pvp

[torpid shuttle]

i usually wait for like 100 rank difference

wait for ur four choices to complete their exercises

then they higher ranked than you

[neon bronze]

so... around the time before resets?

[torpid shuttle]

right after resets

[neon bronze]

so around 15 mins after resets, got it

[torpid shuttle]

keep reloading and coping

[neon bronze]

?

oh i see

[trail temple]

TW and JP often see 2600+ at the high end

[deft escarp]

Anyone tried something like Musashi/Shinano/Hiryuu+Juneau/Anchorage/Harbin?

[winged depot]

Mines close, though I have yukikaze instead of harbin

since harbin is at dev 17

[dreamy lance]

People talking about sandbagging RNG like early season matters at all

Unaware

[trail temple]

All following Famine collusion strats

[flat veldt]

who won last reset?

[trail temple]

Unultra, no contest

[untold crater]

BDO

[flat veldt]

BDO is just a front, he's actually selling boosting services in AL pvp

@empty mesa found your dealer

[empty mesa]

[trail temple]

<@&472236072743600148> We got some really off topic conversation here

[empty mesa]

[leaden jay]

[reef sedge]

did you have to ping all of us

[pseudo copper]

Kirito about to be banned for boosting?

[reef sedge]

[wraith eagle]

[wraith eagle]

why not?

if it's mod related then its fine

[leaden jay]

Uhhh.. This is an Azur Lane server..

[reef sedge]

i don't wanna be pinged for mod stuff lemme be free

anyway, this is AL server yes, this channel is also for AL pvp

[wraith eagle]

ok I'll tell res you're retiring

[reef sedge]

[leaden jay]

No Floofie, don't leave us

[reef sedge]

[candid sluice]

Why are the oranges in this channel

[dreamy lance]

Someone who was in shambles

[untold crater]

[neon bronze]

what was that deleted message?

[keen raptor]

guy was advertising Black Desert Online

[untold crater]

Who else join his guild

[neon bronze]

lmao advertisements in my gacha game, no shit

back on topic. is vittorio veneto + duca (don't have aquila) be better than warkai?

in terms of sniping

[dreamy lance]

not really

[brazen socket]

Hmm curious, do any of you put harbin in your pvp teams?

[floral wave]

ye

but mainly because no shima currently

[zenith lantern]

I do

[floral wave]

im kinda locked to weeb atm so if i had shima i probably wouldnt run harbin

[zenith lantern]

She was the best 3rd vanguard until musashi came along

Might still be best but Musashi can one shot her so I'm experimenting with Duca again

But Harbin + Shima both with teatorps is really effective

[candid sluice]

i dont

[fallen drift]

Wait, is helldiver a Torp bomber ? Because aquilla has 2 fighter slots and one torp bomber slot

[oblique silo]

1st slot is a fighter. 2nd slot can be either a fighter or dive bomber. 3rd is a torp bomber

[fallen drift]

Copy that sir

[torpid shuttle]

how has musashi testing gone so far?

for mafia, weeb, and vanny flavored mafia i guess

[fallen drift]

These are some of the main fleet ships i saw used by high grade commanders. Is there any gears i must change and any suggestion for the combination ?

[torpid shuttle]

have you glanced at the guide

[fallen drift]

Just to make sure

[candid sluice]

swap that fighter on uni

also put some wyverns on your nano

[fallen drift]

Which one i mus swap ?

[candid sluice]

sea hornet

[trail temple]

Faced one from one of the top players, weeb was able to beat it pretty easily

[merry vale]

If she gets her full barrage off and they aren't already 90% dead she out damages shimakaze. She mops up longer (surviving preloads) fights really well. Not sure about defense fleet, but in an attack fleet I really like her.

Even against mafia her barrage just rips and tears, usually 30-40k damage off 1 barrage.

Nothing else lives long enough to really test her with my comp, I haven't run into a 2x barrage fight yet.

[merry vale]

Enjoy my anecdotes.

[feral orbit]

any glaring vulnerabilities with my team? can sub out perseus for richi/ulrich

[merry vale]

If you have the angels feather, I'd personally use it on Percy over the beaver, replace the washer on Anchorage for the beaver, and a wyvern on Percy when you eventually get that.

You can also use blue twin or the non magnetic torps just to get Anchorage firing smokescreen faster since her damage isn't that fantastic in the first place.

[deft escarp]

Who's that DD?

[merry vale]

Yuudachi retrofit for her torp buffs and Shimakaze.

[deft escarp]

Ah

What aux should I give to Anchorage?

I'm using Kicks+Bulge on her currently

[merry vale]

I use manju and beaver, she's always the last thing to die in any given match.

[dreamy lance]

That looks largely fine

fair warning it will take a few resets to beat better fleets

[cinder wolf]

faster load means good?

[torpid shuttle]

uh

[fallow granite]

is there any new meta build for pvp or is it still the same

cuz the pinned message still has the same things

[candid sluice]

Still in testing phase

[trail temple]

We be testing

[merry vale]

Speaking of that, I finally got to fight 2 teams that lasted long enough for a second Musashi barrage.

[honest mirage]

Why do you use twin 127 on juneau specifically

[floral wave]

you dont, theres better guns

[lean geode]

can someone spoonfeed me the meta fleet atm?

i'm assuming juneau is back

[floral wave]

she was never gone

sushi/hiryuu/shinano/nj
anchorage/shima/juneau/harbin

oh, aquila in backline aswell

[lean geode]

juneau gets pearl now right?

since she can stagger it

and manjuu on anchor i guess?

[floral wave]

not necessarily

pearl is debatable tbh

since she usually dies right after "not-dying"

could experiment with manjuu between ancho and juneau with juneau pearl in that case

there hasnt been enough time for proper musashi testing yet

and since shes not locked to any particular comp, theres more than one meta fleet

[lean geode]

i see

[honest mirage]

I saw the setup veston showed a couple days ago and thought it was for some pvp reason

So which gun

[winged depot]

Doesn't really matter what she has tbh, just got to read it xD

[uncut agate]

twin 128 skc

[winged depot]

Yeah that's the safest option

[lusty hill]

I got around 17k merit last season (not including promotion reward) is it considered high or can it be maxed more

[uncut agate]

you can go upto approx 32-33k merit per season

i don't remember the exact number

[lusty hill]

how is that even possible

do i need to always get top 100?

[uncut agate]

win every fight and get aotn

quite easy to achieve really

[lusty hill]

what's aotn?

