Soviet Gold payment 
#history
manic latch
Well Soviets wanted 406mm for Soyuz
So 380mms wouldn't satisfy
Kronshtadt class was going to use German 380mms
Since they had on spares
manic latch
go ask peepo britain
Lions
manic latch
Problem is if even British struggles building their turrets. No way they are selling them to Soviets
manic latch
go ask peepo britain
Sekrit deals
In a nutshell with Soviet deals
Italy: Very friendly
Britian: Didn't work out
US: Offered old stuff or too large
French: Didn't wanted to share their best plans
Germany: Half scammed
spring briar
ofc
somber knoll
Hey at least you got
manic latch
Hey at least you got
Thanks
spring briar
Germany and the Soviet union were a good team when it came to systematically destroying a country and its identity
so makes sense
manic latch
Germany and the Soviet union were a good team when it came to systematically des...
Their scam was clever
Soviets: Give equipment
Germany: Pay
Soviet: OK
pays
Germany: Gives small equipment only. Keeps delaying 380mms
Soviets: Why you delaying
Germany: Hey have this half finished Hipper to keep trust
Soviets: ok
Germany: Invades without giving 380mms
delicate beacon
Also the biggest reason why Barbarossa happens when it did.
spring briar
that moment when Italy has not yet started their claims on Romanian oil
Germany: don't mind if I do
best team ever
delicate beacon
Italy: This is a team effort.
Germany: We're in a team? 
manic latch
Italy: This is a team effort.
Germany: We're in a team? <:cirD:89652346126506803...
German generals: Ends up blaming Italian incompetence in their books
delicate beacon
At least the US and UK could cooperate on occasion when it benefited them both.
Step 1: Sabotage your ally
Step 2: Blame your ally for poor results
manic latch
At least the US and UK could cooperate on occasion when it benefited them both.
Gremyashchy: I will escort you Edinburgh
Edinburgh: Thx
Gremyashchy: Damn lack of oil. Will refuel and come back
Edinburgh: Dies
Gremyashchy: oof
ivory ridge
spring briar
Best allies
chilly osprey
The USSR and Western Allies were more functional allies, often, than Italy and Germany
delicate beacon
UK isn't flawless either.
somber knoll
UK isn't flawless either.
Hood: are you girls turning to the Germans?
Dunkek: No we don't, stop shooting
Hood started shooting anyway
delicate beacon
Johan Mauritus van Nassau, the ship that stopped the Blitzkrieg at the Afsluitdijk, got eventually sunk by aircraft.
Before she went to the Aflsuitdijk she was escorted by a British Airsweeper, but they got scared and buggered off.
delicate beacon
tough quail
Gremyashchy: I will escort you Edinburgh
Edinburgh: Thx
Gremyashchy: Damn lack ...
gremyaschy how are you affording all these fancy clothes you've been buying recently
delicate beacon
remote monolith
@desert agate have you seen this btw?
https://cosmosmagazine.com/history/palaeontology/australia-small-sauropod/?amp=1
new Diamantinasaurus specimen, juvenile
honestly I'm impressed that Australian dinosaurs went from just Minmi and Muttaburasaurus as the most well known one to a range of dinosaurs from Theropods like Australovenator to giant sauropods like Australotitan
manic latch
So. This new rumored War thunder mobile naval game (war thunder legends) have Stalingrad in it
Can't wait to see Stalingrad on PC as well
tough quail
oh shit time for gaijin to make another shit naval game
I hope that's not a finished model because yikes
manic latch
I hope that's not a finished model because yikes
It's mobile. So likely finished by mobile standards
This game also has submarines
So maybe Gaijin is testing the mechanic through mobile first
Since PC game has depth charges but they are useless %99 of time
desert agate
<@286885038208057344> have you seen this btw?
https://cosmosmagazine.com/histor...
pog
remote monolith
pog
Aussie dinos are fascinating because so far no evidence of big Theropods like Tyrannosaurs, but sauropods still grow to massive sizes like everywhere else
also the variety of wildlife is clearly just as diverse with different genuses flourishing
dusty kraken
man they making a mobile game?
ivory ridge
yes
frigid karma
Fumo channel
ivory ridge
Cringe radar
delicate beacon
frigid karma
Cringe radar
Of course the Italian says that
ivory ridge
somber knoll
Remember when the Lombards even said that Frederick the Red was cringe?
also
When was the last time a German-led Italians win anything?
spiral cedar
5 layers for machinery, but 4 abreast turrets due to hullform limits
The USN compensated partially by thickening the final holding bulkhead abreast turrets
Meanwhile Tennessee
Pre-blister
<--Outboard
0 1 2 3 4 5
| v | l | l | l | v |
| v | l | l | l | v |
| v | l | l | l | v |
| v | l | l | l | v |
-----
Post-blister
<--Outboard
-2 -1 0 1 2 3 4 5
| l | v | l | v | v | s | v |
| l | l | l | v | v | s | v |
| l | l | l | v | v | s | v |
| l | l | l | v | v | s | v |
-----
Key:
l - liquid
v - void
s - service tanks
5 layer pre-blister, 7 layer after
manic latch
About Shimakaze
Since the weight and size of her torps prevented her having spares
Can destroyers get more torps while sailing at the sea by supply ships?
Or they have to use ports to resupply
dapper parcel
Imagine RAS-ing 3 ton torpedo...
At best you need sheltered harbor
manic latch
She fired Germans total of 5,424 shells during Siege of Leningrad
So she had to replace her barrels twice during that siege
delicate beacon
manic latch
What in the hell is the Vickers 80mm/50?
