pvp

[thorn obsidian]

should i be concerned if my juneau isnt dying

like none of my fleet are really dying

[merry vale]

That depends on the fleet you're fighting really.

Is she not dying against any meta teams?

[thorn obsidian]

wouldnt say im fighting meta teams rn

[merry vale]

Then don't worry about it.

[trail temple]

Is her not dying causing performance issues?

[merry vale]

Tbh, i think against some of the new setups i might want an anti torp bulges so that she lasts longer than 2 seconds.

I'm running her with her speed setup currently.

https://i.imgur.com/BBBoTXy.png

[thorn obsidian]

quint mags

[merry vale]

Yeah she's just along for the ride.

[thorn obsidian]

My loadout

[merry vale]

Her lasting 15 seconds is a pipe dream against anyone with NJ Musashi Shima actually geared properly.

[dreamy lance]

Staag juneau

[merry vale]

[neon bronze]

When you see it

Is that the BiS gears for PvP ancho?

[merry vale]

The AA gun maybe not, but the rest of it is BiS.

There's arguments for using the manjuu and beaver on someone else.

You could do Manju NJ and just use a washing machine on anchorage.

[lusty hill]

should I try to get in top10 and get the 100 merit reward or is it not worth it?

[merry vale]

Might as well.

[trail temple]

Only get 100 merit per fight if you do your exercise while at aotn, not when you reach aotn

[merry vale]

https://i.imgur.com/ALtSr91.png

[neon bronze]

hallo stryk

why is your hiryuu not launching her airstrike at nearly the same time as your shinano

[untold crater]

12k fp

Not equipped

[winged depot]

overcapped so much

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/665062713076088848.gif?size=48&quality=lossless

[steel coral]

@merry vale what gear do you have on your carriers?

[merry vale]

https://i.imgur.com/9qhWDmt.png
https://i.imgur.com/W7IIXOV.png

My shinano is slow.

[candid sluice]

triple rainbow tech

[merry vale]

The prettiest setup wins right?

[trail temple]

The most fabulous* setup wins

[lusty hill]

Shouldn't you put tenrai on hiryuu if you use 2 wyvern?

[candid sluice]

launch so slow outside of anchorag smoke

[merry vale]

Probably, but i'm doing it for the meme anyways.

[steel coral]

my meme > your meme

[merry vale]

[candid sluice]

wasd new meta

[merry vale]

What took you so long to kill me?

[winged depot]

is that alabama?

[trail temple]

Sodak

[merry vale]

[steel coral]

stall comp on offense isn't the most efficient thing

[neon bronze]

i do remember the meeb vs. 3bb fleet experience firsthand

the 3bb will snipe either the frontline or the sole Musashi there to atlantis

yes shinano and hiryuu exist but rarely do they manage to sink all 3bb

[steel coral]

against 3BB all you have to do is win the vanguard fight

[neon bronze]

task failed successfully?

[merry vale]

In the meeb mirror match harbin has fun though.

Can't do much about NJ Musashi mulching your defense fleet.

But for the slower mirror match it'll drag on kinda long.

[flat veldt]

When's Rip Bozo 2 coming out?

[steel coral]

whenever I roll you next

[deft escarp]

How's a setup of Breguette, Tenrai, Wyvern on Shinana?

[merry vale]

That works, it's still kinda fast.

If you get another wyvern, switch the tenrai for a suisei.

[neon bronze]

for dive bombers, do i prioritize the speed, crash damage, or bomb damage?

[merry vale]

Generally, bomb damage or speed.

Tenrai > XSB3C/Helldiver > most other dive bombers.
Suisei for timing with Shinano if she uses 2 Wyverns since it's slow af.

When in doubt, helldiver is never a bad option.

https://i.imgur.com/HPqeBoM.png

[steel coral]

[candid sluice]

[neon bronze]

i fear defense fleets like that. have trouble dealing with this fleet specifically

two heavy hitters, as well as a preload

beating them is doable, but with time pressure (later on, like before resets)... doesn't make me feel so good

[candid sluice]

[steel coral]

@normal root what gear do you have on your fleet?

[trail temple]

@lusty hill

[neon bronze]

what server?

[trail temple]

Avrora

[neon bronze]

tryhards grrrr.

/s

[trail temple]

Also got

[neon bronze]

no ancho, but i imagine that would be hell if properly equipped

[winged depot]

...

its a meme fleet

[trail temple]

@lunar echo

It's USS waifu/meme yeah

[neon bronze]

got flashbacks about trying to fight a bit more serious USS fleet

i am about to get my first tenrai, to which ship do i equip that tenrai to?

[warm crow]

hiryuu

unless youre not using 2 wyvern nano

[lusty hill]

[neon bronze]

2 breguet - tenrai fine?

[winged depot]

breguet, tenrai and wyvern works fine

[neon bronze]

my only wyvern is on hiryuu rn

if i manage to scrape a 2nd one i'll consider the 2nd wyvern to shinana

[warm crow]

i think its better on shinano cause 4 planes

[neon bronze]

true

but i swap shinano and vanguard depending on what fleets i'm fighting. hiryuu is a mainstay in my attacking fleet, so the wyvern stays on her

[warm crow]

though hiryuu can guarantee at least 2 airstrikes per battle, so whatever works for you ig

[lusty hill]

Is it normal for top 10 to move less? Like I was in top 10 and for 6 hours I got to rank 20, but in the past if I were for example in 400 or something I would move in like 600 or 700 in 6 hours

[neon bronze]

less rushers and more sandbaggers on t100, meanwhile the ranks below that mostly rush

[untold crater]

As the season goes on, more people overcap and lose battles

So less people make it to top 10/100

[lusty hill]

I see

I assumed veterans and try hards people would never overcap or lose since they're the most experienced

[untold crater]

Lose not likely

But overcapping

[winged depot]

overcapping is the devil inside your head

[untold crater]

Sleep is the toughest enemy of AL pvp

[frosty goblet]

Aren’t you the overcap master ?

[untold crater]

Nobody does it better yeah

[frosty goblet]

[pseudo copper]

Well hard for anyone to outdo you when we're just a voice in your head

[untold crater]

[vestal hearth]

just move earlier

it's that simple

[candid sluice]

i simply dont move

[vestal hearth]

also a valid tactic

can't lose if you don't play

[candid sluice]

literally

[lusty hill]

🤨

[rustic bridge]

3 wins on pvp New rekord for me

[untold crater]

Would win 9/10 times if u were on TW or JP

[rustic bridge]

3/10 is enought for me

[lunar echo]

Yeah that's waifus

Gonna switch it over to Ryza for the memes eventually

I don't think I've changed the backline for a year now lol

[neon bronze]

can someone give a full preload defense fleet? encountered one but i forgot it. backline was 3 cv iirc

[lunar echo]

Percy, Aquila, Uni/Chise?

