but the allies devoted significant resources to convoy protection
#history
grave ravine
eternal veldt
That, they did.
grave ravine
and more generally convoying decreases the throughput of tonnage
it inflicts friction on the allies ability to move stuff around
grave ravine
lol
eternal veldt
But yes, that is also why Japan initially isn't favouring convoys
Affects the industry badly
subtle prawn
But I thought the Germans did plan on doing it eventually in the future
eternal veldt
When the Z plan is complete, yes.
grave ravine
I mean thats kind of a pipe dream
remote monolith
The Germans planned on a lot of far reaching things
eternal veldt
Up until Bismarck, to my understanding, it is mostly a response to the threats posed by France.
grave ravine
both completing it, and also the idea that completing it would actually bring parity with the RN
spiral cedar
WWI era comparison:
The US 5"/51 Mark 13 had a new-gun muzzle velocity of 3150 fps and threw a 50 lb Common or HC shell out to about 15000 yards, with a rate of fire of about 8-9 SPGPM, or about 425 lbs of shell per gun per minute. Depending on battleship class you would have 6-11 guns per broadside (later battleship classes tended to have fewer 5"/51 guns).
The UK 6"/45 BL Mark XII had a muzzle velocity of 2800 fps and threw a 100 lb CPC or HE shell out to about 13000 yards, with a rate of fire of about 4-5 SPGPM*, or about 450 lbs of shell per gun per minute. Depending on battleship class you would have 7-8 guns per broadside.
So for rough contemporaries, on the Nevada class you could throw out (21 guns, assuming 10-gun broadside) 4250 lbs of shells per minute at an enemy target with the secondary battery, while for the Queen Elizabeth class you could throw out (16 guns, assuming 8-gun broadside) 3600 lbs of shells per minute.
Granted, both sides reduced the numbers of casemate guns throughout WWI due to water shipping issues; over the course of the war both Nevada and Queen Elizabeth were reduced to 12 guns (6-gun broadside). This would reduce both outputs to 2550 lbs and 2700 lbs respectively, for a max range of 15000 and 13000 yards respectively.
* Navweaps says that the capital ship mounts had slow hoists and had lower rates of fire compared to the cruiser mountings.
remote monolith
It didn't really mean they would actually be capable of doing all of that
Like the Third Reich fundamentally was a highly fragile state held together by Hitler's megalomaniacal idea and him feeding into the then highly popular feeling of Communist paranoia and antisemitism
grave ravine
and they were ideologically incapable of making rational threat assessments
subtle prawn
Also with unsustainable levels of military spending
grave ravine
but anyways the problem with Plan Z is that the UK just has a significantly larger shipbuilding industry and they aren't just going to sit around and watch, the exact same problem they faced before WW1
eternal veldt
WWI era comparison:
The US 5"/51 Mark 13 had a new-gun muzzle velocity of 3150 ...
Since I'm not at home, I'd like to ask further about the theoretical maximum range of the 5"/51 compared to, let's say the German 6" C/25 gun. Are they close, or there's a sizable increase from employing a 6" weapon?
grave ravine
checking Navweaps, the 15cm SK L/45 battleship mounts elevated to about 20 degrees, which per the range tables would get to 16300 yds
spiral cedar
The German 15cm/45 SK L/45 threw a 99.8 lb AP or HE shell out to 14760 yards with a MV of 2740 fps and a rate of fire of 5-7 SPGPM. That amounts to 599 lbs of shell per gun per minute. For Seydlitz (12 guns, assuming 6-gun broadside) that's 3593 lbs of shells per minute for the secondary battery out to 14760 yards.
For a WWII comparison, the 15cm/55 SK C/28 would throw a 99.9 lb AP or HE shell at a MV of 2871 fps out to 25153 yards, with a rate of fire of 6-8 SPGPM or about 699 lbs of shell per gun per minute. So for a 12-gun ship like Bismarck (assuming 6-gun broadside) we get 4196 lbs of shell per minute out to 25153 yards.
eternal veldt
Got a bit confused to Seydlitz since I thought you were referring to the WW2 cruiser, but the C/28's values seem much more impressive on paper.
grave ravine
a lot of it is increased elevation AFAIK
spiral cedar
Yup
maiden citrus
it really does show you the excellence of the 5''/51 when it's put raw next to other guns like that
grave ravine
casemate mounts mostly got up to what like 20 degrees at max
spiral cedar
The WWI ships got increased elevation as well by WWII so it's not a fair comparison
spiral cedar
casemate mounts mostly got up to what like 20 degrees at max
Often like 14 deg
eternal veldt
How about the elephant in the room, the 5"/38?
spiral cedar
How about the elephant in the room, the 5"/38?
For a comparison to North Carolina, the 5"/38 Mark 12 would throw a 55.18 lb Special Common or AAC shell with a new-gun muzzle velocity of 2600 fps out to about 18200 yards. Rate of fire would be 15-22 SPGPM for a throw weight of 1021 lbs per gun per minute. For a 20-gun ship like North Carolina (10-gun broadside) that's 10208 lbs of shell per minute out to 18200 yards.
spiral cedar
If we want to use the low-end figure of 15 SPGPM that lowers the throw weight to 828 lbs per gun per minute, or a broadside of 8277 lbs of shell per minute
(For all the other comparisons I used the average)
maiden citrus
lotta throwweight
spiral cedar
it really does show you the excellence of the 5''/51 when it's put raw next to o...
The main performance advantage of the 5"/51 is the quite high muzzle velocity, which when coupled with the somewhat higher rate of fire helps keep it competitive in WWI. By WWII of course casemate mounts of all types aren't really competitive anymore
maiden citrus
indeed, energetic gun
maiden citrus
spiral cedar
spiral cedar
WWI era comparison:
The US 5"/51 Mark 13 had a new-gun muzzle velocity of 3150 ...
You can see the difference a higher max elevation makes once you get away from casemate mounts (though usually elevation was still less than the ideal ~45-50 deg)
Also I see I made a small off-by-one error and the max range of the 5"/51 should have been 15000 not 14000 yards in WWI
Fixed
subtle prawn
cyan oriole
they did, but none of them made it onto ships because surface ship construction had largely ceased
remember that the american DP 127mm gun (and its excellent mark 37 fire control director) was basically unique amongst the world's navies
the british equivalent was the 133mm of which there were shortages even halfway through the war, and their HACS was in the end not as good as the american system
the japanese 127mm DP gun and fire control was also not quite as good as the american, and it was only phased onto japanese warships gradually
and with the others it is even worse: the German equivalent gun never made it to sea, the Soviet equivalent never made it out of the factory, the French gun never made it into metal, and the Italians didn't even decide on the parameters of their gun before it was shelved
yeah you can really tell the O class was developed from the panzerschiffe raider designs
cyan oriole
You can see the difference a higher max elevation makes once you get away from c...
you can also see the diminishing returns of the higher max elevations... but they also have the most marginal value cuz that last bit of range happens to be the most crucial
zealous vine
does anyone have any document on the existence of torps on the USS dealey
grave ravine
does anyone have any document on the existence of torps on the USS dealey
You can pretty clearly see the ASW torpedo tubes in higher quality images of the ships
subtle prawn
zealous vine
You can pretty clearly see the ASW torpedo tubes in higher quality images of the...
Were there any in pre-modernization
runic ermine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58KivPpzTLc
Bodies that the Germans couldn't handle
desert agate
On this day in 1942, war came to Australia
runic ermine
On this day in 1942, war came to Australia
Darwin bombing if Im correct?
mental tapir
Ahh right, surrender of Singapore was four days and 84 years ago
grave ravine
Were there any in pre-modernization
No, the class predates the Mk 32, they received them during FRAM modernizations in the mid 60s
grave ravine
The original ASW fit was either Squid ASW mortars or Weapon Alpha
I think only Dealey had Squid, the rest had Weapon Alpha
subtle prawn
mellow fable
runic ermine
I forgot to mention this but yesterday was the 126th anniversary of the start of the Battle of Paardeberg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1900)
twilit geyser
https://youtube.com/shorts/BzG3Wvv8Gv8?si=uOcpJwI2ugdHMPXQ
It applies really well to her considering her revisionist views on the Japanese during the Pacific War.
subtle prawn
remote monolith
Mr. President a second Spinosaurus has hit the world
X
remote monolith
<@&472236072743600148> the usual stuff
autumn sorrel
Mr. President a second Spinosaurus has hit the world
https://x.com/i/status/20...
The more I look, the more chicken it becomes.
desert agate
X
The Royal Australian Navy will, by the end of the 2030s have
More surface warfare assets
A better undersea warfare capability
Greater sea-lift capacity
And potentially more VLS cells
Than the Royal Navy will
The only capability the RN will have which the RAN will not be able to replicate is fixed wing aviation, and even then, we may have an (obviously neutered) capability by then
peak mango
The more I look, the more chicken it becomes.
everything tastes like chicken. Thought spino was synapsid
remote monolith
Synapsid is the mammal lineage tho, different thing altogether
subtle prawn
echo onyx
behold...my military manuals
M36 Jackson, M-47 Patton, T-55, T-72/M-84 and Mig 21 stuff
autumn sorrel
behold...my military manuals
Nice
echo onyx
Yugoslavian?
yes, yugo
grave ravine
Man the Pr 66 is such a mediocre design, designed to hunt American heavy cruisers, only for Soviet wargaming to suggest a Des Moines would have an edge over it anyways
Staked everything on stupid high velocity guns, only to realize that they didn't have the FC to be able to utilize them at all
At least Pr 82 actually overmatched heavy cruisers, this couldn't even do that
unkempt garden
What the b1 ter should have looked like
runic ermine
behold...my military manuals
And yugioh tin
subtle prawn
subtle prawn
runic ermine
Wait the Fenians used breachloading rifles?!?!
https://youtu.be/uvZfHkiYHII?si=uRc-rZct9mKKWIit
Also I've been pronucing Fenian wrong this entire times lmao
It's apparently Fee-ne-an and not Fen-e-an
or Fen-ean
gaunt owl
was Yukikaze the last surviving surface combatant of the IJN or were there other ships other than her?
eternal veldt
Ushio, Hibiki, Suzutsuki, Fuyuzuki, to name a couple surviving destroyers.
Takao, Myōkō also both survived in Singapore and were promptly scuttled by the British.
Note: Some of these figures include the ships sunk at Kure.
subtle prawn
manjuu moment
Somehow, I still find it less offensive than whatever napkinwaffes the Germans get
subtle prawn
subtle prawn
cyan oriole
Man the Pr 66 is such a mediocre design, designed to hunt American heavy cruiser...
that's why it was never built lmao
the soviets recognized it as a hubristic waste of money
although the superiority of the DM is mostly due to the excellence of the DM, the soviet heavy cruisers were passable, if a crude and inflated design
grave ravine
Des Moines my beloved
rapid junco
runic ermine
This day just keeps getting worse
https://youtu.be/kbrjnNq3aoQ?si=AJsmKwrxjGTuOX4F
peak mango
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x03gRnZBJhc Longest dogfight.
mental tapir
Loved the part where Lt Royce Williams said "It's Grumman time" and grummed all over the MiGs over North Korea
Imo it's like Zeroes vs Wildcats all over again; a faster, lighter fighter against a slower, heavier fighter
The -5 variant of the F9F has a more powerful engine than the MiG-15, despite being a slower fighter, which I find similar to the Wildcat-Zero comparison
subtle prawn
mental tapir
TIL 🇮🇩 is getting an aircraft carrier
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/indonesia-aircraft-carrier-military-strategic-maritime-5942391
autumn sorrel
TIL 🇮🇩 is getting an aircraft carrier
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/in...
