history

[terse tinsel]

Ha

Good point

[alpine onyx]

exercising on deck is far more convenient than below

lots of space and your crew spaces won't smell like sweat afterwards

[terse tinsel]

True

[alpine onyx]

just like you have pics of boxing matches on the deck of US BBs

[terse tinsel]

You’re boxing and the guy kicks you so hard you fly off the side of the ship

[spring briar]

Azuma after slapping the fuck out of a Russian shell

[terse tinsel]

Punch him so hard he explodes!

[twilit plume]

not only sumo

[eternal veldt]

Funnily enough, I think I have a pic of Aoba's crew exercising. Will check once I get home.

Ooooor, I can just backlog my own stuff.

[eternal veldt]

Also, coffee mugs are best anti-boarder weapons. Change my mind.

[delicate beacon]

idk, the Dutch won a war by shooting a liquid consumption container.

[manic latch]

It's Nagato or Mutsu

Since that superstructure is unique

Except if Japan somehow secretly build Amagi

[eternal veldt]

It's Nagato.

Two tier navigational bridge, exclusive only to her.

[manic latch]

[eternal veldt]

The direct lamb sauce, if anyone wants it.

[manic latch]

@tough quail Kalinin

[jovial elm]

What was the naval battle of ww2 where 2 German heavy cruisers had to retreat from 2 British light cruisers

[dapper parcel]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Barents_Sea?

[jovial elm]

Danke

Question: who here plays "rule the waves 2"

[maiden citrus]

fun game, can't wait for rtw3 later this year

[jovial elm]

What!?!

[dapper parcel]

RTW3, still on Delphi/Pascal using NWS dll

[jovial elm]

I didn't know there was a 3

[maiden citrus]

coming out fall iirc

[jovial elm]

Ultimate admiral has some.promise but is too early to judge right now

[jovial elm]

It is, however, a very pretty game.

Flash fires look amazing

[maiden citrus]

they're stuck with uad through time, so I have no doubt it will keep improving

[jovial elm]

Agreed

[maiden citrus]

games like that that devs don't care about, like dreadnought, would be long dead by now

(dreadnought is a dead game)

[jovial elm]

Don't know dreadnaught

[eternal veldt]

Dreadnought, could have been so much more

[jovial elm]

Any good?

[eternal veldt]

ugh

[dapper parcel]

I wish UAD has more flexibility with the hulls. Nothing more infuriating than rear turret getting blocked by boat launch...

[maiden citrus]

it's space ships but same kind of ship fighting concept with slower, smarter combat

[eternal veldt]

Oh, that one.

not UAD.

[maiden citrus]

but the devs just didn't care enough in the end

[jovial elm]

They fixed a lot of this

[eternal veldt]

Code seems quite glitchy and unoptimized in the first place

[jovial elm]

Around ships are a thing

[eternal veldt]

I still can't place barbettes where I please

[jovial elm]

Fairs

It really needs diplomacy

[dapper parcel]

barbette for wing secondaries are almost always impossible unless you purposefully use worse towers

[eternal veldt]

I will only rest when I can go as braindead as this

Still has the game installed, but don't feel like paying

[maiden citrus]

I haven't launched it in a while but they added a chonkiness slider

[jovial elm]

🤢

[maiden citrus]

so I should try it

[jovial elm]

Ditti

[desert agate]

RTW3 was originally an expansion pack for RTW2 but they decided to make it a game

Release window is October

[jovial elm]

Thought so

[delicate beacon]

Don't think I will ever try it in quite a while. It seems way to limiting in designing.

[jovial elm]

I hope it gets a slightly more complex diplocacy system

[desert agate]

Huge increase in the timelines and aesthetic changes

[maiden citrus]

hopefully it lets me build my ships better

[jovial elm]

Such as?

[maiden citrus]

rtw2 started telling me hull types unknown when I got past mid game since I am so armor heavy

or just preventing it

[jovial elm]

Ah yeah

[dapper parcel]

mfw just retrofitting old ships until it literally vanishes from selection list

[desert agate]

The game is gonna be called ironclads to missile cruisers so

[maiden citrus]

repeat class time cuz my skullfucker CA with 12x8'' and 10'' belt can't be upgraded

[jovial elm]

I got that early game because it was telling me "you can't build a battle cruiser yet" because I wanted a predread with 25 knots

[desert agate]

That gives an idea of the timeline

[delicate beacon]

Hot

[eternal veldt]

scared me there for a sec

100" belt CA

[maiden citrus]

lol

luckily typo

[eternal veldt]

I know you're all for armour, so I know you'd go for it if it's within the realm of possibility. 😛

[desert agate]

So yeah the aesthetics for the new game are fucking amazing

And I'm excited

[maiden citrus]

though yeah I was building super strong skullfucker CAs that had immune zones of like 6k-23k to enemy cas and tried to build an even better class and the game goes

idk what this ship even is, you can't build it

[eternal veldt]

I might give it a go

[delicate beacon]

Wait why is there no Dutch carrier

[maiden citrus]

it does tend to let me get immune zones down below 10k until late game, so at least it tries

[jovial elm]

My only issue is that predreads combat is crazy slow

[desert agate]

I wish someone would make an Australia mod for it

[jovial elm]

Esp if there are DDs nearby

[eternal veldt]

Australia is just British anyway /s

[desert agate]

Predreds are painful because low hit rates make me want to neck myself

[jovial elm]

Yep

[maiden citrus]

just run into them

pre dread immune zone is easy to make down to 2k

🧱

[jovial elm]

Issue is kinda toros...

Torps

[dapper parcel]

feels like every combats devolve into running in circles trying to sink that one ship who tried to get into harbor

[eternal veldt]

Just curious, how fast can one make an RTW ship go?

[desert agate]

And then your stokers kill themselves the second you get your first dred

[maiden citrus]

uh, fast

[desert agate]

As fast as you want theoretically

[eternal veldt]

60 knots Schleswig Holstein

let's go boys

[maiden citrus]

(even if my fastest ship in my playthrough only hit 29, I've seen bs jaba makes)

[desert agate]

I've built some 35+kn FBBs

[dapper parcel]

there's LUT for speed

[eternal veldt]

Don't care, cram a 700000 hp powerplant down there with 8 shafts /s

[jovial elm]

France is probs the best country to play in UAD

[static delta]

Bonjour

[desert agate]

I usually prioritise speed and armour over fire-power

[jovial elm]

Ew

[desert agate]

My fav RTW2 country is Japan

[jovial elm]

I usually priorities speed and firepower

Deck armour and decent belt

But not a strong belt

[delicate beacon]

Japan sounds more speed and firepower than speed and armour

[static delta]

I would go for armour and speed but I'm British

[jovial elm]

Ditto

[static delta]

British weren't armoured

[jovial elm]

Jackie fisher was right, speed will be my armour

[delicate beacon]

So you go for none of the 3.

