I did not, but it appears @trail temple did. Pretty cool they pinned it.
#pvp
crimson bear
trail temple
Note that viable no way implies they're good. However, old meta backlines can be viable, the vanguard does need work though
copper dome
What vanguard ships are used 
neon bronze
What vanguard ships are used <:MutsukiHyperStare:588629678017871872> <:NagatoPin...
Yukikaze tank, Shimakaze mid, Juneau off-tank
looks like it to me
copper dome
Yukikaze tank, Shimakaze mid, Juneau off-tank
Ohh I see thanks 
neon bronze
can't go wrong with burst damage 
copper dome
That's gotta be pure luck how NJ got bursted down like that
neon bronze
raised my yukikaze to MLB and lvl 100 before Aldarn intervened
fucking waste of resources
oh well, anothergood pvp ship to have fun with
left wolf
what's wrong with yukikaze? she's still T1 when i read the guide everyone links to
left wolf
oh is it outdated?
floral wave
tiering individual ships makes little sense
empty mesa
Fleet tierlist from pinned spreadsheet should be up to date.
floral wave
the one in pins is newer and better
left wolf
candid sluice
is that the mk tierlist?? 
neon bronze
oh it's the outdated ALM pvp guide in slaimuda
trail temple
Going back to this, we took this spreadsheet and started updating it, the wording you quoted isn't wording that Salty or I would have used so if it was there, it'd have to be written by our predecessors
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12FkXNL1UZ7O0qIFuC1Nj9UEwzTY1UBE50m7iqWAvJXc/edit#gid=1189513747
Let me know if you find it
neon bronze
hmm
think i kind of figured it out
later though. playing anotehr game in the meantime
trail temple
looks like information's walled-off.
Found it in the old one
neon bronze
question, about that Gensui rush...
trail temple
(nvm)
neon bronze
since it starts on day 12, on day 11's third reset, could people reach AotN with 2200 points with rushing, provided they're at 2100~ and 10/10 attempts?
trail temple
Without bagging? No
neon bronze
But with? Yes?
trail temple
Yeah
trail temple
That's what a no bonus (and no minuses either) season would look like
So Saturday reset 1 is when you'll hit 2200+
lusty hill
Found it in the old one
why genshui rush starts at day 12
trail temple
why genshui rush starts at day 12
Because that's when people are able to hit AOTN
lusty hill
I thought rush starts at the very end
trail temple
There's two rush periods
untold crater
Gensui is rush for aotn
trail temple
One for aotn, and one for eos
untold crater
Not eos
trail temple
Last 10 minutes*
You don't do anything in the last hour, until the last few minutes
Well, you might if someone moves
But generally you're just waiting
lusty hill
at the last 10 minutes, should I have 10/10 or 5/10?
neon bronze
and is it in that period where stall fleets as defense work best?
warm crow
10/10 at 10 minutes is sweaty lmao
lusty hill
emptying 10 in 10 minuts feels like need a lots of luck lol
lusty hill
what's a stall fleet?
lusty hill
I don't remember any stalling in pokemon(?)
trail temple
You're lucky
warm crow
toxapex stall lul
trail temple
It's pretty self-explanatory
lusty hill
what's the example fleet 👀
trail temple
You're stalling someone for time, so you pick things that will suck up time
neon bronze
any good offense fleet is a good defense fleet
trail temple
But won't necessarily defeat them, but may cause them to overcap if they go over a reset period
candid sluice
final counter eva lords
trail temple
Just before, and after carrier stealth came in, was when you had stall fleets
lusty hill
btw there's going to be people screenshoting the end results right? or do I need to do that too if I managed to get top 10
trail temple
Envy will capture it
neon bronze
but there's no Amagi EoS records for the last 3 seasons
at least, posted by Envy
or am i not looking too much?
trail temple
He's probably captured it but hasn't uploaded it
neon bronze
pseudo copper
It's a while before upload yeah
candid sluice
he needs to remind himself to update it 
neon bronze
has he uploaded other server's eos pics?
neon bronze
yeah he hasn't
lusty hill
I was at 1500 vs 15 but I lost cuz their musashi fire 0.1s faster than mine 
I legit saw their musashi died but still I'm one who lost
winged depot
unlucky, I reset those kinds of things
trail temple
Same, too many close shaves in my early days
stoic moon
is 2609 +2 pace enough to eos?
winged depot
bub aotn eos?
that was my pace last season at the first week, so if you can keep it up then yeah
untold crater
is 2609 +2 pace enough to eos?
U chilling until week 2
stoic moon
prob going to lose a few to hard defense fleets
winged depot
only 2 guys I know have hard def fleets
making me go 3 - 4 minutes
Rosa Atra guy and Kirito
didn't get kirito though last season once
lusty hill
I was busy clearing event map and overcap and lost 2 tries, I lost 3 in total
I just want to be a ninja
candid sluice
if you believe hard enough u can be in the club
dapper yew
I was busy clearing event map and overcap and lost 2 tries, I lost 3 in total
I lost 3 too hahaha
Rip aotn 
dapper yew
Yeah I’ve given up this season now, just rushing with a good defence fleet and praying
merry vale
Rushing gets you aotn anyways. Just lower on eos.
candid sluice
its still week1 u can bag the points
neon bronze
at this point in the season, there's a mix of baggers and rushers right? saw one consistent t100er (umbyotaku) there at 959 while rushers are around 980-1010 in amagi at this moment
merry vale
Theres good reasons to do a mix of both.
zenith lantern
at this point in the season, there's a mix of baggers and rushers right? saw one...
