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[echo onyx]

Revell kit, to be a bit more exact I'm talking about the paint job where the 2 gray colours meet..In my case I followed the manual so basically where the "boiler" in the rear is. On the Wilhelm Bauer (museum ship) and the promotional photo that Revell uses it is above that "boiler".

another interesting thing is that the Bauer only has 1 of those boilers while the kit has them on both sides

is it a modification? production thing..I don't know

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1850720324125434128

[echo onyx]

https://youtu.be/K3LEuDiLyuE

[narrow rover]

https://youtu.be/1YAA0HqYWqo?si=I2DuNy5sR8AicOe4
So this is Mark Felton's intro...

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1850978130665898258

[fierce sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usuLwvFdbFs

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/RoyalMarines/status/1850870126557471152

[burnt scarab]

Rest in Peace George

Yes Mitsumasa, I always hear that when I watch his shows. I watch his video regarding Russians in the Japanese army and the history of the JSDF

[fierce sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDU08BfNjGI

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLXN9Z0VnhY

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1851310493433995739

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD 1955, the deadliest peacetime naval disaster occurred when an explosion sank the Soviet battleship Novorossiysk (the former Royal Italian Navy Giulio Cesare), claiming 608 lives. An investigation concluded that the ship hit a Nazi mine that had been laid a decade earlier.

Twitter · Oct 29, 2024, 5:09 PM

[alpine onyx]

Surely, the mine hitting a ~35 year old battleship was only the smaller part of the equation

Biggest part was defo the turrets rusting into place, trust me bro

[eternal veldt]

I'd buy the Italian frogmen theory more than poor magazine discipline

Because that applies to Japan, not USSR

[autumn sorrel]

I mean, going that far to sink your old captured battleship is quite a spite moves

[eternal veldt]

Thats why its a conspiracy at its finest

Running into a mine is the "most probable"

And ships tend to do not so well when they touch a mine

[alpine onyx]

Especially if the ship is at no state of readiness. Just sitting, with likely most bulkheads open.

[loud comet]

is AA guns with twin mounting (or more), such as twin 40mm bofors only used on warships and doesn't used on ground?

[manic latch]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M42_Duster

[manic latch]

Krem when nobody's looking

[alpine onyx]

your greed will consume you one day

[unkempt sedge]

She was pretty much obsolete at that time anyway sadly. What use did they have for it? Plus, any captured ship you use will be a logistical nightmare to to lack of spare parts. Plus Italy was a NATO member then.

Though Italy DID have a huge hand and influence in Soviet ship design in the 1930's.

[junior jacinth]

[grave ravine]

I mean the ship was still the most powerful Soviet surface combatant at the time

[unkempt sedge]

Maybe in terms of firepower, but by the 1950's a rebuilt WW1 Dreadnought is not going to do much but being a giant bombardment vessel, however, they already had Project 68 and Project 68bis which could do that job just as fine.

[grave ravine]

Novorossiysk was absolutely a larger threat in a surface action than a Sverdlov

There were plenty of NATO 8" cruisers that could comfortably beat a Sverdlov, but not Novorossiysk

Unlike the Ganguts the ship had been upgraded enough to still be a very dangerous ship for anything short of a full size battleship, which the West only had so many of

[manic latch]

Training ship

Novo was going to be used as training ship for Stalingrad class crew irrc

Tho that idea died when Khrushchev cancelled the class after Stalin's death

[chilly osprey]

To be fair, if Novorossiysk ever were to sortie out into the Mediterranean... the Italians have two better versions of her to throw into that fight.

As Duilio and Andrea Doria stuck around until after she sank.

And then if you look at what else NATO had around the time of her loss;
the French have Jean Bart just about complete.

And Vanguard has only just gone into reserve.

Oh yeah and three of four Iowa's are still in active service.

[spring briar]

and Richie

[unkempt sedge]

Exactly. Novorossiysk really was not going to stand much of a chance. Not to mention carrier and land based airpower would have made quick work of her also.

I'm curious, did the USSR have domestic production for ammunition for Giulio Cesare's 320 mm Model 1934 main guns?

The AA I know was changed, but considering it was ment to be a training ship, it was probably not necessary.

[spring briar]

they did

2nd shell from the right

[unkempt sedge]

Perfect! That answers my question! Thanks!

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC5n72YsqcA

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1851756906571776058

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1851792048581443962

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1944, USS Belleau Wood was hit by a kamikaze. This image shows crew moving planes while others fight the fire. In the background, USS Franklin can be seen burning after also being hit by a kamikaze. 148 sailors died in the attacks but damage control saved both carriers.

Twitter · Oct 31, 2024, 1:03 AM

[narrow rover]

US damage control being the most based thing in existence be like:

[burnt scarab]

The number of US Sailors killed by Kamikaze was same number killed in the air raid over Germany Mitsumasa and Sipher

[desert agate]

stunning photo of HMNZS Manawanui after she ran aground and sank earlier this month

[autumn sorrel]

The one that got it hull breached, the engine room caught fire and then sunk?

I mean, it look shallow enough for a salvage operation but I don't think return the ship back to service even feasible or economically viable

[desert agate]

i dont believe she flooded when she ran aground initially

the problem with trying to salvage her is that salvage is very environmentally destructive and i think theyre trying to decide whether leaving her in place and just draining all the fuel will do less damage than removing her

[autumn sorrel]

Oh right, its sunk on a reef

Yeah, might as well leave it to be an artificial reef and drain whatever fuel still left

[burnt scarab]

There was a ship that was sunk after hit by a reef Dreadnaught. It's from the Royal Malaysia Navy. Saw that on local news. Didnt take the thought that reef could scratch ships now. I wonder are they that tall

[chilly osprey]

Reefs? Because they're often in relatively shallow water in the first place.

[narrow rover]

More often than not the question is how the heck it wasn't marked/how the heck the lookouts didn't fucking see it

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQEDCpzWjdI

[fierce sparrow]

https://bskyx.app/profile/rgpoulussen.bsky.social/post/3l7s4rncl6m2w

[narrow rover]

I swear, God has to apologize for giving Hitler the thickest plot armor of any significant person in the last century

Meanwhile key Japanese figures that could have potentially prevented at least a pacific war died off in honestly baffling ways
Minus Mitsumasa Yonai, but what can he do on his own. Not a lot

[timber linden]

Girl bossed

[desert agate]

It was marked and lookouts knew it was there

They had a major mechanical failure which caused them to lose power and the tidal current pushed them into the reef

[narrow rover]

Oof

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/WuMwyqfXciE?si=5oedylQ6zkqdGOJN

[narrow rover]

Hitler also had one

[desert agate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh-RMI5xi6E&ab_channel=NotAPoundForAirToGround

a bit odd that War Thunder doesnt have any AIM-4s

[junior jacinth]

[autumn sorrel]

How do modern AShM deal with chaff?

[shrewd pecan]

I want my delta dart already

[timber linden]

Another wehraboo super weapon that historical wasn't as good as remembered

[spring briar]

why is this a "super weapon"?

it's not

lol

[alpine onyx]

civilian airliner
pressed into service during wartime
"wehraboo super weapon"

[narrow rover]

It's just a normal weapon

[chilly osprey]

Crudely, by not being stupid.

Early radar seekers for anti-ship missiles were pretty dumb, with limited ability to effectively discriminate target ships from anything else that was big and metallic.

Thus, popping up chaff that was cut to lengths corresponding to the wavelength of the seeker they're meant to work against (typically X-band) would present a much larger and obvious target for the AShM to engage rather than the missile.

More modern AShMs have a variety of ways to deal with this. Many use higher frequency radars (Ku or Ka-band) with much better discrimination capabilities, and thanks to modern electronics much better processing power, to effectively distinguish between the kinds of targets they want to hit (a ship, or even specific classes) and random amorphous blobs of chaff. In some cases, even specific locations on a ship. These are harder to counter with chaff and where electronic attack systems step in, as far as softkill measures go (ideally they work together).