[dapper parcel]

default is only up to 39 kn

[static delta]

Exactly

[eternal veldt]

Do you also remove flash doors for higher rate of fire?

[jovial elm]

Absolutely

[eternal veldt]

jord sus

[jovial elm]

Tbf there were flash doors

[eternal veldt]

Beatty in disguise

detain the man

[jovial elm]

The crew just didn't use then

[static delta]

What are we talking about?

[jovial elm]

Jutland

[static delta]

What's that

[delicate beacon]

Beatty cant communicate

[delicate beacon]

Some Peninsula in Europe

[jovial elm]

You see tho, at least 1 British BC had blowout pannels

Just like the Abrams

[desert agate]

Fire-power is nice but you don't really need 16in guns if you're just gonna ram the enemy

Never build above 17in guns

I'll happily delete a turret for some extra deck armour to maintain 29kn

I can easily close to combat ranges if I'm fast enough

And my gunners are always better and I can take hits better

[jovial elm]

Tbf, if you are going to ram the enemy...
Just have 16*14"

My french playthrough meme ship

[desert agate]

Use my BBs to get close enough to let my DDs rush in for torpedo strikes

The BB just needs to survive

The DD lands the kill

[jovial elm]

Bah

[desert agate]

Slow the BBs down a little

[jovial elm]

Rain of steal doctrine

[eternal veldt]

Yamamoto should hire you, spon

[jovial elm]

Decisive strike is for pussies

[desert agate]

The virgin battleship builder vs the gigachad destroyer spammer

[eternal veldt]

Honestly, just go the French Contre torpilleur route

[delicate beacon]

Reject DDs.
Embrace SSs

[eternal veldt]

extremely high speed, torpedoes on both sides

[desert agate]

Submarines are yes

[eternal veldt]

just in case a pesky enemy appears on the flank and you need to torpedo it

[desert agate]

I've done that too

But cruiser build times and costs are higher than destroyers

So fuck that

[eternal veldt]

Yea, really tempted to play now

[delicate beacon]

Shouldnt cruisers be more expensive per ton?

[eternal veldt]

mmmm yass, get off work of looking at excel sheets to look at more excel sheets

peak relaxation

[desert agate]

I love the spread sheets

I usually build a shitton of CLs and my CA branch is often very neglected

[eternal veldt]

British moment

[desert agate]

Like I'll keep them in service as long as possible to avoid building more

[delicate beacon]

Dutch moment

[desert agate]

1905 triple expansion coal fired CA?
perfect candidate for oil fired turbined to keep in service another 10 years until I can be bothered building more CAs

[eternal veldt]

30 years or bust

[desert agate]

Normally 20 plus an additional 5 as a second line unit (gotta protect my convoys)

Although once I get a solid 2x10in ABXY in the mid 20s I'm keeping it until the 50s or so help me god

Re engine in the 30s and then just upgrade FCS and AA from then on

[spring briar]

[maiden citrus]

I never scrap/retire any ships in my playthroughs

[desert agate]

Your upkeep costs must be insane

I gotta keep the budget good

[maiden citrus]

I don't have the heart to

I do a lot of rebuilds in rtw

[spring briar]

[maiden citrus]

as you could imagine

[desert agate]

I scrap my shitboxes early because fuck them

[maiden citrus]

I still had my first acr in the 40s

repurposed as a mega aa mobile

[desert agate]

"I lost 3 of your sisters in the most bullshit battle I have ever fought the moment this war ends you're seeing the torch"

[maiden citrus]

I tend to almost never lose ships either due to the armor mindset

I think I lost like 5 ships in a playthrough

[desert agate]

I don't lose ships all that often but it happens

[maiden citrus]

sometimes your b just rolls

'got torpedoed by sub when retreating from battle'

[desert agate]

Night battles where my battleships spawn right next to a squadron of enemy destroyers are infuriating

[maiden citrus]

me when I destroy cvs and bcs with some acrs and a b in the 30s and then

after battle sub event hits the b

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-sunakook-tired-exhausted-gif-24687868

you didn't deserve this

my rtw playthroughs are wild

'oh their new cas can hurt my cls now'

🧱

cls can only have 5' belt

bs

[spring briar]

[eternal veldt]

@desert agate http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/ships/hmas/Corvette/350010_Castlemaine-bc/BlackCat_350010_Castlemaine.html if you still want to take a look at the Bathurst if you ever have the money for it one day.

[desert agate]

Once I'm back from Europe it'll be on top of my list

[eternal veldt]

Maybe you want to buy it while you're there? They're based in France afterall /s

[ivory ridge]

[desert agate]

Bruh I legit just left france

[manic latch]

Somers vs Mogador

Who would win

[delicate beacon]

Where you going next

[spring briar]

@eternal veldt I should mention that the Japanese were believed to not have used their Shimosa filled AP at Tsushima, but only their larger black power base fuse HE shells. So replace every time I said Shimosa yesterday with blackpowder

Shimosa AP tended to explode in the breech you see

[eternal veldt]

A grand total of zero, fortunately.

[chilly osprey]

This seems less than desirable

[spring briar]

so, while the Russians seem to have generally used the logical choice of shell

the japanese gods decided to buff the japanese HE shells

39 kg of blackpowder

[jovial elm]

Shinosa is lydite yeah?

[spring briar]

Picric acid

[jovial elm]

Yeah, lydite

[spring briar]

that's the british name

and contains not just picric acid

[manic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/he-cant-keep-getting-away-with-it-gif-19335672

[shut wren]

No wonder when i get hit by a japanese BB in war thunder my entire ship explodes

[desert agate]

Skill issue

[shut wren]

i think its because i use a G-5

but i have mig 17,pe-8,tu-2 and 4 soon,all 3 kvs,and t-34s.

[desert agate]

How are you playing with BBs in a G-5?

[shut wren]

obtain high lv soviet ship,use G-5

high rank/

bruh

[desert agate]

Sorry, why are you using a G-5 in battleship brs?

[shut wren]

Speed,torps.

[desert agate]

And are you just sailing in a straight line cos like aiming main guns isn't easy against small targets

[shut wren]

ziz zags.

[desert agate]

Is it the secbats hitting you?

[shut wren]

some times,most of the times its just other aircraft.