Yeah right 
Literally another money pit and useless project 
I dare say, a vanity purchase
remote monolith
I dare say, a vanity purchase
it's a freebie
the italian government didn't sell it, it was a basically state gift
as for usage though....yeah
autumn sorrel
it's a freebie
Yeah but the operating cost and orders for helicopter to put on it isn't
remote monolith
Yeah but the operating cost and orders for helicopter to put on it isn't
obviously, which is why I don't think it'll amount to much
autumn sorrel
the italian government didn't sell it, it was a basically state gift
Yeah but me giving you a 40 yrs old hull that will definitely saddle your already strained budget in a trouble economy feel like a sabotage move tbh.
remote monolith
it's not sabotage if it's the dumbass government who wanted it in the first place unfortunately
autumn sorrel
At least there is also talk to buy the Aermacchi M346 so someone at least have 2 working brain cells.
subtle prawn
Going for the M-346 is a kinda weird choice when the T-50, a similar aircraft, already in service with the Air Force
Then again, having equipment from so many different countries has always been their thing
mental tapir
🇮🇩 getting a carrier before they get an AEW&C 🥀
(they're gonna be so shocked when their shiny new J-10s are not able to make 150km+ range A2A kills without one)
autumn sorrel
Then again, having equipment from so many different countries has always been th...
Yeah but M-346 are at least easier choice in terms of maintenance then say, having both F-15 and Su-27 at the same time
unkempt garden
Renault G1R medium tank prototype, meant to replace the D2 and S35, that thing is insanely advanced for it's time
One with a 47mm and one with a 75mm
stabilized gun and optical rangefinder
in 1941
pretty ambitious machine
unkempt garden
1941? So Vichy was trying to make this?
the project started late 1935
it was meant to come out mid 1941
runic ermine
Ah
unkempt garden
if france didnt fell that thing would have been a monster
spiral cedar
subtle prawn
autumn sorrel
https://fixupx.com/I_W_M/status/2025972306028224727?
"Bunch up and run across"
A real "some of you might die but that a price High Command willing to spend" energy
terse mesa
eternal veldt
spiral cedar
timber linden
Greatest country in the world
unkempt garden
that thing gigantic
timber linden
Happy launch day ranger
unkempt garden
Jean Bart had insane Anti Air
unkempt garden
grave ravine
Jean Bart had insane Anti Air
I mean not really, its certainly not bad or anything but it also isn't anything to write home about, it's broadly in line with other early war fast battleship AA suites
Especially when you account for the fact that the DP 6" guns really weren't, the heavy AA battery is actually on the small side, though the class had as built a pretty comprehensive light AA suite
Though the 3.7cm AA guns were also hampered by a very low RoF
But none of the early war light AA guns were without problems of some kind
spring briar
I mean not really, its certainly not bad or anything but it also isn't anything ...
Post war Jean Bart had the heaviest AA battery other than New Jersey
that's what they're referring to
unkempt garden
that's what they're referring to
Exactement
I wish they never scrapped both ships and even continued developping Clems and Gascogne
But yeah post war was terrible for France
spring briar
ye
grave ravine
Post war Jean Bart had the heaviest AA battery other than New Jersey
I mean for the 50s it's also kinda middling, a Forrest Sherman class has roughly the same heavy AA throw weight over the broadside, and it's a 4000t destroyer, and this isn't even getting into missiles
spring briar
?
grave ravine
Really none of the battleships still around in the 50s had particularly impressive AA suites for the mid to late 50s
grave ravine
Three 5"/54s have about the same throw weight per minute as 12 of the 100mm guns
spring briar
at the beginning bro said " wow JB had insane anti-air"
which is true
she has the 2nd heaviest AA battery of any BB
now you bring in forrest sherman to somehow try and invalidate that truth?
grave ravine
It gets that AA suite in the 1950s
grave ravine
Benchmark it against what's around in the 50s
spring briar
no
we were talking about just AA battery on a BB
period
but if you want to feel better, yeah it's not the best for the 50's
grave ravine
we were talking about just AA battery on a BB
I mean comparing it to a bunch of 10+ year older as suites is the same problem with comparing say a late war Iowa suite with what ships were designed and built with at the start of the war
spring briar
yeah but you also brought up the 3.7cm's so who's really fucking up their comparison here?
let it go
grave ravine
I was looking at other early war FBB suites 🤷
And like to be fair, NJ's light AA suite, while on paper having a heavier throw weight is in practice completely useless by the mid 50s, whereas the 57mm guns are at least marginally useful
peak mango
Post war Jean Bart had the heaviest AA battery other than New Jersey
fuzed AA (of the rapid fire kind) is getting a rennisance these days.
frozen kestrel
I'm trying to get this right, but I feel like I'm just fucking it up.
One on the left is done using this as reference.
One on the right was my dumbass tracing the curve from a WT camo
peak mango
One on the right was my dumbass tracing the curve from a WT camo
WT is likely your first problem
frozen kestrel
You mean the entire problem
god, i fucking hate war thunder's models
they're leagues better than the ones in wows, sure, but boy do they sure make me wanna chew C4 like it's bubblegum
peak mango
what exactly are you trying to do anyway?
frozen kestrel
make the fuckass rheinubung camo for bismarck
peak mango
make the fuckass rheinubung camo for bismarck
Find a historical reference photo, but remember the paint job was done by low paid workers and/or crew
frozen kestrel
the baltic stripes (what's left of them, anyway) are only slightly problematic, but soon as I get to the stern and the bow (and the bullshit that is that false bow wave), I feel like i'm developing an aneurysm
peak mango
'close enough' is good enough
I mean match reference photos (if those exist) but beyond that
frozen kestrel
'close enough' is good enough
i would do it like that... but i've been fucking crucified for inaccuracy before, so, uh... yeah...
peak mango
i would do it like that... but i've been fucking crucified for inaccuracy before...
I'm just saying that if you can't find a reference to prove it was done a different way...
... and the sailor on the ground (back in history) is gonna yolo it as long no one yells at them for it ...
... a scheme that the yard puts on under perfect conditions is going to be rapidly rusted over and a maintenance scheme is going to be what happens that's close enough.
zealous vine
Was there any pointer towards Warship 797's 100mm being the same model as those on the Oyodo
subtle prawn
runic ermine
Greatest country in the world
All other countries are run by little girls
frozen kestrel
>war thunder models are good
i should clarify. there are pros and cons to both games' models.
WoWs has some ships that you just outright cannot find in War Thunder, like Aurora.
War Thunder has the same, like with PoW, and the models are generally more detailed.
Regardless, both have their own unique ways to make me want eat lead paint.
like right now, bismarck's baltic stripes are about to make me start genuinely fucking tweaking
eternal veldt
Details are subjective.
Depicting the ships as rustbuckets when they visually are well maintained runs contrary to what WT claims and strives to be, and occassional lapses in determining the model often get ignored even when pointed out by the community.
frozen kestrel
yeah, they definitely have problems (what the fuck happened to mogami)
but to be honest, i would rather change the textures of actually modelled portholes than go through the five stages of grief in ms paint trying to fix WG's bullshit
i mean hell, i can just get lazy with WT's portholes and slap a default Principled BSDF node on them and call it a day
but at the end of the day, no matter what it always feels like the only ones who actually know what the fuck they're doing is the players and enthusiasts
speaking of, i finally ripped their fuckass gneisenau apart
humanity restored
frozen kestrel
progress. slow, but working.
mental tapir
Someone likes thicc thighs and insists everyone pads their thighs
stiff abyss
subtle prawn
desert agate
X
subtle prawn
spiral cedar
Welcome
peak mango
spiral cedar
A 'quick' (not really) Iowa vs. Yamato immune zone comparison by yours truly
Iowa's machinery immune zone against Yamato's Type 1 shells (my usual standard)
Alternate "never decap" for outer hull + upper deck, and "no outer hull decap only," variants for reference
Ranges in kiloyards
Yamato's immune zone against Iowa's Mark 8 Mod 1 to 5 (1943-1944) and Mark 8 Mod 6 to 8 (1944+) shells, standard charges
The Iowas were also issued "special charges" that produced the same 2300 fps MV out of the 50-caliber gun Mark 7 as the 45-caliber gun Mark 6, for improved deck punching performance. When used, the outer immune zone would be moved inwards due to the steeper angle of fall as shown by the low-opacity lines
Combined charts for comparison
Ditto but with the Iowa special charges added
Inner Immune Zone (penetration occurs at and below the curve)
EFF = effective belt pen (fit to burst)
CP = complete belt pen (ineffective)
PP = partial pen (hole in armor + up to 50% of shell weight)
Outer Immune Zone (penetration occurs at and above the curve)
UHSD = Yamato's upper hull + sloped deck edge
UHD = Iowa's upper hull + main armor deck
Deck = Weather deck + main armor deck
Target angle of 90 degrees is the target ship presenting a flat broadside; 80 degrees would be rotated 10 degrees away from broadside, etc.
Since at target angles beyond 45 degrees you have to worry about masking your rear guns and about shells penetrating the much thinner fore and aft transverse bulkheads, I keep the target angles restricted to the 45-90 deg TA range
The Yamato sloped deck edge for reference; at penetration ranges it’s about 16% of deck hits
As usual, calculations are done for the machinery spaces. Since the ends of the ship follow the curvature of the hull, the magazine belt will generally benefit less from ship angling due to the inherent rotation of the armor plates to follow the ship's waterline curvature, so this somewhat exaggerates the practical benefits of ship angling. Penetration of facehardened (belt) armor done in FACEHARD8.0 and penetration of homogeneous (deck) armor done in HCWCALC6.0.
spring briar
Thank you Jaba
spiral cedar
Added South Dakota because I was halfway there already
Yamato against early and late war 16"/45 SHS
South Dakota against 46cm Type 1
"never decap" version
early and late war combined comparisons
spiral cedar
early and late war combined comparisons
should read 1942-1944 not 1943-1944 oops
there we go
twilit geyser
Idk if this breaks the rules or not, but the first F-15 has been shot down, and it’s by friendly fire
It’s probably just a crash idk
mental tapir
Afaik still speculation whether it's engine failure or the plane being shot down by a SAM
Two F-15s have been lost to SAMs during the Gulf War, so it's not the first time
But if it somehow was an A2A missile then yes the no loss streak would be broken
runic ermine
Idk if this breaks the rules or not, but the first F-15 has been shot down, and ...
Im sorry WHAT X
mental tapir
**THREE F-15s were indeed shot down in a friendly fire incident
https://www.centcom.mil/MEDIA/PRESS-RELEASES/Press-Release-View/Article/4418568/three-us-f-15s-involved-in-friendly-fire-incident-in-kuwait-pilots-safe/
Almost enough to think there were some double agents in the Kuwaiti air defense team or something /j
desert agate
Can't wait for the mods to get involved here
subtle prawn
spring briar
humble jewel
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2026/03/future-french-ballistic-missile-sub...
https://tenor.com/view/daiwa-scarlet-daiwa-try-not-to-laugh-ishowspeed-dasca-gif-7053030785952324560
autumn sorrel
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2026/03/future-french-ballistic-missile-sub...
Lol, definitely to take a piss at the brit
versed tree
What is this one called?
shrewd pecan
Idk if this breaks the rules or not, but the first F-15 has been shot down, and ...
