pvp

[floral wave]

when you dont do your exercises

[unreal leaf]

ah yes

[floral wave]

i missed 5 this season

[merry vale]

Plymouth in a triple BB fleet though.

[floral wave]

yeah im using that rn

triple bb with ply

[merry vale]

Nj Musashi Uvh and Plymouth.

[floral wave]

yeah im just using vang because no nj

[unreal leaf]

i wish i started earlier

and grabbed this vanguard

started my journey on shinano rerun

[floral wave]

shinano hiryuu musashi is one of the strongest backlines for pvp right now

[unreal leaf]

and my bbs feel bad

[floral wave]

but it needs gear investments

[unreal leaf]

wyverns 😩

[floral wave]

youll get there eventually

[merry vale]

Who knows what's going to happen after the gear lab update.

Maybe UR prints wont just be gathering dust.

[dapper yew]

Surely UR AA will be added

[merry vale]

About damn time.

[dapper yew]

or maybe a way to exchange to something useful

[merry vale]

If it does give cracked out UR AA guns it might change the meta though.

That's huge nerf to carriers If the guns are great.

[floral wave]

would have to be super cracked

[dapper yew]

Hmm only thing I could think is just sextuple AA paired with 134 FP/stag hit

[floral wave]

like double sexybofors with hit stat in one

[dapper yew]

Give the roombas some love I reckon

[merry vale]

BB supremacy.

[floral wave]

triple cv supremacy when

[dapper yew]

When musashi gets nerfed

[sterile tinsel]

Arms race AL

Adding new much imbalance UR,than before

Slutmakaze can easily wipe out your vang.Alchorage cover her from counter-strike...

[unreal leaf]

Shima rerun when

[dapper yew]

soon™️

[floral wave]

anchorage much UR, much imbalance

[winged depot]

shimakaze is not even that important, but she's nice to have

[unreal leaf]

vanguard feels the worst to miss

[floral wave]

not rly tbh

[unreal leaf]

huge buffs to BB, NJ can be traded for Musashi

and UvH isnt that impressive

[floral wave]

uvh is quite good tho

and vanguard buffs arent that inportant

[dapper yew]

Who's giving huge buffs to BB?

[sterile tinsel]

[winged depot]

well, might as well use hiryuu, shinano, musashi if you missed Vanguard

pepega tier list

[winged depot]

Vanny

[unreal leaf]

isnt this for pve tho

[dapper yew]

Perseus hits like a wet paper towel in pvp ngl

[floral wave]

it is for pve and campaign only at that

[unreal leaf]

unicorn carrying me through pvp tho :D

[sterile tinsel]

I saw many guys with them

In pvp

[dapper yew]

oohh I thought they meant vanguard UR units ahahah

[floral wave]

btw, do you have akagi muse? @unreal leaf

because i assume you dont have impero

[unreal leaf]

only normal akagi

whats impero

[floral wave]

semi preload italian cv

[unreal leaf]

nope

my main fleeters

[winged depot]

perfect

now raise hiryuu

[unreal leaf]

kk

[floral wave]

and get 3 wyverns

[winged depot]

nano, musashi and hiryuu

[unreal leaf]

btw anyone tested new collab ships with their auxs/gear?

some augments looked op on paper

[floral wave]

dont think theres gonna be any extensive testing of them

neither looks any good for pvp

[unreal leaf]

also got it right now

maybe there will be some usage after 1 year if i succeed to dl30

[floral wave]

also a no go for pvp currently

[unreal leaf]

oh ok

[winged depot]

she hurts but she's way too slow to launch

[unreal leaf]

isnt it the same for shinano

[floral wave]

shinano has buffs + dmg reductions

and more torp bombers

[winged depot]

the literally this year comp

[unreal leaf]

Harbin :O

[dapper yew]

Harbin and ancho smokes stack?

[winged depot]

I recently switched from ayanami to harbin

[winged depot]

think so

[unreal leaf]

Harbin wer

[winged depot]

ahh that TL is not updated

[floral wave]

yeah thats really old

check the doc in pins

[merry vale]

That one is ancient.

It hasn't been touched since Shima was released iirc.

[unreal leaf]

this one?

tank you

[floral wave]

harbin meeb enjoyers 🤝

[unreal leaf]

on avrora still every team i see is italian NJ

[merry vale]

Living in the past.

[floral wave]

on most servers youll see that being most common team

[dapper yew]

Yep, a lot of aquila's on avrora

[floral wave]

people dont care about pvp and were hurt by mafia in the past

[unreal leaf]

thats 90% of teams

[winged depot]

I still see a lot of mafias too in amagi

[unreal leaf]

btw whats the best counter to mafia :D

[floral wave]

weeb

[winged depot]

probably in the thinking of "if it still works, then it still works"

and its not wrong ngl

[floral wave]

or meeb, currently

[dapper yew]

I don't think I've seen a single harbin in avrora yet, might try it

[merry vale]

Meeb and Musashi mafia are the two apex predators of the meta.

[floral wave]

harbin is basically a shima replacement or 3rd spot in very aggro comps

[empty mesa]

[lusty hill]

I got a +12 from this

[somber walrus]

i use Roma as Flagship. with Enty

[floral wave]

waifu fleets are fine, just dont expect to beat meta fleets with them

[trail temple]

Just have the meta ships as your waifu

Then it will be a waifu fleet and a meta fleet

😤

[coral wren]

So whats the meta fleet now?

[pseudo copper]

#pvp message

[coral wren]

Ah thats the one thx

[dreamy lance]

Hello any opinions on Perseus in PVP?

[neon bronze]

good for sniping, ehh otherwise

lmg, no aquila

holy shit, another close matchup

thought my ships already on their way to atlantis

+12

god bless Manjuu (gear) for not working with non-Eagle ships

!!!

[untold crater]

Rusher spotted

[pseudo copper]

Brah and Silent are best 2 to ask about Percy

But Brah got banned

[neon bronze]

so go to ALM and prayge that Brah'll online

[floral wave]

or ask silent

preferably with a ping

[sterile tinsel]

Virgin bagger vs chad rusher

[candid sluice]

funny coming from kms simplord

[sterile tinsel]

[neon bronze]

fuck it ima rush ig. sleepy time

plus there's an irl event tomorrow for me

so not much time tomorrow

back to bagging just before next daily reset ig

[neon bronze]

you called?