[desert agate]

[shut wren]

but i like my Mig-17as

[manic latch]

G5 is one of fastest ships in game

While being very small

She is useful for taking caps fast

[spring briar]

So, I just discovered that RN 305 mm 2 crh APC shells whistled

[chilly osprey]

Any particular tune? Heart of Oak, perhaps?

[spring briar]

no, more like "fwi fwi fwi fwi"

but really fast

and then hopefully fwoomp
kaboom

[shut wren]

see

that why i use it

[spring briar]

S.S?

[manic latch]

[spiral cedar]

35 knots unmodded, but there’s a mod that bumps it up to 40

[manic latch]

SS stands for Sovetsky Soyuz

[spiral cedar]

Tho I believe DDs have a higher cap

https://nws-online.proboards.com/thread/3123/higher-realistic-speeds-ships-release
https://nws-online.proboards.com/thread/3349/release-tonnage-speed-based-quadratic

[spring briar]

Smol 305mm 2 crh APC

[spiral cedar]

Something tells me that’s not 305mm

[spring briar]

it's 15 mm

[delicate beacon]

I thought speed increased cubically per shp

[spring briar]

more logarithmically

[spiral cedar]

SHP roughly increases by the cube of the top speed in the regime we’re interested in

[spring briar]

[shut wren]

S.S divisions.

[spring briar]

but why

[shut wren]

why not

[manic latch]

As you can see my influence is getting stronger. More and more people will join Sovetsky Soyuz Division

[spring briar]

[spiral cedar]

Social Security?

[shut wren]

yo wtf

[shut wren]

no,its meant to be WW2 Nazi S.S ones

[spiral cedar]

Then there should be no period

[delicate beacon]

[spiral cedar]

Should just be SS not S.S

[delicate beacon]

Wehrbs.

[shut wren]

fixed

[delicate beacon]

Screenshot Recon Boi

[spiral cedar]

I’m pretty sure the literal SS is not the Wehrmacht

[delicate beacon]

Right.

Even worse.

[shut wren]

SS is part of the Nazi party

[spiral cedar]

Eyup

[spring briar]

Yeah

Arguably their worst branch

[spiral cedar]

I wonder who’s gonna argue otherwise

[shut wren]

N O B O D Y

[spring briar]

Literally needed reinforcements against starving poles in the warshaw ghetto uprising

[delicate beacon]

[desert agate]

Soldier of the SS (good ending)

[shut wren]

TBF its late war,and the wermacht was on the verge of collapse

[spring briar]

Idc

[shut wren]

they all got shot i think

[spring briar]

Good

[desert agate]

That's the Dachau reprisals mate

Every shot deserved

[shut wren]

right

[desert agate]

Hence why its the good ending

[tender monolith]

oh boy oh boy

it's this again

[shut wren]

wha what did i do

[delicate beacon]

yes

[desert agate]

joins #history with nazi iconography on his profile
questions the hostile response

I won't lie mate

Not the brainiest of moves

[spring briar]

Also if you are just a 13 year old that has just gotten into history, there’s still hope

[shut wren]

Yea,i know what the Nazis did,i was bored one night and did this,my fault.

[spring briar]

Well please have the decency to change it

[shut wren]

doing so right now

[spring briar]

[desert agate]

Another banger

[shut wren]

fixed

imma find something better

[spiral cedar]

[alpine onyx]

[spring briar]

Another victory for anti wehraboo squad

[shut wren]

in the background,i shot down Me-262 too

[spring briar]

[alpine onyx]

Why be mad, join the sip

[shut wren]

[delicate beacon]

[spiral cedar]

[spring briar]

[shut wren]

Blown up panzer by big tonk

[spring briar]

[shut wren]

wait no wrong pic

[alpine onyx]

M2A2 =?= Panzer

[shrewd pecan]

🕵️🔎 so the fuck happened here

[shut wren]

my fault

[alpine onyx]

Well it actually is a Panzer, just speak German and all tanks are

[spiral cedar]

Yes

It’s armor

[shrewd pecan]

based

[alpine onyx]

Speak ze proper language and ve can make everyzing a Panzer

[shut wren]

this happened

[shrewd pecan]

o so the fucker unironically had SS in his name and is now deflecting okay I see

[delicate beacon]

Is this warthunder now

[spiral cedar]

Not if I can help it

[shut wren]

my fault

imma go to other games

[shrewd pecan]

no this is now the 1999 NATO intervention in Serbia
https://youtu.be/05kCksSFE8g

[unborn wyvern]

Bri'ish M113

Wanna see something cool?

[tender monolith]

what must i do to get access to this

[shut wren]

download and steal it

[desert agate]

SWS discord server

Link should be on the subreddit or I can invite you

[unborn wyvern]

A seat for a wheelchair in the back of a LAV-III. The Ontario regiment museum is working on making some of their vehicles accessible to those with mobility disabilities so even those with mobility disabilities can ride in a armored vehicle

[tender monolith]

don't even know what sws is. i'll take an invite if you're offering

[unborn wyvern]

it's called "Project uplift" and I think it's neat

[desert agate]

Shit wehraboos say

[tender monolith]

aha

that is perfect

[shrewd pecan]

crazy to think the LAV-III is starting to get phased out

[unborn wyvern]

right? it's like brand new in military terms

I was shocked when I saw one in the museum

[shrewd pecan]

thing enter service when? like late 90s

[manic latch]

Speaking of

Why is there already SEP V4

When SEP V3 just arrived

[shrewd pecan]

M1A2 III is meant to upgrade older SEPs

SEP V4 is for upgrading the rest

[shut wren]

they have too much money

[shrewd pecan]

SEP V4 also has a bunch of improvements the SEPV3 doesn't have

including a laser warning receiver and new thermal imager

from what I've seen the army wants the fleet to mostly be SEP IIIs and SEP IVs

so we're gonna be seeing bunch of the M1A2s being rebuilt to the new standards

[ivory ridge]

so weird that they waited this long for an LWR tho

[manic latch]

What. Abrams didn't had laser warning till now?

[ivory ridge]

yeah

[shrewd pecan]

only tanks I can think have a LWR is the Type-10 and Merkavas

[ivory ridge]

the Ariete does

kekw

[shrewd pecan]

does it?

