Vanguard is better in that comp actually
#pvp
flat veldt
flat veldt
Nagato completely out of the meta 
north lark
I think I'd struggle beating you due to the combination of Juneau + Hiryuu
If I had a nickel
For every time
I had to reset
Due to Hiryuu
I would have a few dollars
winged depot
I don't run that def fleet
pseudo copper
can defeat any fleet since attacker advantage
You are Amagi, there aren't really many good defensive comps here
winged depot
I mean I know, but like most rushers have mafia fleets
north lark
You don't struggle at all with mafia fleets?
winged depot
not anymore I guess
pseudo copper
I mean I know, but like most rushers have mafia fleets
Bad Mafia most of the time
Poor gear is standard
winged depot
how much is the geared ones like 17k on main and 16k on vg?
north lark
I'd say geared is like 17k/15k
I don't see VG more than 15k usually
I think only thrice
And this is on Avrora
I have seen main fleets with more than 18k several times tho
flat veldt
Usually you don't see the good fleets until last 10 mins of the season 
Most ppl hide their good defense fleets the entire season
north lark
I'd wish lol. I find the ranks right between 1k to 2k the hardest
So many fucking mafia fleets
So many times I roll
winged depot
tbh yeah the last day guys have great def fleets
north lark
And it's 4 mafia fleet options
winged depot
but I still won by the power of resetting
flat veldt
Is advanced boilers good in pvp?
Yes
Boiler (speed and hp) are good on DDs
And for other ships like Juneau, you typically run gyro
north lark
Are beaver badges not good enough?
flat veldt
Not in your comp, no
flat veldt
Bring back brah 
pseudo copper
Where you at
He got banned bc he said EU BB other than NJ and Georgia bad smh
untold crater
Free my brah
flat veldt
Yea clearly brah didn't watch ALM's vid 
flat veldt
He got banned bc he said EU BB other than NJ and Georgia bad smh
Ban obviously deserved for spitting out 
flat veldt
Wait why we even here in the first place 
let's just out ourselves before mods ban us
cunning jay
Wonder what could improve this. Still constantly loses to mafia comp.
candid sluice
youre missing a beaver tag in that fleet
also the choice of aa guns in vg isnt the best
zenith lantern
Do you have Vanguard?
Juneau is an issue too, you'd do better with Duca or Noshiro if you have them
north sentinel
Wonder what could improve this. Still constantly loses to mafia comp.
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Id recommend running something like this assuming you have the necessary equips
frigid hamlet
+13 yellow shell is next level gaming
flat veldt
Can Quyet explain what the RN shell does?
coral wren
Yellow shell is only useful for HMS BBs since that syncs stats
White shell can be used by anyone
cunning jay
Id recommend running something like this assuming you have the necessary equips
the problem is i have yet to acquire a second georgia gun and my first drake gun
I have Vanguard and Ulrich, though
floral wave
neither drake gun or 457 is necessary tbh
cunning jay
Id recommend running something like this assuming you have the necessary equips
interesting, beaver instead of damage control
floral wave
can use the gear lab twin instead of 457
untold crater
What's truly interesting is the goldburn on ancho
north sentinel
Ideally anchorage should have manju item with either steering gear, beaver badge or goldburn since that provides 640 hp and 38 reload which is useful for her smokescreen. Any shell will do on warspite since her role is to snipe. If you dont have drakes gun then just use whatever you got and twin 406 from gear lab will do just fine
coral wren
Goldburn barely helps Anchorage, I reckon we use the recommended equipment from the pins
frigid hamlet
does washington naval treaty favor the attacker or defender?
untold crater
Both
Favors defender due to longer battles
Favors attacker for Higher WR (efficacy varies with fleet)
frigid hamlet
is it multiplicative with the -20% attacker bonus, or is the attacker favor just because it makes battles more consistent
frigid hamlet
- the pvp guide and wiki both say that attacker takes 0.8x or 20% less damage.
- the wiki and game both say that WNT decreases damage dealt by 15%.
i assume that damage dealt is multiplicative with damage taken. so this doesn't match the -35% and -15% you say. Which of the three is wrong?
or the guide just isn't worded well. these two parts confuse me
untold crater
Ah
Not that
On top of that
Attacker has an advantage over defender,
20% DR on offense
So that stacks with WNT
Attacker has 35% DR, or Defender does 35% Less dmg either way you wanna phrase it
untold crater
1. the pvp guide and wiki both say that attacker takes 0.8x or 20% less damage. ...
It's additive, not multiplicative
Not done .80 * .85 = .68 (68%) which is 32% DR
frigid hamlet
so if it's additive, then either
- defender does 20% less damage AND wnt decreases damage dealt by 15%
OR - attacker takes 20% less damage AND wnt decreases damage taken by 15%
untold crater
or the guide just isn't worded well. these two parts confuse me
Different ships have different DR, iirc CVL does .9x dmg and CV does .8x
But after all those dmg calculations,
Defense fleet does .8x dmg on top of all those debuffs
untold crater
Good for different reasons
frigid hamlet
but if I assume the enemy uses WNT, then I don't need to bring it
untold crater
It's good in general for stats
untold crater
but if I assume the enemy uses WNT, then I don't need to bring it
Yeah it seems only 1 activates, but I never got confirmation on that
But it's normal to run WNT on say Aquila without flagship for the EVA and Hit
frigid hamlet
it has good stats so bring it anyways no matter the 15% dmg
but then SG Radar has almost the same stats.
maybe bring SG Radar on attack for more hit,
and WNT on defense for more evasion
untold crater
Eva > Hit
coral wren
zenith lantern
I have Vanguard and Ulrich, though
NJ, Aquila, VG with Ancho, Shima, Duca/Noshiro in front is the best attacking fleet right now. You’ll beat Mafia with it easily
cold vessel
I noticed something curious while looking at a pvp battle that I lost just now. My vanguard does not deal a lot of damage but had high evasion, so they held out for a long time against the enemy vanguard and eventually even won by a small margin, but I ultimately lost the pvp match for the following reason:
My main fleet, which consists of 1 CV and a BB and a BC, underperformed compared to the enemy main fleet which consisted of 2 CVs and a BB. This was not because of a lower damage output, but because the artillery ships kept trying to hit the enemy vanguard with little effect, while the enemy main fleet dealt huge damage to my main fleet with their carrier strikes. The interesting thing about this is that it made me wonder, wouldn't it actually be much better if my vanguard was sunk quickly? My BB and BC have no trouble quickly dispatching enemy vanguards with their secondaries most of the time, and they wouldn't waste their volleys trying to hit them, instead firing on the enemy carriers with their AP shells and devastating them as is usually the case when the enemy vanguard disappears.