Yes, the top pace baggers will be right in the middle of the rushers about now
neon bronze
i'm at 898 w/ 10/10 atm
flat veldt
merry vale
Rushing early gets you put with rushers, so you can farm some points by not being stranded with people that dont pvp at the bottom of the ladder.
neon bronze
doing it later though. currently answering practical exams online that effectively ends 3 hours before daily reset
neon bronze
<:z35wow:471465324924108811>
they're not equipped. don't have much gears for them
ez fleet though. gonna change to a stronger fleet on 2nd week
meanwhile I got a guy with that comp, swapped out unikai and yuukai for aquila and anchorage. didn't attempt after 2 tries, very annoying
merry vale
Manju Anchorage is one of my favorite things in pvp precisely because of how annoying it is.
dapper yew
I also love how 1 min in ancho can still be close to full health 
Anyway, given I missed 3 and rushed 10 after this recent reset, if I bag until the end of week 1 will I still be able to get aotn?
merry vale
I don't see why not.
neon bronze
lost onve, overcapped 2 attempts
trail temple
merry vale
dreamy lance
neon bronze
actually ima try to record it
nvm
warm crow
were you walled? 
neon bronze
were you walled? <:MakinaSmug:585585242174128170>
if Kaya used Aquila rather than Hiryuu, i'd be fucked
warm crow
yeah as long as shinano can launch a 2nd airstrike its pretty much a win with that comp
neon bronze
if Kaya used Aquila rather than Hiryuu, i'd be fucked
at least Meeb stood a chance against Musashi - NJ - Aquila compared to the other fleets I ran
it helps that I got my first Tenrai on hiryuu just before the battle
untold crater
empty mesa
merry vale
Musashi mafia hits pretty hard.
That was the first time i saw my frontline truly get vaporized.
still minnow
do the purple HMS auxes that were recently added do anything? one gives 3 luck and the other gives 5% evarate
how valuable is 3 luck or 5% evarate?
warm crow
does anyone here even use any hms ships?
still minnow
that's not what I'm asking lol
neon bronze
does anyone here even use any hms ships?
i use Vanguard at times, just in case some pesky 3 BB fleet shows up just in case
warm crow
the albion item only works on hms ships which arent widely used(?). anyway 5% eva rate isnt that much cause ancho smoke already gives 40% eva rate for the vanguard though it might be good if youre using hms backline ships
still minnow
the albion item only works on hms ships which arent widely used(?). anyway 5% ev...
on a ship that could take it, is it good? I recently saw that people were using feathers even though I thought 24 eva kinda sucked
or at least I thought it would be overpowered by every ship having like 200 acc and they would hit anyway
warm crow
yeah cause survivability is preferred cause of all the hard hitting ships in pvp right now
still minnow
how much evarate do you get per pt of luck?
merry vale
106 avi and 15 evasion is worth using.
still minnow
not enough to be worthwhile using an entire aux slot for 3 lck?
warm crow
its a separate term if you check the math on wiki. evasion rate is a direct reduction to enemy accuracy while evasion is affected by enemy hit
still minnow
afaik lck is a direct reduction to enemy accuracy like how evarate is
but I don't know how much reduction each point of lck gives
or if it's linear or what
warm crow
better ask in gph for those specific questions ig
floral wave
im using the 5% eva rate on vanguard, is it good? no fucking idea 
neon bronze
no fucking clue
gahh i haven't slept yet, it's 4:30 AM
nahh nvm i'll be rushing forthe moment. then sleep
2 +2s and 1 +1, or 3 +2s?
wait
what
neon bronze
2 +2s and 1 +1, or 3 +2s?
oh nvm it's due to the ranks.
ocean prairie
do you guys think that kala, with her augment, could become a new meta tank for PVP?
because of her 50% chance to cheat death
and also if shes paired with any other ryza characters, they get death evasion as well so long as her skill can activate 3 times
seems kinda situational, and RNG reliant for the timing, but could be a game changer
unless she just isnt bulky enough for it to matter
floral wave
no fights are so close that youd need a game changer
shes also not as good with tankiness as ancho
floral wave
well then theres no spot for her
winged depot
Can't really see her replacing someone
ocean prairie
She might be a good placeholder for those who dont have ancho yet
winged depot
ocean prairie
Might
floral wave
ocean prairie
Hard to tell yet
floral wave
not like ancho is hard to get
doesnt even need dev30
and isnt good only in pve
pvp*
so shes your goal anyways
winged depot
I would like to test it but then again its gonna take a long time to 120
ocean prairie
i wonder if ryza will have a place as well, with her high early damage
but shima probably outclasses her by a long shot
winged depot
Think even ayanami is better
when all the stars are aligned ayanami can one shot someone in the backline
haven't seen her one shot a musashi though
ocean prairie
ayanami the RNG god
floral wave
id still use harbin over ayanami
winged depot
yeah, now that I dev 30 harbin, I already switched
ocean prairie
remember when warkai was meta
floral wave
was used not that long ago
maybe not top tier meta, but worked really well paired with vang
ocean prairie
if QE gets a retro that makes her really good, maybe we could see warkai make a resurgence
ocean prairie
or maybe an augment for warkai
floral wave
actually
winged depot
Only time will tell if they get those
floral wave
maybe ill try warkai instead of uvh
winged depot
You don't run meeb?
winged depot
floral wave
well i do resort to meeb if i struggle
but havent struggled yet this season
had 50 wr against kiritos fleet, unless it was ungeared random stuff
winged depot
tbf amagi don't have that much hard fleets
floral wave
so not that bad considering im running dev29 ply
pseudo copper
Might
CA/CB suck in pvp overall, there are relatively easy to get alternatives that will work relatively early on, but Ancho easy to get anyways, dev15+ Ancho will work fine for a newbie
merry vale
Amagi has very few good defense fleets.
I've seen a couple here and there but thats it.
The rest are pretty undergeared or meme fleets.
pseudo copper
Amagi has none 
merry vale
pseudo copper
Even the best are still not that good
You can ask some of the baggers to put up one, but usually the best is subpar
trail temple
afaik lck is a direct reduction to enemy accuracy like how evarate is
Having a look at the formula, 3 luck is only a 0.003 change in accuracy, it's extremely marginal compared to other. evasion rate increases such as the Albion report aux will give you more benefit as far as evading shelling
trail temple
CA/CB suck in pvp overall, there are relatively easy to get alternatives that wi...