[sterile tinsel]

Like I said before:I need to go sleep in that time)

[sterile tinsel]

Damn...

[winged depot]

What's wrong with being a bagger? You don't want ppl get a massive point diff from you?

you sound like a child

[merry vale]

To each their own, let us live in peace.

[neon bronze]

Don't think they'll contest AotN EoS, they can hit AotN this way

[untold crater]

?

Just a meme bro

You guys taking pvp way too seriously

[merry vale]

[winged depot]

Sorry

Kms fan being a kms fan again, didn't see

[untold crater]

[sterile tinsel]

[sterile tinsel]

Don't get meme too seriously

[sterile tinsel]

[winged depot]

course its a meme

i'm memeing too with that

[lunar echo]

Bagging as a strat would not be viable without rushers

Without the prey, the predator has no food

Respect the rushers you eat

[untold crater]

Yes it would

Just bag the baggers

[lunar echo]

Better hope you're in the right timezone for that

[dreamy lance]

If everyone is a bagger you shouldn't have problems eating those that move at 15/10

[untold crater]

Timezone doesn't matter for a bagger

[dreamy lance]

That's Yukana strat

[lunar echo]

It does on the last day for EoS ranking at least

[dreamy lance]

roll bagger every reset and overcap due to moving late and playing Valorant

[winged depot]

reset is always at the same time wdym

[dreamy lance]

[lunar echo]

I'm not staying up until 3 AM on a work night and fucking up my Monday just for that

[untold crater]

emu lag with valo open smh

[dreamy lance]

[winged depot]

I think some sleep, I mean I do but I at least put an alarm beside me if its 1 hour before reset

imagine sleeping through 3 alarms...

[dreamy lance]

Others just move early 👍 move early means you are good food for hard baggers that set

Everyone likes a good meal

[winged depot]

yes

[untold crater]

Some commit the sin of gluttony and overcap

[dreamy lance]

That's you bro

[untold crater]

One and only

Worth tho

[winged depot]

the voices

[dreamy lance]

[trail temple]

Only thing making us not the worst pvp region is China

With a max score in the 2560s

[stable dawn]

[neon bronze]

Has someone reached the 2600s or 2700s? Vaguely remember someone in KR reached the latter

[untold crater]

2600 yeah

Even was a 2600 last season on Lexington server

But 2700 is not possible lol

[neon bronze]

Most rushers

Thank god they have not grasped bagging as a concept

[untold crater]

Pretty sure it's just WR diff

[trail temple]

Envy's confirmed this, yes

And yeah, I don't think 2700 is possible

Highest is 2621 iirc

Highest ever*

[untold crater]

2621 KR 2614 TW 2607 EN

What was JP record?

[neon bronze]

Ah thNks for confirming

[trail temple]

2617

[untold crater]

Ah gotcha

[trail temple]

Time to raise an army to beat KR

[deft escarp]

Just make 10 accounts and sandbag off of them

[candid sluice]

thats what korea server does

[trail temple]

x10

[sterile tinsel]

I ate one guy with 12 points today...

[neon bronze]

Gives a +102 if 10/10 or +52 if 5/10

[sterile tinsel]

5/10 would be much better

Greater chance to get another +2

[neon bronze]

new fear unlocked: Musashi - NJ - Shinano

specifically Rosa Atra's fleet

Oh well bagging can come later

[untold crater]

[wide gazelle]

best pvp fleet rn?

[winged depot]

pins, salty's docs

[trail temple]

[wide gazelle]

ty

[neon bronze]

am back after doing irl pvp and spectating games

i have a question but my bluestacks take long to load. hdd moment

[candid sluice]

whats the meta in irl pvp?

[empty mesa]

[neon bronze]

chess w/ chess clock

[trail temple]

Guns for show, knives for a pro

[candid sluice]

is there a irl pvp tierlist

[lusty hill]

when's the next irl pvp

[neon bronze]

last battle for this reset so close.

hmm... +6~ more and I can then rush to AotN asap

6 because there's a chance I'll get a +9 instead of 10

[dapper yew]

I believe in you getting it within 5

[wheat torrent]

what's best shinana loadout for pvp?
Also, opinions on "Musashi/NJ/Shinano" vs "Musashi/NJ/Hiryuu Kai" ?
also, opinions on Juneau vs harbin for off tank, and if harbin should ever replace shimakaze.
Does Juneau need to be 120 or 125 to be useful, or is it better to keep her underleveled?

[wicked surge]

Check pin

[wheat torrent]

Every single one of my questions is asking about the pinned pvp guide about the nuances between the top choices, where there ins't good explanation about what should be used and why

[whole salmon]

Harbin off tank currently still isn’t quite reliable so just stick with Juneau. The only few comps where Harbin can off tank is in NJ Musashi Aquila and Triple BB

[wheat torrent]

okay, so two torps, not a fighter in slot 1? Also, I I have only one wyvern, should it be slot 1 or 3, and what should the other one be? parallel or converging?

[wicked surge]

Pretty sure It is in order on how good they are

[whole salmon]

Harbin as of currently can’t replace Shima but can only serve as a substitute. There’s synergy requirements with Shinano where you need certain number of IJN ships. As for non Shinano comps then Shima still has higher dps which is more favorable in faster comps

[wheat torrent]

They are all "tier zero" so does that mean hyruukai/shinana/sushi is better than any of the NJ and Musashi comps?

[whole salmon]

NJ Musashi Shinano and NJ Musashi Hiryuu currently are equals, they both function similar enough that it depends on preference

[wheat torrent]

so if I'm running 3 ijn not including shima, does harbin do better?

[whole salmon]

If you only have 1 Wyvern then don’t bother running Shinano, stick with Hiryuu and Aquila

[whole salmon]

No

[wheat torrent]

i can make another wyvern, is the double wyvern the reason she's good?

