pvp

[merry vale]

[stable dawn]

is this why you never eos?

[merry vale]

Part of it yup.

[cunning jay]

can battles end in a draw?

[merry vale]

I have heard legends about that. Iirc if you time out it's a draw?

[uncut agate]

no, if you time out you lose

you get 0 points to be exact cuz the only condition for getting points in PvP is to defeat the opponent

[merry vale]

[trail temple]

Yeah I am currently doing the same. It works a charm in the lower ranks

[merry vale]

[candid sluice]

low rank gameplay letsgoo

[deft escarp]

Isn't Enterprise good enough

[violet kernel]

For Harbin, which one is better?

[winged depot]

I use the rainbow one

[valid oxide]

Salty >:(

[neon bronze]

Based

[candid sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/birches-gif-25258512

better than the cringe 0.5% comments

[neon bronze]

birch log... very familiar

[valid oxide]

I agree with this

[winged depot]

Birch (gen 3) is better than oak (gen 1)

[pastel jolt]

[pseudo copper]

Oak gave me some family trouble so have to agree

[pastel jolt]

Thanks for the bonus!

[dim portal]

[neon bronze]

in the mood to feed

[fleet laurel]

is this good for attack fleet? or its also depends on enemy defense fleet?

[candid sluice]

thats a pretty good yea

fleet power seems a bit low tho

[dim portal]

Good for attack but all depends on enemy defense

Unless you have Shimakaze, that could be good enough VG

[fleet laurel]

who to swap with shima?

[dim portal]

No one

But if you really don't have her, just leave your vg like that probably

[fleet laurel]

i have

[dim portal]

You have Shinano/Vanguard?

Then you should be replacing Harbin with Shima

Could run something like

Ancho-Shima-Juneau
Ancho-Shima-Harb

[fleet laurel]

hms vanguard? i have both of them

[dim portal]

125?

[fleet laurel]

yes

[dim portal]

You can try that current fleet of yours, MSN, or Triple BB(current preference)

[fleet laurel]

what is MSN?

[dim portal]

This

Musashi-Shinano-NJ

[hollow orchid]

Which skill is for PvP for Oak royal

[thorn obsidian]

oak royal?

[dim portal]

[whole salmon]

It has been a while now but I have yet to see anyone come up with new fleet comps for the new HMS ships

Ig we have to wait a while further but it doesn’t seem that promising

The most prominent idea is running Royal Oak with Plymouth but that’s still hasn’t been tested yet

[floral wave]

no vang?

vang, implacable, oak; but wheres the damage

[whole salmon]

Backliners are harder to replace

Musashi and NJ are staples already

[candid sluice]

no one cares enough to make a hms fleet

[junior trench]

So, it’s been a few days for everyone to get used to the ships. What’s Implacable’s usage looking like?

[ashen raft]

who can replace that shinano?

pls elighten me

other than PR

[dim portal]

Can try Seyd but she probably best on flag ig, not as good as UR BB

[unkempt fjord]

helloo, can I get some advice on a vanguard please? I only know that I should use ancho... (and harbin when I max her)

[tacit fox]

Ancho harbin noshiro should be quite solid

[unkempt fjord]

thanks c: and for the couple months until I have a usable harbin, do I maybe use ayaya instead?

[tacit fox]

Sure, aya is a good pearl tear carrier

[unkempt fjord]

👌

[pastel jolt]

Ancho/Yukikaze/Juneau

Harbin unusuable before dev 30, ayanami too inconsistent and whiffs 90% of games without the right gears

Juneau and yuki both aren’t gear dependent

[crude jetty]

Is chise still good in pvp?

[glossy burrow]

Why do I see so many people using Aquila?

[merry vale]

Aquila Is the best preload carrier in pvp.

She lets your BBs target the backline from the get go.

[merry vale]

She's budget Aquila.

[boreal parcel]

For some reason, this attacking fleet performs better with JDA than Agir

vanguard (not the HMS one) always seems to survive longer than opponent's

[floral wave]

thats not a surprise

also youre running triple bb so you should always win vanguard fight

you know whats even better than jda? juneau

[stable dawn]

[boreal parcel]

Using Juneau just feels like cheating to me tbh

[stable dawn]

everyone cheats in pvp

especially that NoobAsian guy

[boreal parcel]

Using her in a defense fleet is fine but I want a tiny bit of a challenge so no Juneau for me

[stable dawn]

then go for top 10 eos

[boreal parcel]

Don't care. Got to admiral of the navy for 2500 merit so I can get a gold bulin a little faster but don't want to plan anything around exercise renewal times

[stable dawn]

[boreal parcel]

Favorite part of pvp for me is when people put up faction monofleets. In those cases I attack them with my own monofleet

[hollow walrus]

A question: From the short time we've gotten the new ships, how would Royal Oak and Implacable fair in PvP?

[crude jetty]

thx for info. I missed aquilla

[shell cove]

What method do people use to get more than 10 points per exercise, particularly late in the season?

[neon bronze]

There must be a score difference

For ranks Captain and above, you must have at least a +35 score difference to get extra points

An +11 for opponents that are at least +35 in score; a +12 for opponents that are +71 in score, +13 for +108, so on and so forth.

Here's an example

You must wait for others to move, prime time for ppl to gain scores late in the season is during the AotN rush and the EoS climb, which will happen in the next and final reset of the season

[valid oxide]

We will be unable to tell until the ships are 100aff fully levelled, and fully levelled skills

[solar summit]

Is there any comp that is better than Aquilla, NJ, Vittorio, Juneau, Anchorage, and Ducca at the moment?

[stable dawn]

Check the pins. SaltyArrow has a great doc on modern pvp comps

[solar summit]

thanks

[azure swan]

if society was perfect

[dim portal]

@deft escarp R1 sandy? 👀

[deft escarp]

No

I'm only at like

2545

[dim portal]

If it was, then I'll be damned

[deft escarp]

I already overcapped 4 attempts and lost one when I was looking away

[dim portal]

Well, your fleet is on par with my MSN

[deft escarp]

It's not even fully upgraded

I took a break from the game and slowly coming back

[dim portal]

MSN beats UR BB the same way how UR BB does the same against MSN

[deft escarp]

Should be able to have all of Shinano's planes at +13 by the end of next month

[dim portal]

that time I'll be sleeping in pvp for long time

Dunno how Haloist took me like 2 reset to land a good RNG using MSN but UR BB only 1 fight

[trail temple]

Struggling against Haloist?