Additionally, some AShMs will incorporate Infrared Imaging Seekers (IIR) against which chaff is useless (and hence why ships carry IR decoys), or a dual seeker that incorporates both a radar seeker and IIR seeker.

[autumn sorrel]

So modern ship need to use both chaff and ECM to blind newer missile?

[chilly osprey]

That would depend on the missile inbound

For the most modern ships, usually the entire decoy and electronic warfare system is functioning as a completely integrated system, and reactions are going to vary depending on the exact threat detected.

Ex, chaff can be used effectively against some missiles.

But for something using an IIR rather than radar seeker both would have little function and you'd be firing an IR decoy instead.

[autumn sorrel]

So Chaff, Flares and ECM

Basically a fireworks show

[chilly osprey]

And for an AShM using a radar seeker that chaff will not be effective against, then the ship's electronic attack system comes into play, and if they have them will probably deploy active radar decoys.

[autumn sorrel]

Oh wait, they start using LIDAR as well

So I guess laser dazzler?

[chilly osprey]

And in some cases you get combined IR/RF decoys

Like Bullfighter

[chilly osprey]

Well, that actually is one of the functions of directed energy weapons.

You can use them to blind IIR seekers.

[autumn sorrel]

Decoys, like MOSS for sub?

[chilly osprey]

Think something like Nulka

Where it's a decoy you launch that hovers for a period and throws radar returns at the missile seeker to make it appear to be the ship

Or at least a more obvious version of the ship than the ship itself, given most modern ships have signature reduction measures to help make them less obvious than their decoys.

[autumn sorrel]

And what about AShM use TV guidance, like Kh-59?

[chilly osprey]

The AShM variant of Kh-59 doesn't use TV guidance.

It's not very practical for engaging warships.

[autumn sorrel]

I see, so it is still best to shot down the missile before it got close

Just curious, are there any Navy that actually equip their ship with all of those defensive measures or they mostly use chaff?

[chilly osprey]

This is pretty much always the case, yeah

Or you kill whatever can launch it before they can launch.

Which is what you aim for in naval warfare.

[autumn sorrel]

What is the call of incoming missile in USN CiC? Vampire or Spiker?

[chilly osprey]

Vampire

[chilly osprey]

I mean, it varies broadly but for any of the higher tier navies you have a mix of systems. You'd kind of have to be an idiot not to.

It's pretty common for most ships to have on-board electronic attack systems, though in some navies offboard jammers like Nulka are favored (for example, the British Royal Navy). Decoy launchers will usually carry both chaff and IR decoys at a minimum, though there are also combined IR/RF decoys now that combine functions and are taking over older ones. Pure RF chaff is sort of fading away on the most modern ships. And then the French are also pushing a new passive RF decoy method to replace chaff using corner reflectors.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2023/05/advanced-missile-decoys-by-lacroix-for-the-hellenic-navy/

[autumn sorrel]

I see

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv6FbmiRyCE

[runic ermine]

How are casualty estimates made?

[narrow rover]

I mean, military casualties is pretty easy. Since you'd know how many went into the battle and how many came out alive

Civilian is a bit more complicated

And that's how you end up with WW2 casualty numbers where even hundreds of thousands can be nothing more than rounding errors

[runic ermine]

But what if there's a bit of cover up or missing numbers or something just doesn't add up?

[narrow rover]

I guess in those cases you can look at enemy records and logistics records etc to guesstimate just how many people were fighting

It's not very accurate it seems, like we don't know how many soldiers died in the USSR exactly

There is at least several million between the lowest and highest estimate

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1852367165959061859

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD 1943, USS Borie rammed U-405 and became stuck on the sub's deck. Crews then engaged in a fierce fight at close range. Attacking with small arms and flare guns, the Americans also hurled knives and 4" shell casings at the Germans. U-405 sank and the Borie had to be scuttled.

Twitter · Nov 1, 2024, 3:08 PM

[unkempt sedge]

It was just a converted airliner that was used for maritime patrol.

It did it's job pretty decently considering its previous background as an airliner.

On the other hand perhaps Japan was lucky not to get their Condors as they already had better flying boats for that role which made more sense (H6K & H8K).

[narrow rover]

Yea
Ever tried flying it in WT? Has the climb rate of a barn and horribly placed defensive positions

[narrow rover]

Oh yea, Japanese flying boats were very good

[unkempt sedge]

While the Catalina deserves it's spot for being a workhorse.

IMHO this was probably the best flying boat of the war...

Shame it never got post war use as an airliner.

Japan could have competed against Pan-Am's clippers with the Emily

The Mavis however was used as an airliner.

[narrow rover]

Well, I guess Shinmeiwa still makes some flying boats, so its spirit lives on

[unkempt sedge]

I have a thing for flying boats.

[narrow rover]

Japan didn't get to build aircraft again until the 1950s due to... uhh... WW2 grudges

Kinda similar to what Germany ended up with

[unkempt sedge]

I know.

Shinmeiwa however, only builds theirs for coast guard or Navy duties.

But, they are Kawanishi's successor.

That being said. The days of the flying boat are long long gone.

That being said. Perhaps the ROKN could develop their own flying boat like Shinmeiwa? KAI could build it.

Of course.......I am picking at straws here.

U.S. Navy was showing interest in the US-2 last I heard.

[narrow rover]

We never built a seaplane in our existence aside from that one time a commander and his team put a two engined one together as a hobby

Around the early 50s

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1852502605454307723

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1958, the Baltimore-class heavy cruiser USS Chicago (CA-136) was reclassified CG-11 as it began a five-year conversion to a guided missile cruiser. The entire conversion process required enough blue prints to have covered more than 25 acres.

Twitter · Nov 2, 2024, 12:06 AM

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/cOect_Ej7Ys?si=JpzrQYLeEc7_49IG

[desert agate]

They are not

Flying boats are a very useful asset for the Pacific that are not receiving the investment that they should be

There is a lot to be gained by operating an ASHM slinger that doesn’t operate from an airfield, even more to be gained by the air sea rescue capability that a flying boat offers in the pacific

[autumn sorrel]

I would say that the prevalent of platform like P3 and P8 meant the prospect of investing in a new Flying boat is kinda iffy. They already have long range patrol crafts and the airbases necessary to service it, so why turn toward seaplanes which also need logistics support when having planes service at airbase is perfectly fine for them.

I see the merit in search and rescue purposes but even then, they will just argue that older model of seaplanes is good enough

[desert agate]

there are very few airfields within the first island chain that wont be turned into rubble (alongside their airgroups) within the first few hours of a Pacific conflict

having an ASW/LRASM slinger/air-sea rescue asset that only requires the presence of a tender to support operations is a game changer capability

[autumn sorrel]

Again, I see the argument of seaplanes don’t depend on airbase but realistically, US have so many airbase and friendly airbase they can use that they might feel the prospect of losing some might be mitigated.

[desert agate]

the PLA has the missile stocks and production capacity to keep just about every air base within the first island chain supressed for an extended period of time

[autumn sorrel]

Are any current model can carry AShM yet and are there even test on how replenishment of munitions while on Sea?

[desert agate]

the US-2 is more or less unarmed

[autumn sorrel]

That’s assuming retaliatory strike doesn’t greatly reduce PLA strike capability after the 1st salvo.

