pvp

[floral wave]

2 out of my 6 pvp ships getting called out

wait its 3 with ancho

[candid sluice]

Shiver me timbers manju anchorage

[river marsh]

ancho bad?

[winged depot]

Manjuurage

[river marsh]

[candid sluice]

People using strong ships because they are strong? Shocking

[river marsh]

this wouldn't be a problem if EN wasn't so tryhard

and put strongass defense fleets the entire season

im still salty about that

[trail temple]

Imagine not using meta ships and then complaining that other people are using

Shocking

[winged depot]

I don't, so am I one of those ppl?

I mean I can't

So just make it fast

[trail temple]

But are you whining that other people are using meta ships?

[winged depot]

Oh I was referring to the defense fleet by bataan fanboy

[trail temple]

mb

[candid sluice]

It’s almost like anchorg was meant to be a defensive ship

[river marsh]

[winged depot]

I've nothing to complain but my lack of time since I just played this game since jan. 2022

I still win all my matches though

[untold crater]

Missed the fires

[flat veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/westballz-melee-smashbros-smash-bros-gif-5139384

[inner zenith]

OwO

[uncut agate]

wasn't there a time when Noshiro/Nagami/Jintsuu was the meta fleet? Was that also flawed design?

[charred tinsel]

What's wrong with my fleet
Anything I should change or do?

[untold crater]

Show dock

[trail temple]

Quite a while ago

[oblique silo]

U mad bro?

[steel coral]

Yes, I am mad

[empty mesa]

No Seyd?

[steel coral]

Moon not on shinano

[south leaf]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/973292474447564850/1018550512519487741/IMG-20220911-WA0001.jpg

I need more torps power

MORE

Also i need to max level those low leveled....

[trail temple]

Should have done the Seydlitz comp, to stack as much invul as possible

[oblique silo]

Lol

[honest moon]

Hi mad, i am troll

[thorn obsidian]

What’s the best loadout for her?

[untold crater]

for pvp?

[thorn obsidian]

That’s why it’s posted here

[untold crater]

Sea Hornet, Wyvern, STAAG, Feather, 50/150 Fuel

[thorn obsidian]

Wait.. feather and the fuel from core shop..?

[untold crater]

Feather is not in core shop

Feather from Joffre event

Fuel from core shop yes

[thorn obsidian]

No I meant feather, and the thing from core shop

Auto correct removed the ,

[thorn obsidian]

Ok

[cinder wolf]

[coral wren]

does harbin skill stack with anchorage?

[untold crater]

No

Highest takes prio

[dark urchin]

How to pvp

[frank pebble]

So I posted an idea in suggestions recently, and would like feedback why people disliked it so much if yall wouldn't mind 👍

why would multi-fleet pvp battles be so bad?

[honest moon]

Essentially multiplayer pvp?

[frank pebble]

More like pvp with more than one of your fleets. There could be a "best of 3 fleets" format as well as others.

Since you would be using more than one fleet, people would need more good gear. There would be more variance and people could make counter fleets.

[candid sluice]

bo3 pvp would be time consuming

[frank pebble]

If the devs gave more than one slot for pvp fleets, it may be easier. I mean, we get 2 fleets for subs XD

[untold crater]

Unironically forcing me to move at 15mins

[floral wave]

more fleets with how pvp works currently?

plsno

[uncut agate]

Fight a strong fleet, keep resetting to win, there's your multi-fleet pvp

the rewards aren't worth it

[candid sluice]

rework the ranking system first then we can talk mechanics

[dusky jackal]

seen more Prinz Eugen in people's fleets, is there any reason or people just like her, she seems to just melt before she gets to do anything anyway

Anchorage does her job face tanking but much better

[south leaf]

Higher hp

And easy to obtain

[dusky jackal]

oh true people might not have units unlocked yet

[candid sluice]

funny wifu reason

[floral wave]

defense fleet doesnt equal pvp fleet

[untold crater]

She is garbage in pvp

Most likely just there for waifu or you're very low on the rankings

[dusky jackal]

atm since it just reset i'm in top 200

tho even before reset recently i saw a lot of Eugen

well then they get 1 shot by shimakaze so

[floral wave]

anyone can be top1 at any point except last 15 mins of whole season

bit exaggerated, but thats mostly how it works

and it doesnt mean their defense fleet is an actual pvp fleet

[coral wren]

Had to do PvP today just because of the cruise missions, and have yet to clear them

[knotty cave]

Has there been any testing of Harbin yet, and if so how does she compare to Duca?

[frosty goblet]

[coral wren]

I don't think I've seen anyone use Harbin, ask anyone from Lexy server they're the ones using her

[candid sluice]

Go to aldarns youtube channel

[dreamy lance]

just check youtube everything is there

[knotty cave]

YouTube is generally 🚮 for anything AL related though.

[frosty goblet]

[coral wren]

And you're calling Azur Lane Meta "trash" as well since you said it, that's where i watch vids on how to get a strong fleet for PvP

[knotty cave]

Yes. Yes I am.

[trail temple]

Need NardVPN to get access to the real pvp fleet demonstrations

[tranquil badge]

Hi I'm here to be a lazy bum and copy some homework but what's Harbin's ideal loadout with Anchorage?

[winged depot]

here's someone build for her

[trail temple]

Build around what you want to counter

Usually quad mag or teatorps

[dreamy lance]

Rainbow 533 + Goldburn works for countering aquila if yours is oathed

[zenith lantern]

Harbin is predictably pretty good against Weeb and seems in-line with other options against Mafia. I’ve not had that much chance to test her properly against good fleets yet though. She’s really strong against not as well equipped fleets too, the battles go really fast and you pretty much always finish with all your vanguard alive.

[prisma pagoda]

Harbin GOOD GOOD

[untold crater]

What is that backline

[prisma pagoda]

Same like my opponent

[untold crater]

What server is this

[prisma pagoda]

Vodka server

[untold crater]

week 1 moment

[frosty goblet]

[river marsh]

oath affects pvp stats while fleet tech doesn't

right?

[untold crater]

Yes

[neon bronze]

[leaden jay]

Wait.. with Juneau getting a retrofit, wouldn't that make her even more strong in PvP?

[neon bronze]

i should raise hakuryuu instead of MP to incentivize killing three birds with one stone by using bunnies and 120 shouhou for her CV RLD tech then scrap her

[pseudo copper]

We have no clue on retro skills

[neon bronze]

thank you, guy i'm replying to

will it survive mafia though?