[uncut agate]

highest rank, admiral of the navy

[lusty hill]

does that include promotion reward? cuz the 17k I got doesn't include it

[uncut agate]

yes

[lusty hill]

well that's quite impossible for me since I barely able to get in the top 100

I don't have shimakaze or the italian combo

best I can do is ayanami and percy+vanny+warspite

[winged depot]

I have none of those and I think my highest rank is top 20? idk I don't check eos stuff

[lusty hill]

I can get top 100 if I rush but it'll always go up eventually

[floral wave]

neither shimakaze nor italian combo is needed

[dreamy lance]

Best option on Juneau is duck gun, most AA stat

[quartz laurel]

The attacker buff working wonders even if you don't have Italians or shimakaze

[candid sluice]

its not about the fleet its about how you push on ladder

[lusty hill]

Any easy to understand guide on how to do that?

[candid sluice]

there are two good videos in pinned messages made by alm that describe the process

[ancient skiff]

Just remove atk buff and it'll be the same

[oblique silo]

Both of mine are attacker fleets

[bronze hedge]

wait defender fleet exist?

[candid sluice]

i simply dont defend

[trail temple]

Destroyer of seasons

[candid sluice]

Better luck next season bro

[trail temple]

Can't get top 100 on Amagi when strong guys like this gate keep

[neon bronze]

i missed at least 5 exercises

season ruined

[floral wave]

last season i missed aotn by 1 point with 11 overcaps

5 shouldnt be an issue unless you planned on eos

[rustic bridge]

[floral wave]

lose X attempts to get 23 bonus, big brain

[regal elbow]

guys, i use in pvp almost "standart" fleet. is there a better options?

[uncut agate]

you can try Musashi/NJ/Aquila+Anchorage/Shimakaze/Juneau retrofit

[regal elbow]

interesting.. musashi with 410 triple, right, not 460?

[uncut agate]

musashi with twin 356 or twin 410

[candid sluice]

twin410

[glossy nest]

Twin 410mm KAI

Kai is better than normal one

On gear lab

[floral wave]

triple 410 works aswell

so does twin 356

[autumn mural]

So uh can i win this battle?

[floral wave]

just reset

[autumn mural]

I waited around 4min to kill that ancho

tbh i thought timer would go down to 0

and in that case who would have won?

[candid sluice]

draw

[floral wave]

why not reset instead

[uncut agate]

it's a draw meaning you'll get zero pts

[autumn mural]

i thought it would be my win since i had more hp

good thing it won before 0 timer then

[zenith tide]

do you know you can reset your PvP fights without losing anything?

[autumn mural]

yeah but it was a better geared fleet than mine so it was my best attempt

[thorn obsidian]

Has there been any testing with musa in pvp? Is she better than vanguard?

[floral wave]

most probably replaces vang in vang/aq/nj

overall cant go wrong using her in any team

[thorn obsidian]

my current team is Van/Warspite/Percy, i could use FdG or Mush if good

[floral wave]

forget fdg

id use vang/musashi here

altho you could actually try warkai with musashi

could work sniping enemy backline early if sushi barrage decides to hit them

[torpid shuttle]

musa doesnt take warkai target prio tho

[thorn obsidian]

Here do you can see what I’ve got

Ancho dev 9 so ignore her

For now atleast

[floral wave]

yeah but lightnings deal a lot of dmg

[thorn obsidian]

And Juneau is at 100

[floral wave]

also flag percy

[thorn obsidian]

ok but if i use fdg or mush in this comp

nvm you said forget fdg

[floral wave]

you still probably flag percy

i mean you could try triBB

should work aswell

but you might get fucked by nano/hiryuu

[thorn obsidian]

what would you recommend

[floral wave]

id say vang/sushi/percy

could try warkai sushi if you want

but vang sushi should be enough

[thorn obsidian]

percy still flag?

[floral wave]

think i used it even before i went back to ijn

yeah

flagship usually takes most dmg

[thorn obsidian]

ok thanks

[floral wave]

so you put a throwaway there

[thorn obsidian]

gonan work on lvling juneau now tbh

funny enough warkai always sinks first

[floral wave]

well a lot of it also depends on enemy torp rng

[thorn obsidian]

so juneau replace yuudachi, ancho will replace kron, but is azuma better than kron for now?

[floral wave]

nah, dont think so

went 7-1 against this with vang/percy/sushi, not the ideal test target but i have nothing else at the moment

except im using harbin instead of shima

[torpid shuttle]

how's aya to shima

[steel coral]

stronger preload but worse everything else

[torpid shuttle]

isnt shima just for backline preload snipe

[steel coral]

aya has a stronger preload but since shima has 2 she's more consistent with it

plus shima is tankier making it more likely she'll survive 'til ~20s and get another torp launch off

and also a better AoA for more chip dmg

[warped ice]

nah what at level 82 too 💀

[candid sluice]

fr fr ong 💀

[warped ice]

literally beat 5+ people that are 30 - 20 levels more than me

and their ships are all level 100 - 125 and i have 2 level 100s

[naive dome]

people usually intentionally put non-meta, "naked" high level ships in the defense to either flex their waifu or to give people free exp.

My defense fleet consists of glasses girls.

only very few people uses tryhard fleet with tryhard gears

[merry vale]

It gets boring when you're actively trying to find a team worth a damn to test on.

[untold crater]

Easier to find those in higher ranks

[thorn obsidian]

Just wanna come back to this, does position matter for the 2 bbs?

[winged depot]

don't think so

[quartz laurel]

uh i think i forgot to an exercise

how many pts are people at rn/how many pts should people be at?

[zenith lantern]

t100 at end of the reset were around 1460-1470 at 0/10, if you’re bagging you’d be around the same score but 5/10

[floral wave]

sometimes you might want to target specific enemy backline with sushis sword slash as it reaches them, otherwise dont think theres any difference

[charred tinsel]

Solid? I removed helena

Should I put musashi or vanguard or my backlinere are okay

[thorn obsidian]

too many tanks?

[charred tinsel]

There's 1 tank bro

[floral wave]

musashi and vanguard

use anchorage, use juneau

[charred tinsel]

Ayt bye bye warspite

Isn't Juneau ass

She blue

[floral wave]

no

[charred tinsel]

Aite

[floral wave]

and she purple now

[untold crater]

She has a crazy heal for the rest of her team

But yes she is garbage damage, crazy good support

[charred tinsel]

Ah alr

[thorn obsidian]

yukikaze is a tank

[thorn obsidian]

just cause a ship is blue or purple doesnt make them bad, its the skills/usefulness that matters

[charred tinsel]

shes clearly a dd bro cmon

[thorn obsidian]

a dd with tank skills

[charred tinsel]

yeah i should get out of that mentality

just like mainz?