[whole salmon]

CV comps require a lot of investment in general

[wheat torrent]

I've never faced a hiryuu where it seemed like it caused me the loss, is she really that good?

[whole salmon]

+13 on 3 Wyverns and a Tenrai seems quite important to the overall performance

If you can’t put in the investment then just run Aquila, Shinano, Hiryuu + 2 BBs

[whole salmon]

As for the Juneau stuff then just level her

[wheat torrent]

between aquila, shinano, and hiryuu, which one is best? I'll run musashi and NJ as the two BB

[whole salmon]

There’s no best one

Depends on your investment level and playstyle

[floral wave]

and preference i guess

aldarn seemed to like hiryuu, no?

[wheat torrent]

well aquil seems best with her preload, shinana seems good being tanky and damage, and hiryuu seems good to be an annoying stall if that somehow helps

[floral wave]

or was it someone else

[whole salmon]

Aquila is for fast comp, meaning your rushing potential is quite good but your stalling defense fleet is nonexistent

Between Hiryuu and Shinano then Shinano has higher damage overall while Hiryuu provide more consistency

NJ Musashi Shinano and NJ Musashi Hiryuu serves roughly the same purpose that there’s no noticeable difference

[wheat torrent]

k , i'll make another wyvern and run shinano... she's way better waifu than hiryuu

[whole salmon]

There’s only 4 style of pvp comps

1/ Fast strike comp that comes with preload CV

2/ Slow strike comp but has higher burst damage

3/ Triple BB comp

4/ your fleet is meme

[wheat torrent]

i want the one that has the highest no look win capability, because I sometimes don't look

[whole salmon]

Aquila fall into number 1

Both Shinano and Hiryuu are in number 2

[floral wave]

best highest no look win% is the fleet with most proper +13 gear

[whole salmon]

All of them you don’t need to look if you have good enough gear

If you have enough +13 gear you should be racking in 95% wr against 99.9% of the server

Aside from like the 20 or so pvp veterans

[wheat torrent]

i have mostly +13 on my main guns / airplans and auxes, and still die occasionally when I was running mafia... so I was looking to up my game.

[whole salmon]

Current state of pvp then you definitely need Musashi

Also screenshot your gear

[wheat torrent]

k, gear screenshots are high effort, one sec

@whole salmon

[whole salmon]

Changes needed

[wheat torrent]

where plz?

[whole salmon]

Remove the Tenrai

Run Suisei 12A

[wheat torrent]

orl

[whole salmon]

Next is Sextuple +13 on Juneau

Quint Rainbow Mag as well if possible

Give the damage control to replace NJ’s White Shell

Then switch Beaver to replace Musashi’s white shell

[wheat torrent]

suiisei is +10 for now

[whole salmon]

That’s fine

[wheat torrent]

i only have one sextuple

[whole salmon]

Run Staag on Ancho and Shima then

Switch Sextuple over to Juneau

[whole salmon]

Switch Ancho’s torp over to this

[wheat torrent]

quint on juneau? Is quint worth making?

[whole salmon]

Switch Pearl to Shima

[whole salmon]

If you don’t have the investment then not necessary

[wheat torrent]

i thought the torps I had on ancho was bis

[whole salmon]

As for Shinano

It isn’t

As you don’t seem to have Plymouth’s gun

[wheat torrent]

i don't have ancho fs5 yet

[wheat torrent]

ply gun is 46/50

[whole salmon]

Run this on both NJ and Musashi as aux

[whole salmon]

Pearl over to Shima instead of rainbow oxy

[wheat torrent]

why harbin gun better?

[whole salmon]

Range

And that’s a pve tier list

Pvp don’t follow such rules here

[wheat torrent]

is harbin gun at +10 better than IB DD gun at +13?

[whole salmon]

If it is already at +13 then keep

[wheat torrent]

because it'll take a sec to get to 13... i'm poor on plates and gold right now

[whole salmon]

But put Harbin gun on Musashi

Plymouth gun on Musashi whenever you have that ready

[wheat torrent]

what second aux on jun if pearl on shima?, and do I get rid of black torp or rainbow torp for pearl?

[whole salmon]

Your backline is quite close, just need some gear switching

[whole salmon]

Black + Pearl

As for Juneau then you can either run

• Gyro Boiler
• Gyro Gyro
• Gyro Torp Bulge

[wheat torrent]

manju plus beaver on jun?

[whole salmon]

No

Never

[wheat torrent]

oh, which one best?

[whole salmon]

Not in a million years

[whole salmon]

All works roughly the same

Boiler Gyro seems most consistent

You can switch out 1 of them for Cosmic Kicks as well

Then put Juneau off tank, Ancho main tank

[wheat torrent]

cosmic kicks on jun instead of torp bulge?

[whole salmon]

Ancho would run Cosmic Kicks + Boiler or Rudder + Boiler

[wheat torrent]

i don't have a boiler or gyro leveled up yet

[whole salmon]

Depending on what you have

[whole salmon]

Mbruh it is a purple gear, you just need it at +10

Aviation Fuel on Shinano @wheat torrent

And WNT

If you don’t have WNT then you can run the Feather from that one French event

[wheat torrent]

no, i have wnt and fuel at +11 ea

i used to run those on aquil

[whole salmon]

Then Aviation Fuel + WNT on Shinano

Essentially every CV in pvp like those

[wheat torrent]

rainbow table better on nj or musashi at this point?

[whole salmon]

Table on Musashi seems better

Musashi has less base hit stat so she would benefit more from that

[wheat torrent]

okay thanks, i'll run all this and work on +13 slowly

maybe I'

[whole salmon]

If you don’t have it at +13 then just switch to alternatives

[wheat torrent]

maybe I'll hold off on +13 harbin gun till after I get ply gun first

[deft escarp]

How's dcp on NJ?

[whole salmon]

Manjuu on Nj feels like a necessity at this point with how paper NJ has become

[deft escarp]

Ah

[wheat torrent]

manju better on nj instead of ancho?

[deft escarp]

I thought I remember somewhere that white shell would be better

[wheat torrent]

what's the two auxes on juneua besides gyro?