No its not the first one shot down
the first combat losses of F-15s happened during the gulf war when Iraq downed two F-15Es with either AAAs or SA-2s
in terms of combat losses for the F-15 you have
- Two during the Gulf War
- Japan suffered a training accident where one F-15J shot down another
- 3 to friendly fire over Kuwait
the claim of the F-15 being undefeated only refers to air to air combat
which this wasn't
runic ermine
Can't wait for the mods to get involved here
Damn its been hours
And yall got mad at me 2 years ago when I posted a Leopard 2 variant
mental tapir
And you're clearly still salty about it two years later
unkempt garden
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2026/03/future-french-ballistic-missile-sub...
Dont listen to that dickhead
Id rather have akashi has president
subtle prawn
desert agate
The fleet cannot be beat
Russel Crowe (voicing this ad) was given an honorary commission into the fleet last week
autumn sorrel
Russel Crowe (voicing this ad) was given an honorary commission into the fleet l...
Wow, cool
Captain Jack is a Commander in Australian Navy now
zealous vine
there we go
bless you jaba 
say, in practice, a target angle of 90 degrees at 25k yards isnt really possible due to ballistics right
runic ermine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh6jaJ4uB1w
Happy birthday
spiral cedar
say, in practice, a target angle of 90 degrees at 25k yards isnt really possible...
It is possible, target angle is the relative orientation of the target ship as compared to the shooting ship
You might be thinking of obliquity, which is the impact angle to the armor plate, or angle of fall, which is the angle of the shell relative to the horizon. But those I already account for in my calculations. Target angle on the other hand is determined by the tactical situation at the moment, so I have to present a range of possible target angles
karmic shore
France Relied on B1 Char series
And Somua
In Ww2
After Retiring the Saint Chammond
France Tried to Build
Arl 44 Td
Not that built in 44
The Arl 44 Td is Based on B1 Hull
But Due to Ww2 Prototype Went to Morocco
unkempt garden
The closest thing to a 37 or 47mm arl 44 is this
I clearly never heard of a arl44 prototype with that gun
No one has ever mentionned something like this
karmic shore
That's Renault G1
unkempt garden
I know
karmic shore
The closest thing to a 37 or 47mm arl 44 is this
I clearly never heard of a arl...
As I said It's Lost media
unkempt garden
All of them are lost never to never found again
karmic shore
All of them are lost never to never found again
Yes
Like Surcouf
France Had a Tank Called Char 2C
Basically Designed for Trench warfare
But it was heavy and Had little armour
Only Small number of them built
And Most of them destroyed
It was only Going for 15km
unkempt garden
As I said It's Lost media
I translate this to im wrong and i dont want to confess it
Trust me that thing dont exist
karmic shore
And then They Found the Char B1
karmic shore
I translate this to im wrong and i dont want to confess it
Trust me that thing ...
Nah
France's Some of the Vehicles are Lost media
Anyways
Let's go to 60s
unkempt garden
2 prototypes built
And a fton of others models but none build if im correct
(Theyre ugly)
karmic shore
Probably
spring briar
sillies
unkempt garden
And the BDR (my favorite)
karmic shore
And the BDR (my favorite)
F a T
unkempt garden
sillies
Do you confirm that no 37mm or 47mm Arl44 existed or even considered
I clearly never heard of it
karmic shore
So Cursed B1
Another Cursed B1
Alabama B1 with Somua
unkempt garden
So Cursed B1
Another Cursed B1
Alabama B1 with Somua
More like cursed s35 cursed fcm36 and whatever that mix between a Churchill B1 is
Hull mounted 47mm why ?
karmic shore
Hull mounted 47mm why ?
Probably Inspired From Churchill 1
unkempt garden
And the BDR (my favorite)
I wouldve loved seeing that thing fighting panzer IV
karmic shore
Big ass Cupola is Weakspot
unkempt garden
Yeah that's not war thunder
karmic shore
Like Tiger 1and Panzers
spring briar
IRL isn't war thunder or wot
karmic shore
IRL isn't war thunder or wot
unkempt garden
Like Tiger 1and Panzers
If France didn't fell Germany clearly woulnt have the industry to build those things
Neither the ressources
karmic shore
Then where enemy supposed to shoot
karmic shore
If France didn't fell Germany clearly woulnt have the industry to build those th...
Thanks for useless Maginot line
They not Make it longer
unkempt garden
We coulve reppeled the attack multiple times but noooo
karmic shore
Narval
unkempt garden
What even is this
Super Heavy tank
Or
The type of shit i make in sprocket
France loves super heavy tanks
karmic shore
FCM knows the Super Tanks
spring briar
Thanks for useless Maginot line
it wasn't useless
if Belgium had stuck to the defence of the Meuse instead of withdrawing after Saar was taken in 1938, shit wouldn't have happened like IRL
originally Maginot would've stretched across the Franco-Belgian border as well but there was a defensive agreement
unkempt garden
100mm of sloped armor 💀
That thing was meant to Come out in 1940 1941
The variants
runic ermine
X
twilit geyser
No its not the first one shot down
There’s now reports coming in that a Kuwaiti F-18 was the reason for the losses though
shrewd pecan
There’s now reports coming in that a Kuwaiti F-18 was the reason for the losses ...
idk if this would count towards the claim of the F-15 being undefeated in air to air combat considering it was friendly fire
The Japanese one didn’t but that was a training accident
twilit geyser
idk if this would count towards the claim of the F-15 being undefeated in air to...
Does friendly fire typically not count?
shrewd pecan
usually doesn’t
twilit geyser
I see
mental tapir
Still breaks my heart as an F-15 lover 💔 🥀
Smh that Kuwaiti pilot thought he had early access to AC8 or something
subtle prawn
peak mango
idk if this would count towards the claim of the F-15 being undefeated in air to...
3x F-15Es yeah wtf. That said, wasn't even fog of war, just an IFF failure.
lapis eagle
another loss to F15 fans
subtle prawn
zealous vine
yaaay
burnt scarab
I hate it whenever I hear friendly fire accidents happen Verplant. They should have a tech that detects friendly or enemy
subtle prawn
subtle prawn
peak mango
I hate it whenever I hear friendly fire accidents happen Verplant. They should h...
Yes but it gets complicated. Can't be TOO widespread and easy to claim a side, can't compromise other characteristics...
burnt scarab
😑
burnt scarab
Mk 1 eyeball ? What's that ?
subtle prawn
A joke referring to regular eyeballs
twilit geyser
I hate it whenever I hear friendly fire accidents happen Verplant. They should h...
They kinda do have some onboard, IFF systems like the AN/APX-76 or APX-119.
burnt scarab
They do ? Then how come they didnt detect an F15 as a friendly aircraft then ?
twilit geyser
Transponder probably gone funky is my guess
peak mango
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qiyo8D0nH70 Where's New Jersey ..
desert agate
They kinda do have some onboard, IFF systems like the AN/APX-76 or APX-119.
IFF does not work like that in combat
The last thing you want your aircraft to have is a device which is constantly emitting signals telling everybody around you who you are
twilit geyser
IFF does not work like that in combat
I never said anything about it working about anything in combat?
If the interrogator does not receive a response from the transponder, it is not positive if it's friend or foe. In this case, either the transponder wasn't working or the pilot chose not to reply to the signal. In which the F-18 pilot misinterpreted either situation.
I'd assume it's mode 1 that the transponder was supposed to broadcast to not compromise the operation.
burnt scarab
Blast...
runic ermine
Who wants to talk about the Falklands War?
subtle prawn
mental tapir
Was the Coalition at risk of running out of missiles (Tomahawks, AAMs, Interceptors, etc) after the first few weeks of Desert Storm in the first Gulf War?
autumn sorrel
Was the Coalition at risk of running out of missiles (Tomahawks, AAMs, Intercept...
No, the main problem they have is moving munitions to the theaters and store them, Saudi infrastructure at the time isn't exactly up to NATO standard and they have not build munitions dumps that was sufficient for operation of that scale.
autumn sorrel
Was the Coalition at risk of running out of missiles (Tomahawks, AAMs, Intercept...
I DMed you the report, it should cover everything in there.
remote monolith
If people thought Indonesian Muslims are nutjobs, boy just wait until they see Malaysian ones
autumn sorrel
If people thought Indonesian Muslims are nutjobs, boy just wait until they see M...
I mean, Indonesian gov still very much prefer secular over theology. Malaysian just can’t decide whether or not they want to be a Caliphate or multiple Sultanates.
remote monolith
I mean, Indonesian gov still very much prefer secular over theology. Malaysian j...
they simply want everything to be Muslim tinted
I've been told there's movements like the one above that tried to revision the Hindu-Buddhist part of SEA history there, unlike in Indonesia
well, not to say there isn't one here too
Borobudur has been claimed to be an islamic monument of Solomon at least once
but it's worse there
runic ermine
If people thought Indonesian Muslims are nutjobs, boy just wait until they see M...
Not to be rude but from what I've seen, Indonesians in general are crazy
Not in a bad way tho
Most of the time
runic ermine
If people thought Indonesian Muslims are nutjobs, boy just wait until they see M...
Also
remote monolith
Not to be rude but from what I've seen, Indonesians in general are crazy
In comparison to western countries yeah
And if I, an Indonesian, say Malaysians are even crazier about Islam
You best believe it
runic ermine
And if I, an Indonesian, say Malaysians are even crazier about Islam
Oh I didn't mean about islam I ment in general
remote monolith
Even in general Malaysia is pretty woof in comparison to this country
runic ermine
"White supremacy on the rise in Indonesia" is a real headline
remote monolith
White supremacy is on the rise in the SEA in general bruv
runic ermine
White supremacy is on the rise in the SEA in general bruv
HOW THEY'RE ASIAN
remote monolith
HOW THEY'RE ASIAN
Like that ever stopped Indian Nazis
Like as a teacher I've met far too many 16-17 yos proclaiming they like fascism and think Germany had the right idea
runic ermine
White supremacy is on the rise in the SEA in general bruv
That reminds me, I remember a joke on Twitter how one of the enemies in the next Wolfenstein game is just gonna be an Indonesian shouting "For agartha!"
runic ermine
Like that ever stopped Indian Nazis
That was actually a thing tho
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Legion
remote monolith
Yeah and Bose was condemned by the Indian government at the time
Still didn't stop many modern Indians from adopting Fascist viewpoints
Also fyi, Fascist Party of the Dutch East Indies really was a brief thing here
runic ermine
Still didn't stop many modern Indians from adopting Fascist viewpoints
HH SAAAAR
Saaar we love Hitla SAAAR
remote monolith
Understandably the Dutch thought that was a bit too dangerous and eliminated ot and forcibly disbanded the organizations around the 30s
runic ermine
White supremacy is on the rise in the SEA in general bruv
Wait the Dutch far right is led by an Indonesian
Full circle huh
remote monolith
Not surprising, even Rutte has ties to the colonial population
It's what happens when so many Dutchmen married with the local population and brought many locals to the Nether as well
runic ermine
And if I, an Indonesian, say Malaysians are even crazier about Islam
Also one quick question
Are SEA folk easily influenced by western internet culture?
Or western culture in general?
remote monolith
Are SEA folk easily influenced by western internet culture?
Yeah, I would say ID internet culture tend to be less insular than some other countries
subtle prawn
stiff abyss
subtle prawn
Bluesky
spiral cedar
mental tapir
https://fxtwitter.com/DARPA/status/2031026037992169644
Latest in the long line of Ensign Eliminators /j
open pulsar
https://fxtwitter.com/DARPA/status/2031026037992169644
What game is this?
open pulsar
https://bsky.app/profile/usni.org/post/3mgnrwriti22w
Should be a museum ship after its reactor is taken out
open pulsar
If people thought Indonesian Muslims are nutjobs, boy just wait until they see M...
