I don't see Carol posting
#history
fervent bobcat
Romania's real job was dealing the death blow to the Habsburgs
jovial elm
"the t34 was an expensive tank made cheaply"
humble mulch
It wasn't a good idea to hop in
spring briar
"the t34 was an expensive tank made cheaply"
you watched laserpig didn't you
humble mulch
Bro Romania in the 20s
fervent bobcat
then get big... only to lose it all
jovial elm
you watched laserpig didn't you
Imma just shut up ok
humble mulch
Kinda
spring briar
humble mulch
spring briar
can we talk about Algérie
jovial elm
Anyone wanna talk about how much the A10 sucks
Or how bad pier sprey is
I'm very original
desert agate
Ugh laserpig
humble mulch
But it's still good to like
Read his sources and other ones
jovial elm
His server was great for the first night
desert agate
And his takes can be shit sometimes
jovial elm
And his takes can be shit sometimes
Such as
humble mulch
Youtuber discord being good impossible
spring briar
laserpig could be great
if only he got to the fucking point
desert agate
Cant think of any off the top of my head
humble mulch
Yeah well like
spiral cedar
can we talk about Algérie
humble mulch
He knows his audience
desert agate
He did plagiarise Spookstion tho
humble mulch
He makes videos for idiots
desert agate
Still have that background project about becoming a history YouTuber myself
jovial elm
laserpig could be great
if only he got to the fucking point
What do you mean if only, oh and this reminds me of a story I heard about another YouTuber, which brings me to another story, where was I?
iDK
sullen canyon
spring briar
why are great eastern and hms victory in there
where is sodak
and where is averof
desert agate
Soon™️
humble mulch
Who need more shit to keep them watching and what not and entertained
spring briar
great eastern was a failure
spiral cedar
spring briar
desert agate
Lol
Lmao even
spring briar
algérie is deserved
as well as Fletcher
but lack of Sodak is disturbing
jovial elm
1 in 5 are British
desert agate
1 in 5 are British
Yeah and it's the worst choice possible and a nationalist wank
spring briar
also if you're gonna do an ocean liner
please pick between Normandie, United states, Queen Mary or smth...
AND NOT GREAT EASTERN
jovial elm
Yeah and it's the worst choice possible and a nationalist wank
Why is it the worst choice?
humble mulch
Anyways richy
Romania in the 1910s was probably an infant, was more or less not fucking ready for the brand fuck all new kind of Warfare
And were fighting the Germans who'd beat them in probably every regard and the Austro-Hungarians who probably just matched them. Russia was worse then them imo and then backed out. So to became a 2v1 and they needed an out which they got
jovial elm
Victory isn't exactly a nationalist wank anymore.
Surely any ship from Britain would be called a "nationalist wank"
desert agate
Do you know anything about ss great Eastern?
spring briar
Anyways richy
Romania in the 1910s was probably an infant, was more or less not...
there's a difference in wars fought on your own soil
you can see this with the serbs
the french
the romanians
etc
it's just different
humble mulch
Yeah
spring briar
it hits an emotional chord
humble mulch
And they were Frances mistress
desert agate
Please do not make bad and inaccurate historical generalisations
humble mulch
spring briar
if you want to judge a country on military achievements
ask yourself
when was the russian invasion of france
and then
when was the french invasion of russia
fervent bobcat
if you want to judge a country on military achievements
ask yourself
when was th...
1933 french elections
fervent bobcat
1870 paris commune
communism hadnt been hijacked by bolsheviks yet so not russian
desert agate
🍿
spring briar
spiral cedar
Drach says the only treaty-compliant cruiser class to achieve
a) at least 30 knots
b) at least 8 x 8” guns
c) enough AA/AAA
d) protection against own guns at reasonable battle range
besides Algerie were…the Counties?
spring briar
actually
tbh
Drach probably excercised massive restraint to not include more british ships
like warspite
fervent bobcat
Really the authoritarian blood stained vision of communism we have now didnt really exist until the collapse of the Russian Empire
spiral cedar
@tough quail
ivory ridge
why are great eastern and hms victory in there
where is sodak
and where is aver...
Averof the amalgamation of like 5 different countries stuff
1900s be like
fervent bobcat
like before that communism was hated because rich people didnt want to lose their money
fervent bobcat
now its hated because everyone gets to die equally
unless youre part of the party 
spring briar
spring briar
<:Thinkpitz:754192058163527732> Drach says the only treaty-compliant cruiser cla...
Sodak should be in it
take it or leave it
tough quail
algerie is there ill take it
spring briar
HMS Victory is ???
delicate beacon
best designed ship
ivory ridge
so true
delicate beacon
what if
manic latch
Do you know what's forgotten?
Good deeds of Soviet Union
Since people have no clue About them
spring briar
people who give a damn do have a clue
spiral cedar
Full literacy was neat
manic latch
Everyone Remembers Union by Stalin. But 0 clue about Khrushchev
delicate beacon
manic latch
Brezhnev too
delicate beacon
Replace the 15cms with best calibre
Then add twin DP turret in front for extra low calibre protection
and another one aft because why not
spring briar
>Calls the New Orleans class overly flammable because they carry too many aircra...
that's a little nit picky
if anything he could've mentioned the deck or the large concentration amidships
but otherwise a really neat CA
manic latch
Full literacy was neat
Rule 1
If it's British, %90 chance he will hate Russia/Soviet Union
Rule 2
If it's American, %70 Chance
ivory ridge
This but a scratch
delicate beacon
10x 194mm, 10x 88 or 105mm w/e
spring briar
bow impact?
ivory ridge
torp
delicate beacon
spring briar
on the bow?
ivory ridge
yes
ivory ridge
Attilio Regolo was torpedoed by the submarine HMS Unruffled on 7 November 1942, and remained in drydock for several months with her bow shattered
she ruffled her
spring briar
poor girl got thumped on the nose
delicate beacon
BOOP!
strong plank
Sorry I know the Brits like to give their ships names that reflect on their strength
but like
HMS Unruffled
silver crest
HMS Unruffled
manic latch
Easy answer.