[merry vale]

[deft escarp]

I don't think Haloist even has very invested gear

[candid sluice]

Halo still plays?

[wicked surge]

What’s the most consistent pvp meta fleet?

I’m running nano nj Musashi anchorage shima June but Avrora pvp is a pain and I’m somehow losing

[lusty hill]

with fleet like that you should never lose

[deft escarp]

[lusty hill]

especially since shima is incredibly broken

[deft escarp]

Shima isn't everything y'know

If you're using the same gear as in the docs it shouldn't be too hard

You can replace Shimakaze but you can't just do the same for Musashi for example

There's like

[warm crow]

complete +13 gears?

[deft escarp]

Harbin and Yukikaze for example

Literally just use Harbin if you're missing Shima

[trail temple]

Incested gears? When did this become an ecchi anime channel?

[wicked surge]

I could if needed

[deft escarp]

The C was right next to the V

[wicked surge]

May you guys check my new. equips just incase ?

[warm crow]

sure, just post it here

[wicked surge]

Only having fleet admiral was annoying me, so gonna push for aotn

[trail temple]

Where's the Nano?

[lusty hill]

swap pearl to shima, and have black torp on shima

[wicked surge]

Swapped to Aquila cause nano is busy next month

[warm crow]

switch to 356 sushi so it wont interfere with nj. if aquila, tenrai 2nd slot so theres preload instead of heal

[lusty hill]

british torp on shima

[trail temple]

Famine's fleet always beats my fleet whenever I use the blue gun

on Musashi

[wicked surge]

So magnetic shima is worse then manual shima?

[trail temple]

Not always

[stable dawn]

your gear looks good. Maybe you just need better luck

[wicked surge]

How is rainbow mag +13 with goldburn compared to manual torp shima

[trail temple]

I usually get more success that way

[wicked surge]

Manual?

[trail temple]

Magnetic torps

[wicked surge]

Aight that works

[lusty hill]

british torp has chance to snipe backline

[trail temple]

Straight hms torps should have the black torp aux

They also have a lower range

[wicked surge]

What does June run then for aux?

[trail temple]

Double boiler

Or boiler and torp bulge

[pastel jolt]

[wicked surge]

Twin 356 or 410kai?

And how would izumo gun work?

[deft escarp]

If you have Cosmic Kicks you should try it out on Anchorage

[trail temple]

I always lose when using 356 kai

[warm crow]

this is prob the reason why my teatorps suddenly vanish before hitting the backline

[deft escarp]

[pastel jolt]

Triple gun not good

[wicked surge]

What should I replace

[lusty hill]

would it better than having manjuu?

[pastel jolt]

Manjuu NJ

[trail temple]

Manjuu on Ancho is better

Manjuu NJ is a joke

[deft escarp]

Rn I'm using Kicks+Rudder Anchorage and it works quite well

[pastel jolt]

let me spread to ALO

[deft escarp]

Dcp on NJ

[stable dawn]

smh trolling ALO players

next you'll tell me percy is good or something equally silly

[deft escarp]

Though up to your preference ig

[pastel jolt]

Maybe I should be like ChicaronLover

[deft escarp]

[pastel jolt]

And only provide the best advice

[trail temple]

Let's keep the information accurate guys, Manjuu NJ is a meme

[lusty hill]

isn't famine use it?

[deft escarp]

It is?

[pastel jolt]

Famine is Yukana

[stable dawn]

Famine is the biggest memer on Avrora bro

[pastel jolt]

[lusty hill]

and most of the times I lost is cuz manjuu on NJ so I assume it's bis

[trail temple]

Yeah, it was a joke Famine made

[deft escarp]

Zamn

[trail temple]

That's unironically skill issue I'm afraid

[deft escarp]

What other aux do I give her then

[pastel jolt]

The larger PVP playerbase unfortunately ate up the Manjuu NJ meme and assumed that it was good.

[deft escarp]

[trail temple]

White shell, rudder, beaver badge

[stable dawn]

I personally run rudder

[deft escarp]

Zemn

[pastel jolt]

I run SG Radar because I like to be different

[stable dawn]

[pastel jolt]

[stable dawn]

if you're going to troll, get out of this channel. We're having a serious discussion about pvp

[trail temple]

Where's your beaver badge?

[wicked surge]

Should I give it to June?

[trail temple]

Nah

Stick it on musashi

[wicked surge]

Ditch black shell?

[trail temple]

ye

[wicked surge]

Any more?

[stable dawn]

Do you have Shinano?

[wicked surge]

I do, how much better is she then Aquila tho

[stable dawn]

she's miles above them nowadays

[pastel jolt]

I’m just following the advice of my god Yukana.

He’s the best player.

[trail temple]

pffft 2607 on tw server

[wicked surge]

Cause next month is heavy harbiter and if the diffrence is not great enough don’t wanna swap it out

[stable dawn]

not even playing on EN smh

[pastel jolt]

Yeah, I know right? Not even 2615

[trail temple]

Not even 2620

[stable dawn]

[pastel jolt]

Koreans are too good…

[trail temple]

Avrora got a 2624

Ages ago

[pastel jolt]

Avrora is too good

We should all blame @untold crater for his failures.

[wicked surge]

What’s the best nano setup anyway, if I struggle with I’ll run nano

[trail temple]

@stable dawn

[lusty hill]

double wyvern and suisei I think

[pastel jolt]

You should ask @neon bronze, he’s the best Shinano user in Amagi server

[stable dawn]

Believe it or not it's pretty close to your Aquila setup

[pastel jolt]

Don’t trust Bongo, he’s a newbie

Better to ask ChicharonLover

[stable dawn]

bro you're literally like level 20

[lusty hill]

isn't aviation gas best in all CV?

