The entire self-defending carrier idea was only dropped because you can depend on your escorts or CAP to defend your CV, it was redundant and costly at the time.
#history
twilit geyser
subtle prawn
umbral pasture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_ARA_General_Belgrano
i have a book on the sinking of the belgrano/hms conqueror
desert agate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_ARA_General_Belgrano
Thank you for linking a wikipedia article to an event that everybody knows
You have contributed nothing
autumn sorrel
I still find it morbidly funny that Conquer didn’t use any fancy torp but a very old unguided torp.
desert agate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF3V_yxulMo
Step 1
Harrass your customer
Step 2
Blame problems on your customer
Step 3
Unilaterally increase costs for your customer
Step 4
Wonder why your customer has left
Step 5
Seethe and mald while pretending that you're totally fine about it
autumn sorrel
Step 1
Harrass your customer
Step 2
Blame problems on your customer
Step 3
Unila...
Ehh, I didn’t know that FDI programs have such problems?
desert agate
Not the FDI but Naval Group
desert agate
Naval Group did just about everything in its power to make itself as distasteful as possible to its customer and lost the SSK Barracuda contract with Australia
And now every time you see an SSN AUKUS announcement it's filled with Frenchmen malding about the fact that they fucked up so bad they lost a customer that they already had
autumn sorrel
AUKUS sub are build in US, right?
autumn sorrel
Ah, build in Australia
desert agate
The RN will build its subs at Barrow-in-Furness
autumn sorrel
But the reactors are from US, yes?
desert agate
The American contribution is primarily weapons systems and battle management systems
desert agate
But the reactors are from US, yes?
No
Rolls Royce reactors
The primary US contribution for Australia is the Virginia class boats
The RAN is already intimately familiar with American submarine weapons systems and battle management systems from the Collins Class
autumn sorrel
I am sensing a joke in the future that Roll Royce along GM will make the first Battlemech fusion engine 
desert agate
The RN meanwhile doesn't use a lot of those systems and so it will be a large leap forward for British Attack Subs
autumn sorrel
The RN meanwhile doesn't use a lot of those systems and so it will be a large le...
They don’t plan to continue the Astute lineage but go completely to US system?
desert agate
SSN AUKUS will use AN/BYG1
It was a requirement for the RAN to have it
It's an upgrade for the RN regardless
autumn sorrel
I see
remote monolith
burnt scarab
Thanks for the update Al-Insaan. Wish to hear more from those astronaught people
remote monolith
Thanks for the update Al-Insaan. Wish to hear more from those astronaught people
if you want live feed from them https://www.youtube.com/live/6RwfNBtepa4?si=N42GKJp5lmsQPCdJ
burnt scarab
Since everyone talk about that Falkland thing I got something to say. This Britain under Margtet Thacher prove to be a badarse. Even when led her empire force to trash the Argentine army.
burnt scarab
if you want live feed from them https://www.youtube.com/live/6RwfNBtepa4?si=N42G...
Thank you Al-Insaan
remote monolith
as we speak now they are over 144,000 kilometers away from earth
spring briar
https://fxtwitter.com/NASAEarth/status/2040063993188929837?s=20
Damn the quality is goated
grave ravine
I thought ADL was lighter than Mk29
At least if you are using the tac length variant
I don't actually see the USN going for anything beyond ESSM and it's eventual successors on the carriers because it's still redundant and costly
twilit geyser
I thought ADL was lighter than Mk29
The housing yes, but the full assembly with the missiles besides ESSM will be weighing a lot
grave ravine
The housing yes, but the full assembly with the missiles besides ESSM will be we...
Per BAE ESSM actually is the heaviest option
twilit geyser
I don't actually see the USN going for anything beyond ESSM and it's eventual su...
That’s fair, I’ve seen TLAMs and VL-ASROC get thrown in, but it could be anyone’s guess
late jungle
I also heard that they are going to try and bring back battle ships
umbral pasture
I still find it morbidly funny that Conquer didn’t use any fancy torp but a very...
the spearfish was really unreliable
so they just went with the old way
subtle prawn
flint musk
subtle prawn
grave ravine
I also heard that they are going to try and bring back battle ships
It's never going to actually happen, BBG(X) is going to get canned by the next administration
subtle prawn
Has DDG(X) been officially cancelled yet? I remember reading those battleships they want are going to be replacing them.
runic ermine
Today in history:
https://x.com/i/status/2040041238653501500
X
The Canadian Armed Forces traces some of it's roots to these men
twilit geyser
Has DDG(X) been officially cancelled yet? I remember reading those battleships t...
Officially no, but it may as well be. Functionally, the funding for DDG(X) was allocated to BBG(X) and studies and technology from DDG(X) will be used on the battleship. Like FXR, G-VLS and the big boy SPY-6
But we may see cutbacks on the battleship like displacement (BBG(X) is like way too big for what it's supposed to get and what's on it) or weapons like the railgun, which may or may not bring it to DDG(X) levels of feasibility just under a stupid name.
An outright cancellation would mean billions lost on studies and development conducted by NAVSEA from LSC to BBG(X) which sets the US back by another 20 years before they get a Burke replacement.
Speaking of AEW capability
The Truman is slated to be the first to receive the SEWIP BlkIII
subtle prawn
Inb4 Burke Flights IV, V, and however many iterations pass before a new clean sheet design DDG
twilit geyser
We may see a Flight VI and Flight VII as well if this gets worse 😔 💔 ✌️
Forever Burke💔
peak mango
Hey peak design is peak.
grave ravine
I mean my money is on an immediate revert to DDG(X) when the new administration takes office, with a couple years of lost progress as a result
peak mango
Also the USN sucks at peacetime procruement.
grave ravine
Also the USN sucks at peacetime procruement.
Eh, I don't think there's much of a difference between peacetime and wartime
peak mango
Eh, I don't think there's much of a difference between peacetime and wartime
Fair, but at least in times of actual stress you can kick people out.
peak mango
if you want live feed from them https://www.youtube.com/live/6RwfNBtepa4?si=N42G...
Feed full of banal shit like toilet issues, how to pack away shipboard garbage, and rebooting stuff.
grave ravine
Anyways while Burke is an all round solid design it is worth noting that not only is it kinda old at this point, but there were some compromises made even in the original design
twilit geyser
Also the USN sucks at peacetime procruement.
So like the entire aftermath of WW2?
Procurement has always been a bureaucratic nightmare, difference between now and back then are higherups caring more about costs and media sensationalism than the information being handed out to them
grave ravine
The most problematic one now being the decision to have a design margin of only 6% rather than the typical 10%
remote monolith
Feed full of banal shit like toilet issues, how to pack away shipboard garbage, ...
I think that's fine imo, it's part of the experience
That they're still alive now is already an achievement considering we haven't send anyone this far out in over half a century
peak mango
So like the entire aftermath of WW2?
and ww1
twilit geyser
The SpruCans themselves were controversial ships, being so called badly armed by Congress compared to its contemporaries
grave ravine
Procurement has always been a bureaucratic nightmare, difference between now and...
This is kind of an unfounded suspicion but I think the end of the SCB probably didn't do any good for strategic planning, even if they were less than stellar at their actual job of coordinating the bureaus
peak mango
Srsly, just gimme a fucking hull. I don't care if it's not as survivable as typical USN, if it's 50%+ per copy.. whatever. Just BUILD SHIPS
remote monolith
Hell, I do think seeing all the trivial matters like them struggling with an OS that's non cooperating or have crapper issues humanize them even further since that just what we experience every day as well, and it's no different up there
peak mango
I think that's fine imo, it's part of the experience
Lol yeah, I'm listening in obv. Just hilarious that it's just banal shit and that they need to coordinate just about everything.
grave ravine
It's so cool that we are finally sending astronauts out of LEO again
What a time to be alive
remote monolith
Lol yeah, I'm listening in obv. Just hilarious that it's just banal shit and tha...
Yeah they have to keep calling ground control for random stuff
grave ravine
Everything else may be shit, but space is cool
peak mango
What a time to be alive
If only the telemetry was as good as your typical dragon flight.. or heck, Kerbal Space Program.
twilit geyser
This is kind of an unfounded suspicion but I think the end of the SCB probably d...
I mean we got like 4 carrier classes from the SCB because they directly answered to SecNav
The closest thing we got post SCB was the 1990s SpringStyle studies and the SC-21 as a whole
grave ravine
Yeah
peak mango
I mean now we're gonna have a #$%ton of burkes, 3 zumwalts, 2 constellations, X number of dds, and a bbg.
grave ravine
And the peace dividend and GWOT totally kneecapped SC-21
grave ravine
I mean now we're gonna have a #$%ton of burkes, 3 zumwalts, 2 constellations, X ...
Frankly there is zero way any BBGs are gonna be built
But they really cancelled Connie at the absolute worst possible moment
peak mango
Frankly there is zero way any BBGs are gonna be built
Eh we need a heavy surface C2 node with self defense and credible offense.
peak mango
But they really cancelled Connie at the absolute worst possible moment
FREMM is fine. USN-ized FREMM is crap.
grave ravine
Eh we need a heavy surface C2 node with self defense and credible offense.
We have that and it's called a Burke flt III
twilit geyser
Eh we need a heavy surface C2 node with self defense and credible offense.
That's what the Columbias will fill in and what DDG(X) was supposed to as well
peak mango
We have that and it's called a Burke flt III
too smol.
peak mango
That's what the Columbias will fill in and what DDG(X) was supposed to as well
columbia is a ssn
grave ravine
FREMM is fine. USN-ized FREMM is crap.
Connie was fine design wise, Marinette was just crapping the bed on execution
But like they were finally getting their shit together right when we cancelled it
peak mango
And tbh BBG(X) is a renamed DDG(X)
twilit geyser
They want a 35,000 ton hull with the same CPS count as the DDG(X)
And they want to sack CVN reactors for it
grave ravine
Because muh railguns or smth
grave ravine
But anyways any DDG can serve as a C2 node, though the Burke Flt Is and IIs are somewhat limited
twilit geyser
Sure. still not a surface combatant.
Why would you need a surface combatant for what the Columbias and BBG(X) will overlap in?
peak mango
They want a 35,000 ton hull with the same CPS count as the DDG(X)
Heh DD, C, BB .. if you look at displacement growth those terms don't mean much anymore.
grave ravine
C2 is like the one thing the surface fleet already has down pat
grave ravine
Heh DD, C, BB .. if you look at displacement growth those terms don't mean much ...
The terms are meaningless, but building a 35000t ship is absolute nonsense
twilit geyser
Plus, with potential VPM refits, the Columbias will carry CPS like what BBG(X) will have with way more capacity if the Navy forgoes with refitting VPM on to its non-Virginia subs
grave ravine
There is potential scope for size inflation in DDG(X), especially if the USN insists they want the larger 69 RMA arrays
But that would be to like 18000t
peak mango
TBH, I don't care. Just make more hulls, at this point. Some > none.
twilit geyser
Heh DD, C, BB .. if you look at displacement growth those terms don't mean much ...
Displacement as a definition for warship type was dead by 1945
peak mango
Displacement as a definition for warship type was dead by 1945
Well, yeah. It's role.
grave ravine
Displacement as a definition for warship type was dead by 1945
Frankly it didn't make much sense then either
grave ravine
TBH, I don't care. Just make more hulls, at this point. Some > none.
If we wanted more hulls we shouldn't have canned Connie 💀
peak mango
If we wanted more hulls we shouldn't have canned Connie 💀
Fair. That said, could just have built a non edited FREMM too.
twilit geyser
The BBG(X) sits right with what the issues the CG(X) suffered back then as well, funding a larger hull with a barely noticeable capability increase from a DDG is a waste of money
grave ravine
Fair. That said, could just have built a non edited FREMM too.