Do you have the book Filippo Cappellano "Le Artiglierie del Regio Esercito nella Seconda Guerra Mondiale"?
Since according the the quote of a random Axishistory forum post
"According to Filippo Cappellano in the book "Le Artiglierie del Regio Esercito nella Seconda Guerra Mondiale" the Italians developed two experimental models of AA guns to late 1920s: a Ansaldo 75/50 and a OTO 75-45 guns but both were rejected. After this, were evaluated some foreign models: Bofors 80/50 M1929 and Vickers"
chilly osprey
I don't have the book. My sources on land combat are generally pretty limited, it's not a major area of study for me
manic latch
sullen canyon
If it was, or if he was related it would of made it better though
rapid junco
It's a stunman (i think that's the correct word, i guess?)
The original Francisco de Paula (the guy from the original picture)
Passed away in 1984, iirc
delicate beacon
I'm growing my own pastaboo.
sullen canyon
Uhhhh.... #other-games is that way?
spring briar
Finally someone addresses this
delicate beacon
Oh no he’s writing dock occupancy tables
manic latch
Uhhhh.... <#680012794728677386> is that way?
Wolfie.
Are you a snitch
rapid junco
@ivory ridge https://youtu.be/F-JUqMw0eyg
manic latch
Wolfie just doesn't like dock occupancy tables.
Worry not Sang. If someone bullies you just tag me
shrewd pecan
I am tempted to grind Italy purely for the centauro
ivory ridge
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684721152739770371/974411895073300640/export1652387703739.png
maiden citrus
shrewd pecan
I want a wheeled modern tank destroyer that isn’t the Stryker
so I’m hoping either Finland gets added to Sweden so I can add a patria to my lineup of STRV-122s
That or I’m looking to grind either japan or Italy
zealous vine
What was French shell quality?
delicate beacon
What was French shell quality?
@spring briar no sleep for you
ivory ridge
kinda hoping
Hitfact 
Want to see something cursed
Marder with early centauro and hitfact turrets
solid mango
extend the beam to 70 ft but where the fuck do we put these 113mm 
edgy linden
extend the beam to 70 ft but where the fuck do we put these 113mm <:WarBlank:753...
why is there japanese 10cm's on a ceveland hull
you devil
maiden citrus
solid mango
why is there japanese 10cm's on a ceveland hull
i still have ideas more cursed than this 
tough quail
jesus christ how horrifying
solid mango
like Hood with 41cm guns and Haruna with german 406mm 
tough quail
ivory ridge
Get hydro suspended
tough quail
it is not enough to suspend the violence in my heart
frigid karma
like Hood with 41cm guns and Haruna with german 406mm <:WarZoom:771757087092244...
@desert agate
Kill him. Kill him now.
spiral cedar
Yamato with a single 320mm in A barbette, quad 381mm in B barbette, and twin 380mm in Y barbette
frigid karma
history moment
tough quail
im a particular fan of "gun"
strong plank
"hnnnnnng 10"
solid mango
Monty is outside holding a bat, I think its a gift for me 
frigid karma
Monty is outside holding a bat, I think its a gift for me <:ZkkWink:588629690609...
I hope her VT fuze shells fly into your room and disintegrate your very being
spiral cedar
humble mulch
They look way to round to be American
spiral cedar
Yeh
spiral cedar
Think so
humble mulch
Ah
spiral cedar
frigid karma
I vote we commit shore bombardment on that man's house who has sullied the good name of cleveland
spiral cedar
I concur
spiral cedar
inb4 Helena gets torpedoed and splits in half coming back from this shore bombardment mission
frigid karma
inb4 Helena gets torpedoed and splits in half coming back from this shore bombar...
she'll get an evil(?) hot yandere NSA stalker clone
hushed saffron
Monty is outside holding a bat, I think its a gift for me <:ZkkWink:588629690609...
That doesn't
look right.
I'm pretty sure you could've fit more 100s and 113s on there.
spiral cedar
I hope the bat is an ASM-2-N Bat glide bomb
frigid karma
I hope the bat is an ASM-2-N Bat glide bomb
too quick a death
the VT fuze shell cannot miss and will ensure a slow painful bleed out
and is personal vengeance from cleveland
ask karma 
solid mango
I'm pretty sure you could've fit more 100s and 113s on there.
I dont want to hurt monty more for im a clevewife enjoyer
slim osprey
Hello anyone know Hms Tartar?
solid mango
I now apologize fir the sins i have cauzed with this artwork 
tender monolith
as you should
frigid karma
I now apologize fir the sins i have cauzed with this artwork <:ZkkBore:585585242...