[thorn obsidian]

jervis and yuki only 2 tank dds

[winged depot]

yuki is fine though

[thorn obsidian]

just clarifying that yuki is a tank is all

[winged depot]

true she outlives my anchorage 30% of the time

[floral wave]

well its a juneau vs yuki at this point

and id rather use juneau

[rustic spade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/922746416839938050/973225153007845376/pvp.png

[untold crater]

[warped ice]

that player uses bulins despite getting 1 shotted at the begining of the exercise

[warped ice]

at level 40 i couldnt find anyone to test on because i had a trash team

[candid sluice]

its not about winning its about sending a message

[warped ice]

this aint really pvp but this man flexing so hard idon even wanna press that button

[winged depot]

Looks easy though wdym

[candid sluice]

free win

[torpid shuttle]

pretty free vanguard

[late heath]

Not even 18k when flex

[empty zodiac]

I suck at pvp but is this team viable or should I do something else

[merry vale]

Do you have anchorage or anyone somewhat tanky? Because your frontline will get eviscerated by preloads.

You could remove sandi for a proper tank and be better off.

[empty zodiac]

No anchorage here

Tankiest I have is Prinz Eugen I think

[merry vale]

That might be a little bit of a problem. Other than that, you'll want them at level 120, but with a tank that team would work.

[empty zodiac]

Other than anchorage what ships can be counted as tanks I have too many unbuilt ships

[merry vale]

The issue is in pvp most tanks are paper, even the DR's and UR's like Azuma, Agir, Kronshtadt. Anchorage is uniquely beefy because she makes your entire vanguard gain 40% evasion.

A tanky ship with torpedo bulges still won't really save you from Shimakaze, Anchorage is really hard to compromise on.

[empty zodiac]

Looks like Ill have to refocus resources to Anchorage construction

[untold crater]

Get Juneau

Get Hiryuu over Warspite

And whenever you can, swap yuudachi for Anchorage

[strange tide]

I got a +14 from someone who was on the top 100, and I forgot to check the points difference. Fuck.

[warped ice]

I got javelin retrofitted at level 105

definition of MORE EVASION

(javelin raid skill is level 9 now)

is setup good

though

[merry vale]

DD's are still very fragile, that ship won't be tanking much.

[warped ice]

yea its usually the first to die

but since it has a S rating in evasion its mainly swiftsure who dies first

great ship to dodge

and usually is automatically reloaded torpedoes when starting sortie

[trail temple]

That gearing though

[calm bison]

https://gyazo.com/44dcdc7edcdacb77a736543f7459ef92

[honest mirage]

I still don't understand this

[uncut agate]

probably lost/reset the fight cuz sandy won't die to solo percy

[candid sluice]

[wanton rune]

Should i use ap or he ammo for pvp?

[zenith lantern]

It depends on the ship. Battleships mostly want AP guns, unless they have an early strike when you'll often give them a HE gun. Vanguards mostly use HE.

[spice cypress]

Who should I replace with Anchorage here?

[coral wren]

Kron should be replaced

[rustic bridge]

💀

I need more fleet Power

[floral wave]

or you could start doing more than one exercise per two weeks

[rustic bridge]

i lose every fight

[empty mesa]

[rustic bridge]

No luck on low Player

[floral wave]

not like theres a sheet in pins

[zinc phoenix]

Who should I use?

No pasta fleet, nor nj

Currently using kron/Seattle with damage control/ancho with pearl, and chise/musashi/vg

Guns, well the purp 410kai on musa, skc 34 406mm on vg, standard tiger at, hell diver and wyvern on chise

[trail temple]

Also has a budget section

[untold crater]

Musashi/Shinano/Hiryuu/Ancho/Helena/Juneau

[steel coral]

>

[untold crater]

I wonder

Maybe, haven't used ayanami since new aug

[floral wave]

actually, is aya worth without black torp?

[coral wren]

mmm if Lixxie had a Yuudachi, would that be preferable to Helena or would you keep her?

My dock and comp are practically identical but I used Yukikaze instead of Hellena. But it might be better to swap either for her or Yuudachi

[neon bronze]

Hello, that's a great backline u have there

Now speaking of frontline, that's kind of meh for PvP.

Shimakaze's torps and/or Aquila/Perseus/Chise preloads can and will smoke ur vanguards; and if that doesn't do the trick then Hiryuu/Shinano (the BBs are busy sniping backlines usually) will smoke those fat sterns to Bikini Atoll.
In other words, Frontline without Anchorage = bad. She protects against some of the worst dmg in PvP partially because of evasion she gives to fleetmates.

Generally speaking, any top tier PvP fleet worth their salt uses any combination of Anchorage, Juneau, torpdemons such as Shima or Ayanami, Noshiro/Duca (both decrease torp dmg ur frontline receives, latter is recommended if u have Mafia fleet), Harbin
Poverty options are Yukikaze, Juneau

[candid sluice]

juneau poverty

[floral wave]

mentioning noshiro/duca but not harbin

feels like lechon is always looking at pinned pic but never noticed the sheet thats also in there

[neon bronze]

forgetti

[empty mesa]

Imagine using Juneau.

[floral wave]

yeah imagine

[neon bronze]

either way, it's alright being checked on once in a while. cunningham's law in effect

what's a sheet

[floral wave]

google doc

the one posted by salty

[neon bronze]

wonder why sea hornet > tigercat here, does it have to do with crash dmg and/or how fast the planes go?

[floral wave]

and ofc juneau retro and sushi appearance change stuff but its not been tested fully yet

[neon bronze]

don't have juneau raised yet, i should rn

[candid sluice]

sea hornet faster load time

[empty mesa]

Weeb with Sushi works fine for me so far.

[floral wave]

same

without shima even

[neon bronze]

hey Salty, does ur sheet implies max fleet tech, or does it not apply in PvP?

[floral wave]

doesnt apply

[neon bronze]

ah then. great to know

[candid sluice]

[neon bronze]

don't have much fleet tech myself

[neon bronze]

Shoot, can't beat this fleet.

Forgot about refreshes before this comment

Tried Noshiro before Kazagumo. Tried to deal moar torp dmg

Inb4 ppl hawk at me for not being able to beat a Sniper fleet.

[untold crater]

Take out kaza

Show dock

[neon bronze]

It is time

[neon bronze]

Inb4 I get hit by the Musashi - Hiryuu - Shinano

[untold crater]

Yes

And juneau

That's absolutely the best comp for you to use

[elder gull]

can richelieu do something with preload against this fleet?

[elder gull]

percy will reveal hiryuu, put her against enemy warspite. snipe nj with warspite.

[whole salmon]

There are some early testing results

Simply put

“If you have a Musashi, you use the Musashi”

Cus Musashi fleets are just so much stronger than non Musashi fleets

[floral wave]

i know but i rather put a disclaimer out there just in case

[whole salmon]

Mhm as for actual fleets then yeah there’s currently 4

Most are running Musashi weeb

Or a variation of Musashi weeb but with NJ instead of 1 of the 2 CVs

Musashi Aquila also shows positive testing results

Tho one thing is for certain is that Musashi’s barrage currently has no counters outside of just running your own Musashi

[merry vale]

Musashi in the sniper fleet instead of NJ also works really well.