Indonesian is secular its a shame
remote monolith
Indonesian is secular its a shame
eeeeh the modern Indonesian state post-Soeharto? Not really
the presence of institutions like MUI and the informal agreement that a president must be a Muslim doesn't really lend itself to a secular state of being
subtle prawn
What game is this?
Not a game
subtle prawn
subtle prawn
runic ermine
Anybody wanna talk about the Fenians?
peak mango
Manju hasn't heard of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_of_the_Golden_Dragon
runic ermine
Also I just realized that Fenian money had a picture of Erin instructing an American civil war veteran to fight for a "free Ireland"
desert agate
HMAS Anzac
autumn sorrel
HMAS Anzac
How much of those gonna be reuse?
desert agate
She’s being scrapped for parts to sustain the rest of the class
The money and manpower freed up by her (and her sister Arunta) scrapping will also go into accelerating the Mogami program
autumn sorrel
She’s being scrapped for parts to sustain the rest of the class
Are the engine reusable or they will use it as parts donation for the rest of the class?
desert agate
The engines are just as worn out as the rest of the ship
subtle prawn
spice idol
subtle prawn
runic ermine
TOS right?
spice idol
TOS right?
Yes/Да
subtle prawn
gusty tide
https://bsky.app/profile/tankarchives.bsky.social/post/3mgvqidqeok2p
pz 2 c dak
or what
ruby spindle
Wonder, if you were the Mustache man what would you do to make Germania Win.
remote monolith
which Germania, Germania Inferior or Germania Superior? And do you can Arminius and Maroboduus as part of Superior or Inferior? And what about the Quadi and Cherusci, you counting them too?
runic ermine
pz 2 c dak
You know what DAK stands for right?
gusty tide
You know what DAK stands for right?
Yea
subtle prawn
subtle prawn
desert agate
Wonder, if you were the Mustache man what would you do to make Germania Win.
You want Hitler to win WW2?
The way to do that is not start WW2
But the problem of course is the German economy would have collapsed without WW2
So it's more or less a lose-lose
grave ravine
This paragraph in particular from Ur-Fascism really describes why the Nazis did what they did
Fascism is fundamentally irrational
subtle prawn
runic ermine
https://breakingdefense.com/2026/03/aircraft-carrier-nimitz-gets-service-life-ex...
Iran
frozen kestrel
I wonder if they'll take any artifacts from Nimitz to put in a museum when they finally decommission her
timber linden
Wonder, if you were the Mustache man what would you do to make Germania Win.
There was nothing the germans could do to win, thier system was a failure. The best you could do is have the soviets join the axis and use them to meat wave the british down
grave ravine
There was nothing the germans could do to win, thier system was a failure. The b...
Stalin had precisely zero interest in actually going to war with the West, and considering the Nazis were ostensibly at war with "Judeo-Bolshevism"...
While war is always contingent, and you can never truly be certain, Fascists are ideologically required to keep throwing the dice until they inevitably fail, because their ideology is shit and filled with contradictions
runic ermine
While war is always contingent, and you can never truly be certain, Fascists are...
Reminds me of communism
Rolling and then claiming that it didn't count
subtle prawn
timber linden
Reminds me of communism
Communism and fascism is two different sides of the coin of socialism
timber linden
Stalin had precisely zero interest in actually going to war with the West, and c...
I guess wait out the brits while still buying russian oil until operation unthinkable kicks in
grave ravine
I guess wait out the brits while still buying russian oil until operation unthin...
I mean the Brits aren't stupid enough to go to war with the Soviets while the Nazis are still kicking, and again the Nazis are basically obligated by their shitty ideology to go to war with the Soviets
autumn sorrel
This paragraph in particular from Ur-Fascism really describes why the Nazis did ...
Fascism have no fixed ideology, it is whatever the demagogue deemed the masses are most malleable to. Unlike Communism where a veneer of a coherent ideology are maintained and deviations are allowed based on particular circumstances. It look irrational because it is. It is an amalgamation of whatever classes, nationalist or race grievance that the demagogue use to pleased the masses, it does not rationalize it struggle but instead declare it as a fact.
desert agate
Communism and fascism is two different sides of the coin of socialism
There is nothing socialist about fascist economics and any honest reading of fascist politics would tell you as much
Unless you’re going to start quoting Stalin about social democracy or whatever
timber linden
I mean the Brits aren't stupid enough to go to war with the Soviets while the Na...
I dont know, you never know what the brits were capable of during either world war. No one would blow thier own allies fleets out of the water but yet here we are
eternal veldt
"blow their allies' fleet out of the water"
Literally a government that palpatined itself, an opportunist of an admiral that can't be trusted, and a modern navy that poses immense risk to the MTO
Multiple communication breakdowns and failures to remedy the situation
Hmm, I wonder why
grave ravine
Fascism have no fixed ideology, it is whatever the demagogue deemed the masses a...
You should read Eco's essay
But there are common threads in what unite all the various ideologies under the fascist umbrella
autumn sorrel
I mean, if you just use Eco's 14 points as a benchmark, Communism can also be considered a form of fascism albeit with a more coherent economic view.
Hell, Maoism and Juche have a lot of writing that could not be far from the like Mussolini.
grave ravine
I mean, if you just use Eco's 14 points as a benchmark, Communism can also be co...
There are a couple major points where communism differs. Firstly communism is fundamentally a rejection of tradition, it is avowedly modern. Secondly communism is ostensibly egalitarian, whereas inequality, racism, and hierarchy are essential parts of fascism
In practice of course communism rarely lives up to its ideals, but even then the Soviet Union and Communist China were pretty egalitarian
And the Soviet Union in particular was obsessed with modernism
Juche on the other hand...
autumn sorrel
I would say that no matter how much it change or use fancy word to describe itself, rule by prole is never going to be long term thing bc you will always get in the end those who rule and those who are ruled.
timber linden
Well muh college professor said communism is....
unkempt garden
Bad
burnt scarab
https://bsky.app/profile/usni.org/post/3mh2jdrlqbc23 No, JFK
One more year for Nimitz
subtle prawn
spice idol
Convoy PQ17
spice idol
Convoy PQ17
So, out of the entire Convoy PQ17 of 35 ships, only 11 made it to Murmansk.
and these are transport ones
spring briar
Why
remote monolith
four ignored messages wonder who could that be
desert agate
English only also modern politics <@&472236072743600148>
autumn sorrel
four ignored messages wonder who could that be
Lol
unborn wyvern
There is nothing socialist about fascist economics and any honest reading of fas...
Nazi Germany's "Econmy" was like 85% Pryamid schemes and 25% cronyism lol
The only Socalism they had was in their name which was to trick left wing people into voting for them. It's the same logic as calling your tryanical dictatorship "The people's democratic republic of North by Northwestistan"
grave ravine
The only Socalism they had was in their name which was to trick left wing people...
There had been a socialist wing of the party (centered on Rohm), but they were purged shortly after Hitler seized power
With as mentioned the Nazi state ultimately working hand in glove with industrial leaders in what was basically pure cronyism
unborn wyvern
Yeah. People say "Ah the nazis were socalist because they nationalize private industry!" But all those industries were immediately turned over to a government firm called "Reichswerke Hermann Göring" also private firms like Messerschmitt, Junkers, Porsche and Henschel bidded and competed for government contracts like in a market economy
The nazis used nationalization to steal industry from political opponents, Jews and other ethnic groups and as a threat to other private industry to stay in line or else
chilly flower
A prime example of that is Junkers; they placed Hugo Junkers under house arrest when he refused to assist in re-armament on the basis of treason, and when he died in 1935 his wife Therese Junkers complied with giving the company over to the RLM, who kept the name after the takeover like it was a puppeted husk
silver spire
today (well im on pst) 1938, Town class (Edinburgh-class) light-cruiser Belfast was launched
desert agate
Very cool museum
Of the museum ships I’ve been aboard id say Belfast is one of my favourites
grave ravine
Yeah Belfast is very neat, got to attend Drach's book launch there
desert agate
Definitely cooler than Mikasa
grave ravine
my personal favorite museum ship has to be Texas tho, since I live in Houston
desert agate
I’m hoping to (politics allowing) to head to the US for the olympics in a few years
Texas is on my travel itinerary
I think I’d rather do Texas than an Iowa but if I can I’ll do the nearest Iowa (presumably NJ)
Actually there’s an Iowa in California so I’ll probably do that one
grave ravine
The only Iowa I've done is Missouri, but I've done most of the carriers, as well as Alabama and a number of other ships
desert agate
A carrier is bucket list for me
desert agate
Tbf we have a landlocked submarine in Australia
grave ravine
A carrier is bucket list for me
Intrepid probably has the best plane collection on board, but its also in NYC and overrun with tourists
desert agate
grave ravine
Midway is cool bc its a Midway, the rest are all Essexes
grave ravine
desert agate
Intrepid is probably the one I want to see most, tourists be damned
Doubt I can fit the North East into my trip though
I think it’ll literally just be olympics in Cali and Texas, and maybe I can squeeze in Louisiana or smth
grave ravine
In corpus we have Lexington
also if you can make the trip out the Pacific War Museum in Fredericksburg is really nice
desert agate
Dream trip would be a motorcycle trip up the East Coast
Also Route 66 but that’s too cliche
grave ravine
yeah, there are some neat things to see, but also a lot of it is kinda blah
desert agate
Route 66 is the sort of trip I’d do as a retiree
The North East is cool because I can make my own track instead of just following one long road
grave ravine
The North East is cool because there is just so much in such a small area
(small for the US lmao)
desert agate
Yeah population density is similar to the South Coast in NSW
grave ravine
speaking of I would also love to make a trip out to Australia someday, what would you recommend in particular thats not as well known
desert agate
Depends on which coast you want to hit
I’ll always recommend Perth to any tourist
Most people go to Sydney or Melbourne but Perth has a lot more adventure imo
grave ravine
Is there good hiking out there?
desert agate
Oh yeah heaps
grave ravine
cool, thats always fun
desert agate
Day trips or longer?
grave ravine
I mostly do day trips, but I am down to do some backpacking
desert agate
Most famous day hike here is Bluff Knoll, did that with my girlfriend for sunset a few months ago (do it in summer not winter), it’s a 4-5 hour drive from Perth but the camping is well worth it
grave ravine
I'd also be interested in visiting the NE since I am dive certified
desert agate
Cape to cape hike is about 2 weeks, again a few hours from Perth but takes you through some really nice wine regions and some incredible views
Otherwise the bibbulmun track which is about 2 months to do
desert agate
I'd also be interested in visiting the NE since I am dive certified
Lots of cool dives off the Barrier Reef, but personally too many tourists
Ningaloo is actually the better reef, and it’s closer to shore so it’s much more accessible
grave ravine
don't really have the time right now for a long backpacking trip unfortunately
desert agate
2 day drive though
grave ravine
Lots of cool dives off the Barrier Reef, but personally too many tourists
Ningal...
well I'll definitely look into that
desert agate
Lots of cool dives off the Barrier Reef, but personally too many tourists
Ningal...