[deft escarp]

@whole salmon Also, how are these equips on Juneau main tank?

[whole salmon]

Yes as of currently

Musashi shook the meta too much

[whole salmon]

Not anymore when Musashi can kill an NJ in 3 lightning strikes

I’m testing this setup on Juneau currently

[deft escarp]

[whole salmon]

The new collab item seems to serve as a better boiler

It gives HP and speed

[deft escarp]

I'm also thinking about experimenting with some pasta boats

[whole salmon]

Don’t bother with Pasta aside from Aquila

The days of Mafia is long gone

[deft escarp]

Something like Swordfish Aquila

With VV

[whole salmon]

Don’t bring that shit up again

We have already tested that too many times

[deft escarp]

Damn

[zenith lantern]

I still miss Swordfish + Seydlitz + Agir

[whole salmon]

Smh

Not that comp again

[zenith lantern]

Musashi killed the fun fleets as well as the good ones

[whole salmon]

It was funny for like a week

I saw another Amagi comp lmfao

[deft escarp]

That comp destroyed my vg lol

[zenith lantern]

Funny for longer than your triple invuln backline was

[whole salmon]

This comp is spreading

[deft escarp]

Amagi?

She's just there for the debuff and eva rate right?

[whole salmon]

That particular comp was just me messing around one day and decided to run Amagi Shinano Musashi

Then Ari came in and suggested Yukikaze instead of Juneau

We tested against it and came to a conclusion that it was bad

[deft escarp]

Zamn

[whole salmon]

But somehow it caught on and people started using it

[steel coral]

[deft escarp]

Maybe I should raise an alt on Sandy to test stuff

[steel coral]

Amagi is less defense than sodak but better at dealing with the vanguard

[whole salmon]

It was because MK keep telling me it was shit

If triple invul caught on back then, eos rush would be pain af

[zenith lantern]

It was a nightmare to test against too, too many invun procs to keep track of between the two fleets

[whole salmon]

Triple invul requires minimal set up but it is such a pain against veterans do to guaranteed stalling

No matter how good your fleet is, against triple invul, you are spending at least 45 seconds there

[deft escarp]

Btw, when both vanguards are dead, the game just buffs reload speed right?

[whole salmon]

But the invul time won’t change

While your ships still fire faster

[deft escarp]

Ah

[whole salmon]

That’s the painge of triple invul

It is guaranteed stalling

It wasn’t that good of a comp but it was a funny comp

[deft escarp]

Which means my Hiryuu will have increased reload while keeping the same amount of invul time?

[untold crater]

Yea

[zenith lantern]

Yes it's a big reason why she's so good right now. Musashi kills all vanguards so you get to that situation a lot

[merry vale]

Yep.

I can't use a meme off tank as freely anymore.

Watching Musashi 1 shot my off tank had me reevaluating my decision.

[storm ore]

Check that guy out people. Such strength at only level 80. Totally not a hacker

[floral wave]

youre becoming a meme in 3

2

1

[storm ore]

Wait what

[floral wave]

people made alts and got aotn with lvl 60something or 70

[storm ore]

How.

[floral wave]

or even very high end of season

[storm ore]

How is that even a thing

[floral wave]

being 1725 right now isnt a high score

[storm ore]

Especially this late in the season

[floral wave]

if i rushed to 0 i would be 1723

and i missed 5 exercises

[storm ore]

o_o

[floral wave]

you really dont need that good of a fleet

just need core stuff to be there

and then reset if needed

you can reset a fight endlessly until rng favors you

and attacker has damage advantage

[storm ore]

True but it means that he had to be super lucky with his opponent rerolls throughout the whole season

You're not wrong but I refuse to admit that such arrogant luck exists 😂

[floral wave]

doesnt have to be luck honestly

if he has musashi hes basically set

if he has musashi and shinano he can build rest of the fleet with permanenetly available stuff

and have it beat any other fleet

[storm ore]

But ge still has to beat all the META try hards

[floral wave]

thats not an issue

meta tryhards usually have weak fleets

[storm ore]

?

Wdym

[winged depot]

there's literally a guy who is level 73 who is consistently at top 50 in amagi

that kind of guy is no one new

[storm ore]

Wow

I was definitely not aware of that

Welp ty for the info people

I'm out 👋

[winged depot]

blame amagi server for having friendly defenses

[floral wave]

mafia considered friendly now

[winged depot]

I mean, once a guy got musashi he can go far

[floral wave]

wonder if NJ had similar impact

[neon bronze]

[neon bronze]

What's triple invul?

[winged depot]

can't relate since we don't have her

[floral wave]

hiryuu, seyd and something with manjuu i reckon

[winged depot]

this is what hacking looks like @storm ore and there's 5 of them

yikes

[storm ore]

Ok damn

That's a whole other level

[winged depot]

as you can see the players I know are at 6th and below

[storm ore]

Yeah I get it now

[deft escarp]

Tryhards are better off having weak defense fleets because the more people who beat them the higher the score gap becomes which lets them get +1 or +2 depending on the score gap so more points overall

[merry vale]

[trail temple]

I started eos at lv71 on washy

So, someone rushing to 1st at this stage, which is not late mind you, is within expectations

[pale niche]

Running Anchorage Ayanami (No Shima ) and Juneau for my pvp vanguard right now, I've seen some people put Juneau in protected. Should I put Juneau in protected?

[floral wave]

no

[winged depot]

that's fine already, I have trouble letting my juneau die

[floral wave]

just dont, it doesnt work

[neon bronze]

wysi

Got umbyotaku, that's why

[untold crater]

🧐 i see it

[neon bronze]

Now ima clean irl and hope I end around 30 mins b4 reset

+11 and +12 today pog

[dreamy lance]

格里芬moment

[untold crater]

Could be 2615 but

[dreamy lance]

Soon

[untold crater]

Turned into a baseball pro that set

To throw so hard

[trail temple]

OMG! Rank 7 is a hax0r!!!!!