[lunar echo]

🦅

[merry vale]

I've only found a few teams that survive 1 barrage, even at the top of the pvp ladder nothing survives 2 barrages.

[cinder wolf]

isnt musashi weeb just ijn fleet

[whole salmon]

Musashi can do frontline pressure better than NJ which fixes a huge problem where people can just beat weeb by winning the frontline war. And yeah we are slowly moving back to IJN fleet territory

[cinder wolf]

yeah, just talking namewise
they all are ijn

[whole salmon]

NJ Shinano Hiryuu is great and all but a problem with it is that NJ’s barrage targetting is unreliable. If it targets frontline then enemy can just dodge using speed

[cinder wolf]

what makes nanohiryuu a weeb and not musashi

[whole salmon]

However, Musashi doesn’t really care about speed

Them lightning strikes just hit moving targets like nothing

So speed preload comp with high dps mid tier survivability frontline are less likely to win frontline battle

As for backline pressure then 2 CVs can likely handle it without the need of Musashi to run AP gun

[floral wave]

harbin blue torps :pausechamp:

[whole salmon]

So you can run 410 Musashi or 356 Musashi

[whole salmon]

[cinder wolf]

unironically works tbh, rip dps tho

[floral wave]

dont kekw me like that

she only gets outdpsed by juneau sometimes

[whole salmon]

Tbh I expected the pvp switch to Musashi to happen much much quicker

[floral wave]

whats the timing on 356 sushi anyway

[whole salmon]

However we are already on 3rd week?

[cinder wolf]

@floral wave can you steamroll most meta fleet now?

[whole salmon]

And there are still very few Musashis in pvp

[floral wave]

idk, i switched after 2 days

[whole salmon]

Pretty much only higher rank players have them

[floral wave]

yeah, some not so steamroll, but high win%

[whole salmon]

Also I can sort of safely say Mafia is dead

I don’t think under any circumstance is Mafia viable at high rank anymore

[floral wave]

but thats testings from last week and earlier

[cinder wolf]

i think her 3rd skill makes ppl think shes not pvp usable

[floral wave]

im dead this season

[cinder wolf]

seen some ppl saying that

[floral wave]

imagine reading

[whole salmon]

Zoomer comps still exist tho

Just not the whole package of Mafia

[cinder wolf]

her dr dont work in pvp yadayada, cant blame them tbh, in game wording is pepega

[whole salmon]

Aquila is still very much used even with Musashi

[floral wave]

doesnt sushi work in zoomer tho

[uncut agate]

Good, kill the competition

[floral wave]

even if dr didnt work

how that makes sushi not viable

[whole salmon]

Tbf the less people use Musashi, the better for us

I have seen a lot of stupid reasoning like “muhh her dr doesn’t work” or “Izumo gun is too slow for pvp” or “she can’t effectively use 457”

[cinder wolf]

just saying on how some thought process goes for ppl who dont really care about pvp

[whole salmon]

When legit Musashi is the cheapest UR BB to use in PVP when you can run Blue gun on her and she can still destroys

[floral wave]

ye i get it, but i dont get that reasoning

[whole salmon]

Just run Twin Blue 356

Or Twin Purple 410

[floral wave]

i did run confetti against mediocre mafias

no issue

if only her base gun counted as ijn

[whole salmon]

I mean just earlier up above someone thought fleet tech applies to pvp

[cinder wolf]

if it does i'd walling ppl in amagi

[whole salmon]

Tho I mean

The less people use Musashi

[cinder wolf]

eva tech would be unironically op

[whole salmon]

The better it is for us

[whole salmon]

So maybe we shouldn’t tell people how good she is

[floral wave]

btw, does aya work without black torp

[whole salmon]

[floral wave]

or not worth

[whole salmon]

Not worth

[floral wave]

budget case anyway

[whole salmon]

You really need that torp salvo to hit

So the full MKIX

[floral wave]

yeah thats what i thought

[whole salmon]

If you use Quint then idk use Yuudachi instead

[floral wave]

gotta find 3rd frontline for my lexi account

[cinder wolf]

why u tying to use aya anyway

[floral wave]

prolly yuudachi yeah

[cinder wolf]

weeb better with stally vanguard

[whole salmon]

Incase of no Shima ofc

[floral wave]

not trying yet, but i made a lexi acc 3 days ago

[whole salmon]

I’m still thinking of some stupid ideas of using Shinano and Musashi with either Amagi or Nagato

[cinder wolf]

even with no shima, juneau harbin ancho would still better

[whole salmon]

But that idea seems dumb

So I haven’t tried it

[floral wave]

amagi doesnt seem to work tbh

idk, i just cant see her defensive kit making a difference

[whole salmon]

Seydlitz fleet also seems dead btw

I mean Harbin already killed it

This killed it more so

[floral wave]

agir vs sushi barrage ouch

[cinder wolf]

i mean there are 2 big dick bb now

which alr tanku

[whole salmon]

If we have IJN ver of Manjuu

[cinder wolf]

going defensive without having dmg is suicide

[whole salmon]

I can honestly say IJN has no counter

But because Manjuu is USS

Of which NJ is still used over Musashi in some cases

[cinder wolf]

works years ago when the biggest dmg burst was just warkai

[whole salmon]

Spotting also became less useful I would say

[floral wave]

not like revealing nano+hiryuu does much, yeah

[whole salmon]

Because without spotting, Musashi essentially would just dump her entire lightning strike load on frontline or enemy NJ

[floral wave]

oh, you mean in sushi case

rip 6 hits into frontline

[whole salmon]

The lightning strikes are just too broken in pvp

Who thought of this

Most frontlines don’t survive long enough to even need a second barrage to kill them off

[floral wave]

did anyone actually test harbins blue torps survivability against sushi barrage

[zenith lantern]

I think 3xBB is going to turn out to be really good. It was already one of the best fleets for beating weeb and Musashi solves all it's problems

[floral wave]

i didnt get the chance

or met only triple musashis

[whole salmon]

Yeah just dump everything into that frontline

[floral wave]

triple harbin gun

[whole salmon]

Or just dump that enemy Musashi or NJ at top

Also Harbin gun yeah, that thing is great as aux

[zenith lantern]

Hopefully I can roll brah sometime this season so I can test it out

[whole salmon]

Use on all BBs if possible

Harbin gun is pog for pvp

[floral wave]

the range just too good

[whole salmon]

The only thing that is better is probably

Plymouth gun

[floral wave]

is it tho?

whats the range on ply gun

hm, 2 less

ah thats default cl gun range

[zenith lantern]

68 vs 70 on Harbin gun. Harbin gun has higher DPS but Plymouth gun penetrates so can multi hit

hard to say which is better

[whole salmon]