So, in short, I'm wondering if having a weak/glass cannon/no vanguard fleet might actually work in your advantage if you have a BB rich main fleet in PvP.
That is, unless you can make your BBs/BCs somehow ignore the enemy vanguard when firing their main guns, something I've been told is only possibly with Warspite
ancient skiff
What is your fleet comp
cold vessel
Not minmaxing
I can imagine my issue only being something with a suboptimal fleet composition but it made me wonder nonetheless
Likely because the damage output of 3 light cruisers is relatively low, lower in fact than the damage output of Tirpitz's and Repulse's secondaries which is what causes the problem
frigid hamlet
As you noticed, carriers can damage the opposing backline through crash damage. While BBs rely on RNG targeting the vanguard vs the backline. There's not much you can do to help your BBs besides sinking the enemy vanguard faster
cold vessel
That was what I was thinking, yeah
zenith lantern
It can work like that sometimes but if the enemy vanguard makes it in to your main fleet with a decent amount of HP they will sink it. Especially if they have decent torpedos. It’s safer to win the vanguard fight usually.
cold vessel
I'm not in high level PvP play, hovering between 2000-3000 on Amagi server, but most of the time equal level vanguard pose almost no threat, mostly because the AI is so bad that it sometimes fires torps behind my ships lol
zenith lantern
Yeah they will miss vanguards a lot because they move. But if they get to fire at stationary main fleets they won’t
cold vessel
I meant my main fleet there.
Vanguards breaking through is much more dangerous against CV heavy fleets but Tirpitz seems to have great secondaries
And Repulse fires like crazy because of her reload buff on being hit
But again, that's probably because people around my rank don't have oxygen torps yet
zenith lantern
Yes it depends a lot on what gear is equipped but as you rank up and start to face better fleets it will matter more pften.
cold vessel
Yeah, I can imagine
On a side note I wish they included submarines in pvp, it feels like submarine play is really underwhelming in general in the game's current state
zenith lantern
The subs are extremely powerful at max level, they do a lot of damage
cold vessel
I didn't mean subs are weak at all
I just meant that they are locked out of many aspects of the game
No PvP, not allowed in many campaign chapters
Also many old events when the subs weren't released yet in the war archives
zenith lantern
Yeah they’re a side thing really. But they can carry you through content that you’re finding difficult
zenith lantern
They’d have to nerf them pretty heavily for PvP though. They do way too much damage as is
stable dawn
subs would be able to sink enemy backlines in a couple of seconds
floral wave
shimakaze+subs, plsno
cold vessel
Maybe instead of having them launch all of their ammo like they do normally, they'd fire slower in PvP and/or they'd have to get into such a position to fire their torps that the vanguard would be able to depth charge them, so your backline only gets punished if you neglect ASW equipment
But I agree it would require a lot of balancing decisions
floral wave
id rather see a complete pvp rework so more people would actually start playing it
just adding subs seems like too much work for zero effect
zenith lantern
Mostly the PvP shop just needs an update so once you’ve got the PvP only ships there’s more to buy with merit other than bulins
floral wave
that would be the best bandaid i guess
cold vessel
Yeah
floral wave
but still wont make it any better since people already farm merit with ease
zenith lantern
You get quite a lot more merit from hitting the higher ranks each season though
zenith lantern
Yeah but right now there’s not that many people who make AoTN
floral wave
ye that could be fixed with better shop rewards
so people that actually can, would do it consistently
cold vessel
What's AoTN?
sour oasis
What's AoTN?
Admiral of the Navy. The top tier reward from doing PvP every two weeks.
There's also a sub variant - EoS AotN
End of Season AotN is basically a meta game for meta players for bragging rights.
sour oasis
By day 12 of the season (a season is two weeks) have 2200 points and be in the top 10.
You only need to enter the top ten, you don't have to stay in it, to get the reward sent to your in-game mail.
cold vessel
Do you get anything other than even more renown for it?
sour oasis
It's an extra clump of merit (to buy stuff from the merit shop), and a badge that goes next to your name in your profile (it lasts perpetually so you only have to achieve AotN once in your entire play time).
So really nothing special, especially if you end up playing for years and nothing you haven't seen before is in the merit shop.
knotty cave
What's the shoe on Duca in the tier list, and what's the replacement if I don't have one?
trail temple
It's an event only item, gives eva and speed
If you don't have that, stick a boiler or a rudder on
cold vessel
Is AA noticeably effective in PVP?
Or does it always get overwhelmed by carrier aircraft to the point of being pretty irrelevant
floral wave
wont shoot down planes, but decreasing their hp decreases crash damage you take, so pretty relevant
cold vessel
Oh ok, didn't know that
prime gull
Anchorage is really important if you want to survive Aircraft, Belfast may work but thats really old meta
trail temple
Belfast's smoke is not timed well for current meta
coral wren
Anchorage is gonna have Fate simulation
candid sluice
Guys is brunhilde good in pvp??
azure swan
she hasnt even been released yet 
glacial yarrow
who tf is brunhilde 
azure swan
sr battlecruiser being released for anniv event
glacial yarrow
oh
dreamy lance
@glacial yarrow are you, by any chance, from Lexington?
glacial yarrow
yes
dreamy lance
oh you use IJN? 
glacial yarrow
hmm yeah i use hiryuu shinano nj
pseudo copper
Brah is that you?
light crystal
Could be interesting if it gets tweaked on the Refit version.
untold crater
Charles OP?
light crystal
I dunno. Currently is a meme skill, But if uptime/proc conditions get changed to have a more desirable consistency it could be interesting.
