@humble mulch pick one
#history
somber knoll
lipsticks
humble mulch
Yea federal HST 124 grain is what I currently have loaded
Bro what the fuck is F4
E1 tho for sure
strong plank
What’s up with J8
somber knoll
E1 is the THV round btw Tea
spring briar
The GsH-18 is made to chamber stupidly hot rounds
humble mulch
It’s a slug lmao
spring briar
Not a fair comparison at all imo
somber knoll
yeh
humble mulch
That you can pen?
humble mulch
Oh
humble mulch
humble mulch
Looks like a mosque
spring briar
In some pistols
spring briar
Ye
humble mulch
Very nice
humble mulch
Batter say your prayers lol
humble mulch
New 40K enemy
spring briar
They will absolutely pen the shit out of soft body armor and thin plate armor tho
humble mulch
Anti drive by bullets
spring briar
humble mulch
Car door 100% anit helping you
humble mulch
How does it compare to a 5.7 version?
humble mulch
Same shit I assume?
spring briar
5.7 is specifically designed for that
humble mulch
Yeah
spring briar
9mm ap just replicates it
humble mulch
An so kinda equivalents
spring briar
Wouldn’t say that tbh
humble mulch
spring briar
Small and fast bullets with flat trajectories vs steel 9mm slug that works to about 20 yards
somber knoll
It would be plus P+++ by us standards
btw, that also means it can go to beyond 50k Psi if we go by SAAMI standards?
spring briar
spring briar
An so kinda equivalents
It’s the old penetration vs stopping power argument
somber knoll
somber knoll
btw, that also means it can go to beyond 50k Psi if we go by SAAMI standards?
rip non cold-hammered barrels I guess
spring briar
The russians rejected 9mm with higher stopping power for the higher pen of 7.63
Which is why they made 7.62
For the tokarev and ppsh etc
This later switched with the adoption of the 9x18 mm makarov
Leading to all kinds of russian 9mm bullets
somber knoll
I always wondered why and where the Reds had a 7.62 fetish from. So it's not entirely a fetish after all.
the 7.62 Nagant though
spring briar
The choice of 7.62 over 9mm for pistols and especially smg’s was simply because they already had the tooling for 7.62 from all the rifles in that caliber
So it really is more of a logistical choice than a fetish
spring briar
No
subtle prawn
spiral cedar
9mm explosive ammo but they use German WWI delay fuzes so there's only a 50% chance you commit a war crime
spring briar
manic latch
https://youtu.be/VxNFXIur5Co
T-72: chills
Germans: Damn my high quality Leopard 1 is not good enough gotta pass to Leopard 2
strong plank
T-80 would like to know your location
manic latch
She didn't tho
T-80 is an alternative with different engine
She replaced T-64s mostly
Since they were too expensive
True replacement of T-72 is T-90 I guess
Which is a cooler T-72
Yeah wouldn't call it true replacement
Anyway
manic latch
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/07/raytheon-delivers-first-spy-6-radar...
Hah sister already beat Gerald
Since Gerald doesn't use this radar
Don't think there are plans to equip her with it yet
frigid karma
honestly hope there aren't any more president-named ships
exotic scarab
Uss Woodrow Wilson
Because for some reason school only mentions the "good" he did in his 14 points and league of nations and not the fact he was the best thing for the kkk
frigid karma
wilson's a twat
strong plank
given his policies I doubt it yeah
frigid karma
you know in the movie king's man
exotic scarab
Been meaning to see it
frigid karma
they basically portray woodrow wilson as inviting strippers to the white house constantly
exotic scarab
Is it any good
Heard mixed reviews unlike 1917 which has had all positive and I'm more interested in seeing
exotic scarab
Yeah I think I'll buy 1917 instead and watch that
frigid karma
1917 is a fucking masterpiece
exotic scarab
frigid karma
probably the best war film i ever watched
exotic scarab
I've heard
frigid karma
makes fury and saving private ryan look trash in comparison
strong plank
absolute facts
exotic scarab
I saw fury
strong plank
the cinematography is amazing
exotic scarab
It was ok
frigid karma
saving private ryan had so many tigers you'd think it took place in the african safari
strong plank
Greyhound was also pretty damn good
exotic scarab
But why was there the random lone tiger
frigid karma
(i think there was only one tiger but that's still too many for ww2 france)
exotic scarab
frigid karma
considering they ran into tigers three times total in france
once, the sherman won
second, the pershing lost
third, the sherman blew up the tiger on a train
strong plank
honestly hope there aren't any more president-named ships
actually, screw modern presidents, start naming carriers after the old guys
frigid karma
nah just
strong plank
USS James Polk
frigid karma
screw presidents in general anymore
strong plank
USS Zachary Taylor
exotic scarab
That's the only part in my light ww2 studying that didn't make sense
strong plank
start whipping out the obscure guys
exotic scarab
Why did Furry have a lone tiger in the woods
strong plank
USS Millard Filmore
frigid karma
look
frigid karma
the problem with naming presidents after old presidents is soon our presidents will be "old" ones
so
in 80 years, my grandchild will be playing Azur Lane 4 and i'll walk into his bedroom to find him humping a body pillow of USS Obama on it
frigid karma
yes
strong plank
speaking of movies, I saw they're doing a Korean War one
exotic scarab
in 80 years, my grandchild will be playing Azur Lane 4 and i'll walk into his be...