[desert agate]

China has the advantage of strategic depth, once it fires its salvos it can relocate launch platforms off the coastline under the cover of the PLAAF and PLARFs air defence assets

[autumn sorrel]

The Japanese plane? Yeah, it’s big but I don’t see it have any internal bomb bay and modify it with external hardpoint might take more time and effort

[desert agate]

without the use of nuclear weapons you cant expect to degrade Chinese platform availability

[desert agate]

the US-2 is not a good fit for the requirements which i am outlining, these requirements are for a hypothetical platform which does not yet exist, although i understand that many countries are looking into the possibility

the JASDF retired their last ASW seaplanes in the early 90s

i would note however that Lockheeds flying boat C-130 variant is only a few years out

[autumn sorrel]

Maybe they should look into Beriev models, those look suspiciously capable of mounting external hardpoint on moments of notice.

[frozen kestrel]

"So, like... You couldn't put a roof over it or somethin'?"

• Fort Stevens State Park, Oregon

[eternal veldt]

roof = weight. weight bad.

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/bTt37TbG3Xc?si=Ju9GAKI0hMT3zR4c

[runic ermine]

https://youtu.be/1mY0VmqhVQE?si=fJm3ILufMUD-RXod

[burnt scarab]

Does anyone know about Hitler's railways ? Found out how he was able to do blitzkrieg with ease.

[remote monolith]

railways had little to do with the western Blitzkrieg if you're asking about that

it was the indecisiveness of the Allied high command and them dismissing recon reports about a miles long traffic jam in the Ardennes that enabled the normally incredibly risky and almost certainly heading to failure maneuver to succeed

[runic ermine]

The blitzkrieg was able to be done because:
-German officers were encouraged to take the initiative
-Allied Generals were expecting a slow trench war like ww1. France especially
-Germany made sure that their tanks would always outnumber their enemies' tanks

[remote monolith]

tbf it was less expecting and more consciously maneuvering Germany to one, and Germany knew that

the whole plan was to lure out the Germans to Belgium and let them bang their heads into the Belgian and Dutch defense system, something Franz Halder seriously considered to be the only real way of going to war with France

the fall of Eben-Emael put a dent on that plan, but overall it was Manstein's insistence on giving the Ardennes a try, plus the Allied High Command's refusal to acknowledge the fuckhueg armored line going through the woods, that chiefly brought victory for Germany

by the time the Allies realized what happened it was far too late

[burnt scarab]

That's true Just 6. Even the Panzer III and II can wreck any other Allied tank during the start of WWII

Yeah, that's very true How. Even when Nazi Generals went back and forth with each other during the plan to invade France.

[frozen kestrel]

I mean like an overhang/ carport type thing, because... damn that turret's in a sorry state

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1852811113769169045

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1942, USS Seawolf (SS-197) torpedoed the Japanese cargo ship Gifu Maru in the Davao Gulf. The Seawolf would sink two more ships within the week. During one of these attacks, four Mark 14 torpedoes failed before the Seawolf scored hits with older Mark 10 torpedoes.

Twitter · Nov 2, 2024, 8:32 PM

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1852846340222459928

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

Soon after WWII, a bored squadron of Hellcats flying over the Pacific spotted a PBM Mariner and decided to have some fun. The Hellcats flipped over on their backs and flew past the flying boat in a column, each fighter pilot giving the Mariner's crew a confused look. The Hellcat

Twitter · Nov 2, 2024, 10:52 PM

The Hellcat pilots swear they convinced the Mariner that it was upside down and then watched the huge plane struggle to roll over. It is unknown if the Mariner ever succeeded.

[spring briar]

beloved B1

[eternal veldt]

did you just call the B1 a piece of shit? I barely could read your message before you deleted it

[spring briar]

for WW2 it was sort of bad

let's say that

[eternal veldt]

Could be worse, Char 2C

[burnt scarab]

Oh yes, this was the one that battle against Rommel's Panzers Richelieu San

[narrow rover]

Tai Chi in 1972, Beijing

[timber linden]

Early wwii it was decent. Just used wrong.

German tank guns couldn't pen it, as a counter argument to your claim

[narrow rover]

Every tank can uhh, be penned from the sides

[desert agate]

they can if you just ignore every Allied tank in service

the Panzer 2 was worthless as an anti-armour platform and the panzer 3 struggled against most French vehicles and the Matilda II

there were only 3 German tanks of any particular note during the Fall of France, at least as far as anti-armour capability is concerned

panzer 3, 4 and 38t

and even those 3 vehicles were not really up to the task they were presented with, and only succeeded due to critical operational errors on the part of the enemy rather than tactical success on their part

[remote monolith]

also the S-35

which was legitimately superior to all Axis tanks at the time of the Fall and only held back by complicated manufacturing process and the funny fuel pipeline

[runic ermine]

Tomorrow is a very special day

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/G0Iw6pAqvsA?si=os7UU3w1WmR5khGh

[junior trench]

and the TC

being in the turret

alone

[narrow rover]

What do you even call a quad wing plane

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1853225949086601452

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

Happy National Sandwich Day! ADM William F. Halsey helps himself to a ham sandwich from an arm load carried by a messman during a beach party in 1945. Commanding the Third Fleet was hungry work.
#NationalSandwichDay

Twitter · Nov 4, 2024, 12:01 AM

[runic ermine]

What are some cool medieval to renaissance era firearms?

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1853269615448629691

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

The world’s largest uncrewed autonomous submarine is the LSV 2 Cutthroat. The 1/3 scale model of a Virginia-class attack sub is used by the Navy to test emerging technologies at a facility in Bayview, Idaho—375 miles from the ocean.
#SubSunday

Twitter · Nov 4, 2024, 2:54 AM

[timber linden]

Running after japanese decoys is hungry work

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD9346N0m0Y

[manic latch]

https://youtu.be/Uc6fOSu8AWo?

[pale cloud]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGsqFxVnC8E

[runic ermine]

Today marks the end of Austria-Hungary
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vittorio_Veneto

And my birthday

[burnt scarab]

https://youtu.be/yymMK-5pAa0?si=_7060ppSMhLgNSGP

https://youtu.be/INalXuvgTtk?si=bhVLTiosmTFWHJyD
Favorite part of WWII D-Day

[runic ermine]

https://x.com/WarMonitorClips/status/1852962323058606140?t=8TWnMvMgVr2wCuxNzvLH0w&s=19

War Monitor Clips (@WarMonitorClips) on X

The Battle of the Westerplatte, first combat between German and Polish forces on September 1st, 1939 🔥🔥

Twitter · Nov 3, 2024, 6:33 AM

This is kinda insane that we have footage of this

[terse mesa]

https://youtu.be/MJ5I8I4bDBI?si=OWtMWn2xlx6594pz

[autumn sorrel]

Phoenix, last time we talk about AShM and chaff, you mentioned AShM using IIR to track target, could you provide me which missile combine both radar homing and IIR search?

[narrow rover]

Probably some of the only predreadnought combat footage out there

[remote monolith]

Putting aside that's an absurdly close range for shore bombardment that's absolutely terrifying

A lot of media doesn't fully portray a battleship open firing like this at such a close distance

[manic latch]

Hmmm
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-15_Termit

I think some variants had both

[narrow rover]

I mean Holstein sort of snuck into the harbor under a guise and started blasting

[spring briar]

She sailed into the harbor for a friendly visit

And started blasting

That kind of set the precedent for what was to come

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C4Chl0zUc8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY3lEaQi_f0

[narrow rover]

Sucks to be Poland

[spring briar]

Are you ok?

[eternal veldt]

Don't you just love it when you commit perfidy

[runic ermine]

By the way the battleship in the video is the pre-dreadnought Schleswig-Holstein

[spring briar]

We know

[runic ermine]

Well I just wanted to make sure...

[narrow rover]

It's not like we have a whole lot of predread combat footage anyway

[cinder escarp]

AFAIK termits are radar only. A small number of IR silkworms were made, but not IIR.

