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#history
manic latch
gloomy musk
germany had a navy?
wasnt it all sub gaming 
eternal veldt
KGV, PoW Grey.
DoY Brown-red.
Anson and Howe Red.
gloomy musk
KGV, PoW Grey.
DoY Brown-red.
Anson and Howe Red.
tribal mortar
A lot.
manic latch
static delta
There
maiden citrus
now you're a tankie, no improvement
manic latch
now you're a tankie, no improvement
He is under my protection now
manic latch
Is your profile pic an *Iowa*-class?
maiden citrus
'a lot'
tribal mortar
Twice, I believe
maiden citrus
see that one's too easy
manic latch
Is your profile pic an *Iowa*-class?
It's the Project 24 model from world of warships, it does share some similar features to Iowa but she was designed to counter her and Montana class
tribal mortar
So it's a Japanese battleship?
manic latch
Soviet
spring briar
tribal mortar
Ah
manic latch
Japanese plans are burned
tribal mortar
Right, all Project ships were Soviet.
delicate beacon
So it's a Japanese battleship?
Yes. 
manic latch
Right, all Project ships were Soviet.
And Dutch
spring briar
ok, nimi
what light cruiser was lost during the invasion of norway?
manic latch
Not sure who else use project
tribal mortar
ok, nimi
what light cruiser was lost during the invasion of norway?
Admiral Hipper-class heavy cruiser KMS Blücher.
tribal mortar
Right
tribal mortar
So what should I use?
static delta
But the ships are KMS
eternal veldt
Nothing.
spring briar
just the name
tribal mortar
Alright
eternal veldt
Just Blücher.
manic latch
Dont think the Dutch do, but Nevesbu and IvS do.
Wasn't it also Project 1047?
static delta
I actually say the German navy part before the ships name
tribal mortar
Just Blücher.
So what class was she?
maiden citrus
drunkek for the enlightened
spring briar
Blucher was a Hipper
delicate beacon
Wasn't it also Project 1047? <:hmm:886726902449045534>
Nevesbu project, notice how it never says Project 1047 on the governmental documents or prints, just slagkruiser
tribal mortar
But she was a light cruiser?
manic latch
So what class was she?
Heavy cruiser. Since you know 203mm
manic latch
But she was a light cruiser?
spring briar
drunkek for the enlightened
1200 kg of TNT protection TDS for the experts
eternal veldt
1300*
spring briar
But she was a light cruiser?
no, she was a heavy cruiser
eternal veldt
Or 14+ depth charges
tribal mortar
Someone said Blücher was a light cruiser, which is false.
delicate beacon
no, she was a heavy cruiser
A heavy heavy cruiser at that. 
manic latch
Someone said *Blücher* was a light cruiser, which is false.
And you believed them?
tribal mortar
No, it was just confusing.
spring briar
anyways the CL I was looking for was Konigsberg
tribal mortar
Oh
spring briar
No, silver
I mean the TNT prot. of Dunkerque was estimated at 1200 kg
from scale up tests
take that number with a grain of salt
still hella impressive
tribal mortar
Anyone know what ships used a twin 380-millimetre SK C/34 naval gun mount?
spring briar
bismarck and tirpitz
tribal mortar
Ja
static delta
No, I'm a tank guy
spring briar
and planned on Kronshtadt, gneis and scharn
manic latch
and planned on Kronshtadt, gneis and scharn
And Sevastopol
spring briar
and maybe sevastopol
delicate beacon
And O class? 
spring briar
O class wasn't even laid down so I exclude it
tribal mortar
What was the O class again?
manic latch
delicate beacon
Fake wehrb
manic latch
What was the O class again?
Agir but with 380mm and no WG changes
delicate beacon
O class is Kronstadt clone
tribal mortar
Oh, okay
manic latch
O class is Kronstadt clone
spring briar
Agir makes me barf
tribal mortar
Was the Sovetsky Soyuz class a project?
delicate beacon
Just look at navweaps
Navweaps...
manic latch
Was the Sovetsky Soyuz class a project?
Project 23. 4 laid down fifth planned for 1941. Then invasion happen
tribal mortar
Oh, I didn't realize they were laid down so early.
I thought they began construction in 44
manic latch
I thought they began construction in 44
eternal veldt
Ägir is just horny bait, riche.
tribal mortar
Yes.
eternal veldt
And whale bait in WoWS.
eternal veldt
Inb4 they add Carnot and it's even hornier 
tribal mortar
Why not be a tank with a battleship gun?
eternal veldt
Brest's model makes me want to off myself, no thank you
manic latch
Why not be a tank with a battleship gun?
Because you don't need a BB gun on tank
tribal mortar
That's actually impossible
Landkreuzer Panzerkampfwagen 1000 Ratte
eternal veldt
I'll take Cherbourg
static delta
Landkreuzer Panzerkampfwagen 1000 *Ratte*
That never got built
tribal mortar
True
spring briar
I'll just be the tank guy
Ok, what is this shell then
static delta
Only thing of it is the plans
manic latch
Landkreuzer Panzerkampfwagen 1000 *Ratte*
static delta
Ok, what is this shell then
76mm I think
tribal mortar
I'm being hit.
spring briar
manic latch
I'm being hit.