China
desert agate
<:Thinkpitz:754192058163527732> Drach says the only treaty-compliant cruiser cla...
LMFAO
fervent bobcat
Wow I can’t believe I went a whole convo in this channel without being ad hominemed or ganked
spring briar
drach should've made a top 10 and added sodak, la galissoniere, Warsprite, CR and bismarck
delicate beacon
Bismarck is the best
He managed to sink the strongest brand new ship from the Royal navy!
manic latch
Wow I can’t believe I went a whole convo in this channel without being ad homine...
I weren't there while ye were typing. So consider thyself lucky 
silver crest
He managed to sink the strongest brand new ship from the Royal navy!
did the germans actually call their ships 'he'?
desert agate
Bathurst class
delicate beacon
N O
silver crest
i see this all the time
spiral cedar
did the germans actually call their ships 'he'?
No
spring briar
only ernst Lindemann did
manic latch
did the germans actually call their ships 'he'?
Her fucking captain did
spring briar
and he was a sexist
delicate beacon
Only two people did and it's because of sexist reasons
desert agate
Best corvettes of the war
spiral cedar
The official documents only use female or neuter pronouns
(Or, usually, none at all)
ivory ridge
La Creatura
spring briar
ayo undy
strong plank
it’s too powerful to be called a female!
gets humiliated by the Royal Navy
spring briar
was Trento protecc against her own gunnes
spiral cedar
>it’s too powerful to be called a female!
>gets humiliated by the Royal Navy
He has a femdom preference
ivory ridge
TIL she was scrapped back in Italy
silver crest
i remember a bunch of hoi4 werhbs getting irritated when you call the bismarck a she
spring briar
everything was scrapped in italy undy
manic latch
He has a femdom preference
Tomboy 
ivory ridge
was Trento protecc against her own gunnes
70mm Belt
prrrobably not
silver crest
hoi4 discord is a shithole
spring briar
>70mm Belt
prrrobably not
where TDS
ivory ridge
everything was scrapped in italy undy
Riche was, JB wasnt
spring briar
JB was scrapped on the moon
also I meant as in
La Spezia was a big ship scrapping site
Ubiquitous
ivory ridge
BRO
strong plank
Unruly
spring briar
Uganda
spring briar
URMOM
strong plank
Unstoppable
ivory ridge
spring briar
delicate beacon
Undefined starts with U
silver crest
the brits really picked weirdass names for their ships
delicate beacon
Maybe he's an HMS ship
silver crest
manic latch
Ultrafidian
ivory ridge
Maybe he's an HMS ship
so true
spring briar
that's what happens if you build your entire culture on building botes because you suck at land wars
manic latch
that's what happens if you build your entire culture on building botes because y...
Explains Vikings
delicate beacon
Vikings did great on land
manic latch
Exactly
spring briar
yea that's the point
silver crest
they raided the fuck out of everything
manic latch
Agincourt
manic latch
Muh rain
chilly osprey
>it’s too powerful to be called a female!
>gets humiliated by the Royal Navy
My running thing for people insisting on the 'He' is to just call the final battle of Bismarck "The world's most violent pegging session"
spring briar
~~Agincourt~~
also you forgot poitiers and crecy
chilly osprey
Anywho
spring briar
I see phoenix
I didn't know you were into that sort of thing
but rising up does seem to be a theme of yours
manic latch
My running thing for people insisting on the 'He' is to just call the final batt...
Wouldn't be against Soyuz pegging ngl 
strong plank
So the thinktank I’m interning at has me reading up on the Pentomic division
chilly osprey
I didn't know you were into that sort of thing
but rising up does seem to be a t...
Erm, no. Not into that lol
desert agate
Wouldn't be against Soyuz pegging ngl <a:booba:807407845703155712>
#history moment
strong plank
it’s a massive bruh moment
delicate beacon
<#515583624083406848> moment
@manic latch moment
manic latch
<#515583624083406848> moment
Sovetsky is masculine while Sovetskaya is feminine, thus Soyuz is male
spring briar
So the thinktank I’m interning at has me reading up on the Pentomic division
speaking of interning
manic latch
FDR did some not-too-cool things
Nah he was friendly with Soviets.
He good
Better than Tr*man
chilly osprey
Anywho, getting more back on track - as far as the RM went, it seems they didn't really think that a 70mm belt could hold against 203mm at any range unless you were at absurd angles. Against 152mm, they thought it would hold out to 14,000 meters, or closer to 12,000 meters at a 30° angle
desert agate
Don't ask what happened to Australias German population in 1914-1921
chilly osprey
So the Trento-class were definitely not getting credited with any kind of IZ against 203mm guns
desert agate
manic latch
Tfw Kirov has more belt armor than Trento 
spring briar
Better than Tr*man
what has Troman done to you????
chilly osprey
Kirov
50mm
spring briar
strong plank
the more I read about Pentomics the more I thank god it was never actually used
manic latch
La Galissonniere goes 105
your point?