[neon bronze]

Don't rly care about low-lvl (cmdr lvl 70-100) plebs reaching t100 at any point in the season myself

The way I see it. It's the accounts who leveled up their first and/or second fleets with ships that are coincidentally considered good at PvP to lvl 120

[winged depot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/948277339396124692.gif?size=64&quality=lossless

[neon bronze]

If that's possible, since at cmdr lvl >60 you're barred from certain campaign stages iirc.

Fogot what world was it, but it's possible

Can't do oilcap strat

For lvling ships

[untold crater]

You only need 6 ships to lvl 125

And not like that even matters, all stages give exp, as well as can grind in event stages

Can make argument for lv60+ req due to OpSi and gear lab for gears

[uncut agate]

Chapter 9 unlocks at lvl 65, for the oil cap

[neon bronze]

Yep doable

That's why i don't really think lvl 75~ players in PvP t100 are cheaters

they just got good at it with the ships they already leveled

[trail temple]

Is the dude running musashi?

Usually people of that level run their attack and def the same or use the default fleet

[stable dawn]

guys there's a hacer on woshengtorn

this noobasian guy

kinda sussy

[winged depot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/665062713076088848.gif?size=48&quality=lossless

[trail temple]

Hmmm

Fleet might have issues

Low fleet power so implies poor gearing

[floral wave]

or just not a fleet he runs for attack

[trail temple]

Unlikely, but a possibility nonetheless

My experience on all servers is that generally people, especially at that level, run the same def as their attack

[floral wave]

yeah that would be my guess too

but this fleet probably has issues winning

or maybe it doesnt

not that many people with musashi on def in amagi

[trail temple]

If it was higher fleet power, like in the 15k mark, I would have more confidence

[pseudo copper]

Gorrillaz guy is 🚮

Doesn't even look cute irl

[neon bronze]

Probably looks like Harambe

😔

[trail temple]

Harsh

[pseudo copper]

Obv you are a hacker too since level 106 and that high up

[pseudo copper]

Smh, obv a hacker, has NJ but only level 106

[trail temple]

[flat veldt]

Why you guys do the hekk?

[trail temple]

So much hacking these days, and here I thought the pvp tournament was gonna have more cheaters

Especially with $210 for the first place person

USD that is

[lusty hill]

@trail temple how is it possible that you're only level 101

I'm level 119 and I thought you're supposed to be more pro than me

[trail temple]

I keep my commander level low intentionally, but I have been pvping since early 2020

It's also no secret that I won the pvp competition

[neon bronze]

you did?

[lusty hill]

Is there any reason why?

So you just never farm or something

[neon bronze]

guy plays on 3+ servers

makes sense if what this guy gonna do is for pvp

only

[lusty hill]

Bruh...

[pseudo copper]

Levels =/= being good

Quyet biggest example

[dapper yew]

What level is quyet?

[pseudo copper]

Like 147 or 148 iirc

[neon bronze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQSK8Out3fE based on this cool (read: pepega) video they shared, it's 147

[worldly rock]

its best to put the 76 AA gun for shimakaze right?

[frigid hamlet]

staag for hit

[worldly rock]

the main gun one

[winged depot]

yep

[frigid hamlet]

the twin 76mm aa gun that costs 999 electronics

[worldly rock]

i only have 1 fleet thats strong enough to farm 5/6 in Opsi so i never have any materials for the good guns

[worldly rock]

one quick question, why is the 610mm Quintuple Torpedo Mount not used in high level play? its usually magnetic or the "tea launchers"

[neon bronze]

the german one? funny loading times (quint mag torp too slow)

plus with teatorp or tea launchers, as you say it can be focused on one specific unit if you're lucky. rainbow quint mag torp just goes all over the place and you'll be unlikely to hit a ship with all 5 torps

[worldly rock]

what about the rainbow japanese one?

same thing? funky loading times?

[neon bronze]

manual, very unlikely to hit every torp on one ship

even with black mag torp

[steel coral]

In the case of 610 vs quint mag,

the 610 not having homing makes it unlikely for the torps to hit and you have to sacrifice an aux slot to accomplish the same thing the quint mag does

[candid sluice]

its wide spread and non magnetic makes it hard to land torps

[thorn obsidian]

is there ever a time you would have juneau main tank, ancho off tank?

[dapper yew]

Maybe if you're going up against heavy preload

[neon bronze]

i'll be making a stall fleet sometime, gotta level up seydlitz rn

another +54?

[neon bronze]

@sterile tinsel can i do you a favor and ask u for rushing?

[sterile tinsel]

Mmm...Ask,but I'm not sure I can answer...

||I'm not fully rusher,cuz I try to wait until someone rush much forward than me||

[neon bronze]

get 1 +11 and 1 +12

nvm, don't think a +13 from you would be possible

what's your points rn? i'm at 1742

[sterile tinsel]

+13 i never met...

Only +12

[sterile tinsel]

Idk now...

I had 5 left before reset

[neon bronze]

+11 = 35 pts
+12 = 71 pts
+13 ~ 102(?) pts differemce

[sterile tinsel]

Hmm...

Probably,yes

I remember,when I beat some guy with 1000 rank difference in the end of the season granted me only +13...

But I'm not sure

Sorry

[neon bronze]

it's ok

deathkt told me the point difference for +13 is either 105 or 106

[sterile tinsel]

But for that you should to lost 1 battle

Or it's bagger

[neon bronze]

it should be possible if it's a bagger

but i already lost once and overcapped 2 exercises already

[floral wave]

if its a bagger that zeroes for you

[neon bronze]

in current season

[floral wave]

and a bagger with big score advantage

so 13 isnt really possible if you dont overcap

[neon bronze]

ah ty lstryk of amagi

[untold crater]

108

[sterile tinsel]

Mmm...

[neon bronze]

68 pt difference

Moar rushers.

want more rushers, surely they'll bust all of their attempts rn?

https://tenor.com/view/clueless-gif-24395495

[sterile tinsel]

Sometimes,1 or 2 left...

[worldly rock]

If I have only 1 gold AP shell should I put it on Vanguard or warspite?