[wicked surge]

To be fair , pvp attackers buff solves a lot of issues

[neon bronze]

probably not. just going to pray that backline survives against it

swapping Shinana gears before PvP battles is pepega. made easier with taht gear swap feature but i never used it once.

atleast I have a Wyvern that I haven't used yet

[wicked surge]

If you can’t beat it, restart the battle until your shima crits them out

[candid sluice]

youre not looking at the right channels

[neon bronze]

basically mainstream channel = bad, niche channel = good?

[candid sluice]

juneau retro gonna make her last longer and proc heal after rest of fleet is dead

[candid sluice]

quite

[neon bronze]

what's the list of reputable yt channels?

[candid sluice]

check the content creators active in this channel

wait nvm they dont have the role

[neon bronze]

are u reputable???

purple name good then

[candid sluice]

if u go to the spreadsheet and go to analysis tab there are links to yt vids of fleet testing

those channels have other pvp vids too

[neon bronze]

toastykaya and brah, got it. any more?

[candid sluice]

last year maybe

[candid sluice]

aldarn i said above

he doesnt have purple name here tho

[neon bronze]

[candid sluice]

and yea brah n kaya are good

but brah is banned from this server

[neon bronze]

he probs there in saekano guild disc

and other AL discords

wait no yukana is there, iirc brah isn't

still... noted though. thx saltyarrow

[pseudo copper]

Brah is too hateful, says USS bad

[candid sluice]

there are links to his yt channel frequently posted here so u can always check it out

[trail temple]

Only boomers write the guides

[candid sluice]

but if u wanna ask him something directly u can ask one of us for his disc

[neon bronze]

no thanks, i don't usually ask someone out for specific info

[candid sluice]

just putting it out there for anyone here who is curious about his vids

[stable dawn]

people read guides for pvp?

Just move at 2m ez

[candid sluice]

en players have skill issue they need guides for everything

[stable dawn]

imagine needing to be spoonfed smh

[candid sluice]

even need a guide for ship nicknames

[stable dawn]

[proud breach]

yes that true

@candid sluice

why all of them have anchorage salty

i don't have her

[coral wren]

Gonna throw all my coins and resources when Juneau retro hits after maint
Gonna do a bit of PvP if there's any difference

[candid sluice]

build her bro shes permanent

[neon bronze]

Smokescreen at the start of the battle, juset like preloaders

Pretty handy for dodging opponent's Shima/Duca torps, Aquila/Perseus/Chise/UniKai airstrikes

[cinder wolf]

perseus good?

[untold crater]

[neon bronze]

perseus is copium for those unlucky enough for no aquila

speaking of aquila. Please rerun Daedalian Hymn

[untold crater]

[somber monolith]

Isn’t the new One Vangaurd Perseus Warspite?

[neon bronze]

what do you mean? curious for the context

[somber monolith]

I remember hearing that Warspite Perseus and Vangaurd beats New Jersey Aquila and Veneto here

[neon bronze]

from my experience... they couldn't

granted my frontline is Noshiro - Shima - Yuudachi retro. if I had Ancho, then it's doable

they're snipers for a reason, beat the backline before the BBs launch their salvos

[neon bronze]

given more investment and luck from your end... Vanguard - Warspire Retro - Perseus can snipe a Mafia fleet. As of the placement in the current meta... imo it's a downgrade compared to unultra's proper Sniper fleets posted by toastykaya and rightfully pinned.

copy the frontline from unultra's fleets lol. i'm too lazy to raise Juneau, you can.

[floral wave]

people have posted like 5 brah vids using perseus recently lmao

[oblique silo]

She definitely is

[sour oasis]

PvP is copium for those who don't get enough PvE

[frank pebble]

Yo, what do yall think of the option to have multiple pvp formations so that you don't need to manually change from BB comps to CV comps and back? 🤔

[uncut agate]

sounds like time wastage because there's no such thing as a CV or BB comp, just one good fleet can beat everything

[floral wave]

id rather have eq lock on pvp fleet similar to support ships in guild boss

[brazen socket]

How viable do you guys think would brest be in pvp

[brazen socket]

Long enough to be here for perseus but not long enough to be here for chitose

[floral wave]

aside from everything else i imagine shed make your vanguard too slow

[brazen socket]

thats what im thinking to

[floral wave]

27 speed vs lets say harbins 33

and you wouldnt run speed aux on her most probably

while you actually can do that on harbin

or any other 3rd slot cl youd be using

[candid sluice]

gets nailed by torps and planes

cb syndrome

[stray niche]

Which is better for Enty?

Her other Aux is gold washing machine

[floral wave]

neither of those 3

[stray niche]

Then what should I put on Enty

[floral wave]

fuel+wnt/feather

[stray niche]

Feather?

[floral wave]

avi+eva aux from joffre event

[stray niche]

ah

Yea i didn’t play during that time

I took a break

[floral wave]

wnt is good

[stray niche]

Thanks

[sour oasis]

Either I've been really bad at rushing or I've slept through four or five tickets.

[floral wave]

whats your points at

[sour oasis]

708 if I go down to 0/10

[floral wave]

hm

thats some overcaps i think, but not 5

[sour oasis]

I rush and miss out on bonuses, but this seems a pretty big miss.

[floral wave]

im at 664 with 5 overcapped

at 0/10

[sour oasis]

Hmm. According to the old old old Reddit guide, I'm about 1 overcapped exercise away from pure no-bonus rushing. So I probably ate two.

[fringe turtle]

Suuuuup guys?!, How is that pvp going???!.

[candid sluice]

Holy fucking shit it’s unultra

[tall nimbus]

we've been blessed by god himself

[coral wren]

The fudge is he here

[fringe turtle]

Hahaha 🤣 glad to see everyone is doing well hahaha 😂

Sup salty, stash, SC. Are those cubes ready for Musashi?.

[candid sluice]

Yessir ready for new meta

Can’t wait to see what new meta fleet you’ll cook up this event

[fringe turtle]

Hahaha 🤣, let's see if Musashi will break the meta

[winged depot]

Oh, its THE guy. Hello

[fringe turtle]

Well I noticed some people use exp feeder sooo, I wanted to try that for the first week at least.

[fringe turtle]

Sup, Vest 🤗

[candid sluice]

Getting exp isn’t hard but raising her affinity takes a while

[coral wren]

Hopefully I'd get Musashi with just 200 cubes

[fringe turtle]

Even harder when you give them the ring x.x

[fringe turtle]

MAY THE FORCE BE WITH US....

[candid sluice]

Too true aff 100-200 takes forever

[proud breach]

Teach me how to become good

[candid sluice]

step 1 be unultra

[proud breach]

[fringe turtle]

Hahaha 🤣

the commandments...

NJ + pre loads + Nukes + anchorage.

Amen.....