i don't know why i posted this
tender monolith
why have you done this
solid mango
i don't know why i posted this
Yeah im just gonna go ahead and send my nonexistant 7 Iowa class after you
frigid karma
i don't know
i have become intoxicated with its power
i can hold the entire server hostage with this
solid mango
Gun
frigid karma
guns
eternal veldt
If you're going to Japanize Cleveland
Least you can do is trunk those funnels together, add an obscenely tall bridge, and a couple torpedo launchers
tough quail
why did i tab in here expecting anything better than that
frigid karma
than what
humble mulch
You missed your chance qwerty
solid mango
W h y
humble mulch
Lmao
frigid karma
You missed your chance qwerty
replies still work tea
strong plank
I've chosen a very poor time to tab in I see
frigid karma
Anyways you can do the cut out torps
so i was thinking
torps on deck
very easily hit
not good
solid mango
Should i still do the 406mm Haruna 
eternal veldt
Bear in mind those "cutouts" are still above the weather deck
eternal veldt
Please don't do a fucking cut out below that like a particular arcade boat game does
Flooding hazard 🧠
frigid karma
i want to use that image again but tea will in all likelihood warn me
i shall use it more sparingly and strike when least expected
solid mango
Is there any significant story behind dis photoshop of Iowa to look like Montana or did they just do it because they were bored 
eternal veldt
Photoshop fake bote is funny
solid mango
Ill take that as they were just bored
strong plank
that's an impressive photoshop
eternal veldt
See also:
strong plank
yeah the USN actually finished a Montana
it's buried under mount rushmore
just in case™️
eternal veldt
it's buried under mount rushmore
Montana is just another buried space battleship, wake up sheeple
fair agate
Is there any significant story behind dis photoshop of Iowa to look like Montana...
Dey put da 4th turret on da modernized iowa
25% more nuclear bombardment via W23 shells
I think they were the W23s at least
fair agate
it's buried under mount rushmore
Why mount Rushmore tho
Why not like
The statue of liberty
Bet there's a giant ass naval base under there too
Unless it's actually space battleship montana
Or like a giant ass tank with modern 16 inch guns equipped with W23 shells called the Montana
tender monolith
isn't that just a BOLO
night heart
desert agate
fierce sparrow
scrolling up and... whats up with the foot part???
junior trench
https://youtu.be/ihErjxFtVtE
dumbass just welded the barrel to the muzzle booster smh
glad thistle
Bruh...
humble mulch
desert agate
dapper parcel
Stop taking things too seriously, Monarch is KGV class ingame
delicate beacon
outside of blueprints anyway
No, not even blueprints.
glad thistle
Stop taking things too seriously, Monarch is KGV class ingame
Monarch is a Wargaming fantasy that I think even uses the same hull as KGV
dapper parcel
I know, it's just an example of questionable classification ingame
modern otter
same as Chitose-class and Ryuuhou join Zuihou-class.. but this is.. I hope was a typo
desert agate
Oh yeah time for newbies to come in and ask questions about the new ships
takes out British carriers book
tender monolith
better or worse a crime than Georgia
humble mulch
Well Zuihou-class literally has an explanation
Japan just made that the converted CV class group
Vanguard tho
Should never be called a fucking kgv class lmao
modern otter
yeah only find about Chitose-class join Zuihou.. for Ryuuhou i didn't find anything..
strong plank
That’s like calling Wichita a Brooklyn
humble mulch
Zui is a Soryu class
modern otter
holl up.. link?
modern otter
if they add name "CV-5" or "CV-10" it's ok :v
humble mulch
yeah they did
somber knoll
Taiho is secretly a crane
manic latch
outside of blueprints anyway
Kinda ish. WG goes on the theory with KGV 9 381mm modification. I think it's written but not sure if blueprint was made
humble mulch
surprised they didnt make her as designed tho
ivory ridge
if you ever though they would do otherwise you're kinda pepega
somber knoll
fite me
modern otter
No I'm making fun on EN being EN
ohh ok.. :v
midnight ore
if you ever though they would do otherwise you're kinda pepega
I mean i though they would, but it's still kinda stupid imo
spring briar
muh vertical armor
midnight ore
ww1 guns
manic latch
Well this confirms Lion %100 be UR I guess
midnight ore
manic latch
Well this confirms Lion %100 be UR I guess
Maybe with less HP since Vanguard is heavier than Lion 
midnight ore
Well this confirms Lion %100 be UR I guess
Georgia was an SSR and so was izumo
And Marco
manic latch
But Vanguard is modified budget Lion design
midnight ore
But Vanguard is modified budget Lion design
You think they care?
manic latch
midnight ore
Minor faction curse
Italians deserved an UR more tbh
manic latch
Minor faction curse
Nave da Battaglia da 42,000 T. St.
midnight ore
Well the next HMS event is gonna be >2 years away anyway, so plently of timr to speculate
manic latch
Fuck
glad thistle
New HMS event releases when the british mamage to build a ship worthy of UR
manic latch
Audacious, Minotaur, Daring
desert agate
gib daring
manic latch
Uhh Churchill class
desert agate
gibgibgibgibgib
manic latch
Eagle
glad thistle
Yeah, lets wait till they build a mino
midnight ore
gibgibgibgibgib
Never gonna happen teaboo
desert agate
im not a teaboo
midnight ore
You wish
desert agate
manic latch
Yeah, lets wait till they build a mino
They build Hms Tiger as budget Mino
strong plank
kek
edgy linden
the fake one?
frigid karma
danny gtfo
desert agate
sorry ive said some good things about british stuff sometimes
desert agate
guess that makes me a teaboo now
manic latch
the fake one?