Yes we can
I saw their making a movie about dahomey vs france
Where they got bodied so...
frigid karma
i mean we already have the uss obama, just in call of duty
frigid karma
and uss ohio is somehow in black ops
ah, speaking of call of duty
on the map "uss texas", it says CVN-65 on it
maiden citrus
the fallout 4 tech museum has a picture of montana
exotic scarab
Nv should be in museums one day
maiden citrus
truly is the better universe when it has montana
frigid karma
apparently the uss texas in cod also has an extremely bastardized turret arrangement
exotic scarab
Typical
gilded girder
I saw their making a movie about dahomey vs france
Dahomey dahomey dahomey
zealous vine
I just realized..
Is it just a WoWs thing, or did italian battleships actually smoke themselves up-?
Or, did they have plans for gigantic smoke generators-
ivory ridge
wows thing
zealous vine
Right..
eternal veldt
Its not an exclusive thing. The US had proper smoke generator/canisters.
Or... If you are really desperate, just fuck the boilers up by injecting fuel oil. Instant smoke.
chilly osprey
It definitely wasn't unique to them, though they did have a ton of smoke generators on them by 1943
As built the Littorio's had 14-16, and more were added during the war
I think there were around 22-24 by the time of the armistice, inclusive of all types?
It was mostly there to screw up targeting by aircraft
frigid karma
Or... If you are really desperate, just fuck the boilers up by injecting fuel oi...
Detonate the magazines:
- It produces smoke for cover
- Explosion will take out several close planes
- Planes will never bomb you again out of fear
brave epoch
Whats the relationship of bismark and vanguard?
chilly osprey
There sort of isn't one?
Aside, I guess, from the fact that Vanguard was used to film the movie 'Sink the Bismarck'
strong plank
Again, vanguard didn’t begun construction until months after Bismarck had been yeeted into the sea
manic latch
Whats the relationship of bismark and vanguard?
They both have 8 guns
cinder escarp
Whats the relationship of bismark and vanguard?
They've both been the subject of tremendous coping that they were actually a good and state of the art design for their service period.
manic latch
frigid karma
They've both been the subject of tremendous coping that they were actually a goo...
i object, she's a perfectly fine nuclear submarine
exotic scarab
Whats the relationship of bismark and vanguard?
both have fans that dont know about historical accuracy
just vanguard was made for a quick buck and bismarck was made to shoot at british
strong plank
vanguard was designed in a way that would get her off the slipway and into service faster, but as the war progressed they slowed down to incorporate more improvements
frigid karma
what silver said, and for a postwar britain, barely anything is a cheap buck
eternal veldt
Vanguard's FC suite was fairly decent, and second to US BBs as noted by Jaba. Also had decent seakeeping and smoke clearance.
The real kick in the balls, as noted by most people, are the 15" guns.
That, and I guess you can rail on the brits for still using a vertical belt?
frigid karma
tbf, at that point it's not like you can expect vanguard to be taking BB shells
biggest threat is a soyuz, and those were being scrapped by 1949
eternal veldt
Forgetting Jean Bart, are we?
I know they're allies, but still worthy to consider her as a threat.
And Fwiw Stalingrad was materialized (then beached like a whale)
frigid karma
i'm pretty sure vanguard could kick the ever living shit out of a stalingrad, vertical belt or not
and i said "biggest" threat, i doubt with the soviets breathing on their necks the french would be encourage to shoot up the british
unless they had a sudden communist coup
exotic scarab
"quick buck"
i was making a joke about cod vanguard
i have only seen vids of it but in one of the levels the japanese have volkstrum weapons
hollow wind
undone remnant
maiden citrus
🦃
remote monolith
been trying to look for a cheap fez for so long, they look comfy to use
eternal veldt
Hmm. Come to think of it, is Goeben's shitter right next to the mess hall like Erin?