Plymouth gun has more fp stat which helps with Musashi’s barrage a bit more

[cinder wolf]

i did

[floral wave]

can you actually feel the difference?

or is it more of a copium

not running rainbow mags on harbin hurts my soul

[cinder wolf]

copium if ure running aggressive fleet

[zenith lantern]

try teatorps

[floral wave]

isnt that even more of a copium tbh

[zenith lantern]

No

[floral wave]

single set

[zenith lantern]

Shima + Harbin both with teatorps is really effective

Volume of fire makes it pretty consistent

[cinder wolf]

yeah teatorps works

[floral wave]

noted

altho im not really able to run aggro fleet

[cinder wolf]

but if looking for smoke on musashi barrage thats pretty much it for now

[floral wave]

most aggro fleet i can run is

sushi/vang/percy

or sushi/vang/warkai

[cinder wolf]

thats copium aggro

[floral wave]

i know

thats why im running ijn

also missing shima slot for aggro

[cinder wolf]

aggro is like musa,nj,aquila/shinano with shima upfront

[floral wave]

ye thats why i said thats the most aggro i can field

[cinder wolf]

just play ijn backline

its actually most consistent i feel

does juneau kai take main tank now or still off tank?

[floral wave]

i tried both and she doesnt seem to work offtank anymore

for me at least

double gyro doesnt help dodging sushi barrage so i just slapped more tank on her and made maintank

just a thought tho, ply + sushi flag? plys barrage should mark all 3 vanguards before first sushi barrage

[cinder wolf]

probably need to wait d30 to see wether worth or not

[floral wave]

yeah surely

[merry vale]

Good thing people make excuses not to use Musashi in pvp.

[candid sluice]

[fallen drift]

🤔

[marsh fog]

helena sg scanning to weaken dem

[neon bronze]

new pvp feature: SG radar now reveals opponent's gears

:copium:

[dapper stone]

Does soemthing like mushy haku nano anchor shima juneau work? Running hiryuu vg wk right now

[zenith lantern]

If you use that just with hiryuu not haku you have one of the best fleets right now

[dapper stone]

Great 🙂 which gun? Twin 410 kai or the AP one?

[zenith lantern]

The 410mm, the AP gun is too slow for pvp

The blue 356mm is an option too, that’s what I’m using at the moment and I like it a lot but for a double CV fleet the 410 might be better

[brazen socket]

Helena SG radar'd too much and hacked the game

[deft escarp]

Bruh, it happened again

Aquila spotted but NJ only fired when Aquila launched her planes

The fleet was Vanguard/Musashi/NJ (oathed, 177 reload with 457 and HPFCR)+Anchorage/Shima/Juneau

[candid sluice]

aquila has not been revealed

[deft escarp]

I thought Aquila is

Bar needs to be full for her to be revealed right? I thought it only needs to be above the red line

[zenith lantern]

Needs to be full. You’ll see an ! At the top if they are revealed

[candid sluice]

❗

[rustic bridge]

Lexi my best pvp ship on time

And i hate enterprise

[torpid shuttle]

dying to enty in this age

[rustic bridge]

I die only on enty and warspite

[floral wave]

dying to enty while using musashi

just retire already man, theres no hope

[empty mesa]

I died to White's Manjuu Enty.

[floral wave]

retirement time :pausechamp:

[rustic bridge]

My musashi

[whole salmon]

[torpid shuttle]

scuffed in most ways

[torpid shuttle]

didnt get the twin 410 memo

well nothing is maxed and nothing is optimal and it's 0lb

so not much to say

[rustic bridge]

would have to farm again the first time

[torpid shuttle]

what?

again? you have one?

[rustic bridge]

nope all scrap

[torpid shuttle]

that's not blessex

then craft it from gearlab interface

also crafted all BPs into twin 410s to scrap? is that what you did?

[floral wave]

youre trying too hard

[torpid shuttle]

you mean me?

im one off responding

[floral wave]

ye, some people cant be helped

[torpid shuttle]

heh

[floral wave]

you'll just lose time and possibly sanity

[coral wren]

Where i can find source that describe the pvp meta ?

[floral wave]

google doc in pins

add musashi on top of any fleet and youre good to go

[whole salmon]

It’s not updated with Musashi yet tho

[sour oasis]

You're in #pvp so one ||or both|| of those have already been lost

[trail temple]

I imagine he's help banned for a reason

[floral wave]

lmao, didnt notice

[trail temple]

Just pray the mods get tired of him

[torpid shuttle]

oh, he is

[candid sluice]

you guys arent speaking his language thats why he doesnt understand

[torpid shuttle]

im quitting

[neon bronze]

i'm not quitting until I get AotN

hmm. opinions on Musashi + Seydlitz?

[candid sluice]

why

[north lark]

Seydlitz probably due to New Jersey

[neon bronze]

copium

[north lark]

I run Lutzow, Seydlitz, Musashi. Beats most things assuming my vanguards can hold up enough to reveal enemy CVs. Biggest issue is 100 percent faithful Mafia fleets. I can deal with most other enemies including mafia variants. Do I recommend the fleet? Ehhh. It's workable. But you need to reset a few times depending on opponent.

[neon bronze]

currently doing Vanguard - Warspite retro - Hiryuu retro

[north lark]

Musashi is very strong in pvp. Seydlitz is more replaceable honestly. Mushi is bulky enough to eat NJ barrages without dying.

[neon bronze]

bruh there was a full CV preload fleet I could not beat; i assume the guy had wyverns

don;'t have image rn it's on my phone

[north lark]

That sounds like a vanguard issue more than a backline issue

[north lark]

What's your vanguard?

[candid sluice]

[north lark]

Do you have issues with full preload CV team?

I've only seen 2 to date

[winged depot]

running musashi but has problem with mafias? time to change lutzow

I like the dedication but like if you are running into a problem, best to change it

[north lark]

Nah. It's my vanguard. It's even more jank than my backline. Eugen, Lucky Lou, Drake

[winged depot]

anchorage is basically easy to get and so is juneau

[north lark]

Mhm. I might throw in Anchorage in the future. not enough tech points yet for Anchorage. :/

[neon bronze]

juneau worth getting?

and is Noshiro/Duca basically not needed (without Mafia requirements)?

[torpid shuttle]

noshiro is a counterpart to duca when running shima without veneto

but without mafia req, does that mean aquila fleet or ijn fleet

[neon bronze]

no aquila, weeb i can manage though.

[torpid shuttle]

then juneau is bis for weeb

well

good

[neon bronze]

haven't raised juneau yet because funny blue

[torpid shuttle]

idk when people use ancho + shima + x

[neon bronze]

welp thx to d3 i got her MLB'd... tham ngan ingame then

shit i also don't have NJ... but can Musashi manage in Weeb pvp fleet?