Historical Nimi experience
tribal mortar
Ouch.
static delta
Could be worse
You could be that one panzer division
That was destroyed by 1 KV-1
tribal mortar
Wow
spring briar
tribal mortar
Shell.
spring briar
get your knowledge up to the highest standard you can
alpine onyx
spring briar
don't accept "just enough"
alpine onyx
Guten Tag
spring briar
Het gaat goed met mij ja
static delta
Dam it I forgot hello in russian
spring briar
blyatt
static delta
That's not hello
manic latch
Dam it I forgot hello in russian
Privet
spring briar
I know
tribal mortar
They're speaking Beer, Baguette, and Vodka at the same time.
alpine onyx
Forced to take French classes for so many years
spring briar
same here, Kraut
but German
and when the teacher asked where german was spoken
I looked her in the eye and said
MOZAMBIQUE
tribal mortar
The only classes available to me are Spanish, which I really dislike.
alpine onyx
learning English was fun tho, blessed be cartoons
manic latch
same here, Kraut
Why name Alsace as Alsace but not Notredamus?
spring briar
tribal mortar
I feel like I'm in a chat with a bunch of Europeans.
manic latch
I feel like I'm in a chat with a bunch of Europeans.
You American?
spring briar
you kinda are
tribal mortar
<:hmm:886726902449045534> You American?
Ja
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spring briar
alpine onyx
Also a KMS enjoyer in here, quick a pic of the best German DD
tribal mortar
Which one is it?
spring briar
🇬🇷 
static delta
I feel like I'm in a chat with a bunch of Europeans.
Hey, I am European, I'm British after all
alpine onyx
that's a cookie for you Richie
spring briar
Hey, I am European, I'm British after all
alpine onyx
ZG-3 she be
tribal mortar
Also a KMS enjoyer in here, quick a pic of the best German DD
What ship is this?
alpine onyx
ZG-3
static delta
I have 3 favourite tanks
tribal mortar
Never heard of it
static delta
I can send the images of em
tribal mortar
So technically, it's Greek, just owned by Germany.
static delta
Anyone wanna see the tanks
spring briar
I can send the images of em
that's the trap a lot of people fall into
tribal mortar
Sure
alpine onyx
technically she was British, Dutch and German, then operated by the Greek and then captured and used by the Germans
spring briar
they get too into the fancy stuff and forget the ACTUAL interesting German stuff
and miss out on the rocket propeller beyblade shells
tribal mortar
technically she was British, Dutch and German, then operated by the Greek and th...
That's an interesting service record.
static delta
Ima just wait to see if anyone wants to see the tanks
tribal mortar
Just send them.
gilded girder
they get too into the fancy stuff and forget the ACTUAL interesting German stuff
Shamelessly plugs the Fw-200
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KV-1, Pershing(?), and one I don't recognize.
static delta
What the 2nd tank?
gilded girder
where tf is the Fcm 36 pak 40
The what now
static delta
Below the KV-1 L-11
spring briar
Om nom nom
I steal all ze bread
tribal mortar
My guess for the second was the Pershing, but that's probably wrong.
manic latch
My guess for the second was the Pershing, but that's probably wrong.
It's a Sherman man with 76mm
static delta
The very same used in the film Fury
static delta
That is fury her self
manic latch
Last one looks like m22 locust but British version?
spring briar
The what now
static delta
Or well, harry is it's real name
static delta
Last one looks like m22 locust but British version?
Its the locust
gilded girder
Oh yee. I remember this
I thought it was turreted or something when you said it
😛
spring briar
@alpine onyx
German navy when diesel: 
German army when they encounter enemy tanks that require diesel fuel: 
gilded girder
That's M4A3E8 Jumbo
Blud that ain't even a Jumbo 🗿
static delta
The M4A3E8 is considered a Jumbo
spring briar
hey Sirene
you know zis girl?
alpine onyx
of course I do
alpine onyx
she was with Hermes during her final sortie
tribal mortar
The carrier Hermes?
alpine onyx
ZG-3 Hermes
alpine onyx
Leone Pancaldo
spring briar
it is italian
tribal mortar
Okay
alpine onyx
They both got under intense air raids while transporting materials to Africa, Leone was hit several times and sank, Hermes received splinter damage and sat dead in the water
Later Hermes got towed into a harbor, but scuttled due to Allied forces closing in
alpine onyx
11:41
static delta
Russia greatest failure
static delta
Best name for a ship there
static delta
Tidi
alpine onyx
you need to spread awareness then, like I keep trying for ZG-3
tribal mortar
Looks very familiar.
alpine onyx
she needs her as designed addition to the aft superstructure
then I shall embrace her fully
gilded girder
peak aesthetics
Tie with the Tribals imo
tribal mortar
So what ship is that?
static delta
Russia greatest failure
Ngl this tank actually was hell in ww2
gilded girder
Never a fan of the "not fully enclosed" turrets but it eventually grew on me 
static delta
What in the what?
spring briar
need that ACAD
tribal mortar
What in the what?
Idk
static delta
I'm confused, I don't understand stuff about ships
alpine onyx
Welcome to our daily madness
spring briar
French torpedo layout debate between full center line and wing mounts
solution: do both
alpine onyx
spring briar
static delta
I'm the odd one out
tribal mortar
Did Unicorn have a retrofit irl?
static delta
Unicorn is not getting retrofitted
alpine onyx
not sure what the bar is to be considered a retrofit
static delta
She's a museumil in Scotland
maiden citrus
cute
alpine onyx
most ships received some form of modernization
tribal mortar
She's a museumil in Scotland
Wrong Unicorn.
alpine onyx
even just bolting an additional 20mm gun onto the deck is a modernization
static delta
That's this world standards
tribal mortar
The HMS Unicorn aircraft carrier was scrapped in '51, I believe.
alpine onyx
and given how Z-23 (sorry) got a retrofit, the bar for historical requirements isn't all that high since Z-23's modernizations were not all that wild
static delta
The HMS *Unicorn* aircraft carrier was scrapped in '51, I believe.