If only there's a booklet of general plans of her online.
desert agate
probably is just in turkish
eternal veldt
reee, not digitized on BdA
manic latch
Hull of Chapayev class Ordzhinikidze in Nikolayev after German invasion 
manic latch
Thats a name and a half
Said the Saint-Remy-en-Bouzemont-Saint-Genest-et-Isson
manic latch
Ah yes
Never hearing the term of "fitting out"
Classic daily
Launched= completed smh
manic latch
Seems Turkey will begin their domestic 76mm gun testing
Yo undef will you add this to your 76mm list
Since it does look Italian
humble mulch
That gives me so much anxiety
manic latch
That gives me so much anxiety
You will be fine unless too heavy or slow
manic latch
humble mulch
”SPEED UP SPEED UP SPEED UP”
dusty kraken
can I have slope plus catapult for maximum spid
manic latch
can I have slope plus catapult for maximum spid
Its a possible action. But I don't think plane will be happy about it
spring briar
F-18 has successfully passed Cope Slope tests in India
humble mulch
Like Magic mountain
spring briar
I sleep tbh
manic latch
https://tenor.com/view/sleepy-sleeping-sleep-time-good-night-bedtime-gif-1591691...
Don't worry Rich. Greece will buy the Rafales
ivory ridge
but they are buying F-35s
manic latch
but they are buying F-35s
20 F-35A
24 Rafale
And 84 F-16 Block 70
Fuck not 34
24 Rafale
spring briar
manic latch
<:EssexCry:585585242169933827>
spring briar
No
manic latch
I meant the source for super horni being better at all that krem
Maybe
"The Super Hornet has a bigger and more powerful radar. The APG-79 is about 60% bigger than RBE2-AA which would equate to substantial difference in performance."
That being said, Meteor’s ramjet is a major advantage in air combat and will give Rafale considerable advantage until AIM-260 JATM becomes operational.
There’s not a large difference in their overall performance. The F-18 Super Hornet’s major advantage is that it provides similar performance at much lower cost.
‘With Meteor Rafale is more potent in air combat until 2022 while Super Hornet is a better multirole platform. With AIM-260 it’ll be a different game where Super Hornet can fully exploit its superior radar.’
spring briar
There’s not a large difference in their overall performance. The F-18 Super Horn...
Damn every time I try to read about super hornet I seem to fall asleep
chilly osprey
It's one less client for the 76mm, cringe
TFW the Turkish knockoff 76mm is still worse than Korean knockoff from 20 years ago which still isn't as good as the original
spring briar
chilly osprey
It's basically the 76/62 but the maximum rate of fire is only 100 rpm and it obviously lacks all the specialized munitions
ivory ridge
The carbon composite cupola of the gun has been improved: We were told that thanks to the new design, the WIA 76mm gun has radar cross section (RCS) about 80% smaller compared to the 76mm Compact by Oto Melara. We were also told that this gun has an improved rate of fire compared to its Italian counterpart (100 rounds per minutes).
chilly osprey
The Turkish MKEK gun only does 80 rpm, however
chilly osprey
I presume they were working from the Compatto as the basis of the gun?
chilly osprey
ivory ridge
spring briar
desert agate
super hornet my beloved
tough quail
x to doubt on super hornets being cheaper
frigid karma
it's called hornet so it's automatically more worth it
now we need the cvn 82 to be hornet so she can carry hornets
spring briar
spring briar
exotic scarab
Cold Parizhskaya Kommuna <a:Rossiya_Pet:778204874550542348>
how did they let it get so frozen
that must be a few days worth
somber knoll
speaking of bullets, would anyone mind to give some TL;Dr on the new 6.5(or is it 6.8?)x51 round?
I read some news on it and my head just goes to 6.8 Grendel, something that the Russians attempted before these caliber sizes become the new fad.
spring briar
spring briar
The new round is just rated for much higher pressures and pressure ranges and has a lot better ballistics than peepo 556
strong plank
The US army wanted a new caliber that’s more effective at greater range and can counter the proliferation of body armor
shrewd pecan
Army’s still keeping the M4 in service as well by the looks of it
shrewd pecan
Rear line troops alongside national guard units are still gonna be running 5.56
spring briar
The US army wanted a new caliber that’s more effective at greater range and can ...