I would still tell a newbie to fleet tech grind for ancho
pseudo copper
I would still tell a newbie to fleet tech grind for ancho
Same here, since it really doesn't take long atm
trail temple
Nah, I have done it on my amagi alt
Especially with USS BBs that are in the gacha pull these days
Should help out
pseudo copper
Most of campaign drops are USS too
trail temple
Early collection grind for pvp stuff is mostly USS too
pseudo copper
I wonder what happened to that Enterprise?
Manjuu was jelly and took her away
merry vale
Even the best are still not that good
Someone on amagi sure Is trying. Although he still got mowed down.
pseudo copper
Someone on amagi sure Is trying. Although he still got mowed down.
Rosa comp isn't hard
merry vale
Yeah it was pretty easy.
rustic bridge
i see 90% 17k fleets
merry vale
I wish.
neon bronze
ahh this guy was so close to gettin the most annoying defense fleet
1 warpsite
pseudo copper
Warspite too op 
trail temple
Keep trying, you'll get there, eventually
rustic bridge
last attck what should i attack all stronger as me form fleet power
neon bronze
yep that's one of the only fleets i have beef with
there's at least another two: a USS CV fleet and a full preload CV fleet (Aquila, Chise, Percy)
intense frontline pressure because of New Jersey and Aquila, and Aquila being there ensures your CVs are spotted and targetable by Musashi and NJ
rustic bridge
10 from 10 lose
neon bronze
That team comp is why I run bulky Juneau now.
ooo, what's the gear you use on her now?
neon bronze
Anti-torp bulge. Noted
merry vale
neon bronze
Middle or off-tank?
rustic bridge
i think its time a junwau to farm
merry vale
Double boiler for speed was fine, but I need her living a little longer than she was.
neon bronze
the point of making juneau going a little farther is to keep your ships safe with that heal of hers?
merry vale
With beaver+ double boiler I found Juneau was just face tanking shima preload torps too frequently and dying way too early.
Beaver and 1 boiler still lets you out run NJ barrage.
But anti torp let's your Juneau not lose 80% of her hp off of preloads.
neon bronze
merry vale
Damage is insanely high from that comp. It just hits your Frontline too hard to run a fragile Juneau imo.
Assuming they are geared well enough.
neon bronze
ahh i want NJ and Aquila. sadge
at least I'm poised to have a safety net this time with my Lex alt.
still minnow
what's a beth log
merry vale
Aquila will be rerun soon ishTM and NJ should be the next UR rerun luckily.
I definitely think Musashi NJ Aquila is the apex predator of the meta. Meeb just handles it pretty well.
trail temple
Generally speaking, Musashi + attacker advantage handles most meta fleets pretty well
neon bronze
seems we derailed into off-topic
candid sluice
neon bronze
Aquila will be rerun soon ish**TM** and NJ should be the next UR rerun luckily.
we still have Belorossiya's event rerun before Aquila
but you're on point. just going to pray it's not back-to-back UR events
with CN/JP anni events and the NJ rerun
stoic moon
merry vale
neon bronze
I envy these fuckers. With these rainbow gears and ships I missed.
merry vale
Geared to the teeth.
neon bronze
Great, since i think that's a better fleet than Meeb rn.
trail temple
There are people that are geared to the teeth yet still lose to trivial fleets
stoic moon
not best gears tho
trail temple
neon bronze
Though a guildmate had that fleet, and he had his Aquila use rocket plane instead of Sea Hornet
merry vale
candid sluice
💀
dapper yew
Would shinano or NJ be better on bottom?
neon bronze
same
lusty hill
how many score difference to get +12
pseudo copper
71
steel coral
pve gear 
royal beacon
457 on Musashi 
stoic moon
yea i mean he says it gets wins so ig it doesnt matter but def not the best gear
untold crater
Bubhead more like nubhead
stoic moon
pookana
pseudo copper
merry vale
Yeah his fleet still slaps kinda hard even with the gear not being optimal.
It was legit harder than most fights I get on the ladder. I had to reset once because it killed shinano before her first drop.
I could see it beating most fleets.
dapper yew
Making your NJ harder to kill is a win.
Double wyverns so slow, sometimes random torps end up killing shinano before her first launch
merry vale
Whats your third plane?
dapper yew
Whats your third plane?
The fast one, I can't remember the name 
merry vale
Suisei? Or the upgraded 12a?
The gear lab one is faster, It won't save the world but it is faster.
dapper yew
Ahh nvm it was the 12a
merry vale
Rip, ah well at least you do have the best setup.
dapper yew
Idk why but the opposing shima always seems focused on shinano, bad rng I guess
merry vale
Yeah I think. Its really uncommon for me to lose my shinano before one launch.
The only other thing I can think of is maybe your Vanguard is slow, so they arent eating shima torps before they hit shinano.
dapper yew
Hmm my vanguard if ancho, shima, juneau with the shoe and beaver badge on NJ
merry vale
Beaver is good, are you running any speed aux on Juneau?
merry vale
I think it might just be bad rng then.
deft escarp
Making your NJ harder to kill is a win.
Bottom takes more dmg than top?
I thought that was just me
neon bronze
musashi or shinano on top? hiryuu is flagship
merry vale
I use top Musashi.
neon bronze
well... same
merry vale
The only thing that kills my Shinano before the first drop is preload carriers letting Musashi and NJ dog pile her.
dapper yew
Yeah I've run into a few aquila's and it hasn't been fun
warm crow
i try to keep shinano out of the same row as the BBs if I fight a preload+2BB defense. Though i'm not sure if BBs fire the nearest them (same row) or randomly if your entire backline is revealed
merry vale
I'm not 100% on it but I think warspite is the only position dependant targeting bb, I think it's random.
neon bronze
ye it seems to be random
merry vale
BBs also like to target the Vanguard a lot.
warm crow
neon bronze
in teh case of 3 BB fleets though. they dogpile on my sole Musashi nearly everytime
and hiryuu + shinano ain't enough
plus with opponent using 3 BB, they'll likely be able to win vanguard fight, increasing pressure on the CVs
merry vale
Yep. This is why manju Anchorage is mvp for a carrier setup.
Even if manju NJ works really well.