[pastel jolt]

No, I’m level 39.

Level 40 is too hard

[stable dawn]

getting older already

[pastel jolt]

[steel coral]

Yall just scared to know the truth

[stable dawn]

no longer young

[pastel jolt]

[stable dawn]

[wicked surge]

Good enough, I’ll just get ether to check my fleet tomorrow
Man this ruins my Arizona oneshot

[stable dawn]

the legendary bowgun

[trail temple]

You might be providing our vpn, but we see that sussy manjuu nj

[pastel jolt]

One-shotting metas is for PvE plebs

Just do 32000 damage like @steel coral

[wicked surge]

Diffrent priorities , pve is better

[untold crater]

?

[pastel jolt]

Hello my god! You’re the best player!

[stable dawn]

But yeah a finalized version of your comp would probably look something like this.

[wicked surge]

I’ll save that, ty

[untold crater]

Do i know you

[wicked surge]

Ouch

[pastel jolt]

No

[deft escarp]

Where WNT

[untold crater]

Nice to meet you sir.

[pastel jolt]

Nice to meet you too, Yukana!

[untold crater]

🙂 👍

[pastel jolt]

🥹

[trail temple]

Unless you're using wnt for its effect, you can easily use it or a cata on CVs

[steel coral]

can any pvp pros give me some advice on my fleet

[stable dawn]

yeah why no 125 ships and +13 gear

[steel coral]

unethical

[stable dawn]

[trail temple]

Manjuu ancho

[steel coral]

but I only have 1

[trail temple]

White shell/rudder the nj

[pastel jolt]

You should use Pearl's Tears on Musashi

Musashi gets attacked the most due to her status as flagship, so it's best to be careful.

[steel coral]

free manjuu proc every 20s

[winged depot]

[neon bronze]

Good day, what's cooking

[whole salmon]

I finished moving

2 hours before reset

Had a flight so I rushed

Copium 84 is enough for eos

[stable dawn]

[neon bronze]

Given Lexington's state, it probably is

[winged depot]

have a safe trip

[neon bronze]

Should I rush to feed Amagi baggers?

[pastel jolt]

@coarse wing Is this Ozdhaka from Lexington?

[steel coral]

[winged depot]

[stable dawn]

not even 89

[winged depot]

[neon bronze]

earlier this season i thought bucherlord was bagging

[trail temple]

[stoic moon]

he is bagging

just doesnt do his last set to go easy on us

[neon bronze]

Overcapped twice, once in early season and one in midseason

[dim portal]

welp

[zenith lantern]

It was

[fickle echo]

You forgot the 2s finisher

Guy doesn't even have Shima

[winged depot]

He do be like me frfr

[trail temple]

A rusher won on Avrora

[stoic moon]

famine really died

[stable dawn]

I mean, he did say he quit after all

[trail temple]

His retirement post

[candid sluice]

the day famine retired is the day pvp died

[lusty hill]

bruh wtf is that even real

[trail temple]

It's very real

[lusty hill]

fuck yeah now pvp will be easy

one less wallers

[winged depot]

[trail temple]

That comment made me piss myself laughing, ngl

[uncut agate]

💀

[candid sluice]

🗣️🔥⛓️

[stable dawn]

[cerulean oriole]

I might be wrong about this, but isn't Implacable's 0 Speed ability just top tier material?

in the context of PVP?

[cinder wolf]

of course, why wouldnt it be

[trail temple]

Vanguard has nowhere to go and has to eat everything

[floral wave]

converging tbs new meta?

[candid sluice]

triple carrier new meta??

[neon bronze]

musashi 460 flag w/ implacable

dead vanguard. Manjuu Ancho, on the other hand...

[hollow walrus]

#gameplay-help. This is for pvp help

[merry vale]

[little bobcat]

tenrai hiryuu?

or skyraider

actually ill just make this easier for myself

what are my most immediate issues excluding ayanami

i was gonna replace musashi's aux gun and juneau's main gun and maybe auxes

working on harbin rn and gonna +13 tenrai soon

[winged depot]

Looks fine, but also need a wyvern on hiryuu

[stable dawn]

I'd also use pancake instead of corsair

also Anchorage should get Drake gun once you finish it

[trail temple]

Yeah you definitely want to use pancake for hiryuu

Other than that, no complaints

[blissful saddle]

If you’re sitting at the top 10 of the rankings at the start of the reset, should I sandbag and wait for opponents on my exercise list to reach higher ranks or just finish the 5 exercise attempts I have?

[neon bronze]

Up to you, it's early season atm

[candid sluice]

Id wait

[blissful saddle]

So just wait for opponents to get their ex revised in first to get the extra points?

[candid sluice]

If u feel like you’re behind the rushers u can burn a ticket or two to keep up

[little bobcat]

i'm getting one this month

[little bobcat]

working on that asap, i can put a +13 tigercat on her for rn if that works

[neon bronze]

Tigercats in pvp

[trail temple]

Tigercats more crash, more hp

[dawn jacinth]

Why do people make their fleet like all commons or really low lvls in excercises? Why not a strong fleet?

[uncut agate]

strong defence fleet serve no function for high level players

[warm crow]

you dont get points even if your defense wins, you only stop low level players/players who dont care abt pvp. Especially early season where you want ppl to climb so you get bonus. Don't wanna wall potential bonus points.

[neon bronze]

Weak fleets help both newbies (yay, wins!) and regulars (cool, i can beat this guy that'll give me a bonus with a single BB shot)

which ties in to what zirael said about early season movers

[little bobcat]

should i switch to a bad defensive then

or does it not really matter

[warm crow]

doesn't matter tbh

[little bobcat]

alr

[dawn jacinth]

oke

[quartz laurel]

What fighter is best on hiryuu for pvp?