Right next to a US VLF station as well so if you’re looking for Americans Exmouth is the place to be to brush up your accent
grave ravine
lol
desert agate
Darwin > Katherine > Alice Springs is a good road trip
I’d recommend doing it in a group though if only for safety
Broome is cool because you can walk along the beach and see the wreckages of Dutch flying boats which were destroyed by the Japanese in 1942
grave ravine
Darwin > Katherine > Alice Springs is a good road trip
I’d recommend doing it in...
about how long would you say you should spend doing that
desert agate
It’s a minimum 2 day drive between Darwin and Alice but personally I’d say it’s better to do it in 3-4, more chill and less fatigue risk
Plus a day or 2 for Uluru
Then just fly Alice > Sydney > Home instead of driving back to Darwin
grave ravine
It’s a minimum 2 day drive between Darwin and Alice but personally I’d say it’s ...
reminds me of how I did a road trip with my family a few years ago where we spent about two weeks driving out to Death Valley, stopping at various parks along the route, and then did the drive home in 2 days
desert agate
I did the Nullabore in 4 days and immensely regret it
12 hour days, ~1200km a day
Not fun and you miss out on so much
grave ravine
talking about drives I regret, doing Houston to NYC in two days is just not fun
desert agate
Brisbane > Sydney in a day sucks, so many cool towns you just completely miss
grave ravine
12 hour days, ~1200km a day
Not fun and you miss out on so much
yeah when you start doing over like 1000km in a day it just starts really sucking
desert agate
I think my favourite road trip was Cape York because we took it slow and made sure to visit just about everything we saw
subtle prawn
desert agate
I think it’s important to note that this is basically formalising the present status quo
The NZDF acts as a support force for the ADF
they provide the ADF with additional logistical capabilities allowing the ADF to spend more on big ticket items
The RNZN buying the upgraded Mogamis is again just a continuation of existing policy
The NZDF selected the Anzac class specifically to allow commonality with the ADF, providing cost reduction
The RNZN also selected the Leander class in the 50s, of which the RAN operated a derivative, the River class, again for parts commonality and cost reduction
There’s nothing really new here beyond formalising the NZDFs desire to further pursue integration with the ADF
Yes the Kiwis are pacifists and seriously underfund their military, leaving the Australian taxpayer to effectively subsidise their defence, but they at least recognise that it isn’t a free ride
autumn sorrel
I’ll always recommend Perth to any tourist
Most people go to Sydney or Melbourne...
Is there any good modeling shop or hobby there for figures and models?
desert agate
Yes
autumn sorrel
Hmm, I think I would look them up if I ever go there
subtle prawn
desert agate
Here’s a bigger downgrade
subtle prawn
From something to nothing is kinda hard to beat actually…
spice idol
spice idol
The only ones who did not betray and did not accept the abdication of Nicholas II: Alexander Vasilyevich Kolchak, General Mikhail Drozdovsky, General Vladimir Oskarovich Kappel
spice idol
The only ones who did not betray and did not accept the abdication of Nicholas I...
The reasons for this are true about the monarchical views and faithful service to the Fatherland.
spice idol
On the night of July 16-17, 1918, the Bolsheviks executed Emperor of All Rus' and the Russian Empire Nicholas II, along with his family, in the city of Yekaterinodar. There is some debate in history as to whether the first fact is that Lenin gave the order to execute the Imperial Family, and the second fact is that the Bolsheviks, due to drunkenness, decided to conduct their own trial of the Imperial Family. However, the truth is that the Whites were close to Yekaterinodar and sent detachments to rescue the entire family of Nicholas II from captivity.
spice idol
spice idol
The Last Parade of the White Army
mental tapir
7 blocked messages, wonder what could they be 
spice idol
7 blocked messages, wonder what could they be <:NagaThonk:721896665174376539>
where exactly?
spring briar
✨
vital hornet
Hi guys
spice idol
)
mellow osprey
hi
subtle prawn
spice idol
This is who we owe the victory of France in the First World War to, and you think that you defeated the Germans in France, along with the British
runic ermine
This is who we owe the victory of France in the First World War to, and you thin...
The Russian Expeditionary Force?
autumn sorrel
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2026/03/frances-next-generation-aircraft-ca...
Her sister ship: Vichy France
desert agate
The Russian Expeditionary Force?
Don't engage with the 50 ruble army
He's not worth your time
spice idol
The Russian Expeditionary Force?
Yes
spice idol
@spring briar What hurts the eyes is the truth and how the French cowardly left Odessa
timber linden
<@450678921512353792> What hurts the eyes is the truth and how the French coward...
Imagine my shock
runic ermine
X
spice idol
Imagine my shock
Tell the reason
autumn sorrel
Tell the reason
White Army are a bunch of failures that have no hope of winning the civil war. Why supporting a failed causes and throw away lives for them.
subtle prawn
subtle prawn
spice idol
White Army are a bunch of failures that have no hope of winning the civil war. W...
You vile creature, I'll kill you for such words.😠😠😡
spice idol
White Army are a bunch of failures that have no hope of winning the civil war. W...
And to say who you really are, you are a piece of shit, you think you have become someone and now you think you can judge someone, no, you are now just a piece of shit with honors.
autumn sorrel
And to say who you really are, you are a piece of shit, you think you have becom...
"with no honors"
Хотя бы используй программу перевода получше.
spice idol
"with no honors"
It's true that someone like you has neither pride nor honor, because because of you we lost to the French and the British, you only want to destroy and steal Russia.
spice idol
Хотя бы используй программу перевода получше.
А с каких пор стал ты говорить на русском
autumn sorrel
Когда мне захочется.
spice idol
Когда мне захочется.
Сам ты по идеи кто?
remote monolith
it is interesting that this channel been completely filled with ignored messages
autumn sorrel
it is interesting that this channel been completely filled with ignored messages
Bless be you, I just don't block people by principle so I have to read it all
It is a bit jarring to read Russian translate to English words for words without proper format
eternal veldt
Wow, much moderation effort going on here. Outright insults and threats and nobody has stepped in.
spring briar
Ap cap from a shell from USS Massachussetts recovered on Le Malin
unborn wyvern
Wow, much moderation effort going on here. Outright insults and threats and nobo...
To be fair those messages were sent at 4am EST, the CORRECT timezone
remote monolith
Wow, much moderation effort going on here. Outright insults and threats and nobo...
oh those were insults and threats? Damn
makes me even more glad I didn't bother to see them
spring briar
The nationalism olympics
subtle prawn
subtle prawn
Wow, much moderation effort going on here. Outright insults and threats and nobo...
I thought about saying something earlier, but I didn't care enough to
versed tree
The nationalism olympics
I wonder
Can our shipgirl Secretary be considered "Aide"?
Aide to Flag Officer
autumn sorrel
Ap cap from a shell from USS Massachussetts recovered on Le Malin
The cap from the 16inch shell deformed that much?
spring briar
Before answering that
Do you know what the cap on a 16” Mk.8 mod 1 looks like when fresh out of the box?
spring briar
Wait, it is round?
spring briar
Yeah
autumn sorrel
Hmm, how does the fuze works? I kinda still studying artillery fuze and I currently still only read about mid 19th century Hotchkiss fuze.
grave ravine
Does anyone know what Kizu and Nayoro are supposed to be
Their art looks like 5500 tonners
naive crag
Does anyone know what Kizu and Nayoro are supposed to be
They're cancelled Sendai's
spiral cedar
Hmm, how does the fuze works? I kinda still studying artillery fuze and I curren...
Mark 21 BDF:
Except for the dimensions noted (threads and threaded length), the Base Detonating Fuze Mk 21 is like the Mk 19, and has practically the same operation; however, this fuze is designed with an additional plunger locking unit. The plunger body is drilled in four places, and four balls are placed in the holes. On forward motion of the plunger and under centrifugal action, the locking balls fly out of their recesses into the forward or larger diameter portion of the body, locking the plunger in the forward position. This locking feature is provided to insure alignment of booster lead-ins and detonator lead-outs during the long delay period, when the projectile is subjected to violent shocks of penetration.
The detent springs in this fuze are considerably weaker than those used in the Base Detonating Fuze Mk 28.
The Mod 1 of this fuze is identical to the Mod 0, except that it is fully moisture resistant.
Mark 19 and 21 BDF
Mark 21 BDF is the standard base fuze for delay-action USN shells of WWII
grave ravine
They're cancelled Sendai's
Huh, wiki doesn't have those names for the cancelled Sendais
naive crag
Huh, wiki doesn't have those names for the cancelled Sendais
The wiki doesn't cite the ship list at all, if you notice.
In any case, it's possible that Kamo, Kizu, and Nayoro are the same ships as Ayase, Minase, and Otonase. They were "retainer names" similar to Germany's "Ersatz" naming system.
Manjuu may have confused them, as the 8-6 and 8-8 programs were complicated by budget and the WNT.
Ayase, Minase, and Otonase, likewise, were retainer names for the Nagara-class, and became Kinu, Yura, and Abukuma.
grave ravine
In any case, it's possible that Kamo, Kizu, and Nayoro are the same ships as Aya...
Thx
autumn sorrel
Mark 19 and 21 BDF
Hmm, I do see some Hotchkiss vestige here, the additional locking for plunger are nice design, safer for transport and when screw on the shell. Does they screw on the shell during combat where new shell are load up from the magazine?
spiral cedar
The fuze should be installed in the shell out of the factory and is left in the shell until it strikes the target. Though I think it can be removed for maintenance and inspection
autumn sorrel
Huh, the safety mechanism must be really good then
spiral cedar
Huh, the safety mechanism must be really good then
Note the first sentence of the second paragraph
Only AA Common and Common shells may need fuze adjustments after being issued (and they don't use the Mark 21 BDF)
desert agate
<@&460646206851252224> can you guys please do something about the 50 Ruble army meeting in this channel? Don’t need the propaganda nor the non-usage of English
bold trail
<@&460646206851252224> can you guys please do something about the 50 Ruble army ...
I get the desire the be sassy, but if you going to tag admins, we would appreciate if you explain what you need more specifically instead of vagueposting I now need to go on a quest to figure out.
subtle prawn
desert agate
I get the desire the be sassy, but if you going to tag admins, we would apprecia...
Since the minute this guy joined the channel he’s done nothing but spout propaganda, slop content and ahistorical bullshit
And that’s ignoring the Russian posting no one understands
Nobody here wants to see it, it’s not good for the channel and its bad for everyone
It’s not the first time I’ve pinged staff over this
bold trail
thanks, I'll look into it
autumn sorrel
https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/NHC/NewPDFs/USN/USN%20Manuals%20and%20Reports/U...
Nice, I think I could use this
Do you have something about the Naval gunnery during 1850s per chance?
spiral cedar
thanks, I'll look into it
It's also not just "history topics other people aren't interested in," it's non-historical movie scenes, AI-generated images, and YouTube videos of modern-day political commentary, interspersed with Russian-language text in violation of server rules as well as random aggressive insults directed at other server members without any historical purpose besides that the guy doesn't like being disagreed with. The fellow's chat history in this channel is devoid of anything that could be called historical primary source material or reliable secondary source material, and is much more reminiscent of someone whose main goal is to push a contemporary political agenda and get into arguments instead of have grounded history discussions
spiral cedar
Do you have something about the Naval gunnery during 1850s per chance?
Unfortunately, not really. You can probably check out writings by the Bureau of Ordnance that do retrospective histories of itself, and you can check the ordnance pamphlet (OP) series index for a list of topics, but they usually start in the very late 19th century rather than the mid-19th. Others may have better knowledge of that period to reference
autumn sorrel
Damn, they have the record but none of those are digitized
bold trail
It's also not just "history topics other people aren't interested in," it's non-...
definitely an interesting history, I found like multiple warnings worth of infraction in there, feel free to tag me if it happens again in the future
desert agate
It's also not just "history topics other people aren't interested in," it's non-...
Thank you for being more succinct than me
mental tapir
desert agate
X
versed tree
Was this Cruiser Helicopter was any good ?
yes
autumn sorrel
Depends on the mission type
Jean have more stand off attack with her Exocet but Moskva just cheat with ASW and launch nuclear depth charge at any sub that her Kamov can find.