Blueprint one*
glad thistle
edgy linden
yeah the fake one
strong plank
Neither of those are coming soon
edgy linden
Next UR is Des Moines or Worcester
should be Alaska
manic latch
yeah the fake one
It's not fake
strong plank
Qwerty it can’t be Musashi
desert agate
dont mind that i level a lot of scathing criticisms on the british like all the time
edgy linden
It's not fake <:hmm:886726902449045534>
it was never laid down
desert agate
strong plank
Qwerty it can’t be Musashi
Manjuu doesn’t repeat UR types in a row
midnight ore
guess that makes me a teaboo now
You dont have to take every smug comment so seriously
manic latch
it was never laid down
So Montana is fake as well?
midnight ore
And write an essay defending yourself
edgy linden
So Montana is fake as well? <:hmm:886726902449045534>
yes
glad thistle
So Montana is fake as well? <:hmm:886726902449045534>
Yes
manic latch
Oi
glad thistle
But montana has blueprints and all
manic latch
But montana has blueprints and all
Like Minotaur
desert agate
i write essays all the time unfortunately i lost half of the last one i wrote so i havent been able to post it
strong plank
insults
”omg no need to take it so seriously”
desert agate
glad thistle
Yeah but they are perhaps PR ships
edgy linden
blueprints shooprints
never existed = fake
glad thistle
As theyr ein wows
midnight ore
>insults
>”omg no need to take it so seriously”
Teaboo is a slur confirmed
strong plank
not what I said lol
edgy linden
Teaboo is a slur confirmed
go back to genshin twitter
manic latch
desert agate
strong plank
just that if you’re gonna insult someone, at least try to have some backbone
midnight ore
go back to genshin twitter
What
edgy linden
strong plank
instead of backpedaling like a bitch
manic latch
Wish Soyuz called me bourgeoisie
somber knoll
desert agate
oh good lord this channel became cancer quickly
frigid karma
Manjuu doesn’t repeat UR types in a row
because they put this in writing?
desert agate
this is what happens when lore leaks in
somber knoll
ikr
frigid karma
kekw
strong plank
I’m American you 4head
glad thistle
Imagine not having a single sub in game
frigid karma
nice bait
glad thistle
This post was made by not briish
humble mulch
Danny please knock it the fuck off
midnight ore
I’m American you 4head
So pepega british
manic latch
This post was made by not briish
NP: Sup
frigid karma
Danny your bait is just bad
like
holy shit please if you're trying to bait, at least put a modicum of effort into it
this is just sad
midnight ore
Danny please knock it the fuck off
I mean he was literally asking for it
desert agate
strong plank
I wasn’t
frigid karma
now kindly fuck off
strong plank
but like
midnight ore
now kindly fuck off
No
strong plank
Whatever you need to tell yourself lol
manic latch
Freedomaboos vs Wehraboo
frigid karma
sub UR is a waste of a ur slot
humble mulch
Danny you are quite literally trolling and being an asshole for no reason
strong plank
Don’t we have her already or am I getting my numbers mixed up
frigid karma
manjuu is basically tossing cash into the fire
humble mulch
No one asked for you to be a jackass
frigid karma
Don’t we have her already or am I getting my numbers mixed up
i-13
glad thistle
Or - UR PR sub
frigid karma
sub CV
strong plank
Ah
strong plank
Oh please god no pr subs
frigid karma
also it's referred to as "DR"
we literally cant have pr subs
no subs in wows are fake
strong plank
I don’t want to grind that shit
glad thistle
I knoe
frigid karma
god are those two from al-lore
midnight ore
No one asked for you to be a jackass
Well i didnt think that light banter would hurt him so much, i'll try not do that next time
ivory ridge
no subs in wows are fake
one is
desert agate
lets get some UR cruisers
frigid karma
which one?
strong plank
one of the German ones prolly
frigid karma
u-2501 was built
desert agate
so hard
midnight ore
tho she didnt do much
So better than half the UR already
frigid karma
4501 isnt in the game..yet
strong plank
EN acknowledging a mistake - take a picture folks
ivory ridge
ok and
midnight ore
Whats the type xxi uboat that still a museum in germany
desert agate
thank you HQ very cool
manic latch
Yeah U-4501 is only non finished Sub in wows
weary timber
EN acknowledging a mistake - take a picture folks
what does that have to do with #history 
ivory ridge
what does that have to do with <#515583624083406848> <:what:887383872780779521>
it's... the ship class?
so everything?
you're not here often are you
weary timber
you're not here often are you
And this channel ain't on topic often is it?
frigid karma
i mean
when the game this server is based around makes an error as blatant as that, it's asking to be pointed out
strong plank
c) it was posted in reference to an earlier conversation
weary timber
when the game this server is based around makes an error as blatant as that, it'...
Go to #al-general
ivory ridge
a) it's a tweet about the the game
b) game discussions ain't part of <#515583624...
???
strong plank
they are when they’re talking about historical accuracy?
ivory ridge
yeah mate just randomly come here after 2 years to tell what we've been doing for ages is wrong for no reason
lmfao
weary timber
yeah mate just randomly come here after 2 years to tell what we've been doing f...
Right, so #history is getting too lax I guess. Thanks for informing that we should be coming here more often and keeping things on topic. 
ivory ridge
Lmao get lost
ivory ridge
oh nyo the chat is off topic for the
10 or so members that are here often
the tragedy
strong plank
this wasn’t even off topic either lol
ivory ridge
this will have an impact on the economy
desert agate
yeah mate just randomly come here after 2 years to tell what we've been doing f...
they do this like once a year
everyone gets pissed off and then they get bored and leave
frigid karma
fish we weren't talking about the games
desert agate
almsot as if they dont care
manic latch
frigid karma
we were talking about some brainlet on twitter making a historical error
the fact that it happens to be the AL account, well, why give them special privileges
strong plank
It was following up on an earlier convo that went “hey look, they made a mistake”
weary timber
Right, this topic has reached its end. Any further discussion on this shall be dealt with accordingly.