Would be funny if they make it so that it becomes an OP skill only when she's using Beavers herself haha
Refits are pretty rare as-is. Rather random/curious of them to to pick Charles Ausburne. Refits usually tweak an existing skill. Seeing as this is a purely defensive skill, it's likely they would try to make it more consistent in some way
stable dawn
could see an augment module
candid sluice
charles aulick foote new meta???
sour oasis
Always was 👩🦲
But AA has its use when combined with a strong Fighters launch. High enough AA will shoot down planes, protecting CV stealth. Whether or not this is a good idea depends on the situation.
trail temple
Guys is brunhilde good in pvp??
KMS gonna be OP
All the KMS simps are finally going to have a good fleet for PvP
candid sluice
cope too hard dont stand too close 👴
coral wren
Bruh no other language here
molten sequoia
stable dawn
cunning jay
What can vanguard do better than warkai on pvp?
floral wave
you pair vanguard with warkai
unless you have nj, then its a question of "what can nj do better than warkai in pvp" and the answer is everything
cunning jay
so nj-vanguard-warkai as the backline, how does this do better than nj-warkai-aquila?
untold crater
ivory vine
they're stronk
late heath
I use Kashino cause she’s best girl
grim belfry
I lost the link to a PvP guide of saying what is the new PvP meta and their equipments. I checked pins but it wasn't there unless it did undergo a change so I don't recognize it
untold crater
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BewmBsf4EWKAf_UwYax05c7ksL51y6sjs96pIwD73Jc/edit?usp=sharing
Literally the 2nd pin
candid sluice
It’s the second pin but doesn’t have equip guide yet
untold crater
It has the equipments for all the best fleets
candid sluice
Oh if u mean just the sample equips then yea
untold crater
"what is the new pvp meta and their equipments."
frank pebble
Chise or perseus?
whole salmon
strange tide
candid sluice
Rank 1
steel coral
🥳
hot creek
gratz
strange tide
I was trying to go for 2600, but honestly, it's just impossible when people end up not moving at certain times.
That and batch RNG.
untold crater
Very hard on EN servers due to lower win rate
Seen more often on Avrora than any other server
strange tide
I actually kept track of this season's scores.
dreamy lance
amagi
vague wave
Who
vague wave
Normal wysi man
Oh fok I got wysi'd
flat veldt
Normal wysi man
You mean Or1g1n KZ
strange tide
That's pretty funny.
oblique silo
Happened to me this reset
untold crater
Ai there to humble u
Don't ever feel good about winning
Because you're always behind rank 0
candid sluice
If that’s AI(easy) then I wonder that AI(hard) is like
trail temple
Cross server pvp when?
trail temple
If that’s AI(easy) then I wonder that AI(hard) is like
Unultra's fleet
coral wren
Cross server pvp when?
We're gonna get crushed if cross server feature is set
trail temple
We're gonna get crushed if cross server feature is set
I don't think so, fleet tech is irrelevant in PvP and Amagi has as much access to the meta ships as any other server
candid sluice
mmm youd be surprised
coral wren
Dunno why only Amagi, and what happened in Washy? Lexy? Avy? or Sandy?
Like I'm also one of em since I'm in Amagi
candid sluice
washi sandy 💀 ⚰️
coral wren
In Washington server
stable dawn
washy only has 1 active pvper
coral wren
washy only has 1 active pvper
Duh Foch
1 PVPER!? 
candid sluice
washy only has 1 active pvper
you dont count
coral wren
Yeah right everybody should've went for Amagi and feel the intensity of the PvP environment
coral wren
But in return it's all about the intense battles
candid sluice
intense pvp battle with one player 
pseudo copper
you dont count
Yeah, Borgar is half of Astolfo chan at best
stable dawn
you dont count
I wasn't counting myself 
pseudo copper
I wasn't counting myself <:ShiSleep:771507346069389313>
Unultra's alt?
stable dawn
casual game
stable dawn
pvp is just more login bonuses
candid sluice
yea fighting the urge to fall asleep
neon bronze
i do pvp for the bulins
candid sluice
just don't play. Save yourself from the suffering.
done
neon bronze
that being said, i want nj and aquila to rerun
stable dawn
they'll be powercrept by then
neon bronze
in the case of nj, i think not
aquila can be powercrept though
stable dawn
Shinano just reran, which means NJ rerun will happen next Spring
there are likely 2-3 more new URs until then
at least one of which will be IJN
lunar echo
Just woke up, how many exercises should I do?
cinder wolf
5
trail temple
Do all 5, every reset
lunar echo
Rushing is better than sandbagging? I always kept 5 stockpiled until the last day
cinder wolf
rushers are god gift
lunar echo
Oh
trail temple
If everyone's sandbagging in your server, you're doing no better than rushing
and in Avrora, that's becoming the case
Rushing does have the benefit of getting more merit if you do it right
stable dawn
This is actually statistically proven. CN and JP have higher scores than us because more pvpers move early. EN is too competitive for its own good. Literally suffering from success.