[neon bronze]

Pancake/Flapjack

[keen juniper]

No objection

[nocturne zephyr]

Currently using Seydlitz + YTII + Enterprise. Any place to fit D30 FdG and/or Implacable

[keen juniper]

YTII swap with D30 FDG

if your FDG has FSV more better

[quartz laurel]

Guess I'll go make a pancake then o7

[nocturne zephyr]

Don't bother Vs a Tigercat unless you have a 457mm

[winged depot]

Pancake is better since this is PVP

[nocturne zephyr]

It's not that much better, and still better to not flat waste materials as the 457mm can also be good AFAIK and us much harder to acquire

If you don't have a Flapjack already, you're probably not at a spot to blow such on PvP unless you really care about it that much TBH. Don't feel like you're missing much if you use a Tigercat/Sea Hornet instead

[winged depot]

what's there to lose to make one flapjack

like its literally cheaper than a tigercat

457mm as priority when the most broken BB doesn't even use it

[nocturne zephyr]

(it's not cheaper)

[winged depot]

anyways, man is talking best fighter to use in PVP

so lets not sidetrack what he means

[nocturne zephyr]

Question was already answered. No meaning has been lost

[winged depot]

[pseudo copper]

[candid sluice]

we dont care about cost to upgrade value here

[pseudo copper]

And as if it's expensive anyways

[empty mesa]

Electronics are so hard to get. I only have a few from daily raids.

[keen juniper]

same

[stable dawn]

[trail temple]

Skill issue

[merry vale]

Material costs.

[little bobcat]

does impy have any place in meeb btw

assuming not

[merry vale]

She suffers from fragility, although she's new enough no one has her properly maxed to really test it.

[little bobcat]

ic

thanks

would it be worth oathing hiryuu for load times btw

[neon bronze]

Nope

[little bobcat]

alr

[neon bronze]

A lvl 125 Hiryuu can do most of the time

[merry vale]

If you're trying to min/max pvp for your own purposes, go for it? But it's really not needed.

[little bobcat]

i could 125 her i guess

idk how many books i have

[merry vale]

I say this as someone with a 125 oath Hiryuu exclusively to be a pvp troll.

[little bobcat]

lmao

i oathed shinano for her own fleet and i'm oathing musashi soon so

debating on whether or not to keep my last ring for collection in dock or to use it

[merry vale]

If you're short on rings, save it for someone you like.

If you don't mind wasting 6-10 dollars, go for it.

[little bobcat]

not really short

i could buy more if i wanted, i just don't usually bc i have no one to use it on

mostly only oathing for fleet sync atm

[merry vale]

Tl;dr personal choice, not required.

[little bobcat]

alr

so max prior for me is 3rd wyvern for hiryuu and replace ayanami?

oh and ig pancake but those r cheap so

[neon bronze]

if you're running Meeb, yeah

[little bobcat]

mhm

[merry vale]

Yep.

[little bobcat]

this was my fleet rn

[neon bronze]

next best option for frontline is Ancho-Harbin-Juneau

[little bobcat]

drake gun would be nice on anchorage

but

[merry vale]

3 wyverns and 1 pancake is best in slot.

[little bobcat]

i'm not gonna touch pr3 for a while so

[merry vale]

I bought mine with cores.

I haven't done any pr3 research.

But i have a couple girls maxed.

[little bobcat]

idk what i'll do with my cores, i still have an almost full pr4 catchup to do for cores

[keen juniper]

[little bobcat]

are there any improvements over ayanami besides harbin or shima

i've seen a few people recommend yukikaze

[floral wave]

yukikaze

[little bobcat]

mmm

[merry vale]

Pretty much just those 3.

[keen juniper]

Poi kai

[merry vale]

Poi is too fragile for what she offers imo.

[floral wave]

shes still fine

[merry vale]

I used to use her, musashi melts her.

[neon bronze]

forgot she existed ngl

[floral wave]

but id rather use ykkz

[keen juniper]

I’d rather Ayanami than yukikaze

[floral wave]

i mean, im running aya right now

[little bobcat]

my aya is maxed out fully so

ill just wait until shima

or harbin ig

[keen juniper]

I’ll wait until shima too

[floral wave]

ill wait until triple cv supremacy 💀

[merry vale]

Nah, we'll get a third BB that rivals Nj and Musashi.

BB supremacy.

[neon bronze]

3 BB paves the way.

[floral wave]

im already running triple bb without nj

[neon bronze]

I doubt a real 3 CV supremacy period ngl, when 3 BB exists.

[keen juniper]

Why not use both BB&CV

[floral wave]

triple bb just faster

[little bobcat]

does triple bb require nj

[neon bronze]

no

[keen juniper]

Yeah, but in a clutch with non full bar CV, there’s still a chances you lose because your BB won’t detect opponent CV

[neon bronze]

it's just a mix of musashi and whatever UR BBs + seydlitz you have in your dock atm

[floral wave]

never had an issue with cv staying undetected

[little bobcat]

mm

no seydlitz

[floral wave]

royal oak

[neon bronze]

seydlitz isn't required, i'm just listing her out as an option

[little bobcat]

sashi / vanny / fdg ig

spite maybe

for the true meme

[floral wave]

spite only when paired with vang

[little bobcat]

i could do sashi/vanny/spite

who would even flag there though

[floral wave]

sushi

[neon bronze]

it isn't that hard

[floral wave]

think id rather fdg than spite

[little bobcat]

ah

[neon bronze]

u use WNT on musashi in 3 BB, stryk?

[floral wave]

vang spite can still work i guess

most of the time no

[little bobcat]

i'm pretty comfortable with meeb so

[floral wave]

but if i know opponents fleet is strong i do swap wnt to flag

[keen juniper]

I’m pretty comfortable with MSN

[neon bronze]

Any fleet is fine, as long as you win.

[floral wave]

but i also run triple teatorp frontline

[neon bronze]

brit frontline

oh wait, you meant torps lol

[floral wave]

ye

[merry vale]

How does anchorage work with teatorps?

I'm actually curious.

What's the smoke timing on that?

I use 2 teatorps and 1 blue torp because of her.

[floral wave]

just win before you need 2nd smoke

[merry vale]

I guess.

Atm, i usually win the second Shinano drops her load.