[floral wave]

neither

just use eva/hit aux

or if you really want to use the shell, warspite

[dreamy lance]

difference is 108 for +13

[pastel jolt]

Heard people were talking about my AL account?

[steel coral]

no.

[trail temple]

@neon bronze FYI, you need 108 for a +13

[pastel jolt]

Btw guys. Is Flaccid hacker?

Level 75 already top 1

[steel coral]

Could say the same

[pastel jolt]

I’m 110 though. Not hacker

[trail temple]

I've been accused of hacking as a lv101

[floral wave]

dirty hackers, reported

[empty mesa]

I'll accuse in hacking anyone who can defeat a fleet with Enty.

[untold crater]

I saw enty do 77k earlier

[trail temple]

I saw you defeat an Enty @empty mesa, reported

[untold crater]

Out MVP a musashi

[pastel jolt]

Reported @untold crater

He’s hacker

[empty mesa]

Never in my life.

[untold crater]

I used her, not defeat

[pastel jolt]

Always holding exercise to last second he is hacker

How is his pvp so fast?

[untold crater]

I'm rusher

[trail temple]

[untold crater]

[pastel jolt]

I also report Kirito265. He always top at last minute, why he have better luck than me? I always +0

[trail temple]

Report Aldarn for getting 2600+ in a server where it's theoretically impossible

[pastel jolt]

I don’t have Lex account… How to report?

[trail temple]

belfast bot

[pastel jolt]

Thank you Noob Asian!

[neon bronze]

Amagi server's rushers are all stalling.

[untold crater]

Your list just bad

[neon bronze]

like everyone

t100

pretty sure they're holding on

[untold crater]

Yeah later season people move later

[neon bronze]

hmm makes sense

can't get a +12

i already posted my list up

[floral wave]

settle with multiple 11s instead

[neon bronze]

hmm

[trail temple]

You're getting pretty greedy expecting +12s at this stage. Only likely with either natural movement or you're severely behind

[pastel jolt]

Just take your +11

It is still early can roll second one

[neon bronze]

ok then

If my next list ain't moving around 2-4 hours by now I'll rush to 5/10 attempts

[pastel jolt]

[neon bronze]

Going outside for practice so I'm guaranteed to have at least 1h 30 min before the last replenish to wait for rushers that act

[floral wave]

are they even rushers anymore if they move just before reset

[empty mesa]

Anyone is rusher if they move before 2m.

[neon bronze]

Woops. Semi-sandbaggers.

As long as ai have the budget for costly PH data. Sadge

[pastel jolt]

So pro!

[candid sluice]

too many hakers on ladder smh

[uncut agate]

Ranger sensei

[pastel jolt]

NArd is hacker?

[neon bronze]

Would it be funny if a fleet with Ranger or some other common ship beat a top-tier PvP defense fleet

Hacker allegations with no basis 💢

[steel coral]

Realistically, only fleet she can beat is triple BB

Which is what kj was running (nj/sushi/van)

[neon bronze]

Damn

Had I waited I woulda got +12 from daniel

+51 is okay though

[sterile tinsel]

Heh

But I lost 1 point due to 3'rd place in top and 1 try remain...

[neon bronze]

So 1850

[sterile tinsel]

Only +9

[neon bronze]

Damn good bagger.

If +10

[sterile tinsel]

I dont have tries remain...

0/0

[neon bronze]

So you'll try to rush after last restock

[sterile tinsel]

Idk now

I rush only after first +5 after reset...And before going sleep

After 2 and 3 i use only 5

[rustic bridge]

Lv 60 back line

[deft escarp]

Would Tashgun suffice for Musashi aux

Don't have the Plygun

[vestal hearth]

do you have Harbin's gun or can you craft it? because it's the range you're looking for

vanguard is always tightly clustered together so you can use nepgun for piercing ammo in the case they get too near

[pale niche]

If you Final Counter with Hiryuu, then you heal her with something like Juneau or pearls tears, she doesn't sink after Final counter right?

[merry vale]

Correct.

[zenith lantern]

Even if you don't heal her she still won't sink when it ends

The hit that would kill her triggers final counter instead of doing damage so she'll have whatever HP she had before that hit

[untold crater]

^ this means if a hit did 100% of hiryuu's HP, she would proc FC and then when it's over she'd have 100% HP left

[neon bronze]

[untold crater]

[winged depot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/948277339396124692.gif?size=64&quality=lossless

[merry vale]

[neon bronze]

Weeb a bit outdated

Still a good fleet

[trail temple]

I can ask him to put a harder fleet if you'd like?

[neon bronze]

Already beat his Musashi - NJ - Hiryuu fleet

[pseudo copper]

@flat veldt people complaining your def fleet too ez

[neon bronze]

myself, i believe i posted a video here when Zirael asked

if I got walled

so close

[flat veldt]

Sorry I'm not toxic enough to put Enty in my def fleet

[trail temple]

Kaya is like Frieza, this isn't even his final form

[untold crater]

Kaya is Frieza without the za

[neon bronze]

[flat veldt]

Facts

https://youtu.be/WZeqjlfrI64

[neon bronze]

Huzzah! A decent mafia fleet

2 resets

I wonder how it'll perform with Anchorage

Oh no...

[floral wave]

seattle instead of ancho, not sure if you can call it decent

[candid sluice]

fighting a retired player

[trail temple]

That isn't a decent mafia fleet...

[floral wave]

i met a mafia i had to reset 2 times against today

at least i think it was full mafia, cant remember now

[trail temple]

In fact, that mafia fleet was like 1st generation mafia

[floral wave]

i already forgot how dumb can ducas torps be if you have proper gear

since almost everyone dropped duca

[neon bronze]

@normal root are u rushing

5/10?

hmm, yes that isn't proper Mafia

but damn that dmg to both my frontline and backline

i assume +13 gears... ouch.

[stable dawn]

you heard it here kids, mafia is better

[pseudo copper]

Aoste?