HMS Unicorn was never a carrier
She was a repair ship
It even says she's a repair ship
She just looked like an aircraft carrier
tribal mortar
She did have planes, tho
static delta
And had the role but she was a repair ship
spring briar
Silly FCM 36 pak 40
tribal mortar
Hang on, I need to see if the Unicorn you said is a museum in Scotland is even WWII era.
static delta
Deded
alpine onyx
Something happened to you?
tribal mortar
@static delta The HMS Unicorn in Scotland is from 1824.
spring briar
@alpine onyx 
tribal mortar
The one in Azur Lane was put in reserve twice, after WWII and after the Korean War, which I guess were large enough time periods to update her, so that could be the entirety of her retrofit.
tribal mortar
That's certainly a statement.
alpine onyx
"Those structures? Let me tell you of the time I was gunfighting two cruisers"
alpine onyx
poor 6
rough start into the war
took her until like 1943 to iron out a faulty turbine installation
spring briar
tell me a better duo than Destroyers and wonky turbines
static delta
Jesus a KV-1 survived 154 shots from 18 panzers 3's
alpine onyx
spontaneous self-combustion
static delta
Ah
spring briar
hydraulic fuel leaks
static delta
So hipper likes to catch on fire
While panthers and tigers likes to have transmission failures
alpine onyx
meanwhile Eugen kept looking at her like "bro wtf is wrong with you?"
alpine onyx
yes
static delta
So I wasn't wrong
Gud
I always check
Also anyone heard of the story of the King Tiger that got rammed
spring briar
yes
static delta
It's kinda funny ngl
dapper parcel
Hipper's machinery were LaMont boiler w/ Parsons-Rateau turbine fwiw
Tho her problem was mostly materials
And the outrageously high pressure and temperature for what was available
alpine onyx
And a training issue, the KM expanded way too fast for it's own good
static delta
E
spring briar
Literally 50 shades of grey at this point
spring briar
eternal veldt
This also implies that PoW is just literally a charred ship during Denmark Strait
This but somehow even worse
(in other words, Bismarck gets nailed twice by black ships)
spiral cedar
The 3000 Black Ships of Churchill
eternal veldt
3000 black/grey ships of the home fleet
dapper parcel
why not both?
Still couldn't figure out why they put the turret there.
Seems like worst possible location
spring briar
~~why not both?~~
Was gonna say ARL-44 and Dunkerque since technically they're both Dunkerque
spring briar
smol
jovial elm
1 smol 1 big
Fire it, watch all the windows of crystal palace shatter
Let's hear it from others, does HMS vangaurd deserve UR?
I am biased so my answer is obvious
jovial elm
and no, she kinda doesn't
Kinda?
eternal veldt
I don't like it, by virtue of relatively weak firepower for a BB built in the 1940s
Everything around her is great, just not the main guns
jovial elm
Everything around her is great, just not the main guns
This is AL where the main guns are swappable lol
I was kinda meaning everything else
eternal veldt
Seakeeping is fairly decent
eternal veldt
But yea, you have to contend with Bort
jovial elm
but those also get outclassed by Jean Bart in the 50's so
Erm... Ok, look let's not compare her to stuff a decade newer than her
spring briar
bort and the IJOWAS
jovial elm
Fairs
spring briar
it just took a long ass time to decide what to put on
jovial elm
I think it would have worked better for Vangaurd to be a character based around storms
jovial elm
I think it would have worked better for Vangaurd to be a character based around ...
Ie debuff accuracy of others
spring briar
one day
Jean Bart retro
eternal veldt
I find it funny that both Bort and Vanguard have omega big 4heads now that you mentioned it
spring briar
yea
jovial elm
I find it funny that both Bort and Vanguard have omega big 4heads now that you m...
True dat
eternal veldt
Blocky as fuck
🧊
eternal veldt
I'd give Vanguard a slight edge in terms of aesthetics for me
spring briar
they both got told "be there or be square"
but they both weren't there
eternal veldt
The blocky bridge on both is bad for me
spring briar
I'd give Vanguard a slight edge in terms of aesthetics for me
I agree
eternal veldt
Vanguard just has the tripod and special design funnel to nudge a little
eternal veldt
And pains me to say it, I like WG's spin on thunkek and conqkek's queen Anne's mansions
dapper parcel
In a roundabout way Vanguard was better suited for the slower tempo post war duties than a "proper" battleship would 
spring briar
JB on the lookout for her girlfriend Massachusetts
spring briar
Da Queen
static delta
What did I miss
tender monolith
i mean when you get right down to it a lot of the other URs either don't fucking exist or were garbage
so i don't care too much that the new Ur is also
dapper parcel
Out of URs, one was very good ship, one was supposedly good ship, one was an abortion, and two were wankfest... 
ivory ridge
static delta
Huh
static delta
Huh
manic latch
Out of URs, one was very good ship, one was supposedly good ship, one was an abo...
Who is the supposedly good
Shimakaze?
dapper parcel
yes?
manic latch
Why would you call it he
static delta
Bismarck is a he -
manic latch
And who said that
tender monolith
a. no one cares about bismarck
b. it depends on the country whether it is he or she
static delta
And who said that
Bismarck captain-
tender monolith
and i think it mainly comes down to tradition
static delta
Who's name was Bismarck
dapper parcel
what?
eternal veldt
Bismarck's captain decided to act on his own
eternal veldt
Bismarck in German is strictly 'Die Bismarck", or "Das Schlachtschiff", either female or neutral.
static delta
I remember reading something saying that the captain called Bismarck a he
manic latch
Bismarck's captain decided to act on his own
.
manic latch
"ий" (sovetksY) is masculine word ending
"ая" (sovetskaYA) is feminine word ending
So Soyuz is masculine 
eternal veldt
Because what better way to fetishize the object that you have to stay a long time with
Sexist joke inbound, hang on
manic latch
Because what better way to fetishize the object that you have to stay a long tim...