Plus, Moskva have better AA so she can act as Task force leader for smaller ship
autumn sorrel
Oh wait, I forgot, Goblet can also hit ship. Yeah, Moskva just better
versed tree
Which one is better?
yes
narrow cloak
Oh wait, I forgot, Goblet can also hit ship. Yeah, Moskva just better <:EssexWhe...
How about Iwo Jima? What difference of Moskva and Iwo Jima
chilly osprey
Mosvka was, frankly, just shit
Hence why the Soviets only built two of them and gave up on the type.
The greatest limitation of this hangar and flight deck arrangement was the relative inefficiency compared to a traditional full-deck carrier. There was only space on the flight deck to launch or recover four aircraft at any one time. This was sufficient for the design requirements, which were based around maintaining a smaller number of aircraft round-the-clock. However, the limited space prevents efficient surging of the air group, and the low freeboard forced central elevators, rather than more efficient deck edge designs. The Soviet Navy found the aviation facilities of the Moskva-class limited and insufficient for its role. The third ship in the class was to be built to a differing specification, Project 1123.3, 2000 tons heavier, 12m longer and focused on improving the ship’s air defenses and aviation facilities.13 Project 1123.3 was cancelled before being laid down and focus shifted to the more promising Project 1143, the four ship Kiev-class aircraft carriers.
Among the chief reasons for the cancellation of all further development of the Moskva-class was the design’s terrible seakeeping. The very fine bow pounded in rough seas, shipping an enormous amount of water over the bow.14 On sea trials in 1970, Moskva went through a storm with a sea state of 6, meaning 4-6m (13-20ft) wave height calm-to-crest. For the duration of the storm the navigation bridge 23m (75 ft) above the waterline was constantly flooded.
The Moskva-class also had a broad, shallow, round-sided cross-section aft. This caused issues with roll stability in all but moderate seas. This meant that flight operations could be conducted only up to a sea-state of 5, or 2.5-4m (8-13 ft) waves, especially when combined with the excessive pounding in waves. In addition, the class shipped so much water over the bow that the weapons suite was inoperable in heavy seas and prone to damage at sea state 6. The Moskva-class failed to meet the requirements for seakeeping set by the Soviet Navy. It could not effectively fight in bad weather, a fatal flaw for ships designed to hunt enemy submarines in the North Atlantic.
chilly osprey
How about Iwo Jima? What difference of Moskva and Iwo Jima
They are two completely different types of ships. The Moskva-class were designed to be submarine hunters, the Iowa Jima-class were LPH's designed for amphibious assault.
Broadly speaking, the lesson of Cold War helicopter cruisers was that they were ok solutions if you did not have the ability to pursue a carrier, but were fundamentally compromises between the competing demands of a carrier and surface combatant. It was generally better to split out the dedicated aviation capability to a dedicated carrier as soon as possible, and allow the guided missile portion of the ship's role to be placed on dedicated surface combatants.
The French for example simply never followed through on installing the planned Masurca SAM system on Jeanne d'Arc, and instead used her planned system to convert the gun cruiser Colbert into a guided missile cruiser.
The Italians, after having built three helicopter guided missile cruisers (Andrea Doria-class and Vittorio Veneto decided, after pursuing a variety of hybrid designs for a planned sister to Vittorio Veneto, to opt for a dedicated aircraft carrier, which became Giuseppe Garibaldi.
narrow cloak
The French for example simply never followed through on installing the planned M...
So is Cruiser Helicopter was good than Moskva?
autumn sorrel
Mosvka was, frankly, just shit
Come now, Moskva might be shit in the North Atlantic but she is perfectly suited for operation in the Med and for ASW role that she was intended for, it is enough.
chilly osprey
So is Cruiser Helicopter was good than Moskva?
Moskva was a helicopter cruiser, she just wasn't a very good one.
autumn sorrel
I do think that her design is somewhat perfect for an escort group leader in the Med, Red Sea and calmer sea routes.
4 Helicopters is more than enough to provide surveillance and performing SaR.
Plus, with modern equipment, a lot of system can be replace and lighten the work load of CIC
chilly osprey
Come now, Moskva might be shit in the North Atlantic but she is perfectly suited...
Right, problem is they were designed for the North Atlantic, not the Mediterranean.
They were supposed to be able to hunt NATO SSBNs patrolling with the Polaris A-1 around or north-east of the GIUK gap.
The combination of their inferior seakeeping along with the inability of Soviet surface ASW forces being able to project far enough into the Atlantic to hunt SSBNs equipped with later versions of Polaris is what lead them to be relegated to the Mediterranean, where their seakeeping problems were less of an issue and where NATO SSBNs on patrol there were in more confined waters.
autumn sorrel
Right, problem is they were designed for the North Atlantic, not the Mediterrane...
I am not disputing that, just saying that the later career of the class in the Med is considered "good".
Yeah, not being able to to perform aggressive sub hunting in NA is certainly a failure.
chilly osprey
Right, I suppose the point is that if you cannot perform your intended design role, that is a critical failure of the design. The Soviets were never going to junk completed ships by that era, so they still made use of them - but had to work around their flaws, including the distinctly suboptimal aviation setup. And poor seakeeping was still an issue in the Mediterranean.
subtle prawn
runic ermine
It's also not just "history topics other people aren't interested in," it's non-...
Like I would have been down with talking about the REF but if he's just gonna be an asshole idk if there would be anything to discuss
eternal veldt
In any case, it's possible that Kamo, Kizu, and Nayoro are the same ships as Aya...
They are proposed Sendai class names.
Sources dispute, but the Japanese side lists the ships as follow-ons to Ayase and Minase
gaunt owl
I see
remote monolith
<@&472236072743600148> scammer, again
nova iceBOT
member must be a mention or valid user id.
narrow cloak
I do think that her design is somewhat perfect for an escort group leader in the...
Would it design good for Atlantic Oceans and Pacific Ocean? Or make use in South China Sea?
past canyon
since this chat is technically the closest thing to discuss such matters, any PLAN nerds here who has an idea of what a Fujian CSG would look like?
also how would 054s be utilized doctrinally
autumn sorrel
Would it design good for Atlantic Oceans and Pacific Ocean? Or make use in South...
No, like Phoenix said, Moskva hull shape make the class unstable in Turbulent Sea and all 3 area you just mentioned are anything but calm.
narrow cloak
No, like Phoenix said, Moskva hull shape make the class unstable in Turbulent Se...
Okay then
Is there was any good soviet warship?
autumn sorrel
On what category?
chilly osprey
since this chat is technically the closest thing to discuss such matters, any PL...
PLAN CSGs tend to be very DDG-heavy, like USN CSGs, as the Type 052D and Type 055 series are simply their best blue water combatants and are capable of the full spectrum of naval warfare.
That said you do tend to see at least a couple of Type 054A frigates in those CSGs, to provide inner layer air defense (and presumably at least one of them is acting as plane guard).
subtle prawn
runic ermine
fervent plank
looks like she's conducting flight ops given the density of the steam coming out the funnel
as well as the transmission masts being down
fervent plank
as well as the transmission masts being down
@honest raven thoughts on this here
honest raven
If the transmission lines are in the down position and it looks like she’s hauling ass and I concur
timber linden
Wife always looks good
fervent plank
Got a history question anyone know if uss Smith was Enterprise's plane guard destroyer during the battle of the Santa Cruz Islands?
subtle prawn
unkempt garden
he gave my grandfather an official commendation
for killing 5 propagandist, capturing 3 and more
my granps was insane
infortunately i never met him
woeful heath
idk where to put
but they do have some historical discussions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0U_hk3FV0w
also yes Ryan
explaining what AL is to 70-80 year old board member IS an experience
runic ermine
also yes Ryan
explaining what AL is to 70-80 year old board member IS an experi...
Did he actually do that?
woeful heath
Did he actually do that?
27:19
is when Ryan explains the AL collab
however just a gist of it
desert agate
idk where to put
but they do have some historical discussions
https://www.youtu...
Drach isn’t really a fan of AL or anything like that
woeful heath
Drach isn’t really a fan of AL or anything like that
That I know. The AL discussion is just a couple minutes short compared to the entire video
Even then
Drach doesn't say much in that part. Just Ryan
subtle prawn
subtle prawn
desert agate
subtle prawn
lime scarab
Apperently the lost 52 project has found there new wreaks
They have pictures of uss bonefish she looks like in shallow water
The only think I can find is uss drexler
It’s a scan of her
subtle prawn
unborn wyvern
Life or death for Ajaxboy
"Life!"
"DEATH!"
subtle prawn
autumn sorrel
Nimrod, clearly
runic ermine
Why did France get it's ass kicked in the Franco-Prussian war?
autumn sorrel
Poor planning and inefficient mobilization system.
remote monolith
poor planning, much slower mobilization, disadvantages in artillery among others
grave ravine
I propose the Short Sturgeon as another contender
lapis eagle
all of them
lapis eagle
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/fate-of-troubled-ajax-vehicle-to-be-announced-af...
Literally ajax moment
it already have a problems at the start
subtle prawn
woeful heath
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2026/03/japan-lays-keel-of-both-asev-missil...
Quite fun to know that the first ASEV is just a few drydocks away from Musashi's Drydock
And it's funny that they have like a given title as "Yamato-of-Reiwa" and "Musashi-of-Reiwa" because of that fatass 20,000 tonnes BMD platform preliminary design
woeful heath
And it's funny that they have like a given title as "Yamato-of-Reiwa" and "Musas...
Granted I found that some refer to the second one as "Musashi-of-Reiwa" because of Japanese internet.
Meanwhile "Yamato-of-Reiwa" has been mentioned in global forums apparently. But not that much
subtle prawn
I thought they revised the design to just be a slightly bigger Maya-class
woeful heath
I thought they revised the design to just be a slightly bigger Maya-class
Yeah.
That's the thing, they revised it to a bigger Maya
Apparently it still stayed with them
Honestly
If they stuck with that 20,000 design. It's very silly, but I do see the logic behind it despite it is impractical
And hey, 20,000 tonnes surface combatant and a 20,000 CVL does sound like a great pair (Izumo class)
woeful heath
And a plus side
There was a fictional Japanese Carrier named Shinano on an obscure one shot manga that used the designation DDH-184
5 years before JMSDF used the designation for the JS Kaga DDH-184
What a funny coincidence
This title apparently
超時空DDH ヘリ母艦南海の決戦』
架空艦「DDH-184 しなの」が登場。第二次世界 大戦時にタイムスリップし、本来の史実にはな かった東京への原爆投下が起きることを知った ため、それを阻止するため旧アメリカ海軍と対 決する。
twilit geyser
I thought they revised the design to just be a slightly bigger Maya-class
It's not. It has no lineage to the 27DDG or the 14DDG designs.
twilit geyser
And a plus side
There was a fictional Japanese Carrier named *Shinano* on an ob...
It's pretty common when you think about it. There were multiple models and what-if designs that had Nimitz dimension supercarrier that was the biggest ever designated CVN-78 way in the late 1990s/early 2000s, years before the culmination of the CVNX/CVN-21 program.
woeful heath
It's pretty common when you think about it. There were multiple models and what-...
In the story.
It's a fictional Hyuga class. So unfortunately nothing special
Some alternate universe of Japan made of 4 Instead of 2 Hyuga class
woeful heath
In the story.
It's a fictional Hyuga class. So unfortunately nothing special
Granted.
This was made like a year before the Izumo class was announced
narrow cloak
On what category?
Sorry late comment
But like good design for combat a
What mission of this ship good act
twilit geyser
Not sure if that’s optimal at all even. Your flight deck consists of an elevator which suggests there’s a hangar below, but the flight deck isn’t raised by 2 decks heights to facilitate aircrafts of the time period. In fact I think the suggested hangar will conflict with the machinery areas aft.