[torpid shuttle]

i think musa is BiS over nj anyways

[neon bronze]

:widepeepohappy:

[tall nimbus]

cant beat the leftmost team rip my season

[neon bronze]

what's the fleets used, opponent and yours?

nvm it's UNULTRA

[neon bronze]

don't mind this comment, not intending to reveal trade secrets

[candid sluice]

theyre not secrets everything is in the pins

[neon bronze]

*open secrets

[floral wave]

theres no hidden secrets to make your fleet unbeatable

[neon bronze]

for musashi, do you guys use twin410kai or izumogun? with hsfcr

[floral wave]

both with hpfcr and twin one, but triple works aswell

triple probably better in non weeb fleets

[neon bronze]

is Shinano better than Hiryuu retro when it comes to Weeb fleets?

[floral wave]

theyre both core

[uncut agate]

you use them together, nobody's better

[whole salmon]

When we mention weeb, it refers to to NJ Hiryuu Shinano, Ancho Shima Juneau

If we refer to their variations, we would say Musashi weeb

Or Harbin weeb

[neon bronze]

ahh, ima use Musashi variant then

[floral wave]

or "ijn"

[whole salmon]

There are particular fleet formats

[floral wave]

how do you call musashi harbin combined

[whole salmon]

• Mafia: NJ VV Aquila, Ancho Shima Duca
• Weeb: NJ Hiryuu Shinano, Ancho Shima Juneau
• Zoomer: NJ Vanguard Aquila, Ancho Shima Harbin
• Seydlitz: NJ Seydlitz Aquila, Ancho Agir Shima

[whole salmon]

If we refer to their variations, it would be Musashi Weeb, Musashi Zoomer, Noshiro Zoomer, etc

We don’t have a term for Musashi fleets yet tho

[floral wave]

didnt Ari name one of early variations yakuza

[whole salmon]

Because there are 3-4 viable Musashi fleets currently

And not all of them follow the format layed out above

• Musashi Zoomer is usually Musashi NJ Aquila Ancho Shima Harbin
• Musashi Weeb is usually Musashi Hiryuu Shinano Ancho Shima Juneau

But we got Musashi NJ Shinano or Musashi NJ Hiryuu, which don’t have names yet

[candid sluice]

if its just a fleet with musashi replacing it u just call it musashi + name of fleet

but if its a new meta fleet with different setup we will consider a name

[zenith lantern]

We probably need some new names, it’s going to get tiring adding Musashi to every name when she’s going to be in every fleet

[oblique silo]

I call Musashi weeb the Yamato fleet

[candid sluice]

yeah the name weeb doesnt fit when theres no uss botes in it

[fading wing]

otaku

[trail temple]

[loud peak]

Ancho and Juneau closet weebs then

[light crystal]

Sushi Dish (Musashi variants)

[empty mesa]

Sushi + NJ = California roll?

[rustic bridge]

Win on this is impossible or

[whole salmon]

I mean no fleet is impossible to beat, it depends what you have on your side

[rustic bridge]

Fleet of nothing

[whole salmon]

[uncut agate]

Stay salty

[rustic bridge]

0 wins from 10 games

[jolly dagger]

[stable dawn]

[cold vessel]

I feel like it's weird that battleships target the vanguard in pvp so often to little effect. From what I've seen so far battleships end up missing most shots against all but the slowest vanguards and so anything that doesn't go into the back line gets basically put to waste, while carriers seem to always utilize their launches to 100%

[untold crater]

Now what happens if your vanguard dies and you only have carriers?

It seems very balanced

[cold vessel]

Yeah, that's a fair point, but the problem is that it seems a bit weird to me, like very black/white. If your vanguard loses while you only have carriers its almost a guaranteed loss, but if your vanguard survives then the effect of the enemy battleships gets reduced by approximately 50-75% which seems to be their miss rate against fast vanguards

So not necessarily favouring either side in that case, but still imbalanced

[zenith lantern]

A lot of it is because people stack speed on their vanguards to dodge the battleships. It also only takes one good hit to nearly kill the vanguard with a battleship.

You can also just use Musashi who pretty much doesn’t miss with her lightning strikes

[merry vale]

Musashi's barrage cleaves both front and backline pretty nicely.

[floral wave]

doesnt cleave backline because backline units are too far away from each other

[whole salmon]

There are other advantages BB can have over CVs in pvp as well. Most BBs are usually tankier than CVs. BBs have shorter firing intervals than CVs. CVs’ damage to frontline can be mitigated using shields and smokes from Harbin or Ancho. CVs’ damage to backline can also be mitigated by simply having high AA or stacking Wyverns.

BBs ofc have consistency issues with their targeting, however BBs with fixed frontal barrages can mitigate this issue. Or if you have Musashi and just have 100% hit rate on lightning strikes . BB’s single target damage is more favored in pvp as “killing the enemy outright” is often better than having the damage spreads out.

Ofc BBs still has the limitation of needing CVs for spotting but CVs are also helpless if your frontline is breached so seems like a fair trade off

[cold vessel]

A lot of it has likely to do with me not having high end gear, I'm currently in the 1000-2000 range

So I don't have good AA/fighters to counteract CVs

Thanks for the explanation

[whole salmon]

If you plan to invest into pvp then 2 Sextuple and 4 Staags at +13 should be enough AA

The other thing you have to focus on is your Wyverns, which you need 1 to 3 at +13

That should give you enough to handle all CV fleets

If you are still afraid then put in 1 Pirate and use Crossbow Aug on CLs

Then have a Juneau

[cold vessel]

Is it worth it putting San Diego into the fleet to counter CV fleets?

[floral wave]

no if you have meta ships

you wont shoot them down completely anyway

[zenith lantern]

I prefer to leave Juneau out and go super aggressive against CV fleets, the biggest weakness of CVs is they are slow. With torpedoes and battleships you can almost win before they even get to attack

It does need gear to do that though

[cold vessel]

kk, thanks for the information

[untold crater]

If one vanguard is alive and the other isnt the BBs target backlines in both cases so idk what u mean

[cold vessel]

I mean that when the enemy vanguard is alive, BBs from my experience usually target the enemy vanguard and end up missing most of their shots unlike CVs, the planes of which usually fully utilize their payload and then their crash damage regardless of the enemy vanguard being alive or not

[untold crater]

rare

most of the time theyre too close so bb fire at backline

[cold vessel]

As I said, idk how it is in the highest end matches. I'm talking about my experience from the top 1000-2000 range

[severe spindle]

Anyone know why i am stuck at Captain?

[floral wave]

because youre losing/missing fights

[severe spindle]

which ones?

[floral wave]

wdym which ones

[severe spindle]

Wdym by losing fights?