Hope Musashi will break that.. something like a shield.... Or a perfect evasion... Or something like that..

It will be interesting 🤔

[south leaf]

I hope musashi has shield break ngl

For extra 50% damage

That would make her more than meta

But still...

[fringe turtle]

Hmm new bosses have a lot of shields lately.

Extra dps is always good. That's true.

[flat veldt]

oh shit, welcome back Unultra!

[fringe turtle]

Thx for the warm welcome 🤗, hope you are ready for Musashi arrive

[flat veldt]

haven't seen you on pvp ladder in a while and then suddenly you showed up with the hardest fleet I fought in a while

[fringe turtle]

Thx very much i'm glad to see the pvp so much ON FIRE!!. Yhea, I was really hyped to finally get the nukes and the black torp for shimakaze but no much time to test it. Hope to see you on top ladders this season too, I'll take a capture if I found you too. Sadly I was not able to play the last 3 days of the last season... T.T

[coral wren]

Yeah haha

[south leaf]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/516906287628419095/996494213845880952/IMG_20220713_003813.jpg

[south leaf]

Black torps? You mean this?

Yeah that torp is very rare to seen

[knotty cave]

It's in core data shop now.

[south leaf]

????

But i don't seen it

[uncut agate]

it's not there, dw

[knotty cave]

wait, then where did I get one...

[uncut agate]

event shop

[knotty cave]

Oh right, Aurora Noctis shop, which reran recently.

[south leaf]

Avrora event

...

Well i only have one so

Extra thicc damage

[fringe turtle]

Yup, Shimakaze the fastest nuclear silo

[south leaf]

Jintsuu, noshiro and shimakaze is a nuclear warcrimes

[dreamy lance]

The best pvp players in the game

[torpid shuttle]

i was thinking about that

cos i read the meta here before

personally my backline gets sniped and i need juneau to get sniped faster

[south leaf]

Aquila snipe? Goldburn is the solution

[torpid shuttle]

i dont use aquila

but what do yall think about that convo

[candid sluice]

Lemme guess, gph channel?

[torpid shuttle]

yeah

it happened cos

i remember a small convo from this channel and said if juneau retro made her tankier

then it would be worse for pvp

[candid sluice]

If u ask for pvp advice in gph then you’re just asking for shit takes

[torpid shuttle]

it was more

discussing juneau retro

and part of it was pvp

and then got takes

[frigid hamlet]

imagine discussing something instead of spamming "datamine when?"

[dreamy lance]

people saying juneau isn’t tanky enough havent seen the lengths people go to make her die

she is too tanky

[candid sluice]

Need a hp reduction aux

[dreamy lance]

Unoathed juneau is the meta

[candid sluice]

Unoathed lvl 120 new meta

[torpid shuttle]

huh

maybe ill keep my 120

i was planning on 125 in a farther future

[cinder wolf]

man gph is something else

[tall nimbus]

guys is musashi good in pvp?

[untold crater]

Only if used with Seydlitz fleet

[tall nimbus]

seydlitz hiryuu musashi stall fleet?

[candid sluice]

With Juneau retro new meta

[tall nimbus]

dat juneau retro skill

[lime rivet]

Juneau: 70% chance to barrage on being hit, heals vg for 1%, 18s cd, triggers once upon entering battle
pvp only: doesn't sink when heal triggers, 1 trigger per match, ie she heals herself back up to 25%

[neon bronze]

ima rather just wat

wait

wait

have her be copium for my lack of NJ

[lime rivet]

CN actually does think juneau gets shanked too quickly in pvp because of preloads

...which may be why juneau has a retrofit now

[candid sluice]

Lol cn opinions on pvp

[neon bronze]

makes sense

though i usually pray for my shima torps to like hit a backline ship

[lime rivet]

altina confirms juneau retro skill activates before damage control

[tall nimbus]

my juneau too tanky with seyd nelson flag + wnt

[candid sluice]

Who’s putting manju aux on juneau in the first place

[tall nimbus]

not me

[candid sluice]

Not even white does that cus he has it on enty

[sand prism]

Does this mean byebye shima?

[tall nimbus]

bye bye harbin

[candid sluice]

2 preload > 1 preload

Holy shit I’m literally shivering and timbering

[thorn ingot]

i’d gladly put musashi in my fleet to at least have some chance against nj fleets

[sand prism]

Enemy musashi will tank those damage heading to nj

[lime rivet]

datamine doc out in #gameplay-help

[tall nimbus]

is there acv in pvp?

[uncut agate]

pvp is at air parity

[tall nimbus]

musashi flag dreams are alive

[sour oasis]

This just makes Trump wall stronger.

[sour oasis]

Wait so someone in CN cares about PvP?

[neon bronze]

helo, i wanna have advice regarding pvp fleet. this time, it very detailed (with gears yikes), do I use imgur

[untold crater]

Show current fleet

[distant void]

[neon bronze]

Vanguard - WarKai - Perseus || Anchorage - Shimakaze - Yuudachi Retrofit; Anchorage replaced Noshiro since last time I got help from u guys.

[candid sluice]

wheres the gear

[uncut agate]

maintenance

[untold crater]

Swap yuudachi and noshiro

[trail temple]

@fringe turtle The PvP god is back to terrorise the PvP ladders again

[neon bronze]

Still eating

Sending the entire dock and majority of depot. I wanna make a better pvp fleet.

[candid sluice]

dont talk while u eat man smh

[fringe turtle]

Hahaha 🤣, glad to see you again asian 🤗

Hope this update can be done fast enough

[torpid shuttle]

how much of it is "related effects"?

[candid sluice]

screen damage

[fringe turtle]

The crash damage... That will break the pvp XD.

Again....

[torpid shuttle]

what?

what's unscreen dmg

and sakawa looks like a worse duca

[fringe turtle]

When the planes or boats crashes at the end.

[candid sluice]

read the part between "flutter defense"

thats what it is referring to

[flint python]

Read

[torpid shuttle]

ah, it said end screen dmg so like

i thought it was end of battle dmg numbers

and it doesnt make sense with taking dmg

[candid sluice]

no like edge of screen dmg

[torpid shuttle]

ohhh ok

[candid sluice]

plane suicide bote submarine etc etc

[torpid shuttle]

ok ok, ty

[candid sluice]

at least from the skill desc thats what it means

but this games code is 🍝 so who knows

[torpid shuttle]

and u guys dunno if

it's a negation/she tanks it?