I told people
They wouldn't listen
eternal veldt
The fucking figureheads on age of sail warships are literal women and if you're lucky, has booba on it
HMS Benbow's badge is a bird with booba on it
manic latch
Sexist
humble mulch
And everyone ignored him
manic latch
Except wehrbs
humble mulch
Accept dumb wehrbs
manic latch
Accept dumb wehrbs
I accept
humble mulch
Captian literally used sexism as is reasoning to not call it a she
static delta
Technically that also came into play as well
cuz calling any object a she is saying a women is an object
spring briar
This ship is too strong to be a woman
there's women that could bench press his weight twice
humble mulch
humble mulch
There's women who can beat him at fucking everything
static delta
I am bored
dapper parcel
hi bored
Coming from genderless language I always think gendered word as unnecessarily absurd.
The need to differentiate the 3rd person pronoun is mildly amusing. The recent furor when you use the wrong pronoun however is absurdly amusing
static delta
Huh
humble mulch
Arabic and Farsi from what I’ve been told do some weird 2nd and 3rd person shit
Also it’s interesting to note, that some of the old English forms were had way more gendered words and even some for children
alpine onyx
Bismarck in German is strictly 'Die Bismarck", or "Das Schlachtschiff", either f...
Thank you!
🍪
I would've thrown yet another war diary around
even her war diary makes sure to use she for Bisko
haughty osprey
If you wanna call Bismarck a he, go ahead.
Just don't expect much respect from folks who think violating centuries of western naval tradition in referring to ships as "she" in favor of the whims of a card-carrying Nazi is a dumb idea.
alpine onyx
not even the Nazis agreed with the male form, it was a small handful of people that through one way or another wanted the male form to be used
haughty osprey
Indeed
alpine onyx
But the actual OKM and the office for warship construction didn't give two shits about their wish
tribal mortar
Realistically, it was only the commanding officer, Admiral Günther Lütjens, who wanted her to be called a he. Lütjens told others to call her a he, and they did so because they had to follow orders.
tribal mortar
But the actual OKM and the office for warship construction didn't give two shits...
The Oberkommando der Kriegsmarine, or OKM, didn't give two shits about a lot stuff. Hitler was supposed to give a speech or something for Bismarck before she left, but he never got to because the OKM sent Bismarck and Prinz Eugen out two weeks early.
Tomorrow will actually be the 81st year that the HMS "Mighty" Hood has been underwater.
somber knoll
~~hi bored~~
Coming from genderless language I always think gendered word as un...
praise Malay supremacy
static delta
kv-1 has returned
spring briar
Tomorrow will actually be the 81st year that the HMS "Mighty" *Hood* has been un...
why are you saying it as if Hood has killed your dog lol
manic latch
why are you saying it as if Hood has killed your dog lol
Check his name
ivory ridge
Uh, i never noticed how easy it was to distinguish a 76mm SR and a Strales mount
so you can even see if a picture of the 2 Orizzonte class was taken before or after modernization
like for example here you can see the old guns
tribal mortar
why are you saying it as if Hood has killed your dog lol
I don't have a dog.
ivory ridge
and here the new
humble mulch
Ooo
ivory ridge
when did the modernization actually happen?
chilly osprey
Though, you can use Strales on the older mounts if you use the NA-30S Mk.2 director
chilly osprey
I think it was around 2014
But I can't recall exactly off the top of my head
That might be for Cavour rather than the Orizzonte
The FREMM have had it from the start
ivory ridge
I like the new one
i must be honest and say that i prefer the old one, especially on ships like the fremm
the Strales seems to like
stick out
dapper parcel
Strales won't look that bad if not for the ejection deflector
ivory ridge
ivory ridge
like it seems to have way too much empty space under it
while the SR seems more "connected" to the deck
ivory ridge
there is an antenna in there
manic latch
dapper parcel
See, it looks better without the jutting deflector
manic latch
Why not put antennas on both sides
ivory ridge
i need to find a better pic for the cursed UAE mount
ivory ridge
manic latch
static delta
Privet
manic latch
tender monolith
because Hood killed it
i am adopting the phrase "Hood must have killed his dog too" as code for identifying a wehrb from now on
manic latch
static delta
??
humble mulch
Instead of the ATF it's a 14" shell that gets em
spring briar
yeaaaas
humble mulch
Anyways I do see your point and agree that on that ship the only one looks better
spring briar
I'm proud I've contributed to the anti-wehraboo movement
we'll beat these guys on chicken, broccoli and rice
tender monolith
hell yeah
static delta
What
tender monolith
what
spring briar
natty allies doing cocaine vs virgin wehr doing meth
static delta
Idk what's going on
frigid karma
Instead of the ATF it's a 14" shell that gets em
hood
14”
spring briar
brits used cocaine
germans amphetamines, cocaie and oxycodone
us army was on coke too iirc
but nowhere near the frequency that the germans used it
delicate beacon
Didn't it have something to do with amphetamines not being considered a drug in Germany at the time?
chilly osprey
Italy: You guys can afford to give your conscripts drugs?
actually that's a joke I don't know enough about the army to make that assertion
alpine onyx
Realistically, it was only the commanding officer, Admiral Günther Lütjens, who ...