Still can’t deal with body armor much better than 556 iirc
But ask cleve
shrewd pecan
honestly it’s more of a response to the type of combat we saw in Afghanistan
shrewd pecan
idk the main game changer is the FCS system
shrewd pecan
And the XM250 is just a straight out upgrade over the M249 in every way
strong plank
^
shrewd pecan
In terms of the XM5 I get the concerns with it
spring briar
I care more about the bullet than some garbo fcs sorry
Just learn to shoot ELR smh
shrewd pecan
sorry need my aimbot
spring briar
Smh
strong plank
From what I’ve heard, the XM5 might be better used as a DMR rather than given to every guy
spring briar
Eventually*
manic latch
how did they let it get so frozen
Ask Hms Belfast
spring briar
shrewd pecan
Only old platform staying in the combat infantry squads is the M240
spring briar
I mean
somber knoll
the ironic thing is, and this is purely a subjective observation, the Americans may have been able to skip the 5.56 if they had at least adopted a more controllable 7.62 battle rifles for main service ahem, FAL
As much as I love the Mark 14 EBR... there's a reason why G3s and FAL are kept in service in third world countries. and it's beside the money
strong plank
Not too bad actually iirc
shrewd pecan
M14s still in service world wide despite its faults
spring briar
Idk should be fine then
shrewd pecan
and I think the AR-15 was the right choice regardless
strong plank
Yeah like
The US tried the whole “a battle rifle for every man” approach and didn’t like it
shrewd pecan
From what I’ve seen the XM5 seems to be pretty controllable
somber knoll
also not all of them are Arnold so
shrewd pecan
main issues is just weight and mag capacity
somber knoll
yeah
spring briar
Guys calm
strong plank
and it’s not like the US was the only one to use 5.56
spring briar
As long as it is an actual upgrade its fine
Does it still have the forward assist?
spring briar
Fine then
strong plank
somber knoll
and it’s not like the US was the only one to use 5.56
Swiss has their own 5.6 variant yeah.
strong plank
Also like
somber knoll
ahem, SIG
spring briar
Always found it look very acr-y
strong plank
The rest of NATO uses 5.56
spring briar
I hate 556
tough quail
it just looks like an airsoft gun
the redeeming factor is that its back to straight mags
spring briar
somber knoll
it just looks like an airsoft gun
I was hoping it to be more SG-esque
strong plank
The rest of NATO uses 5.56
hell 5.56 was adopted by NATO because a lot of its members were looking into adopting a similar intermediate cartridge
spring briar
Guys
strong plank
Hey at least it’s not the general dynamics suppressor lol
spring briar
Standard americanoid skeletonized handguard no?
strong plank
I mean we’re looking at the standard gun rn, who knows what tweaks the army will issue
tough quail
yeah and i always thought those were super uggo
shrewd pecan
MLOK attachment system
manic latch
the redeeming factor is that its back to straight mags
Next generation= add cool plastic prefabs
Obvious on tanks
shrewd pecan
Standard americanoid skeletonized handguard no?
It’s not skeletonized it’s just MLOK
spring briar
That’s literally skeletonised with extra steps homie
strong plank
better range, better performance against body armor
manic latch
Just go watch forgotten weapons’ vid on it
See you need be more like Regal
manic latch
better range, better performance against body armor
spring briar
See you need be more like Regal
The body armor comment needs to be elaborated
manic latch
Ok anyway. What this weapon sacrificed for range
somber knoll
we back to 20 round bois
shrewd pecan
and has only 20 round mags
manic latch
So I assume in a battle of close range encounters. You would prefer an M4 over this?
spring briar
shrewd pecan
yes
manic latch
spring briar
I’d prefer an mcx at close range
tough quail
practically speaking you'd almost always prefer an M4
spring briar
tough quail
because the round is really stupid
strong plank
Also got a collapsible stock, rear and side-mounted charging handles, and a nifty gas system selector thing
tough quail
it's just kind of a dipshits middle ground between a regular assault rifle and a DMR
tough quail
it's just a gun busting round
somber knoll
why do I feel like this is gonna be a repeat of M14 in terms of adoption process again?
tough quail
that everyone is going to be trained wrong for
because the actual practice rounds is much lower pressure and lower velocity
because the actual round is both too expensive and horribly degrading on the gun itself
the height of quality
shrewd pecan
I don’t think barrel life is all that bad on the XM5 in terms of weapons expecting to go into combat
somber knoll
because the actual round is both too expensive and horribly degrading on the gun...
oh yeah, Ian and Mike pointed it out too
spring briar
Sigh
manic latch
Higher velocity = always worse barrel life
tough quail
the round puts dramatically more pressure on parts across the board compared to an M4
tough quail
you can make a high velocity round without having ridiculous barrel wear through other tradeoffs
somber knoll
Higher velocity = always worse barrel life <a:MONKE:982313304603123803>
unless you're HK 
tough quail
its just in this case it went the "absurd barrel pressure" route
somber knoll
then again the price is gonna hike up
manic latch
Xm5 replacement program
Railgun 
5 ammo charge mag.
