon bronze
I know it's very hard to persuade which ships better
As long as you win. Only thing that ultimately matters
356 Musashi.
trail temple
wtf is MSN or Hymen o.O
M(usashi)S(hinano)N(ew Jersey)
H(ir)y(uu)M(usashi)eN(ew Jersey)
thin cosmos
I actually find meeb to be my best fleet
you can say so if you just care when you attack
but for me when nagato age, I think I know well about that 2cv comp
trail temple
I can also say so in defence too
stable dawn
but for me when nagato age, I think I know well about that 2cv comp
what is nagato's age anyway?
zealous wasp
ok i see it now. interesting naming
stable dawn
trail temple
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
trail temple
ok i see it now. interesting naming
thin cosmos
nagato shinano hiryuu was tier0 at some time
neon bronze
what's your gear enhancements at
356 Musashi, +10 and +13 enhance Wyverns on Shinano, +11 Wyvern Hiryuu
Forgot if I ran WNT Meeb back then, currently using Frontier Meeb
stable dawn
how about vanguard setup?
trail temple
Agir, z23 and Leipzig
candid sluice
Kms is anything goes at this point
thin cosmos
356 Musashi, +10 and +13 enhance Wyverns on Shinano, +11 Wyvern Hiryuu
Forgot i...
why do you use 356 when you have 1BB
it's about 20% weaker and 10% faster
trail temple
We ask the same question. I use 410 kai all the time
thin cosmos
the only reason I consider 356 is jamming since 2 BB
trail temple
Don't have that issue tbh
thin cosmos
for me about 75% case, musashi fire first, 25% NJ first
steel coral
twin torp ancho
thin cosmos
with totally same rear
trail temple
If your timings are like that, smells of skill issue
stable dawn
yeah I don't have that problem either
inb4 your game is broken
do you play on phone or emu?
thin cosmos
very likely related with app player
trail temple
inb4 your game is broken
Wouldn't be surprised, I know a lot of Korean players on the KR server that crack their clients
trail temple
EN learnt from KR in the ways of botting and running multiple alts for pvp
thin cosmos
that's pretty strange talk since we have about 10% player number per servers
so totally not need such things in pvp
trail temple
tut tut, been living under a rock
stable dawn
botting is a pretty serious problem nowadays
I heard there's a guy that has like 8 alts on every server
all of which do pvp
I forgot his name. I think it was like twinwrath or something? Been a long time
But bots only get banned for 3 days after being discovered
the state of pvp man
thin cosmos
you mean in KR?
trail temple
From what I heard he is on every server of every region
thin cosmos
and is he korean?
trail temple
No idea, we don't like doxxing people
stable dawn
didn't they come from the russian server?
thin cosmos
my gear was this for that video
trail temple
and you're still using the same gears?
thin cosmos
yes just concerning about 356
steel coral
NJ pompeo gun