[neon bronze]

chise plus the other two

[untold crater]

It sucks

[neon bronze]

not sure about frontline so i thought i'd ask

[lunar echo]

I eventually wanna max the whole Brooklyn-class and just swap between them for my frontline

No idea what I'll do with the back

[neon bronze]

hopefully i've made it... wait a minute

there we go. easier for the sandbaggers

[merry vale]

Nothing like a little extra stall on the defense team.

[untold crater]

Yukikaze Over Shimakaze stall better

Hiryuu flag stall better

[neon bronze]

ty for free stall tips

about yukikaze... yep. it'll take a while

[zenith lantern]

Shimakaze will probably stall better than Yukikaze, killing 1 or 2 ships early is going to slow the fight down more than having a ship that might tank for a few seconds

[untold crater]

Hmm maybe

[neon bronze]

want to test it out

but i overcapped, i'm around casuals

less chance to get some good defense fleet

[floral wave]

testing defense fleet while attacking?

you need to get someone to roll you, then ask them to test your def fleet

[merry vale]

Another torp bulge enjoyer.

[untold crater]

Goldburn over rudder? Guess goal is spam that smoke asap?

[steel coral]

based bowgun enjoyer

[small quarry]

👀

[winged depot]

beacon and aquila seems redundant no

[pure ridge]

i keep seeing ppl use juneau but is she actually good for pvp?

[pseudo copper]

Yes

[untold crater]

Yeah her heal is insanely helpful

[stable dawn]

Is Essex good in pvp?

[merry vale]

Not particularly.

Juneau is great though.

[pseudo copper]

Idk, try asking Astolfo chan

[winged depot]

bingo bango bongo

[lusty hill]

Why anchorage use staag?

[merry vale]

Good general purpose pvp AA gun if you lack the really good ones.

[lunar echo]

I am confusion

[merry vale]

My Anchorage uses staag too.

[lusty hill]

should I replace my twin 90mm with staag too?

[merry vale]

Staags are just pretty good to have.

[lusty hill]

I'll replace it then

maybe the extra hit can be useful

[old nimbus]

I mean I only see them useful on ships with guns that have arching shells

[merry vale]

[neon bronze]

actually i wanna try both

[winged depot]

based

[trail temple]

Why are you confused?

[lunar echo]

Too many Yorks in too small a space

My brain hurts

[trail temple]

Inb4 there's a New York and Yorkshire

[normal root]

Extra hit

[neon bronze]

Against Mafia
3 attempts, 3 wins

Sure, Amagi enters atlantis in 2 of the attempts. But entire frontline survives

needs more testing, hopefully a video

[winged depot]

don't really need some hit on ancho, but as the saying says "if it works, it works"

[neon bronze]

HIT on Anchorage?

[dreamy lance]

Staag is worse than Sexbofors on Ancho

[trail temple]

I will be honest here, that mafia looks suboptimal

[winged depot]

seems like its scuffed

[neon bronze]

true

needs more testing, a better mafia and some good fleets

i'll be rushin next season, hope that i can get some good defense fleets

[trail temple]

2nd week maybe

[lusty hill]

Already +13 my staag on ancho 💀

[dapper yew]

Shinano or aquila?

[trail temple]

Either

Both work just as well

Basically down to preference, Nano hits harder per airstrike and Aquila has preload

[dapper yew]

Gotcha, what equips would I be looking at for ancho, shima, juneau?

[trail temple]

If you go through the pins, the old section of the pvp spreadsheet should give you a rough idea

It'll be in the comps tab

If you see musashi in that tab, you're in the new one

[dapper yew]

So with the new season next reset, will I get 10 attempts back or only 5?

[winged depot]

5

[dapper yew]

Damn so I screwed myself

[floral wave]

why, its the new season after all

[warm crow]

so you cant get extra 5 attacks on the new season even if you don't do the last set on the previous season?

[floral wave]

you cant

new season starts with 5 no matter what

[trail temple]

Whole idea of new season

Everyone starts fresh

[dapper yew]

Ohhh that's good then, thought it carried over

So the whole idea would be to attack 5 time before every refresh to maximise the gap/points earned or is there something else to it?

[trail temple]

If you want the super basic sandbagging strat, just do your attempts 15 mins before a reset and make sure you have no more than 5 attempts remaining

[dapper yew]

Is there a not so basic guide to it or is it just that straightforward?

[warm crow]

log in every minute to see if someone on your list can give you a bonus then beat them. rinse and repeat

[trail temple]

@crimson bear Feel free to shill your videos

This guy wants your sandbagging video

[neon bronze]

there's already a sandbagging guide in saltyarrow and noobasian's pvp guide

wait it disappeared

??/

[trail temple]

I didn't think we killed it?

@candid sluice Did we kill any sandbagging guide when we rehashed this spreadsheet?

[neon bronze]

i remember the guide being messy af

[candid sluice]

We had a sandbagging guide?

[neon bronze]

and a new section in it

[candid sluice]

Are u referring to the faq section

[trail temple]

tbh, it is still messy

[neon bronze]

saw it beside the FAQ section

[trail temple]

[neon bronze]

no i'm not delusional

[candid sluice]

I don’t remember typing up a sandbagging guide

Unless Andy made one that I’m not aware of

[neon bronze]

"gensui rush", rush 1-2 mins **on the start of the new season to ensure rushers and stuff, repeat for guaranteed 2 rushers

what i read and remember

[trail temple]

I didn't make anything new

[neon bronze]

or maybe it was a forked copy of the guide? i may never know

[trail temple]

We can check the older version of the doc before we fiddled with it

[candid sluice]

It was probably something carried over from the old sheets

[dapper yew]

So I should look for ALM guides?

[neon bronze]

shit. it was there, 100%

[trail temple]

Yep

Not at home so I can't check my accessed documents

[candid sluice]

Same here

I can check for u in a few hours

But I don’t remember anything of the sort

[dapper yew]

The 2 year old ALM pvp guide is still relevant for now or no?