Weight: yes
Can't use it without mounting
Barrel Explodes after too much use
spring briar
Every time militaries ask for rounds capable of defeating body armor
While also having better ballistics, maybe less recoil etc
somber knoll
Xm5 replacement program
Railgun <:5Head:982309831446765589>
or just go the StarCraft route and develop a Gauss Rifle instead
spring briar
And they always wonder why you can’t cheat newton’s laws
somber knoll
Ian has a video on it
manic latch
or just go the StarCraft route and develop a Gauss Rifle instead
We are primitive apes. We will always throw a hard material not a plasma
tough quail
somber knoll
praise the Drum
tough quail
it's a pan smh
somber knoll
strong plank
“I am the way and the light, except occasional the light is muzzle flash”
tough quail
alright richie thank you
tough quail
i now have a segue one again to rant about how the chauchat was the superior automatic rifle for field service
tough quail
oh im just coming from the fact it's way cheaper to produce and you can actually feasibly clean it
spring briar
Also
LMG in ww1
Nuff said
And the Belgian modified chauchats are pog
But back to 6.8
Or should I say
.277 fury
manic latch
And the Belgian modified chauchats are pog
tough quail
belgian modified anything is pretty good
they managed to make BARs actually functional
somber knoll
oh, yeah, and back to my earlier 6.8/.277 Fury vs 6.5 Grendel impression
sullen canyon
https://tenor.com/view/machiavillain-bored-ape-yacht-club-bayc-scooby-doo-unmask...
I knew it, it was an NFT all along
spring briar
<:Soyuz_wha:943675886887129099>
Belgo-Russian excellence
Sadly they swapped it for TT-33
Or well
TT-33 is also blessed
manic latch
Belgo-Russian excellence
Construction of the Nagant revolver in Russia began as early as 1901 in the state-owned Tule armaments factory, which were initially built under license. The production there, however, eclipsed all other production, so that the Nagant revolver is now regarded as a Russian weapon.
somber knoll
based Tula Arms
somber knoll
oh, yeah, and back to my earlier 6.8/.277 Fury vs 6.5 Grendel impression
how will you chaps think these two may compare?
iirc the Grendel was available as a kit option to modify the AK-12
spring briar
Just looking at this cartridge gives me cost fallacy vibes
Bullet is nice tho
Atleast they didn’t go with polymer ammo
spring briar
https://tenor.com/view/tf2-heavy-meet-the-heavy-bullet-outsmart-bullet-gif-20206...
Level III-a
strong plank
I’m interested in seeing what they could do with polymer-cased ammo in the future
obviously quality control becomes a lot more important there
tough quail
Just looking at this cartridge gives me cost fallacy vibes
at least it looks cool
somber knoll
as long as it doesn't melt in the chamber, I'm fine with it
spring briar
Russian subsonic .50
humble mulch
Bro can't wait for the US government to buy my print farm
spring briar
strong plank
Tea becomes a government contractor for tax purposes
humble mulch
Print all the polymer 6.8 for em
Damn right bro
My printers pay for themselves
Literally
humble mulch
They break so often you can write them off 100% within 6 months
I now have 13 ender-3s
ivory ridge
humble mulch
Do they taste like penny's
desert agate
i was gonna make that joke way lewder but i dont want a warn
dusty kraken
does a .303 fit in an ear
frigid karma
Bro can't wait for the US government to buy my print farm
Tea you can’t pad your business in ALO
Permabanned
manic latch
Russian subsonic .50 <:Blessex:753375684126310451>
spring briar
Wtf is wrong with yall
desert agate
Wtf is wrong with yall
horny
humble mulch
I can I just can't publicly advertise here
dusty kraken
once again an example of mod hypocrisy
manic latch
Wtf is wrong with yall
Rate 40k Bolt bullets
humble mulch
I read hyptosissy
spring briar
@manic latch
manic latch
spring briar
Rate 40k Bolt bullets
Too wide
Too slow
Mass and capacity looks great
desert agate
taste test .303 brit vs .30-06
dusty kraken
im pretty sure bolters are like 20mm
spring briar
taste test .303 brit vs .30-06
.30-06 steel case
Easily
desert agate
and 8mm lebel?
manic latch
Also 40k bolters in like
Sources say .75 cal
humble mulch
Ah ok
manic latch
A fanart
somber knoll
btw, on the subject of case materials, which one do you prefer the most personally?
humble mulch
Brass
spring briar
btw, on the subject of case materials, which one do you prefer the most personal...