uncut agate
there's no success
cinder wolf
u play al pvp u alr a failure
stable dawn
gray beacon
flat veldt
u play al pvp u alr a failure
cinder wolf
untold crater
You lack gears
flint sun
lack gears for what
untold crater
Your fleet
If you are losing a mirror match with the attacker buff, your gears are the issue
untold crater
Yeah you have worse gears
I have 1 oath on my fleet and reset maybe 1-2 times a season
fossil vine
oath 6%, attacker buff like 20%
flint sun
Yeah you have worse gears
I have worse gears but I still beat them
untold crater
Because of the attacker buff yes
Point is you didn't struggle because if his oaths as much as you did because of your gears
flint sun
how much of a difference is a +13 wyvern and a +14 one /s
untold crater
+13 is Max...
flint sun
that was the point which is why I put the /s
flint sun
This is actually statistically proven. CN and JP have higher scores than us beca...
wait what, is that why scores in amagi make no sense no matter how hard I try lol
stable dawn
obvs it's due to collusion
untold crater
This is actually so dumb
untold crater
Borgar why do you type such troll things
stable dawn
it's the truth
untold crater
You know people actually believe you right
untold crater
Why purposefully spread misinformation on the internet 
flint sun
I tried sandbagging a few times, I can never get anyone difficult enough except today lol, I've probably been doing it wrong
stable dawn
the stats thing is true though. Envy's doc shows it loud and clear
stable dawn
they lose due to def fleets being too hard
untold crater
Yes
stable dawn
which is therefore EN being too competitive
flint sun
tf is a mover
untold crater
Why mention moving early?
flint sun
how do you get hard def fleets
flint sun
oh no it's salty
stable dawn
obvs
flint sun
h0i
untold crater
untold crater
the guild collusion is true, you're one of them
🐧 🤝 🐃
I can't even read the TW names 💀
flint sun
stable dawn
ez game what can I say
untold crater
tf is a mover
Someone that moves in pvp (does their exercises) and typically awards you with more points than the base
stable dawn
no, sandbagging is waiting for 10/10 exercises and going down to 5 every reset instead of going down to 0
untold crater
No, sandbagging is staying 10/10 and only pvping your movers, then at 10minutes (or earlier if you don't have confidence in your pvp fleet) you go to 5/10
stable dawn
smh shilling EN strats
realistically you don't need to move that late until late season
untold crater
Yeah you don't
stable dawn
can literally move at 2-3h remaining until Wednesday second week
flint sun
yeah I don't know shit about PVP I just waited for meta fleets to move and picked them off
flint sun
but even when picking them off they end up going down 5,000 places
untold crater
yeah I don't know shit about PVP I just waited for meta fleets to move and picke...
Points awarded based on point difference between you and enemy, not the enemies fleet
flint sun
I always picked off the leftmost one
stable dawn
there are 3 resets every day at 6h, 6h, and 12h intervals
if you forget to do a set, that's a huge drop in score compared to other pvpers
flint sun
oh shit, I didn't even know there's resets, so you literally camp there until it resets?
stable dawn
flint sun
untold crater
Don't need to camp it
stable dawn
as I said, you don't need to move late every time
you can get away with going early all of week 1
most of week 2
candid sluice
Just push whenever is convenient for u
untold crater
Just check when you can, and move before the reset happens
flint sun
I never knew it was so hard to struggle in PVP
stable dawn
pvp is ez wdym
stable dawn
literally just glorified login bonuses
stable dawn
if you finish all your exercises consistently each season, you're pretty much guaranteed top 10 eos
untold crater
Well, not if 11 people do that
stable dawn
wow, Amagi is growing?
flint sun
bane of my existence
stable dawn
untold crater
Why you so high up
flint sun
stable dawn
You should only use a refresh when you only have players all below you or when you know none of them will move
flint sun
how do I know dat
stable dawn
experience
stable dawn
at a certain point you'll recognize the names of most movers
untold crater
The former only happens in the top 100
stable dawn
because you encounter them so often
flint sun
untold crater
Before that you can't roll lower
stable dawn
for early season it doesn't matter as much, just finish your set
you could theoretically overcap a full set and still be fine late season if you accumulate enough bonuses
flint sun
so when I saw the season turned back to copper I waited for them to move, and the battle after id noticed I was thrown some odd 5,000 places down
flint sun
so it's a high chance that even if their decks are meta asf they prob won't move until later on in the season?
stable dawn
the real question is why are you moving 18 minutes into the current reset
untold crater
Sets are 6h or 12h
flint sun
the real question is why are you moving 18 minutes into the current reset
idk how pvp works lol, also trying to pick it up in guardian tales
be patient with me I have autism
river marsh
for using the word
stable dawn
yes actually
flint sun
k
flint sun
yeah
stable dawn
river marsh
oh
flint sun
ok ok so when this is almost over this is when I strike?
steel coral
I can't even read the TW names 💀
should try me foolproof plan of memorizing the secretary ships of movers
untold crater
Don't go lower
flint sun
I have exactly 5/10
untold crater
should try me foolproof plan of memorizing the secretary ships of movers
Yup lvl/sec meta is unreal
stable dawn
no, just wait for the leftmost person to be above you
the time limit is just so you don't lose any exercises and miss out on free points
just make sure to be 5/10 before the time runs out
and you'll be fine
untold crater
should try me foolproof plan of memorizing the secretary ships of movers
I also started memorizing their meme fleets
flint sun
oh yeah leftmost is above me rn so I murder them even if their fleet is Garbo?
stable dawn
depends, how much above?
untold crater
Only if they move
flint sun
around 200 places
stable dawn
not worth, just wait.
flint sun
daily reset is when you get 10 points or is it the midday one I forgor..