[floral wave]

you attack and lose?

or youre 10/10 when reset comes

so you automatically lose 5

[severe spindle]

0/10

[floral wave]

wdym no dude

i havent done a single fight in 4 days and im 200 points above you

people that havent missed a fight are well over 2k points right now

theres 3 resets every day

[severe spindle]

well yea i did miss but havent lose a fight cuz i wont fight the dude with max lvls and oathed, cuz my setup sucks at pvp

[floral wave]

each gives you 5 tickets

if you missed a fight thats equal to losing

[severe spindle]

ok thanks gonna coma back when got a good pvp setup

[floral wave]

why do i think youre misunderstanding "good" pvp setup

theres a really nice google doc in pins here

that also involves budget fleets

[severe spindle]

Thanks for your help

[floral wave]

and if you got musashi you have a top pvp unit thats also very budget compared to others

[knotty cave]

Also that guy with max level oathed ships might not have given them any gear and only had them there to show off

ask me how I know.

[torpid shuttle]

these two week periods have been rough

sometimes i have a whole day where i had to work on stuff

and then i just lose complete motivation after overcapping

[winged depot]

overslept 2 attempts, you love to see it

[floral wave]

just take +0s

it will balance itself out when baggers are top10 with 6/10 left and cant roll higher rank

[sleek heron]

did musashi do anything to change the comp or is mafia still the way to go?

[untold crater]

She is annoying to fight

[sleek heron]

i've noticed that all of my resets lately are from musashi fleets, so not sure if there's an updated attack fleet that's better than the old mafia

[untold crater]

Still not sure what best fleet is but she is definitely in it

[candid sluice]

old mafia was phased out ages ago but sushi created new meta

[untold crater]

Old mafia was still easily viable with little to no resets needed

[candid sluice]

a lot of things are easily viable on attack

[steel coral]

I would know

[coral wren]

vanny > sushi flag?

[rotund cradle]

rest of the fleet ?

[rotund cradle]

then put musashi as flag

[coral wren]

also kronk > azuma?

[rotund cradle]

Vanguard buffs her spread

[rotund cradle]

is azuma fs 5 ?

[coral wren]

no

[rotund cradle]

Then use kron

[coral wren]

alr

kron 118, thats fine right

[rotund cradle]

ehhh, I would get at least 120 first

your azuma is oathed as well so Azuma might be better for now

[coral wren]

alr

[warped hawk]

hiya, is there a current pvp tier list for cn?

[fleet laurel]

best gear for harbin in PvP?

[uncut agate]

Something like this, +13 on the auxes will be better ofc.

[neon bronze]

I FINALLY BEAT A MAFIA FLEET

requires crazy Shimakaze luck though

[whole salmon]

I think it more so requires your ships to be more leveled and have better gear

[neon bronze]

Never knew Vanguard used 406mk6, forgot to swap it out after testing 2 run HelM

[whole salmon]

Those are some copium gear

[neon bronze]

Cba

do i need the +11/+13 on gear?

[whole salmon]

And a lot of other fixing

[candid sluice]

u need to swap out those gears

[neon bronze]

i can feel my coins being snapped out of existence

[whole salmon]

• Hiryuu: Level red skill, use Pirate + Suisei 12A, Aviation Fuel, WNT
• Vanguard: use Staag, AP gun
• Musashi: sword aug, use Seattle aux gun, upgrade to Twin 410 kai
• Noshiro: if you don’t have black aux then use Rainbow Quint Mag, not then Quad Mag, use Staag, Boiler, Rudder, Crossbow Aug
• Shimakaze: change AA to Staag
• Anchorage: Sextuple AA, run Greatsword Aug, run Beaver and Manjuu

[neon bronze]

do i follow the gears in ur sheets document?

[whole salmon]

WNT, Beaver, Manjuu are essentially pvp gears which you should run

[neon bronze]

oki

not bad

but can be better

if i slot Shinano instead (replacing Vanguard), what gears do I use

[whole salmon]

Wyvern Suisei 12A Wyvern

If WNT is on your Hiryuu then Aviation Fuel and Feathee

[candid sluice]

thats what its there for

[neon bronze]

Thank you pink guy

[dreamy lance]

Who hasn't got their AoTN yet?

🙋

[neon bronze]

✋

next season

but as SaltyArrow said of me

"the struggle between education and azure lane pvp"

[sand cape]

is there a new braindead pvp fleet besides the veneto nj aquila anc shima duca fleet since musashi now exists?

[uncut agate]

musashi/nj/aquila + anchorage/shima/harbin; triple BB variation is with Vanguard or UvH replacing Aquila.
musashi/shinano/hiryuu + anchorage/shima/juneau.

[warped hawk]

hello friends, is there a pvp tier list

[uncut agate]

there's one in pins, it's not updated with musashi yet but she basically makes every top fleet better.

[candid sluice]

tell andy to update it

i dont wanna do it

[zenith tide]

update it Andy

[deft escarp]

What's that gold gun on Anchorage?

[neon bronze]

Upgrade to the 203mm IB CA gun, Blücher's gun

[deft escarp]

[rustic bridge]

he or ap gun for pvp

[zenith tide]

both

[rustic bridge]

Heap gun 👀

[onyx skiff]

is it good to use 134mm twin high angle than STAAG for BBs for FP or nah?

[uncut agate]

No, it fires slow and doesn't give hit stat

[merry vale]

For pvp, staag.

[fading wing]

has anyone tested the possibility of using plymouth?

[floral wave]

not yet

dont think anyone that does testing has ply ready

[flat veldt]

<@&472236072743600148>

[reef sedge]

/mute @midnight gyro

[coral wren]

HellFire#9842 got muted.

[leaden jay]

[fallen drift]

Anyone got an AA gear suggestion for Vanguards. Every claiming platform exept gearlab

[dreamy lance]

Sextuple Bofors

[dreamy lance]

https://youtu.be/92DPu29BSmI

[neon bronze]

is Musashi in this fleet not the flagship?

[zenith lantern]

Usually she’ll be flagship unless you want to aim her sword slash at a particular backliner

[rustic bridge]

1 easy fight

[rustic bridge]

1 win and 9 lose

[rich cedar]

In general it’s better to use STAAG, 134mm on BBs is for meta fight minmaxing only

[sour dagger]

I edged in to get those points before reset

[untold crater]

That washy?

[trail temple]

That's washy yeah

@untold crater

[untold crater]

Couldn't remember if lightscape was washy or Lexi

[heady leaf]

Can i reach top 50 if i just have nimi, kawakaze, eugen, taihou, nagato and FDG in exercise?

[trail temple]

Top 50 now? Good luck

Top 50 during first week? Yeah perhaps

But top 50 in first week means nothing, both in merit gain and ego flexing

[candid sluice]

shiver me timbers first place with 100 points

[jolly dagger]

does merit carry over to the next season or do I need to use it

[coral wren]

Merit will remain

[flat veldt]

who won in Amagi?