Wait what was her caliber
spring briar
152
spring briar
is it?
delicate beacon
180 is too
chilly osprey
laughs in Abruzzi
desert agate
Wtf
spring briar
sit
manic latch
180 is too
Nah 180mm was a light cruiser caliber. British couldn't comprehend it
desert agate
Perth class was 76mm and she was designed to be cheap
spring briar
Kremlin
what was the reload rate of the Kirovs
desert agate
Still more than Trento
spring briar
desert agate
manic latch
Kremlin
what was the reload rate of the Kirovs
Yes
chilly osprey
Still more than Trento
because speeeeeed
ivory ridge
Perth class 
ivory ridge
also uh
tough quail
perth is nearly a decade newer than trento
spiral cedar
So from some quick digging online, wartime losses amount to
~18% of Polish population
16% of Ukrainian population (excluding migration, territorial changes, and 1947 famine)
(by comparison, Holodomor was probably around 13% of UKR population)
tough quail
and 6" armed
tough quail
not 8"
ivory ridge
not 76mm belt
tough quail
also she has *box- unde beat me to it
spring briar
kekwomega
tough quail
perth is built like a wet paper bag in comparison
chilly osprey
Also, don't the leanders only have a 25mm deck?
manic latch
<:Dunkheh:611004133914312739>
What if you used children loaders for cramped turrets. Would it increase the reload?
Nah too weak, need short people I guess
spring briar
What if you used children loaders for cramped turrets. Would it increase the rel...
who tf loads 180mm by hand
tough quail
back in your cave RAN gremlin
ivory ridge
tough quail
not unless they're really jacked kids
at that point you should just get really short dudes
manic latch
Yeah autoloader is the way
desert agate
Perth wasn't mag box?
spring briar
desert agate
back in your cave RAN gremlin
spring briar
desert agate
and 6" armed
Yeah that's my point
spring briar
starting up boilers be like
manic latch
<:HelenaYan:911041287828959242>
Richel stealing Rich's 380mm
spring briar
TURK
desert agate
manic latch
T-34s with french oscillating turrets
delicate beacon
Bismarck with French oscillating turrets
tough quail
i too remember when the french army plowed through germany and captured bisko in port
truly based
chilly osprey
God the more I look at British assumptions about foreign ship armor the more cursed it gets
spring briar
imagine if the 1939 offensive had gone through...
chilly osprey
For some reason they thought the Duca d'Aosta-class had a 120mm belt
delicate beacon
i too remember when the french army plowed through germany and captured bisko in...
When you play HoI as the French and you're not an idiot by letting Germany rearm
manic latch
i too remember when the french army plowed through germany and captured bisko in...
imagine if Germans actually finished Sovetskaya Ukraina with German equipment and guns
Fucking 6 380mm Soyuz class 
spring briar
imagine if the 1939 offensive had gone through...
tough quail
something something foch annex things
tough quail
<:Despair:959447941393842256> imagine if Germans actually finished Sovetskaya Uk...
soyuz hull jank and german machinery
a match made in the deepest pits of hell
delicate beacon
<:Despair:959447941393842256> imagine if Germans actually finished Sovetskaya Uk...
Improvement. 
manic latch
a match made in the deepest pits of hell
Would fix her in no time 
delicate beacon
German 38cm twin > Soviet 406mm trip
spring briar
Horse
would you have some time to talk about our lord and saviour
9x39 mm SP6?
manic latch
German 38cm twin > Soviet 406mm trip
Yeah man 6 380mm> 9 406mm
tough quail
baby oh baby
i wonder if my mosin still has the sunk in cosmoline smell or if its been long enough
manic latch
spring briar
KGB:
ok so we need
- range
- subsonic
- armor piercing
- expansion in soft targets
tough quail
yeap stilll just a teensy bit there
manic latch
KGB:
ok so we need
- range
- subsonic
- armor piercing
- expansion in soft targ...
Stalin's chad KGB: Needs Pickaxe
tough quail
that said for french guns im probably going for a mas-36 first (and probably my next gun period)
im strangely biased to it
spring briar
the MAS-36 just looks different
like a lot of bolt actions look similar
but the MAS just looks like smth new
like a new species
tough quail
it do
tough quail
it's easily my favorite bolt action of the war aesthetically
runner up probably being an arisaka with the dust cover
spring briar
the Arisaka is also an amazing rifle
actually better than most of the japanese ships
if not all of them
tender monolith
i wouldn't imagine you'd want to get poked by any bayonet, really
manic latch
i wouldn't imagine you'd want to get poked by any bayonet, really
Soyuz's bayonet
sullen canyon
It looks like it might have an attachment for the rifle there
sullen canyon
It's like kind of a waste as a bayonet though
unborn wyvern
Imaging getting charged by some dude and he's got a SWord on the end of his rifle
spring briar
if you don't plan on napoleonic style warfare sure
you can just keep it on you and stick it on when absolutely needed
they are also more of a propaganda and morale weapon post 1870 ish
spiral cedar
For Leander, per Jordan
spring briar
delicate beacon
sullen canyon
Now it's more like bayonets are like, your ammo stock is low/out, time to make a desperate attempt
spiral cedar
Per Friedman
delicate beacon
spring briar
🤝 🇬🇧
spring briar
Swords are nice
manic latch
George 6 
manic latch
Swords are nice
Yes
manic latch
last time britain gave smth to the USSR
US?
sullen canyon
manic latch
spring briar
calm
spiral cedar
last time britain gave smth to the USSR
Radar
desert agate
Nene jet engines
spiral cedar
Jet engines
manic latch
Jet engines
Was a based move ngl
spiral cedar
Moles in the Manhattan Project
desert agate
gives USSR jet engines
males them promise not to use it for military projects
they do it anyway
put it in the mig-15 and make the best of the 1st generation fighters
manic latch
tough quail
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sword_of_Stalingrad
fucking rad???
manic latch
>gives USSR jet engines
>males them promise not to use it for military projects
...