Triple BB really need to break your Vanguard asap.
neon bronze
ngl i don't get why ppl put EUEDC (or Manjuu, as you guys call it) on New Jersey when it ain't guaranteed
too biased to manjuu ancho it seems
merry vale
Its scary to be at the end of the fight with a NJ still not dead ready to fire at your last backline.
neon bronze
i was lucky on that recent vid, thought my Musashi would've died when NJ was dying of burns
merry vale
Its tilting losing in the final few seconds because NJ lives long enough to fire off 1 more barrage.
neon bronze
in terms of RLD, NJ > Musashi.
so makes sense, if Musashi ccan't finish her off in 2 salvos, she'll probably die; discounting her 15s barrage
merry vale
And thats why you run blue gun Musashi.
merry vale
With blue, my Musashi gets off 2 barrages shortly after shinano and hiryuu drop their planes.
I use blue+ the gamer table.
Its silly. But fights that actually matter, 4 seconds faster on the third barrage might just win you the match.
neon bronze
hey is 356 musashi faster than 457 NJ?
warm crow
i noticed most ancho defenses i've encountered have their smokes lined up with musashi barrage when i use 410kai instead of 356
neon bronze
hmm, what torps they using? probably the purple mag torp, by the looks of it. maybe
merry vale
hey is 356 musashi faster than 457 NJ?
Unless NJ is 2 full seconds faster it should work out in Musashi's favor.
warm crow
not sure, probably the purple triple mags
neon bronze
so in effect, if i use 356 musashi, ppl can smoke opponent ancho and nj?
neon bronze
where daheck do you even get that gun
356? gear lab, japanese bb
457? pr2 + prtocore
azure swan
ah icic thx
merry vale
Yeah its in gear lab, under ijn.
You may need to open ijn boxes for the base blue gun.
neon bronze
should be pretty easy to obtain materials and craft it
merry vale
I prefer blue torps on Anchorage though.
The non magnetic purples are also pretty cool.
warm crow
yeah, looks like purple triple mags line up with 410kai musashi's salvo
merry vale
Tbh I havent noticed any damage decrease on musashi with the blue gun. But I do really notice the speed.
Blue gun only decreases main gun damage iirc. So her barrage stays largely unaffected.
And I guess the FP difference.
neon bronze
Tbh I havent noticed any damage decrease on musashi with the blue gun. But I do ...
^ realization
well at least musashi's barrages deal most of the damage right
warm crow
the fp diff between purple and blue is almost negligible since musashi has almost 500
merry vale
It just has aim bot as a ready to go feature.
merry vale
Yeah.
neon bronze
hmmm... musashi with foxes
warm crow
would d25 harbin be better/more consistent than ayanami?
merry vale
Ehh, they both do different jobs.
Aya competes with Shima, Harbin competes with Juneau in some setups.
Harbin is a pretty cool off tank. But she doesnt just blow away people like Aya can with her augment.
merry vale
We're not too far off in points.
If you got at least 10 points per fight you beat me by 4.
dapper yew
Are you both on the same server? 
neon bronze
Avrora built different I guess <:PortDoll:585585241142591535>
how much score and attempts you have rn
dapper yew
how much score and attempts you have rn
I have 10 but I'm trying to bag a little to make up for 3 attempts I lost
Current score 1096
neon bronze
Current score 1096
dapper yew
Ooo cool bot, what's the -1 through +2 mean?
neon bronze
t100 doable
neon bronze
Ooo cool bot, what's the -1 through +2 mean?
+0 = 10 points gained per win
-1 = 9 points gained per win
+2 = 12 points gained per win
floral wave
no
neon bronze
how to get +1, 2?
refer to the pins, there must be a score differnce to gain an extra point
floral wave
+2 is +2 per 5 fights set
neon bronze
floral wave
youll never be able to +10 the set
and that would be needed if you read it as +2 every fight
+10 the set later on in the season
+2 means if you'll get 2 bonus points every set you'll be at 2552 points at the end of the season
dapper yew
Ahh so +55 or +60 per reset?
floral wave
you passed the 1050 line so base is 10 for a win
so in order to get 2552 at the end you need to get 52 per reset, yeah
dapper yew
Ok so I only need to bag enough to get a +12 or 2 +11? Or is it rng at this point
floral wave
to get a +2 now you need someone with over 70 points difference
neon bronze
Ok so I only need to bag enough to get a +12 or 2 +11? Or is it rng at this poin...
score difference
goes both ways
floral wave
which will happen only if they do more than 5 fights
dapper yew
https://discord.com/channels/456397991847395339/516951413411020819/9786755174463...
ooo tyvm
I might be out of luck for this reset then, no one's rushing
neon bronze
I might be out of luck for this reset then, no one's rushing
most people usually move before and after a reset
dapper yew
So 12h to cope for a +12
neon bronze
can 2 +11s rsult in a set of +52
dapper yew
floral wave
for a +2 in single fight at this point youll need someone to go close to top10 probably
so youll be able to easily check if theyre +2
dapper yew
Oh it's score diff not position diff
floral wave
rank is used to predict whether theyre a bonus, thats it
bonus is calculated only based on points diff
neon bronze
alternatively the ladder gives away the exact points the t100 players have
so you can calculate your points compared to theirs
and to see if it's a +10 to 12
btw @dapper yew since you're in the ALM server, it has the bot i've been using to calculate these EoS scores
the command is
;pace [your available attempts] [your current score]
example: ;pace 4 1190
neon bronze
lukewarm take: Musashi - NJ - Aquila should be tier 0, above Meeb
untold crater
Obviously
neon bronze
my wr with Meeb is less than 50%
neon bronze
gear
neon bronze
no wnt yet
floral wave
thats quite a big issue for meeb
neon bronze
hmm... hiryuu wnt is that impactful for meeb?
floral wave
for any fleet currently honestly
gives you more time
and time is what shinano needs
frontline could use better aa aswell
neon bronze
hmm
floral wave
but thats a minor issue
neon bronze
done with w13 so might as well relocate sexybofors to them
steel coral
lukewarm take: Musashi - NJ - Aquila should be tier 0, above Meeb
of the musashi teams, the aquila one has been my easiest matchup
neon bronze
really? it's the opposite for me
steel coral
probably just gear dif
neon bronze
true
neon bronze
juneau mid is also not a good idea
hmm, juneau off-tank? does that help win in the vanguard fight
dapper yew
I assume it’s so she dies first consistently and you get the full benefit of the heal for everyone
trail temple
lukewarm take: Musashi - NJ - Aquila should be tier 0, above Meeb
tiering is just placeholders for now
Comparing data sets and then will make the official list
I am also doing it by myself (as in inputting the data and reformatting) so it will take time
merry vale
hmm, juneau off-tank? does that help win in the vanguard fight
Off tank for sure.