Meeb is kinda slow, but it's effective.

I don't reset for any fight.

[floral wave]

i dropped it because it felt too slow

[merry vale]

It's a dummy safe comp lol.

[floral wave]

yeah

[merry vale]

I took off wnt and noticed no difference in my teams survival tbh in my attack fleet.

Gold catapult hiryuu + no wnt just to make some poor guy somewhere suffer.

My attack and defense fleets are the exact same.

[floral wave]

im using two lvl 1s for def

[merry vale]

The duality of man.

[floral wave]

soon two lvl1 oaths

soonTM

[merry vale]

[stable dawn]

people generally have more issues dealing with torpmemes than hiryuu from what I've seen.

[little bobcat]

shima is my biggest issue

[merry vale]

I mean true, the second i get NJ i'm never running meeb again either way.

[candid sluice]

hiryu is just a waste of time

[merry vale]

In many senses of the word.

[little bobcat]

i wonder if switching hiryuu for vanny would be any good

or spite?

but that'd take my flag wnt spot

[floral wave]

then you run musashi flag wnt

[little bobcat]

oh true

would you prefer vanny there?

[floral wave]

flag? nah

[little bobcat]

nah

between vanny / spite

for bottom spot

[floral wave]

i mean, if you use spite you swap them depending on who you want to snipe first

[little bobcat]

ig

depends on if i wanna snipe or if i just wanna do more shit

[floral wave]

with vang+spite you snipe

[little bobcat]

that sacrifices nano tho

i like keeping nano around

i guess i could run triple bb but nano wipes are fun

[floral wave]

keep the meeb then

if it works, it works

[little bobcat]

ig

i'll try out spite > hiryuu next reset

[lusty hill]

I beat famine with only 5 tries

[stoic moon]

gaming

[stable dawn]

beating up a retiree smh

[neon bronze]

respect to the elderly please

[steel coral]

would be first try if you had aya blu-ray

[stable dawn]

it's like her best skin too

[winged depot]

rip blu-ray

[lusty hill]

Now that famine has retired, who's the strongest in avrora

[trail temple]

Still Famine

No one is even close to his record

[lusty hill]

[blissful saddle]

i heard somewhere that juneau kai should be left at 120? is that a urban myth or is there some merit to leaving her at 120?

[winged depot]

120 or 125. She works either way and most of us has her at "off tank"

[blissful saddle]

if thats the case i might just 125 her.

im a bit confused by the suggested gears in the pins tab for her - on the list pearl tears is listed as only situationally viable but the notes say pearls tears works on her pretty consistently

[merry vale]

Tear can go on her, but it's better on your squishy DD in the middle.

Juneau wants boilers gyros or anti torp bulge.

[blissful saddle]

ah well im following the meeb comp so pearl would go on shima then

guess ill throw on a boiler and gyro for juneau then

[neon bronze]

👍

[merry vale]

[candid sluice]

Juneau 120 tech was before she got a retrofit

Now it’s just better to 125 her with retro

[gritty quiver]

is it just me or can bb shells spilt themselves per volley cuz i just saw my sushi hit 2 different ships with one shell each

like, 2 different backline ships on the top and bottom of the screen

[trail temple]

Yes, can happen

[blissful saddle]

so uh if youre hypothetically at rank 20 and you have two exercises to burn but wont get bonus points should you save the exercises and wait for the guy in the first slot of your excercise list to move up or should you just burn the exercises

[stable dawn]

there's 11.5 hours left in the reset

[blissful saddle]

eh yeah the rankings have moved - i moved down to 40 and looks like the others in my server finished their excercises and topped out

i used an excercise and didnt get a bonus point but it looks like if i finish my last exercise ill be 7 points clear of #1

i guess i should just save my attempts to make sure i snag the bonus points lol

[pseudo copper]

You shouldn't be going down below 5 if bagging, and you shouldn't be hitting 5 remaining this early if you were usually

[blissful saddle]

ah definitely messed up then, how should i recover to make sure i can still have a shot at aotn?

[pseudo copper]

Nah, aotn is relatively easy, just don't rush too much and you'll be fine

Can bag the resets you are awake for and then 0 out before you sleep and hit aotn without trouble

[blissful saddle]

usually though when you finish the resets before sleeping for example wouldnt you only get 1 or 2 bonus points from the 5 excercises?

[pseudo copper]

You can get 5 bonuses or more per reset at this point

Depends on your luck

[blissful saddle]

Ah gotcha, well with most of the exercises if not all the ones I did I made sure to at least use them up when I know I’ll get a bonus point

But I’ll just use the 1 exercise I have left tonight then start bagging and leaving 5 every time

[little bobcat]

what is considered rushing

[empty mesa]

Moving earlier than 3 minutes before reset.

[pseudo copper]

I mean 2m also rushing

Obv gotta do all 5 in 1m

[little bobcat]

oh

[warm crow]

overcap strat

[pseudo copper]

Slingshot strat*

[stable dawn]

Yukana strat

overcap in advance so you don't need to rush at 1m

[winged depot]

Discord on phone is a diff. breed

seriously thought there were 2 bongos

[stable dawn]

[pseudo copper]

The top one is better

[neon bronze]

[floral wave]

if there was 2 bongos washington wouldnt be dead

or is it not anymore

how did last season end

[little bobcat]

????

+15

how low was i

wtf

wait how does the point system work exactly

im too stupid for this shit

[warm crow]

#pvp message

[glossy burrow]

How do you make a chart like this?

[river gale]

https://x94fujo6rpg.github.io/AzurLaneFleet/

[little bobcat]

ohhh

ty

[valid oxide]

Once daedalian hymn comes round, would anyone from that event replace anyone in my current setup? Aya gonna replace nosh soonTM

[winged depot]

you could do aquila, vv, musashi and change noshi to duca and see how its gonna go

[glossy burrow]

Oh boy I’ll share my beta fleet here…

[stable dawn]

rush Harbin

[umbral saddle]

is monarch good flagship for pvp?