[candid sluice]

thats what ive been asking

no one seems to have a conclusive answer

will just have to see for ourselves

[torpid shuttle]

alr

[torpid shuttle]

i literally read and didnt understand, and am posting what i read

[candid sluice]

translators just translate the datamines they dont know exactly how the skills work

gotta ask a cn player for that

or wait and try urself

[torpid shuttle]

ill take it as flutter defense disabled(?)

since the aggro thing when cvs are revealed sounds part of related effects in pvp

yeah

[torpid shuttle]

yea i will

[neon bronze]

done eating

here's the dock: backline

frontline

CV planes

BB guns and vanguard torps.

Please help in making PvP fleet

sorry for image spam

oh forgot about vanguard auxillaries

minor issue. oh well i'll just follow some material for that

[candid sluice]

if u gonna do a photo dump like that better to just link an imgur album

[neon bronze]

2 lazy

ok then, deleting embeds

[candid sluice]

much easier to sort thru album

[torpid shuttle]

the culture difference btwn #pvp and #gameplay-help is big

[neon bronze]

@/mods plz add thread feature in #pvp

nvm it would only benefit #gameplay-help users

[untold crater]

Useless

[candid sluice]

we dont do cringe in this channel

[trail temple]

It's why people who promote manjuu nj get shamed

It's like being on the wall of shame, only worse

[untold crater]

[tranquil badge]

Are you guys gonna run Anchorage, Juneau and Harbin together or does Shimakaze still have a spot among them from a defense perspective?

[neon bronze]

harbing

harbin does have smokescreen which may come in handy

all shimakaze provides to the table in defense fleets is to hopefully delete health off

[tawdry roost]

is this a skin for purple bulin??

[untold crater]

Yes

Free skin that ran

[torpid shuttle]

musa shinano hiryuu

will test

[random radish]

Retro juneau or non retro for pvp

[torpid shuttle]

retro doesnt impact pvp

dies normally

[random radish]

So if I retro her she will still die first? Cause I don't want her getting tanky

[torpid shuttle]

gains like 140 hp? or 210 idk how much that node is

[random radish]

So it's ok?

[untold crater]

Yes

She don't die but her skill still goes soff

[candid sluice]

Retro and set her as main tank

[random radish]

Ok

[torpid shuttle]

oh well yeah

oh maybe that catches another airstrike

[flint sun]

is it better to use manjuu on Juneau retrofit?

[winged depot]

Manjuu is usually on anchorage for me

[split ferry]

So thoughts on Juneau retro for PVP?

trying to catch some impressions.

[fading wing]

appears to be bugged, just immediately sank in my fights, so cant say

Just a juneau with better AA atm

[whole salmon]

Mhm can anyone spot the difference between the Juneau of these 2 vids

[untold crater]

Weird

[whole salmon]

Here’s the answer

Double Manjuu stall

[untold crater]

Jes

[winged depot]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/479676955411873802/1011874158315065454/01A81739-2D8D-4596-8230-F385021ED006.gif

[whole salmon]

Case 1: No Manjuu in fleet, Juneau works as intended

Case 2: Another ship has Manjuu, Juneau now gets Manjuu

Case 3: Juneau has Manjuu, if the damage dealt to Juneau is higher than Juneau current HP + 25% total HP, Juneau dies, Manjuu no proc

Very weird bug situation

[prisma pagoda]

[errant cipher]

would anchorage juneau retro and seattle be a good just flat unkillable vanguard?

[floral wave]

no

why seattle

[errant cipher]

uhhh, cuz i wanna use her give me someone else who never ever dies for any reason ever

[floral wave]

thats not possible

whats possible tho is using a good vanguard pvp ship

[winged depot]

you could use yukikaze

[floral wave]

like

shimakaze or harbin

or noshiro

[errant cipher]

fine, i just wanna never die smh

ill use shimi

[floral wave]

thats not gonna happen

[errant cipher]

i want it to take as long as possible

[floral wave]

you can stall at best, cant "never die"

[winged depot]

yeah since you have shima, just use her

no one has a "never die front" since the meta backlines are cracked

[trail temple]

I assume you want it for def, there's attacker bonus to consider as well

attacker advantage*

[sour oasis]

That's... Never going to be in they game right?

[floral wave]

it is in the game right now

[sour oasis]

There's a 2nd manjuu item

Why

[floral wave]

oh

no

theres no 2nd manjuu item

juneau retro bug

[sour oasis]

Bugs . Of course

[whole salmon]

This vid here

The Manjuu item is on Ancho

But Juneau can still proc Manjuu

[sour oasis]

What.

[whole salmon]

It is what it is

[floral wave]

guess the part of the skill that says

[sour oasis]

[floral wave]

skill procs before manjuu

somehow involves whole fleet?

[sour oasis]

I can't wait to see what else breaks when this gets fixed.

[floral wave]

instead of just juneau

but no, its skill procing together with manjuu

[whole salmon]

Double Manjuu stall exist because the devs mess things up

As per usual

[sour oasis]

Which is a normal dev SNAFU

[whole salmon]

Whether they fix it or not then I don’t really care

And I don’t think most players do either

If they fix it then good

If they don’t then I will build around it

[floral wave]

with how it works now, yeah

would be way worse if she made any manjuu NOT work

[whole salmon]

In all honesty

As much as we meme double manjuu

It doesn’t really do anything

Since Juneau heal still procs before her bugged Manjuu proc

Which means afterwards even tho she is there

She is kinda useless

[floral wave]

its just that she might stay alive few seconds longer

not a big diff

[whole salmon]

And it’s not like Juneau can now out tank Ancho or something

It doesn’t really matter in the long run

It’s just funny that it exists at all

[strong vault]

I was about to ask about this. Shes activating Manjuu aux even though she doesnt have one right?

[floral wave]

yes

[dreamy lance]

Seattle is good

[floral wave]

"flat unkillable" good?

[dreamy lance]

If you gear correctly she is tankier than noshiro and maybe duca

Especially if you consider nj damage reduction

[snow ibex]

im dumb when it comes to pvp but I don't get how people have like 20+ points ahead all the time since season reset
i didn't miss any of the restocks too

[dreamy lance]

They take bonuses

and don't eat 9

[snow ibex]

what does that mean

[dreamy lance]

they always fight people higher ranked than them, and they wait for others on their list to do pvp so they can get bonus points

[snow ibex]

how should i know if the person on my list has done pvp or not tho

[lavish mulch]

Any ships good for pvp?

[dreamy lance]

Look at rank difference

[snow ibex]

i see

[arctic sluice]

Bruh I literally just did 10 exercises and I didn’t get lucky E proc once

Holy damn was there a hidden patch or something? I literally haven’t got it once in 50+ attempts

70% my ass

[flint python]

enty

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/905366489333370922/999925606747746314/938337971831181343-3.gif

[finite wraith]

[rocky shadow]

Guys, how do you think about juneau retrofit skill?