Brass or gtfo
Seriously
manic latch
Diamond 
humble mulch
Brass can go into like every gun
somber knoll
figured so
dusty kraken
There's other choices than brass?
humble mulch
Or just works poorly
manic latch
There's other choices than brass?
Silver for werewolves
spring briar
If she can’t run steel she doesnt deserve brass
But he who runs steel deserves death
somber knoll
There's other choices than brass?
Soviets used to have steel 7.62 casings for AKs iirc
spring briar
Tula steal case
humble mulch
If you do you are a fucking mongrol
spring briar
humble mulch
And broke as dog shit
dusty kraken
Wood case
humble mulch
You know how expensive brass 7.62 is?
humble mulch
It's a fucking AK
spring briar
Just oil it and clean it
manic latch
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Eldest_Son
This still causes AK to explode randomly sometimes
frigid karma
Tea you were soliciting sex with your ammunition
humble mulch
I don't by surplus ammo
frigid karma
Mod abuse
manic latch
This still causes AK to explode randomly sometimes
Since not sure how many sabotaged ammo US actually dropped
manic latch
I buy red army standard
humble mulch
And that's all that matters for an AK
spring briar
Real men run steel bullets
If your barrel can handle mild steel on the rifling you are safe 
humble mulch
somber knoll
owo
frigid karma
It’s not a platonic relationship if there’s money involved
humble mulch
Since not sure how many sabotaged ammo US actually dropped
It's mainly in the middle east now
frigid karma
dusty kraken
Reject rifling, return to smoothbore
desert agate
tank development circa 1960s
humble mulch
The steel bullet makes it a smoothbore
desert agate
reject trebuchet return to arm
spring briar
Reject spon
humble mulch
But we all use our arms hit
desert agate
dusty kraken
Reject arm, leave object in neutral state
desert agate
dusty kraken
460mm
humble mulch
223
frigid karma
6.5
humble mulch
spring briar
223 also forbidden
desert agate
6.5 carcano my beloved
humble mulch
I know it's just 556
manic latch
12.7 Kord 
spring briar
Y’all…
Noone picked .451 whitworth?
somber knoll
7.92 (both full size Mauser and Kurz variant) or .338 Lapua
dusty kraken
Oh no spon is going to assassinate the president
desert agate
[redacted]
manic latch
Oh no spon is going to assassinate the president
Red sun in the sky starts playing
desert agate
aight g'night nerds
frigid karma
hello #history
i have brought a new flavor of quora posting, worse than bismarck
gun nuts
spring briar
Damn guys
strong plank
What’s y’alls favourite caliber
.308 was kinda fun the last time I shot it
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Two years after the Germans introduced STG44, Russians brandished their “new” weapon. Of course they didn’t copy it entirely, nobody is that stupid. They changed it and they certainly improved it. But the AK47 it is a clear-as-daylight development of the German STG concept.
Let me give you a reverse example: the German Panther was a blatant copy of the Russian T34. It was NOT identical, and the Germans were careful to change key aspects of the tank, in order to make it look original. They made the tank bigger, with a different gun; they chose front wheel drive instead of rear wheel drive. They located the turret in the middle, not in the front. And they used gasoline instead of diesel, etc etc. But all these technical details are of little importance, since the CONCEPT is identical: a medium tank with sloped armor, with a 75mm high-velocity gun, with wide tracks and good mobility. The design process had taken Russians about 20 years of development, including BT-2 and BT-7 precursors of T-34.
somber knoll
i have brought a new flavor of quora posting, worse than bismarck
same old same old
spring briar
@tough quail
somber knoll
https://www.quora.com/Is-the-AK-47-a-copy-of-the-German-Sturmgewehr-44
when they don't realise that the AK is secretly American 
frigid karma
when they don't realise that the AK is secretly American <:AkagiLUL:531988392699...
somone down lower did point this out
frigid karma
I once saw an interview where Colonel Kalashikov said that his AK-47 took design elements from various American firearms and put them into the AK-47. He stated very flatly that his AK-47 was in no way a copy nor a clone of the STG-44.
Kalashikov said that he took the medium weight bullet from the M-1 Garand rifle. They took the compact size of the M-1 carbine. They took the overall style or structure of the Thompson submachinegun for their AK-47 and then packaged them all together and came up with their rifle.