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1853835043640066306

[runic ermine]

But still crazy that we have footage of the start of the most deadly conflict in human history

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/DSEvshjgkpA?si=3XFqGxhT8p0Laen1

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/Fighterman_FFRC/status/1853666537019994413

Fighterman_FFRC (@Fighterman_FFRC) on X

J-35A and F-35A

remember, eat healthy

Twitter · Nov 5, 2024, 5:11 AM

[subtle prawn]

https://news.usni.org/2024/11/05/new-berth-for-museum-ship-uss-texas-under-debate

[brisk ravine]

Hey does anyone know what happened in the battle of Midway, just like the premise of it.
I have a history project due on it and I’m struggling to find research

Omg I forgot about ChatGPT

That helps

I would watch videos but I don’t have the time bc It’s a 6ish page essay due in a few hours

[burnt scarab]

That was the battle that turn to the Allies favour Chick3n. In fact, the SBD Daughtless Dive Bomber were the ones that sinks Akagi, Kaga, Soriyu and Hiriyu. This Admiral Nagomo lost 250 planes and 3000+ men. Mostly mechanics and maintenance crews

[brisk ravine]

thanks so much! i couldn't find much on how the IJN carriers sunk

[burnt scarab]

I see. You should see Generals at War Battle of Midway Chick3n. It's after the El Alemein one

[mental tapir]

Technically they were scuttled rather than sunk by the dive bombers, but the dive bombers did cause secondary explosions, destroy most of the planes, kill the mechanics and render the carriers completely unusable

[burnt scarab]

Yup..

I know one officer who sink Akagi everyone. His name is Commander Dick Best. His bomb struck Akagi's hanger deck crammed with fuel up planes and high explosive. For the Midway Island I believe

They did lost USS Yorktown. That's a shame. The Japanese Navy were so ruthless that they didnt notice they attack Yorktown two times ! They mistaken Yorktown for either Enterprise or Hornet

[narrow rover]

Funnily enough for all the insane designs BV was coming up with, BV barely had an impact on German aviation

[junior trench]

... do not recommend people to use plagiarism for academic submissions

[narrow rover]

It still has the issue of sometimes coming up with complete bullshit

[junior trench]

god I wish that was true

but no

[narrow rover]

No lol
Because ChatGPT can also uhh, learn from all the bullshit that is already on the internet

Which there is a ton

They're not doing a good enough job then because my personal experience wasn't too great

[junior trench]

and there's accountants who embezzle from their companies.

that something is done/gets used doesn't speak to whether it should be done.

[narrow rover]

I mean, I found it to be easier to just use JSTOR

[manic latch]

No

If it doesn't know the answer it ends up making shit up and doesn't tell you about it

This feels soulless but ok

[desert agate]

there is no better resources than Shattered Sword

i would highly reccomend reading it

[eternal veldt]

if a book is too difficult, Montemayor's trilogy on Midway is strongly recommended.

While AI can generalize and report things well, often times it is insufficient as a tool to learn from independently.

More importantly, it violates academic integrity by not having any sources available. That is the main issue.

[manic latch]

I want an AI you can purchase where you can feed your own files to make it learn

Like let's say uploading all pdf of your naval books into it

So when you ask a naval question it can reference the pages and the book when answering

Biggest human flaw for me is not remembering

[autumn sorrel]

Personalize AI sound nice but you have to pay subscription and they are legally allowed to send your data to their company

[eternal veldt]

We would also have to judge every user on the Internet

The internet, especially discord, is not known for its reliability. Therefore, you should conduct your own research on your own and determine if what is being said is valid or not. The first rule of the book as we are taught is to literally not quote wikipedia, because the page can be vandalized or tampered with within a short span of minutes.

I am not disagreeing that AI is a convenient way to get information and can sum it quite well, but to a person that may not know so much about history, unprocessed AI does not help said user in comprehending the scenario. In this case, the user is doing a project, in which I presume the goal is to educate through doing their own project based learning. AI somewhat somewhat hinders that process.

Let us drop the topic though, as shattered sword has already been recommended, and I can think of no better source than that to conduct a project on.

Worth noting too, the genesis of the "H-45" is because some people decided to have just a bit too much fun.

[alpine onyx]

It was revealed to me in a dream

[manic latch]

You aren't fun in parties are you

[hybrid sparrow]

[hybrid sparrow]

[manic latch]

Worry not Vari, got my answer

[eternal veldt]

I don't think arguments are necessarily bad - if there is unanimous agreement, then there is no need for discussion.

And exactly because of the lack of it, this channel has seen better days.

And Im not going to lie, I have seen some channels flare up as soon as "Bismarck" and "Good/Shit" appear within a single clause.

[hybrid sparrow]

Now now. General is more well behaved than that.... Sometimes

[eternal veldt]

Its hard, but not impossible - depends on the other party. Nothing wrong with throwing things out for checking though, imo.

If you want a funny instance, someone in another warship-focused server cough argued that a certain game is wrong with the armour values of the Pensacola, saying that the belt should be a uniform 102mm thickness.

Someone provides a russian cutaway diagram of the protection of the ship showing thinner sections, but the person dismissed it as "propaganda piece to undermine the US faction".

Then people started pouring in with more books and to top it off, the damage reports of the ship at Tassafaronga. No more argument after that.

Its part of the Dunning-Kruger curve. Someone has to come to rock bottom before realizing they need to learn.

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7evV9DBbXo

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIv7k227Vqc

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eojZC2JPBjA

[runic ermine]

Very fitting video for today

[versed tree]

Waaashyyy

[lament quartz]

I went to the Midway

Shes still beautiful

Missed the war by a week

Technically launched in 45 so itd be a treat to add her to the game in all fairness

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1854337606546264476

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1945, a mixed-power Ryan FR-1 Fireball was forced to use its jet engine to land on USS Wake Island after its piston engine failed. In doing so, it became the first jet to land on a carrier, ushering in a new era of naval aviation.
#FlyNavy

Twitter · Nov 7, 2024, 1:38 AM

[maiden citrus]

correct

also I was there a couple days ago, what a coincidence

[subtle prawn]

Considering there are ships already ingame that were either launched or commissioned after the war, I don't see why not

[mental tapir]

Most egregious being the Centaur-class carriers

[autumn sorrel]

What am I looking at? It is just blue screen and some tree

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1854669885911032069

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1921, 2,200 Marines were deployed across the nation to protect the U.S. Mail after gangsters had committed a rash of robberies. The iconic Thompson submachine gun ("Tommy gun") was put into service for the first time when it was issued to the USMC and Postal Inspectors.

Twitter · Nov 7, 2024, 11:38 PM

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1854703590750712144

[maiden citrus]

[narrow rover]

RIP

[runic ermine]

Rip

[eternal veldt]

[runic ermine]

https://youtube.com/shorts/ObXlBuWOL7E?si=qgOyQuks3Z8B1ZyS

[remote monolith]

what's wrong here?

about Mers-el-Kebir

[eternal veldt]

It's mostly the last one - It paints a picture of "heehoo surrender" again

Never mind the fact that you're barely stopping the German advance with pockets while a Vichy government is being set up

[remote monolith]

oh the last post

I mentally blocked that already

[eternal veldt]

I'm not going to even bother posting the "meme" because it just grossly oversimplifies the shitshow and complications that occured at Mers

Heehoo Monty Python

[chilly osprey]

Just remember, there was an imminent threat of panzers teleporting from Tripoli to Mers-el-Kébir.

The British were wise to make sure the French ships there were destroyed, and supremely lucky the Germans never thought to use this teleporter to drop a panzer division into central London.

[eternal veldt]

Wow, Da'at Yichud technology? I can't believe it's real???/s

[spring briar]

some people have issues

[narrow rover]

That one insane Admiral had to make everything worse...

[autumn sorrel]

Churchill

[narrow rover]

From a big picture perspective the British were absolutely shitting bricks when the French got rolled over in 6 weeks
So some "hilarities" were probably going to happen no matter what
But damn, Mers-el Kebir was the absolute worst case scenario...