[stable dawn]

monarch hasn't been good since 2018

[neon bronze]

[umbral saddle]

what bb would be good pvp flagship? except for gacha UR bbs

[stable dawn]

the meta nowadays is to use CVs as flagship actually

due to stealth mechanic

[umbral saddle]

so 3 cvs backline?

[stable dawn]

no because then you don't have enough dps

[neon bronze]

3 BBs will destroy your frontline too lmao

and the experience that a single WNT makes it unviable (specifically in 3 preload CV fleets)

[stable dawn]

that's because the third preload is Perseus and percy is bad good

[neon bronze]

[stable dawn]

if we had a CV as tanky as Shinano but with preload, you can pretty much guarantee triple CV would be viable if not meta

[neon bronze]

[umbral saddle]

rn i am using amagi-enterprise-yt2 and was wondering if amagi can be replaced by someone

[stable dawn]

tbh it sounds like you don't have many ships, so I'd just use pvp for free EXP and ignore the meta and all that

[neon bronze]

budget fleet

[stable dawn]

that fleet is older than you bro

💀

like, why would anyone use essex when they already have york II

also sea hornets instead of pancakes

[neon bronze]

oh i forgot lol

[stable dawn]

because pancake didn't exist back then

[neon bronze]

lmao i forgot the footnotes

[neon bronze]

@umbral saddle Yk2n replaces Essex in the fleet. And use Pancake fighters

[stable dawn]

should probably put a giant disclaimer then that says "outdated"

[umbral saddle]

will hiryuu get targetted by enemy ships if i put her as flagship?

[neon bronze]

[stable dawn]

only if she gets revealed

[neon bronze]

No, bcs of the Hidden mechanic
Having a preload CV or beating the frontline will make her visible and targetable

[stable dawn]

oh wow that budget fleet is so old Juneau didn't have a retro yet

[umbral saddle]

who should be flagship among those 3 cvs?

[neon bronze]

any1 i guess

[neon bronze]

DAEDALIAN HYMN RERUN ANNOUNCED

WILL GO UP AFTER NEXT MAINTENANCE

AQUILA COME HOME

[lusty hill]

is veneto and duca abruzzi still relevant in pvp nowadays?

[neon bronze]

veneto's powercrept. duca is an alternative to noshiro, ppl mostly use juneau and harbin nowadays

[lusty hill]

time to get aquila then

[merry vale]

[stable dawn]

Aquila isn't even T0 anymore though

[merry vale]

Shinano is love Shinano is life.

[stable dawn]

[winged depot]

Both are hot

[lusty hill]

Aquila still insanely strong, she can consistently beat a meeb fleet, I know that because I use meeb and I've been consistently annihilated by aquila

Aquila is shimakaze of backline

[stable dawn]

what

Meeb is literally the strongest fleet in the meta right now but only if you have fully enhanced gear

show your comp and gear, please

I suspect you may have some inefficient choices

[lusty hill]

My gear is exactly like in the pvp guide, the only difference is I use ayanami instead of shimakaze

[stable dawn]

that doesn't explain anything. The PvP guide gives many different possible setups.

[merry vale]

I thought MSN was strongest atm?

[stable dawn]

Meeb is stronger if you use WNT flag with hiryuu

but at that point it also depends on your enemy NJ

[lusty hill]

isn't the aviation medal thing better?

[stable dawn]

debatable, let's ask @neon bronze

[neon bronze]

[stable dawn]

in Meeb, do you prefer WNT Hiryuu flag or Frontier Medal Hiryuu flag?

[neon bronze]

WNT if I want my Meeb to survive (against other T0 fleets), otherwise Frontier. Currently using Frontier Hiryuu on my defense

not like i'd be active this season

[stable dawn]

Understandable

so my prior claim is correct. WNT is better once you're that high up

[merry vale]

If wnt makes or breaks your fleet, your fleet has bigger issues.

[stable dawn]

show eos

[merry vale]

As if eos had anything to do with anything.

[stable dawn]

well it requires better fleets otherwise you can't push as late

especially on your server, where there's actually more than 10 active pvpers

[merry vale]

If you're trying to rush last minute wins, wnt slows you down anyways.

[stable dawn]

It's about increasing winrate because at a certain point you no longer have time to retry a battle

[merry vale]

What if you have a 100% winrate without it?

[stable dawn]

how often do you encounter actual pvp fleets though?

[merry vale]

I haven't retried a battle in months.

[stable dawn]

You seem to take great pride in bullying newbies with Hiryuu

but I haven't heard much about enemy metas

[neon bronze]

it's a requirement in Amagi.

i've seen a decent amount of 2 BB Aquilas there

[stable dawn]

thing is Yakuza doesn't have the level of followup as Meeb and MSN

let alone HYMEN

[neon bronze]

followup?

[stable dawn]

sustained damage

[merry vale]

Tbh, in amagi i mostly see actual fodder.

[stable dawn]

well that explains your winrate

[merry vale]

There's only a slim few fleets that even look geared.

[trail temple]

I heard from Gorrillaz and Flaccid torp that Fluffy's fleet is pretty easy, and that's coming from newbies

[stable dawn]

Man where is Gorrillaz anyway? I haven't seen them in a while.

Truly a maverick among mavericks

[trail temple]

Learning PvP and studying monkeys

[stable dawn]

🙊

Last I saw him, he was on some kind of plastic beach

[candid sluice]

Talking smack while never on high ladder is crazy

[winged depot]

[velvet tapir]

your opinion for which shipgirls that needs to be banned from PVP Season?

[uncut agate]

ban one ship, other one becomes meta, ban that too and the cycle repeats until every ship is banned, so just ban pvp

[neon bronze]

Remove bulins from merit shop and see the rushers drop off

[stable dawn]

ban Yuckykaze

[winged depot]

[steel coral]

ban every backrow except ranger

[stable dawn]

ranger v ranger meta

[pseudo copper]

Ban Yukana

[stable dawn]

Yukana already banned. When was the last time you saw them in top 10

[pseudo copper]

Today

[stable dawn]

show

[pseudo copper]

See, Yukana is r2

r6, r7, and r8 too

[floral wave]

voices finally paying off

[stable dawn]

[floral wave]

quite literally too

[trail temple]

Imagine discussing banlists in AL

[empty mesa]

Competitive e-sport game mode.