Nah I mean there was no way we were gonna use European systems and such
And the delays with Connie had as much to do with staffing issues at Marinette and knock on effects from the delays to MMSC as they did anything else
grave ravine
The BBG(X) sits right with what the issues the CG(X) suffered back then as well,...
Except even more so because it's 35000t instead of like 20000t
peak mango
The BBG(X) sits right with what the issues the CG(X) suffered back then as well,...
From my POV the USN does need a non power constrained platform with enough room for good C2. And modern self defense. Sufficient offense to be a solo threat (not that it'll ever sail alone or anything).
twilit geyser
From my POV the USN does need a non power constrained platform with enough room ...
That's just DDG(X) 😭
peak mango
Meanwhile, type 055 printer goes brrr
grave ravine
That's just DDG(X) 😭
Hell even a flt III Burke meets those criteria
peak mango
Hell even a flt III Burke meets those criteria
Or more zumwalts
twilit geyser
Hell even a flt III Burke meets those criteria
Yeah, maybe even the refitted FltIIAs as well
peak mango
Heh.. idk about the topheavy burkes... where's that beauty shot
grave ravine
Or more zumwalts
Nah Zumwalt is like the DDG worst positioned for handling C2
Since it runs on TSCE instead of Aegis
grave ravine
Sewip blk 3 my beloved
grave ravine
Nah Zumwalt is like the DDG worst positioned for handling C2
That being said IMO we really should have built out the whole Zumwalt buy, even if the design wasn't terribly well suited to the new threats
If nothing else just so that BIW didn't get fucked over
peak mango
That being said IMO we really should have built out the whole Zumwalt buy, even ...
Threats changed too. Tbh, not sure what the response would be to a thousand 'naval militia' with 1-2 containers of long range munitions each.
twilit geyser
That being said IMO we really should have built out the whole Zumwalt buy, even ...
With the entire DBR suite and the planar arrays?
This would've been a tuff looking ship in her original config + CPS
peak mango
too bad ags costs kinda sunk the whole thing.
grave ravine
This would've been a tuff looking ship in her original config + CPS
Yeah
grave ravine
too bad ags costs kinda sunk the whole thing.
Actually that's not true at all
In fact the relationship is entirely backwards
The AGS cost spiral was a result of the cancellation of most of the class
The class was cancelled because there were cost overruns associated with other parts of the ship (mainly the radar suite, IEP propulsion system, and the novel DC elements), because the class was ill suited to the new focus on air and missile defense and the threat of submarines had dramatically dropped off, and because Rumsfeld just hated them
peak mango
Anyway, overall point is, if the next admin pivots YET AGAIN, and no hulls get built, it's a bad thing.
grave ravine
yep
mental tapir
We're looking at the slow decay of the USN
runic ermine
We're looking at the slow decay of the USN
Trump class BBG(X) tho
timber linden
We're looking at the slow decay of the USN
Still doing better than the royal navy....most other navies
desert agate
If the Royal Navy is your baseline you're doing something wrong
subtle prawn
versed rampart
What was the start of the issues for Iran in the modern day people usually point to the 1953 coup
peak mango
We're looking at the slow decay of the USN
Needs a kick in the ass. I mean the USN is funded fine. There's just a lot of institutional perfectionism from a generation of admirals who haven't fought anything (that isn't an overmatch).
mental tapir
Given the current administration and their competence, I'm not holding out much hope for any "straightening out"
peak mango
Given the current administration and their competence, I'm not holding out much ...
can't say anything good about previous admins either tbh.
mental tapir
Personally I now believe I'll be less disappointed if I hold expectations for the PLAN instead
peak mango
Personally I now believe I'll be less disappointed if I hold expectations for th...
tbh I'm kinda spooked by a thousand maritime militia with a <redacted> container onboard of each.
esp with the degree of geographical coordination that's been exhibited.
desert agate
What was the start of the issues for Iran in the modern day people usually point...
You can't really simplify decades of institutional decay and policy failure like that
You could argue that the seeds were sewn with the Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran
You could argue that it goes back to the Great Game between Britain and Russia
You could probably make a convincing argument even further back than that
peak mango
You could argue that it goes back to the Great Game between Britain and Russia
everything goes back forever. Gotta draw a baseline somewhere.
desert agate
No you don't because historiography doesn't work like that
peak mango
No you don't because historiography doesn't work like that
Lol
burnt scarab
Well Iran was captured by both Soviet and Britain. It was use as a supply chain to the Eastern Front. At least Iran and it's rail transport did stop the N--s from going into Russia.
runic ermine
Ive never seen a real image of the Yugo moded Stuart until now
https://www.instagram.com/p/DWyWpxkCGJp/?igsh=Y3hmMDN1Mm8yeXll
Instagram
unborn wyvern
Yugoslavia had a fascinating mix of eastern and Western technology. Communist so they were trusted with some of the classics like the T-series of tanks and MiG fighters but standoffish and close enough to the west to get things like M47s
grave ravine
Ive never seen a real image of the Yugo moded Stuart until now
https://www.insta...
There were also a couple Yugoslav Stuarts with flak 38s
runic ermine
There were also a couple Yugoslav Stuarts with flak 38s
Yeah
runic ermine
Yugoslavia had a fascinating mix of eastern and Western technology. Communist so...
I think their kitbashes are interesting
And speaking of obscure ww2 equipment
Semi auto rifles of certain countries
Japan and their Type Hei
Could hold 5 and 10 round box magazines
Fired 6.5 Arisaka
Only 50 were produced and some were captured by the Americans in the pacific
The Japanese also tried to turn it into an LMG
Its toggle action btw
Like the Luger
unborn wyvern
Japan and their Type Hei
"Emperor! Can we have browning auto 5?"
"We have browning auto 5 at home"
runic ermine
"Emperor! Can we have browning auto 5?"
"We have browning auto 5 at home"
Funny how Enlisted is the most notable game to feature the Type Hei
runic ermine
"Emperor! Can we have browning auto 5?"
"We have browning auto 5 at home"
For whatever reason Japan never mass produced a semi auto rifles but made several different ones
For example the Type Otsu, made from studying captured ZH-29s used by China
Also chambered in 6.5 Arisaka
Only 10 to 25 were made
runic ermine
Could hold 5 and 10 round box magazines
Also here's a Type Hei with a 10 round box magazine
Then the Type Ko
Its a copy of the Pedersen rifle and is chambered in 6.5 arisaka
24 were made with half of them being shortened versions
And then the most famous Japanese semi auto of ww2 (which didn't even see combat) the Type 4
Unlike the others it is chambered in 7.7 Arisaka
It is a copy of the M1 Garand but unlike the Garand it holds 10 rounds and is loaded with stripper clips
Only enlisted gets this right
125 were made
burnt scarab
Type 4, I've heard about it in the Simple History video. The M1 Garand is my favorite WWII rifle
unborn wyvern
It's interesting how semi-auto rifles were really only mastered by the US and Soviets. The German G43 was a knockoff of the STV-40 that wasnt as reliable and other countries mostly toyed with the idea
runic ermine
It's interesting how semi-auto rifles were really only mastered by the US and So...
-The UK bought from the US or used WW1 leftovers such as the Howell but only for home defense in the case of the latter
-Canada used M1 Garands and M1 Carbines but not in large numbers
-Italy actually made a pretty good semi auto (the Armaguerra Mod. 39) and used it throughout the war but only 600 were produced
-China purchased from Europe, got lend lease aid and even made their own semi auto in 1944 using captured Type 38s for parts
-Finland... tried but they mainly used captured soviet stuff
runic ermine
It's interesting how semi-auto rifles were really only mastered by the US and So...
Honestly Finland probably had the worst semi auto
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lahti_L-36
www.jaegerplatoon.net goes into more depth
Basically this is probably Lahti's worst gun
The LS-26 had issues but at least it saw export success and was usable
subtle prawn
<@&472236072743600148>
gaunt owl
I have two questions
- How much money went into building the yamato
- How much money went into developing the tsar bomba
halcyon coyote
I have two questions
1. How much money went into building the yamato
2. How muc...
The best estimate for the total cost of Yamato, from start to completion is about 250 Billion Yen which would be about a billion dollars in today's money
There's a pretty big range of estimates for the Tsar Bomba because there jus isn't really enough information available to put a price tag on it due to Soviet secrecy on basically everything
desert agate
Calculating costs of anything in a centrally planned economy is a pretty precarious task at the best of times
Let alone a project as complex as the tsar bomba
dawn sigil
Yo how much would this thing cost?
desert agate
Equally difficult to convert currencies, account for 80 years of inflation (and multiple completely different economic circumstances across decades) and calculate the actual purchase cost of a system as complex as a warship
desert agate
Yo how much would this thing cost?
Elaborate
dawn sigil
Elaborate
Uhm... how many Birmingham estates would convert into one Jack Fisher Incomparable class BB?
desert agate
If you’re going to ask a question as vague as ‘what would this cost’ you could at least provide some more detail
Tonnage
Builder
Time period
Armament
Size
Propulsion
Armour
dawn sigil
Dude Im joking around man I mean Im surprised the goofy looking ship didnt signal it to you lol
umbral pasture
Yo how much would this thing cost?
£7 maybe £7.2
dawn sigil
£7 maybe £7.2
Zamn...
I knew this thing wouldve cost more than 4 quid
thanks for confirming 👍
desert agate
Aight sorry
My bad it’s late probably should have known better
It is a very stupid ship
eternal veldt
It's remarkably similar to Fisher's Incomparable project, if not the same.
desert agate
I’ve seen a lot of drawings of Incomparable
This is the one on Wikipedia but I’m not well read on it
eternal veldt
This is an interesting one, because its probably not Incomparable.
Rather, it is the predecessor of it, HMS "Citadel", a Mega Renown armed with 18" guns.
This is before Fisher loses it and finally goes to 20" and some proposals with no superstructure.
umbral pasture
I knew this thing wouldve cost more than 4 quid
the ship or 5 freddos
dawn sigil
the ship or 5 freddos
The bloke in the aft turret
desert agate
This thing was somehow supposed to carry 10,000 troops
I feel like he just got a little caught up with naval invasions after the whole Gallipoli fiasco
spice idol
woeful heath
I have two questions
1. How much money went into building the yamato
2. How muc...
If we're going to follow this vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EakQiwhZzIM
14:51–15:40 — Comparison with US battleships: Yamato cost ~130 million yen; North Carolina ~$70 million and Iowa ~100 million USD. In yen terms, US ships would cost ~298–400 million yen; but US GNP scale made those costs lighter burdens.
the vtuber even go in depth in accounting GNP scale even
spiral cedar
Japanese labor and material inputs were simply much cheaper than US equivalents
Cross-national comparisons like that are largely hopeless
It's better to compare to other ships of their own navy, rather than those of other countries
mental tapir
I suppose I could ask instead if a G14/G15 could have been built in place of a Yamato and if it would have been a 1:1 ratio or more/less, including or excluding the pilot training costs
woeful heath
It's better to compare to other ships of their own navy, rather than those of ot...
fair 'nuff
desert agate
Wrong channel mate
wintry moat
my bad, was on autopilot, lol
spiral cedar
Figure in Hans Lengerer’s The Yamato Class and Subsequent Planning
The reduction in man-days of labor required to build the much larger Yamato is attributed to improved mechanization and greater worker experience
spring briar
Damn
Mutsu cost more
I love industrial scale up
desert agate
<@&472236072743600148>
hexed hornet
oh god
hexed hornet
Hi. Only English is allowed on this server. No russian.
sullen canyon
I was expecting that was going to happen sooner or later for that one post, since he was also posting videos and stuff in #avrora-general @hexed hornet
hexed hornet
he has?
desert agate
Bout the 5th time I’ve complained to mods about him
long cipher
Hi. Only English is allowed on this server. No russian.