[autumn sorrel]

You can blame Darlan to be an opportunist but Churchill will see French Fleet sink under the Sea than even entertain the idea that French Fleet might be use by Germany

[narrow rover]

No one likes France

[woeful hull]

blueprints for USS Yorktown

[frozen kestrel]

D I B S

[spring briar]

Sure thing bud

[maiden citrus]

I like france

[lament quartz]

Ill be yoinking that for my collection

[lament quartz]

Nice shes still being worked on with scaffolding but never went down to the berths as i was at the maritime museum half the day did buy myself a poster of a helldiver in combat

[maiden citrus]

I got a shirt to wear, heh

[lament quartz]

If they add her id be happy considering her history is the longest of any CV

[lament quartz]

I see a seahawk

I say yostar needs to add her as she served the longest

Fought in 2-3 wars

[lament quartz]

Also bought a hat since im just gonna start collecting covers of ships i explore next stop the Wisconsin

[maiden citrus]

it was great to look at, I always have tons of fun when I go to museums

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1854912750218101098

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1939, Al Capone's lawyer "Easy Eddie" O'Hare was gunned down. He had been an informant for the IRS and a key figure in Scarface's conviction for tax evasion. His son, Butch O'Hare, became a Navy fighter ace during WWII and is the namesake of Chicago's O'Hare Airport.

Twitter · Nov 8, 2024, 3:43 PM

[lament quartz]

and his son did better and became a navy legend

[runic ermine]

Yesterday was the 20th anniversary of the start of Operation Phantom Fury

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z41rKSNHE4

[runic ermine]

https://youtu.be/5_WzyKL_4lI?si=jb0VSEQKi5kKkZz9

[frozen kestrel]

So, dumb question, but I can't really find any info on it. Did the Germans lay mines in the Irish Sea during WWII? Or was it only mined by the British?

[autumn leaf]

they did

after they conquered france they started laying them

[frozen kestrel]

Aight, that makes my job easier then

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/USMC/status/1855332357785411924

[manic belfry]

Damm imagine the retrofits

[timber linden]

https://tenor.com/view/andrew-jackson-gif-5354501

[lament quartz]

Last retrofit was the 90s from the looks of it then again everything is old as ever in that

[lament quartz]

Took em long enough for him to receive a ship

[junior trench]

huh

it's the second ship to have the name

the first was a Gearing

[winged phoenix]

They should add Midway and Gyatt

to AL

post-wwII warships

definately Midway

Gyatt would be a good pun

and yes, that was a real ship

[runic ermine]

And not pronounced the way you think

[narrow rover]

🧱

You know about a week or two ago I ran into a mom and her kids watching "that particular toilet video" on IPad with the volume on full blast
I live in a country that does not speak English
And yet I cannot escape the brain rot

[grave ravine]

Gyatt commissioned a couple months before the end of the war

would be cool to get a Terrier retrofit

And I mean if they can add the Centaurs, they can totally add Midway

[lament quartz]

Im talking modern day ship not pre modern since technology differs

Least we preserved most ships we could with historical records to boot

Would be nice to get taffey 3 included before we add midway and such

[unkempt sedge]

If we get Midway, it's probably not going to be until the very end of the game she is added.

UR Johnston or UR Gambier Bay would be better to add first.

Plus, I'm still waiting for USS Boston, Tuscaloosa, Texas, Los Angeles, Franklin, Bennington, Hancock, Boxer, and Gearing.

Not to mention Missouri and Iowa.

[grave ravine]

I mean there are a ton of USN ships with illustrious service careers that have yet to be added

[unkempt sedge]

Lucky for us, we will never run out of USN ships to add.

[grave ravine]

yeah

[unkempt sedge]

Still want USS Boston badly since I am a simp for the Balitmore's both IRL and ingame.

Found a good artwork of Boston recently.

https://www.jamesaflood.com/uss-boston-ca-69/

[grave ravine]

there are a bunch of Fletcher class ships I'd like to see in game

The Desron 21 ships, USS Melvin, the Taffy 3 ships

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0mO1aUiceM

[desert agate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibatjxPkhJk&ab_channel=ABCNews(Australia)

Vietnam war VC to be awarded

[mental tapir]

Why would ole' Gamby be UR tho

[mental tapir]

And it was pronounced 'guy-at', not the modern brainrot pronunciation

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1855814297059774512

[grim jolt]

Hello are there any other ridiculous incidents like with Iowa class full salvo a costal gun
basically the temper temper temper

[autumn sorrel]

Iowa forward turret suffered an ammo detonation due to either faulty ammo bag or USN try to speed up the rammer, the incident was covered up and officially reported that a Sailor caused the incident when he having suicidal thought when he was outed as gay. The sailor was exonerated but the Navy never officially apologized.

[desert agate]

https://fxtwitter.com/3BrigadeTSV/status/1855721350234796243

[spring briar]

UR Gambier Bay
Are you serious

[alpine onyx]

Think that would only semi be justifiable if you still believe that her single 5in managed to detonate and sink Choukai

[maiden citrus]

consider the following however; half the azur lane ur roster

[subtle prawn]

Wrong CVE, that one's often claimed to be White Plains

[grave ravine]

So true

[junior trench]

Gamby gets brought up because she's in KC

and she's in KC because IJN successfully sank her in a major event battle

which has often been a leading factor in which USN ships get picked if there's not other major fame factors

[spring briar]

Awful

We should make ships that clowned on the IJN UR just to fuck with that KC mentality

Eg. USS Edsall

[alpine onyx]

Still a wrong claim, but oh whelp

The "one 5in shell detonating entire midship of Choukai" is disproven by Choukai's torpedo batteries being in one piece on the wreck

[runic ermine]

Today, lest we forget

[unkempt sedge]

Why not?

We already have UR CV's.

I'd say a UR CVE would be quite interesting.

[spring briar]

no

[autumn sorrel]

CVE UR will be a bad idea bc they will be very mediocre

[unkempt sedge]

I can see that aspect of it.

Perhaps Gambier Bay is better off as a Super Rare then.

[lament quartz]

Classic navy move to use us sailors as scapegoats

Ive been around ironbottom sound and san Bernardino strait and its a eerie feeling knowing fuso got torpedoed in that location

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1856028949114917176

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1918, British Grand Fleet flagship HMS Queen Elizabeth celebrated Armistice Day by signaling to "Splice the mainbrace. Negative 6th B.S." The order meant that all sailors could have a drink except the Americans of the 6th Battle Squadron because U.S. Navy ships were dry.

Twitter · Nov 11, 2024, 5:39 PM

[fierce sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-mgkAn0I1g

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/4wiLrKrhkEQ?si=hwLe69i543O7ncFD

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1856081343144439887 Speaking of which

[spring briar]

I did it

I mentioned her and she has been found

[unkempt sedge]

Her wreck is in better shape than I thought too.

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1856147807746265340

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1940, HMS Illustrious launched 21 Swordfish torpedo bombers that scored several hits on Italian ships at Taranto in the first all-aircraft ship-to-ship naval attack. The Japanese would study the battle in preparation for their attack on Pearl Harbor one year later.

Twitter · Nov 12, 2024, 1:31 AM

[vale condor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyB6PuO1z2c I know I know a reaction video, but Jack actually adds a lot of information and doesn't just watch the video in silence for 13 minutes

also Project sundial is nuts

[remote monolith]

Its the year of our lord 2024 and we're still getting Dorian propagandas smfh

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/JMSDF_PAO/status/1856215352793018695/en

[fierce sparrow]

https://x.com/_Darthsoldier_/status/1856127706464973183

Darthsoldier (@_Darthsoldier_) on X

Soviet sailors in Norfolk VA
1990

Twitter · Nov 12, 2024, 12:11 AM

[fierce sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJgxZL3ktN8

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1856386053566788036

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/pDCmZBE2slw?si=xtKFZYRZebno7Bgy

https://youtu.be/jV8RlSkNDvM?si=E97PGwtMMRuvMfYA

[runic ermine]

I wanna talk to Animarchy about so much history stuff but I feel like now, he's kinda lost it

I looked up to him and still kinda do. But how he's been acting lately I just don't know what to think anymore

[wintry moat]

How so?