stable dawn
you get 5 per reset and it happens 3x per day
flint sun
oh, I could've sworn I got 10 in a reset multiple times
stable dawn
however you only get 5 refreshes once per day at daily login
which is why they're used so sparingly
there is also no way to check how many refreshes you currently have left. So you just have to remember it and hope you aren't wrong
flint sun
ok that's actually good for me, I thought I was missing 5 points when I had 5/10
sometimes
I don't think they're gonna move looking at what their fleet is lol
stable dawn
not true, a lot of really high ranked pvpers have bad def fleets on purpose to encourage more people to move and therefore give them more points later on
flint sun
stable dawn
because pvp bonus points do not come from rank difference
they come from point difference
it just so happens that most of the time someone with significantly higher rank has a significant point lead
The minimum point difference for a bonus per rank is shown in this table:
candid sluice
Check the pins for more info
flint sun
wait wait what's this
I have a lot of gear I need to change
it's better to use that torp instead of the gay magtorp?
stable dawn
depends on your playstyle
I personally put the HMS parallel torps on both Shima and Duca for maximum trolling
flint sun
I slapped Juneau back on after losing to shima
stable dawn
but if you want to use them for both pvp and pve, I'd stick with rainbow quint mags
flint sun
alrighty
stable dawn
since the parallel torps are terrible in pve unless you play manual
flint sun
I made a 2nd shima just so I didn't have to do that 
coral wren
And this is why I gave NJ a different name, Kaya posted it the time I got AotN
fallow granite
my shimakaze's torp curved around just to kill roon
untold crater
hollow rain
sacred heath
So I've been out of the pvp loop for a while
What is it about some Mafia defense fleets that makes them so unkillable compared to others
I never had problems with mirror matches until like a month ago
And I'm still mostly good but I don't like having to pay attention
untold crater
What makes some mafias harder to kill than others?
What does your mafia look like?
frigid hamlet
Maybe their gear. Many meta fleets have garbage gear setups
untold crater
Obviously it's the gear, it's a mirror match
@sacred heath this is what I run, and i very rarely need resets, what do you run?
sacred heath
i dropped VV and duca for vanguard and noshi, but even before that, i ran into some weird issues
gear almost identical except i have beaver on anchor instead of vv
i wasn't sure if some people are just stacking lots of eva on their defense backline or something
untold crater
Been seeing VV beaver and WNT AQL off-flag so yeah, EVA stacking on backline seems to be an occurence
My issue with VG/Noshiro fleet is more damage but lower win rate
sacred heath
link me that fleet maker real quick?
untold crater
sacred heath
thx
untold crater
But yeah as you said, EVA stacking backline, this is the more common variant i see, but i don't run WNT personally
frigid hamlet
How do you see enemy equipment though . Or do you infer
sacred heath
you know the person you're fighting 
i don't like to stray too far from normal gear for my pvp fleet so this is what i attack with
and some mafia fleets are just way harder to kill
sacred heath
forgot it exists tbh
untold crater
But your main issue is that NJ gun
untold crater
If you don't have 2 457 then use Mk4 USS BB gun from lab on VG and 457 on NJ
untold crater
+10 457 > +13 MK7
sacred heath
k then
untold crater
Especially since you using rainbow table on VG when she already has 457 and spread reduction from her flag skill
Meanwhile NJ has none of those and using a gun with worse spread
sacred heath
whoops
untold crater
As for the Frontline equip, it's fine i personally hate EVA gears on CL, and seeing you don't run pearl tears on any ship is...
untold crater
Hit > FP for BBs, why not STAAG on VG?
sacred heath
tbh i took it off duca a while ago to use in meta fight and forgot about it entirely
that's another holdover from using vanguard elsewhere
k gave her a 13staag
untold crater
Gotcha, why you hate pearl?
sacred heath
it's more that i hate juneau and anything remotely associated
okay okay noshi has a 13 pearl now
stable dawn
kevo returning to pvp?
sacred heath
stable dawn
sacred heath
no
i'm still not gonna sandbag or go for t10
i just don't want to have to pay attention
stable dawn
sacred heath
i got t10eos once and that's enough for me
untold crater
untold crater
trail temple
Meanwhile NJ has none of those and using a gun with worse spread
If I read your comment correctly, NJ does in fact have a spread reduction skill
untold crater
I meant that she has none of those benefits that vanguard is getting when she needs them the most (when she had mk7)
But yeah, NJ does have a Spread red skill as well
light crystal
If I read your comment correctly, NJ does in fact have a spread reduction skill
You are, in fact, factually factual with that fact.
somber ravine
What PvP-setup can you recommend, guys?
cinder wolf
📌
candid sluice
check the pins
somber ravine
Thx
flat veldt
Is that a Wooper prof pic? 
coral wren
winged depot
Is this the guy 
coral wren
UNULTRA
royal beacon
San digo
candid sluice
holy shit is that unultra
young storm
am I too late to the party for that main fleet? (asking so I know whether I should retro that that hiryuu or not cuz I dont wanna waste mats)
trail temple
Hiryuu retro is a pretty good shit to have for PvP, generally speaking
young storm
alright ill retro her
ah shit gotta upgrade her red skill I should've retrofitted her earlier 💀
torpid shuttle
is a loss recoverable with sandbagging
across two weeks i slip attention at least once
oblique silo
It is if it’s early season
untold crater
is a loss recoverable with sandbagging
For AoTN easily, even 10+ can recover
Loss for rank 1 is also quite doable, but not the easiest
torpid shuttle
AoTN?
oblique silo
Admiral of the navy
untold crater
Well, what's your goal with pvp?
trail temple
If you want to maximise merit, just dump your exercises post aotn
torpid shuttle
lazy, want threshold dopamine of 1500 merit
might as well post, here's what im using rn
I use unikai sometimes but her preload doesnt reliably reveal CVs for warkai
so i just do indepkai generally
untold crater
No NJ/AQL?