That's like giving gunpowder to someone and making them promise to only use it for fireworks
desert agate
This is the British we're talking about
manic latch
This is the British we're talking about
Good times 
V For victory of Churchill + Stalin as name
desert agate
<:Soyuzstare:683158834767986699> <:QEShock:969036546755952710>
We sent some minor naval support
Thus included
spring briar
should've sent emus
desert agate
Fuck you
spring briar
strong plank
if you stick a 50 cal on the back of an emu, would that make it a technical? 
spring briar
spiral cedar
1933 life expectancy of 7.3 years for males
spiral cedar
Those wartime mortality rates 
spiral cedar
?
tough quail
all of that
manic latch
Suffering of Soviet Union 
manic latch
Yeah
Part of Soviet Union
spiral cedar
Mhm
There’s also a section about how territorial changes in those years affected population counts
Since the Ukrainian SSR officially changed size a few times
manic latch
Ye
manic latch
Tsars gave Ukraine the most land. Then Lenin as second
And Stalin is the reason Poland got eye on Lviv
spiral cedar
ivory ridge
"creator of f-16"
strong plank
creator of dn
maiden citrus
I always wondered how lines of thinking like that pop up
'ah yes the best systems in the world can't do it, but you see, if you use this really crappy 80 year old one...'
delicate beacon
Ukraine in 1054
strong plank
opposes advanced platforms
claims credit for advanced platform
maiden citrus
bigcraine
manic latch
Ukraine in 1054
Poor Poland
sullen canyon
Poland might be okay with this.... for now
spring briar
junior trench
Tsars gave Ukraine the most land. Then Lenin as second
Did you actually just say that last part with a straight face
junior trench
And Stalin is the reason Poland got eye on Lviv
.
ivory ridge
It's kremlin, he might unironically believe the rumour created by the Russians that Poland wants to invade western Ukraine
dark spade
So question why should I not consider BB31 USS Utah as a battleship?
spiral cedar
When? At the time of Pearl Harbor or when completed?
She was a battleship when completed but not after being demilitarized
dark spade
So should we say the USS United States was not an aircraft carrier when she sank or say that IX300 USS Prinz Eugen is not a heavy cruiser?
desert agate
so
USS Utah had been stripped of all her guns and armour at the time of Pearl Harbour and was by extension, not shipping to any battles any time soon, thus not a battleship
USS United States was never even built beyond laying down her keel
and USS Prinz Eugen was a heavy cruiser
desert agate
her main guns were still fitted iirc
maiden citrus
yeah Utah had had all of her weapons (except anti air guns for training) and her belt armor removed
desert agate
they removed one of the turrets for testing
but the rest of the armament remained intact
as did her armour
dark spade
USS United States was never even built beyond laying down her keel
This bothers me, perhaps I am thinking of the wrong ship, USS United States Of America?
maiden citrus
so when Utah sank she had no weapons (sans aa guns), no side protection, no aircraft equipment and no torpedo protection, she was a practice and training ship
desert agate
i am not aware of any aircraft carrier named that
spiral cedar
Utah had been demilitarized, rebuilt, and formally redesignated a decade prior to her sinking
dark spade
So having been stripped of guns and armor no longer makes you considered a battleship dispite having the hull and full capacity to re stock said items... also how does 1 remove the side of the hull and not sink it?
maiden citrus
belt armor is added onto structural steel, as are torpedo blisters, as utah's tds was not internal
and any ship can carry cargo, you could put ammo on her but she couldn't fire it at anyone, or withstand anything but practice shells
desert agate
if a ship isnt being used as a battleship and isnt capable of being used as a battleship without significant work, is it really a battleship?