[floral wave]

relevant

[trail temple]

The sandbagging part is relevant

[lusty hill]

I think they never changed pvp

[neon bronze]

START OF SEASON (first 3 days of season)

1. on start of season, wait 1-2 min after the daily reset, then do a battle. because of other rushers, if you win, you get bonus points at least, not sure how much.
2. after your first battle, you'll be near-guaranteed to get 4 other ppl, all rushers. ez +32-34. (first day applicable; *2nd and 3rd days you'll get less points due to ranks, but the advice here is applicable)
3. rinse and repeat for the first 3 days of season, "staggered rushing" is my preferred term to use here

END OF SEASON

1. ???
2. gensui rush - keep all your attempts, then before one of the resets, rush to AotN

this is all i remember about that guide, damn it was detailed, like start of season, midseason and end of season. i'm clueless on why ppl would scrub this beautiful part out of the masses.

may be wrong but these parts i remembered is to the best of my knowledge

[candid sluice]

Looks like burgers copy paste from church server

[dapper yew]

This would have been a great read

[neon bronze]

it was

and it was beautiful

[winged depot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/948277339396124692.gif?size=64&quality=lossless

[dapper yew]

juneau 125 worth for pvp or nah?

[floral wave]

yes

[winged depot]

might as well, doesn't hurt to do it

[neon bronze]

pvp jesus, so yes.

imagine nearly defeating this one New Jersey, but the opponent's Juneau died before NJ dies.

[candid sluice]

[neon bronze]

and then opponent NJ can fire another salvo, with free tickets to Atlantis.

[floral wave]

and then opponents nj procs manjuu

[neon bronze]

was assuming no EUEDC, but either way, yes

[dapper yew]

manjuu on nj?

This good enough for AotN?

[trail temple]

Yeah

[dapper yew]

Any other gear I should +13?

Is it better to use 5 attacks before at the start of a reset if you can't lag or save them for the next and do 10 attacks?

[warm crow]

if you cant go to 5/10 before restock the excess counts as a loss

so better use it earlier if you're busy or going to

[dapper yew]

Each restock is only 5 right?

[warm crow]

yeah, and you cant go over 10 so anything over 5/10 before restock counts as a loss

[trail temple]

AA guns, planes, shima and ancho aux, shima torps

There's a bit there

[lusty hill]

+13 aux is hard I probably ran out of purple plates before gold plates

[neon bronze]

Auxes are hard. No purple AND gold aux plates.

[dapper yew]

Yeah gamer table just made me broke, onto AA I guess

[zenith lantern]

It’s good enough for AoTN but missing Beaver Badge if you want to optimise, WNT also.

[dapper yew]

I got a beaver badge (for ancho?) but what's WNT?

[zenith lantern]

Washington Naval Treaty

On flagship for this fleet, you want to make sure Shinano survives to launch. Beaver badge on backline is ideal, there’s more free space there.

[dapper yew]

So badge on NJ, WNT on musashi or do I move shinano to flag and use it on her?

[zenith lantern]

Musashi flag is better

[dapper yew]

So ditching the white shell for WNT is fine?

[zenith lantern]

Yeah white shell isn’t very important

Survivability is the key in pvp right now, the current meta ships do a lot of damage without needing to be boosted further.

[dapper yew]

This fine for ancho or is a washing machine better than shoe?

[zenith lantern]

It’s down to preference. I prefer Kicks

[stone chasm]

For my hms vanguard is it better using white shell org yellow?
And can i ask the best fleet for pvp and the equipment too?

[zenith lantern]

Check the pins

[stone chasm]

How? I rarely use discord

Ah i see it

Thanks

[river marsh]

2550 final score

i overslept one reset

[winged depot]

rip

[river marsh]

stupidass reset timers

[neon bronze]

btw slaimuda tierlist lists PvE BiS gears

In pins, there should be a PvP guide by SaltyArrow, follow that guide's gear equips

EoS coming soon! Enjoy the rush

[warm crow]

ask in #gameplay-help

[neon bronze]

Where duoenvy EoS records for amagi

Aight

[lusty hill]

Will vanguard equip be added on pins?

[neon bronze]

?????????????

am i t1

[uncut agate]

Lexington's EOS AotN
gg to Aldarn for 2601

[blissful salmon]

ye

[neon bronze]

t100 amagi (in video format)

[lusty hill]

Should I attack a petty officer if I have 30 score? or should I wait?

[untold crater]

Attack

[rustic bridge]

[neon bronze]

is 130 an okay score for start of season

[candid sluice]

140+

[neon bronze]

sadge

2 people in amagi have 140~

[dapper yew]

Should I do 5 attacks now or wait until I have 10 to spend before the reset it overcaps?

[trail temple]

Just move if people move this set. After reset, you can wait until the end to do your exercises

[dapper yew]

I didn’t pay attention to the positions at reset

[floral wave]

doesnt matter that much now, if they move you'll surely notice rank difference

[dapper yew]

So I’m fine just leaving it for like 8 hours?

[floral wave]

youll be at 10 tickets and 2 hours till reset in 8h

well, 1:30

[vestal hearth]

if you wait to get 10 attempts for the second set, you'll risk having no movers for the second set

[thorn obsidian]

So.. defence fleets affect nothing in pvp right? So I can just throw any ships in there?

[winged depot]

yes

[merry vale]

Weak defense fleets help you sandbag a bit better.

[thorn obsidian]

Sandbag?

[merry vale]

You want people to do their fights before you do. Because of how the ladder works.

You get more points if people rush.

[thorn obsidian]

Well I went against the 97th player in amagi earlier

I lost like 5 times so I reset before fight ended

My entire fleet died except for Juneau

Every damn time

Some kinda meta fleet it was

[merry vale]

That puzzles me. Usually she's the first thing to die on my fleet.

[thorn obsidian]

My fleet went ancho, Percy, musashi, vanguard, Shima

They were basically sniping backline

[merry vale]

Yeah. But Juneau surviving till last?

[thorn obsidian]

Yup

[merry vale]

[winged depot]

that happens to me, there was also a time where she was the last vg

[merry vale]

I've never seen that. Usually Anchorage is the last thing standing.

[thorn obsidian]

I know ancho is lower but still

A 120 outliving 125s?

[winged depot]

I mean when unlucky, shima just gets one shot by a single salvo

or even at aquila's preload

[merry vale]

Are you running pure damage shima?