strong plank
It didn’t derail the existing convo
ivory ridge
Oh no, people are talking about history in the context of the game, the tragedy
manic latch
Calling Vanguard King George V class is like Calling Iowa NC class
strong plank
now if we want to talk about derailing conversations, this one right here is a perfect example
manic latch
Iowa has longer barrels
frigid karma
9x 406 and 9x406 is totally different to 10x356 and 8x381
frigid karma
Iowa has longer barrels
yes, why i said caliber
strong plank
It’s like calling Wichita a Brooklyn
manic latch
frigid karma
thats just wrong
desert agate
but its the calibre thats different
frigid karma
i mean
desert agate
ay yo its like calling a st louis a brooklyn
frigid karma
different radar
different gun count
different guns
different hull
how are they similar in anyway
its not like st.L and brooklyn
desert agate
nah its the same bro
ivory ridge
wichita is based on a brooklyn hull tho
ivory ridge
frigid karma
i thought wichita was just a NOxBalti bastard
desert agate
the brooklyn hull was the basis for like, all USN cruisers onwards
manic latch
Shimakaze is literally Yugumo hull stretched enough for extra torp launcher
frigid karma
stretch
manic latch
the brooklyn hull was the basis for like, all USN cruisers onwards
Alaska
frigid karma
Derived from the Baltimore-class heavy cruisers, they were larger, had an improved machinery layout and carried a new design of auto-loading, rapid-fire 8"/55 gun (the Mk16)
eternal veldt
Wow, what did I miss?
Seeing red names here is rather unusual. What did you guys do?
chilly osprey
At the simplest level, most USN interwar cruiser hulls until Brooklyn stem from the Omaha-class. After that they all descend from the Brooklyn's
desert agate
not important anymore
frigid karma
something something "you cant post a twitter screenshot of AL calling vanguard kgv, thats off topic"
eternal veldt
I think that's fixed now.
strong plank
Yeah
chilly osprey
strong plank
I posted that it was fixed and apparently that’s “off topic”
strong plank
<:WaitWhat:402868030918492160>
Yeah EN Twitter labeled Vanguard a KGV class
desert agate
bote
frigid karma
gud scan
gilded girder
The front fell off
eternal veldt
At the simplest level, most USN interwar cruiser hulls until Brooklyn stem from ...
I think the Brooklyn hull lineage goes pretty far, even up to modern ships?
strong plank
what the boat doing
frigid karma
really?
ivory ridge
then again reminder that when they announced Seattle they put "worcester class" at first
frigid karma
kek
chilly osprey
I am less familiar with how far the Brooklyn hull goes past the Montana and Worcester class
But it wouldn't shock me
eternal veldt
At least Worcester isnt too far fetched for Seattle.
chilly osprey
The hull form of the Comandanti-class destroyers has basically informed the hull form of almost every MMI DDG up until the Horizon/Orizzonte
eternal veldt
And Brooklyn hull for Montana?
ivory ridge
fun fact: one of the CGX designs that reached the 2000s was on a uh
wooster hull
apparently
eternal veldt
Yes, Tengu found out the other day.
ivory ridge
eternal veldt
Some real shit the Buships is smoking.
desert agate
and people tell me my idea for rebuilding HMAS Melbourne is unrealistic
strong plank
Space battleship Melbourne
desert agate
Y E S
desert agate
frigid karma
imagine khalkin gol if the japanese had deployed the kongo tank
manic latch
where's my land battleship
chilly osprey
tbf it was the Worcester hullform, not the exact same hull
frigid karma
does she have a shipgirl variant
manic latch
Tanks don't have shipgirl variant no
digital mason
Tanks have tankgirl variants instead of shipgirl varianta
manic latch
but no t-28 tankgirl exists
frigid karma
is that supposed to be t28
digital mason
That's T-35
digital mason
The 2 BT turrets tell as such
digital mason
Lmao
digital mason
Prepare for a full broadside lads!
midnight ore
I suggest trying to stay on topic and not shitposting guys
we already got shit for discussing history too
so
digital mason
Oof
fierce sparrow
rapid junco
delicate beacon
Poggies my first warning. 
ivory ridge
lmao
rapid junco
Poggies my first warning. <:UniHappy:666111460144971777>
Here
Take a picture of Imperial Marinheiro and Benevente (P-61) side by side
delicate beacon
Is that recent? Time for you to get a 
for off-topic.
ivory ridge
delicate beacon
rapid junco
Is that recent? Time for you to get a <:NimiPing:938108749141393439> for off-top...
2010 i think
delicate beacon
I'm busy being EN.
rapid junco
Ah
delicate beacon
I only read channel titles
eternal veldt
Can I complain about RN Antifou-oh wait, the new SSRs don't show it that much
feelsbadman
delicate beacon
modern bote
eternal veldt
Oh right.
rapid junco
Ah Undie
Had i said that my country's new frigates will be equipped with 76mm OTO Melara guns? 
eternal veldt
Didn't the Peruvian cruiser recently got sent to the scrapyard?
rapid junco
I dunno
eternal veldt
or are they trying to preserve her?
rapid junco
Let me check
ivory ridge
Ah Undie
Had i said that my country's new frigates will be equipped with 76mm OT...
very good
delicate beacon
they cancelled museuming her and she's pending anything I think
ivory ridge
76mm my beloved
digital mason
modern bote
A yes the HNMLS Identity crisis
eternal veldt
they cancelled museuming her and she's pending anything I think
Buy it back.
Or steal it, if you can. 
delicate beacon
Well we tried to in the past. It was declined.
Still waiting to see what will happen.