[steel coral]

is that a rhetorical question?

[trail temple]

Is Unultra gonna win?

Nah, he will win

[candid sluice]

he won when the season started

[uncut agate]

rip

[stable dawn]

sumner representation

[fading wing]

why such the gap between 1st and 2nd

[spice wigeon]

Avrora is a quite competitive place

gg for the pvp focused fellas here

[untold crater]

[trail temple]

<@&472236072743600148> Sussy link

[reef sedge]

/mute 720061894844612638

[coral wren]

The member is already muted.

[reef sedge]

🐌

[leaden jay]

[trail temple]

[untold crater]

How did i miss it

[whole salmon]

4 baggers between 1st and 2nd place kinda overcapped yesterday

[little bobcat]

would nagato/shinano/hiryuu + azuma/ayanami/poi work as an early game pvp fleet?

[untold crater]

Probably not really

[little bobcat]

who should i replace? i don't really have many options

[floral wave]

did you get musashi?

[little bobcat]

yea i have 2 but they're not leveled

i could replace nagato with vanguard or enty

[floral wave]

musashi hiryuu shinano then

and replace azuma with anchorage as soon as possible

[little bobcat]

not working on pr4 until i dev30 fdg so it'll be a while

[floral wave]

welp

have fun in pvp then

juneau worth picking up, or lvling up if you already got her

[little bobcat]

i have her refit and fully geared i just need to level her

[trail temple]

Can always check the pvp sheet for budget fleets

Although, budget fleets assume you don't have UR ships or equips

[little bobcat]

im in a very awkward spot when it comes to ship and gear

[floral wave]

thats to be expected when you lock yourself to pr2

[little bobcat]

was talking moreso in general

[whole salmon]

How many Wyverns do you have

[little bobcat]

no ur gear

not counting yamato gun and table

[coral wren]

Is there a guide that exists that tells us whats the ideal point increase per reset? Thanks

[floral wave]

ideal is anything above base

and its not per reset but per fight

[coral wren]

[uncut agate]

2600

[coral wren]

Big thanks Stryk and NArd

[floral wave]

2600 the dream

[coral wren]

Whats min. Diff, i understand the scr (the points per fight)

[floral wave]

thats minimal point difference for a +1

some of them are not 100% accurate but generally works

[coral wren]

How do I know when I will get a +1?

Or more than +1?

[winged depot]

attack someone that has +35 points than you

[coral wren]

Is 33 good enough for first pvp of first reset? (4/5)

[winged depot]

+12 is 71?

[floral wave]

if youre at first rank, you have 25 base and if you beat someone thst has 15 points more you get 26 instead

first as in the lowest one

33 is good

[coral wren]

Yes sorry it’s confusing thanks

Imma wait until next reset

[floral wave]

ye thats why i clarified

[coral wren]

I hope they move

U have been a big help, thanks a lot, I’ll save that image

Thanks too Veston

[untold crater]

+12 at 3/10 💀💀💀💀

[dreamy lance]

2649 is a very realistic score

[floral wave]

2689 when

[rustic bridge]

My weakes ship make mvp

[supple trout]

Which ammo type are usually better in pvp: HE or AP?

[neon bronze]

AP, sniping those goofy ahh chibis at the backline chilling.

Simply put, most "meta" ships you'll encounter at PvP are either Medium or Heavy armored. AP works better there

[supple trout]

Ty bro

[whole salmon]

Depends on fleet composition

If we are only talking about backline then

If your fleet has a preloader or fast loader BB like Riche, Seydlitz, VV then run HE on them, most meta option currently is MK7

Otherwise, run AP 457 or MK4 on your core BB like NJ

Musashi due to IJN gun requirements is a different case

It also depends on whether you want to make an Anti frontline fleet or an Anti backline fleet

[sleek heron]

so, izumo gun or the gear lab 410mm on sushi for pvp?

[floral wave]

gear lab 410 or 357

[neon bronze]

what makes Mafia good, their consistency against attackers and defenders?

[zenith lantern]

It’s very strong at the vanguard fight, it will almost always win it and can push through to victory from there

But it can’t kill backlines backed up by stall fast enough which is why it loses to weeb

And now it loses to Musashi too because she destroys vanguards so hard

[sacred gorge]

[thorn obsidian]

Is this normal..?

[zenith tide]

yeah

[candid sluice]

whats wrong

[rustic bridge]

Only on to strongfleets

[thorn obsidian]

The one officer and then the 3 seamen ranks

[candid sluice]

well yea look at the rank diff

[thorn obsidian]

yeah but this was upon reset

so i was confused that that could happen

[fading wing]

they rushed

[cursive surge]

Help me with to make a PvP fleet

[candid sluice]

show dock

[neon bronze]

hmm... opinions on Musashi + NJ in PvP? with any CV and Anchorage

[cursive surge]

Is there

[neon bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/alpha-chad-gif-22492339

either go Mafia (NJ, VV, Aquila), Weeb (idk which)

actually a lot of viable PvP comps

[uncut agate]

NJ/Musashi/Aquila + Anchorage/Shimakaze/Duca works, sushi wants a fast gun like twin 356mm/410 kai

[candid sluice]

yea what that guy said go build that

[sour timber]

Norm pvp build?

[ancient skiff]

[lime folio]

Which of the 3 IJN guns are ppl slapping on Musashi?

for pvp

fast proc slow proc or dmg

[torpid shuttle]

fast proc with twin 356/twin 410

[lime folio]

👍

so I guess Vanguard had a quick.. 1 month to shine kek

before being replaced

[torpid shuttle]

it's been four months

[lime folio]

was it

holy fuck my notion of time is fucked

i blame covid

[candid spoke]

So era of mafia is over?

Been using musashi NJ aquila ancho shima and noshiro, been doing good

[torpid shuttle]

still good, but read here that it's weak against weeb cos it cant pressure backline fast enough after vanguard kill

[candid sluice]

[winged depot]

<@&472236072743600148>

[humble geyser]

/mute 521177145968558080

[coral wren]

Omen#8054 got muted.

[brazen socket]

can someone give the gears for the updated weeb comp again

[candid sluice]

Copy paste

[river marsh]

[sacred heath]

I've been away for too long

Tf is a weeb comp

[river marsh]

japanese pvp comp

hiryuu and shinano backline

[sacred heath]

So 2019 is back?

Or I guess 2020. Whatever

[zenith lantern]

A little like that except. It’s not the only good comp and has some pretty hard counters.

[rustic bridge]

Why ramming my fleet all time

[pseudo copper]

<@&472236072743600148>

[untold crater]

<@&472236072743600148>

[leaden jay]

Yes

[pseudo copper]

[leaden jay]

Dealing with now

[neon bronze]

bruh what happened here? scam link again?

[untold crater]

Discord invite