Remember-no Russian
sullen canyon
Yeah, told him that if it was in English it would be okay, but it didn't have subs or anything
desert agate
Constantly posting AI slop, modern politics, propaganda and just ignoring the channel/server rules
hexed hornet
sigh
sullen canyon
Yeah sorry for you to check another channel for that Ender
desert agate
Can we have our club back yet?
hexed hornet
i will follow up shortly
desert agate
Cheers mate
hexed hornet
i will need to see if it warrants more severe action though
desert agate
I mean he clearly doesn’t care about the mods and just wants to post his crap
remote monolith
please do, I would rather I not see more hypernationalistic AI slop again
remote monolith
not least from someone whose immediate response to any negativ feedback is threatening bodily harm
sullen canyon
Yes and the #avrora-general members are kind of wanting to ignore it too
long cipher
Constantly posting AI slop, modern politics, propaganda and just ignoring the ch...
I don't understand how he hasn't been banned yet.
sullen canyon
Probably should have pinged a mod when it was happening in #avrora-general
sullen canyon
History does need the club exclusive membership again
desert agate
I don’t get why #history gets punished because #al-lore pissed off syanda or one of the other mods one too many times
hexed hornet
He now is gone
desert agate
Thank you ender
remote monolith
desert agate
remote monolith
right now for actual history, letter from the Regent of Cianjur to Thomas Stamford Raffles, dated 1816, as he prepared to leave Java after the Napoleonic Wars ended
English version
Cianjur, April 9, 1816
Subject: Farewell Greetings and Prayers for Safety
To: Mr. Thomas Stamford Raffles, Lieutenant Governor-General of Java and the Surrounding Islands
With respect,
Through this letter, I, Raden Aria Adipati Prawiradireja, Regent of Cianjur, extend my deepest regards to you.
I am deeply saddened to hear the news that you are returning to England. I ask and pray to God Almighty that you will be granted safety on your journey until you arrive safely in England.
This is my letter. Thank you for the friendship we have established over the years.
Yours faithfully,
(Signed)
Raden Aria Adipati Prawiradireja I, Regent of Cianjur
spiral cedar
Was he assigned to Java for a war-related purpose or was it just that his governorship happened to end at that time
remote monolith
Was he assigned to Java for a war-related purpose or was it just that his govern...
He was part of the British invasion force that took Java from French-occupied Netherlands in 1813 and managed it for two years as acting governor general, once the war was over Java went back to Dutch hands as part of the postwar restructuring
He was generally seen as a better and fairer administrator here than the Dutch
Probably with a healthy amount of bias due to his short tenure, but still
spiral cedar
I see
Also what does "took Java from French-occupied Britain" mean
Unless I'm parsing it incorrectly I feel like something's off
subtle prawn
timber linden
https://bsky.app/profile/usni.org/post/3mj336j2n5k2y
Did they Churchill out of his box yet?
autumn sorrel
Did they Churchill out of his box yet?
Only when they find a way to harness the energy from his rapidly spinning in his grave.
twilit geyser
Way bigger than USN contemporaries.
subtle prawn
Bluesky
subtle prawn
Bluesky
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mental breach
https://bsky.app/profile/usni.org/post/3mj6d3gfsnn2c
What a nice family picture! 
(If only the others could be added soon...)
shell sorrel
this week I saw HMS Queen Elizabeth. Can confirm she is big and hot
mental breach
this week I saw HMS Queen Elizabeth. Can confirm she is big and hot
THICC woman
spiral cedar
Flatness is proof of royalty
subtle prawn
autumn sorrel
https://bsky.app/profile/usni.org/post/3mj5p36ucua2j
As if
burnt scarab
Do you think the new Enterprise come soon ? There isnt anything yet
subtle prawn
subtle prawn
unkempt garden
Surcouf
gloomy socket
this week I saw HMS Queen Elizabeth. Can confirm she is big and hot
My favorite vessel is the BISMARCK Class from germany
It is big ash too
subtle prawn
spiral cedar
My favorite vessel is the BISMARCK Class from germany
Have you been following along on the Magellan expedition to her wreck?
gloomy socket
Have you been following along on the Magellan expedition to her wreck?
Wym
They're doing one? 😭
gloomy socket
https://www.youtube.com/@Magellan-gg/videos
Oh damn this is cool asf
Thanks for letting me know tho
spiral cedar
burnt scarab
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAZth6hYQ60
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0kX...
Thanks Sipher
sleek hound
Not sure where to put this but this seems like probably the best place. Im working on a modeling project for a class and im running into an issue bc Im sadly not as much of a ship nerd as I wish I was.
Im not sure how to model the torpedo bulge since Im not certain about these images. So, with this image, is the left side whats under the torpedo bulge, or is that what the hull looked like before the bulge was added?
Im honestly not sure, but it seems like the bulge could fit over that little hump in the left image. If someone with more knowledge than me could let me know what the best course of action would be, that would be greatly appreciated. 
(Please ping in replies so I see them)
eternal veldt
Not sure where to put this but this seems like probably the best place. Im worki...
Not sure if this is what you are looking for. I'd personally just follow the hull frames first, then add the blister.
I'm also not sure which book you are working with either, but AoTS Takao has ample plans to work with.
Slide those frames correctly in your program of choice and you should have something similar to this after some work.
sleek hound
I'm also not sure which book you are working with either, but AoTS Takao has amp...
Ok, so, looking at this, the torpedo bulge does cover that little hump on the hull, so I guess I will model out the hull, then add the bulge over it
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mental tapir
Same reason any fourth-gen/"4.5"-gen is still being built 
runic ermine
Not so fun fact: The guy holding the flag, Lieutenant Pedro Mohíno Díez, was executed by the new government in 1936 who's flag he flew 5 years prior
runic ermine
Kinda insane to see a tweet from someone I cited in an essay a little over a week ago
https://x.com/i/status/2043994843345530934
X
shrewd pecan
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desert agate
Today I ran into the 10th light horse in the Perth CBD
subtle prawn
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desert agate
Arguably the C-27J, and moreso its predecessor, the DHC-4 Caribou, never met the original requirements for a pressurised light cargo platform for service in the Pacific
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versed rampart
What makes Buddhism have such a low birth rate compared to other religions
They were the only one in the 2010s to face population decline
desert agate
What makes Buddhism have such a low birth rate compared to other religions
They ...
Birth rates aren’t really related to religion right now
There’s been a global fertility crisis for decades now across all demographics and all states
versed rampart
Birth rates aren’t really related to religion right now
There’s been a global fe...
True but it seems Buddhism is particularly low compared to most
Is there a cultural factor to it?
Also the "everyone is experiencing it" is cope
There are some going through it worse than others which Buddhism counts for
desert agate
Laos and Cambodia have some of the highest birth rates in Asia
As does Myanmar
All majority Buddhist states
versed rampart
And Thailand has a very low birth rate
In India, Buddhists have a TFR of 1.3
Similar in Sri Lanka and Bhutan
desert agate
Thailand is notably the most developed state in South East Asia and therefore will have lower birth rates in comparison
versed rampart
Thailand is not developed
And they have a low birth rate than Singapore which is actually developed
desert agate
Thailand is estimated to become a developed economy by the end of the 2050s, far ahead of any other developing economy in Asia
versed rampart
It's not they will be trapped as a middle income country with an aging population
They don't even have a young population like Philippines or Egypt even with the decline
Anyway something about Buddhism makes it seem less likely for its followers to have kids compared to other faiths
desert agate
There are certainly cultural factors involved in the birth rate decline but also a lot of policy factors
Regardless however, the global fertility crisis is hitting everyone, Asia is just being hit the hardest
Majority Christian Korea is easily the worst off nation in Asia and State Atheist China is having a horrendous time
versed rampart
Korea is 31% Christian and they are having a birth increase atm
desert agate
Majority irreligious Japan is also struggling through its fertility crisis
versed rampart
China is bad but they have a large amount of Gen Alpha so they have time
Thailand meanwhile doesn't have either a large Gen Alpha population or a good economy
desert agate
Korea is 31% Christian and they are having a birth increase atm
Plurality Christian then
And the increase is a blip on the map
versed rampart
Plurality Christian then
And the increase is a blip on the map
So infinite decline is the solution?
desert agate
No
versed rampart
At least take a dead cat bounce as something then
desert agate
Humans, like all animals will tend to increase in population until we reach a level of equilibrium with the resources around us
The way we perceive that is obviously different to other animals because we consider things such as healthcare, the economy and infrastructure in our decisions to have children
But more or less what we’re seeing is the population levelling out
Current decline is more just a course correction, we’ll probably see in a century or two (assuming no major wars) populations ticking upwards as a very slow but gradual increase
versed rampart
Humans, like all animals will tend to increase in population until we reach a le...
Difference is animals won't have the consequences of aging
desert agate
Obviously there are going to be economic consequences to the global fertility crisis
versed rampart
Also the "everyone is experiencing it" is cope
There are some going through it w...
Also ^
desert agate
You can call it cope all you want but it’s clear that the countries currently being hit the worst are not Buddhist
Yes Buddhist states are statistically the worst off but that’s in line with regional trends not religious ones
versed rampart
Buddhism was the only religion worldwide that faced population decline as I noted
desert agate
The region itself is in demographic freefall, with the exception of a couple of states, regardless of religion
remote monolith
Well, technically they're Shinto, but close enough
desert agate
Buddhism was the only religion worldwide that faced population decline as I note...
It’s just the first
remote monolith
Also Taoists if you ask certain people
desert agate
It won’t be the last
versed rampart
^ very unhelpful answer
desert agate
Europe, Australia and America are only seeing growth from immigration
Christian states in Sub Saharan Africa have seen birth rates drop by over 50%
desert agate
Hugh but in freefall
versed rampart
7 fertility rate was never sustainable
desert agate
Congo is at war, statistical anomaly
versed rampart
Questions was "why does Buddhism have worse demographics compared to other religions"
desert agate
That’s no way to conduct a discussion, leave this channel and do not engage with its members anymore
versed rampart
And you're only answer is "erm everyone else is going through it"
Yeah but why Buddhism is suffering it first
desert agate
As I explained it’s a regional trend
If it was a Buddhist trend then all Buddhist states would experience it equally
They do not
versed rampart
You're only pointing in Eastern world only
I pointed it it's low in South Asia and it's also low among converts in the West
desert agate
Do buddhists in the West have statistically lower birth rates than the Western Nations they immigrate to?
Do buddhists in say, Sydney have fewer births than the average Australian in Sydney?
Buddhists have the lowest birth rates in Australia but it’s not very far below the average
In fact I think they may be above the Australian average
It’s unproductive to the discussion of regional and global fertility rates to boil it all down to religion
The issues run deep in both the global and regional economies
The Asian Financial Crisis and COVID financial crisis have done serious damage to these societies, and being far less wealthy they weren’t able to withstand the impacts like the wealthier nations could
But that’s just makes them a warning of what’s to come more than anything else
versed rampart
It’s unproductive to the discussion of regional and global fertility rates to bo...
Wanna ask but by Asia do you only mean East or like East, Central, South, and Southeast
And Religion does play a part Haredi Jews in Israel have a birth rate of 6 and Christian Mennonites make up near 4% of Bolivian births
desert agate
Mainly South East but also East to some extent
I know very little about Central Asia and South Asia is a subcontinent for a reason
versed rampart
Mainly South East but also East to some extent
I know very little about Central ...