[mental tapir]

Too "political"?

[runic ermine]

Yes but also making wild claims and comments

[versed tree]

Washy after the Indiana incident

[sullen canyon]

Want to say that the Washington crew really hated the SoDak class ships I take it. Since they also had the friendly fire incident with SoDak herself when they came across I think it was Hiei at night

[versed tree]

When was that

I do not recall that

Also, the SD crews and other ships’ crews dislike Washy’s crews because of their toxicity

Or st like that i forgo

[sullen canyon]

Oh wait it was Kirishima

It was on the main page of the wiki for Washington. I'll pull up the link for it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Washington_(BB-56)

[versed tree]

Meh then I recall it

It was no friendly fire

From the book

They said they couldn’t make sure if that was kiri or SD

Eventhough that was kiri

Because SD’s radio was gone

Along with Washy’s only 180 degree Radar

She couldn’t find SD

Though the gun bosses were positive that wasnt SD

But Ching Lee was not yet certain

A rumor in the lower deck of the SD was that Washy had run out of the battle

War was declared between 2 ships

Washy and SD

The enlisted engaged in combat on the beaches

All Washy crews said “Shitty Dick” was their favorite name for SD lol

They said that they were too stupid to run so they fought the MPs too lmao

[runic ermine]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DCQFq2vPv8R/?igsh=MWdoNjFzNGhvNGtxYQ==

askunclejack

Dearest friends,
To all veterans, past and present, I want to thank you for your service and dedication. On this Veterans Day, I’m reminded of the bravery, strength, and sacrifices made by so many. I am honored to stand among you. Bless you all, and thank you for all you’ve done.

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[ivory ridge]

https://x.com/NichoConcu/status/1856592868330151978?t=_sDqLHQ2N662jq7WsH6tnQ&s=19

A-129 Mangusta (@NichoConcu) on X

Past and Future.

Recently an A-129 Mangusta flew in formation together with a AW-249 Fenice prototype for the first time. This photo is a good way to compare both platforms to see just how different they are from one another.

Twitter · Nov 13, 2024, 7:00 AM

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a61niA_VxvM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nIQywuOUSw

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1856719000333332714

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1942, USS Juneau was sunk, claiming the lives of the five Sullivan brothers. Their deaths led to the Sole Survivor Policy that protects members of a family from the draft or combat duty if they have already lost a family member. The wreck of the Juneau was found in 2018.

Twitter · Nov 13, 2024, 3:21 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITReyvukf4E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB_6SLuMt50

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/putnik833/status/1840059423357603952

[woeful hull]

Silly Rafale :3

[runic ermine]

Wow
https://x.com/VeteransFdn/status/1856381785707332095?t=7_sjOwp6ovRgmimfb92sFg&s=19

Veterans’ Foundation (@VeteransFdn) on X

🎉👏 Happy 100th birthday to veteran, John King!

John was 18 years old when he was drafted into the Royal Navy. He was a Gunner on HMS Janus in 1942 when the battleship was struck and sank. John was one of 80 survivors.

Source: THD News

Twitter · Nov 12, 2024, 5:01 PM

[spring briar]

HMS Janus was a destroyer

07

[runic ermine]

I know

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1856875659538378903

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1942 during the Naval Battle of Guadalcanal, a direct hit on the bridge of USS San Francisco killed or badly wounded almost all officers including RADM Daniel Callaghan and CAPT Cassin Young. Communications officer LCDR Bruce McCandless took command and saved the ship.

Twitter · Nov 14, 2024, 1:43 AM

[terse mesa]

https://youtu.be/-BFVAZYGQCU?si=oMotl1mUh4IwECOF

[burnt scarab]

Sipher I remember the Kings and Generals doing about the Pacific War. However, it stopped because of some absurb reason. I rave and ranted at that Kings and Generals for stopping that Pacific War episodes. However, I do thank you for showing about these Allied and Axis fleet

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/BoeingDefense/status/1857076210225815707

[desert agate]

Too bad it’s obsolete eh

[subtle prawn]

Eh, it's still got a use as a missile truck nowadays

[burnt scarab]

We have missile truck here Sipher for the Air Force. The Ground Air Defence Command

[chilly osprey]

I wouldn't really say 'obsolete' so much as trending towards obsolecence, though that also really depends on what you're trying to use it for and against who.

And how

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1857164165741199644

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1943, the destroyer USS William D. Porter accidentally launched a live torpedo at the USS Iowa which was carrying President Franklin Roosevelt to the Tehran Conference. The Iowa avoided disaster by making a hard turn. The torpedo detonated after hitting the ship's wake.

Twitter · Nov 14, 2024, 8:50 PM

[subtle prawn]

Should be good enough if you're not expecting to be fighting a first-rate military, no?

[chilly osprey]

I mean, even against a near-peer/peer like China, the PLAAF and PLAN have a lot of aircraft that aren't J-20's or eventually J-35 than an F-15EX is still going to be plenty relevant against.

And they have even greater freedom operating against the likes of Russia, Iran, or North Korea.

Because even where their air defense networks (really only Russia in this regard) is more challenging you can still feed a lot of data to an F-15 via an F-35 operating much closer to the threat.

China specifically is really much more the problem in the intermediate to long term because they will be the only adversary that is going to be deploying LO aircraft in very large numbers, and will make it very challenging for 4th/4.5th generation aircraft to survive where they're operating,

[subtle prawn]

Btw Phoenix, on your F-35 chart, what's the reason for the difference of F-35As for the RAAF chart since the F-35's official website lists them as having ordered/operating 100 and yours lists it as 72?

[runic ermine]

I wish my country put more into its military

[subtle prawn]

Unfortunately, the governments nor the citizenry here generally aren't very keen on defense spending regardless of the party unless an outside party puts some pressure on it

[grave ravine]

I believe they have stated the intent to procure 100, but have only ordered 72

They have so far continued to defer the purchase of the remaining 28 jets

[chilly osprey]

Yeah, as dromeosaurus said, though the Aussies once had the ambition to order up to 100, they ultimately cut their commitment down to 72, in order to invest in other areas of defense and boost munitions stockpiles.

In all likelihood the RAAF is probably also waiting to see what comes in terms of future aircraft as a suitable replacement for the F/A-18F, for certain missions that the F-35A is not going to adequately replace it in.

[mental tapir]

Also needs some updating, 🇸🇬 is also acquiring 8 F-35As on top of the 12 F-35Bs

[subtle prawn]

Ask LM to do it since it's pulled from their fast facts sheet

[brave elbow]

I once had a poster of an F 15 eagle on my door when I was a kid.

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XvWFnzM8vE

[burnt scarab]

I know USS Iowa. She was the one who pound the beaches of Normandy and the one that started Operation Torch to support the Task Force to capture Vichy French captial Polemo or whatever is was

You're right Parasocialist, we're getting these F-35 for our Air Force. Going to some futuristic Air Force

[shrewd pecan]

are you like

talking through multiple layers of google translate

or AI generating these messages

[spring briar]

dude what are you talking about

[remote monolith]

what in fuck

[alpine onyx]

Dude did say that English is not their first language

[fierce sparrow]

https://x.com/Kalla_Kriget/status/1857447405446103362

Kalla Kriget, en historia (@Kalla_Kriget) on X

Stridsvagn 103 på Ravlunda 1985

Twitter · Nov 15, 2024, 3:35 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix-sgAgSsPg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4kQ8P7MpYM

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1857471413579403638

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1942 during the 2nd Naval Battle of Guadalcanal, USS Washington sank IJN Kirishima after using radar and the night to approach the battleship undetected. Washington blasted Kirishima at almost point-blank range, scoring as many as 20 16-inch hits and 40 5-inch hits.