torpid shuttle
neither
untold crater
Also, use ancho flag, better even if she is lower level
Ancho/Noshiro/Juneau order
Or Juneau/Noshiro/Ancho order maybe actually
torpid shuttle
ancho lead? i was testing ancho manjuu sandwich against someone, it won that specific matchup
juneau too squishy flag at 115, heals nobody
untold crater
But show equips, that's what matters
torpid shuttle
that
sure
I thought about syncing Anchorage torps to backline CDs or shimakaze enemies or something, but im using ancho on campaign and figured i could be lazy
untold crater
Use white shells on VG/WK
Take off skypirate from indep, sub for wyvern or if you don't have it, use Breguet
Take of the catapult/rudder from indep and use feather/fuel 50/150
torpid shuttle
thought planes were too high hp to kill in pvp
untold crater
Equip crossbows on Juneau and Noshiro (augment)
untold crater
thought planes were too high hp to kill in pvp
Want those for crash dmg because of that reason
torpid shuttle
do lower hp planes do less crash dmg?
untold crater
They have a lower crash damage value
Second
Basically wyvern and Breguet intercept
And have a crash dmg value of 450
Crash damage is dependent on 2 things
- the ships base crash damage value
- % of HP left
Say wyvern has 40% HP left, will do 40% Of the 450 crash damage
torpid shuttle
Does crossbow disable when the ship carrying the augment dies?
torpid shuttle
And have a crash dmg value of 450
is skypirate lower?
altho the intercept is the importantish part ig
torpid shuttle
crossbow, feather fuel, and warkai white shell are the easiest for me to do. I'm farming W14 with some of these ships so want to seap less
untold crater
VG white shell too
torpid shuttle
alright, thanks for this so far
torpid shuttle
ill remember vanny whiteshell for if i reset too much
untold crater
Also, I would also suggest Percy over indep
torpid shuttle
No shima, have shinano but no hakuryuu
untold crater
But it's fine
torpid shuttle
dont have percy, only fast loaders 
untold crater
I think better options are Percy/AQL/Chise/Hiryuu
torpid shuttle
is hiryuukai much better?
untold crater
I would say so
torpid shuttle
I have her retrofit but skills at lvl 1 for now
untold crater
But i would also not run WK then, would run Shinano/Hiryuu/VG
torpid shuttle
hmm, thanks for heads up
if i can have pvp slave then i dont have to change campaign ship
untold crater
fading wing
You're saying that like Anchor needs a good fate sim
Already stupidly busted gold research ship
kindred stump
What's the most stalling def fleet you guys can think of
oblique silo
What's the most stalling def fleet you guys can think of
Hiryuu/NJ/Shinano/Anchorage/Shimakaze/Juneau or Hiryuu/Seydlitz/Manjuu NJ/Anchorage/Shimakaze/Agir
kindred stump
Thanks
dreamy lance
somber monolith
What's the most stalling def fleet you guys can think of
Javelin/Anchorage JeanneD’Arch/Charles Ausburn, Yukikaze/Eldridge
Shouhou Unicorn Aquila/Ryuuhou/Volga
somber monolith
What about Persy?
Her heal is way too long for use
empty mesa
I see.
somber monolith
Hiryuu/NJ/Shinano/Anchorage/Shimakaze/Juneau or Hiryuu/Seydlitz/Manjuu NJ/Anchor...
Doesn’t that just destroy the enemy m?
dreamy lance
Winning a battle is also a form of stall 
kindred stump
People are fighting me I'm not fighting them
oblique silo
Doesn’t that just destroy the enemy m?
Those fleets are very tanky
kindred stump
I just need to stall them so I can get higher rank and get my merit milestones
somber monolith
Those fleets are very tanky
Yes, but usually can’t stall for more than a minute though with that
dreamy lance
Generally the best stall fleets are good fleets
cinder wolf
Javelin/Anchorage JeanneD’Arch/Charles Ausburn, Yukikaze/Eldridge
Shouhou Unicor...
this fleet can stall 4 mnts
dreamy lance
oblique silo
Jeez almost ran out of time
dreamy lance
that’s the power of Javelin
kindred stump
What were you fighting
dreamy lance
oblique silo
Yes, but usually can’t stall for more than a minute though with that
You can. It’s happened to me and I’ve done it to others
trail temple
You're saying that like Anchor needs a good fate sim
trail temple
You can. It’s happened to me and I’ve done it to others
And sometimes, a minute is all you need to make someone either lose their bonus to scrape through, or drop a match or two
candid sluice
a minute is a long time right guys
untold crater
boreal parcel
One of the prettiest defense fleets I've seen
untold crater
I don't see shiranui
gray beacon
What's up with those names
sleek heron
did a dumb and went afk fighting a rank 16 and came back to a loss screen 😂
muh delicious bonus points....
torpid shuttle
Take of the catapult/rudder from indep and use feather/fuel 50/150
this combined with wyvern is banger
im getting better resets against italian and NJ
untold crater
More HP on Planes = More HP left on Planes = more crash
torpid shuttle
and the crash dmg thing
im also still leveling ancho, which is prob part of it
but i actually won against a meta fleet with like nj vv aquila duca ancho
think shima was the last ship
not sure if it was all optimum equips but it was at least strong
boreal parcel
Pvp would be 1000% more fun if Shimakaze and Anchorage didn't exist
trail temple
stable dawn
Pvp would be 1000% more fun if Shimakaze and Anchorage didn't exist
That just brings us back to Summer 2021 where the meta was still mafia but the vanguard was Juneau - Duca - Seattle
boreal parcel
That one wasn't nearly as bad. Perseus could counter Aquila quite well. Shimakaze alone became a meta cancer when she appeared and Anchorage was developed as a counter.