[floral wave]

i mean it might happen sometimes

lots of evades on juneau, rest of vg getting hit everytime

but shouldnt happen more than once in xx fights

[winged depot]

when the rng is on juneau

[floral wave]

15.9k seems little short on backline power

or is the percy dragging it down that much

[floral wave]

oh

no wnt?

[thorn obsidian]

Hm?

[merry vale]

On flag for percy i could see WNT working.

[floral wave]

washington naval treaty

[merry vale]

She's deadweight after 5 seconds.

[thorn obsidian]

I was told to use this

I do have wnt tho

[floral wave]

gear recommendations are very flexible when it comes to auxes

[merry vale]

The feather is still really good.

[floral wave]

and generally wnt makes results more consistent

[merry vale]

Definitely use it on pvp carriers.

[thorn obsidian]

Well I was told from here to use her loadout

[floral wave]

yeah feather is good, but wnt might be what allows you to win if you struggle against particular opponent

[merry vale]

With how much damage the current meta pumps out, any damage reduction helps a ton.

[floral wave]

like, right now im not using flag wnt because i know i wont meet fleets that will cause trouble

but later on in the season ill definitely switch to wnt flag

[merry vale]

https://i.imgur.com/totHKf6.png
https://i.imgur.com/whjuWqP.png

Why not use both.

[floral wave]

cant use feather if you dont use cvs

i say that while using albions report on vanguard

[merry vale]

I'm just coping without NJ.

[floral wave]

i dont have nj either

upgrade suisei btw, it gets faster

unless youre short on mats

[merry vale]

https://i.imgur.com/SkJYITL.png I think i can spare a couple.

[floral wave]

no

i meant gear lab suisei

12a or something similar

direct upgrade over this one

[merry vale]

Oh cool, definitely going to hunt it down.

https://i.imgur.com/iGSOuSw.png

[floral wave]

yep

[merry vale]

https://i.imgur.com/veyzCmg.png

[floral wave]

oh

+13 wasnt necessary

plates wouldve been much better on wyvern

[merry vale]

It's fine, easy come easy go.

[floral wave]

dmg should be fine anyways in 99.9% times

rest is reset anyway

[merry vale]

Still had enough to +11 the wyvern, it's just a waiting game now.

[untold crater]

Rare to find a case where suisei +13 net you a win

Whereas even +11 Wyvern will increase you WR more than suisei

But obviously, doesn't matter if you plan to +13 everything

[merry vale]

That's the plan.

[lusty hill]

does +13 wyvern increase crash damage too or just regural damage?

[untold crater]

The crash damage cannot be changed, not sure what you mean

[torpid shuttle]

whether the +18% dmg mod applied to crash as well as bombs, so u said it doesnt

[fossil vine]

you love to see it

[dapper yew]

136 in the first 5 exercises good?

[candid sluice]

its alright

[south leaf]

2 WYVERNS OOF

I don't even think i will survive that

[pseudo copper]

What does change with +13 is plane HP (other than ordinance ofc), but not that large of a difference

[lusty hill]

I'm 3500 enemy 700, fight or no?

[pseudo copper]

Yes

[deft escarp]

Man wtf

I thought I was gonna cope with quad mags if I were to use Harbin, it turns out that Yuudachi had my other black dildo

[dreamy lance]

it overall increases crash damage due to overall increase in plane HP and thus plane HP remainder as it flies across the enemy AA guns, which you can actually see ingame

[untold crater]

Ah i was thinking crash damage value nvm

[neon bronze]

Something tells me this defense fleet ain't that geared.

If it is... then my fleet did okay

2 w - 1 l

[dapper yew]

Do you use URs?

[neon bronze]

Musashi and Shima is permanent on my fleets

[dapper yew]

Ohh woops, the numbers blocked musashi's face

[neon bronze]

For third backline, either I go Meeb with Shinano, or Vanguard to deal with most fleets

This time I've been thinking of using Amagi for current PvP season, testing her viability

[dapper yew]

I've been considering gearing some alternates for my fleet but not even sure if it's worth

[neon bronze]

My Meeb kinda weak, they need the most investment in rainbow gears (2 tenrais, 2/3 wyverns)

What's your current attackijg pvp fleet?

[dapper yew]

Mushashi, NJ, shinano, ancho, shima, juneau retro

[floral wave]

meeb doesnt need 2 tenrais

in fact if you use 2 tenrais you'd be dropping one wyvern

[neon bronze]

Replace Shinano with Aquila, if you have her. Prrload mode

[dapper yew]

I used to have like VV and duca not sure they have a place in my fleet

[floral wave]

no

shinano in that fleet is totally okay

you dont need a preload

[dapper yew]

I run shinano with double wyvern and 2 IJN though

[neon bronze]

Hmm. That's fine in itself

[dapper yew]

Like some of the preload aquilas I go against do no damage but that's defence so

[astral sun]

Who's a good substitute for Anchorage? I still need to finish developing her. Same for Juneau Kai

[floral wave]

theres none

no ship does either anchorages or juneaus job to be the substitute

[astral sun]

Well, if I don't have them up to snuff, what's the best call from there?

I'm also a long way off from getting Harbin.

[floral wave]

suzutsuki, helena with manjuu, noshiro, duca

[neon bronze]

But an opponent Ancho will make it hard to win the vanguard fight

[astral sun]

Figures. Towards the bottom of the ladder, I mainly run into troll and waifu fleets, so I don't have to worry about that too much as of yet.

[floral wave]

birmingham if full cope mode

[astral sun]

I don't think I have Birm...

Wasn't San Fran the meta a while back?

[floral wave]

idk, but cant really see it

[astral sun]

Not that it matters. She was the one ship I couldn't pull during her event.

[stoic moon]

gph meta maybe

[winged depot]

Based on some past vids i've watched I don't think there ever was a CA that's meta except anchorage or am I missing something

[dapper yew]

I think I saw sanrui in a ALM vid

[winged depot]

guess I missed that

[dapper yew]

From 2 years ago though

[untold crater]

Yeah sanrui was viable 2 years ago

[dreamy lance]

you can use rare juneau as main tank with manjuu even at lower levels

Might need a few resets to do the job but there were and still are amagi players who easily get AoTN with lower leveled juneaus/pre-retro and anchorage-less as well

It's not very difficult as long as you deliberately avoid fighting harder fleets and give yourself ample time to reset before moving

You can actually consider a budget vanguard of Juneau/Helena/Noshiro with Helena carrying the Manjuu item

A well-known Amagi player (was) using Juneau/Helena/Suzutsuki even in the era of Musashi powercreep and still regular getting AoTN

[neon bronze]

Me thinks this fleet is Tier 2 in strength. Comparable to Mafia... idk what way. Don't think this could steamroll current pvp meta, i.e. against Meeb and Yakuza though.