There's offers of funds to museum her after all.
eternal veldt
inb4 ebay listing
delicate beacon
And I think that's what's going to happen.
rapid junco
Most recent news (February 14th, 2022)
The Peruvian navy puts to sale the hull of the light cruiser BAP Almirante Grau
manic latch
So we got
Belfast
Kutuzov
Salem
Uhhh
Colbert. Before they scrapped it
De Zeven
digital mason
I mean you can always dive down to one of them and call it a museum
manic latch
>no italian museum ship
Scrapped
strong plank
Wasn’t there one ship that was considered for a museum?
eternal veldt
>no italian museum ship
Just have the funds 4head
spring briar
there's that one italian protected cruiser that is stuck in a mountain
digital mason
there's that one italian protected cruiser that is stuck in a mountain
Ayo what, where
spring briar
Just have the funds 4head
or just think that you have the funds until the hull of your museum ship rusts to the breaking point
eternal veldt
"oh fuck, I broke the ship by dropping a wrench"
manic latch
San Giorgio
rapid junco
The other Almirante Grau
Former HMS Newfoundland
eternal veldt
But really, tbh, if you cant maintain her
manic latch
San Giorgio <:Sadge:866427415051763732>
"The wreck was refloated in 1952, but it sank en route to Italy"
eternal veldt
I guess drydocking said ship permanently or just seal it up in concrete would also work
spring briar
Bizerte moment
eternal veldt
I hope I'm wrong, but wasn't Nusret now literally a children park
Or is that just a replica
ivory ridge
there's that one italian protected cruiser that is stuck in a mountain
it's the bow
not even the whole ship
manic latch
I hope I'm wrong, but wasn't Nusret now literally a children park
They even scrapped Yavuz. It could be replica
manic latch
She's not DZP, not since 1953
Shut
rapid junco
Here we preserved very few museum ships
Like
2 1950s corvettes (one of them suffered the same fate as USS The Sullivans)
1 1910s tugboat
1 1970s Oberon class sub
And 1 Cannon class DE
ivory ridge
Vittorio Veneto and a bunch of cold war cruiser and destroyers were rejected because of Funding and Asbestos issues
manic latch
So if we dont count Averof
Japan has more British BBs than British
ivory ridge
the closest we have are cold war submarines
manic latch
Colbert
spring briar
can britain pls refurbish HMS Caroline
eternal veldt
Thuringen with rust
Thuringen?
manic latch
ivory ridge
spring briar
rapid junco
I think i know that one
It would be the older ship in commission in South America if she wasn't transformed into a museum ship
Humaitá
digital mason
Love how they preserved Salem but said fuck you to her sister
It tends to happen
shrewd pecan
Love how they preserved Salem but said fuck you to her sister
I mean there’s only so much money to go around for preserving a ship
be thankful one of them survived
manic latch
Blowing up armor plates using HE?
Only works on 1km for 152mm
On 5km 152-305mm HE can't do anything
So only +356mm stays reliable I guess
Against Kaiser's armor that is
spiral cedar
War Thunder ranges are stupidly short
frigid karma
Just like wows
dapper parcel
20km, but the ships are like 1km long
dapper parcel
thinking about it, I never really look closely into the models to figure out if it's the ships that got double sized or the world that got half sized
spiral cedar
spring briar
thinking about it, I never really look closely into the models to figure out if ...
it's the speed that is increased on everything
dapper parcel
so the kilometer is redefined huh 
spiral cedar
Nah, the engines just use a different definition of time from the guns
spring briar
shells move like three or four times as fast
tough quail
playing wt naval kinda makes you understand why
because every ship suddenly feels like Atlanta and you're just kinda spraying shit in their direction
dusty kraken
playing as a plane in WT naval lets you experience the average life of a kamikaze pilot
ivory ridge
it's the speed that is increased on everything
spring briar
oofie
delicate beacon
It wasn't a flat +20 speed IIRC.
It's (0,875*X) + 25,5
spring briar
spiral cedar
@spring briar @eternal veldt @chilly osprey any of you remember where this diagram comes from? My usual Discord search attempts have failed to come up with the source
spring briar
<@450678921512353792> <@301567539182567424> <@301343127229300738> any of you rem...
Garzke and Dulin
spiral cedar
Which
spring briar
spiral cedar
spring briar
yeap
spring briar
also shoutout to Dunkek having a 1200 kg TNT equivalent TDS if the scale-up from 1/10th to 1/1 was calculated correctly
Yeah, 25° seems a bit shallow even for a SHS
might've had a "skating shell" at such an angle
spiral cedar
No, it's fine
spring briar
no, I mean for penetration
spring briar
<:u47Think:588629717628878878>
navweaps forum?
spiral cedar
Spacebattles
spring briar
spiral cedar
Different forum color and layout
spiral cedar
Washington is only protected against 14” fire 
Washington is not protected against 11” fire 
spiral cedar
Ah
spring briar
Which, if battleship armor were made from kevlar instead of steel, might be true
frigid karma
Does wt naval have any arcade mechanics besides the whole crew health thing
maiden citrus
<:u47Think:588629717628878878>
spring briar
spiral cedar
I like how Nvidia Geforce allows me to do instant replays of FACEHARD 8.0
chilly osprey
lol
manic latch
I got some problems with that book
I think information was way too old
Especially in his Soyuz section. He does mention some new good details I didn't knew before, but you can see the unknown informations of old times
Like he isn't sure about exact times of their scrapping. Or the problems Soviets had during armor production. He does assume they had it
So this means the information he had was limited
If this applies to Soyuz. It may apply to other ships in the list
dapper parcel
written in '80, corrected on '90
delicate beacon
It could be worse, like most sources on Dutch ships just being... wrong...