Would be funny if one day we got a shipgirl whose skill would basically be Mirror Force from Yu-gi-oh, only with simple damage reflect instead of the original effect
coral wren
candid sluice
Dude… if u wanna “jus fuck around” then take it to general
boreal parcel
I was making a comparison. Guess I'll draw the proposed skill myself next time
floral wave
pvp would be more fun if OP ships didnt exist
would be funny if a ship with OP skill appeared one day
questionmark
trail temple
Perseus
Counter
I think we're playing a different game
pseudo copper
> Perseus
> Counter
I think we're playing a different game
Perseus may counter healer Aquila or no gear Aquila ig 
As such Percy counter
oblique silo
There’s always going to be op stuff in PvP games. You can’t 100% balance everything
candid sluice
just put shimakaze in the ubers tier
fleet laurel
is harbin meta in pvp?
trail temple
Nah, not enough people have her raised
coral wren
what planes are the best for pvp right now?
uncut agate
wyvern, tenrai, sea hornet
breguet works if you don't have wyvern
helldiver in absence of tenrai
steel coral
Barracuda DB 
trail temple
Tigercat is a good alternative to Sea Hornet
fossil vine
I think I'm drunk
untold crater
torpid shuttle
they arent in order
untold crater
Quite off-putting
light crystal
tacit fox
thoughts about anshan + chang chun vanguard in pvp?
neon bronze
Shit
Everyone good there practically has med yo heavy armor except for shimakaze
floral wave
duca/noshiro/juneau med/heavy armor 
untold crater
His point
finite wraith
fighting meta fleet is always fun
oblique silo
Same
trail temple
Just play spot the KMS fan and beat their fleet for free merit. You can even win against a full 125 KMS team with lv100 boats
late heath
Ah yes the Enterprise day whereas each Enty can stare at one another for 5 mins
The French preload
The IJN
Etc.
torpid shuttle
i recovered my loss
torpid shuttle
gonna stalll tomorrow
untold crater
gray beacon
pseudo copper
pseudo copper
Most advanced strat in AL pvp is to retire
trail temple
There are no advanced strats in pvp
neon bronze
i just do this for the bulins
more merit means it would be faster to get more bulins
trail temple
candid sluice
the most advanced pvp strat is to not play the game
gray beacon
Pull for cute ships game
delicate egret
what’s the current pvp meta? the last time I played it was vv/aquila + duca
candid sluice
check the pins
gray beacon
trail temple
thorn obsidian
Why is Juneau preferred for pvp when I could just use another damage dealer like yuudachi?
zenith lantern
She’s good if your fleet needs to stall for your backline to do damage
Otherwise a damage dealer is better
thorn obsidian
Currently still using Vanguard/Percy/Warkai|Kron/Shima/Yuudachi
zenith lantern
Yeah in that fleet Juneau isn’t good
thorn obsidian
Idk how good someone like shinano is
zenith lantern
Shinano is good in the right fleet. But she is slow. A fleet with Shinano is the kind of fleet you would use Juneau.
candid sluice
Juneau is used in slower fleets that prefer longevity over big damage outright
untold crater
Juneau enabler
candid sluice
Big true
thorn obsidian
Are any of the ships from recent events from shinano rerun till now useable for pvp? Like with the right fleet I mean.
azure swan
shinano?
thorn obsidian
Like if I used shinano, who else would be best
thorn obsidian
And the other 4?
azure swan
idk, my only experience with pvp is juneau and shinano
i just put whatever i have on my fleet and fight the meme fleets the nice commanders put as their def fleet
candid sluice
The shinano fleet is in the pins
None of the recent ships replaces any in the fleet
tacit fox
is kitakaze or ayanami better to replace shimakaze in comps (since i dont have shima)
azure swan
aya is the closest match to shima
and youd use a similar setup as well
oxytorps + blue 50
frigid hamlet
Im no pvper but I don't think either of them are worth using. Just plug in some other meta ship like harbin Juneau duca or go even older meta
pseudo copper
Well actually not the latter half
Just try to follow what's on pins and then say who you are missing from a specific comp you can make
And take ss of what ships you can have
stable dawn
Maybe the meta is shifting
Soon we could see triple smoke comps. Anchorage - Charles Ausburne (Retro) - Harbin
candid sluice
Charlie retrofit new meta??
floral wave
charlie and jervis with beaver
stable dawn
make sure to replace Shimakaze with Yukikaze
stable dawn
azure swan
rate my def fleet
pseudo copper
It's too hard
coarse linden
This looks deadly.
tall nimbus
morbin not dev 30
untold crater
Not everyone is Amagi player dronshi
elder cedar
He died couse of that i guess 
winged depot
This looks deadly.
its a free win 
dreamy lance
<:AlaWoke:611004132471341076>
@noble gyro 
candid sluice
non dev30 harbun smh
lucid apex
This looks deadly.
Yeah, this pretty rough.
cinder wolf
imagine not d30 harbin time
untold crater
On defense? Way ahead of you
finite wraith
Hey guys I have an idea can we all stop using NJ, Aquila, VV?
Why??
untold crater
Because my rushers lose fights
And i have to be content with -2600 scores
Bottlenecked by other players
candid sluice
Just skill issue in en servers
gray beacon
candid sluice
Already done ✅
untold crater
🍞
candid sluice
🧑🎓
trail temple
Hey guys I have an idea can we all stop using NJ, Aquila, VV?
Why wouldn't I do that?
whole salmon
Mafia isn’t the only meta comp out there anymore
So like VV isn’t even picked as often
If anything, you should have said to stop using NJ Ancho Shima, then that would mess with every top comp
lunar echo
Takeshi stop, your body can't take it!
sand cape
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Exercise can someone double check this wiki page, and tell me what should be changed (if at all).
you can ignore any grammar/spelling stuff, im mainly looking for incorrect mechanics/strategy/etc. information
untold crater
One issue i think
It's not total merit from current season, just total merit
"The amount of experience and Rank Score rewarded is determined by the opposing fleet"
this is incorrect, experience is based on the levels of the enemies' ships, but the score awarded is based on the point difference between you and the player you battle
"Rank Score awarded per victory depends on the difference between the defending player's Rank Score and the attacking player's Rank Score."
This shows up later in the wiki, idk why that other part was there at first
"In a way, it can be said that being able to reach the Admiral of the Fleet Rank at all, as well as what Rank they hold at the end of the season, is determined by their luck with the matchmaking system."