Wouldn't bet on that one. Digging a bit through the survivors' testimonies I have only found one non-genderneutral mention of Bismarck, and it of course is female. Sure Lütjens was dead at that point, but whatever influence he might have had on his subordinates regarding Bisko's pronoun does not appear to be that pronounced
delicate beacon
Fun fact, every front the Dutch navy was present the German offense was stopped. This basically only leaves... the Grebbeberg 
delicate beacon
Wouldn't bet on that one. Digging a bit through the survivors' testimonies I hav...
Primary source used, opinion discarded.
alpine onyx
ah crap, Wikipedia mode engaged
tribal mortar
Wouldn't bet on that one. Digging a bit through the survivors' testimonies I hav...
Alright
alpine onyx
I'll quickly write a blog post without any sources, and cite that instead
delicate beacon
I need to finish my book and use that as source in the future 
alpine onyx
My source is that I made it up
eternal veldt
Wouldn't bet on that one. Digging a bit through the survivors' testimonies I hav...
Deutsch ist ganz verboten, deshalb ist deine Ansicht total falsch.
-Wikipedia
jovial elm
Tomorrow will actually be the 81st year that the HMS "Mighty" *Hood* has been un...
To be fair, the term "might hood" was put in place 1920 when she was built, not 1940 when she sank.
1941
spring briar
Hood is a fucking battlecruiser
any warship can get the "mighty" title in my name
cause they're all capable of huge compared compared to literally any other weapon other than nukes and missiles
what I'm trying to say is
BB's and BC's are absolute units
ivory ridge
Mighty deez
manic latch
any warship can get the "mighty" title in my name
I think it was more of show-off
Hood: Announced world wide, largest warship ever made during her launch, makes a tour around the globe
Yamato: Secret, not even gun size is known
@spring briar 
chilly osprey
Hood was the largest capital ship in the world for 20 years
It had the reputation it did for a reason
spiral cedar
"The Fairly Sizable and Decently Capable Hood" doesn't sound quite as good
manic latch
tribal mortar
To be fair, the term "might hood" was put in place 1920 when she was built, not ...
It's not a term, it was her nickname.
tribal mortar
It was actually 1414 deaths, but I guess they didn't know that at the time.
jovial elm
It's not a term, it was her nickname.
I know but you wrote it as "mighty" hood.
So sarcastic.
tribal mortar
You always put a ship's nickname in quotations.
jovial elm
The nickname is "mighty hood"
You put "mighty" in quotations, this changed it to a sarcastic statement
spring briar
tribal mortar
Alright
jovial elm
Sorry autocorrect got me lol
jovial elm
Yeah, it can be either
desert agate
I'm in Gelibolu (turkish name for Gallipoli) eating dinner at a restaurant and one of the guys working here comes up to us with his phone on google translate saying "your ancestors were very brave" and I think that speaks to the attitudes of both countries not only today but at the time
The campaign was not one of hatred, neither side wanted to be there, we were sent half way across the world by a king and empire that didn't care about us and were sent to die on a foreign shore, they were defending their homes
Other than the occasional ultranationalist that translates to today, we've received nothing but kindness since we got here, doubly so when they realise we're Australian
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I'm in Gelibolu (turkish name for Gallipoli) eating dinner at a restaurant and o...
Turks never really had hatred for Australians. Since well they didn't had many encounters
For Greeks however
It's about luck
desert agate
Turks never really had hatred for Australians. Since well they didn't had many e...
They didn't have much hatred because they understood that the British were the ones to blame for us being there
It's not about ethnicity
static delta
gdfhgfhgfhg
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They didn't have much hatred because they understood that the British were the o...
Yup. There is even leaflets
tough quail
english science made u tricked bro
desert agate
those leaflets were characteristically used as toilet paper for the troops, many of whom were suffering from dysentery
ivory ridge
free paper pog
chilly osprey
manic latch
Well well. Montana made her appearance in warship girls
tough quail
bruh
shrewd pecan
we need like
the twenty million Patria variants
I want them to add Finland just for patria spam
tough quail
maiden citrus
Well well. Montana made her appearance in warship girls
based?
strong plank
wasn't montana slated to have different secondaries?
maiden citrus
the new 5''/54 was going to premiere in twins, the midways have it in singles
strong plank
yeah I know they were in doubles, but didn't they have a greater barrel length?
or does it just look that way bc they're in singles
manic latch
yeah I know they were in doubles, but didn't they have a greater barrel length?
Yup
/54 I think
More velocity
manic latch
or does it just look that way bc they're in singles
Forest Sherman guns but twin. That's all. Like the difference of Fletcher and Allen guns
Barrel lenght is same. But longer than older 127mm
strong plank
it's hard to tell from the art but it doesn't look like they used the right barrel length
make that really hard to tell
manic latch
it's hard to tell from the art but it doesn't look like they used the right barr...
Dunno man. That rifle looks long
spring briar
You think the artists care lol
manic latch
Yo richel
Why red stars are so fascinating
I don't know they give the best Aesthetics on military equpment or medals
Shame US's white stars aren't that noticeable compared to red
strong plank
rifle is long but the barrels look to stop at that upper dark gray part
they're too high up to extend the length of the frame
are all WSG designs this cracked
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rifle is long but the barrels look to stop at that upper dark gray part
Meanwhile Marco's 152mm
Yeah sometimes artists kinda ruin it
Or don't care high enough about it
strong plank
sawed-off triple 152mm
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I don't know they give the best Aesthetics on military equpment or medals
Based French
spring briar
delicate beacon
Does Warship Girls still have a meager Dutch complement?
frigid karma
Georgias secondaries
manic latch
Does Warship Girls still have a meager Dutch complement?