dark spade
i am not aware of any aircraft carrier named that
CV-58
maiden citrus
so she essentially had little offensive or defensive capability, hence the term demilitarized
dark spade
was not built beyond keel laying
She was scuttled after a week of target practice
desert agate
laid down 18 April 1949
Cancelled 23 April 1949
maiden citrus
not much of her to be scuttled
dark spade
Strange I could swear she was scuttled in like 2005 or something
desert agate
ooh USS America
dark spade
With modern colorized cameras to watch
desert agate
CV-66
maiden citrus
yeah you're thinking of cv 66
desert agate
With modern colorized cameras to watch
and all the photos are classified bar 1
spiral cedar
desert agate
So classified you can find them on the internet
theres only 1 declassified photo of the ship sinking that im aware of
maiden citrus
yeah the sinking by the bow pic
she's also like 20,000 feet down or something so going and spying on her is lol
desert agate
yeah so USS America was for all intents and purposes not really carrying any aircraft any time soon
shed been stripped of all her equipment, crew accommodations, etc
desert agate
aircraft carriers are deceptively simple designs, a plane only needs a runway to land on, but it also needs vast amounts to equipment to support it as well hence why shes really in a similar condition to USS Utah at the time of her sinking
spiral cedar
For example, USS Langley CV-1
Rebuilt and redesignated as a seaplane tender
When sunk
Ships can be rebuilt and reclassified
And they are then the new thing
It’s not that complicated
desert agate
indeed, many members of the Essex class were rebuilt to be helicopter ASW and landing support ships
spiral cedar
Hiyō class, former liners, rebuilt and redesignated as aircraft carriers
desert agate
many LHDs in the modern day can quickly and cost effectively have their configurations changed to support fixed wing operations, making them aircraft carriers while they carry those fixed wing aircraft
spiral cedar
USS Long Island, likewise former civilian ship
And after the war, rebuilt as a floating hotel
maiden citrus
dark spade
I consider there to be 2 truly unrecoverable battleships at pearl then and I consider being refloated as recovered
dark spade
Also not a carrier
spiral cedar
dark spade
By your standards
spiral cedar
What
desert agate
maiden citrus
they only attempted to recover utah once and when it didn't work they just didn't, as she had no real value due to having been stripped already, luckily oklahoma was recovered pretty by the book
dark spade
Lazy island was a cargo ship after the war and I guess you looked it up more recently than me or remembered it better but she was definitely not a carrier when she was crapped/scuttled (I forgot which)
maiden citrus
I mean she was certainly a carrier during the war
spiral cedar
Yes, when she ended her life, she was not a carrier
But during the war she helped deliver some of the first aircraft for Henderson Field
At the time, she was a carrier
dark spade
Oh this is another example which should really hit home... well 2 examples just got to remember her name for the US ship
Mikasa of the IJN is not a battleship
desert agate
im really not sure what point it is you're trying to make here
maiden citrus
Mikasa of the IJN is not a battleship
I have used this argument in certain azur lane contexts yeah
dark spade
She is a building and used to be a restaurant
spiral cedar
She’s a museum ship now
She was a battleship in the past
maiden citrus
since people would say 'every ship is within ww2 timeframe' and then I'd say 'well mikasa was formally opened as a building by 1926'
luckily that entire argument has sailed
desert agate
HMAS Sydney
Colossus class aircraft carrier of the RAN
used as an aircraft carrier, launched combat operations in Korea
in the 60s, was refit to act as a troop transport carrying many Australian troops to the Malaya confrontation and the Vietnam war
wasnt an aircraft carrier after that refit, she was a troop transport
dark spade
C6 USS Olympia is not a US "cruiser" whe is a US Light cruiser from WW1 and should not be considered a "cruiser" of the 1890s
desert agate
she was returned to her 1890s configuration when they turned her into a museum was she not?
and no in the 1910s she was certainly not the same ship she was in the 1890s, thanks to her refits in the intervening 20 years
maiden citrus
On 11 September 1957, she was released to the Cruiser Olympia Association, restored to her 1898 configuration and became a museum ship under their auspices. yes
dark spade
she was returned to her 1890s configuration when they turned her into a museum w...
About as well as Mikasa returned to being a battleship
desert agate
mikasa is a museum
maiden citrus
mikasa is encased entirely in concrete and cannot float
desert agate
yeah
desert agate
which removes the "ship" part of being a battleship
spiral cedar
Battlebuilding
dark spade
And Arizona is a metal grave marker not a battleship if we go by modern calling then
maiden citrus
well she's sunk
gilded girder
I think the classification you're looking for is a "war grave"
desert agate
And Arizona is a metal grave marker not a battleship if we go by modern calling ...
shes a memorial and war grave, no?
im really confused by what it is youre trying to say here
maiden citrus
she was a mostly combat ready bb up until the end, she didn't get changed to not a battleship but got the status of 'sunk' appended
dark spade
What’s your point
At this point none but I will consider BB31 as her hull number designates her.
gilded girder
K
spiral cedar
At this point none but I will consider BB31 as her hull number designates her.
AG-16
That’s her hull number at the time of loss
desert agate
pretty sure that as a technicality the designations only apply to ships in commission
dark spade
On their channel they said the turrets are not real
dark spade
That’s her hull number at the time of loss
I give up
maiden citrus
the 8'' guns are not real yeah
dark spade
At least it's more productive than arguing over AL lore with people who didnt even read the story lol
desert agate
yeah 1890 model 8in guns probably arent the easiest to come across
maiden citrus
most museums have to take what they get yea
desert agate
i found one in Brisbane a while back but it wasnt American
maiden citrus
it had been 70 years since her guns were made
it'd be like trying to replace iowa turret b
dark spade
the 8'' guns are not real yeah
No I mean the turrets them selves there is nothing under them they patched it all up to house singe barrel turrets in their place so its solid floor where openness, ladders, and loading elevators would be
maiden citrus
did they ever get that gun operational again?
iirc it's just sealed off
desert agate
real shame about all that situation
especially the "investigation" where they blamed it all on a gay guy
just to avoid blaming shitty officers and safety practices
dark spade
So I take it USS Wyoming is not a battleship either by WW2?
maiden citrus
No I mean the turrets them selves there is nothing under them they patched it al...
yeah, the 8'' are fake, understandable though as when they decided to preserve her in 'original configuration' she had had her 8'' guns removed like 40 years ago
maiden citrus
So I take it USS Wyoming is not a battleship either by WW2?
right, though she did retain a few of her main guns if I recall for training, but similar to utah where she had her side armor, torpedo protection, etc removed and was a training ship with funky aa gun setups
desert agate
anyway to change the subject are there any examples of large surface warships having triple expansion engines replaced with turbines?
maiden citrus
hm...
desert agate
yes i play RTW2 how can you tell?
maiden citrus
that's a good question actually
desert agate
i suppose ill include destroyers in the question too
maiden citrus
I uh, actually can't think of any
they wanted to convert oklahoma but it didn't happen
cinder escarp
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586216580463984650/989270313634242672/Scr...