[neon bronze]

[trail temple]

Nah, that shouldn't be maxed geared either

[pseudo copper]

#justgitgud

[neon bronze]

Plz +12

[trail temple]

That's 61

[neon bronze]

Not enough

[trail temple]

Yes

[neon bronze]

Don't think he'll 4/10 for +9

I'll check back 30min later

[trail temple]

I wouldn't expect people to do that, especially when you aren't contending for eos aotn

[neon bronze]

Manjuu NJ, okay. Recording on the way

Nitro limit Sadge

[candid sluice]

just youtube and send link

[neon bronze]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/466250908682944522/1047686170764652645/Screen_Recording_20221201_092535_Azur_Lane_1.mp4

bad fleet score pepelaugh

[trail temple]

Attacker advantage does wonders

[untold crater]

How is it so low wtf

[neon bronze]

+10 gears

Don't have much gold plates

[trail temple]

OpSi time

[flat veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/clap-gif-18645665

[normal root]

👍

[neon bronze]

Good player

[merry vale]

[neon bronze]

[sterile tinsel]

1 try

[untold crater]

Pretty nice, although Duca in that fleet is quite bad

[sterile tinsel]

Yep.With Jesus this fleet much harder...

[trail temple]

Shima off tank

[valid oxide]

Am I allowed to ask about pvp fleet comp here, I don't have very good PvP comp I don't think

[candid sluice]

there are pvp comp lists in the pins

[neon bronze]

author shilling his own document

Yep, it's in the pins. SaltyArrow's PvP guide

[zenith tide]

[valid oxide]

My lack of most ships means I have to improvise a little, between amagi and sushi, who should be prioritised for flag?

[neon bronze]

Amagi

Hmm... Post your SR and UR ships in dock. Maybe you have some gems left unpolished.

[trail temple]

Makaga (Musashi, akagi, kaga) works

[cosmic marten]

noted

[trail temple]

Your vanguard options are a bit scant though

[neon bronze]

BACKLINE
Musashi - Amagi - Hiryuu for your backline then, for the meantime.

Musashi as flagship:
Musashi's barrage is the main source of her damage. You'll going to hit serious opponent vanguard and flagship pressure with that. She'll have a bit less survivability there

Hiryuu as Flagship:
Reason being is that Hiryuu's gonna eat more BB salvos when revealed by CVs, and the main source of Musashi's damage comes from her busted barrage. Which you can use to help snipe one of the opposing backline ships.

An alternative ship that's obtainable and can replace Amagi is Warspite Retrofit. Granny's still decent here, for sniping. Often assists in sniping one backline ship to Atlantis.

FRONTLINE
Ooo, this is really hard to come to.
For the meantime, go run tanky CAs and Yuudachi Retrofit as your frontline ships.

What you can do, is to farm for these following ships:

Anchorage. Permanent content, in PR4 season. Reason is that among all the CAs and even the CBs... she's just built different. Imagine being able to tank torpedos, airstrikes and shelling for a set amount of time while giving an EVA buff for the rest of your frontline, effectively giving them great survivability. That's how good she is.
Juneau. Permanent content from some stages. Ship Jesus. What makes her good is healing your fleet if she sinks, and it turns out some players want to outlast the other's fleet.
Noshiro. Permanent content, can currently obtain a permanent copy for 60 runs only once. Good ship, outputs decent torpedoes and damage through said torps. She also has some tankiness to tank enemy torps.

Future frontline should look like:
Anchorage - Noshiro - Juneau

NOTE: Future reruns of the events "Daedalian Hymn" and "Mirror Involution" give ships that are considered great for PvP. So save cubes for 'em, preferably 400 cubes for both events; and once you get 'em, raise 'em ASAP. Really good both in here and PvE, so it's not a wasted investment.
The ships in question are:

Daedalian Hymn: Aquila, Vittorio Veneto, Duca Degli Abruzzi
Mirror Involution: New Jersey

Now go... start dat grind.
Didn't put gears... about gears... there's a pinned comment that links to a Google Sheet document that lists the current meta fleets, as well as gears. Do visit that sometime

If you and others find something wrong here, feel free to correct.

[trail temple]

For the meantime, go run tanky CAs
No, do not use CAs unless it's Anchorage, period

[neon bronze]

tried my best

it's the frontline ships that are hard to deal with when pvp fleetbuilding

[trail temple]

Not trying to grill you, but you shouldn't use CAs

They're slow and have crappier pvp modifiers

[pseudo copper]

[winged depot]

noshiro is easy to get

[trail temple]

Juneau is available at any point, and he didn't show his elites or rares

[pseudo copper]

Idk, you sound toxic to me, that guy said when you talk like this you are toxic

[neon bronze]

🤣

it's okay though, i'm not that guy

[pseudo copper]

I am now

[neon bronze]

[valid oxide]

Il go get Juneau from map drops and start raising her in Collab stage, sound good?

[neon bronze]

It's okay. Though i doubt current event stages are as good as w9+

In terms of XP

[trail temple]

I'm as toxic as ground zero of Chernobyl

[pastel jolt]

Before I had Anchorage I used Juneau + Helena

[mighty tartan]

Guys how's my fleet

(hello)

[empty mesa]

Not enough KMS ships.

[mighty tartan]

i'd like to include august von parseval in the long run

and replace roon with heinrich

[untold crater]

Bad fleet

[neon bronze]

hey, they're probably a casual

besides, it's a defense fleet. no need to go full tryhard unless if you wanna stall ppl up

[lusty hill]

what's the best stall fleet? or the most annoying

[neon bronze]

your best attack fleet

tier 0

[lusty hill]

my vanguard kinda have handicap since I use ayanami

[neon bronze]

alternatively, 2 or more ships with invincibility

e.g. Manjuu on Eagle Union ship, Hiryuu's Final Counter, Seydlitz's Marvels of History (?, dunno which skill)

idk by it

but i'm sure the definition of "Stall Fleet"

is make people stall for time due to how annoying or hard the fleet is to beat

for example: any T0 fleet in the PvP guide

because they're stupidly strong to semi-casuals and casuals

[floral wave]

doesnt change the fact fleet is bad for pvp

[lusty hill]

is there any that super annoying for pro player? or is T0 the best?