You also for some reason have a Cold War whip antenna at the bow?
spice idol
https://youtu.be/RR1trecglQ8?is=I9qBPvGhKh32wzrV
The 1993 Russian constitutional crisis, also known as the 1993 October Coup, Black October, the Shooting of the White House or Ukase 1400, was a political stand-off between the Russian president Boris Yeltsin and the Russian parliament that was resolved by military force. The relations between the president and the parliament had been deteriorating for some time.
The power struggle reached its crisis on 21 September 1993, when President Yeltsin intended to dissolve the country's highest body (Congress of People's Deputies) and parliament (Supreme Soviet), although the constitution did not give the president the power to do so. Yeltsin justified his orders by the results of the referendum of April 1993.
In response, the parliament declared the president's decision null and void, impeached Yeltsin and proclaimed vice president Aleksandr Rutskoy to be acting president. On 3 October, demonstrators removed police cordons around the parliament and, urged by their leaders, took over the Mayor's offices and tried to storm the Ostankino television centre. The army, which had initially declared its neutrality, stormed the Supreme Soviet building in the early morning hours of 4 October by Yeltsin's order, and arrested the leaders of the resistance. At the climax of the crisis, Russia was thought by some to be "on the brink" of civil war. The ten-day conflict became the deadliest single event of street fighting in Moscow's history since the Russian Revolution.
According to the General Prosecutor's Office, 147 people were killed and 437 wounded.
subtle prawn
spice idol
https://fxtwitter.com/JMSDF_PAO/status/2037370223301623830
This is not history
subtle prawn
It's still warship related enough that it gets a pass
spice idol
It's still not historical in my opinion.
twilit geyser
It’s one of the first ever, does that not qualify as making history?
spiral cedar
autumn sorrel
Sorry late comment
But like good design for combat a
Well, Soviet Missile Corvettes are generally very good at their job
remote monolith
No way someone is complaining about NAVAL history and development in a server about NAVAL warfare and NAVY ships
Might be a the first in the history of this entire channel
eternal veldt
Anything I dislike is not history ™
narrow cloak
Well, Soviet Missile Corvettes are generally very good at their job
Tarantul-class corvette?
spice idol
Well then this changes everything completely.
autumn sorrel
Tarantul-class corvette?
Most classes
Soviet are very competent at designing compact but heavily armed ship that fit into their coastal defense strategy
narrow cloak
Soviet are very competent at designing compact but heavily armed ship that fit i...
How about Submarine?
narrow cloak
Some good, most bad
What do you think of this ship
autumn sorrel
Someone having existential crisis.
narrow cloak
Someone having existential crisis.
Apparently it was make for jet takeoff
unborn wyvern
HMAS Sydney anchored in Vung Tao unloading reinforcements
3 Feb 1968
Alternate title:
US Marines STEAL truck from brave and loyal Australian allies!!!
autumn sorrel
https://x.com/ausambvn/status/2037795915185246364?s=46
I do hope that VPN start to work with more foreign partner in shipbuilding and supply chain. Nothing major have really materialize after the SIGMA deal went out and with Russia and Ukraine unable to provide the engine, any project that heavier than 150 tons have been painfully slow.
desert agate
Alternate title:
US Marines STEAL truck from brave and loyal Australian allies!!...
I don't believe the USMC operated the CH-54?
AWM caption says US Army
desert agate
I do hope that VPN start to work with more foreign partner in shipbuilding and s...
If the Australian Sovereign shipbuilding plan is actually going to work, we will need to focus on the export market
RAN simply cannot maintain the demand that a persistent shipbuilding capability will require, countries like the Philippines and Vietnam are ideal export partners
subtle prawn
autumn sorrel
If the Australian Sovereign shipbuilding plan is actually going to work, we will...
I don’t think VPN will buy Mogami from Australian as they prefer to buy directly from Mitsubishi due to previous agreements and deals. But Arafura OPV class certainly an appealing option. Although any deal will include clause that requires a number of ships to be build in VPN shipyard.
burnt scarab
What do you think of this ship
This thing is badarse
subtle prawn
lapis eagle
https://theaviationist.com/2026/03/28/germany-considering-mq-28a-ghost-bat/
I wish they just make it carry more
runic ermine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTZaW8M0Sbo
Legendary crossover
desert agate
I wish they just make it carry more
It carries plenty for what it's designed for
It's not an arsenal plane, it's a force multiplier
subtle prawn
Bluesky
desert agate
HMAS Melbourne and USS Enterprise
At the time, the worlds largest and smallest aircraft carriers
American Skyhawk pilots often refused to land on Melbourne because she was too small for them
subtle prawn
burnt scarab
I'm wondering would the new USS Enterprise will come.. I havent heard anything from the US Navy yet
mental tapir
I don't think she'd be ready for another three years at least
Shipbuilding takes time, especially supercarriers, and US shipbuilding is kind of in a not very good state right now
Especially with the procurement fumbles
twilit geyser
Yeah she’s slated for launch round 2029 IIRC
mental tapir
If anything I think the PLAN may get their Type 004 first
twilit geyser
Plus with some modifications that are unique to her that the first two sisters don’t have yet.
So the delays are to be expected
burnt scarab
So the delays are to be expected
Oh geez, delays has been happening a lot lately. Even here the new metro line is delayed for heaven sake...
Ship building is bad ? For heaven sake
surreal verge
This is why I LOVE researching WW2 History, I was today years old when I learned about Typhoon Cobra.
Typhoon Cobra, also known as the Typhoon of 1944 or Halsey's Typhoon (Which was baned after Admiral William Halsey Jr.), was the US Navy designation for a rather powerful tropical cyclone that hit the US Pacific Fleet in December of 1944, during WW2. Typhoon Cobra sank three Destroyers, killed 790 Sailors, damaged nine other Warships, and swept dozens of Aircraft overboard off of Aircraft Carriers.
Just some starting info to see if it interest any of you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoon_Cobra
https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/typhoon-cobra-halsey-versus-mother-nature
runic ermine
Who wants to talk about the Red Terror of Spain?
unkempt garden
Godamn i love french tanks, goofy but insanely good
umbral pasture
Godamn i love french tanks, goofy but insanely good
if only they locked in
unkempt garden
if only they locked in
Germany was also really lucky
umbral pasture
Germany was also really lucky
Germany's performance in ww2 is overrated
unkempt garden
French soldiers could take on 10 germans soldiers alone
spring briar
In a fight right?
umbral pasture
In a fight right?
i hope so...🤣
autumn sorrel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db-JxEwK5Ng
HE LIVES
runic ermine
Godamn i love french tanks, goofy but insanely good
This thing sucks in War Thunder
twilit geyser
Oh geez, delays has been happening a lot lately. Even here the new metro line is...
Delays always happen, even during wartime, even legendary classes of ships like the Perries and Spruance-classes suffered construction delays, so did the Nimitz-class.
But unlike modern procurement shenanigans the US Navy suffered from the LCS, FFG-62 and DDG-1000 programs, the Fords are a bit justified. Especially Enterprise as she'll be F-35 integrated, have SEWIP Block IIIs, possibly have ADLs and a myriad of more obscure stuff her first two sisters don't have.
I'm attempting to arrange her as well based on what the USN wants on her atp, so you could have this for visualization
Ford and JFK to compare
burnt scarab
subtle prawn
unkempt garden
This thing sucks in War Thunder
Its the FCM36 SA18 in war thunder not the one in this picture
twilit geyser
twilit geyser
peak mango
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqmKhFXAjZA
Huh didn't know about this one. Ahead of it's time.
subtle prawn
timber linden
https://bsky.app/profile/covertshores.bsky.social/post/3mifxuyikxk2x
Temu version of a blue print
twilit geyser
remote monolith
and so humans returned to the final frontier after half a century
autumn sorrel
and so humans returned to the final frontier after half a century
10 yrs from now and we will start slinging missile at each others in low earth orbit
timber linden
To the moon
subtle prawn
spice idol
https://youtu.be/aQ2j7RW0MxI?is=xSK8KuSo1HeohwJl
Vladimir Kirillovich Romanov (August 17 (30), 1917, Borgo, Nyland Governorate, Grand Duchy of Finland – April 21, 1992, Miami, Florida, USA) was a socio-political figure among the Russian émigrés, the third child and only son of Grand Duke Kirill Vladimirovich, who proclaimed himself Emperor of All the Russias in 1924, and Grand Duchess Victoria Feodorovna (née Princess of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, Great Britain, and Ireland). A prince of the imperial blood from 1917, but not declared as such due to the inactivity of Russia's monarchical institutions, he received the title of Grand Duke from his father in 1924, and from 1938 he was a pretender to the Russian throne and head of the Russian Imperial House.
In 1939, he remained the only Romanov not to have entered into a morganatic marriage.
He lived in the villa "Coeur Argonide," built by his parents, in the town of Saint-Briac in the Breton department of Ille-et-Vilaine in western France. Due to the outbreak of World War II, he was unable to complete his studies at London University, but he received a comprehensive private education and also completed the General Staff Course. In addition to Russian, he was fluent in English, French, Spanish, and German.
Unlike his father, he did not proclaim himself emperor, using the title "His Imperial Highness the Sovereign Grand Duke" for the rest of his life. However, among his supporters, he was known as "Emperor de jure Vladimir III."
Shortly before the outbreak of World War II, in 1938, Vladimir Kirillovich Romanov rejected suggestions that he could become "Regent of Ukraine," unwilling to separate Ukraine from the common country, which he still considered the Russian Empire. Such speculation arose among the Russian émigré community in Paris, which hoped that Nazi Germany would help enthrone Grand Duke Vladimir as Ruler of Ukraine in exile, thereby weakening the Soviet Union.
After the start of Operation Barbarossa, the Germans were interested in the support of former White Russians, many of whom were monarchists, for the war against the Soviet Union. Therefore, attempts were made to persuade the main contender for the Russian throne to cooperate. In early 1941, Vladimir Kirillovich's "appeal" to the émigrés was widely discussed in émigré circles, calling for them to join the "crusade against communism-Bolshevism." However, the Third Reich prohibited the dissemination of this document, as well as any other independent expression of political will, under threat of internment for the author, and Ribbentrop specifically called for increased surveillance of the Grand Duke's family.[9] Many members of the Grand Duke's entourage were subsequently imprisoned in concentration camps. Historian and director of Maria Vladimirovna's chancery, Alexander Zakatov, historian Stanislav Dumin, and the chargé d'affaires of the Russian Imperial House, lawyer German Yuryevich Lukyanov, maintain that this appeal contains nothing more than the mere fact of acknowledging the outbreak of war and calling for this moment to be used to liberate Russia from Bolshevism. They also note that Vladimir Kirillovich had always made similar calls, including during the period of overtly warm relations between the leadership of the USSR and Germany.
In 1942, Vladimir Kirillovich, according to a New York Times obituary, refused to support an appeal to Russian émigrés or to speak out in support of German troops in the East. During the war, the Grand Duke provided assistance to Soviet prisoners of war held in concentration camps on the island of Jersey.
In 1944, the Prince obtained permission to move to Germany, to Amorbach Castle in Bavaria, which belonged to the husband of his elder sister, Maria Kirillovna, Charles III of Leiningen.
On the night of May 2-3, 1945, Vladimir Kirillovich arrived in the Principality of Liechtenstein. However, unlike the 1st Russian National Army, he and his retinue were denied asylum. Vladimir Kirillovich then traveled to Spain, where he was received by Generalissimo Franco. He subsequently lived alternately in Spain and France.