[strong plank]

oh that’s for a museum

[ivory ridge]

even the centauro does

[shrewd pecan]

interesting

[strong plank]

for a second there I thought that was a modification for service

[shrewd pecan]

regarding the LAVs

idk considering the 50 MM equipped LAV-700 was recently tested by the Army

I'm kinda hoping the LAV-700 enters some form of service with the Army since the Stryker is kinda getting long in the tooth even for how new it is

[manic latch]

T90 and Chinese Type 99 also has it I think. Not sure about Leo2s and Leclers

[shrewd pecan]

T-90 doesn't have it

[ivory ridge]

the type 90 does

[shrewd pecan]

unless its like the T-90M which I've have to double check

[ivory ridge]

i think

[shrewd pecan]

type-90 doesn't

Type 99 probably

[ivory ridge]

[shrewd pecan]

type-10 has it

Type-90 has been left unupgraded since the 90s so

[ivory ridge]

https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/436072-type-90-laser-warning-system/

[shrewd pecan]

o damn

[manic latch]

Doesnt Shtora has laser warning function?

Or Wiki lied to me

[ivory ridge]

i mean in that case you only have

very very very limited arcs

[shrewd pecan]

to a extremely limited degree from what I've read

[ivory ridge]

for the LWR

[manic latch]

[shrewd pecan]

to where I wouldn't really count it

idk that combined with Shtora never really being effective

[manic latch]

Shtora is from 1980. Never made new version

[shrewd pecan]

passive dazzlers are just dumb honestly

[manic latch]

Soft kill boys?

But why PUMA use it then

[shrewd pecan]

your beaming a bunch of infrared light that gives away the vehicles position

to where no one is gonna actually keep the god forsaken thing on

[manic latch]

doesn't APS make loud af noise too

[shrewd pecan]

yeah but APS doesn't give a beam of light you can see with any NVG or thermal imager

that just's a spotlight saying "I AM HERE"

[shrewd pecan]

gonna give your position away to the TOW crew who's just gonna smack you after Shtora fails to actually dazzle it

[ivory ridge]

Italy please test the Iron Fist on the Freccia faster, i want to see an APS Equipped Centauro 2

[manic latch]

I heard plans for Abrams to use APS

But not confirmed still

[shrewd pecan]

SEP3 has Trophy

SEP4 is also gonna have trophy

[manic latch]

Is it officially or just some models. How many trophy did US purchased

[shrewd pecan]

soft kill systems there was that older system used on the M1A1s

[ivory ridge]

on the HC

[shrewd pecan]

but again that has the same issue that Shtora has where your just

broadcasting your location

no its not unique to the HC

it can be mounted on any M1A1

[manic latch]

This girl

[ivory ridge]

i just know the HC has it because WT

[shrewd pecan]

yeah

[manic latch]

China use this

I really like how China use ERA plates

There are no gaps

Ariete with ERA

[ivory ridge]

PSO is not ERA

[manic latch]

What is it tho

[shrewd pecan]

NERA and applique

believe it uses AMAP

[manic latch]

Ah nerfed ERA. Since Ariete is light

[shrewd pecan]

NERA Isn't necessarily worse

[manic latch]

[dapper parcel]

I'd bet IR seeker these days have some home on jam capability
Just like how active radar homing can easily become anti radiation homing

[manic latch]

Abrams TUSK variant

Did it use ERA or Nera

[shrewd pecan]

both

[manic latch]

[dapper parcel]

The "gap" is inside, the box is how you mask angled ERA plates to not look ugly and snagging everything

[manic latch]

Oh

Speaking of gaps

[spring briar]

fill the gaps with cream cheese

[manic latch]

Wonder if tanks will use Electric armor

Electric armour or electromagnetic armour is a newer reactive armour technology. This armour is made up of two or more conductive plates separated by an air gap or by an insulating material, creating a high-power capacitor.

[spring briar]

[manic latch]

I read somewhere that Uss Gerald Ford had Electric armor use in mind for future

[dapper parcel]

Let me introduce you to triboelectric effect

[spring briar]

I mean the theory of EM armor is sound

[ivory ridge]

source: secretprojects.co.uk

[spring briar]

but we'll just make APFSDS out of non conducting materials

[dapper parcel]

Capacitive armor is more like electrostatic than electromagnetic

[ivory ridge]

diamond apfsds penetrator

[spring briar]

just make it out of a ceramic and speed it up to like 5 km/s

[dapper parcel]

diamond is hard, but easily cleaved

[spring briar]

ez

[manic latch]

Ah it was Wiki

[spring briar]

how to defeat EM armor:
fore charge

[spring briar]

BLAP shell?

[desert agate]

ooh 9.2in gun

theres 2 of those near where i live

[spring briar]

yeah

that was like the first convo we had

remember?

[desert agate]

lol

now ive moved back to perth my plans to make a full documentary about Fortress Fremantle are back on

gonna go around to all the various forts and defences of the most heavily defended port in the Southern Hemisphere

[spring briar]

[spring briar]

top 10 least haunting pictures

The what

[ivory ridge]

https://twitter.com/CiroNappi6/status/1534099957715816448?s=20&t=NZc7ayqilzRNBKedJJd_-g

Ciro Nappi (@CiroNappi6)

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[spring briar]

a man

[chilly osprey]

[spring briar]

@manic latch

[spiral cedar]

Wut's dis

[spring briar]

British shell tests of HMS Majestic on HMS Belleisle https://topwar.ru/174418-cusima-snarjadnaja-versija-snarjady-i-opyty.html

[manic latch]

650mm?

[spring briar]

yes but it's not rifled

it fires AP bombs

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[spring briar]

[junior trench]

so it's the gun to Little David's mortar

[spring briar]

pretty much, only little david was rifled
and this is smooth bore and had drag stabilised "projectiles"

for whatever reason

this was apparently done in 1955

and not in the late 40's like little david
and certainly not for destroying japanese fortifications

[manic latch]

Ah 55?

Soviets were working on super gun prototypes

Until Khrushchev cancelled them all for missiles

Guess this fella was one of them

[spiral cedar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/586216580463984650/983838068542951454/Screenshot_20220607-160049.jpg

[frigid karma]

Quora?

[maiden citrus]

they had the right answer but they had a lot of trouble getting there

[spring briar]

Now I can share hotdog with maka

[spiral cedar]

In 1937, Nishina received word that Lawrence was in the midst of constructing a monstrous 60-inch cyclotron, otherwise known as the “California cyclotron,” or “Calutron” for short. Keen to build one of his own, Nishina wrote to Lawrence and solicited his assistance in the construction of a duplicate at RIKEN. To Nishina's delight, Lawrence agreed and mailed him the tools and components required to build his own giant cyclotron in early 1938. One of the modules that Lawrence shipped over was a gargantuan 220-ton magnet, then the largest magnet in existence.