[trail temple]

It's good

[royal beacon]

Musashi or Vanguard for pvp

[prisma pagoda]

In this case...
What I always do is attack the second or third, is that I have 1013... rushing I get 12*3 points = 36
Which leaves me literally with 1049... means that the next attack I can save it for when I have 10/10 and get 14 points (If some rushes)

Is there any other better option?

[oblique silo]

Attack leftmost

[untold crater]

Take bonus and hope for a few more

If not take 2 +11 and go to 1049 correct

[prisma pagoda]

I am going to copy and google translate, what my master told me

Kiki_: What you are choosing is the safe path, in fact there is no better one, I'll explain why

Let's take as final result to use 4 more attacks...

Your option is to secure the 2 points of attack 4, assuming that you are going to leave it at 10/10

Your idea is 1049, and someone rushes... possibility of getting 14 instead of 10 or 11 or 12, because they are more points per se.

1049 + 14 = 1063

▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬
The other option is to attack the first one, from now on route B:

If you now use 1 attack... you have 1027 points (Rush of 2 attacks... + 24 points guaranteed... which will give you 1051 points...)

On route B... just like yours... (on attack 4) let's say someone rushes... which means I might get 1 or 2 points

1051 + 11 = 1062 points...

The current rank is 1074... and you have 1013 taking my route... no extra points minus the first attack is the same as 1013 + 14 + 12 + 12 + 10 + 10 = 1071 with literally 3 attacks left over... which leaves you at Rank 6 - 10

3 attacks is 30 points... you need 70 difference from RALH, ​​it is very unlikely to get +2 on route B... because you would need someone who reaches rank 1 - 5

What remains in 1 point of difference between your route and route B.

But the difference is that once I made my first attack... I still have 2 attacks to make...

The difference between points in Captain is 23.5 points...

If you make the first attack I will have 1027 points

Rank 1 - Your rank = 1074 - 1027 = 47 points

What there are no more 2 points, only 1... if in the second attack someone rushes you can get 1 point...

Which leaves you at 1027 + 13 = 1040

Rank 1 - Your rank = 1074 - 1038 = 34

You still have a +1 chance (Let's face it...what's the chance?...pretty low...but let's say he gets this chance)

Which leaves 1040 + 11 = 1051

Rank 1 - Your rank = 1074 - 1051 = 23 points

Now you just save your 5 attacks because you can't get +1
[10:48 AM]Kiki_: And in the next one you just wait for someone to rush, but the chances of getting +12 are almost zero.... but... you do...

1051 + 12 = 1063

A route with a lot of RNG necessary to achieve the same

Kiki_:
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[10:50 AM]Kiki_: And the last option even better than the second in possibilities... is to attack the fourth... you lose -1 point but you keep 1048... attack 4... you get +14 = 1062

[cinder wolf]

just attack leftmost kappa

[prisma pagoda]

I attacked the third... I liked his fleet...

[stable dawn]

RIP bonuses

[trail temple]

This is a clear case of a tl;dr being required

[uncut agate]

tl;dr 5/10 1049 is better than 1051.
atleast that's what I'm understanding.

[trail temple]

Oh I got what he was saying

[untold crater]

Basically would take that +14, if no other bonuses, would take 2 +11 for 1049, if i did get another bonus, i would be 1053

[trail temple]

I'm more impressed he managed to drag on something that could be summarised in a couple of sentences into War and Peace

[trail temple]

+11s are buggy at Capt

[untold crater]

Skill issue

[trail temple]

Yukana clearly unaware

[untold crater]

I found my solution i don't run into +12 problem anymore

If you can't figure out how to get always +11 from +12 base then no comment

[prisma pagoda]

I watched the math error... but is hard do get it

[trail temple]

It's okay dude, Yukana is messing around with you. You're doing the right thing

[untold crater]

....?

[stable dawn]

just yolo leftmost until they start ranking below you. Anyway you'll be #1 eos on most servers

[untold crater]

1053>1049

[untold crater]

1013->1027->1038->1049 (if i didn't get that second bonus)
1013->1027->1041->1053 (if i did get that 2nd bonus)

[prisma pagoda]

But there is no option to get +14 after first attack

[untold crater]

what

Bonus based on point difference

[prisma pagoda]

Difference btw me and rank 1 = 1074 - 1027 = 47 points

[untold crater]

Yes, now

There are 9h left

Until the next reset

[prisma pagoda]

[untold crater]

A lot of players will move by then

[stable dawn]

rank 1 is most certainly a rusher who is 0/10

[prisma pagoda]

[untold crater]

Expect 20-30+ people will be a +14 by reset

Much higher odds then

[prisma pagoda]

Can I ping u for next questions?

[untold crater]

Yes

[oblique silo]

Bruh

[neon bronze]

actually based

[neon bronze]

Nearly lost because of a weak ass comnection

Vanguard - Shinano - Hiryuu was the opponent's backline

Anf Hiryuu already proc'd her Final Counter

[candid sluice]

are u using sea wifi

[neon bronze]

sadly yes

made worse by my fat ass probably blocking some signals

[candid sluice]

i feel your pain man

those jumping manjus are the bane of my existence

[neon bronze]

the only thing that my country's "fastest" ISP is good at is the speed of the internet bills.

[untold crater]

Just close app

[neon bronze]

Sometimes the app go pepega

On other times its the wifi that goes pepega

[untold crater]

?

You can't close the app...?

[stable dawn]

wow I wonder who made that

[royal beacon]

Percy is good

[candid sluice]

can we pin that

[neon bronze]

percy is copium for those with no aquila

[neon bronze]

what's with 2589? the least amount of points needed to be #1?

[floral wave]

yeah brah's series totally proved that

[neon bronze]

what's the tl;dr i haven't watched the vids yet

[stable dawn]

It's the official cutoff score for being good at the game

[floral wave]

tldr is percy works

[stable dawn]

[neon bronze]

why do ppl joke about manjuu nj, is there something inherently bad about it?

here*

[stable dawn]

[neon bronze]

this the kind of shit am i waiting for 1 more year to pull off by myself, ain't it??? right?

[floral wave]

wut

[neon bronze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/938844055008313344.webp?size=64

[oblique silo]

There isn’t

It’s BiS for NJ because it guarantees she fires her first salvo and possibly an extra salvo during the battle

[candid sluice]

its at the bottom of the iceberg for a reason

[trail temple]

White shell NJ
Manjuu NJ

[candid sluice]

you messed up the order

[trail temple]

Nah, it's the right order for the southern hemisphere

[zenith lantern]

So if I get all the iceberg memes does that make me a boomer PvPer?