South East Asia has mediocre birth rates with a young population to salvage
South Asia is similar
East Asia has bad birth rates but doesn't face the demographics imbalance the West has
desert agate
East Asia is truly the poster child for how not to run an economy
As it turns out, prioritising short term growth over long term sustainability has consequences
versed rampart
That's how the modern economy works
It's kind of funny to say this but there are many countries in the Middle East with birth rates as bad as "Asia" and Europe
No one has processed the fact Turkey without the Kurds has a lower birth rate than Japan
And Beirut has a lower birth rate than Singapore
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desert agate
You would be hard pressed to find someone in a naval history channel who doesn't
Very nice pictures
subtle prawn
Question, did they say which Block of the Virginia-class the RAN would be getting as part of the AUKUS agreement? @desert agate
desert agate
Full details aren’t public atm and likely haven’t been finalised but I believe at least one of the boats is intended to be a new build
Wikipedia says 2 block V and a block VII but details subject to change particularly considering current events
arctic pulsar
small creek
Very nice pictures
Thank you
autumn sorrel
https://bsky.app/profile/alxluck.bsky.social/post/3mjqklotny227
I want 4 
chilly osprey
Question, did they say which Block of the Virginia-class the RAN would be gettin...
Two Block IV's will be sold from US service, and then they get the first Block VII boat.
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mental tapir
Another 30 billion to GCAP 
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frozen kestrel
Just a quick question. Do I have Aylwin's hull number in the right place, or do I need to make some adjustments?
burnt scarab
That would be me Willie D but I cant visit because of Immigration, cost and all that.
subtle prawn
remote monolith
What the fuck is that dawg
Is that actually leas expensive than a regular stug?
Like, afaik half-tracks are pretty damn nightmarish to set up so idk why you would use that over regular tank chassis
junior trench
i love using an overcomplicated suspension and track system on a vehicle nowhere near heavy enough to require it
for comparison
everyone else ran their half tracks on normal ass wheels, with tracks that were basically metal reinforced rubber bands
a belt of steel cables encased in rubber
that abomination has wet pin tracks
every connection between every link needs to be individually lubed
remote monolith
Nono, the overcomplicated track set up I know is a plague unto every German halftracks
I was referring to the Frankenstug, they ordered 150 since 1942, like why
junior trench
oh yeah
stug production could never keep up
or, rather
[thing] production could never keep up
subtle prawn
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Bluesky
runic ermine
I can post this here right?
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3065030/The_Caribou_Trail/
desert agate
Why do Newfoundlanders get a game about Gallipoli and not, you know, either of the two nations who consider the battle an integral part of their history?
subtle prawn
But that's an indie dev, not those big name ones
runic ermine
Why do Newfoundlanders get a game about Gallipoli and not, you know, either of t...
Because someone from Newfoundland made it?
unborn wyvern
Yeah but Gallipoli isn't really part of the Newfoundland cultural identity. The Somme is because the royal Newfoundland regiment had a 93% casualty rate. July 1st is a day of celebration for Canada as it marks the date of confederation but for newfoundland it's a day of mourning
They did serve in Gallipoli and did distinguish themselves being a rear guard for the retreat but it's a much more important battle for the Australians and New Zealanders then it is for the Newfies
But I suppose a game where you go over the top then get cut down by machine guns wouldn't be very fun
Obviously they celebrate Canada day on Newfoundland too but they joined with Canada in 1948 after an economic crash and referendum (Newfoundland has always been economically troubled) they didnt join in 1867 after John A McDonald and friends said "Hey! If you join with us together in political union we'll bribe the Canadian Pacific Railway to add you to their network!"
unborn wyvern
that was a real thing btw
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Scandal
runic ermine
Yeah but Gallipoli isn't really part of the Newfoundland cultural identity. The ...
Newfoundland celebrates ANZAC day btw
runic ermine
that was a real thing btw
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Scandal
"It's over Macdonald! I have depicted you as the chad dominant force while depicting the nation as a submissive woman!"
unborn wyvern
It's more like he's dipicted as a buffoonish drunkard and Canada as a deeply ashamed spouse
And uhh to be fair he was a buffoonish drunkard
Also Canada as a whole Celebrates ANZAC day but it's less a celebration as in Australia and New Zealand and more a commemoration
runic ermine
Also Canada as a whole Celebrates ANZAC day but it's less a celebration as in Au...
In Newfoundland is a commemoration because the Newfoundland Regiment was the only North America unit to participate in Galipoli
runic ermine
Why do Newfoundlanders get a game about Gallipoli and not, you know, either of t...
I got a game for ya:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3065940/Gallipoli/
subtle prawn
Bluesky
lyric hull
burnt scarab
I got a game for ya:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3065940/Gallipoli/
Oh, I know that one. The one was suppose to work but it's a total failure
subtle prawn
Bluesky
subtle prawn
mental tapir
How many of the soldiers that fought in the Korean war WW2 veterans compared to newly trained troops?
desert agate
At least for Australia a lot of our early force in theatre was straight out of occupation duties in Japan, and a lot of them were 2nd WW veterans
The army itself had just been massively restructured and shrunk after WW2, so the troops who went into the theatre later were almost certainly a mix of veterans and fresh troops
desert agate
For some, it was the last sun that should set,
For many, their last glimpse of fecund day --
A splendid sun, dipping, reluctant yet,
Into blue water west of Mudros Bay;
And they -- new burnished coin to squander free
In "that red purchase" on Gallipoli.
They guessed not; or, half guessing, did not reck
That for the doomed no other sun should rise
But to reveal the still forms that would fleck
The Anzac Beach; staring with lifeless eyes
Where carrier pigeons, white against the blue,
Bore the dread tale for other skies they knew.
They sang, they laughed; and laughing cursed again
The long monotony of Mudros Bay.
Like hounds released, the eager shouting men
Crowded the decks and whiled the time away
At cards; half fearing what they most desired
Might be denied them yet; and no shot fired.
And, as that sun set in the azure vast,
Who counted one day more or one day less?
How many deemed it was for them the last
To light a world of blood and bitterness?
Yet bitterness for many a heart lay there
When next the sun blazed over Sari Bair.
-CJ Dennis
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runic ermine
Oh, I know that one. The one was suppose to work but it's a total failure
It hasn't even come out yet
subtle prawn
Bluesky
twilit geyser
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burnt scarab
https://fxtwitter.com/australianarmy/status/2047465545570697520?s=46
I know this one, it's the one they held against two division of the People's Liberation Army
I'm talking about the battle of Galipoli Countryballs. I saw the history behind it
desert agate
They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old;
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.
Response:
We will remember them
Lest we forget
In a small town in France, in the Somme, lies a town by the name of Villers-Bretonneux, where 2500 Australians lost their lives
After the war, the children of those who died created a fundraiser to rebuild the towns school
To this day the school and the people remember the sacrifice of Australia, and forever declare ‘Do not forget Australia’
Their names liveth forever more
Photo by me
No photos from Perths Anzac Day March this year because I participated in it as an emergency services volunteer
runic ermine
I'm talking about the battle of Galipoli Countryballs. I saw the history behind ...
I really need to shorten my username
arctic pulsar
WW2 shipgirl Enterprise isn't real, it can't hurt you
WW2 shipgirl Enterprise:
full image is still wild
runic ermine
WW2 shipgirl Enterprise isn't real, it can't hurt you
WW2 shipgirl Enterprise:
Like the Boys ATR training video, very ahead of its time
burnt scarab
At least USS Enterprise turn the tide of the Pacific War. Capturing Japanese control island would be impossible without her
mental tapir
WW2 shipgirl Enterprise isn't real, it can't hurt you
WW2 shipgirl Enterprise:
Poor thing's being touched inappropriately
junior trench
Like the Boys ATR training video, very ahead of its time
The fleet’s destruction seems inevitable, but an old blessing prevents the ships’ incineration. At the fleet’s construction, Cybele—mother of the gods and sister of Saturn—requested her son Jupiter to render the vessels immortal because they were built of wood from trees in her sacred forest. As Turnus and his troops watch the ships burn, the vessels suddenly pull loose of their anchors, submerge, and reappear as sea nymphs.
summary of a scene from the Aeneid
shipgirls/woman are old as hell
twilit geyser
In today’s post about cool but unpopular designs that never materialized
Taiwanese stealth modified from an Oliver Hazard Perry-class
autumn sorrel
In today’s post about cool but unpopular designs that never materialized
Taiwan...
I mean, 48 Cells VLS and a 5'/54 gun at the same time at the bow is certainly ambitious concerning how crammed and front heavy it going to be.
subtle prawn
In today’s post about cool but unpopular designs that never materialized
Taiwan...
So I double checked and compared it to other frigates of a roughly similar displacement, that's asking for a bit much...
subtle prawn
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autumn sorrel
So I double checked and compared it to other frigates of a roughly similar displ...
Honestly, for all the effort to convert a OHP into Burke, might as well build a Burke yourself for a clean sheet design and better power plant allocation
twilit geyser
I mean, 48 Cells VLS and a 5'/54 gun at the same time at the bow is certainly am...
16 cells and sticking with the Mk75 over the Mk45 might be better in all honesty
desert agate
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/rolls-royce-mt30-selected-for-australian-mogami-...
Check out my amazing off the shelf minimum modifications design
Now with even more modifications!
autumn sorrel
Now with even more modifications!
Well, they really want to sweeten future deals with Roll Royce
But all jokes aside, would it change much to the design propulsion system?
runic ermine
shipgirls/woman are old as hell
Yeah cuz it's a view that ships are female because they act as guardian angels to their crew
desert agate
But all jokes aside, would it change much to the design propulsion system?
'Guys it's just a small change, how much can it really be?'
Statements made right before the unit cost increases by 50%
autumn sorrel
'Guys it's just a small change, how much can it really be?'
Statements made righ...
I take that as a complete redesign of the transmission due to new power plant different output.
The question here is how much and how long this change going to cost then
grave ravine
Wait unless I'm reading the article wrong they aren't changing the powerplant
Mogami already uses the MT30
subtle prawn
spring briar
love that thing
subtle prawn
timber linden
Three ships will be built, two will be layed up at most time
desert agate
Mogami already uses the MT30
Does it?
My bad then
desert agate
https://fxtwitter.com/RoyalNavy/status/2048721099559469172
GCS is probably one of the worlds most influential shipbuilding programs at the moment, it's just unfortunate that the UK is involved
gaunt owl
Yeah cuz it's a view that ships are female because they act as guardian angels t...
When you're in the middle of nowhere, away from any piece of dirt for miles and days on end, yeah they are more or less guardian angels
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manic rain
I have discovered a unique connection between two ships
USS Tennessee, Tennessee-class battleship, is BB-43.
The capitol of Tennessee is Nashville.
USS Nashville, Brooklyn-class
is CL-43.
It is the only time a ship named after a state had the same number in its alpha-numerical hull indentifier as a ship named after that state's capitol city.
And I have abaolutely no idea if that information is useful.
...or what to do with it.
runic ermine
When you're in the middle of nowhere, away from any piece of dirt for miles and ...
Exactly
gaunt owl
And I have abaolutely no idea if that information is useful.
its for when you're trying to rizz someone
trust its gonna come in handy
desert agate
Women love when you talk about warship facts to them
Metal things are an aphrodisiac and absolutely wont make her dryer than the Simpson Desert
subtle prawn
maiden citrus
Women love when you talk about warship facts to them
true
and this one's even about a standard, top quality material
subtle prawn
Bluesky
restive tusk
im going to see lexington this saturday in corpus for my birthday i will take a ton of pics where i can and if i wanted to share some of her here do i post them here or somewhere else?
spiral cedar
Here is fine
desert agate
autumn sorrel
https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/a-concern-for-australia-britain-looks-unseriou...
So sum it up, UK lack both the funds and the will to shore up their industry, any program with them is guarantee to be delay?