[junior trench]

I wonder if anyone was specialized in that kind of transport yet

"the cargo is stuck to the ship, sir"

[spiral cedar]

Probably a lot of wood crating

[spring briar]

You’ll need a big fridge for that magnet

[delicate beacon]

I bet Richy knows everyone's favourite dinosaur.

[maiden citrus]

[spiral cedar]

When the liaisons returned to RIKEN in February 1944, Nishina reported that both the Calutron and the Clusius column would be operational within a few days, but that they had hit a wall with the production of uranium-hexafluoride. They were running dangerously low on sugar – a highly sought-after, and therefore rare commodity during wartime – so much so that the researchers were forced to dip into their own paltry rations. Kigoshi, for one, shamefully revealed in a later interview that he had purloined his own mother's entire sugar supply.

Imagine having to steal from your mom’s pantry to keep your country’s nuclear weapons program operational

[frigid karma]

Read out of context, it makes it sound like said pantry has enriched uranium resources lying around

[manic latch]

Read it as panty

Would be more interesting story ngl

[spiral cedar]

As one might expect, Nishina's patience was visibly wearing thin. It reached the point htat he began to disregard traditional etiquette and protocols. Japanese custom, for example, dictated that one must address their elders and superiors with the utmost deference at all times. When Major-General Nobuji innocently inquired why the researchers had not substituted the 10 kilograms of uranium needed for an atomic bomb with 10 kilograms of some other run-of-the-mill explosive, Nishina dismissed him with a brusque wave of his hand. “That's nonsense,” he scoffed. Those who came to Nishina's defense insisted that he meant no disrespect, and that he had simply become accustomed to “the spirit of Copenhagen,” or “a democratic style of research in which anyone could speak [their] mind.”

[spring briar]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_1LdMWlNYS4

Found Britain

[delicate beacon]

Summer

[maiden citrus]

pbs eons content is blessed

[spring briar]

Indeed

[maiden citrus]

spacetime is too

[spring briar]

me chilling in the Carboniferous

https://tenor.com/view/on-my-way-hazen-audel-a-larvae-lunch-primal-survivor-im-coming-gif-19207480

[spiral cedar]

The internal strife within the military branches, in particular the deep-rooted tensions between the IJA and the IJN, undoubtedly impeded the progress of Japan's atomic bomb project. It wasn't until the autumn of 1944 that the branches finally cast aside their differences and joined forces in the name of advancing the empire's nuclear knowledge.

Much to the dismay of all researchers involved, it was anything but smooth sailing from there on out. The IJA and the IJN failed to see eye to eye on budget issues, investigative techniques, and research priorities, among other matters. But at last, after more than a year of aimless negotiations, the bickering branches arrived at a compromise. In the spring of 1945, IJN officials conceded that the research conducted at RIKEN was more extensive, and the knowledge and technical skills of its personnel of a higher caliber, when compared to those at Kyoto University. The Navy, and to that effect, Arakatsu's team, agreed to play second fiddle to Nishina's crew.

[spring briar]

Shimosa moment

[manic latch]

AG600

[silver crest]

when germany helped modernise the chinese army, did it have a significant effect on japan's war on china?

like to the point where china would be in trouble if it weren't for the modernization efforts

or was it miniscule

[frigid karma]

Modernization efforts were far from complete I think

The more you know

[round ingot]

On this day in 1942, the USS Yorktown sank in a torpedo salvo fired by the Japanese Submarine I-168. This salvo also sank the USS Hammann which was supporting at the time. Before she sunk, the Yorktown played a pivotal role in the sinking of Hiryuu at the Battle of Midway.

[spiral cedar]

Sōryū

[tough quail]

they were in trouble with it

given they uh

lost incredibly badly

like even with the backing of the western allies and the war drawing to a close japan still held the overwhelmingly vast majority of territory it took in china during the war

there was never really a bagration equivalent

[round ingot]

Yorktown played a decisive role in sinking both Hiryū and Sōryū

[spiral cedar]

Yorktown’s airwing, taking off from Enterprise, yes

[round ingot]

refugee planes aye

[spiral cedar]

But the strike that took out Hiryū was not launched from her deck

[cinder escarp]

Nah man, it was clearly Hornet's airwing

I'm amazed Stanworth Hope wasn't sacked after midway

[spiral cedar]

Can’t ruin the mood

[ivory ridge]

120 RPM, sure

[maiden citrus]

30 minutes

lmao

'how do we get paper specs to say 120rpm?'

doesn't even the normal otobreda fire 85rpm

[tough quail]

i dont uh

think the otobreda is gonna be firing that fast for long either

the ak-176 is dumping it's entire ammo load on the mount in that scenario and the otobreda only has 10 more rounds

[cinder escarp]

The normal Oto-Melara 76mm Compact is 85 rpm... but has an even worse issue than the AK-176

Basically, it shakes itself to bits

And it cannot hold aim

[maiden citrus]

ah so do need to go to the fast one for reliability

[cinder escarp]

The AK-176 also has the neat feature of being able to operate unpowered

The core mechanisms are all recoil operated, and there is manual hand traverse and elevation for emergency

The Oto guns won't function without DC power

[maiden citrus]

wouldn't you be manually aiming at missiles though, it's a feature but like, I guess

[cinder escarp]

For missile's it'd be hopeless using it manually, but if it's a drag out fight and it's down to the last stand to punt rounds at the other boat...

[remote monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/517152730394132492/983836084402258051/dinosaur_fans.mp4

as a Hadrosaurus fan I feel called out and compelled to make a 17 page argument detailing the many ways a 15 ton hadrosaur can flatten a tyrannosaur just with its weight

[maiden citrus]

dude that sauropod callout

[remote monolith]

hit too close to home 😔

feels like every year we got discoveries of more giant sauropods that initially gets billed as over 50 meter, only for more research to confirmed its probably sub 30 at best

[maiden citrus]

people keep wanting for every one discovered to be bigger but not every sauropod is gigantic

obviously some are but there are also plenty of 'huge', or 'large' sauropods

[spring briar]

Uhhh what friggin hadrosaur was 15 tons?