[dreamy lance]

There's also a lvl 70 amagi player using no Ancho/Juneau that finished top 30 last season

Anyone who says that either or both is a must for pvp is mostly talking to players who do not know how to gear their fleets/is not a very good player themselves

[winged depot]

FT

[neon bronze]

flaccidtorp a chad

[dreamy lance]

Coincidentally, now that I look at it, the two accounts in question I mentioned above actually finished right next to each other with the same exact score last season

[neon bronze]

[dreamy lance]

Essentially, no ship is a must to get AoTN with but in order to place higher at the end of seasons you would want as close to a meta fleet as possible. It's a lot harder without one.

[neon bronze]

lmg this FlaccidTorp guy's experienced already, like a smurf on another server.

[winged depot]

can confirm, you can get rank 1 with ships you get in just a year

its just dedication

[dreamy lance]

Those in the know would know, I guess

[winged depot]

sensei

[dreamy lance]

Who's that

Last season rank 1 Amagi has sensei

[winged depot]

brah-sensei

[dreamy lance]

Gone too soon

[pseudo copper]

Brah deserves to be banned for saying USS BB outside Georgia and NJ are 🚮 in #gameplay-help

[dreamy lance]

Again, if you know you know, I guess

[pseudo copper]

2nd one owes me and @flat veldt a meal

[neon bronze]

< Clueless

[untold crater]

[dreamy lance]

Brah asked me to send this to here since he heard people were discussing him

Seems like he really did get banned for saying USS battleships were bad.

[untold crater]

New Jersey is best

[dreamy lance]

[neon bronze]

i'll not respond for fear of getting banned

also i don't know why

[winged depot]

moving on

[untold crater]

Anyways

[dreamy lance]

Moving on, what do people think of Hiryuu/NJ/Musashi?

[floral wave]

fuck, did i miss #pvp story time

sadge

[candid sluice]

[floral wave]

does that ping

[winged depot]

haven't fought that one yet, but Musashi, NJ and shinano is pretty annoying

[floral wave]

no way it does

nvm, im still half asleep

[dreamy lance]

Hiryuu seems like a sidegrade to Shinano, think most people put her on flag rather than off flag like Shinano

Flag she helps to talk with WNT so its a pretty interesting build

[neon bronze]

hiryuu on flag eats BB salvos

thus proccing final counter easier

musashi - nj - aquila is worse to fight against in my experience

[dreamy lance]

In my experience, Aquila seems like more of a quick way to get rid of meme fleets

[pseudo copper]

I mean you were the one to send the dm Brah

You know it much better than we do

[floral wave]

not again

[dreamy lance]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibPVCRWScFg&t=229s

Seems pretty dominant on offense here but granted, its Chise

[floral wave]

look, didnt we confirm already that i overcap more thab yukana? hence, cant be brah

[neon bronze]

but w/ hiryuu... w/ my experience running hiryuu - musashi - vanguard, she's fine

[pseudo copper]

Well Brah is Yukana in TW

So yes you can be Brah

[floral wave]

ok im done

time to embrace it instead of fighting it

[dreamy lance]

[winged depot]

really want to fight these fleets, quite amusing

[dreamy lance]

Just move to Lexington, time to conquer another server

[winged depot]

at least there was one guy who made the nano, nj and musashi

[dreamy lance]

Granted, I think only lexington and avrora often have their top baggers put up actual fleets for the season

[winged depot]

since i'm on break I think i'll just ask for someone to build it

if I ever know a familiar one

[dreamy lance]

If you roll a bagger (say Yukana)

you could ask him to put the fleet up

[winged depot]

yes

[dreamy lance]

Good luck on the tests!

[neon bronze]

but what if the player you asked don't have these ships?

[floral wave]

they do

[winged depot]

yukana is yukana

[floral wave]

you only ask people that you know will have these ships and proper gear for them

[neon bronze]

[winged depot]

only one you can't ask is me, since I don't have shimakaze and nj

[dreamy lance]

Burn reduction, EVA rate up

oh, you deleted

[dreamy lance]

TW Yukana isn't a good PVP player though. He lost to a rusher

Couldn't even get 2610 last season

[neon bronze]

what made amagi good back then, back in nagato - amagi - hiryuu pvp meta

noted

[pseudo copper]

Yeah, why @floral wave = Brah

[dreamy lance]

Oh, the roasts

[neon bronze]

also... what's a good stall fleet?

[pseudo copper]

Surprised mods haven't banned the Brah alt already tbh

[dreamy lance]

[floral wave]

theres no escaping deaths scheme anymore, is it

[dreamy lance]

Any decent offense fleet is a good stall fleet

Forcing others to reset >>> actually making the fight last long

[dreamy lance]

The Coral Sea server was too difficult for Yukana

[neon bronze]

ah, annoying players to force resets pepeg

[floral wave]

well its not really to annoy people

[pseudo copper]

Yeah, and too difficult for Brah too

[floral wave]

but to make them overcap if they move late

[pseudo copper]

Brah just sucks ass

[dreamy lance]

[pseudo copper]

Ban well deserved

[dreamy lance]

Boosted player

lllegitimate rank 1 due to TOS/Collusion

[floral wave]

is there any rank1 that never ever colluded?

[pseudo copper]

Yes, Unultra

[dreamy lance]

Unultra and Yukana, probably

[floral wave]

yukana not colluding

[pseudo copper]

I collude in order to overcap

[dreamy lance]

You don't know? Yukana doesn't collude

[floral wave]

how can i know if i was never in position to ask for one

yet

pausechamp

[dreamy lance]

He feeds others but doesn't ask people for it, more like

[winged depot]

now that I think about it, he doesn't

[floral wave]

oh

[pseudo copper]

@untold crater wanna collude?

[floral wave]

yeah okay that makes sense tbh

[pseudo copper]

I'll invite you for a nice date

[floral wave]

never seen yukana ask

death turning to yukana after being denied by kaine

[pseudo copper]

Nah, Kaine is a tsun, no means yes

[floral wave]

hmm that feels pretty underwhelming for ply

hopefully gets better with d30

or maybe she died early, didnt pay attention

[untold crater]

I like fighting it

[dreamy lance]

How about the Coral Sea?