[floral wave]

any t0 with proper +13 gears

[candid sluice]

invinc and giga heal with speedy vg

[neon bronze]

stall fleets in the "hard to beat" sense can wall rushers at the beginning/baggers near the next reset

rushers have all the time they need to beat it

[untold crater]

Best stall fleet

[neon bronze]

while baggers are either gated by it or take the L

[untold crater]

1:1 lv1 waifu

[neon bronze]

baggers have it worse

[floral wave]

only if they do their 5 in last 3 minutes

[candid sluice]

more annoying to wait out invinc

[untold crater]

Time gated stall is worse than harder fleets

[candid sluice]

literally

[untold crater]

I guess "Ideal" would be hard fleet with invul for stall, like hiryuu fleet

Rather than just pure stall fleet

[whole salmon]

We did this before Musashi came out and it was aids on defense

It’s not hard to beat but it is guaranteed stalling

I brought this up before

[whole salmon]

.

[neon bronze]

and i'm currently using that + musashi

[whole salmon]

It’s not hard to beat, it’s just aids

But it depends on frontline actually stalling for long enough

With the current Musashi meta then its effectiveness has decreased significantly

[quartz laurel]

Does +13ing planes increase their pvp dmg?

[whole salmon]

Yes

It boost coefficient which are hidden within the game’s user interface

But you can still see it on the wiki

It also boosts other stats as well

[quartz laurel]

o7 alrighty

Tyty

[whole salmon]

There’s a huge difference between +10 and +13 in practice

[quartz laurel]

I didn't know this I only saw the increased siren dmg

[whole salmon]

You don’t need to do all of it, just focus on the rainbows first

Then focus on the gold equips that are exclusive (like beaver, pearl, damage control) since you won’t be replacing those

Then do AA guns on all

And you should be good enough to be competitive

[quartz laurel]

📝

I'll go do that asap then

Tysm

[neon bronze]

i'm convinced that all i have to do in pvp is to

💳

[dapper yew]

💳 for what?

[candid sluice]

whale bonus

[neon bronze]

getting Aquila and NJ

after cockblocked by gacha

[sterile tinsel]

https://youtu.be/2XmXtH_5Jyo

I hope,link isn't broken..

[dapper yew]

Gacha can still cockblock after 💳 though

[neon bronze]

at least not for NJ

Aquila though...

[dapper yew]

Should've farmed harder for cubes/coins

[neon bronze]

the clutches

[sterile tinsel]

Only enemy,who full equipped for PVP,take lots of tries...

||On the first enemy I forgot to change HE on AP..||

[trail temple]

KMS team ft Kron

[floral wave]

full kms feat non kms

[valid oxide]

NP is practically just iced Kms anyway

[candid sluice]

fighting surcouf2b bruh

[neon bronze]

a +53 today

*this set

sleep time

[sterile tinsel]

Yep

And for me,they're much more,than good ally...

[floral wave]

amagi is practically shinano+musashi

[tame python]

[whole salmon]

There’s no need to get those 2 specifically when the chances of them getting powercreep before they get re run/archive is quite high

[merry vale]

I fear for the UR preload carrier that makes Aquila look like a childs toy.

[vestal raptor]

What is the stonkest defending fleet atm?

[floral wave]

same as stonkest attacking fleet

and these are listed in guide in pins

[vestal raptor]

Which is better for Sushi?

Twin 356 Kai or 410 Kai?

[merry vale]

I use 356 on mine for pvp.

The majority of her damage isn't linked to main gun damage anyways, so the speed is great.

So random NJ question. I know people really like manju NJ, but wouldn't Washing machine NJ with manju Anchorage cover more options?

I notice just how extra tanky beaver is making Musashi.

The evasion on NJ seems almost like a no brainer but I always see manju instead.

[deft escarp]

Might try it ngl

[merry vale]

I don't see any reason it should not be just as strong if not stronger.

100+ evasion on NJ sounds pretty strong given her base evasion is 40ish.

And Anchorage gets to keep holding the Frontline for you.

[vestal raptor]

Aight

Quad mag or trip mag on Ancho?

[merry vale]

This is what I use, I find magnetics are too slow. Others like triple mag on Anchorage.

[vestal raptor]

Aight

BiS Juneau loadout?

[merry vale]

Imo, boiler and anti torp bulge.

If not double boiler/gyro.

[vestal raptor]

Ah aight, was using boiler and torp bulge atm.

[merry vale]

Mines not perfect but it's an example.

[deft escarp]

I personally like triple 610mm on Anchorage against CVs

[sharp nova]

Where's the executioner

[merry vale]

https://i.imgur.com/dKrAoXl.png

The executioner is the Musashi or Shima on the other team.

[neon bronze]

Opinions on Musashi - Hiryuu - Warkai, and Musashi - preload CV - Warkai?

Okay for sniping? Don't have NJ

[merry vale]

Would work, Warspite with the right gun still hits like a truck. The issue is what kind of preload CV are you using, because percy is kinda coping.

I used to use her, but against Musashi NJ backline, she doesn't do nearly enough i find.

[trail temple]

Waryuu comps can work to a point, would it be great? Probably not

Especially since the old waryuu comp used nagato to boost Hiryuu's damage

[neon bronze]

Chise, don't have aquila

Abd Warkai w/ le 457?

[trail temple]

You most certainly want 457 on warkai

[merry vale]

Warkai with 457 will hit like a truck. Chise is still a pretty big cope.

[neon bronze]

[merry vale]

She will work, but she's winning participation awards.

[neon bronze]

Gah dammit. Looks like Aquila is the preload CV.

[uncut agate]

buy the 457 from prototype shop

[trail temple]

For now, yes

[neon bronze]

Already did

Bought most of thr prints. Prioritizing 2nd Tenrai then vack to PR2 for Azuma prints (cringe) + 2nd 457

[trail temple]

Pr3 isn't bad to do, the gun is okay, just not as impactful as the other URs, but you do get the sex bofors

[untold crater]

1-1 lv1 waifu

[trail temple]

It lures people into a false sense of security in that they'll hard bag and then they'll overcap on their next exercises

That's the theory at least

[neon bronze]

[floral wave]

pausechamp