She'll be eating Shima torps and tons of collateral instead of your own Shima.
whole salmon
fickle echo
Skill issue
https://youtu.be/ZPCxNiBIP0A
lusty hill
what's that gun that shoots from behind
warm crow
any gun that has 360 angle. mostly DD guns
vestal hearth
beth log spotted
neon bronze
beth log spotted<:AkashiHide:588629670430507028>
am curently at 1223 pts, 0/10. feel free to snag a +1
vestal hearth
oh, didn't check the current standings
neon bronze
yo @merry vale are you at 0/10?
neon bronze
i want a third wyvern.
rustic bridge
why muss a low guy a enty have
buoyant parrot
out of all these event aux which one has its uses in PvP?
nvm I ask, was told only good for the ryza event ships 
untold crater
lusty hill
<:JeanDead:611004145658494977> why muss a low guy a enty have
Attack the one with nagato profile you should win
trail temple
Attack the one with nagato profile you should win
He'll somehow lose. We have it all wrong, PvP is about getting the lowest rank possible every season
Saltybelfast is only showing a fraction of his power
deft escarp
Choncern
merry vale
neon bronze
today i'll be learning firsthand why T0 fleets are T0 fleets
4 - 5 matchup after 1st CV airstrikes, Shinano got sniped early, opponent Hiryuu proc'd Final Counter. both side's Juneau on their way to Atlantis
2nd CV airstrikes, frontlines getting that one-way ticket to Atlantis, my Hiryuu proc'd Final Counter just before airstrike
3 resets, changed white shell on Musashi to Beaver and Ancho's Beaver for washingmachine
Ngl i thought i lost
neon bronze
Oh I forgot, Manjuu NJ.
NJ was dedge before 2nd CV airstrikes, but managed to snag salvos before sinking
Hmm. Are +12s common once you keep 10/10 attempts and bagging? I think that, and imo it's also easy getting an +11 after that.
merry vale
Yeah if you're bagging and have 10/10 you'll see people moving higher more often.
Once you're at the top of the ladder, the point difference gets harder to achieve.
I'm 0/10 and even when I thought I had the proper spread for +11 I keep getting 10s.
lusty hill
any of the ryza ships gonna be the new meta?
I heard ryza is super good at the first 30s
merry vale
I can't see them replacing anyone meta currently.
Unless her first 30 seconds are good enough to compete with Shimakaze I cant see her muscling her way too hard into pvp.
That being said. Rikka was also pretty decent in pvp but not shattering the meta either.
lusty hill
what about as offtank?
merry vale
Shes competing with a really hefty heal. She'd have to bring something pretty amazing to the table.
Might work in replacement of Harbin, where your team is trying to kill really early.
But that depends on how good her first 30 seconds are before she becomes a liability like Percy.
floral wave
but harbin with teatorps does amazing job at killing stuff early
has smoke on top of that, too
merry vale
Yeah that too.
Its pretty hard to compete with Shima Juneau Anchorage or Harbin for their Jobs in the Vanguard.
They are the best at what they do by a pretty large margin.
neon bronze
ayanami w/ augment users on copium
do think the next UR would be good to some extent
but alas. nothing's concrete until released and proven
coral wren
That being said. Rikka was also pretty decent in pvp but not shattering the meta...
So any of the Atelier collab ships aren't useful for pvp?
merry vale
So any of the Atelier collab ships aren't useful for pvp?
Doesnt look like it so far.
Depending on Ryza's damage she might be useful as a Shima cope.
coral wren
Maybe but not this time, not many have got Ryza and tested her
neon bronze
i doubt ryza will be meta as one of the ships of all time
worldly rock
How far along do you think this fleet comp will get me? The main theory behind it is taking the insane speed and Eva of Shima and terrible to stall out until the Torps reload + the main fleet fires, (would have shinano but missed the event and don't have a better replacement) with suzutsuki there to add to the evasion stats as well as providing constant damage when Torps are off cooldown (same with terrible)
untold crater
Not far at all
neon bronze
How far along do you think this fleet comp will get me? The main theory behind i...
post dock
maybe there's gems in there worth using
worldly rock
neon bronze
Ok, just came back from snacking.
At your account stage, it seems you don't have much to level. However, there are ships that you can raise that are good for PvP comps.
You'll be likely to see Anchorage in many fleets, so get and raise her ASAP. Her utility is damn unmatched there, imagine 0 dmg and evasion for the other frontliners.
Given the investment, you can field 3 decent fleets based on these backlines:
Vanguard - Warspite Retrofit - Perseus/Hiryuu (situational, use Perseus because her preload can deal good damage plus reveal the backline CV/s, if any; while Hiryuu is a decent CV with a great "comeback" skill, which is Final Counter)
Nagato - Akagi - Kaga
Nagato - Amagi - Hiryuu
For frontliners, raise these ships:
Yukikaze, Juneau (even if she's not on your dock, she's pretty easy to obtain), Noshiro (from War Archive)
So your best frontline looks like this, lacking Ancho:
Yukikaze - Shimakaze - Juneau/Noshiro (also situational, Noshiro if you want more burst w/ torps, and Juneau if you want your fleet to stay alive for longer)
NOTE: Future reruns of the events "Daedalian Hymn" and "Mirror Involution" give ships that are considered great for PvP. So save cubes for 'em, preferably 400 cubes for both events; and once you get 'em, raise 'em ASAP. Really good both in here and PvE, so it's not a wasted investment.