In 1952, Vladimir Kirillovich issued an appeal to Western countries, calling, among other things, on them to refrain from nuclear war against the USSR and, at the same time, to fight communism. However, this article was perceived in the West more as a call to war against the USSR.
Final Years
On December 9, 1969, he was awarded the Order of St. George, 1st Class, in honor of the 200th anniversary of its establishment.
According to the memoirs of Pyotr Koltypin-Wallovsky, "like Leonida Georgievna, he loved the theater, especially opera. He read a lot and, of course, was a keen race car driver; after all, he was an excellent driver himself."
He died in April 1992 while visiting the United States, in Florida, while giving a speech to American businessmen, urging them to provide economic assistance to a resurgent Russia.
In accordance with his will, his remains were brought to St. Petersburg. His Holiness Patriarch Alexy II of Moscow and All Rus', as head of the Russian Imperial House, performed his funeral service at St. Isaac's Cathedral in St. Petersburg. Vladimir Kirillovich is buried in the grand ducal crypt of the Peter and Paul Cathedral in St. Petersburg.
runic ermine
Today in history: The beginning of the Falklands War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_War
Also yesterday in history was the end of the Spanish Civil War
desert agate
Off the coast of Argentina, our Islands came to be
With eighteen hundred people, and a half a million sheep
The day they were invaded everybody learned the name
A barren little colony had got a bit of fame
We stocked our ships full of British beer and bullets
We mobilised the navy and we called up thе marines
We sailed two weeks 'til wе reached the Falkland Islands
So we could teach a lesson to those bloody Argentines
desert agate
Fun fact about the Andrew formerly known as Prince, he was nearly fragged in the Falklands
Everyone in the task force absolutely hated him
I think it's hard to find a person he didn't piss off at some point in his life
runic ermine
@desert agate also this gem
https://x.com/i/status/1918436557155107059
twilit geyser
The best carrier design that never was. CVNX Option 5. It featured a slight ski-jump and catapults, the design itself was derived from ECBL (Expanded Capability BaseLine), the combined pros and cons allowed for large aircrafts to launch at max efficiency with max payload weights. The design was preferred by NAVSEA, however Congress preferred funding an existing hull, the already weight compromised Nimitz-class hull modified to CVNX standards to alleviate costs since the Option 5 was slightly larger to accommodate future growth but required a slightly larger infrastructure to facilitate and construct it.
Because of that decision, the supposed future-proofed Gerald R. Ford-class are maxxing out their growth margins, just only 3 ships in of a planned 10 ship class.
burnt scarab
Thanks for sharing about the Falklands War Countryballs. It's absurd that Argentina could steal that terriority from the British
runic ermine
Thanks for sharing about the Falklands War Countryballs. It's absurd that Argent...
No problem
runic ermine
Thanks for sharing about the Falklands War Countryballs. It's absurd that Argent...
Also speaking of the Argentines are out in full force online today because it's their Remeberence Day which specifically coincides with the start of the war
runic ermine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16kVQ_n3ZVw&list=RD16kVQ_n3ZVw&start_radio=1
Apparently Australia gave up a CV so that it could be used in the war
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Invincible_(R05)
burnt scarab
I see, it's absurd that this Argentine General could just take an country that is already belong to the British. Yet they snatch it and claim it's theirs from the start. These people got no shame Countryball
desert agate
Apparently Australia gave up a CV so that it could be used in the war
https://en...
Gave it?
She was paid for and mere weeks from setting sail
The British government seized her under some wartime law and that was that
desert agate
I see, it's absurd that this Argentine General could just take an country that i...
Noticing some sarcasm going on here so just to set the record straight
Argentina has never owned the Falklands
Argentina has never had a legal claim to the Falklands
Argentina will never own the Falklands
fast hornet
Because of that decision, the supposed future-proofed *Gerald R. Ford*-class are...
The Ford class sucks >:(
burnt scarab
They never will Spon
desert agate
twilit geyser
https://x.com/latestinspace/status/2039703072071418074
Hopefully the issues with MS Outlook have been fixed
twilit geyser
The Ford class sucks >:(
Well yes and no at the same time. It’s the pinnacle of carrier design but it’s also not the best considering options like Option 5 and Option 4 exist. It’s limited by its very own design.
grave ravine
I mean while Option 5 absolutely would have been better the money was absolutely not there for infrastructure expansions what with the peace dividend and then GWOT
twilit geyser
Which was more of a political decision with the benefit of hindsight. With how Peace Dividend was handled and the setbacks it gave the military, it’s such a shame that Congress preferred to fund a modded Nimitz hull instead.
fast hornet
Well yes and no at the same time. It’s the pinnacle of carrier design but it’s a...
The ford is an unfortunate overpriced Nimitz class with a catapult system that’s questionable at best. If they had decided to go with the new plan of EMALS/Steam, and a better vacuum system for the heads, it would’ve definitely been a lot better. The flex deck in itself is actually incredibly sketchy and I could see it breaking down within the next year or two if not properly maintained. However emals does boast an incredible SGR, so I’ll give it that. Should’ve been worked on for longer tho
desert agate
has the Ford EMALS actually had any problems since becoming fully operational?
Also I think you're failing to consider that FOCS will always have problems, that's always going to be the case whether you're building a corvette or a supercarrier
But these issues exist to be fixed so later ships wont also suffer those problems
twilit geyser
The ford is an unfortunate overpriced Nimitz class with a catapult system that’s...
But it’s not though? The problems with EMALS were related with software, which put unnecessary stress on airframes beyond what was expected, but by 2020 and the Gerald R. Ford’s first deployment, this was fixed. Also what vacuums? EMALS utilizes linear induction motors and magnets to propel and launch aircrafts much higher than the older C-13-1s (100,000lbs v 80,000lbs) at the same speed with added length.
Flex deck? You mean the fantail?
They are also not just overpriced Nimitzes, compared the Nimitz herself, she’s ~$5.5b more, but against the newer member, the George H. W. Bush, which was $11b, there’s only a $2b price difference with an already fitted state-of-the-art radars like DBR/SPY-6 and AAG/EMALS
twilit geyser
has the Ford EMALS actually had any problems since becoming fully operational?
Nothing major. Her recent deployment and her sustained flight ops has shown EMALS is way better in continuous flight operations.
fast hornet
But it’s not though? The problems with EMALS were related with software, which p...
Vacuum as in VCHT system that’s being utilized and still hit or miss on the ship itself.
EMALs itself suffers from the fact it’s new and not fully fleshed out like they expected. The idea with the ford class was that it would have brand new tech that would make it a cut above the rest, but Nimitz classes have shown far more consistency. Last deployment was rough for us because everyone was still trying to figure out the ship and a lot of its nuances, while this deployment has been a bit more consistent on things yet still showing major flaws that should’ve been addressed from the maiden deployment.
Also not the fantail. The Fords flight deck is called a flex deck and is meant to help with sortie generation, but being inside the O3 sketches me out more than a Nimitz does.
The AAG is pretty solid though for the most part and I think has only had one or two sketchy moments.
late jungle
The new Gerald Ford class super carrier that's coming out in 2030 is going to be name USS Enterprise CVN-65
twilit geyser
Vacuum as in VCHT system that’s being utilized and still hit or miss on the ship...
The VCHT system had problems yes, but not due to the vacuum but it was due to them not being sectioned. VCHT was employed before such as the Perries, not at the scale as CVN-77 or CVN-78 took. CVN-79 and CVN-80 sections theirs and improves sewage layout.
EMALS has been fleshed out. The Nimitz-class has had far more consistency yes because they were involved in more prolonged operations, the Gerald R. Ford has not. EMALS is technologically superior to C-13, it’s either they implement it now or never. Also again, the sortie rate was because of the software issues dictating aircraft launch speeds and rearm, that has been fixed now and CVN-79 does not suffer like the Ford did.
I have never seen it been called a flex deck before, mainly because a flex deck is an entirely different thing? Anyways, what ‘sketchiness’? The 03 level or the gallery deck is below it, as seen on every US carrier since the Lexington-class and their layouts are practically similar.
fast hornet
Jet taxid over our PR shop and trapped our skipper in the shop for 15 minutes before they moved the bird
The deck literally flexes and it’s supposed to improve x y and z(also I am sorry for the many delayed responses)
I will concede the EMALs though. However I will die on the hill of VCHT itself being implemented was a terrible choice. I do like EMALs more than steam, though there are talks of future designs of the ford classes becoming hybrid EMALs/Steam. Which I heard will be implemented with either the enterprise or Doris miller, not the JFK because it’s supposed to be officially out of the yards and ready to be moved soon.
twilit geyser
I will concede the EMALs though. However I will die on the hill of VCHT itself b...
VCHT isn’t the problem as I said earlier. It’s been used on previous classes like the Perries, SpruCans and Burkes, even the Wasps use it and theirs are sectioned. The CVN-77 and CVN-78 did not have their sewage layout sectioned, hence if a toilet or sink is clogged, the entire ship is affected. CVN-79 improves upon this slightly and so will the coming ships greatly.
Trump’s executive order is meaningless, the Navy is not reverting and HII currently has no plans in reverting to the older C-13s, mainly because the Fords aren’t made for them, changes to the cats would be changes to the electrical layout and steam. As for EMALS + C-13, that would be terrible than full on C-13 or EMALS because directing steam from the reactors to the cats already takes up space that the Fords don’t have that’s simultaneously dedicated to EMALS.
Also JFK has been out for awhile now
fast hornet
VCHT isn’t the problem as I said earlier. It’s been used on previous classes lik...
I’m only speaking on things I’ve heard from the woodworks and the Smokepit, which is why I meant more hearsay than fact so I apologize if it came off like that. They’d have to gut a lot for steam but the ford also has somewhat a lot of space.
twilit geyser
I’m only speaking on things I’ve heard from the woodworks and the Smokepit, whic...
Yeah
fast hornet
JFKs done and completed its sea trials, but has no CAG attached to it yet. So yes, ship ready but has not become an actual carrier in its essence
It still has not done its official change of home port either which should be next year iirc.
twilit geyser
JFKs done and completed its sea trials, but has no CAG attached to it yet. So ye...
If all carriers after CVN-80 do get the AEW capability, they’ll be eating 2% into the allocated 10% weight margins for growth and DC. This isn’t including the expected aircraft growth once these ships operate a fleet of the eventual F/A-XX or radar/electronics upgrades. A single C-13 assembly weighs roughly 500 tons, you want combined or a full loadout with them, that’s like 2,000 tons already, so another 2%, it’ll only make the situation worse tbf.
There’s also discussions for replacing the Mk29 GMLSs for ADLs and the Navy is interested in a replacement, if this does go through, with the missiles, that’s an extra 100 tons more than the current ESSM launchers.
fast hornet
I agree 100%. No matter what it should be one or the other. I can only imagine the strain and workload for ABEs at that point to fix EMALs and Steam in itself.
Didn’t hear that about the replacement though, but I can’t imagine that won’t be implemented for another 10-20 years at least.
twilit geyser
Yes. It’s essentially a horizontally launched Mk41. As for what the Navy envisions what missiles are to be used with ADL besides ESSM is anyone’s guess
Although personally I think it’d be SM-6, revisiting the idea of self-defending carriers like what early preliminary designs for the John F. Kennedy (then CVAN-67) and the built Kitty Hawks with their Terrier missiles had showcased.
fast hornet
I think with how the world is evolving and carriers becoming more and more vulnerable due to anti ship tech becoming more advanced I would not surprised if they started moving towards self defense carriers. The only issue then comes down to would you rather have the carriers speed or its ability to defend itself in a better way
twilit geyser
Well the USN can have and has had both