I scroll up to see what I missed, and why must you do this to me?
manic latch
It's kremlin, he might unironically believe the rumour created by the Russians t...
?
I am talking about 1940s not damn modern politics
In Yalta, despite Polish objections, the Allied leaders, Joseph Stalin, Franklin D. Roosevelt and Winston Churchill decided that Lwów should remain within the borders of the Soviet Union.
You really should reduce the daily media intake Undef
humble mulch
I think the point is more so that you quite literally come off as literal Soviet/Russian propaganda machine #420/69, especially with the context of the Soviet Union throwing their weight around to take land, keep said land, and make whoever lives in the land communist
maiden citrus
its his soyuz withdrawal symptoms
manic latch
I think the point is more so that you quite literally come off as literal Soviet...
Of course. Soyuz wouldn't love me otherwise
humble mulch
And this too
manic latch
That's why I need her asap. Her personification will make my job easier
desert agate
What a based man I sure hope he doesn't [redacted]
chilly osprey
Seriously though I'm sure you can see why trying to throw out factoids that are intended to undermine Ukraine's sovereignty at the same time as certain current events are occuring is just a bit trying of people's patience?
maiden citrus
evil empire moment
manic latch
Seriously though I'm sure you can see why trying to throw out factoids that are ...
makes sense. Tho I wouldn't call it undermining it
Since nature gave us the soil
If UK was more lucky. They would get more soil by chance
Tho it takes millions of years I guess
maiden citrus
manic latch
<:bigbrain:756129898036461588>
Hell imagine how much history would change if UK never split as Island
desert agate
Phoenix no you'll get bonked oh god oh fuck
chilly osprey
You're being as subtle as a brick through a window when you're doing this
maiden citrus
meanwhile kl won't
manic latch
Yeah Phoneix you should delete that. I understand
weary timber
humble mulch
Acting like I won’t shoot Kremlin
maiden citrus
russia flag status here
humble mulch
dark spade
<:sadCat:904667127921926185> <:GUN:640912935199178755>
The mod has the report gun everyone run for the hills
strong plank
why’s the Dutch flag look so weird up there
strong plank
it looks upside down or something
weary timber
My name is upside down too
humble mulch
First ww1
Then sirens
manic latch
<:FlagGrandUnion:621097806245134386>
Wait a minute. Australia is independent from British
Why they still got the cross
desert agate
Don't want to talk about it
I'll never forgive John Howard
99 was over 20 years ago aight
manic latch
desert agate
we were so close to freedom
maiden citrus
Fucking Serbs
chilly osprey
Wtf
maiden citrus
google translate makes siren serbian
strong plank
The true enemy
shrewd pecan
👁️ man it really was a good thing I worked out and didn't jump in here during the commie apologism and whatever the fuck kremlin was pushing earlier
shrewd pecan
Azur Lane lore is actually all about the Kosovo war and the resulting NATO intervention but instead of by plane it was by ship
spiral cedar
No
chilly osprey
Amazing
maiden citrus
the enterprise ny one is my favorite I think
desert agate
Apparently she was intended to test the power plant for a carrier that was never built
maiden citrus
spiral cedar
Name?
shrewd pecan
Saw this cool Falklands relic the other day
Type 82?
sullen canyon
Now, who was Samuel again?
strong plank
https://discord.com/channels/456397991847395339/534621810306580500/6306291869057...
the swordfish killed me
manic latch
Never ask Google what made translate relate Bismarck to King Kong
shrewd pecan
I never get the entire criticism of google translate with its accuracy, especially when you know people translate the same thing into several languages and expect it to come out the same once it comes back to english
shrewd pecan
its entertaining but like, no translation is going to be perfect, that's what localization is for
shrewd pecan
manic latch
close enough
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_91_surface-to-air_missile
Speaking of
Did Japan really copy US weapons much?
shrewd pecan
that's not a copy
manic latch
Since I find some good resemblances there and there
Yeah it's not but still. It does remind you a stinger
shrewd pecan
that's just convergent design
manic latch
sullen canyon
Is it bad that I thought Manpads was something else entirely now?
shrewd pecan
manass
maiden citrus
shrewd pecan
god the moment we get a Serbaboo in here, this channel is gonna be a mess
sullen canyon
shrewd pecan
👁️ I doubt it
sullen canyon
Besides we even said it was Google Translate being Chaotic Dumb
shrewd pecan
Greek nationalists are already a nightmare, Serb nationalist is another level of nightmare
honestly any Balkan nationalist is a nightmare
manic latch
gloriously shitposty
Yup
spiral cedar
Yummy
tough quail
Greek nationalists are already a nightmare, Serb nationalist is another level of...