[untold crater]

Ping me 15min if u still need

[dreamy lance]

[untold crater]

Not sure, i might know after a drink or 2

[pseudo copper]

Nah, sadly don't have you

Got Morp though

[dreamy lance]

🤡 whoever did that was a bozo

[untold crater]

MORP?

[untold crater]

Divine intervention

God said Resu's turn to win

[dreamy lance]

...throwing but Taiwanese

[pseudo copper]

I blame Brah

[dreamy lance]

Should be known as 抛弃机会

[winged depot]

are you also in amagi?

[pseudo copper]

His words of calling USS BB 🚮 hurts me to this day

[winged depot]

are you by chance berhane

[pseudo copper]

[winged depot]

only littorio guy as a secretary

[dreamy lance]

[uncut agate]

[winged depot]

welp, I tried

[dreamy lance]

I am 格里芬

Yukana's best friend

Right? @untold crater

[empty mesa]

You mean voice?

[dreamy lance]

Yeah. I'm Yukana's voice that moves 3 hours before the end of the season.

[empty mesa]

[winged depot]

the voices are in my head

[dreamy lance]

https://tenor.com/view/animals-with-captions-oh-god-the-voices-the-voices-are-back-funny-parrot-bird-gif-25116589

[winged depot]

You know what, i'll be someone else too

[uncut agate]

yes, join the Cheshire cat maid squad

[candid sluice]

dont need to collude if you t*s

[untold crater]

The one and only idiot

[pseudo copper]

Gotta join the church too

[neon bronze]

fuck it ima rush today. because i'll most likely overcap, school day tomorrow.

[floral wave]

+0 better than -x

[neon bronze]

same goes for thursday and friday, exams Sadge

[floral wave]

its fine honestly

theres still gonna be a lot of time to pick up bonuses

last season 2601 score had 1 overcap early in the season iirc

[neon bronze]

so sandbagging can make up for the loss in points?

[floral wave]

yeah

easily

especially if youre not aiming for rank1

[uncut agate]

I didn't sandbag for the first week of the last season, still got a 2584 finish

[neon bronze]

435

only handicap rn is me couldn't figuring out how to bag a +2 consistently

[lusty hill]

how to do that command

[trail temple]

You can't after first week

Maybe first few days

But during mid week, gets harder

[floral wave]

you realize the +2 is for set, not every fight, right?

[neon bronze]

;pace [number of available attempts] [your season score]

[uncut agate]

it's a bot, not available in this server

[floral wave]

just making sure because at some point i thought its for every fight

[candid sluice]

join alm server the bot is there

[lusty hill]

ok thanks

[candid sluice]

invite is in pins

[floral wave]

he's in alm i think

[trail temple]

According to my discord he left

[neon bronze]

i imagined deathkt would've shilled his guild discord because it also has the bot in question

[floral wave]

oh

@pseudo copper slacking

[lusty hill]

yeah I left cuz too many discord server and I probably won't contribute anything in that server lol

[pseudo copper]

No, you asked me where bot was, and I checked shared discords

[neon bronze]

well true

[lusty hill]

joined again

[neon bronze]

though that situation may be a bit plausible

[pseudo copper]

I only shill in #friend-and-guild-id and my about me

[candid sluice]

join ninja channel while youre there

[dreamy lance]

[neon bronze]

hmm

[floral wave]

join ninja channel if youre prepared for 90% offtopic, 10% pvp

[pseudo copper]

Also, don't have any room in guild atm anyways

So less shilling from me

[floral wave]

sadge

[neon bronze]

understandable

still loyal to the first guild i joined

[dreamy lance]

[floral wave]

just kick someone and leave 1 spot forever open so you can always shill

[trail temple]

Don't kick me, I'll be active in pvp

[pseudo copper]

I'll shill waitlist

[floral wave]

i mean theres not a lot of reasons to swap guilds

[neon bronze]

except for this unultra guy

[floral wave]

wut

[neon bronze]

👀

knowledge.

[zenith lantern]

yes I overcapped on Thursday of the first week

[lusty hill]

does ninja channel is where the veterans are? I think I seen it on the tierlist

[pseudo copper]

Ninja channel is where everyone who got AotN at least once can enter

[neon bronze]

ppl who reached AotN at any point in any season

and send it to a certain channel at that server to get perm from moderators

[lusty hill]

the cool club...

[winged depot]

its not the cool club

[trail temple]

There's a more elite club, the r1 server

[winged depot]

whut

you guys have that?

[floral wave]

how does rank1 not know about r1 server hmmm

[lusty hill]

maybe I'll try competitive this season just to get into that channel lol

[floral wave]

you dont really need to be competitive that much for aotn

just try to not lose/overcap

[neon bronze]

personal current goal for now is t100 on eos

[trail temple]

Just don't lose to the Agency's def fleets and you'll be fine

[neon bronze]

what's the Agency, sorry am amagi pleb. Washy or Avrora?

[lusty hill]

I can do that I think

[floral wave]

avrora

[trail temple]

The Agency is everywhere

[floral wave]

and lexi i guess

[lusty hill]

I just never bother to sandbag at the end of season since my main goal is just to get merit

[trail temple]

Lexi Agency is its own thing

[dapper yew]

Oh no, I'm avrora...

[floral wave]

honestly for aotn you dont need to sandbag a lot, maybe not even at all

[zenith lantern]

Lexi agency is mostly concerned with walling MK anyway

[neon bronze]

MKultra player?

and what's walling

[trail temple]

Especially after he tried to stop Aldarn from getting 2600

[pseudo copper]

MK should make Amagi alt so we make an agency to wall him here

[neon bronze]

hmm

[dapper yew]

Anyone on avrora I should be looking out for?