Twitter · Nov 15, 2024, 5:11 PM

[runic ermine]

What's the most historically inaccurate movie that you guys have seen?

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1857600611660747189

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1944, a modified USAAF P-51D Mustang began carrier trials aboard USS Shangri-La (CV-38). The Army was interested in the possibility of using carrier-based P-51 squadrons to escort B-29 bombers. Unofficially named the Sea Horse, the unique variant of the P-51 performed

Twitter · Nov 16, 2024, 1:44 AM

Unofficially named the Sea Horse, the unique variant of the P-51 performed well during trials but the Army's need for carriers ended when the capture of Iwo Jima provided airfields within range of Japan. The Navy opted not to adopt the Sea Horse because its in-line engine required a liquid coolant whereas the radial engines of Hellcats and Corsairs did not.

[maiden citrus]

sea horse lol

[mental tapir]

Were the Hellcats & Corsairs insufficient for escorting B-29s before Iwo Jima?

[grave ravine]

P-51 has significantly better range than F4U or F6F

[mental tapir]

I presume positioning the carriers closer to mainland Japan made them too vulnerable?

[zenith veldt]

Does anybody in here know anything about 1980s naval warfare?

[junior trench]

depends

[zenith veldt]

Because I'm about to have a battle on Sea power

[zenith veldt]

So I'm desperate you could say

Americans vs Soviets

😭

I need helppppp

[subtle prawn]

I somewhat had a feeling it would be related to the game that came out recently

[zenith veldt]

Yes

So would you perhaps be interested?

Cuz I'm legit on my knees rn no cap

[subtle prawn]

I know jack shit lol

[zenith veldt]

You know?

[junior trench]

the game isn't accurate to actual doctrines and capabilities of the time

you won't find any help looking for real life answers

[zenith veldt]

That is the closest you can get tbh

[junior trench]

no

[zenith veldt]

It just launched recently anyways and is in development sooo yeah

[junior trench]

no it's not lol

[zenith veldt]

It's early access???

[junior trench]

reading comprehension

[zenith veldt]

...

[autumn sorrel]

AI is dumb, use it to your advantage

Stay EMCON, use helicopters if you have them, climb to around 2-3000ft and then fire up their radar for a few min to get some reading then shut down to avoid give away position

[zenith veldt]

No they ain't on SeaPower

The bots there are different

[autumn sorrel]

AI is dumb, they will fire every thing at the first enemy they saw

[zenith veldt]

Nahhhh

I had an encounter with a fucking submarine yesterday

That little rat was masking his movements next to a merchant ship

[autumn sorrel]

Skill issues, use sonar buoy and towed sonar

[zenith veldt]

And there was an ongoing storm at the time

Which fucked with the sona bouys

[autumn sorrel]

Can’t get Heli up?

[zenith veldt]

Nah

I got 2 helis

2 ORIONS

Looking for that shit

And it couldn't find it

[autumn sorrel]

No magnetic detection device?

[zenith veldt]

We didn't fly over it

We kept dropping sona bouys

But that bozo turned on passive sonar as soon as it heard my helicopters

That was just TRAINED AI

It wasn't even SEASONED AI

[autumn sorrel]

Scripted AI

[zenith veldt]

And I lost my destroyer to it

[zenith veldt]

My fletcher.......

It was an Alfa class Submarine

[autumn sorrel]

You use Fletcher against an Alfa?

[zenith veldt]

It was sunk by an Orion earlier this morning

[zenith veldt]

I had Ticonderoga and Fletcher launch both their helis

And because of the storm

And the AI being cheeky as fuck

Don't underestimate the bots

[zenith veldt]

You will absolutely die

😭

Now my fletcher is here..

[autumn sorrel]

Huh, Fletcher can’t carry heli

You mean Adams or Spruance?

[autumn sorrel]

That’s isn’t Fletcher

[zenith veldt]

Fletcher class..

Whoops

My bad

My mistake

Yes it was Spruance

[zenith veldt]

It died

Spruance died to a fucking Alfa

[loud fable]

The new August von Parseval is called "The Unhulde's Midday Respite". The problem is "Unhulde" isn't a word in either german or english I think they wanted the word "Unhold" which is archaic but an actual word or is it some nickname I didn't know?

[junior trench]

Unhulde, Unhold
Unlike Hexe, the term Unhulde and its variations (including Unhold and Unhole) were in constant use from the Middle Ages on. Originally, Unhulde was the name for a malevolent spirit in Nordic mythology. With the spread of Christianity in the early Middle Ages, it came to be associated first with the pagan gods, then with the Christian devil. From the eleventh century on, it was used to describe the night-flying spirits of folk belief, both good and evil. Rarely was it associated with sorcery. In the fifteenth century, it was increasingly used as a term of invective for women, finally becoming the most common sixteenth-century German word for the female witch.

https://pages.uoregon.edu/dluebke/Witches442/Definitions.html

[versed tree]

veterans returned home via Washy

[burnt scarab]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_transcontinental_railroad

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Torch

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/Eb6UxtpVUBk?si=nSwtDVBCivMTwDr5

[sage fern]

Any ideas who or what class the prototype 30mm aa gun was developed for? Or is it made up for the game?

Even tried looking on NavWeap, but the generic name made it impossible.

[chilly osprey]

The German 30mm?

That I understand, the Flak 103 was meant to arm upcoming U-boats and long-term was supposed to be a part of the overall upgrade of light AA systems on KM ships - it would replace the 20mm cannons, while the 55mm would replace the 37mm cannons.

[alpine onyx]

Mhm

Correct

They did plan them for the 1944 type destroyers, which were laid down but not finished

[runic ermine]

Is this a good book?

[burnt scarab]

Yes, it is Countryballs

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fZi2JyzWIqI

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TccLLe2y9yA

[mystic schooner]

where is the difference between a Large Cruiser and an Grand Cruiser?

or is that an instance of "lost in translation"

[subtle prawn]

Where did you hear the term “grand cruiser”?

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1857850883037393121

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

It's National Indiana Day! USS Indiana (BB-58) was a South Dakota-class fast battleship commissioned in 1942. In July 1945, Indiana joined the first bombardment of the Japanese mainland, firing 271 16-inch shells at the industrial complex in Kamaishi to great effect.
#IndianaDay

Twitter · Nov 16, 2024, 6:19 PM

[mystic schooner]

the german term for Large Cruiser is, literally, Groß-Kreuzer and i think i got to read a translation that used Grand Cruiser

maybe it was lost in translation there

(and, grand Cruiser got used in an Fleet-Tabletop i played. maybe i just didnt question it)

im sorry if this caused confusion

[subtle prawn]

https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Großer_Kreuzer?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US

Take it with a grain of salt since it's MTL

Actually, I think we have somebody knowledgeable about German warships here as well?

[mystic schooner]

always.

[eternal veldt]

Groß really just translates as "large" cruiser - and mostly a term used for the WW1 German BCs.

as for the Alaska's CB designation, this one is generally controversial because principally, the ship is designed as an upscaled heavy cruiser - but the role of the ship is closer to what battlecruisers are originally designed for.

[burnt scarab]

Never heard of it Sipher. All I know is Heavy and Light Crusiers.

[chilly osprey]

If I'm not mistaken, wasn't it also just their generic term for armored cruisers, with battlecrusiers retaining the same classification?

[timber linden]

Happy launch date to the best fox a weeb could ask for

[burnt scarab]

Kaga ?