For the end of the season? Sure.
For Admiral of the Navy? Absolutely not
steel coral
I feel like this is incorrect but I don't know how to describe it other than "it just doesn't work like that"
flat veldt
I feel like this is incorrect but I don't know how to describe it other than "it...
The first paragraph is a 169 word sentence 
Lowkey got a stroke trying to read that
untold crater
I wonder the credentials for some of the parts on the wiki
candid sluice
who wrote the defense strategies part of the page
both strategy sections are poorly written and hard to understand
"In a way, it can be said that being able to reach the Admiral of the Fleet Rank at all... is determined by their luck with the matchmaking system." no u just need to not be an idiot and aotn is free
goddamn just let me type it up 
flat veldt
Language of the Gods that only players like Unultra can truly comprehend
frigid hamlet
It is enough to fool any new pvp player and it's also enough to get top 10 eos
Nevermind, the strategies are for merit not for eos
lucid apex
That's the main reason I even play pvp tbh, for merit. It's a waste of time to try to get high ranks for me, I don't even have half of the meta to do that with
sand cape
who wrote the defense strategies part of the page <:YorkBruh:588629709328482325>
its an old wiki page from when game was barely on EN im pretty sure
ive been scrolling through all the "oldish" mechanic pages (like shops, combat, etc.) trying to see if theres anything i can fix, which is where i found out how scuffed the pvp page is which is why im asking here
last time the strategies section was updated was 2018
anyways thanks all for information, ill try and draft something either tonight or tomorrow night to see if i can make it more up to date 
sand cape
goddamn just let me type it up <:BiskoLUL:585585239179526145>
if you wanna type up stuff lmk and i can add it for you
thats partially why im asking here after all, since im a relative dum dum on pvp
candid sluice
How do I edit wiki pages
Or just link my spreadsheet there and I’ll edit from that
sand cape
Sure put whatever you want on the spreadsheet and i can copy it over
somber monolith
Would Monitors be good for PVP?
They don’t get debuffed, and have light armor since most people use AP shells,
I don’t have a level 125 one to test this out myself, using Erebus
flat veldt
Would Monitors be good for PVP?
They don’t get debuffed, and have light armor si...
Not really but they're aesthetically pleasing
candid sluice
No they not good
They’re fragile inconsistent barrage and doesn’t contribute to the fleet buffswise
untold crater
💀 4:37
untold crater
frigid hamlet
they're probably just weak to airplanes and yeah don't contribute skills
untold crater
They're just bad
sand cape
is this accurate or should i scrap this section entirely
sand cape
guess ill just scrap it entirely
actually 25k is reasonable
for whatever reason the bottom line assumes 50% win rate
if you change that to 100% win rate, 25k+ is what you get
untold crater
Barely
If stop going for EoS and camp rank u get what? 500? 800 more merit?
Well, in my case i get like 1k more because overcap
candid sluice
overcap u lose merit
whole salmon
Yeah 25k seems reasonable
And yeah I think Brah got AOTN on a diff server in 2 months starting from scratch. AOTN is definitely not luck
If the matchmaking system is luck, you wouldn’t see such a consistent streak in top 10 eos
And yeah on the weaker defense fleet part. It really depends
whole salmon
And yeah on the weaker defense fleet part. It really depends
If you want to bag, having weak defense is beneficial since that would cause higher win rates among weaker players for you to eat as food
untold crater
Very little luck
whole salmon
If you are a rusher, having a strong defense fleet may be beneficial ig? But not really
If you are a rusher, whether you put strong defense or weak defense, people will smash through that anyways
That’s how it feels at high rank at least, idk about low elo where people are still struggling against Enty
untold crater
It's never a factor to be considered, you will always benefit more from just playing properly, rare for that to happen with your def fleet stalling another player so u can get aotn
whole salmon
High rank is a joke anyways, there’s no such thing as “the best and most meta fleet” anymore
untold crater
There's just best gear, and best ships, but not really 1 fleet
whole salmon
Like the top 4 player of last season each run their own style of fleet
You even have wacky fleets make it to eos
untold crater
UvH users in top 10 eos
whole salmon
As long as you have enough gear and know what you are doing then you are good
untold crater
Get rank 1 with Akaga in 2022
whole salmon
High rank is a joke, it arrives to a point where we test wacky fleets rather that actually run serious stuff
untold crater
The only time pvp is fun yeah
whole salmon
Like we got stuff like triple BB Warkai FDG UvH Ancho Shima Yuki make it to top 7 eos
With FP aug on Torp DDs
And running Battle Tractor Max on BBs
candid sluice
Real gamers get aotn using long island and enterprise
untold crater
🤔
Curious to try for eos with full ROC VG
Something like Harbin/An Shan/ Yat Sen
candid sluice
Luck based pvp with rolling rushers or baggers
Reason why top10 is the same people is cus there are less than 10 ppl who care
pseudo copper
You can get same people 5 times in a row that means
untold crater
First reset of the season?
candid sluice
First reset of the day
untold crater
You mean the reset where all the baggers immediately log in or?
candid sluice
It was like thurs week 2
untold crater
Week 2? Normal tbh
candid sluice
That’s the point
untold crater
Or you telling me All 6 lists had 4 baggers?
candid sluice
Either baggers one two ticket pushers
untold crater
With good pace you should be glad you rolling baggers wtf
candid sluice
can’t even refresh twice in a day
untold crater
Barely anyone a bonus then
Only time you don't want a bagger is when your pace is low and you're 10/10
candid sluice
Why
untold crater
Free bonus ...?
candid sluice
Low pace with higher pace bagger means I can snipe a bonus more easily
untold crater
Yeah bro snipe your first bonus with 10 min left
Prefer to get my first bonus 1h in, then i roll bagger
candid sluice
U don’t do that?
untold crater
+2 set simple