The ships in question are:
Daedalian Hymn: Aquila, Vittorio Veneto, Duca Degli Abruzzi
Mirror Involution: New Jersey
Now go... start dat grind.
Didn't put gears... about gears... there's a pinned comment that links to a Google Sheet document that lists the current meta fleets, as well as gears. Do visit that sometime
If you and others find something wrong here, feel free to correct.
Can't get that fucking +11 Sadge
worldly rock
👍 Thank you so much for the tips!
dapper yew
Would suzu be better than yuki as main tank?
neon bronze
👍 Thank you so much for the tips!
welcome. enjoy the pvp experience
neon bronze
Would suzu be better than yuki as main tank?
if she was, then why have i not seen her in saltyarrow's pvp guide?
serious: Yukikaze and Suzutsuki's respective skills
hmm. suzu's smokescreen after 15s would've been great if it weren't for the cringe RNG
worldly rock
in my limited experience with pvp i find that suzutsuki's s2 is just too unreliable to work well in games that go the distance
i mainly use it to avoid the burst damage in the first 10 seconds of the match
and even then it doesnt work all of the time
neon bronze
meanwhile, yukikaze with the same cringe RNG with a bit higher proc chance help her survive some serious shit
worldly rock
plus you can get suzu procs when you dont want them, while yuki always helps at least herself when it procs
still she's really fun when it works
dapper yew
I remember using yuki a few years ago but powercreep I guess
neon bronze
true that
but consistency has been the meta today. gone are the days where Enterprise 1v1 was the thing
worldly rock
hiryuu will atleast hold the honour of never being able to be powercrept
neon bronze
and all the great fleets you see and fight today are all mostly consistent
dapper yew
and all the great fleets you see and fight today are all mostly consistent
Other than torp rng but yeah
neon bronze
oh yeah... the Auto AI kinda cringe but we've since accepted that
merry vale
Ah yeah, the 50/50 do you get your frontline blown a few holes, or does shima nuke your backline.
dapper yew
Or does shima in mid somehow die before juneau
uncut parcel
do i need anchorage on fs5 or dev 30 is fine?
merry vale
Or does juneau eat every single torp and die without healing anyone.
Dev 30 is plenty.
Her fs5 is kind of a meme.
uncut parcel
alr
neon bronze
do i need anchorage on fs5 or dev 30 is fine?
Dev25+ is fine for her
merry vale
Her smokescreen is the true mvp anyways.
uncut parcel
i should be able to build my comp now
neon bronze
the old PvP meta can still hold on thanks to anchorag
anchrage the goat
why am i misspelling anchoragw
merry vale
Twice
worldly rock
is formidable any good in the pvp meta, sure her reload and aviation aren't the strongest but the skill to reduce the speed to 0 must be useful right?
neon bronze
ye... No. Sure, slows are funny. But it's with cringe RNG, so she's cringe
worldly rock
ah, so 80% is still too low on something like that
neon bronze
Serious: Slow is an ehh gimmick, ppl usually want the skills that are guaranteed will make the fleet survive longer (e.g. Anchorage) or skills that burst down the opponents faster (e.g. New Jersey's barrages, Shimakaze's TRP bonuses and torps, Perseus' preloads)
a Hiryuu with 1 HP can launch the same airstrike as a full HP Hiryuu can. Slow does not prevent that
worldly rock
okay so it just doesn't do enough to justify using her over someone like Perseus
good to know
neon bronze
merry vale
Percy suffers from being really good and bad at the same time.
She's great on a sniper fleet, but that 90% reload kills her.
Hiryuu is to guarentee your flagship doesn't get nuked off the face of the earth off preloads and early game insanity.
worldly rock
yeah, won a decent amount of games because of her directly
neon bronze
that's why i ran vanguard - warkai - chise/hiryuu before
copium on not getting both NJ and Aquila
merry vale
I used to run Riche Percy Warspite and it worked well enough.
And then everything changed when the fire nation musashi attacked.
neon bronze
ye musashi tilted vittorio veneto off mafia
merry vale
She ramped up the vanguard damage so high i had to stop using yuudachi.
Before that point i never needed to care.
uncut parcel
anything i should change in this set? i lack shinano gear
merry vale
You could run the blue gun on musashi to get better timings with NJ.
dapper yew
Why use mic?
neon bronze
anything i should change in this set? i lack shinano gear
Wyvern> Breguet > Barracuda > everything else for TBs
Angel's Feather instead of Mic
uncut parcel
i have no angel's feather
neon bronze
oh lord... run a Helldiver instead of the Suisei 12a
only use the suisei 12a if you want to field double wyvern (which i don't think you have)
uncut parcel
alright
neon bronze
and oh, if survivablity issue, can run rudder instead of either the shells on ur BBs or the other aux slot on CVs that ain't avgas
uncut parcel
👍
worldly rock
anything i should change in this set? i lack shinano gear
what website is this?
merry vale
uncut parcel
for the augments just the usual ones right?
worldly rock
thank you
merry vale
Your NJ and Musashi both fight to get their shots off at the same time.
Slowing them down, iirc.
dapper yew
for the augments just the usual ones right?
eva ones for backline
pseudo copper
eva ones for backline
Which are the usual ones
dapper yew
Which are the usual ones <:SleepNano:785407850108289024>
I never said they weren't 
steel coral
Juneau > Duca
storm ore
Oh really ?
steel coral
steel coral
storm ore
So Musashi's damage comes mainly from her skill barrage and not her main gun ?
Interesting
Anyways thank you
trail temple
From the spreadsheet, Harbin and Juneau are probably the best options atm
Mainfleet equips are updated in a separate tab
Vanguard equips are semi there
zenith lantern
From my testing Harbin or Duca gets better results than Juneau if you’re running Aquila and not running WNT. Otherwise Juneau is better. But I don’t recommend Aquila or not using WNT. Musashi killed Aquila fleets.
storm ore
Uhm mind if I ask what WNT is ?
zenith lantern
Washington Naval Treaty aux
uncut agate
yes, check the tierlist in the pins
storm ore
Damn... I wish I was lucky enough to get Shinano
neon bronze
From my testing Harbin or Duca gets better results than Juneau if you’re running...