[strong plank]

well if that music doesn't bring back memories

[remote monolith]

its also partly the fault of paleontologists tbf, understandably most want to be the one to find the biggest/longest/heaviest Sauropod ever and tend to get excited

[remote monolith]

upper limit for Magnapaulia and Shantungosaurus

[spring briar]

Argentinosaurus is still the biggest land land animal ever

[tribal mortar]

no

its a fungus

[maiden citrus]

well yeah that's who I mean

[tribal mortar]

[remote monolith]

largest and heaviest from more reasonable remains yeah, which is why it tends to be the benchmark for big Sauropods

[remote monolith]

ah yeah

[tribal mortar]

kamikaze scar on sussex

[spring briar]

These don’t even live near trex

[spring briar]

That’s not essex

[tribal mortar]

i said suspects

[spring briar]

I know

[remote monolith]

I know, but let me dream 😢

[spring briar]

Trex is still the largest therapod dinosaur by weight

[tribal mortar]

yeah thats cool and all

but have u seen a purussaurus

god damn they thicc ass crocs

[remote monolith]

unsurprising yeah, since tyrannosaurs are basically built to be stocky as all hell unlike other theropods like allosaurids

[spring briar]

If you believe the upper estimate maybe

People find a random skull and swear it is 25 meters long

Predator x moment

[remote monolith]

Liopleurodon moment

[spring briar]

Kek

[tribal mortar]

lol liopleurodon

[remote monolith]

mfw you get ballooned to over 3 times your actual size and an order of magnitude your actual weight

[spring briar]

Me, a mosasaurus hoffmani enjoyer

[maiden citrus]

at least dreadnoughtus is relatively well preserved and not like, a femur

which is why it's nice they got into prehistoric planet

[spring briar]

South carolinus

Dantonus

Radetskus

[tribal mortar]

one day hopefully we’ll be able to recreate prehistoric creatures

thats if we dont blow ourselves up

[spring briar]

Ok jack horner

[remote monolith]

best part about Dreadnoughtus is the fact that 28m is for a subadult and not a fullgrown one

[spring briar]

I say we let them rest

[remote monolith]

so true adult size probably is around Argentinosaurus

[tribal mortar]

yeah

[maiden citrus]

yeah, it's arguably just as big

[spring briar]

Maybe a little lighter

[maiden citrus]

actually dreadnoughtus is kinda chonk

[spring briar]

Certainly

[remote monolith]

titanosaurs otw to completely reverse the trend of sauropods becoming smaller in the cretaceous by birthing some of the chonkiest lads ever

[maiden citrus]

'small? armored? watch this you saltosaurs'

[spring briar]

tail whips

https://tenor.com/view/opm-one-punch-man-saitama-gif-4977952

[maiden citrus]

then again alamosaurus is certainly respectable

but we get to play the bone memes again

[spring briar]

Barosaurus glow up

What’s y’alls favourite dino

[maiden citrus]

the sauropod life be like

'best I can do is twee fiddy bones'

[maiden citrus]

hard to say, I just like sauropods, there are many good chonkers

[remote monolith]

Maraapunisaurus: You are like a baby, watch this single vertebra whose already broken when discovered and disintegrated without anyone knowing when it happened

[spring briar]

me seeing ceratosaurus getting bullied by allosaurus in every dino documentary

[tribal mortar]

spinosaurus

[remote monolith]

the time will come for when Ceratosaurus return into being the horned dinosaur instead of Carnotarus and all these fancy abelisaurids

[tribal mortar]

ik basic

but i can’t imagine how horrific i’d be if it existed before guns were invented

[maiden citrus]

don't worry, in the isle ceratosaurus has a ton of stamina and more bite force

yeah people have really hooked onto carnotarus recently

despite it's best appearance being in disney's dinosaur eons ago

well, until now

lol

[spring briar]

Yep

[maiden citrus]

I guess because maybe the research into the horns, running speed and arms is somewhat recent

and interesting

[remote monolith]

Abelisaurids in general are on the rise recently

since there's mounting evidence that they're dominant predators everywhere outside Asia and America by late Cretaceous

[spring briar]

My favourite is probably therizinosaurus

[remote monolith]

therizino is awesome

funny looking animal

[spring briar]

Has plenty of food

[maiden citrus]

excellent choice for cutting sausage

[spring briar]

And doesn’t have to really fear most predators

[tribal mortar]

u guys ever wonder what color dinosaurs really are

[maiden citrus]

I'd say it's also because they are seen as more active, quick on their feet type predators that are 'more fun to watch' by most people

what with the whole debacle of

'hehe t rex was a scavenger'

[spring briar]

Sausage arms

[maiden citrus]

carnotaurus in particular is quite fast

[spring briar]

https://tenor.com/view/the-carnotaurus-carno-carnotaurus-the-isle-jwe-gif-25181045

Humans 🤓
Dinosaurs

[remote monolith]

nowadays we know that they're no less colorful than birds are today

[maiden citrus]

yeah, skin impressions and all etc became more common to unearth/understand as technology moves forward

carnotaurus is a super recent dinosaur now that I think about it

most were discovered forever ago just they barely knew wtf they were looking at

carnotaurus was discovered in... I think the 80s?

[remote monolith]

tbf what's not cool from a hunting method that boils down to "come out of hiding charging out at full speed and ram some poor sod as hard as possible"

[maiden citrus]

'can you make my head very big and neck muscular?"
'why?'
'big head'
'ok, big head'
-makes skull deep and neck strong and starts running into people-
'I thought this was for big head'

[dusty kraken]

Hey if it works it works

[remote monolith]

sacrifice hand for head and neck enhancements

fucking surreal

[maiden citrus]

hammerheadasaurus

[dusty kraken]

Batteringramsaurus

[spring briar]

Guys I dropped something

[maiden citrus]

Mallecaputium

new carnotaurus name

[spring briar]

I love how those two mammals think they will survive at that distance from the asteroid if they hide

[maiden citrus]

t rex be like 'it may be the apocalypse but man, hardrosaur'

[spring briar]

Om nom nom

https://tenor.com/view/kaperoo-prehistoric-planet-david-attenborough-hans-zimmer-trex-gif-25467494

Me and hot dog

[maiden citrus]

same

'I asked for no mustard'

https://tenor.com/view/dreadnoughtus-long-neck-long-neck-dinosaur-brachiosaurus-prehistoric-planet-gif-25448017

[spring briar]

https://tenor.com/view/capybara-orange-spa-self-self-care-gif-15986252

Pov: Deinosuchus chilling

[maiden citrus]

the air sac design was such a neat idea to really double use the system

[spring briar]

Yee

[frigid karma]

There was ichigo lmao

Bagration but wrong side

[junior trench]

was there a bankai charge?