[neon bronze]

has anyone won against a mafia fleet with a single bulin in ur attacking fleet?

curious

other frontline ships are ok, e.g. ancho - shima - bulin

Only requirement is that there must be a bulin of any rarity

[untold crater]

won with 3:1 fleet so yea

[civic adder]

my pvp vanguard is anchorage/shimakaze/duca, who should I replace with Juneau retro?

backline is mafia fleet

[untold crater]

Nobody

If you want to use Juneau use a different backline

[civic adder]

hm.... I guess, since my pvp fleet atm is synergized very well

then, if I DO want to use Juneau, what backline should be used?

[untold crater]

Hiryuu/Shinano/NJ or VG/Aquila/NJ

[civic adder]

thx

[thorn obsidian]

juneau worth running with manjuu now since retro or no?

[untold crater]

Currently she already has a manjuu

Unless the bug is fixed

But answer is no, manjuu on Juneau is not needed

[floral wave]

its fixed already

[untold crater]

dev op

[trail temple]

Fixed about 11-12 hours ago

[spark field]

Who should I take off in the future?

[flint python]

in the future? All of em

well Helena can maybe get some use

[spark field]

I see

Well I'm currently pulling on the ur banner who would replace who from it, also is the meta ship from the cruise thing good or not

[void geyser]

You can keep Unicorn Portland, Helena and Shouhou if thats her name does some healing too. Her and Portland can be replaced later than Laffey and Erebus but Helena and Unicorn are def ships usefull in late game

[winged depot]

this is uh, pvp channel and tbh pvp is not beginner friendly. But losing gives you merit and exp so its all good

[candid sluice]

if youre a new player u can send your dock here and see if we could build a better fleet

[spark field]

Oops i didn't pay attention to the right server sorry😅

[winged depot]

yeah, I kinda noticed since it doesn't have the save option on the bottom left

[spark field]

I'll send what I have in #gameplay-help

[candid sluice]

oh it was a gph question

[sour oasis]

Is 72k Enty still possible? ||I vaguely remember that was a thing for defenses||

[untold crater]

[stable dawn]

[river marsh]

where's the pvp fleet maker again?

nvm found it

[trail temple]

Would it be appropriate to get this pinned?
https://x94fujo6rpg.github.io/AzurLaneFleet/

[floral wave]

id stil say iceberg takes priority

[stable dawn]

[rocky shadow]

Do you expect newbie to beat meta fleet?

[winged depot]

I have said nothing about newbies beating meta fleets, are you reading it wrong?

[rocky shadow]

Yeah you not mention it, but pvp in any game basicly not friendly to newbie

[winged depot]

so what was the point you are trying to get to me

[floral wave]

pvp not family friendly content, needs to be removed immediately

[grave shore]

anyone has a link for that bilibili AL tournament

[rose bridge]

[sour oasis]

OpSi still a mistake

[torpid shuttle]

have instaraised musashis been tested in pvp yet

[floral wave]

testing also needs a proper enemy

which is somewhat rng

[autumn mural]

Currently running this fleet here, would enty instead of nagato better?

[untold crater]

NJ?

VG?

[autumn mural]

No ur aside shinano

Musashi isnt ready and people still need to test her if she is good in pvp i guess

[untold crater]

i guess level and refit juneau

work on the frontline

[autumn mural]

I purposely left Juneau weak so she could die sooner (manjuu + pearl)

Because nagato was getting sniped or preloaded to death way too early

So shinano and hiryuu werent getting buffed

[untold crater]

she is 120

[autumn mural]

Until she gets a retro or something i wont make her 125

[untold crater]

Level difference causes her to take more damage

[autumn mural]

Yeah i know it is 10% more dmg, but i dont like nagato so much to make her 125

I like her but not her base skin i guess

And her 40% barrage is annoying

[untold crater]

But I guess you can try a Percy/WK/Hiryuu/Ancho/Helena/Juneau

[autumn mural]

Who is wk again

[untold crater]

Warkai

Warspite retro

[autumn mural]

Oh i think warkai is expensive for what she has to offer

I like her but i need resources elsewhere for now

[untold crater]

PvP is an investment

Looking at your FP seems you lack some equips

[autumn mural]

My ancho isnt ready yet

[autumn mural]

Yeah i swap gears often

I dont use that fleet on pve at all

Unless shinano bossing

[thorn ingot]

how’s musashi in pvp

[torpid shuttle]

is juneau 125 with pearl tear gyroscope still too tanky?

[torpid shuttle]

untested

[keen shale]

Is formidable still viable in pvp?

[uncut agate]

was she ever viable in pvp? 🤔

[river marsh]

[flint sun]

wait vg is better than veneto in pvp in certain fleets now?

also why does manjuu nj get shamed lol

[uncut agate]

yes

[flint sun]

damn, TIL

what about mine?

[uncut agate]

make juneau main tank

[flint sun]

vg or keep viridescent Veneto

[uncut agate]

keep her

[flint sun]

Whar teams are vanguard usually best in?

also why is manjuu nj shunned upon

[uncut agate]

check pins for pvp tierlist. replace vv & duca with vanguard & harbin/noshiro in a standard mafia, that's a good team

vanguard is also pretty good in triple bb fleet and warspite snipe fleet

[uncut agate]

people have different opinions on that, i don't care about it tbh. manjuu nj is sometimes good, sometimes bad

[flint sun]

alrighty thanks for the help

have people come to a conclusion about musashi in pvp?

[uncut agate]

not yet

[flint sun]

sorry bout all the questions lol, waddabout juneau gear for pvp

[neon bronze]

very much the same, juneau kai is basically a bit more dmg plus some proc. don't know abt the details about the proc

[uncut agate]

something like this

[flint sun]

shit, why these specifically

Mine is so violently different LOL

pearl twin 128 etc..

[uncut agate]

twin 128 is fine

[flint sun]

Pearl is no longer a jesus item anymore? Or do I put it on someone else?

[uncut agate]

try experimenting a bit

[flint sun]

Maybe on duca I have no idea lol

[candid sluice]

still testing juneau retro positions and equips for optimal setup, u should test what works for your fleet specifically

[untold crater]

Pearl is good for retro juneau

[flint sun]

so boiler pearl juneau?>

I mean bulge pearl

[untold crater]

It she's dying too early bulge, otherwise boiler or even gyro

[thorn obsidian]

bugle is good for her now?

I need to lvl Juneau up faster, this was too close

[candid sluice]

always has been

[opal ether]

good for pvp

?