So... My Meeb struggling against Musashi - NJ - Aquila is an indication of skill issue?
zenith lantern
3BB is good too but a bit inconsistent
zenith lantern
So... My Meeb struggling against Musashi - NJ - Aquila is an indication of skill...
Or a gear issue
neon bronze
I did send my gears here, got suggestions like WNT on Hiryuu and make Juneau off-tank.
zenith lantern
Meeb needs +13 Aircraft or the airstrike doesn’t oneshot. Leaving backline even on a sliver of health means you probably lose
steel coral
3BB is good too but a bit inconsistent
using 3BB is rough if you can't reliably win vanguard fight
neon bronze
Meeb needs +13 Aircraft or the airstrike doesn’t oneshot. Leaving backline even ...
Wait, +13 gears also affect PvP? Thought it affected only OpSi stuff.
zenith lantern
Yeah Musashi can kill any vanguard so you’ll lose the vanguard fight sometimes
uncut agate
this is my 3rd season that I'm using triple BB on attack 
zenith lantern
Yes they affect PvP
neon bronze
Yeah Musashi can kill any vanguard so you’ll lose the vanguard fight sometimes
opponent musashi usually beats my vang
zenith lantern
They affect non opsi pve too
neon bronze
Damn. Shit i only have 3 digit gold plane plates
zenith lantern
+13 gear is +18% dmg over +10 iirc
neon bronze
For starters, do I +13 my Shinano's Wyvern? Currebtly running Breguet - Helldiver - Wyvern on her
zenith lantern
opponent musashi usually beats my vang
Meeb expects to lose the vanguard fight. It’s only purpose is to stall for the airstrike to win.
zenith lantern
For starters, do I +13 my Shinano's Wyvern? Currebtly running Breguet - Helldive...
Wyverns first then Tenrais
neon bronze
Meeb expects to lose the vanguard fight. It’s only purpose is to stall for the a...
So it's ok for vanguard to lose, as long as the CVs launch their airstrikes?
zenith lantern
Yes, Meeb will almost always lose vanguard fight, it has only 1 BB supporting while other fleets have 2 or 3
neon bronze
so that's partially the reason why I risk losing against Musashi - NJ - Aquila fleets
Other variants of Musashi fleets are fine to deal with in 1-3 retries.
But that... I fear
zenith lantern
Yes it’s just gear. If you have proper gear Meeb is one of the most consistent fleets
zenith lantern
Good luck
neon bronze
wanna try Mafia, even if it's outdated and powercrept
fucking fleets destroy my mood back before musashi dropped
rustic bridge
Attack the one with nagato profile you should win
he has a enty on back line
its usless more as 1 or 2 wins make i never
lusty hill
wha...
neon bronze
mfw our strongest gamer loses to a lvl 85 acount
this Wolfyy person.... we should give him our respect
dapper yew
deft escarp
still minnow
is google testing their new azur lane discord user AI on the saltybelfast account
dapper yew
Usually AI learns so probably not
neon bronze
What score u have rn
merry vale
merry vale
I lazy sandbag most seasons. I just rush when I feel like sitting at the top of the ladder for fun.
I kept a strong defense fleet week 1 this time.
neon bronze
Meeb defense?
merry vale
neon bronze
merry vale
I might finally throw a beaver on my Musashi.
Alright I did. Beaver Musashi and washing machine Anchorage.
40+64 evasion on Musashi now.
merry vale
I dont immediately notice a damage drop off either.
That's how you know she's fair and balanced.
Switch out a white shell for a beaver and not really notice much damage lost.
untold crater
trail temple
55 fp gives you about 300 extra damage (roughly speaking). You'll get more value increasing her other stats
merry vale
I'm a believer now, I just watched her tank something nobody has business tanking.
She ate NJs full barrage, 3 BB focus fire and didnt even end up dying that match.
idle ledge
I don't remember the last time I changed anything besides adding the augs, has anything changed or it's still the meta fleet?
merry vale
VV got replaced by Musashi.
neon bronze
Powercrept by Musashi fleets.
merry vale
And Juneau would work better than duca now.
neon bronze
Replace VV with Musashi and Duca with Juneau and you'll instantly get a top-tier fleet
idle ledge
Musashi same gear?
merry vale
Similar.
neon bronze
Since there is a New Jersey there with near-BiS gears, use the 356mm IJN gun from Gear Lab.
On Musashi
idle ledge
kk, thanks
neon bronze
Btw most of Musashi's dmg agaunst opponent ships is in her barrage. A barrage you'll need to exploit with Japanese Main Guns.
idle ledge
yeah, sure
neon bronze
And the 410kai in here is great, provided that you are not using NJ or other BB really bcs of absolute cooldown
neon bronze
May God bless these rushers. And us baggers, too
idle ledge
why not
candid sluice
Better on bb secondary
idle ledge
oh right, fp
merry vale
I use the boiler for hp and speed.
You might want to use the pearl on Shima and give Juneau an anti torp bulge.
Your Shima is fragile for how much damage is pumped out.
idle ledge
But then the whole torp setup doesn't really make sense, right? Just run the rainbow torp?
So ig just run this for now and see if shima dies too early
neon bronze
hmm, i do Musashi w/ HSFCR/AFCR and Beaver
Shimakaze with black torp and Pearl
Anchorage with Rudder and Manjuu
Shima running pearl will also give utility in the form of healing. Even if for a bit
Otherwise... you're good.
steel coral
DD guns have higher dps than CL guns
neon bronze
Nvm fuck you, amagi player. One more cringe Musashi - NJ - Aquila user
steel coral
so it would be better to have a DD gun on juneau instead
neon bronze
Would a Cheshire gun be better than Blucher's gun on Anchorage?
trail temple
So ig just run this for now and see if shima dies too early
You're missing pearl
velvet tapir
why the ur iron blood torpedo is the hurthest torp
untold crater
So ig just run this for now and see if shima dies too early
Pearl over boiler on Juneau
untold crater
Personally use it on Juneau since her retro
neon bronze
plus there's an alternative source of healing incase juneau's own heal goes to waste i.e. juneau dying when your backline is at full health before CV airstrikes
merry vale
Boiler also helps escape NJs barrage when she targets the Frontline.