Let's see
@delicate beacon Ruyter
But this is the old warship girls
Let's see if Warship girls R has it
frigid karma
Georgia use Iowa secondaries
no no
i was referring to georgia secondaries in AL
like what the fuck is that
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Oh
@delicate beacon HrMs Kortenaer
De Zeven Provincien
And finally. Java
Soo happy Sang?
tough quail
oh no java's hot
manic latch
So I was thinking UR radar equipment options
Let's see
Yamato's Type 93 rangefinder
British Type 275 fire control radar
delicate beacon
Still the same four hm
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French DRBC-10A fire control radar
delicate beacon
DZP is underwhelming but Java hot
manic latch
And maybe AN/SPS-10 Search Radar
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French DRBC-10A fire control radar
I wonder if this was the best rangefinder a BB ever had
delicate beacon
De Zeven Provinciën-class DA-01 and LW-01
Or the fancy VI-01
I should add those as auxs in my Dutch list
manic latch
As for UR AA options
Shielded variant of American MK-33 3"/50
French Quadruple 37mm
Soviet Quad 45mm or 57mm
Bofors M1951 twin 57mm
rapid junco
I should add those as auxs in my Dutch list
What kind of auxiliaries you have in mind?
delicate beacon
- the triaxially stabilised AA director
- luistertoetsel M39 (Dutch prewar airsearch radar)
- the radio-snorkel
- Bofors 10,3cm flare rocket launcher
- a number of possible recon aircraft
- for shits and giggles, island camo
spiral cedar
rapid junco
tender monolith
wait what
tough quail
why is mark felton a dipshit again i forgot
spiral cedar
I checked the site, and yes he's there on the list 
tender monolith
wasn't he the guy that said sinking bisko was a war crime or something
or was that someone else
maiden citrus
isn't he the 'I read from wikipedia give me historian plz'
manic latch
isn't he the 'I read from wikipedia give me historian plz'
"Yes this seems absolutely true. I have tried to research subjects he covers by typing quotes from his videos into the search bar and have had back returns of the same words written originally on various websites.
I just find it disappointing. He is supposed to have a doctorate and be an author yet he copies whole scripts, doesn't bother to fact check it and uses irrelevant historical imagery. He's basically a history version of those text to speech funny reddit channels."
Guess Royal Historical society decided to ignore these flaws
rapid junco
wasn't he the guy that said sinking bisko was a war crime or something
Nah
That's another guy
Mark Harrison that would be
That today uses an alter account on Twitter
Which is "King Royal"
frigid karma
from what i heard his books are alright?? but his YT vids are literally just wiki text to speech
will need to ask someone more familiar on the topic
digital mason
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-dGYLpTP4s
Unstoppable destruction machine?
strong plank
my knowledge of his channel comes exclusively from a single video that happened upon my YT recommended one day
humble mulch
maiden citrus
looks about right
frigid karma
if we get banned for off-topic bc of this that's entirely fair tbh
maiden citrus
nah we have the normal mod today
tender monolith
Mark Harrison that would be
too many Marks with shit opinions tbh
chilly osprey
Caio Duilio in Norfolk @ivory ridge
ivory ridge
nice
chilly osprey
Picture of her pulling in, too
ivory ridge
junior trench
exotic scarab
https://twitter.com/reassesshistory/status/1528757400081432582
isn't he the guy that has the really boring voice that got caught reading wikipedia
like i've heard people say that armchair historian reads off wikipedia sometimes but at least he adds something with animation and some humor
dapper parcel
source-checking or at least context-checking what was written on wikipedia shouldn't be too much to ask too but 
exotic scarab
if I want a youtube channel to give me a quick overview of a subject before I dive in deeper I want them to at least have a good voice of humor
if your going to celeberate a youtube channel for making history more entertaining for the average person why not oversimplified
they even threatened canada for crying outloud
rapid junco
Although there's that channel that made a "WW1 Countries tier list" video as full meme
This one
exotic scarab
I am still mad about the placement of austria-hungary and russia
why did he put brazil higher when all he said was "they did it to hide corruption"
rapid junco
1)I dunno
2)It has nothing to do with corruption as i explained
exotic scarab
i mean a decently sized factor of why AH failed is because of that arch traitor with the hard to spell name
haughty osprey
Alfred Redl?
exotic scarab
yeah
rapid junco
Wenceslau Braz was accused of using the declaration of war as an "excuse" to decree a state of emergency due to the 1917 general strike
haughty osprey
That's not very hard to spell lmao
exotic scarab
he was in charge of the evidencebreau but was also working for russia
which was why the invasion of serbia was such a failure because the plans got leaked a year early
rapid junco
But no
As far as i know, there's nothing related to corruption
The sole reason for our entrance was the sinking of our merchants
Which was the same reason for why we declared war on Germany during WW2 (although that one took more ships to happen)
exotic scarab
even if the claim was false
explain why that makes them better then AH who had some good commanders doing good work even if hotzendorf and the higher ups were debatabley incomptent
rapid junco
And
About what we did in WW1
I can list it here
But there's nothing that affected the outcome of the war
Like i said on a comment on that video and here
My country's merit is more being "The only South American country to ever participate in the conflict"
exotic scarab
ok bulgaria in A tier is kinda ok
rapid junco
Although the British seemed to be happy with that
At the Versailles treaty, there were 3 representatives of us in there
While Portugal had only 2
And Portugal
Had sent an Expeditionary corps to the western front
And also produced a national hero that is Anibal Augusto Milhas
The "Soldier Millions"
exotic scarab
yeah the more I watch it the more confused I get
rapid junco
The guy himself made a community saying it meant to be memey
rapid junco
He said he's preparing a WW2 tier list
I hope he get serious on this one
exotic scarab
oh no
you know if I had a tier list maker and could name more then half the german states
i'd do a napleonic tierlist
England gets top tier for basically winning the war overseas and funding the whole thing,same with bonparte for obvious reasons
rapid junco
And
About what we did in WW1
I can list it here
But there's nothing that affecte...