by "serbaboo" i assume like
a dude that isn't actually serbian
shrewd pecan
idk usually they're like
shrewd pecan
people of Serbian descent who never actually lived in Serbia
tough quail
i wouldnt call unde a pastaboo or kremlin a slavaboo
manic latch
I am a Soyuzaboo
spiral cedar
What would you call yourself, horse
manic latch
Kremlin isnt even russian, is he
You will never know 
ivory ridge
shrewd pecan
Balkan nationalists arguing from their Berlin apartments
tough quail
i kinda figured he was but maybe im wrong
tough quail
What would you call yourself, horse
probably a ouiaboo first and foremost
manic latch
i kinda figured he was but maybe im wrong
Just call me Alien or smh
tough quail
partially because wanking soviet shit right now is an immense ballache i dont want to be involved in
rofl
manic latch
partially because wanking soviet shit right now is an immense ballache i dont wa...
You know this is the first time I saw someone use ballache
Where did you learn that
spiral cedar
Ballache is stored in the balls
shrewd pecan
Ballaches are stored in the brain and I got a headache
tough quail
i honestly dont know where i heard it
but ive been using it for years
one of my absolute favorite things about my relationship with vaexa has been like
corrupting her language with absolute bullshit over the years
ivory ridge
tough quail
and vice versa with weird european nonsense
tough quail
alright the genocide thing could be worded a bit snappier but thats a good one
and the fact it's that janky makes me 10000% certain the CIA made this
shrewd pecan
eh, considering the shit i've seen
its probably made in response to some argument with a Serbaboo
tough quail
the quality is too high otherwise to be that stilted honestly
shrewd pecan
its literally just a photoshopped nighthawk
manic latch
and the fact it's that janky makes me 10000% certain the CIA made this
It's called Natowave. There is wave for everything
Fashwave is more famous
maiden citrus
just be a hotdogboo
ivory ridge
The CIA runs this subreddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/NATOWave
shrewd pecan
ok that's pretty sick
spiral cedar
It's called Natowave. There is wave for everything
Is there a wave wave
ivory ridge
shrewd pecan
(I might be a F-15E simp)
maiden citrus
Is there a wave wave
ocean man
spiral cedar
Is there a wave wave
Apparently there is
tough quail
see like
its very competently made on a technical level
but the actual humor is kind of stilted and forced
that's what makes me think its actually legit
maiden citrus
it's only forced in a vacuum
ivory ridge
shrewd pecan
maiden citrus
a lot of these look hilarious to drop on people
ivory ridge
Yes i love NATO propaganda how could you tell
spiral cedar
They are
shrewd pecan
the vaporwave aircraft are sick
strong plank
Apparently there is
reject sea of stars, embrace wave of waves
tough quail
it's only forced in a vacuum
i dont mean that it's outright bad, just a wee bit stilted
it's not as snappy as i'd expect a regular shitpost
tough quail
How about Fisherwave
isn't that just fisher in real life honestly
spiral cedar
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovietwave
Nostalgia for the lost dream
shrewd pecan
manic latch
Nostalgia for the lost dream
Yeah that's the most beautiful thing about it.
It's true nostalgia
maiden citrus
isn't nostalgia about good memories
shrewd pecan
ivory ridge
its probably made in response to some argument with a Serbaboo
Likely based on arguments with them, twitter was full of them in the early days of the [redacted] trying to call out western hypocrisy
Aka whataboutism
maiden citrus
yeah that's why I said a lot of these look hilarious to drop on people
shrewd pecan
blah blabh bombing Belgrade yeah yeah
glossing over the fact the Serbs were committing literal genocide and ethnic cleansing
manic latch
glossing over the fact the Serbs were committing literal genocide and ethnic cle...
If they just invaded. Nato wouldn't do it?
strong plank
iirc the NATO response was mostly due to the ethnic cleansing
but I haven't read up on that conflict too much
manic latch
iirc the NATO response was mostly due to the ethnic cleansing
Like I am wondering why NATO didn't do much during Cyprus invasion of Turkey. Is it because it wasn't a genocide level or is it because Turkey was Nato member
shrewd pecan
Greeks and Turks were shooting at each other
idk rest of NATO placed pretty heavy sanctions on Turkey for it
tough quail
i mean let's just be honest
shrewd pecan
Turkey is too important to really piss off too much in the first place
tough quail
the literal singular reason turkey is in NATO and potentially just the reason turkey exists in it's current form of government is that the dardanelles exist
if NATO wasn't a thing the ussr/russia would've beaten the absolute shit out of them
if the dardanelles didnt exist
NATO would've beaten the absolute shit out of them
ivory ridge
Kek
shrewd pecan
idk I will give the Turks one thing
they know how to use their position to get what they want
tough quail
they literally geopolitically exist to cockblock russia out of the Mediterranean
take that away and all of their neighbors want them dead
manic latch
Italians used to have those islands didn't they
ivory ridge
Some of them
manic latch
Now Greeks and Turks bark over it
tough quail
the one saving grace of turkey still being a thing in its current state
is giving greece their F35s is still biblically funny
shrewd pecan
honestly
neither side should really have F-35s
considering the most likely thing is gonna happen is them shooting each other with it
since we already had F-16 vs F-16/F-16 vs mirage 2000 dogfights between the Greeks and Turks
strong plank
no wait, that's genius
bc when one side shoots down an enemy F35
what are they gonna do, recover and reverse engineer it?
manic latch
what are they gonna do, recover and reverse engineer it?