I like the speed enough not to pearl Juneau.
sterile tinsel
Too many metaslaves here...
neon bronze
Who could pvp with their waifu and win nearly everytime?
merry vale
untold crater
Daniel from amagi
untold crater
Who could pvp with their waifu and win nearly everytime?
Anyone
sterile tinsel
I got admiral of the navy multiple times with KMS fleet only
neon bronze
Daniel from amagi <:WarZoom:771757087092244511>
Is he good, or another member of unultra guild
untold crater
Is he good, or another member of unultra guild
Doesn't EoS but sometimes rushes to first
sterile tinsel
neon bronze
the top is built on the back of rushers
sterile tinsel
If I got guy with fully pvp gear,I need to spent multiple tries to defeat him...
Otherwise,1-3 try
neon bronze
trail temple
That second image your full KMS fleet?
trail temple
sterile tinsel
winged depot
More like since its amagi server, its pretty easy to get aotn anyways
untold crater
More like since its amagi server, its pretty easy to get aotn anyways <:ShiSleep...
More like since it's aotn it's pretty easy to get
merry vale
trail temple
aotn is unironically easy, just takes some adjustment for some
Eos aotn is another matter
winged depot
Started getting aotn when I got vanguard, started bagging when I got musashi 
Harsh life when you started on a non UR event
deft escarp
Namagiryuu
neon bronze
All baggers?
dapper yew
Or just lazy
neon bronze
Faust Wither a bagger, dunno
untold crater
Possibly Faust
neon bronze
Rusher spotted
sterile tinsel
Yup)
winged depot
Don't need to tell them
winged depot
Yes, sleep is better
sterile tinsel
But before 10:00,I use only 5
Today,I helped my friend with raising his rank
candid sluice
Kms fleet capable of getting aotn
sterile tinsel
Kms fleet capable of getting aotn <:z35wow:471465324924108811>
Ja!
candid sluice
That’s crazy
winged depot
Coll*sion
merry vale
The struggle is real.
winged depot
Ah, faust is not zeroing I think. Got him yesterday
neon bronze
Don't have a chargrr nearby
winged depot
Didn't move
merry vale
This is why you guys need to just find me. I'm more than happy to rush.
sterile tinsel
U,guys,all from Amagi?
merry vale
winged depot
Amagae
merry vale
I sure am.
untold crater
neon bronze
neon bronze
+54 is kinda good though.
warm crow
@untold crater are you done climbing this set? 
neon bronze
Bravo 6, going dark. They rushers i think
sterile tinsel
Xbow is pretty good in pvp...Against preloaders mostly
sterile tinsel
Yep
untold crater
<@236203936355188738> are you done climbing this set? <:BuckyPride:6661114417863...
I'm 5/10 now
winged depot
Nutty first week yukana
sterile tinsel
Put it on Leipzig. vanguard become much more durable...
untold crater
its low af
winged depot
Now if only you won't overcap
untold crater
Nutty first week yukana
literally was -15 on nomico lol
winged depot
So... you already overcapped?
untold crater
No i just don't play early season
stoic moon
imagine playing the game
thorn obsidian
Would this be a meta fleet I assume
merry vale
Yeah and that team actually looks pretty geared.
thorn obsidian
Yeah they kill me so quickly
merry vale
Cake walk.
unreal leaf
can somebody explain why my cvls are better than warspite in pvp
unicorn, independance and musashi wrecks everything better than musashi + any bb
also uni and indep. work better than shinano, enterprise
my usual pvp dmg distribution
floral wave
dmg distribution doesnt matter
unreal leaf
but i still win rather fast
floral wave
IF you win, yeah
unreal leaf
the only disadvantage in this setup is that musashi is more focused
but then cvls destroy everything
warpsite just feels meh
also is it better to change some of it
for t3 hydraulic steering?
floral wave
all depends on who youre fighting against
manjuu and kicks/washing machine/torp bulge yeah
and slap beaver on musashi
unreal leaf
hmmm?
floral wave
hm?
unreal leaf
setting gear on pvp screen would be a bless
floral wave
change gun, change both auxes
unreal leaf
it sucks that if i want to go for pvp gear i would need to change in manually for pve
unreal leaf
YAY, first time won with italian, new jersey, shima, anchorage madness
unreal leaf
you want either blue twin or purple twin gun
blue twin gun for musashi to proc barrage faster?
floral wave
ye
unreal leaf
interesting
is there some itemization pvp guide?
i will go for it in new pvp season
i got fcked by missing 5 exercises once
also is it better to do 2nd/3rd guy for first exercise (when I have enemies with higher rank)
floral wave
its always better to fight leftmost
unreal leaf
cuz each time my first exercise in session gives me enemies from the time i had bigger rank
floral wave
but check if they did their exercises akready
unreal leaf
so its always leftmost, but not score?
unreal leaf
but check if they did their exercises akready
what
floral wave
better score will always be leftmost anyway
floral wave
not necessarily
unreal leaf
first time Vice Admiral :D
floral wave
relog and see if someones rank went up
unreal leaf
after 3 months
floral wave
if it didnt, wait
unreal leaf
kk
unreal leaf
btw is Plymouth god in pvp?
i would change Laffey to Plymouth once i get her to some DL
unreal leaf
my vanguards
floral wave
at dev29 she doesnt feel better than anything else i could use in that slot
merry vale
Dev 30 does give her another mgm though.
merry vale
But I agree, competion for pvp Frontline is hard.
Plymouth would have to be exceptional to be worth using.
floral wave
anchorage, suzutsuki, juneau
floral wave
shes got oretty mediocre evasion
pretty*
issue is, she doesnt have a torp preload
and wont fit into shinano/hiryuu comps
so theres only aggro fleets left for her to find use
and thats a tough 3rd spot to compete for
unreal leaf
but most important is to not overcap
whats overcap btw