[tough quail]

yes

[desert agate]

I mean the Chinese had a grand total of 2 divisions modernised by the Germans

[tough quail]

did you never read about the dudes in weird skeleton masks and black katanas swinging lasers at the chinese

[desert agate]

And one of them was wiped out in Shanghai

Plus a few armoured brigades and some battalions here and there

[junior trench]

I was worried the joke might be too dated

glad I was wrong

[desert agate]

Compared to the Allies who, once the war started to kick off gave the Chinese artillery, armour and a wide swathe of advisors, who even then couldn't turn the tide because of the sheer scale of the Chinese front

[tough quail]

for better or worse bleach is forever burned into my brain

[desert agate]

Bleach is one of those shows that's forever on my list but I'll never get to because it's too long

[spiral cedar]

You need brain bleach to bleach your blain of breach

[desert agate]

Blain

Lol

[spring briar]

Breach

[tough quail]

reading that felt like i was having a stroke

[spring briar]

[spiral cedar]

Just remember FAST:
Face
Ass
Speech
Time

[maiden citrus]

rangiku cosplay

[spring briar]

sabaton just really released a song called "wehrmacht"

checks the comment section

https://tenor.com/view/face-creepy-face-scary-face-face-melting-melting-face-gif-15742598

[spiral cedar]

It’s not new

[spring briar]

not implying that

[maiden citrus]

I do think maka rangiku cosplay sounds cute

she's my favorite

[spring briar]

oh lord have merci

[maiden citrus]

can just not change my personality and be in character, jackpot

[spring briar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/733526156330008659/979691807468318730/shiroko_skill_issue_no_bg.gif

[summer nimbus]

anyone knows where I can find information on the Odin battleship?

[eternal veldt]

It's a Scharnhorst preliminary that got fantasised into a full blown design.

See the pinned PR ships document if you want a brief rundown of the details as well as the original thread on WoWS forums.

[alpine onyx]

Diesel shaft

[spring briar]

[alpine onyx]

reminds me, I must still turn Scharnhorst Kai into an all diesel design

[maiden citrus]

blessed

[spring briar]

[spiral cedar]

With triple 35.5

[eternal veldt]

Are you going to make the funnel smaller

[alpine onyx]

probably not

[maiden citrus]

bigger?

[alpine onyx]

since the Diesels I was given to use are 8000hp each, so I'll need like 16 of them to meet any sort of desirable speed

tho a few years later those same diesels were upgraded to almost twice the output, so later on she can become a speed demon

[spring briar]

I want to make a 2x2 274mm armed pre-dreadnought

[alpine onyx]

do it

[eternal veldt]

Trunk it into a massive funnel

Lexington's level

[maiden citrus]

pre dreads based

[eternal veldt]

Then plop those rangrefinder domes everywhere

[spring briar]

I will then have it fight HMS Majestic

[maiden citrus]

and make it not so majestic eh?

[spring briar]

hehe

[tribal mortar]

damn i was 7 years when this happened

[maiden citrus]

thanks for the pic and status message

hm, date?

[tribal mortar]

i was in sf too at the time

2012 i think

[maiden citrus]

it's a good photo

[tribal mortar]

uss iowa before being shipped to a museum

[spring briar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/528197562998718474/983305597820731492/Screenshot_2022_0530_142231.gif

[maiden citrus]

geeks

[tender monolith]

Lmao

Been busy at work tonight, I miss anything interesting?

[alpine onyx]

@spiral cedar Got around to playing with the ballistic curves of the German 283 and 380mm, and got a semi confident estimate on the velocity curve for a potential 355mm gun

[spring briar]

decameter/s and hectometer...

sirene...

I know that you want to put it on the same graph but damn

[jovial elm]

More quality Quora

https://www.quora.com/

https://www.quora.com/?digest_story=158469473&num_stories=12&source=4

[spring briar]

I was just following my headcanon sir

[alpine onyx]

Wouldn't be authentic otherwise

Now I must draw it onto paper

Rough it up

And sell it as an authentic document I found in grandpa's basement

[spring briar]

I'm sure you found some interesting things in your grandpa's attic

[maiden citrus]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/world-war-two-tank-discovered-in-german-man-s-basement-10365618.html

[spring briar]

exactly

[alpine onyx]

That I did actually

[maiden citrus]

[spring briar]

finds a pocket battleship

puts in pocket

[alpine onyx]

[maiden citrus]

perfect

[jovial elm]

F14 fans are the wehraboos of the non-wehraboo community

[spring briar]

there's some merit to the F14 atleast

[alpine onyx]

Now Richy, generate me some pen curves

[jovial elm]

But F14 vs F35 is just madness

[maiden citrus]

rich is out to look for curves

[jovial elm]

Here is a question for RTW2

Rain of steal vs decisive strike?

[spring briar]

No, Rozhestvensky, don't go without taking more cleaning supplies!

[eternal veldt]

Just use a mop

Assuming he didn't toss those overboard

[dapper parcel]

Are there any report on how the cockpit-style nav bridge works out?

[ivory ridge]

not that i know of

[chilly osprey]

First U-212 NFS taking, uh, the very early semblance of shape already

[solid mango]

Never knew I could do that, thanks for the enlightment

[delicate beacon]

K

[manic latch]

Iron Blood fan humour

[desert agate]

oh my god kremlin fuck off

stop being an asshole to todd

for no fucking reason

[manic latch]

Well he was being sus

Get it?

Hahahah

Also Todd was an asshole for Fallout 76

So shut

[near raptor]

So the new melee update seems as though it’s trying to fit Torpedo Rams into the game like the one shown above as it’s the only naval melee weapon that isn’t totally ancient existing until the early 1900s

They stopped being used way before ww2 though which is a bit of an awkward thing for a ww2 game to implement

[manic latch]

As an Iron Blood fan. You should know the best of old technology being used again for ww2 designs

Germans with their Turtlebacks and flat turret faces with angled upper plates

[eternal veldt]

[manic latch]

And speaking of technology

Kinda doubt for that last 155mm staying on the ship still

[remote monolith]

@desert agate https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-07/dinosaur-therapod-footprints-skenes-creek-great-ocean-road/101121278

its a great year for Australian Paleontology scene

[chilly osprey]

plan is still to remove both guns AFAIK

[remote monolith]

and as usual another Abelisaurid discovered https://dailynewsegypt.com/2022/06/08/fossils-of-fierce-carnivorous-dinosaur-abel-discovered-in-egypts-western-desert/

[desert agate]

niicee

[manic latch]

Makes more sense. Since it has no ammo anymore

[spring briar]

[fierce sparrow]

oh! another Australian dinosaur ehh?

[spiral cedar]

Nice units

[spring briar]

[dapper parcel]

should use radian while at it

Dm for decameter is

[spring briar]

using radian in AOF graphs...