[untold crater]

That vanguard is toast

[opal ether]

yeah LMAO dunno what vanguard to put

i got no agir

asuma drake

[untold crater]

Ancho/Shima/Juneau/Noshiro

Show dock

[opal ether]

wait my ancho is still dev 21 still on the works, dont have shima juneau still low level.

[lethal wagon]

Has anyone tried the new 460 on Vittorio?

[opal ether]

non i think

[lethal wagon]

Do you think it would be good? Combined with her fastload

[flint python]

Low level jun still usefull just use manjuu

[sudden crane]

This a decent PvP fleet?
I looked at some of the meta teams, should I start raising a hiryuu?

[untold crater]

Over monarch yes

As for the vanguard, try Ancho/Helena/Juneau

[dull grove]

any common way to deal with anchorage in PvP? I see lot of ppl using her. I play torpedo focused ijn comp. And once i see anchorage its rip mostly

[candid sluice]

attack her outside of her smoke uptime

[oblique silo]

https://youtu.be/aaSBbzeghA0

[late sigil]

just finished Juneau kai... Which would be better for comp for pvp? with abruzzi or with shima? (or with others?)

gonna try later

[untold crater]

Forget Juneau lol

Shima/Duca better

[sudden crane]

Still going through PR3 so Ancho will take a while but I can start using Juneau

Thanks for the recommendation!

Would any more standard carriers be better than Monarch? (Enterprise, Unikai, Joffre etc)

[brazen socket]

How relevant is musashi in pvp?

[floral wave]

vid 6 messages up

also this

shes "quite" good

[brazen socket]

how does that fleet fair against mafia

[floral wave]

that fight was against 16/14.8k non oathed mafia

but the channel that vid from earlier is on

should also have mafia

iirc

[brazen socket]

I think I found it. ty

[coral wren]

What makes Juneau good for pvp??

[brazen socket]

if juneau die = big heal

[nova hinge]

Juneau Kai wont die anymore

[floral wave]

she does

[nova hinge]

if she takes lethal damage she heals everyone and then resurrects like jesus christ

[floral wave]

and dies again 1 sec later

[nova hinge]

Yeah, if she got hit again

[torpid shuttle]

my fav part is her heal and pearl heal staggers a tiny bit

[candid sluice]

So who do we give manju to now that musashi replaced nj

[merry vale]

When in doubt, Anchorage.

[royal beacon]

Musa better than nj now?

[oblique silo]

Higher DPS and a lot more tanky

[brazen socket]

wait, in mafia comp??

Whats the comp looking rn?

https://youtu.be/CJ5DOO8LOeo

Im watching this rn and musa replaced vv/vanguard

[tall nimbus]

probs in weeb fleet

but tbh if i was using weeb, id just get rid of hiryuu instead of getting rid of NJ

[late ridge]

jw, do you have to gear ships differently for pvp or should i be fine w the gear from campaign and OS

[floral wave]

differently

there should be sheet with comps and gears in pins so you can get general idea

[oblique silo]

Musashi is the best with this

[brazen socket]

[floral wave]

meanwhile my backline still below 17k because musashis gun choice

[winged depot]

what equipments does musashi have?

[winged depot]

ohh the only thing I was wrong was the main gun, tnx

[royal beacon]

beaver good for backlines?

[oblique silo]

It is for stall fleets and it allows you to put another gear on vanguard instead

[floral wave]

@oblique silo any particular reason for musashi bottom? think you used her top earlier

or was it ari

[oblique silo]

I switch her around based on what the enemy fleet is

[floral wave]

sword smash snipe

[dreamy lance]

Hiryuu is what makes ijn team work

it is quite difficult to guarantee sustain without her

[untold crater]

Can't count the amount of times my NJ barrage goes to invul Hiryuu lol

[oblique silo]

Same with torps

[dreamy lance]

Hiryuu at flag is the best position for tanking backline killers, it is actually unfair to have 15s invulnerability and guaranteed 2 airstrikes

[tall nimbus]

probs just the difference with the teams we use for attack then

[tall nimbus]

pretty much the same logic why i use seydlitz instead of whoever BB everyone uses in mafia

[sacred gorge]

heres my meme fleet guide that probably could be written up way better
probably relies too much on RNG and +13 gear
i use this fleet for everything and its surprisingly powerful lmao

[untold crater]

Tool box lol

[candid sluice]

Notes

• ineffective against everything

[untold crater]

Ineffective against good ships
Effective against bad ships

[stable dawn]

The real pvp gatekeeper

[sacred gorge]

Possible ineffective
Depends on the fleet and power and rng

Like sometimes can easy defeat 3 cv
Sometimes 1 cv is too much

[torpid shuttle]

what's the benefit to ijn fleet even

feels like i do no dmg

but i have beaten some usually hard fleets

[untold crater]

Higher WR

[torpid shuttle]

ill just rescreen it real quick

[untold crater]

It does crazy amount of damage, that's it's appeal

[torpid shuttle]

ok, i've readjusted my equips

but ill still repost what i plan to use

[torpid shuttle]

I wasnt using this just earlier, but ill be trying it again

[floral wave]

one more wyvern on nano

[torpid shuttle]

i have a +13 champy, you think that snipe is better than 457? or no

[floral wave]

and suisei

[torpid shuttle]

suisei 12a?

[floral wave]

ye

[torpid shuttle]

can build it for fun, no more wyvern tho

[floral wave]

breguet?

[torpid shuttle]

ye

ah

alr

[floral wave]

wnt on flagship

beaver on vang

[torpid shuttle]

can i just rudder vang? and heard wnt was comparable to frontier

i do have hiryuu flag at least

[floral wave]

except enemy aquila does more damage aswell

but it might work i guess

[torpid shuttle]

i may or may not 125 hiryuu, how's she faring still

[floral wave]

if you really dont want to take beaver off ancho you might try with current setup

depends on how many strikes she gets off tbh

[torpid shuttle]

i just wanna be lazy, so i asked rudder vang to combo with w14 clears

[floral wave]

shes there to soak damage

[torpid shuttle]

ok, ill run 120 hiryuu for a bit

[floral wave]

gotta see for yourself, if youre lacking dmg youll need to 125 hiryuu/add wyvern etc

[torpid shuttle]

rest of the equips fine? ive bruguet, suisei 12a, frontier medal for now

[floral wave]

juneau off or main tank?

[torpid shuttle]

main

[floral wave]

k, then its just trial and error to see how well it works out

[torpid shuttle]

sometimes i off tank her if a fleet has really weird kill time on my backline

and juneau just dies too early

but that's rare

[floral wave]

oh

sec

fuel on hiryuu/nano

[torpid shuttle]

oh right, use more fuel

[floral wave]

nano has it nvm

[torpid shuttle]

but still hiryuu

[floral wave]

could also use feather instead of cata on nano if you have it

[torpid shuttle]

mmmmmmmm, ok

i had feather for indep 14, i can make do tho

what did you think about +13 champy and +10 457?