Our contributions:
1)An 8 ship Division sent to Dakar to fight U-boats, that arrived in Gibraltar one day before the armistice [but still managed to sunk at least one U-boat and suffered casualties due to the Spanish flu pandemic]
2)Naval aviators sent to England, US and Italy (the last one didn't see combat actually)
3)Army officers sent to the Western front (one of them even introduced tanks to our army later on
4)A Medical Mission sent to France
5)Sailors and officers sent to serve on board US ships
I don't know if you play WoWs (well, i only play the mobile version)
But recently, it was announced that the Pan-American tree would receive a new premium commander
That was Pedro Max Fernando de Frontin
exotic scarab
no
wot seemed very pay to win with stuff like premium ammo so wows is proabbly the same
fervent bobcat
Rommel's logistics skills werent bad
he made it to mf suez before he got pushed back
not to mention he was in mf libya while the allies had naval and air supremacy
libya had no real supply routes other than dirt roads at the time
cinder escarp
remote monolith
he never even reached the Suez though?
he never even entered Egypt proper
El-Alamein was his greatest extent and that's at least 100 kilometers from Alexandria
tough quail
on todays episode of delusional fantasies
exotic scarab
rommels logi is about the tier of the average foxhole front
maiden citrus
wot seemed very pay to win with stuff like premium ammo so wows is proabbly the ...
no pay to win stuff like ammo etc in wows thankfully
remote monolith
anyway, old dinosaur news but hey, its something https://twitter.com/DanPalaeon1/status/1483579798827978752?t=de2zidAInJmLfra7Doys5Q&s=19
10 tons for the rex is about 2 times the old minimum estimate for it
also you can see that despite the giganotosaurus being longer, its actually less bulky than a tyrannosaur because it hunts differently, the rex specializing in bonecrunching and facing herbivores with tough bony defenses while carcharodontosaurs like the giga hunts sauropods by slicing bits and pieces of their flesh during an attack
frigid karma
no pay to win stuff like ammo etc in wows thankfully
chkalov
but wows is a pretty good game, tbh
maiden citrus
bringing the goods on the day of the premier
desert agate
he made it to mf suez before he got pushed back
Rommel couldn't take Tobruk with complete superiority of armour, aircraft and numbers of infantry
He repeatedly refused to heed the advise of his allies and junior commanders to halt his needless and rushed attacks that did nothing but unnecessarily destroy valuable tanks and kill troops, and to sit back, consolidate his forces and his logistics and properly reconnoitre the defences of the city
fervent bobcat
his subordinates were quite competent logistics wise tho
I think the same argument can be made for rommel that can be made for italy
exotic scarab
....
fervent bobcat
he did what he could with what he had, but not to the degree that they should of
exotic scarab
nah he went to far ahead and I think he knew it
fervent bobcat
just try having a good supply line when you are in a desert being constantly bombed while the enemy has naval supremacy
exotic scarab
this may just be a annecdote but didnt he say to steal supplied from the british when his troops complained
fervent bobcat
I feel at this point that saying rommel is bad is more pop hist than simping for him
both stances are wrong
he was just meh. Not amazing not awful
exotic scarab
only fun I know about him is when the italians asked where he got some of his medals
remote monolith
bringing the goods on the day of the premier
that premier was damn good ain't it?
best dino docu in 20+ years
maiden citrus
exotic scarab
theres a new dino documentry where?
remote monolith
premiered yesterday
its insanely good
David Attenborough as narrator, Hanz Zimmer as composer, and John Favreau as producer
desert agate
just try having a good supply line when you are in a desert being constantly bom...
Italian and German convoys to North Africa were almost entirely unmolested thanks to the protection of the Italian navy all the way up to late 1942-43
maiden citrus
attenborough, zimmer, dinosaurs
fervent bobcat
Italian and German convoys to North Africa were almost entirely unmolested thank...
RM overblown
fr
desert agate
And the Luftwaffe and regia aeronautica had complete aerial superiority over the Mediterranean and North Africa until about the same time
fervent bobcat
there literally wasnt even a convoy war ongoing
the allies were more focused on defending their bases rather than attacking axis convoys
desert agate
RM overblown
They kept the North Africa campaign ongoing until well past the point it should reasonably have been abandoned
fervent bobcat
The RM lost way more than it won
fleet in being really
only dangerous when not doing anything
desert agate
And there was very much a convoy war
fervent bobcat
And there was very much a convoy war
yeah and that was when they started losing
RM didnt carry the war effort
it was just a fleet in being
exotic scarab
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_Planet
exotic scarab
I have lived 19 years never buying a apple product
desert agate
Should also note that Rommel relied on the Italians for logistics because the Germans brought horses, not trucks, and then Rommel proceeded to overstretch those trucks
exotic scarab
and I intend to make it 100 years
fervent bobcat
Should also note that Rommel relied on the Italians for logistics because the Ge...