[spiral cedar]

It fits for Deutsche Marine after all

Interested in your methodology, whether you used a linear interpolation or some more complex model. Does it still match your model with the 20cm included?

[spring briar]

obv he used regression to find a polynomial fit for any shell

[spiral cedar]

Polynomial fit for 2 curves

[spring briar]

no, individual polynomial fits for each

followed by a p and a t test

[dapper parcel]

Getting 355 curve from 283 and 380 curve
That sounds a lot like interpolating the curve constants from two data point

[spring briar]

in case the emote didn't make it clear, I'm not suggesting that he actually did a regression on this

nerds

[dapper parcel]

unless you managed to get the caliber itself there somewhere in the formula, which at that point you're into some Nathan Okun level of arcane magic

[spring briar]

you could

by using regression

[dapper parcel]

imagine getting two unknowns from two curves

[spring briar]

just get all the parameters you can find that are relevant (check their relevancy first) and then regress until you find the function containing all the parameters

[spiral cedar]

Bill Jurens is screaming in agony

[spring briar]

alternatively

fabricate a penetration curve

apply parameters regression

make shell to match found parameters

[spiral cedar]

[alpine onyx]

@spiral cedar That is the full sheet, but half of that can be ignored. The direct path was that I took the velocity at given ranges and calculated the kinetic energies, then looked at the percentage of remaining kinetic energy at the given ranges. Between 283mm (ugly sis gun) and 380mm gun that was fairly close to each other, so I plugged each into the Excel solver to deliver the quadratic function that would deliver the smallest maximum deviation from the known values. Again those two formulas were quite close to each other, so I took the average between (since the weight and muzzle velocity and caliber is in between) those and got the remaining kinetic energies at the ranges, which I then reconverted into velocities. Elevation angles were almost identical between the two, and until 25km so were the angles of fall, so those I also averaged (tbh with the scan quality I cannot even guarantee the 283mm or 380mm angles to be accurate, so )

Probably would've gotten a better result had I gotten for a proper drag coefficient which could then properly take caliber into account, buuuuut for the estimatic nature of my work it suffices

The 203mm shell dragged noticably more and earlier, so I wouldn't be confident making a shell at that caliber, and it again leads to my estimate being only semi-reliable

Multiply your thumb with pi and all

[spiral cedar]

Danke

[spring briar]

using the 203 wouldn't be representative anyways

even as a lower limit

[alpine onyx]

Also the Hm and Dm usage allows even Excel to put velocity and angles onto the same Axis without going full

As meme-y as it is

OKM was considerate of poor students typing all that shit into Excel 80 years later

[spring briar]

it looks to be a decent gun

[alpine onyx]

Gonna try to get German-like pen curves from there, to complete the picture

But should amount to a gun that can cause pain to Bri'ish superdreadnoughts that might be floating around

[dapper parcel]

You can use dual axis on excel btw

just put the second set of data in secondary axis

[alpine onyx]

I know there was some way

But feels like half my time in Excel is googling

So when I can help it I streamline

[spring briar]

are you happy with the velocity curve?

[alpine onyx]

It looks believable to me

[spring briar]

it is believable

compared to richie's

given that at similar striking velocities shell penetration tends to roughly scale with caliber

so that gun seems to have about 14/15th of richie's pen at around 30/33rd of the same distance

[alpine onyx]

[spring briar]

roughly

[alpine onyx]

Everything is roughly

[spring briar]

so it's 4.4 cal right?

[alpine onyx]

Mhm

[spring briar]

have you figured out the required twist rate yet?

[alpine onyx]

[spring briar]

[spring briar]

Hmmm

British chance of not losing a ship at Dogger bank was ~40%

@alpine onyx

[fierce sparrow]

https://youtu.be/rpk1DLaV1WQ

[tough quail]

not these

[shrewd pecan]

https://youtu.be/XjsxhYetLM0

[spiral cedar]

I remember that paper

In fact

I feel like I linked it somewhere a year ago

Oh right

https://youtu.be/IuFgJULHI7g

[spring briar]

yeas

[tribal mortar]

russian typhoon class submarine

[fervent wyvern]

I never saw this in any history book

French DD dreadnought

[shut wren]

Soviet vibes

[tough quail]

given it was taken under soviet service

[maiden citrus]

this soviet is made of soviet

[spiral cedar]

These solar neutrinos are form the sun

[shut wren]

KV-1 with what looks like a T-26 in the background

[junior trench]

T-26

[shut wren]

yep

[ivory ridge]

So many different planes

[shut wren]

WT mfs on their way to name all of them

[ivory ridge]

None of those are in WT

[shut wren]

history and plane nerds on their way to name all of them*

[ivory ridge]

Unless you count the Harrier, but it's not the same model

[shut wren]

Harriers are mig killers

[ivory ridge]

According to the post where i took it from
From left to right:
🇩🇪 Tornado
🇺🇸 Harrier
🇩🇪 Eurofighter
🇫🇮 (?) F-18
🇸🇪 Gripen
🇩🇪 A400M
And of course mirrored on the right

[shut wren]

noice

[fierce sparrow]

French Dreadnought ehh?

[frigid karma]

Does anyone have that vid with all of Bismarck’s flaws that had shooting stars in the background

[cinder escarp]

How dare you put the idea of listening to that song in my head

[hearty plaza]

This could make Zumwalt OP!

[frigid karma]

:/

More burkes imo

With their new lasers

[frigid karma]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-i-do-meme-mega64-gabe-newell-beatles-happy-gif-24568829

[fierce sparrow]

[hearty plaza]

Can the war in Ukraine be discussed in a topic here?

[rapid junco]

No

[spiral cedar]

I mean…armor-wise, technically…true?ish

[maiden citrus]

ah yes

onion layers of wrong on an infinitely stupid answer

[spiral cedar]

Well

Bismarck does have a few more mm of sloped deck armor, and Scharnhorst does have a few more mm of flat deck armor

On average

So

Teeeeechnically not wrong in terms of armor

Bismarck also has a slightly more advantageous slope for her sloped deck against belt hits compared to Scharnhorst

So it’s an answer likely so based on such wrong ideas that it loops back around to being right-ish again

[maiden citrus]

the better balanced part is what got me specifically

[spiral cedar]

Well, better balanced against CLs maybe

[maiden citrus]

and fairly even for the armor it's basically so negligible it'd be hard to make an argument for it

besides, scharnhorst has that 350mm belt, someone should tell him

[alpine onyx]

The 350mm belt must be molten down

[maiden citrus]

hehe

just like breyer's 16'' colorado belt

may it rest in peace, you never existing armor thickness