[trail temple]

Famine

[zenith lantern]

For AoTN just do all your exercises and don't lose. You may have problems if you do all your exercises the minute you get them as that will lose you a lot of points but probably not

[trail temple]

And that Reiver guy, he's really sussy

[neon bronze]

on what server should i make an alt? thinking of active pvp in that server too

[pseudo copper]

@trail temple, he hates helping people according to some rando a week ago

[neon bronze]

ahh sorrydough

[trail temple]

As someone who plays 3 servers, don't

[zenith lantern]

Walling is where you get stuck trying to beat an opponent and keep losing

[trail temple]

[floral wave]

probably lexi best bet

or avrora

[dapper yew]

But he helped me with my fleet

[neon bronze]

just 2 servers, i have a sandy alt i'm inactive on and don't plan to play

[winged depot]

sandy seems easier by the looks of it

[pseudo copper]

Just an illusion, he helped you to help himself

[trail temple]

It's more trying to build that second account is more time consuming than you think

You either divide your time, or you run it on an emu when you can

[zenith lantern]

Lexi's pretty friendly for AoTN, a new alt might struggle though as you've just missed Musashi and Shinano

[trail temple]

Or have a second device

[floral wave]

its active tho

i thought question was about a competitive server, not an easy one

[neon bronze]

but Mafia looks probable ngl at the turn of the year

[zenith lantern]

Mafia isn't good any more though

[trail temple]

This @trail temple sounds really toxic

[dapper yew]

You're right, he knows my secrets now

[neon bronze]

you kinda right though

but if t100 is about not losing, i think it'd be mid diff

i like challenge. might as well try to get it the hard way

[floral wave]

eh, few season ago there was a rank7 with uvh+ykkz

[zenith lantern]

You're better off just using your current account to go for t100

[neon bronze]

hmm. t100 on another server looked funny to me

[candid sluice]

can confirm noobasian is toxic

[uncut agate]

UvH op

[trail temple]

I started doing it (play on another server) to prove a point

[floral wave]

@uncut agate trying it out this season

no tractor tho :/

[uncut agate]

I've been using UvH a couple of weeks after Musashi released, triple BB with sushi/nj/uvh

[floral wave]

triple bb feels enjoyable on attack ngl

[trail temple]

So does triple carrier

[floral wave]

i always wanted to use triple carrier

but had no resources to do so

and my recent triple carrier attempts havent been successful either

[trail temple]

Just after OpSi release was the best time to mess with it

[lusty hill]

what's a triple carrier? I never seen one I think

shinano/hiryuu/aquila?

[dapper yew]

No enty?

[trail temple]

That's one example, although you may be better off using a 3rd IJN

Enty is meh

[dapper yew]

Too rng I guess?

[trail temple]

Just a sitting duck outside of Lucky E

and her Lucky E doesn't make her completely impervious to damage

[lusty hill]

enty is broken if accelerated is on

[trail temple]

Not if you can fire before her, and Battleships generally do

[lusty hill]

a single enty once almost kill all my backline, she's literally invincible the entire time after accelerated lol

[dapper yew]

She takes ram damage or something like that still right?

[trail temple]

Not really, HIryuu counters her if you want to play a perfect world scenario

[trail temple]

Correct

[lusty hill]

back then I use whatever it is I think good

perseus/vanguard/warspite

[trail temple]

That should still be able to beat Enty

Unless you used slow guns

[lusty hill]

I use champy

[trail temple]

There's your problem

It's a good copium gun, but it's timing is about the same as Enty

[lusty hill]

now I know why

I thought he was cheating

[dapper yew]

Is the torp bulge worth running on juneau?

[trail temple]

You can use it, yeah

[zenith lantern]

It's a good choice if you're finding your Juneau dies too early

[neon bronze]

What's the ideal time for Juneau to... go to Atlantis? On BB salvos or CV airstrikes?

[trail temple]

Before you lose too many ships

[neon bronze]

In other words, either BB salvos or CV airstrikes. Just keep Juneau alive, until 15-18 seconds pass at least

[rustic bridge]

Win or lose

Lose back line first dead

I hate enty

Lv 70 enty

[neon bronze]

how does your lvl 122 musashi die to a measly lvl 70 enterprise

https://tenor.com/view/azur-lane-san-diego-meme-sandy-gif-25214994

[rustic bridge]

Luck e luck e Lucke

[pseudo copper]

Enty

[lusty hill]

Did he ever win?

[vestal hearth]

hi me

[floral wave]

[empty mesa]

Salty had at least 1300 score last season so I assume he did win some.

[untold crater]

Me, Halmy, nomico, probably a few others like Beowulf or LockeDVM idk much about them tho

[rustic bridge]

2 from 10 gams win

[steel coral]

My first eos r1 was zero collusion

[floral wave]

ethical gamers

[candid sluice]

does coll*ding with yourself count

[trail temple]

Because he's trolling

[lusty hill]

He's commander level 130 why is he like that

[winged depot]

No one knows the mind of a troll even if you ask them

He's gph banned for a reason

[lusty hill]

Lol

Don't ban him in this channel he's funny

[neon bronze]

what's wrong with colluding

?

[trail temple]

Nothing really

The whole pvp tourny ended up being one big collusion fest

[neon bronze]

Why not

It looks funny

[neon bronze]

Are +3s w/out overcapping rare?

[steel coral]

when it's +13 yes, when it's +18 no

[neon bronze]

Been thinking, how does NJ - Aquila - Hiryuu work compared to current meta?

[merry vale]

Well, not using musashi in the current meta is a downside.

[neon bronze]

Don't really mind about her.

As long as I don't lose

[deft escarp]

Wasn't it basically just Avrora vs Lexington?

[rustic bridge]

[untold crater]

Your highest?

[rustic bridge]

bisco to win

Full kms and drake

[candid sluice]

Kms simp that explains it

[deft escarp]

I wonder if I should continue using Sea Horney or use rocket planes on Hiryuu

[untold crater]

Could only ever be

It's natural selection

[untold crater]

Sea hornet

[deft escarp]

Man I need more Wyvern lol

Shinano's airstrike damage is quite satisfying for some reason

[rustic bridge]

Kms is great

[trail temple]

And Amagi as the dark horse

[gritty quiver]

is ap or he bb gun better for pvp

[regal vessel]

AP usually because if your BBs aim at the enemy Main fleet its gonna destroy them

[trail temple]

In this meta, AP generally preferred

You can consider HE for preload BBs and instances where you're more likely targeting the vanguard

[neon bronze]

Musashi meanwhile. Prefers faction specific guns

[floral wave]

well, musashi is locked to HE

[warm crow]

good thing its the lightning the shreds medium and heavy armor

[empty mesa]

Forbidden 460mm Musashi tech.

[autumn mural]

What type of gear matter more to +11-13 in pvp?

[warm crow]

twin 457, tenrai, wyvern, staag/sextuple, teatorp are the priority ones imo

[neon bronze]

triple 457?

???