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twilit geyser
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eternal veldt
https://fixupx.com/bbg17_jdssuruga/status/2049097360660435177/en
Sorry, all broke ™
And Vanguard doesn't deserve a spot next to Victory ™
subtle prawn
remote monolith
That's fast
subtle prawn
autumn sorrel
https://fxtwitter.com/1stCavalryDiv/status/2049921499700646215
They just reinvent Bradley again
lapis eagle
Us navy FFX
scenic elbow
found in local antique shop, my job application program has been accelerated just for this
burnt scarab
https://fixupx.com/bbg17_jdssuruga/status/2049097360660435177/en
It really is, maybe becoming a hotel would be better. Future generation wont even know King Geroge V class really even existed
burnt scarab
Us navy FFX
The design almost look like our frigades
lapis eagle
The design almost look like our frigades
type26?
burnt scarab
Type 26 ? What's that ?
lapis eagle
Britsh Frigate
pulsar viper
hey, could I get some help with something? Im making stats and abilities n such for a shipgirl OC of mine, though im trying to reference as much historical stuff as i can to help make decisions
im just trying to figure out how to translate it is the thing or what historical aspects to pull from
desert agate
The photo of the day my phone chose today today is a Dutch ship, the HNLMS Abraham Crijnssen, which famously escaped the fall of the Dutch East Indes by disguising itself as an island to avoid detection by Japanese aircraft, fleeing to Fremantle where she would briefly commission into the Royal Australian Navy, with Australian commanders and Dutch sailors, with some considerable controversy as to which nations monarch would be displayed aboard the ship (compromise would eventually be found)
She is the only ship to have served in the Royal Australian Navy on permanent display in a foreign country
pulsar viper
huh, she's cute. what kind of ship is she?
pulsar viper
but yeah, could i get some more historically based feedback on some ideas i had?
mostly around the I-14 submarine and its planes
chilly flower
hey, could I get some help with something? Im making stats and abilities n such ...
Go for it, when able I can provide some input and information from the book I-400. Japan's Secret Aircraft-Carrying Strike Submarine Objective: Panama Canal by Gary Nila, Henry Sakaida, and Koji Takaki
pulsar viper
ooo nice
but yeah, ive figured out stats n stuff, but her skills are where more her history can be shown
but...well, ive been struggling with how to organize all the different ideas
stuff like the Aichi seiran's different carrying loads, the effects of Opperation Hikari and what that could do...
scenic elbow
found in local antique shop, my job application program has been accelerated jus...
after some searching, and far as i can tell this painting is indeed from colonel Charles Ross Greening, the dude was a pilot for one of the b-25s and his memoir is called "Not As Briefed", however i couldnt find this particular work anywhere i looked which makes me think that even if unlikely that this is an original peice
dont know whose signatures those are but if i had to guess theyre probably other participants of the raid, i cant read signatures for shit and im not going to go look through each individual persons one to see if they match so i could be wrong there but it would be cool
this is all speculation mind you as i am a terrible researcher even if for things very much in my interest such as this, this could just be a recreation of one of his works but even then i still find it quite cool
chilly flower
but yeah, ive figured out stats n stuff, but her skills are where more her histo...
If you mean skills as in the game mechanic, one could potentially be a variant of I-13's skill, where it has a moderate delay before activation (her delivery trip carrying the Nakajima C6N Saiun reconnaissance aircraft to Truk Atoll was supposed to be together with I-13, but I-13 wound up going alone on July 11th because I-14 was suffering from severe issues with her propellers and needed repairs that lasted until July 17th, a day after I-13 was sunk en-route- you can also translate this into her being a little slower in general perhaps) but launches two Saiuns for two to three times the damage bonus that I-13's skill normally does (because I-14 made the trip successfully)
Another skill that could be more unique could be allowing her Seiran airstrike to temporarily stop a target that has been hit from moving for a few seconds or slow them down considerably (for how long exactly is up to you), as a nod to the (cancelled) plan to hit the Panama Canal locks (that would have severely impeded warship and merchant ship flow from the US east coast to the Pacific, or at the very least severely slowed it down by forcing them around the tip of South America)
You could also give her some kind of skill that great improves evasion and oxygen time while submerged, as during her delivery trip to Truk she managed to remain underwater for an astonishing 44 hours during a sustained depth-charging by US DDs hunting her, without being damaged
(Additionally, if you care to include such things on the equipment list and haven't done so already, the Type AM and I-400 class were equipped with a Snorkel of German origin; a somewhat basic air search radar set (Mark 3 Mod 1) and surface search radar set (Mark 2 Mod 2) and two rudimentary passive radar detectors (E27 system), intended to pick up radar waves from Allied ships and aircraft, though neither of these three were as advanced as their Allied equivalents; and early forms of Anechoic coatings meant to absorb/diffuse sonar impulses and dampen their own machinery noises, though I have yet to find documentation on how effective it was in practice. If you wish to read into more detail on these, I could provide both the online copy of the book I mentioned, as well as a document that covers the US Navy's evaluation and brief operation of these boats post-war, the latter is freely available online so I'll toss it here outright)
pulsar viper
<:TakThink:691784771377954896> If you mean skills as in the game mechanic, one c...
oooo, i love all those ideas! Though i was thinking maybe an upgrade to her opperation hikari ability to maybe make it increase damage delt to carriers and/or increasing fleet accuracy, as a refference to the 2nd part of the plan to attack the US carriers?
and i was thinking of potential ways of having a nod to the different loadouts an Aichi Seiran could have, like they had some variety
chilly flower
That could work to make it a bit more distinctive from I-13's (and would make the benefits less broad than I-13's as a sort of balancing thing), and your options for the M6A's payloads would largely be a 250kg bomb, or 500kg bomb, or (either in very short distance flights or with pontoons (floats) removed) 800 kg bomb or Type 91 torpedo
pulsar viper
well, i was thinking like its an augment-upgraded version
pulsar viper
That could work to make it a bit more distinctive from I-13's (and would make th...
uuhhh no, not a 500KG bomb from my knowledge
and the planes could hold 2x250 kg bombs
and the 850kg bomb was standard on it no?
chilly flower
For Hikari they were also intending to paint the Seirans silver/bare metal with US insignia, meant to cause confusion from misidentification (this is however a warcrime), though this likely would not do much good given that they'd be flying at night (and US nightfighters like the F6F-5N had radar capable of picking up signals from IFF equipment equipped on Allied aircraft, so if detected it likely wouldn't matter)- if you really wanted to you could translate this into them being a little more resistant to AA fire initially (via not being shot at) regardless of whether it would've worked inr eality
pulsar viper
For Hikari they were also intending to paint the Seirans silver/bare metal with ...
that was only I-400 and I-401
for the first wave
I-13 and I-14 were intended to join in the 2nd wave
chilly flower
uuhhh no, not a 500KG bomb from my knowledge
They only had one belly pylon for fitting ordnance, so they couldn't handle more than one bomb, and 250, 500, and 800 were all the standard weights
pulsar viper
also, the sonar-resistant coating was also only on the I-400's
chilly flower
for the first wave
Fair
pulsar viper
They only had one belly pylon for fitting ordnance, so they couldn't handle more...
really? you sure about that?
everything ive read says that they could hold 2x250's
chilly flower
also, the sonar-resistant coating was also only on the I-400's
Are you certain? I recall reading that they got samples of the coating from I-14
pulsar viper
Are you certain? I recall reading that they got samples of the coating from I-14
I have never found any sources for information like that
and never, EVER trust google AI or any AI's
pulsar viper
They only had one belly pylon for fitting ordnance, so they couldn't handle more...
though now that you say that...with all the sources ive read for 2x bombs, i realize i dont know how they carried that load
chilly flower
everything ive read says that they could hold 2x250's
Theoretically they may have had the carrying capacity for 2x250kgs, but they didn't have a second pylon so they couldn't fit two in practice
(diagrams from the I-400 book that was mentioned first)
chilly flower
I have never found any sources for information like that
#history message
I mean from the document I included here
pulsar viper
also...cant you fit 2 bombs in one pylon?
chilly flower
It's not large enough no
You'd need four attachment points on the pylon per bomb anyways
pulsar viper
i guess i just assumed you could bundle 2 bombs together in 1 pylon
but that sounds like more an american thing to do
then idk where this 2x250kg bomb came from. according to wikipedia, the sources are "Japanese Aircraft of the Pacific War" and "Aichi M6A1 Seiran"
anyone have these sources to double check?
im genuinely curious where these numbers came from
chilly flower
Did find the former book (Francillon), lists that figure and the strange 850kg figure (there were no 850kg bombs in the Japanese Navy's inventory, only 800kg), but there's no explanation on loading method at all for 2x250kg, so I'd chalk it up to just being inaccurate
and source for the 850kg bomb remark
pulsar viper
and source for the 850kg bomb remark
so the 850kg bomb is also inaccutate?
pulsar viper
thing is those numbers are also on other sites
but maybe they were using the same sources
chilly flower
I would guess so
pulsar viper
tho i guess the most reliable source i have is this, which does say 800kg and single 250kg https://airandspace.si.edu/collection-objects/aichi-m6a1-seiran-clear-sky-storm/nasm_A19630308000
hard to get more reliable than the people who own one
chilly flower
Aye
pulsar viper
the last one...i wanna see it one day
but yeah, i guess i could have her do 2 normal 800kg air strikes and 1 special torpedo air strike using torpedo-sakuras?
chilly flower
That could work yeah
pulsar viper
2 from her normal use and 1 as a part of her all out assault like I-404 has
but i do wanna know the source for the coating thing
im looking through it after downloading and im having trouble finding it
terse mesa
pulsar viper
o7
desert agate
X
subtle prawn
junior trench
timber linden
https://www.navylookout.com/another-warship-quietly-withdrawn-royal-navy-now-dow...
Rule Britannia
desert agate
pulsar viper
but i do wanna know the source for the coating thing
can anyone help me find this? theyre claiming the I-14 had the sonar-resisted coating like the I-400's, but i havent seen any other sources for that and im trying to find it in the provided source, but i cant see it there either
cant really use the find feature here
pulsar viper
And I’m still so confused about the bombs and pylon thing. Like was there ever any ways to put multiple bombs in one pylon?
junior trench
yes
you can attach a rack with multiple sets of shackles to a pylon
not a 250kg example, but the sextuple rack for 60kg bombs is a pretty well known example
though it's more common to see them for smaller ordnance, like US frag and parafrag bombs
there's larger adapters as well though
Mk 3 Mod 0 above can take bombs from 90 to 260 pounds
pulsar viper
but was this something done in japan during wwii?
and could it even be done for naval planes?
pulsar viper
ah
oh wait that is japanese
can something like that be put on any suitably sized bomber?
junior trench
the example with the 60kg bombs is on a B5N
pulsar viper
fair nuff. though i found something a bit bogus...the idea that the seiran could fit 4 250 kg bombs
this post has all its sources listed, but idk if this is cope or not. id never trust WT as a source, but the sources they have look legit https://forum.warthunder.com/t/aichi-m6a1-seiran/107289
also found a close up
im just genuinely not sure what to see as credible and what not
junior trench
bottom image only mentions a single 250 or 800 kg
pulsar viper
Did find the former book (Francillon), lists that figure and the strange 850kg f...
tho there's also data like this
junior trench
but I think the submitter just made the loadouts up on the basis of total weight, based upon the limit sized to fit a torpedo
that being said
I can vaguely recall there being a double 250kg adapter where the bombs are arranged nose to tail, each one offset to either side of the centerline, where the rack is fixed to the pylon
junior trench
ok
nvm
I see what's going on with the twin 250s
bombs up to 250kg on IJN planes can be suspended by a single shackle
larger bombs need to use the same pair of shackles that a torpedo uses
so on a torpedo capable pylon you can hook up one 250kg bomb each to the front and back in an offset manner
pulsar viper
huh, really?
junior trench
though I may be misreading it
one moment
ok nvm
scratch that
disregard prior
pulsar viper
ok
like, originallyy this was just for something i was working on but now its a rabbit hole i want a solid answer to for my own sake
how can there be this much conflicting info on a plane that we have in near perfect condition and even did testing on
like the confusion between 1 and 2 bombs can be understandable, but 4 250's?? where do you even fit those!
how do i know what sources to trust?
pulsar viper
im just so lost...
like, thank yall so much for finding all this, but i guess what would yall trust more?
pulsar viper
maybe i need to look at how other JP bomber planes carried multiple bombs
runic ermine
What am I even looking at
sullen thicket
What am I even looking at
Ooh, I actually know about this. The seiran was a floatplane carried by a submarine intended to be used to do attacks behind enemy lines in the night time. Yes, the japanese actually had submarines that could launch aircraft near the end of the war, but probably not like you're thinking. They had to assemble it IKEA style in the dead of night with no lights while surfaced, and could only carry a few. The war ended just as the submarines were preparing to strike their first target. Both the Seiran and at least one of the submarines that carried them are in azur lane.