dapper parcel
and if it was the one Richi shown, that's the old uncorrected version
Tho I don't have time to figure out what's actually corrected
manic latch
written in '80, corrected on '90
Find it kinda cute that author is keep assuming Soyuz has 4 shafts
Since "very wide stern"
she points her having a large ass so it should be 4 shafts
dapper parcel
dapper parcel
manic latch
Yup. He learns the Soyuz's armor removal during ww2 (to be used on frontlines likely) by POW interviews
dapper parcel
He got the baseline from UP.41 plan, so not that weird that he assume 4 shafts
manic latch
He got the baseline from UP.41 plan, so not that weird that he assume 4 shafts
Did you see the theoretical sketch of Soyuz in the book of how might she looked like
Does give me cursed South Dakota vibes
proud plume
This is a crazy story:
https://youtu.be/e7bvtXx5pZ0
They never built infrastructure to support this or trained the people for it originally
tribal mortar
Russia has just always had a bad navy.
cinder escarp
yesn't
As to stole, during the Soviet Onion's split-up, Kuznetsov was allocated to the Russians. It's not like none of the Soviets carriers were allocated to Ukraine, see Kuznetsov's largely-finished sister ship Varyag and the far more impressive but unfinished Ulyanovsk - both ended up in UA hands.
The Russians had all of the same infrastructure for operating the carriers the Soviets did, none of the bases or drydocks used to operate them were outside of Russia - and while its true they didn't have a good drydock for them until recently, that was a fault inherited from the Onion. (The Nikolaev yards where they were built were used only for building, and not for maintenance or operations)
So yes, the PD-50 floating drydock was literally the only drydock the soviets had for maintaining that class - they had planned for more drydocks but the onion split up.
(For Financial reasons, the Varyag was sold to China along with documentation. The chinese studied the ship and documentation, and did a deep modernization while completing the ship, which has been in service as 001 Liaoning. Ulyanovsk, a proper CVN with catapults - was scrapped as it was hilariously unaffordable in the post-soviet environment)
shrewd pecan
Kuznetsov and her sister were both intended for the northern fleet so naturally the infrastructure was gonna her there for her
With the nature of the break up the former Soviet states we’re gonna race to get as many ships as possible out of the various fleets
so naturally Ukraine was gonna attempt to claim the Black Sea fleet
frigid karma
but honestly though
there are better ways for russia to power project than spending billions on useless CVs
strong plank
It’s like if Virginia seceded from the Union (again) while the fords are still under construction in Norfolk
shrewd pecan
if they get rid of Kuznetsov they’re fully riding themselves of the capability to operate CVS
They don’t have any alternatives to her
and it’s not like they can run to China for a new carrier
cinder escarp
They have actually finally completed the new drydock
So after the huge pause in her work, the old bucket will probably have work done in a few months.
tough quail
This is a crazy story:
https://youtu.be/e7bvtXx5pZ0
and other things said by the deranged
tribal mortar
They have actually finally completed the new drydock
Is this image from 2022?
cinder escarp
Why yes, the drydock just was completed within the last couple weeks.
sullen canyon
humble mulch
@tribal mortar I'm gonna stop you right there. This isn't the server for current events and political takes of any kind
tough quail
lmfao
tribal mortar
Oh, okay.
cinder escarp
Yeah, there's a firm 20 year rule.
tough quail
tea wont let you talk about how kazakhstan stole kuznetzov and carried her overland to sell to mongolia
tribal mortar
Yeah, there's a firm 20 year rule.
I guess it's a good thing for me most of my knowledge is about the 1940's.
tough quail
unfortunately there is also a firm 80 year rule
after that mark nobody cares anymore
frigid karma
soo, 42?
tribal mortar
Alright.
cinder escarp
(horse, as usual is joking)
tough quail
yes this is a full blown shitpost
cinder escarp
tribal mortar
Is Arizona META something you just made up?
tough quail
cinder escarp
It is, but Arizona META may well come some day.
She certainly qualifies for being META'd
tribal mortar
Probably
tough quail
arizona meta isnt made up
her design was datamined with yamashiro meta
she just hasnt released yet
humble mulch
yeah the art exists
tribal mortar
She certainly qualifies for being META'd
She'd probably be from a timeline where she didn't sink at Pearl.
chilly osprey
I think information was way too old
This is true for pretty much every entry in that book. Except perhaps the Germans
ivory ridge
i unironically wonder if they didnt let them paint the gun
frigid karma
The aggressive pool paddle
ivory ridge
frigid karma
Maybe bc the recoil would chip away at the paint
tribal mortar
so here have weird missile boat
Looks like a mix between an Arleigh Burke-class and a barge.
ivory ridge
chilly osprey
76mm guns tend to get moved around over their lifetimes, perhaps that plays into it? Or the navy may not feel it's a large enough surface area to be worth painting?
Idk, it seems pretty arbitrary but it's consistent across the entire class that the turret isn't painted
ivory ridge
ah yes, 76mm guns moving around gave us one of the funniest pics ever
found it
it's beautiful
cinder escarp
Looks like a mix between an *Arleigh Burke*-class and a barge.