[candid sluice]

i suggest we do what pokemon does and put ships into tiers and play based on said tiers

[pastel jolt]

Is Musashi Uber or OU? Or is she Anything Goes?

[stable dawn]

[little bobcat]

she's easily ag

hiryuu and shinano would be OU staples

enty would be mid OU or dominate UU

nj would be ubers

same w/ the italians

[winged depot]

[pastel jolt]

Italian ubers

[velvet tapir]

Seasonal PVP Regulation Example:

Shipgirls that is prohibited to be deployed on your fleet:

Main Fleet ships:

1. New Jersey
2. Shinano
3. Hakuryu
4. Musashi
5. Perseus
6. Unicorn (Retrofit)

Vanguard Fleet Ships:

1. Shimkaze
2. Agir
3. Azuma
4. Kronshtadt

Prohibited Equipments to be equipped:

Torpedo bombers:

1. Westland Wyvern (Enhancement level 13)
2. Douglas XTB2D Skypirate (Enhancement level 12)

Dive bombers:

• Nakajima J5N Tenrai (Enhancement level 12)

Torpedo launchers:

• 533mm Quintuple homing torpedo mount (UR) (Enhancement level 13)

Violation notification:

Equipping gears that violates the Equipment regulation:

• Some of your ships is equipped with the gears that violates the regulation, unable to deploy. Please check Rules for details.

Deploying a fleet that is having a shipgirl that violates the regulation:

• Your fleet is having a ship that violates the regulation, unable to deploy. Please check Rules for details.

[fickle echo]

[lusty hill]

They should unironically add this rule

[stable dawn]

Haku

[fickle echo]

UR good

[stable dawn]

so good she isn't even on the pvp fleet comps list

also Perseus and Unicorn retro

[fickle echo]

UR sub torps are already banned in pvp

[stable dawn]

💀 💀 💀

[keen juniper]

You don’t need to use those ban ship, still can win

[stable dawn]

didn't even ban anchorage

[keen juniper]

exactly

[stable dawn]

also wyvern +13 is banned but not +12?

ez game

[fickle echo]

Breguet +13

[stable dawn]

didn't even ban 457mm gun

[keen juniper]

What’s the problem with Tenrai, we use Suisei kai

[fickle echo]

Ban 460mm on Musashi and mk7 on NJ too

[stable dawn]

actually with these bans we can still use Aquila

Aquila FdG UvH ez

Vanguard is Anchorage Ayaya Harbin

Literally easy game

bro you should get eos with this "ethical" loadout lmao

[fickle echo]

Ayaya OU after Shima ban

[stable dawn]

[keen juniper]

She’s my star

[neon bronze]

Watch as the devs conveniently forget to apply this feature

[stable dawn]

it will literally not affect the meta beyond changing which BBs you instantly die at 17s from

[uncut agate]

.

[keen juniper]

[stable dawn]

we're at the point where a man using Battle Tractor on UvH got EoS

[neon bronze]

who's this UvH

[stable dawn]

anything is possible as long as you have enough motivation

https://tenor.com/view/vergilsmile-vergil-vergil-dmc-vergil-devil-may-cry-vergil-dmc5-gif-24388059

[fickle echo]

[keen juniper]

Ban NJ ban Musashi, then they release Iowa and Yamato

[stable dawn]

shhh you might summon dishwasher

[candid sluice]

if shima is put into ubers tier then im only playing ubers 💯

[pseudo copper]

Skypirate so good it needs ban

[neon bronze]

as it should be

[pseudo copper]

CBs ban is so funny

Why is he trying to make pvp vanguards better?

[fickle echo]

Ban all the good ships and players without motivation to build a new fleet will just quit pvp or even quit AL entirely

[stable dawn]

with pvp as the primary popular gamemode, the devs will be forced to improve it

GENIUS

[candid sluice]

banning cbs and not anchorag is crazy

[pseudo copper]

Obv he is playing some version of pvp where cbs are broken

[fickle echo]

They will improve pvp it just like they said they would improve challenge mode... Oh wait

[keen juniper]

[pseudo copper]

Based af

[stable dawn]

that will be the day I finally retire for real

[pseudo copper]

Removing pvp is best move they can make

[stable dawn]

literally

[pseudo copper]

pvp already dead with no Famine

[fickle echo]

The apocalypse of pvp

[neon bronze]

hey

[pseudo copper]

Maybe Letan can finally get Admiral of the Anvy after pvp removed

[candid sluice]

if we ban equipment from pvp can we ban players too

[uncut agate]

having to change ships and gear every season

[candid sluice]

unultra has been ruining my seasons

[uncut agate]

https://tenor.com/view/neil-patrick-harris-shudder-shrug-disgusted-gif-13575156

[pseudo copper]

Yeah Yukana cheating atm

[neon bronze]

818 in 2023 pvp, sorry for following quyet

[fickle echo]

Ban anyone who gets a score higher than 2589

[keen juniper]

You banned

[fickle echo]

Finally a reason to forget pvp

[pseudo copper]

Ari can't hit admiral of the anvy so doubt

He has no NJ

[keen juniper]

Finally my time as EoS

[velvet tapir]

if the regulation exists, the regulation may changes randomly

[keen juniper]

[stable dawn]

so you mean every other season I can put NJ back into my fleet

because if they're banned one season, they probably won't be banned the next

EZ GAME

[fickle echo]

Ban the only good ship of new/returning players

[keen juniper]

Forgetting pvp for one season is ez, I’ve done it

[pseudo copper]

Just forget about AL

[velvet tapir]

If the listed of prohibited gears that is on +13 but the equipment that is listed on the regulation but the number of the enhancement is under +13 is may still tolerated

[pseudo copper]

Go touch some grass

[stable dawn]

you do realize how strong wyvern is, right?