If I remember correctly it was being tested with a single large bomb, and although they'd intended it to use torpedoes they didn't have the time to train the pilots.
pulsar viper
yeah
was going down a rabbit hole of what its carrying capacity and load capabilities really were
because so many sources giving different numbers of bombs
and so many saying it could carry 2 bombs at once...but HOW?????
runic ermine
Ooh, I actually know about this. The seiran was a floatplane carried by a submar...
Neat
sullen thicket
and so many saying it could carry 2 bombs at once...but ***HOW?????***
I don't know about that, but I doubt anyone really knows what its functional capabilities would have actually been. This is a weapon that was developed right as the war was ending. They rushed it into production - both the submarines and plane didn't have enough time in the cooker, if you know what I mean. Like I said, they'd intended the plane to carry torpedoes as well, but didn't have time to train the pilots - and in fact, almost had the pilots they'd trained revolt. See, it'd be much, much faster to IKEA build the planes to be launched without the floats at night and kamikaze the planes. This also took care of the problem of the planes having to return at night without landmarks to find a submerged sub.
Another problem was the sub was not really any good at being a sub. It was painfully slow submerged and constantly turned because of the hatch they used to store the planes being offset the centerline. So the pilot of the sub would have to constantly apply rudder to stay on a given course.
Theoretical capabilities aside, we do know what they'd set the thing up to carry on the mission they were about to take on - one large bomb. Wikipedia claims it was ~850kg.
Also note in the picture you were replying to is showing the Seirans folding wings and tail along with the hatch on the submarine it would be stored in. To be clear, the crew would have to surface, open the hatch, remove the plane, unfold the wings, attach gear and the floats, have the crew board, then use compressed air to launch it. This whole process took about half an hour per plane, 15 minutes of which could be saved by not attaching the floats...
And of course every second the sub was on the surface for this whole process it might be spotted. Which is why they had to do the assembly process in the pitch of night with no lights.
The recovery process would involve the pilot finding where he'd launched from at night, land and wait for the submarine to surface. Then they'd have to recover the plane using a crane, and disassemble it, taking another half an hour to store it.
subtle prawn
burnt scarab
My favorite WWII truck is CCKW
subtle prawn
twilit geyser
Submarine mothership aircraft carrier
Submarines can dock inside the carrier using hatches
desert agate
I love making my aircraft carriers more vulnerable and less capable
pulsar viper
Also note in the picture you were replying to is showing the Seirans folding win...
oh believe me, i am fully aware of the whole pricess for launching and recovering the seiran. the I-400's and AM's are my favorite WWII ships
its why i went down the rabbit hole of wanting to learn this inconsistancy in the first place
like i have a custom made shipgirl based on the I-14
and the planes were recovered with one surviving in the aerospace museum, so its not like we dont have reference material
sullen thicket
Nice!
I have to admit with quite a few things in azur lane my initial reaction to stuff with a historical basis was essentially: Wat.
mental tapir
Just modify a Boeing 777 design into a bomber smh how hard can it be /j
twilit geyser
The B-52 lineage will serve well into the 22nd century trust
desert agate
exotic timber
/kick 759950808451907625 Compromised account
nova iceBOT
smile6915#0 got kicked. Reason: Compromised account
subtle prawn
subtle prawn
subtle prawn
Bluesky
zealous vine
At what specific point would crews declare the ship scuttled just from sheer structural dmg (not flooding etc)
junior trench
depends
pulsar viper
<:TakThink:691784771377954896> If you mean skills as in the game mechanic, one c...
ive still been thinking about this stuff, and these are all great ideas! i guess im just kinda stuck on what things to implement/narrow down to
despite having such a short service history, it was quite eventful compared to all the other sub carriers
and i wanna do her justice
like for the oxygen thing, i could just give her the general "Extra oxygen" or "open ocean support" abilities, but her sister already has extra 02, so she'd just be a carbon copy
i do wanna reference her history and capabilities somehow
her getting the same saiun as I-13 feels like a given, seeing as she was the one who actually completed the mission. plus, it means when her and I-13 are paired together, it means both the two saiuns delivered by I-14 would be in the air. maybe even upgrade it to have a synergy bonus
since i-14 historically delivered 2 saiuns
and i do wanna reference her amazing evasion and survival against the sub hunters somehow
I could also try to refference opperation Arashi, the follow up mission for opperation hikari
subtle prawn
pulsar viper
or...if i wanna be evil, i could also reference "cherry blossoms at night", the proposed biological warfare attack on the US...tho idk if that was only proposed for the I-400's or not
...maybe ill save that for a META version
unborn wyvern
POV you are Gunzou traveling to Dubya's US of A after they find out about Operation Cherry blossoms at night
desert agate
subtle prawn
Bluesky
The nuclear-powered Battleship is designed to provide the Fleet with a significant increase in combat power by longer endurance, higher speed, and accommodating advanced weapon systems required for modern warfare. Adding capability at the highest end of the high-low mix, the Battleship’s primary role is to deliver high-volume, long-range offensive fires and serve as a robust, survivable forward command and control platform, it is not a destroyer replacement.
mental tapir
Huge news for people wishing for the deterioration and obsolescence of the USN
autumn sorrel
> The nuclear-powered Battleship is designed to provide the Fleet with a signifi...
Translation: we don't know what the fuck the big guy want so we just throw in words so he does not notice that we are working on DDG(X) instead
autumn sorrel
https://bsky.app/profile/usni.org/post/3mlm5kjjqk22d
They projected that only 2 FF(X) will be in service till 2036
10 BBG(X) by 2056, that's... ambitious
The Fiscal Year 2027 30-year shipbuilding plan, seeking to explain the need for the battleship, said pursuing the DDG(X) program would have forced the Navy to make sacrifices on capability.
“Even the planned DDG(X) program made undesirable capability and weapon system compromises,” reads the 30-year proposal. “Our fleet deserves and our national security requires the most comprehensive capability a surface combatant can provide, not just what we can make do with tradeoffs.”
grave ravine
They projected that only 2 FF(X) will be in service till 2036
Basically everything about this plan is nuts
Batshit insane
Obviously the nuke BBGs are literal nonsense
But they want to take delivery of five FFG(X)s in 2036 and three every year after that
Three a year means nine under construction at once
Where tf do they plan on building these
autumn sorrel
Three a year means nine under construction at once
The heck where they going to get the slipway for those?
grave ravine
Also the attack sub build rate is ludicrously optimistic
4 boats in 2038 and 5 in 2039
autumn sorrel
4 boats in 2038 and 5 in 2039
I mean, if they willing to shell out money now and focus all on Navy and expanding the shipyard then sure
But don't forget Golden Dome
That thing will most likely take up the budget for the next 2 yrs
grave ravine
I mean, if they willing to shell out money now and focus all on Navy and expandi...
Nah it's that the ordering plan is two a year, but since we can't actually build subs at that rate they just want to catch up on a bunch at once
autumn sorrel
So basically, to make this a reality, they need to double the current capacity, retool the Legend slipway and that might still not be enough.
grave ravine
So basically, to make this a reality, they need to double the current capacity, ...
The current legend build rate is about one every two years
Because they only have a single slip doing them
autumn sorrel
10 yrs on delivery for BBG?
grave ravine
Three FF(X)s a year is six times the build rate
So yeah five FF(X) slips need to materialize out of thin air
At least
autumn sorrel
The current legend build rate is about one every two years
Don't forget, they need to build Flight II Legend to test out VLS and radar. It mean the rate would be even slower
autumn sorrel
But they want to take delivery of five FFG(X)s in 2036 and three every year afte...
If I am reading this right then they plan to deliver Legend in 29 and 30, with a test flight in 30, with another test in 33. I would say it is logical way to do thing, if you are at peace and there are more than 1 slipway.
grave ravine
there are not more slipways though
Ingalls already has like a dozen other things they are working on
They are already building the DDGs, LPDs, LHAs etc etc
autumn sorrel
They are already building the DDGs, LPDs, LHAs etc etc
Oh yeah, they build those as well
autumn sorrel
So yeah five FF(X) slips need to materialize out of thin air
It will be so funny if USN for the first time in their history have to contract build ship from foreign shipbuilder
grave ravine
It will be so funny if USN for the first time in their history have to contract ...
ok just to get a sense of how ludicrous this is, do you know how many surface combatants are currently under construction in South Korea right now
5
like today we already have almost twice as many Burkes under construction, not to mention everything else
two Sejongs and three Chungnams
autumn sorrel
I see, so the problem cannot be solve externally
autumn sorrel
And Interally, it is fucked
grave ravine
yep
autumn sorrel
Can they not scale back everything and admit that it is unrealistic? Oh, who am I kidding, they will double down and order more on paper
autumn sorrel
yep
Hypothetically, who would you choose to make FF(X) if Ingall are unavailable? Like who can take up the job?
grave ravine
Hypothetically, who would you choose to make FF(X) if Ingall are unavailable? Li...
Once FMM finishes with the MMSCs and Connies they would be the obvious go to, since you know they were supposed to be building Connies, except AFAIK they are being earmarked for LSMs and probably also some of the USVs
Austal is busy with right now with the coast guard cutters and the bethesdas and such
autumn sorrel
Once FMM finishes with the MMSCs and Connies they would be the obvious go to, si...
Hmm, would they still have capacity even with LSMs orders?
They have 2 slipway free up once Con is done.
remote monolith
The pope’s influence in the Empire declined sharply, and efforts to influence a more zealous Catholic line by delaying recognition of Ferdinand III’s accession in 1637 failed to inconvenience the emperor. From 1641 publication of papal decrees in the Habsburgs’ own lands required the emperor’s permission, and a year later demands for papal book censorship were rejected on the grounds that this was a sovereign right of all monarchs. The papal reform of holy days was ignored, because this interfered with events important to the political calendar. More momentously, the pope’s protest when the Peace of Westphalia ended the Thirty Years War in 1648 was already preempted by a clause asserting the treaty’s validity regardless of what the pontiff thought.1
-Heart of Europe: A History of the Holy Roman Empire by Peter H. Wilson
That it never shall be alledg'd, allow'd, or admitted, that any Canonical or Civil Law, any general or particular Decrees of Councils, any Privileges, any Indulgences, any Edicts, any Commissions, Inhibitions, Mandates, Decrees, Rescripts, Suspensions of Law, Judgments pronounc'd at any time, Adjudications, Capitulations of the Emperor, and other Rules and Exceptions of Religious Orders, past or future Protestations, Contradictions, Appeals, Investitures, Transactions, Oaths, Renunciations, Contracts, and much less the Edict of 1629. or the Transaction of Prague, with its Appendixes, or the Concordates with the Popes, or the Interims of the Year 1548. or any other politick Statutes, or Ecclesiastical Decrees, Dispensations, Absolutions, or any other Exceptions, under what pretence or colour they can be invented; shall take place against this Convention, or any of its Clauses and Articles neither shall any inhibitory or other Processes or Commissions be ever allow'd to the Plaintiff or Defendant.