From the side, when you look at it and compare the AK-47 to a Thompson you can kind of see what he means. When you think about his rifle shooting a .30 caliber round, that’s a good choice for a bullet because the 123 grain weight weight or so bullet in a medium .30 caliber works well for most shooting needs. The length of the AK-47 makes it not too short and not too long, just like the M-1 carbine so that’s a good choice too.
So what he said makes sense once you think about it.
never heard much about the m-1 carbine though
manic latch
Americans when there is a good Soviet equipment = must be American
Americans when bad Soviet equipment= gotta be non American
somber knoll
never heard much about the m-1 carbine though
it was an attempt to shorten the Garand with full auto capability and smaller round iitc
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Americans when there is a good Soviet equipment = must be American
Americans w...
i'm sorry what
dusty kraken
I will now drop the bombest gun take while knowing nothing about guns
frigid karma
how many examples of the first one can you name
dusty kraken
M14 is better than the XM5
strong plank
the garand was one of the firearms Kalashnikov looked at during its development, and the gas systems of the two are very similar
somber knoll
M14 is better than the XM5
in base wood or Mark 14 variant?
strong plank
the garand was one of the firearms Kalashnikov looked at during its development,...
I’m pretty sure Brandon Herrera did a vid where he compared the internals of the two and talked about their similarities
somber knoll
yeh,
somber knoll
iirc he said that they basically reverse the Garand action and voila, AK action
tough quail
upside down garand
frigid karma
we need a gun made of pure ceramic
strong plank
obviously the AK isn’t a copy of anything, but it did take some cues from a few existing firearms
but that’s just how firearm designs work really
manic latch
Why we don't have sabot rounds for guns, not enough damage ?
somber knoll
one good thing about the AK got from Garand is that Kalashnikov retain the Garand's 3 locking lugs.
tough quail
Why we don't have sabot rounds for guns, not enough damage ?<:hmm:88672690244904...
very niche and also probably biblically expensive to manufacture
somber knoll
Why we don't have sabot rounds for guns, not enough damage ?<:hmm:88672690244904...
just use slugs smh
tough quail
but that’s just how firearm designs work really
also even if you "copy" stuff it's not necessarily a knock period
strong plank
never heard much about the m-1 carbine though
tough quail
because it it ends up working good bundled together
it means you know what's good in contemporary firearms
and you're smart enough not to slam stupid bullshit in
strong plank
It’s just common sense really
dusty kraken
Probably not worth it to make a tiny dart durable enough to pentrate body armor when existing ones can already do
strong plank
odds are someone else had already figured out a solution to a problem you may be encountering
tough quail
like i give the g43 shit for being a literal copy of the svt-40 only because wehrbs claim only ruskies copy shit
in reality it was a very good idea
because it's a reliable gun to actually base yours off of and way better than the nightmare g41
why wouldnt you
somber knoll
oh my lovely ZF scope
tough quail
hell didnt the stg base its round off of some swiss or swedish intermediate too iirc
somber knoll
like i give the g43 shit for being a literal copy of the svt-40 only because weh...
can a G43 with the ZF be considered an early DMR?
manic latch
Horse, you heard the news about Dimitry Donskoi's fate right?
tough quail
can a G43 with the ZF be considered an early DMR?
it counts, yeah
any weird "sniper" version of a semi auto would i think
manic latch
Horse, you heard the news about Dimitry Donskoi's fate right? <:feelssadman:6185...
Last Typhoon will be scrapped
somber knoll
P O W E R
humble mulch
Lol
Like it makes sense to run .45acp if you have a bunch of limitations
Like for security guards
spring briar
Ayy what you got there?
-45 acp
Haha I have body armor, try to stop me
-loads steel .45 acp
manic latch
Tungsten bullets 
spring briar
45 acp is so slow
humble mulch
Of pure American freedom
It is slow
But when you can only carry 50 rounds max in 7 to 10rd mags
Gotta make every shot count
humble mulch
Yeah
But that’s straight up steel baby
tough quail
i wonder how hard it would annihilate your arms to upscale a ppsh to fire .45 at the same rate of fire
tough quail
i assume you hold down the trigger and your arms just noclip off your body
spring briar
i wonder how hard it would annihilate your arms to upscale a ppsh to fire .45 at...