[candid sluice]

just ban all equipment

[pseudo copper]

Not as strong as Skypirate

[keen juniper]

Do you realize I don’t have +13 Wyvern, mine still +11

[pseudo copper]

I have no gear

[candid sluice]

my wyverns are all +13

account bricked

[pseudo copper]

Yeah you didn't +13 the Skypirate

Obv superior

[stable dawn]

well if you don't, I will show you a screenshot of why Wyvern is so strong

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/745143627608752179/1080398188231524352/Screenshot_20230301_025553_YouTube_1.jpg

[pseudo copper]

Aoste says Tenrai can intercept

[stable dawn]

@hoary quailste

whoops sorry

[fickle echo]

[stable dawn]

but it looks like Aoste isn't even in ALO anymore

[candid sluice]

bro forgot to ban bb guns

[fickle echo]

I summon @light crystal

[stable dawn]

black magic

Ari confirmed necromancer

[pseudo copper]

We need to call mods to ban Ari

[stable dawn]

ban for illegal necromancy

[pseudo copper]

Black magic is against discord tos

[trail temple]

Why the hell are there large cruisers on this list? What are you smoking? No one in their right mind uses Large Cruisers at the top end

[pseudo copper]

You are at bottom end

[empty mesa]

Fleet power meta.

[pseudo copper]

He's at top end

[trail temple]

No, I cheat, remember? I'm always at the top through my cheater powers

[pseudo copper]

He plays the game properly and knows the truly troublesome ships in pvp

[keen juniper]

Ägir is on my top, and grounded me

[pseudo copper]

You cheat to the bottom

[fickle echo]

If I was one I could find a way to save my server from the 2589 death

[pseudo copper]

It's higher number = better

[trail temple]

Sounds counterproductive ngl

[pseudo copper]

So rank 10k > 1

[stable dawn]

see that's the thing. When your pvpers become zombies, you can't resurrect them because they've already been resurrected. This is how Sandyfication works.

[trail temple]

You need to sell it better than that bro

[stable dawn]

[pseudo copper]

Have you tried creating new ones?

[stable dawn]

we're the most recommended server right now and yet we have no new pvpers

[pseudo copper]

Take the newbies and throw em in a forest with wolves

[uncut agate]

Perma death to any ship that dies in PvP for that season

[pseudo copper]

Those that survive can become pvpers

[neon bronze]

when attempted to log in w/ my amagi acc, i was recommended the washy server

[stable dawn]

I think only servers that start with A can grow pvpers

[fickle echo]

The true KanColle collab

[uncut agate]

[pseudo copper]

Low stakes, if you overcap or lose a battle in pvp you die in real life

[stable dawn]

I like the sound of those odds.

[fickle echo]

A battle royale where only the T10 EoS can survive

[pseudo copper]

RIP Beth

[stable dawn]

it's not a battle royale if 10 people survive

[pseudo copper]

Those 10 colluded

And are just 1 person

[stable dawn]

ok Yukana

[fickle echo]

K*nny?

[pseudo copper]

I mean Yukana is dominating pvp atm

[steel coral]

purge style season, no resetting and if you lose a fight you die

[keen juniper]

The regulation is : someone that reached AoTN that season entered battle royale mode, if you overcapped you out that season

[stable dawn]

I thought he was busy dominating you

[stable dawn]

[pseudo copper]

Yukana's voices can do separate tasks

[stable dawn]

[pseudo copper]

I think we can all agree with Abdillah that stakes of pvp should be higher and if you overcap, lose a battle or not eos you die irl

[neon bronze]

wtf

kirito now overpower

[fickle echo]

Nah keep everything normal unless you lose/reset against an Enty fleet, then you get a 70% chance of dying irl everytime it happens

[neon bronze]

so unfair!

[stable dawn]

[keen juniper]

[pseudo copper]

Battle and forget

Remove resetting too

[trail temple]

@lusty hill What were your reset times again?

[lusty hill]

daily reset at 2 pm

[neon bronze]

mainland SEA bro?

[lusty hill]

nah I'm an island people

I think I've mention in this channel that I'm indonesian before

[velvet tapir]

in indonesia, the resets is at 14:00 (West indonesia), 15:00 (Central indonesia), 16:00 (East indonesia)

[empty mesa]

Wtf. There are three Indonesias?

[lusty hill]

the entire country is so wide, in comparison its length span is like from spain to european russia

so yeah there's three timezone

[neon bronze]

timezone moment

[stable dawn]

w i d e

[candid sluice]

wtf another indo

alo masbro

[lusty hill]

[neon bronze]

aduh masbro

[candid sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/capybara-ok-i-pull-up-coconut-dog-gif-26214199

[merry vale]

That's a meme right?

[trail temple]

No, he's deadly serious

R1000+ must be littered with so many large cruisers

[merry vale]

[whole salmon]

This doesn’t change much, you just reverted it back to the old meta days and people will still come up with a strong comp

Ancho, Juneau aren’t banned

Neither is FDG, Vanguard, UvH, Duca, Noshiro

[floral wave]

skyraider +12 banned but +13 fine?

[whole salmon]

You didn’t ban 457

[floral wave]

not that it matters but

[whole salmon]

In short, you didn’t change much

And if you ban those, people would run Nagato Amagi Hiryuu again

[floral wave]

man banned 90% waifu fleets tho

[whole salmon]

We have a meta for each period, if you ban everything meta recently, we would just use what’s meta back then

[floral wave]

wait, is that a secret tech to make everyone run meta defense

[whole salmon]

And some of us have played for a while, we already have old pvp meta ships leveled

[floral wave]

banning agirs and shit

[whole salmon]

Also if you ban Ancho and Juneau

You are brining back the cancerous old days of triple Mkix torp frontline cancer that plagued 2020

noshiro naganami jintsuu

[keen juniper]

Noshiro, Ayanami, Ibuki ig

or Noshiro, Poi kai, Ibuki

[merry vale]

It's almost like banning ships is a waste of time and effort.

Almost.

[whole salmon]

This comp is so mbruh that multiple items were introduced just to kill it

WNT, Nelson Flag and Manjuu in particular

And it seems to have worked