A clause of the Westphalian Peace treaty
The Holy See was very displeased at the settlement, with Pope Innocent X calling it "null, void, invalid, iniquitous, unjust, damnable, reprobate, inane, empty of meaning and effect for all time" in the papal brief Zelo Domus Dei.
Live Papal Reaction
I'm crying at how the negotiationg powers specifically included a clause that the Pope can't do anything about the treaty results regardless of any means he employs
and the other things contained in the said Instruments, which in any way hinder or bring even the slightest prejudice to the Catholic Religion, Divine Worship, the Salvation of Souls, the same Apostolic Roman See and the inferior Churches, and the Ecclesiastical Order and State, and to their Persons, Members, Things, Goods, Jurisdictions, Authorities, Immunities, Liberties, Privileges, Prerogatives and Rights whatsoever, or inflict or have inflicted, or harm others, or have harmed, in any way whatsoever, could be said, understood, claimed, or deemed, with all that is legally followed, and whenever to be followed by the Law itself, are null, void, invalid, unjust, unjust, condemned, reprobated, empty, and completely void of force and effect, and no one is bound to observe them or any of them, even if they have sworn an oath, nor from them We decree
Zelo Domus Dei
you can tell the Pope was VERY displeased of the result
autumn sorrel
you can tell the Pope was VERY displeased of the result
I find it funny that the pope, someone who suffer through countless political shenanigans behind the scene in the Church before reaching the highest office, think he can boss around Emperor of HRE, who the top dog of one of the worst mismatched mess of a conglomerate of nations where political intrigues is daily routine.
Like yeah, you are representative of him on Earth and all but I have lawyers and more soldiers than you, what are you going to do anything about it?
remote monolith
I find it funny that the pope, someone who suffer through countless political sh...
that's because by scripture and by the way the HRE was set up, technically he did have a leverage over wordly temporal Catholic powers
Charlemagne was crowned by the Pope and implicitly derived his temporal position from the Pope's right as the Godly emissary
but this interpretation then clashed with the reality that the Empire is humongous and rich, and the Pope a lot less so, which caused shenanigans like the Investiture controversy
autumn sorrel
Charlemagne was crowned by the Pope and implicitly derived his temporal position...
It still funny bc Charlemagne quite literally make a servant out of the Church and they have no power whatsoever over him and his successor
remote monolith
It still funny bc Charlemagne quite literally make a servant out of the Church a...
or does he?
remember the walk of Canossa
the Pope actually did have the power to fuck over the Emperor massively by excommunications and decreeing that any oaths sworn to the Emperor by his nobles can be broken without issue
Henry IV learned about that the hard way
consequently an HRE emperor also can't keep Italy constantly under control because if he stayed beyond the Alps long it open up opportunities to mess up his Germanic holdings
autumn sorrel
remember the walk of Canossa
I supposed it depends on the Emperor in question, strong ruler can disregard the Church or out manouver them but weak and unpopular one are vulnerable to the Pope's threats
remote monolith
I supposed it depends on the Emperor in question, strong ruler can disregard the...
no, even competent rules like Barbarossa can't simply shake the Pope off
you have to remember how important religion was then
even if the Pope was militarily weak his bulls and decrees could have massive ramifications that weakens the whole position of the HRE's claim as THE only Empire allowed in Christendom
autumn sorrel
you have to remember how important religion was then
Oh yeah, I remember a theory that my friend and I come up with concerning the Lutheran Reformation is that the HRE Emperor quietly pushing it to create a leverage against the Pope.
remote monolith
which was exactly what happened and caused its structure to gradually change
desert agate
X
remote monolith
Oh yeah, I remember a theory that my friend and I come up with concerning the Lu...
no I don't think so because Charles V was a staunch Catholic and fully intended to imprison Luther after Worms, he only escaped because an Elector (afaik the Palatinate) was sympathetic to his cause and hid Luther
the Reformation was contrary to Imperial interests since it's a massive piety issue and Protestantism meant the Emperor lost an important religious hook on their subjects
ah it was Saxony's elector
autumn sorrel
no I don't think so because Charles V was a staunch Catholic and fully intended ...
Oh yeah, Charles, I was thinking of his brother, Ferdinand
remote monolith
Ferdy's Augsburg peace sadly led to a lot of issues down the line
chiefly that he only took account for Lutherans and not the other bajillion strains like Calvinists
pallid spindle
Leipzig deserves some spotlight. So I want to highlight how she not only managed to partake in Operation Hannibal, but also survived the war, despite her crippled condition after the collision with Prinz Eugen. In short, after the collision, Leipzig was only repaired enough to stay afloat and to crawl around at under 10 knots. Her normal top speed was 32 knots. Leipzig still managed to partake in the defence from the soviets by providing fire support to German forces near Gotenhafen before the rescue and during the rescue she was part of the final, massive naval evacuation of approximately 2 million German soldiers and civilians from East Prussia and the Pomeranian coast, which began in late January 1945 and arrived in Denmark by April 29th, which was 9 days after the main fleet, having fought off and survived multiple air and submarine attacks on her way.
In Denmark, though away from the main fleet, she surrendered and survived the war and was later used as a barracks ship in Denmark before being scuttled in July 1946.
subtle prawn
Bluesky
desert agate
AUKUS doubters are officially on watch
subtle prawn
grave ravine
https://bsky.app/profile/usni.org/post/3mlorofnjyc2w
TBH that seems really optimistic, and I just don't expect them to meet that target
desert agate
I disagree
AUKUS investment has provided the windfall that US submarine builders desperately needed
Without AUKUS, there would be no hope but the billions currently flowing into US yards to make sure the RAN gets its Virginias means that, at least in the short term we’re seeing a huge surge in capacity
Whether that will continue after the AUKUS investment money dries up remains to be seen however
echo onyx
what have i discovered
scenic elbow
what have i discovered
i can do you one better
echo onyx
looks normal by comparisson
autumn sorrel
what have i discovered
You just discovered mental ilness
echo onyx
crazy french plane
grave ravine
I disagree
AUKUS investment has provided the windfall that US submarine builders...
While AUKUS spending helps, it just can't address the worker shortage American yards are facing right now, which is being exacerbated by the fact that we are trying to surge construction across the board. Unless we can really grow the labor pool, I just don't see it happening anytime soon.
twilit geyser
https://breakingdefense.com/2026/05/trump-class-battleship-will-get-same-nuclear...
B1B reactors. If this is ever taken seriously, it will negatively affect carrier procurement for this class for the next 50 or so years.
God I hate battleships now 
subtle prawn
The initial announcement was dumb, making them nuclear-powered as well was one of the few things that would make it stupider than it already was
junior trench
It will also slow them down for so long they can get canceled before any steel is laid down
desert agate
The USN has 11 carriers in a 15 carrier world
The solution?
Delay carrier procurement
timber linden
I am sure europe can pull its weight and help out......
desert agate
Europe does pull its weight and specialises in capabilities and technologies that the US does not need to
I'm sure that if the US made diplomatic overtures to Europe instead of insulting and threatening them the Europeans would be more inclined to help the Americans in countering China
mental tapir
Huge news for people wishing for the deterioration and obsolescence of the USN
^
Goes hand in hand with the underfunding of F/A-XX
subtle prawn
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scenic elbow
found in local antique shop, my job application program has been accelerated jus...
now actually in my possession, i learned/realized that it wasnt an actual peice but just a print of one i am still glad i found and acquired, also didnt see cause i am blind/stupid that they transcribed the signatures on the back, anyways i am satisfied greatly now
runic ermine
How come so many communist and fascist parties sprang up all over the world around the same time after WW1?
For example in Canada, Australia, Europe, America, etc
Even in Africa
Like I understand why it happened in Germany and Italy but why did it also happen almost everywhere else?
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runic ermine
https://www.twz.com/sea/nuclear-powered-trump-class-battleships-will-reverse-one...
Trump class!
mental tapir
sullen canyon
subtle prawn
desert agate
Australia is quickly becoming a munitions producing powerhouse
Other powers would be well inclined to follow our lead in this area
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mental tapir
Finally
twilit geyser
I am sure europe can pull its weight and help out......
France with PANG maybe, the QEs are too limited as opposed to their counterparts
lapis eagle
https://theaviationist.com/2026/05/15/aim-260-jatm-on-super-hornet/
Finally
desert agate
remote monolith
if anyone is curious about what medium South Asians and Southeast Asians used for their record keeping, here is an example
palm leaf manuscripts, named Lontar
in particular this one, manuscript 31 L335, contains the epic of Ramayana
subtle prawn
autumn sorrel
if anyone is curious about what medium South Asians and Southeast Asians used fo...
Imagine have to inscribe all of that, the scribe better be pay handsomely
gaunt owl
which ship is she referring?
junior trench
who's saying the line
oh it's weirdass made up name
one moment
sister ship to SS Scharnhorst, which was coverted into an aircraft carrier
by the IJN
subtle prawn
dawn nebula
Does anyone know what is going on with those H-class battleships? Because from what I understand, the Berlichingen won’t be fitted with a gun larger than 406mm, so we already have three ships that Manjuu (I have absolutely no idea why) is classifying as H-39 (although, as I already mentioned here earlier, the Friedrich should be H-41). I thought Gotz would be H-42 / H-43 and we’d get a 480mm (!) gun, but here we are with more of the same and a huge disappointment (also with design).
So, to be honest, I’m already getting lost in all this. I saw that there’s supposed to be some rainbow-coloured equipment, but I don’t know what it’s for. For that U-2501? A 127mm gun? Rather not. So, for some destroyer? But there is no any UR.
This topic is good for both #history and #al-lore, so I put it in both categories.
spring briar
Does anyone know what is going on with those H-class battleships? Because from w...
Ulrich Von Hutten and Gotz Von Berlichingen are the two H-39's
these two names were picked by Hitler for them
Friedrich Der Große is wargaming (wows) trying to combine H-41 with H-39
the new twin 127m UR gun is an IJN destroyer gun for whatever reason
keep in mind any design after H-41 wasn't ever looked at seriously
gloomy rune
Ulrich Von Hutten and Gotz Von Berlichingen are the two H-39's
these two names ...
Its a Shimakaze gun. Tbh it makes me think it's a teaser for a PR9 ship (Hayate)
Hayate which is a Shimakaze with less torps and faster guns
remote monolith
it's AL, they do whatever the fuck they want now
dawn nebula
Ulrich Von Hutten and Gotz Von Berlichingen are the two H-39's
these two names ...
On #al-lore replies were first to appear, so I’m just pasting my own, rather lengthy, attempt to make sense of this whole mess. Everything is here, so I’ll just add a few words to the comment that "after H-41, nothing was taken seriously". Well, such are the "charms" of the German Reich and Hitler himself. Nevertheless, preliminary specifications for these ships were provided, and Hitler himself, being a particularly talkative man, may well have casually mentioned a name for one of these ships at some point. That is precisely what I am writing about above.
gaunt owl
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2026/05/indonesia-prepares-for-carrier-oper...
huge leap ahead for the TNI AL
eternal veldt
Its a Shimakaze gun. Tbh it makes me think it's a teaser for a PR9 ship (Hayate)
No, it's not Shimakaze's gun. It's a new dual purpose mount designed by the Japanese navy for future destroyers, and should be designated as the Type 1.