[floral wave]

staag doesnt matter thst much, but you cant use aa plates on anything else

[warm crow]

oof, fixed

[neon bronze]

we good though. was a bit humorous on my end, thinking it's some forbidden gear choice had it existed

[trail temple]

We got secret guns from WoWs

[floral wave]

dont jinx it

[neon bronze]

please rush.

fuck.

next reset at 3 am and i'm definitely going to sleep at this rate

fuck it ima go down to 5/10

[novel agate]

lightning god

[supple rampart]

can anyone please explain why my ships are just sitting there with fully ready skills for like a solid 15 seconds until they end up getting nuked despite the fact they could totally win if they simply Used The Skills???

like i will have battleships ready to fire and they'll just sit there forever until the opponent uses their skill and they get destroyed

[untold crater]

BB not firing at CV?

CV needs to be fully revealed (with !) For a BB to fire at it, so either use 1 CV yourself, or win the vanguard fight so they can reveal them

[supple rampart]

ah i see, makes sense now you say it, it has been all CVs. will add a cv to my fleet, ty

[untold crater]

np

[prisma pagoda]

When I got 700 seasonal points... I will still getting 15 or 12?

[vestal hearth]

from and including 850 is when you're going to get 12 points as base

[prisma pagoda]

So in this case... I just do my 3 normal battles, and I dont need to get the -1 in case no one rushes?

[floral wave]

yeah

theres a picture in pins

[warm crow]

700 to 850 still gives +15

[floral wave]

4th from the top

[prisma pagoda]

Ty!!

[untold crater]

850 +12 849 +14

[hexed kayak]

Can someone explain why they are getting more points than what I am getting.....

[floral wave]

because they get bonuses for points difference between them and people they attack

[hexed kayak]

So the lower the opponent number is the better?

[vestal hearth]

also, if you're attacking someone with less points than you, then you will gain less points than base for winning against them

[hexed kayak]

I see

Thank you!

[vestal hearth]

you should always attack leftmost, if the leftmost has less points than you, it's better to refresh your opponent's list

or you can wait until the next set

[hexed kayak]

There is a way to see their points?

[warm crow]

only top 100

[vestal hearth]

but you can see their rank

[warm crow]

anything below you just estimate/interpolate based on your ranks

[hexed kayak]

Ah makes sense

So basically I have been attacking someone with a rank that they no longer held on to. I should have used refresh first and let the list update.

That explains the points gap

[floral wave]

you relog for the game to update scores

otherwise youll see the same rank even if they did their fights

[hexed kayak]

Mhm

[floral wave]

for example here, leftmost will have a bonus as opposed to other 3

because they difference in rank is quite big

[hexed kayak]

I did notice that I have been attacking mostly left

[floral wave]

if you do it right as you get exercises you probably wont get many bonuses even if you fight leftmost

[hexed kayak]

At first I thought it was the strongest fleet you fight granted you more points. This season I tried attacking the lowest rank numbers and I noticed a big difference.

Thanks for the info!

[neon bronze]

overcapped 2 attempts but i got a gem

[untold crater]

[flat veldt]

@stoic moon

[untold crater]

nubhead

[neon bronze]

got a +21

redemption arc plez!

[stoic moon]

still have me?

can 0/10

[hexed kayak]

[neon bronze]

nope

i'll wait for someone to rush after the next reset

[stoic moon]

meant @floral wave

[floral wave]

nah, fought you at the point i screenshot it

bonus equal to your def fleet name, thanks

[stoic moon]

[untold crater]

Truly nub headed

[stoic moon]

just wait until i eos higher than u

[trail temple]

Not entirely correct, winning points are based on the opponent's live score, not what's on your opponent list. If you look at the ladder, close it and look at it again you may see some changes in people's rank and/or score

[neon bronze]

ima rush after next reset

there's maint and i would like to ensure no overcapping

[untold crater]

There is?

[floral wave]

collab thing

no way collab maint goes 12h, right?

[untold crater]

Ah

[coral wren]

Hopefully the collab ships are useful for pvp

[floral wave]

c o p i u m

[neon bronze]

c o p i u m

[neon bronze]

Clueless

[torpid shuttle]

i wager two extensions

so 10 hours

[neon bronze]

i'll be long gone to bed by that time mb

today and tomorrow, online exams

[floral wave]

10 is fine for me

11 and a half even

[candid sluice]

might as well make it 12h so i can sleep thru maint

[trail temple]

You sleep through sets anyway

[dapper yew]

Reckon it’s safe to hold onto 5 exercises during maint?

[merry vale]

50/50

[trail temple]

If you're worried, just rush

It's first week, it's fine

[dapper yew]

10 right before reset then 5 after?

[untold crater]

Yes

[dapper yew]

I’ve been lagging so much idk if I’m making good progress

[trail temple]

Just all 10 before the end

[untold crater]

Literally only happened once where maint went over the exercise time limit

Afaik

[trail temple]

There's also cases where downloads were screwing people over

[untold crater]

Ah right some people couldn't DL the 5GB update in time

[trail temple]

So servers were up, but updating was being pepega

[dapper yew]

Don’t you get like 4 hours to download it?

[trail temple]

Not if maint extends

[untold crater]

Yeah but that one there was one hour or smt

Still plenty for 5GB, just some people have bad wifi

[dapper yew]

I’ll rush to be safe then, not waking up that early

[neon bronze]

Its rushin time

Got a +14 on the last though. Haven't used my refreshes pepega

[winged depot]

probably the worse start I had, all good though since its a break season

[untold crater]

Smh not going for the back to back

[winged depot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/665062713076088848.gif?size=48&quality=lossless

[neon bronze]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/697475157739962509/902144573256663110/nj_get_real_.gif

[winged depot]

i'll still make myself a fat bonus

[dapper yew]

Should have waited a bit longer

Haven’t lost yet so AotN looking likely

[wicked surge]

Still have another week to lose

[lusty hill]

should I emtied my tries now or wait a little bit?

no one is climbing

[neon bronze]

Is Amagi with 406 skc (fdg gun) good here?

[lusty hill]

No 1 lol

[neon bronze]

One day, I'll also compete in this server.

[trail temple]

@whole salmon You've been spotted

[whole salmon]

Rusher gang

[trail temple]

Avrora's spitting out new r1 guys

[crimson bear]

I think they are already pinned, but buried a little bit. #pvp message

[trail temple]

[neon bronze]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/697475157739962509/902144573256663110/nj_get_real_.gif

[trail temple]

@dapper yew If you haven't seen them already, there are the videos

[neon bronze]

are the old meta fleets still viable today, provided i replace any of the frontline ships with anchorage?