[floral wave]

champy is just too slow

it really is important to shoot first

or earlier

[torpid shuttle]

alr, ill get two suisei 12as for hiryuu and shina then

[floral wave]

nah

hiryuu is fine with diver

you want nano to be faster with crash dmg

[torpid shuttle]

oh, assumed there was crash dmg or smth

[floral wave]

hiryuu gets 2 strikes guaranteed anyways

minimum

[torpid shuttle]

alr

[floral wave]

if you have a tenrai you can slap it on hiryuu aswell

or when you get it

[torpid shuttle]

that'll be when but im around 40 bps

[floral wave]

oh and scepter on carriers preferably

[torpid shuttle]

some time or other i will

[untold crater]

[winged depot]

anything needs changing? and yes I have no shima yet

[wicked surge]

I feel like yuudachi Kai would be more capable

[winged depot]

poi is still in 2 days for me so can't test yet

[floral wave]

fuel instead of cata on nano, fire extinguisher instead of black torp on ykkz

[winged depot]

should poi be better than ykkz

[floral wave]

probably bulge on juneau and ancho

idk tbh, you want to stall for backline to do the job

and musashi provides enough frontline pressure

[winged depot]

so ykkz stays?

[floral wave]

youd have to test yourself which one fits more

id probably keep ykkz

[untold crater]

Sea hornet hiryuu

[floral wave]

oh, bf109

[untold crater]

Drake gun ancho

[floral wave]

didnt notice

[winged depot]

been using the same vg and ykkz survives 30% more than ancho

can't get drake gun atm

[untold crater]

That gun is good until you have drake gun then

[winged depot]

is the blucher gun better than my current one?

[untold crater]

idk actually

[winged depot]

if bulge on juneau should I remove the gyroscope then

[untold crater]

Yeah

[neon bronze]

why that gun specifically for Musashi on pvp

[merry vale]

Not syncing with helena so the extra barrage procs are worth their weight in gold.

[winged depot]

fast gun

no, you just need fast gun in "pvp"

[untold crater]

Need IJN gun for musashi

460 and Izumo too slow it seems

[cunning jay]

how much change did the retrofit bring for juneau?

[bronze hedge]

What is the meta team now? Is it still itallian with NJ?

[rich shale]

Is it worth it to retrofit Juneau for pvp?

[neon bronze]

still is iirc

snipers (comps pinned here) can beat some mafias. at best it's unreliable

[floral wave]

theres no a single "meta team" anymore

for quite some time too

and no, other comps are not "unreliable" and idk whyd you call anything that is not mafia a sniper

[zenith lantern]

There are quite a few different comps out there that have similar winrates to Mafia. Some of them are even a lot better than Mafia in certain matchups just worse in others. They do all have the same core though, NJ, Anchorage and Shimakaze, the other 3 ships there's quite some freedom to change around. Musashi may be changing that though.

[dreamy lance]

no it is weak vs heavy

harder to win NJ vs Ancho 1v1

also replace yukikaze with Harbin. she is better

[candid sluice]

this week is when we start seeing some strong defense fleets so we can test out musashi fleets further

if a new meta fleet pops up we will update the spreadsheet

[tall nimbus]

NJ vs Ancho 1v1

[whole salmon]

https://youtu.be/-LXs-WjI84U

I have a quick testing against Vice’s fleet

I’m testing out 3 comps:

• Musashi NJ Aquila
• Musashi NJ Shinano
• Musashi Hiryuu Shinano

[whole salmon]

This one tho is Musashi NJ Shinano which is just an experiment but it held its own against old Weeb fleet

Musashi NJ Aquila then Plasma is testing it

[tall nimbus]

can you try juneau shima harbin vanguard?

[whole salmon]

JP players and Quyet are testing it as well

[tall nimbus]

if you're fighting against weeb ancho pretty much useless in helping your team defend against crash damage

[whole salmon]

No news on CN side as of currently

[whole salmon]

Harbin doesn’t help you in that case either since it only protects frontline

[tall nimbus]

but she can nuke

and provide some protection

ancho is just pure protection

[whole salmon]

Irrelevant to the point you made earlier

I have tested Harbin Shima Juneau and it does work but not within this setting

[tall nimbus]

harbin has better AA

[tall nimbus]

why?

[whole salmon]

Ancho Shima Harbin for Zoomer comp works well but Harbin Shima Juneau is still isn’t strong enough to withstand weeb’s airstrike

Mainly due to Harbin not having invulnerability skill

Harbin does have higher damage than Ancho when using Quint Mag but that forces you to run Goldburn in order to fit the timing

[tall nimbus]

surviving the airstrike isn't really my point with that team

[whole salmon]

If you run MKIX then black aux doesn’t work on subsequent torp launches

[tall nimbus]

my main goal is to nuke NJ or Shinano

[whole salmon]

If anything, Ancho Shima Ayanami works better

If you want to go for 1 shots

With the new augment, Ayanami has higher one shot potential

[tall nimbus]

yep plan to test that some time as well

too lazy to change rn

[whole salmon]

Also just watch the vid

Vice has Manjuu on NJ instead of Ancho in this case

1 barrage from Musashi and his frontline is already crippled

As for using Harbin then we have used Harbin as soon as we got her to dev 30

[tall nimbus]

welp the vid was exactly my idea with musashi

[whole salmon]

The top peeps on Lexington really do enjoy using Harbin but we got other testings to go with Musashi

There’s still a lot of weird ideas we would like to try so there’s no conclusive decision on which comp is best yet

[floral wave]

just be poor and run ancho, harbin, juneau

[whole salmon]

There’s some ideas in regards to even using Amagi with Musashi but that’s later on since it’s highly copium

[tall nimbus]

yea that does sound very copium

[floral wave]

amagi feels like purely defense tbh

[whole salmon]

Tbh I’m open to ideas

I’m the punching bag of Lexington

I put on wonky defense for others to test

That’s my role

[tall nimbus]

if only amagi had better def fleets

[whole salmon]

I’m even testing highly copium ideas

Like Twin 346 on Musashi

[floral wave]

not copium enough, where mikasa gun

[whole salmon]

Also Harbin gun aux over Seattle gun aux on BBs is also something I’m testing

Tho there doesn’t seem as significant of a difference

Harbin gun: 35 FP 10 AA
Seattle gun: 30 FP 15 AA

Harbin gun has longer range

No significant difference so far so it’s whatever