the trucks?
exotic scarab
Britain was more threatened by UBoats
thats a hotter take then I have made in awhile
desert agate
The Regia Marinas ability to contest the Mediterranean constantly providing a threat to the British was vital to the security of Axis logistics
remote monolith
@fervent bobcatrather than answering an already discussed about topic, refers to this about Italy please #history message
its comprehensive covering of the topic in this channel
remote monolith
in what way?
fervent bobcat
RM wasnt a threat. It was more of distraction
frigid karma
only fun I know about him is when the italians asked where he got some of his me...
wait what did he then say
remote monolith
at the very least, offer something beyond I don't agree and anecdotes that can be compared with phoenix's answer
fervent bobcat
Italy botched what should've been easy wins (yugoslavia, greece) horribly and had to be bailed out by the germans
desert agate
The trucks tended to move reasonably well on the poor roads of North Africa thanks to being designed for the purpose of logistics in areas where road infrastructure was lacking
remote monolith
and I intend to make it 100 years
your loss then
fervent bobcat
and surrendered pretty quick when the south was occupied
fervent bobcat
italy underpreformed hard and any argument that can defend italy can defend germany too
strong plank
and I intend to make it 100 years
wait for there to be a free trial offer or something
desert agate
and surrendered pretty quick when the south was occupied
It wasn't a surrender it was a rebellion
frigid karma
it was a civil war
remote monolith
wait for there to be a free trial offer or something
first episode is free
and there's free trial yeah
fervent bobcat
It wasn't a surrender it was a rebellion
Victor Emmanuel signed peace, the Germans literally occupied the north and forced italy to reamin in the war
very much a surrender
strong plank
I got a free year of apple tv+ when I got my laptop and I used it to watch the fuck out of Greyhound
frigid karma
the surrender of france wasn't marked by the french immediately trying to shoot up the british
fervent bobcat
the whole country would've surrendered had the germans not occupied the north
fervent bobcat
the surrender of france wasn't marked by the french immediately trying to shoot ...
Thats not a fair comparison
fervent bobcat
it would be more like France falls to Germany and Britain proceeds to occupy Marseilles
no duh they will be pissed
desert agate
The North was Mussolini's power base fought for him after the collapse of the government in Rome
frigid karma
also, the italians shoved mussolini out of power and then hanged him
fervent bobcat
also, the italians shoved mussolini out of power and then hanged him
yes because at that point he was no better than quisling
just a collab
exotic scarab
wait what did he then say
I forgot what exactly but he said he got it in italy and the room got very akward
humble mulch
Yeah literally a civil war, one side with allies and other still with the Axis
Also
Do you know how well opel trucks do?
Africa having poor roads really isn't anything
The roads are at least flat and you know
Not actively killing trucks
tough quail
is this still going
humble mulch
Compared to like, the Eastern Front lol
maiden citrus
I got a free year of apple tv+ when I got my laptop and I used it to watch the f...
cultured
humble mulch
Yeah it started again
fervent bobcat
Italy was reduced to a puppet state of the Germans, no duh the population would resist
frigid karma
isnt' that france
tough quail
riiiiiight so this guy is berci for italy
humble mulch
Yes
strong plank
so the italians provided the logistics that allowed Rommel to fuck up
desert agate
Yes
humble mulch
Wonder if he'll last longer then berci
strong plank
that's gotta be disheartening if you're the italians in that scenario
humble mulch
tough quail
and we're entertaining this even though it's obvious he's not gonna change his mind on anything because
uh
reasons?
fervent bobcat
riiiiiight so this guy is berci for italy
No more like I dont get why you guys are defending italy so hard when their preformance was worse than france
strong plank
now do you see why horse
fervent bobcat
italy was the austria hungary of ww2
remote monolith
its a fun exercise horse
fervent bobcat
good only on paper
desert agate
He shat on France go get him horse
strong plank
how long until unde rolls up
desert agate
He's asleep
exotic scarab
most free trials require you to put a credit card in so they can get you when you forget to end it
strong plank
damn
tender monolith
Wonder if he'll last longer then berci
berci is gone? excellent
desert agate
It's like 4-5am in Italy
exotic scarab
fervent bobcat
At least France set up an exile government and continued to fight. They were literally caught off guard by the Germans
strong plank
how come all the italy shittalking happens at like 3am italian time
fervent bobcat
they werent ready
desert agate
I know because I'm on the Mediterranean coast rn
remote monolith
how come all the italy shittalking happens at like 3am italian time
they fear unde's wrath
fervent bobcat
I dont even know who that is
exotic scarab
uhh then whos the shimmy you hate?
desert agate
The angriest of our two resident Italians
fervent bobcat
uhh then whos the shimmy you hate?
Im talking about unde
humble mulch
First time I've ever seen someone say free France caught Germany off guard
fervent bobcat
I dont know them
humble mulch
When like
strong plank
The angriest of our two resident Italians
wait there's another
humble mulch
They pretty much saw it from a mile away
desert agate
Pr sure Phoenix is Italian too
strong plank
huh
exotic scarab
ah
tender monolith
i thought it was just silver
humble mulch
When a bunch of French ships you know, ran off the Britain
And thr UK started sinking and taking their navy
fervent bobcat
France had a bunch of problems to deal with and still fought hard. Italy was the opposite: many advantages but utterly squandering it
humble mulch
Also French colonies were still in the war
desert agate
exotic scarab
France had a bunch of problems to deal with and still fought hard. Italy was the...
uhh didnt the italians do pretty good in africa