Only the land-based variants are designated as Type 5, and WG's consequence on using incorrect designations is now rearing its ugly head.
dawn nebula
Its a Shimakaze gun. Tbh it makes me think it's a teaser for a PR9 ship (Hayate)
So are you all, from both channels, trying to tell me that for the GERMAN event, instead of adding, say, unique equipment for the U-2501, they’re adding… a gun for the Shimikaze (a bit of a delay of a few years, 👏), which already exists in the game, so… there’s no need for it?
Well... all right. If that’s what they want, so be it. I just wonder who’s going to reimburse me for the time and resources I’ve put into creating this gun:
This UR is so rubbish without the rainbow modules that, having finally had to do something about it, I decided to ignore the historical golden gun (which, by the way, costs almost as much to make as that rainbow 100 mm xD) and went down the "Super Shimikaze" route. Now the developers are kindly offering me, out of the blue, an even more "golden" original. And for free, because what’s the big deal about making it during an event? It’s all well and good, but the resources are gone. And they could have gone towards MORE IMPORTART modules (I've got a whole queue of them, because getting this all rainbow things is a very slow process)… including those needed for upgrades -.- To sum up:
eternal veldt
The Type 1 mount is for the tech tree stuff, irrelevant to the German event.
eternal veldt
As for the names Ulrich von Hutten and Götz von Berlichingen, depending on the time you asked, is remarkably unlikely to be used on the H-class battleships after the disaster that is the Battle of the Barents Sea.
I find it truly remarkable that men like Ulrich von Hutten and Gottfried von Berlichingen were so forward-thinking and progressive in their ideas. It's a shame that in their struggle they lacked a strong and defined doctrine that would have given them the necessary moral drive and steadfastness in their principles.
Nevertheless, their thoroughly German worldview entitles them to be worthy of the respect of the German people. Therefore, I suggest that battleships or other large warships currently under construction should be named in their honor.
On the other hand, you can name as many ships as you like in honor of men like Berlichingen; his popularity among the people is such that even if any number of ships bearing his name are successfully sunk, the christening of a new ship bearing the same name will always be met with applause.
4th July, 1942.
I once planned to build the most powerful battleship squadron in the world and intended to name two of them Hutten and Berlichingen. Now I'm very glad I abandoned that idea.If we had such a squadron, we would have a moral obligation to use it. What practical use would it have today? It would be destined to play the role of "the last of the knights."
Weapons development is so rapid these days that the "infantry of the seas" is now of paramount importance. Besides submarines, our greatest need is for smaller ships: powerful corvettes, destroyers, and the like—these are the classes that do the bulk of the fighting.
Today, the Japanese possess the most powerful battleship fleet in the world, but they find it very difficult to use it effectively. For them, the greatest danger comes from the air. Remember the Bismarck.
19th June, 1943.
dawn nebula
No, it's not Shimakaze's gun. It's a new dual purpose mount designed by the Japa...
If that’s actually the case, it doesn’t really change much. At least not for me. Because I’m unlikely to be interested in those Japanese destroyers, and the rainbow 127 mm is better than the 100 mm anyway. Above all, though, this is yet another odd move on Manjuu’s part. Why add modules "without ships" in advance? When the Japanese event comes around, you’ll add them then. That rainbow 100 mm gun has also been in the game for some time and there’s no "historical" ship for it.
If there’s a German event with two URs, add something for them. If there’s a Japanese one, add something Japanese. Not the other way round, or nothing at all. WTF.
P.S. I wrote that previous post about Shimikaze before you pointed out that it was a different matter, so let’s bear that in mind. I’m now referring to what you’re currently writing. Actually, I’ve already finished.
eternal veldt
I mean, if we are examining it in the historical context, then the Type 98 is used on the Akizukis.
Rarities have always been subjective and designed for the game with arbitrary conditions.
gloomy rune
So are you all, from both channels, trying to tell me that for the GERMAN event,...
Are you trolling rn?
eternal veldt
On <#534621810306580500> replies were first to appear, so I’m just pasting my ...
As for this, the easiest way to handle the 406mm/420mm situation is simply thus: H-39 is designed with the 406mm, and the 420mm gun is the exact same gun bored harder to fit larger shells under H-41. Since FdG is a mix of H-39 and 41, AL opted for the 39 interpretation instead.
dawn nebula
I mean, if we are examining it in the historical context, then the Type 98 is us...
By any chance, isn’t that rainbow-coloured 100 mm gun for the Super Akizuki class? Apart from Kitakaze, I don’t think they’ve added any ships from that class. Anyway, I owe them an apology, because I completely forgotten about that girl and "accused" Manjuu of adding unnecessary stuff. So never mind that particular case.
It’s good that you mentioned they simply have that policy when it comes to these "rarities". Still, though: as long as we’ve got a German event, they could easily have thrown in something for the Germans. Unless, of course, we’re actually going down the route that Gotz is H-39 (so there’s no point in adding anything), and U-2501 already has, say, German rainbow torpedoes (who knows if they weren’t introduced some time ago in advance for her – for a long time, it was completely unnecessary equipment), so why give anything else? In that case, OK, I simply didn’t know some of the historical details. Hence the confusion.
And why did I place such a heavy emphasis on details in a game like this? Because I really value its, as ridiculous it may sound, "historical accuracy" (because what on earth compels anyone, IN A GAME LIKE THIS, to recreate historical —or even conceptual— ship modules designs) and freedom of configuration (and generally, I hold consistency in very high regard). I always have fun with this, and you can create some really cool historical counterparts. Hence, for example, once we get these H-class battleships, I’d like each one to have something different, so as not to essentially duplicate the same ship, just with a different appearance and skin (especially since this Gotz is looking hopeless compared to the Friedrich or the Ulrich).
dawn nebula
As for this, the easiest way to handle the 406mm/420mm situation is simply thus:...
You’ve summed it up perfectly. They went for 406 mm, I prefer 420 mm. Simply because I feel that having three ships with the same gun and the same role is a complete waste of time. Sure, it’s a game about collecting pretty girls, but this new one can’t even manage that. It’ll certainly find its fans, and that’s fine, but it’s not for me (for that name, great historical person, it's A HUGE waste of potential). Well, let’s wait for the H-41 and above then. I hope that once Manjuu decides to take that bold step forward, we’ll get something really cool.
P.S. I suppose I just have a different approach to this game than most people. It’s a bit more "nerdy" and reminiscent of "Spore" or the "Sims" series (or anything like that). I just really enjoy fine-tuning every detail, including these modules. The rest just throw in whatever works, or just go for the rainbow-coloured ones if they have them. I don’t always stick to strictly historical configurations myself and let my imagination run wild, albeit in a different way. Well, but that’s a topic for #al-art.
gloomy rune
have we even seen the gears they will add for the event shop yet?
Nothing was said
Gues we'll know the day of the event
It could even be an UR twin 420mm lul
spring briar
likely not
dawn nebula
Nothing was said
Isn’t that this list that tells us what’s coming? I was referring to that a bit earlier. And no, I wasn’t trolling. I just felt it was a shame to have spent resources on a ship gun that’s now going to sit there uselessly, waiting who knows how long for this "Super Akizuki" class (if I even like it, because who knows).
spring briar
that's just gear lab
gloomy rune
Trolling ×2, that refers to gear lab and has NOTHING to do with event shop
Also super akizuki is already in game, its name is Kitakaze
@spring briar the 100mm purple is Alsace's secondary gun?
spring briar
yeah
dawn nebula
Trolling ×2, that refers to gear lab and has NOTHING to do with event shop
Since when does new gear go straight into the lab? Because I’ve been playing this game for a good few months now, and it’s always been the case that first there was the shop, then a repeat of the event, and only after a while would something be added to the lab. Is it suddenly going to be different now? Right then, whatever Manjuu wants. I just don’t see where you’re finding trolling in a desire for simple consistency in a simple mobile game. Surely that’s not asking too much? Another thing is that not everyone can read Chinese straight away or has watched a specific video to know immediately that this concerns the lab, not the shop.
I know about Kitakaze, I mentioned it above. It’s just that there are more ships in this class, after all. By the way, since it’s a laboratory, not a shop, I wish Manjuu luck in filling the latter. It is precisely NOT sticking to previously established, perfectly functioning conventions that might make it "fun" to watch. If something works, why change it? Out of pity, I’ll overlook the fact that a brand-new gear will only be available (if this is indeed true) through the classic "torture" of Operation Siren xD
gloomy rune
Since when does new gear go straight into the lab? Because I’ve been playing thi...
Nice nice I've been playing for 2 years thus I know what I said, but I'm not responsible for how you interpretate it. Manjuu updates the Gear Lab whenever they feel like either by adding past event gears or NEW GEARS as a whole.
I find it trolling you believe it is related to the german event
mental tapir
Nice nice I've been playing for 2 years thus I know what I said, but I'm not res...
They promised it'll be every June and December back at the start of 2025, when there was an uproar of the Gear Lab being updated late. They have managed to deliver thus far, so we shall see if they keep it up
dawn nebula
Nice nice I've been playing for 2 years thus I know what I said, but I'm not res...
Manjuu updates the Gear Lab whenever they feel like either by adding past event gears or NEW GEARS as a whole.
In other words, to put it simply, they love creating a mess for themselves and the players just for the sake of it. Well, OK, if that’s what they want, let them have it. I can still criticise it, after all. Where did I write (leaving aside the fact that I didn’t realise they were fond of needlessly overcomplicating things until now) that this only applies to this specific German event (which, after all, hasn’t happened yet)? I’ve finished writing about that event. Now all I can do is laugh at the fact that a (for example) Soviet 220 mm gun for Moskva could be put in the shop as normal and be obtained in 1-2 days, but some 127 mm gun for Japanese destroyers that don’t even exist yet in game, couldn’t (and it could be obtained in... 2-3 months 
).
You can call it trolling, or perhaps see it as extreme nitpicking, but for me, quite simply, a lack of consistency can be funny. Why? Because Manjuu can be really cool, but as you can see, it’s also incredibly clumsy for reasons known only to them itself.
gloomy rune
Read.
desert agate
I don't play anymore so I have no real stake in this discussion but AL hasn't cared about history in years
Most of the events these days are adding ships that were never built and given fictional names
It's slop and it's lazy, and combined with the other serious structural flaws of Manjuu, and Azur Lane's design the game will either have to make huge changes in direction or fail entirely
But this isn't the right channel for this discussion
dawn nebula
<a:SilvervaleComfys:1158194519326597130> I don't play anymore so I have no real ...
It depends on how you look at it. It seems to me that with games like World of Tanks, World of Warships or Azur Lane, at some point you’d have to move on to prototypes and concepts anyway. A game like War Thunder might be purist, but only for some time (if it actually is at all). I mean, what else could you add? Ships from the First World War? From the Cold War? Modern ones? Theoretically, you could. But somehow everyone sticks mainly to the Second World War.
Personally, prototypes and concepts have never bothered me, because they’re part of history too (even, if not fully). As for Wargaming’s "filler content", e.g. in WoWs, well, in that respect Azur Lane is actually quite fair. After all, we have a separate “experimental shipyard” where these ships are located, and they’re taken with a pinch of salt.
Which names were made up? And what do you mean by “structural flaws”? Why would the game fail? What’s wrong with the design? Which direction is the right one? Part of your comment, I think, fits this channel. The rest could go on #al-lore perhaps? Or #game-feedback, I guess.
gaunt owl
<a:SilvervaleComfys:1158194519326597130> I don't play anymore so I have no real ...
9 years chugging along is already generous for a gacha game