Or sell it to China for good money
shrewd pecan
👁️ yeah good luck at that
ivory ridge
You dont need a shot down f35 for that
Just ask israel
They've been selling NATO military secrets for decades
manic latch
Why tho
maiden citrus
almost sounds like we should stop selling to them
shrewd pecan
🇮🇱
strong plank
trade offer:
you get: trophy aps
I get: don't worry about it
manic latch
almost sounds like we should stop selling to them
tfw Sep v3 doesn't get APS anymore
ivory ridge
manic latch
V3 will always have APS no?
shrewd pecan
they're buying trophy systems for it
but its not always gonna have it fitted, especially during peace time
manic latch
Huh
shrewd pecan
kremlin you watched the argument where we brought up combat weights
dark spade
HAHA I think I found the wording for my point
manic latch
dark spade
BB-31 USS Utah's fate was?
shrewd pecan
and horse posted the max loaded M1A2V3 with its maximum armor protection
spiral cedar
BB-31 USS Utah's fate was?
To be converted into a target ship
shrewd pecan
if those things are actually gonna see combat they're being fitted with the APS
now, the maximum armor package, I don't see all crews fitting that since yeah shoving 10 tons of armor on a tank is gonna impact mobility
dark spade
IJN Nagato's fate was?
shrewd pecan
being hit with a sun
manic latch
Nuke
dark spade
HAHA wrong that is USS Nagato
shrewd pecan
cinder escarp
LazerPig is great at producing brain smoothing content
dark spade
completely same ship new nation so gets new fate
spiral cedar
HAHA wrong that is USS Nagato
There was no USS Nagato
ivory ridge
HAHA wrong that is USS Nagato
She was never recommissioned, unlike Prinz, so IJN is still correct
Or well, it would if IJN was a real term in the first place
It kinda isnt
spiral cedar
HIJMS 
tough quail
seems hilarious
yeah i dont mean it's not funny
dark spade
ye more like japanese ships where just their names
tough quail
more that its just made by someone not quite used to the style of humor
maiden citrus
it could be argued german engines were kms
dark spade
the engines but not the ships
strong plank
I'm pretty sure at least Eugen was redesignated so Nagato probably was too
spiral cedar
KMS Bismarck because she scuttled herself
spiral cedar
I'm pretty sure at least Eugen was redesignated so Nagato probably was too
Just Zeugen
ivory ridge
God i can't sleep and i have to wake up in 4 hours
spiral cedar
Not the other ships
strong plank
ah
dark spade
so USS Utah ends its career as an ammo target ship and nothing ever happened got it >.0
spiral cedar
No
It ended its battleship career in 1931
It's still Utah, just Utah is now a target ship
strong plank
I got home from where my internship and just blacked out for a solid hour
manic latch
God i can't sleep and i have to wake up in 4 hours
strong plank
woke up during that soviet wank yall were having
strong plank
lmao it's all good
shrewd pecan
I need to scroll up
for that convo
since that dude seemed like he was going down the "it wasn't real communism" route or some shit
dark spade
and USS Wyommings fate is becoming a training ship and nothing ever happened (wink)
manic latch
since that dude seemed like he was going down the "it wasn't real communism" rou...
Communism is flawed. Should have been Soyuzism
spiral cedar
It ended its *battleship* career in 1931
Bro
shrewd pecan
Communism is flawed. Should have been Soyuzism
👁️ one of these days I'm going to skin you
tough quail
wyoming became a living shitpost
manic latch
👁️ one of these days I'm going to skin you
Could use my skin for carpets of Soyuz. Or curtains. God it would be hot
spiral cedar
I can't believe I have to prove object permanence
tough quail
kremlin grows larger and more powerful the more bait is taken
maiden citrus
that's what we'll call that, yeah
strong plank
how on gods green earth have I never seen pics of wyoming
shrewd pecan
idk just don't argue with him
tough quail
lmfao
shrewd pecan
cruiser battleship Wyoming
maiden citrus
how on gods green earth have I never seen pics of wyoming
you have not been enlightened?
strong plank
fuckers took my 12 inch guns
can't have shit in detroit
spiral cedar
Better AA than Bismarck 
dark spade
I mean before you said its new hull designation I was going to toss a curved ball at you regarding river crafts for having high armor and big guns that could move across the ocean in calm waters
manic latch
idk just don't argue with him
Our human nature prevents that. We have romantic ideas about war/struggle. Why do you think fat bearded mans having debates about nature of life was accepted as the pinnacle of ancient Greece?
shrewd pecan
Our human nature prevents that. We have romantic ideas about war/struggle. Why d...
I'm not talking about you
maiden citrus
world of warships community: gearing sits too high in the water
the gearing:
shrewd pecan
"In the summer of 1946, then-Ensign Jimmy Carter, the future President of the United States, came aboard as part of the final crew of the old battleship"
interesting
strong plank
cursed secondary build
spiral cedar
I mean before you said its new hull designation I was going to toss a curved bal...
I'm not sure how else I'm supposed to phrase the concept that at different points in time, something can still be the same ship, while being a different type of ship
maiden citrus
those are called monitors
manic latch
What about the proposed Iowa class refit
strong plank
which one
manic latch
Was it 12 203mm?
That turns her large cruiser or battlecruiser?
Ah it was 16 203mm
maiden citrus
based
manic latch
DM guns but quad