Kriss vector
humble mulch
May as well go all out baby
dusty kraken
Isn't there a Thompson prototype that fires at 1000rpm
humble mulch
Kris’s vector is cheating
tough quail
Kriss vector
wait the fuck i didnt know the rof was that high on that thing
humble mulch
Also idk it’s actual fire rate
tough quail
good lord
dusty kraken
Literally called Annihilator iirc
spring briar
Kekw
tough quail
i assume it has some recoil dampening super science
humble mulch
In video games it’s really fast
spring briar
i assume it has some recoil dampening super science
Yes
tough quail
i mean just full basic bitch straight blow back
humble mulch
Yeah it does
humble mulch
Lmao
spring briar
dusty kraken
Damn bruh I thought it stands for virgins
tough quail
"that one stapler gun"
dusty kraken
💀
spring briar
Guys I just want steel bullets in all calibers now
humble mulch
spring briar
22 lr steel?
humble mulch
If you hit it enough
spring briar
Hmmm
humble mulch
humble mulch
Same 4” area yeah
tough quail
we're talking about western 3A
humble mulch
Should be enough to break a ceramic plate and let a round through
22lr has very little kick so I can’t imagine it’d be that hard to keep it level
spring briar
My skull can stop 22lr in some spots
tough quail
my brain was on russian 3 which is like, 5.45 rating
humble mulch
Yeah
humble mulch
Well 3A is lower then all 3s
spring briar
Wait nvm
9x39 is already basically full steel
Depending on the type of bullet
Like sp6
tough quail
ebin 12.7×55mm hours
tough quail
toot if u up
spring briar
Ayo my boys looking good
.500 phantom my beloved
Going out there like
Like a rugby ball in terms of ballistic curve
Lobbing artillery shells b like
tough quail
at that point thats not even a cartridge thats just a shank that looks like one
spring briar
It is quite literally lobbing that bullet
To the point you can see it flying down range
hushed saffron
reject .500, embrace .950 JDJ
tough quail
im glad the 1940s USN is finally making small arms
tough quail
yaes
frigid karma
reject .500, embrace .950 JDJ
Mama’s ammunition of choice
Chonker ammunition
A near miss will cause internal bleeding from the shockwave
spring briar
A near miss will cause internal bleeding from the shockwave
Good old .50 bmg flying past you will still rip your arm off - myth
“Vacuum energy”
tough quail
da
maiden citrus
Mama’s ammunition of choice
every bullet, a near miss punch from saitama
manic latch
Mama
desert agate
spring briar
maiden citrus
maiden citrus
spring briar
spiral cedar
Hey look, it’s Prinz Eugen
zealous vine
What in the-
Is there any merit in this design compared to the others (maybe citadel length???)
alpine onyx
Citadel length is the merit
In every other regard it's inferior to pretty much all the other layouts that exist
I guess you also enjoy better TDS-depth at the magazines
spring briar
spring briar
In every other regard it's inferior to pretty much all the other layouts that ex...
Oh no, we can’t fire directly ahead
ivory ridge
Skill issue
spring briar
No gladio for you
alpine onyx
Firing angles wouldn't be my main complaint here, tho I'd be curious to see if they did some muzzle blast calculations since at some angles you'd have the muzzle very close to the structure
spring briar
I mean
So do many bb’s with even less wonky layouts
I’d like to see a version of it with full ss
Would still be pretty awkward tho
And you’d have to devote a bunch of armor to protect parts of the bow and stern
alpine onyx
The turret spacing got dropped which was kind of desirable, you have a large space amidships that you kinda wanna keep clear for the turrets and that you can't spam with AA (a problem similar to what G&D describes for Richelieu) and of the prelims it had the lowest heavy AA count
alpine onyx
But weren't those prelims all armored to the same standard?
spring briar
Oh no I’m starting to sound like Hiraga
No I don’t think so?
I thought this one had 350-360mm of belt
alpine onyx
Jordan says the prelims all had 360mm belts and 160mm decks
And the same tonnage + whatever overweight they'd bring
alpine onyx
I'd assume with that 40mm internal deck to at least minimize flooding
Or they went the proper way and added a waterline belt
alpine onyx
I guess you'll need some armor for those forward 130mm quads
spring briar
Yes that’s what I’m on about
Since they’re so far from the centre
They should have something around them
spring briar
alpine onyx
spring briar
U bulli
Anywho
The french have some semblance of aesthetics so they’d never accept that
Hiraga bs be damned
Then I’d rather have german pepaga choices
alpine onyx
Just take the right stuff from the Germans and you'll be fine
dapper parcel
unless she got Iowa-like bow, it would be quite shit ride in the bridge
remote monolith
spring briar
That’s flocking amazing
tribal mortar
Do we have guns on ships with 155m size?
manic latch
Do we have guns on ships with 155m size?
What