It's the blessed surface effect Skjold class. The pinnacle of fast attack craft design.
strong plank
It’s a new type of smart camo actually
cinder escarp
strong plank
The enemy will be so preoccupied looking at the gun, they won’t see the ship it’s attached to
cinder escarp
She's got 8x pop-out NSMs in the back, and is good for a stupefying 60 knots
How can a ship go 60 knots?
Simple: like all surface effect ships it's a semi-hovercraft.
There's a rubber skirt up front and on the rear, but the sides of the air cushion are solid. (SES are also called "sidewall hovercraft" sometimes)
fervent bobcat
https://tenor.com/bPDuW.gif
Wehrmacht: instant death
desert agate
The steam engine invented by a turkish bloke like 200 years before the industrial revolution to spin doner
cinder escarp
The steam engine invented in the first century as a toy
It's a crude, but 100% functional rotary steam engine developed in the 1st century and used for... nothing but party tricks
tough quail
cinder escarp
basically the tub below is full of water, you put a fire beneath it, water boils to steam. Steam travels up the hollow ball supports, through the hollow ball, and out the nozzles. Ball is then spun with force.
The basic idea could have been used to make practical steam engines in roman times but the Romans never took it seriously
Literally the same idea
humble mulch
Lmao
cinder escarp
Similarly in one of the bizarre twists of fate: the romans never discovered the horse collar
Which very much limited the potential of horsepower, and stuff went either human or oxen powered.
tiny torrent
is this CV in the background supposed to be Indomitable?
had to judge it from this list however...
dapper parcel
The steam engine invented by a turkish bloke like 200 years before the industria...
Impulse turbine...
spring briar
Parson thinks it's good but gets outclassed by literally any domestic boiler once said country puts in some effort
don't quote me on that
it's true for Rateau turbines
eternal veldt
Repost from (this morning) from elsewhere, but...
For those with an interest in the colour of the lower hull of the KGV Class battleship HMS Prince of Wales, I have consulted the Ships’ Covers for the KGV Class held by the NMM. A note states that MacArthur’s composition was designated to be used on the bottom of HMS Prince Wales. MacArthur’s anti fouling composition came in black or grey. The lower hull of HMS Prince of Wales is visible in photos of her in drydock after the Bismarck action and when sinking. These show that her lower hull was lighter than the (black of) her boot topping indicating that her bottom was grey.
The shades of grey (and red) anti fouling compositions used by the RN in WW2 varied according to the different manufacturers. Photos seem to show that MacArthur’s grey anti fouling might have been very slightly lighter than Home Fleet grey.
PoW joins the grey bottom gang, so it's 2 KGVs with grey bottoms, 3 with brown/red bottoms
manic latch
Russia has just always had a bad navy.
I will be watching you Wehraboo
static delta
I was told to come here
manic latch
there are better ways for russia to power project than spending billions on usel...
Carriers are usually the most accepted vessels for power projection
Personally I find nuclear submarines better. But dunno where did the trend came from
delicate beacon
I was told to come here
Bring thy question and we shall explain why it doesn't make sense
gloomy musk
PoW joins the grey bottom gang, so it's 2 KGVs with grey bottoms, 3 with brown/r...
who's grey and who's brown
manic latch
What carriers? Russia only has 1
My ineffective super heavy failed project friend. I said carriers by carriers around the world
manic latch
And it's stolen
Did you know Ukraine had her sister Varyag and supercarrier nuclear Ulyanovsk under construction? They scrapped Ulyanovsk and Sold Varyag to China
static delta
Did you know Ukraine had her sister Varyag and supercarrier nuclear Ulyanovsk un...
No
delicate beacon
Even the Netherlands had more carriers than Germany and Russia combined.
manic latch
So if Kuznetsov stayed with them. They would sell that to China as well
static delta
I'm a ww2 guy-
manic latch
I'm a ww2 guy-
Well of course. You wouldn't like Maus if you knew these small details
spring briar
as is everyone nowadays it seems
manic latch
as is everyone nowadays it seems
Random not what you think video
Russia stole it
ww2 fans: Russia stole it
static delta
Well of course. You wouldn't like Maus if you knew these small details
Actually, l don't like the maus, I prefer the KV-1
But I was dared to have this
manic latch
Obvious from your name
spring briar
your girlfriend also goes to another school I assume?
delicate beacon
People like to parrot YouTube video's 
static delta
Whenever I do a tank, I change my name to that tank
manic latch
Hello back again 23
tribal mortar
Hello
spring briar
manic latch
Good good
spring briar
Wilkommen auf diese Chat, Nimi
static delta
Okay I really should have made my pfp and name a KV-1
spring briar
tribal mortar
Wilkommen auf diese Chat, Nimi
Danke
spring briar
Wie gehtst?
tribal mortar
I don't know what that means. I know very little German
manic latch
spring briar
static delta
I don't even speak it
delicate beacon
static delta
I'm British xD
spring briar
Mein Freund, ich bin Fransozisch und ich spreche Deutsch...
manic latch
Mein Freund, ich bin Fransozisch und ich spreche Deutsch...
%90 of wehrb population doesn't learn German
spring briar
static delta
I'm not a wehraboo
manic latch
I'm not a wehraboo
I will accept such terms when you change your name
delicate beacon
I'm not a wehraboo
tribal mortar
imagine simping for a nation and then not knowing the language
Not the nation, the navy.
static delta
I actually prefer British, American, russian, french and Italian tanks
spring briar
Not the nation, the navy.
what do you actually know about their navy
manic latch
what do you actually know about their navy
static delta
It failed after ww2
delicate beacon
Germany had a Navy?