[desert agate]

yes thats kaga easily identified by her starboard island

Japan is obviously quite unique in that being an identifying trait

[timber linden]

The best fox indeed

[burnt scarab]

Kaga is the best fox girl ? I'm intreved

I see, sometimes it's hard to identify who's that Japanese carrier is Spon.

[alpine onyx]

Japanese CVs are somewhat thankful when it comes to identifying them. Worst that can happen is having to pick between either Shoukaku/Zuikaku, or Jun'you/Hi'yoi

Souryuu and Hiryuu just having opposite islands makes it super convenient

[runic ermine]

How did Hungary make good tanks for their industry size?

[junior trench]

stubborn persistance

also a lot of the hard work was done for them, via the Czechs and Skoda

[cinder escarp]

Persistance (importing & licensing the work of others)

[sleek folio]

tho Japanese planes had so many things to improve on they hardly can be called the best

their enemies weren't exactly much better anyways

slow but agile when turning, that is how the zeros were, tho they freezed when going high speeds and couldn't turn a vulnerability the Americans used

[junior trench]

look up Kaga's internal funnel layout sometime

[timber linden]

One of the reasons that kamikaze weren't super effective is when they pushed the zero into a steep dive the control surfaces would lock up

Atleast that is what I heard on youtube

[mortal shard]

https://youtu.be/Ix-sgAgSsPg?feature=shared

[unkempt sedge]

[eternal veldt]

Yeap, protected cruisers also get it, until the BCs came along IIRC.

[wooden sentinel]

ayanami

[runic ermine]

On that note:

[wooden sentinel]

yamato torpedo hit

[timber linden]

You know all those wrecks close to China have been recycled into cheap consumer goods

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1858631273486655962

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

Today is the 96th birthday of Mickey Mouse. During WWII, Disney artists helped boost morale by designing over 1,200 insignia for the U.S. military including this one for Marine Scout Bombing Squadron 245 that features Mickey with guns blazing. #MickeyMouse

Twitter · Nov 18, 2024, 10:00 PM

[versed tree]

Thats fun

But would u choose a mouse

Or a sezy women

[maiden stirrup]

I think the Disney work was for "official" logos, the pinups were done in-theatre by the squadrons themselves.

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1858889236822311005

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

It's National Play Monopoly Day! The battleship token in the classic version of Monopoly was modeled after USS Indiana (BB-1). The game piece was also used in the board games Conflict and Diplomacy. The Indiana was commissioned in 1895 and decommissioned in 1919.
#monopoly

Twitter · Nov 19, 2024, 3:05 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn-Y0lAkoqU

[burnt scarab]

Yes, I heard Kaga

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo6duQSFmWc

[fierce sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wXNfOki12M

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlrK27wrNv4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNYkLdFaew8

[runic ermine]

https://nypost.com/2024/11/19/science/earliest-jesus-is-god-inscription-found-deemed-greatest-discovery-since-the-dead-sea-scrolls/

Pretty neat

[somber knoll]

The P99 is very good pistol tbf if not for its rather tricky DA/SA setup

[terse mesa]

https://youtu.be/-qEiDVk3MPU?si=4ps2vvomKI-2PeUh

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/thef35/status/1859586384849191337

F-35 Lightning II (@thef35) on X

F-35: Built for Romania.

Romania has signed an LOA for 32 F-35s—the most advanced, connected and capable fighter jets in the world.

Twitter · Nov 21, 2024, 1:15 PM

[slender plover]

https://youtu.be/FiCvN_IAg5E?si=HS8lqCQrJYGSSjF7

wel, if the Battle of Castl Itter wasnt already strange enought.

[woeful hull]

Photo of SMS Derffinger after being raised from Scapa Flow.

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VISCrhZhFfw

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1859730182514581765

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1944, USS Sealion (SS-315) torpedoed IJN Kongō, becoming the first and only U.S. submarine to sink an enemy battleship. During the same attack, Sealion also fired a salvo that missed the battleship Nagato but hit and sank the destroyer Urakaze.

Twitter · Nov 21, 2024, 10:46 PM

[wooden sentinel]

nakajima E8N, heavy cruiser haguro

[burnt scarab]

Thanks Dagur

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jGZBQNyaatg

Retpu69, I know this Nakajima E8N. I saw this in Dogfights Night Fighters episode

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JZmw4RulIzM&pp=ygUYZG9nZmlnaHRzIG5pZ2h0IGZpZ2h0ZXJz

[wooden sentinel]

https://youtu.be/btNyLbg2gOE?si=DFTIHzJmBaPnSLGs

A6M2-N vs F6F hellcat

[burnt scarab]

Everyone, do you guys encounter any articles about unexploded ordinance from WWII ?

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIxauqLcKR8

[burnt scarab]

There was... Something similar to this one Sipher. One moment please

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BVMQkPKr9c0&pp=ygUNS29yZWEgYWlyIDAwNw%3D%3D
Here it is

[timber linden]

There was also the airliner the Iranians shot down a few years ago. Think it was full of Canadians

[subtle prawn]

People drew comparisons to Iran Air 655 after it was found out that airliner was actually shot down, but that's straying into current events

[runic ermine]

Rip to this hero
https://x.com/VeteransFdn/status/1860005897939964203?t=AGDo1S7RlOxjTmPfv0gDtw&s=19

Veterans’ Foundation (@VeteransFdn) on X

🌺🇬🇧 We were deeply saddened by the death of WW2 veteran Raymond Whitwell, who died at the age of 105.

Raymond was called up in 1939 and was part of the Dunkirk evacuation. He fought in North Africa, Sicily and Italy, the Battle of Arnhem, and Operation Market Garden. 🌺🕊️

Twitter · Nov 22, 2024, 5:02 PM

[runic ermine]

https://x.com/CanadianForces/status/1860044818447233123?t=FtoGD4cUFDasoNtpcXK8Jw&s=19

Canadian Armed Forces (@CanadianForces) on X

80 years ago, the Battle of the Scheldt ended during the Second World War. The First Canadian Army played a key role in this victorious Allied advance. They helped the Allies gain access to the port of Antwerp and open crucial supply lines. #FlashbackFriday 1/3

Twitter · Nov 22, 2024, 7:36 PM

[burnt scarab]

Yeah I read about that in the wiki Just

[junior trench]

An unnecessary battle caused by the delays imposed by Montgomery's disastrous Market Garden gambit

Very effectively soured the relations between British and Canadian forces

[timber linden]

The Canadians like other....commonwealth....allied troops were nothing more than cannon fodder the brits

Did the same shit to Europe during napoleon

England will keep fighting as long as she has gold, workhouses and an endless stream of Austrian and Russian cannonfodder

[fierce sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhQ--R_GTa0

[remote monolith]

I meaaaaan...not really? the British continental troops were right there fighting in Europe

just because they were unable to supply men for battles such as Jena-Auerstadt or Leipzig doesn't mean the British Army didn't have any part

plus its not like the British forced European powers to keep warring against Napoleon, they each had legitimate fears and grievances that caused them to continue looking for opportunity to weaken Napoleon, especially because Napoleon himself never really consider a permanent peace in Europe

[timber linden]

Best we can do is....one rocket battery at the the battle of nations

[remote monolith]

maybe because most of the British troops are stuck in the fucking Spanish Peninsula?

did you forget Waterloo? Or the various campaigns around the world such as the Invasion of Java?

Didn't see any Austrians there

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS4vNE58RR4

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D5qYltv4bU

[hard prism]

can some1 decifer this

[tacit sage]

Figured y’all would be the right ones to ask; I’m planning on getting a model kit of a CV to build and paint, and I’m curious which ship y’all would recommend? As I’m sort of unsure on which to choose.

Maybe a Carrier with an interesting layout.

[eternal veldt]

If you're up for eccentric, Akagi or Kaga's "triple" flight deck configuration doesn't miss and is commercially available.

[timber linden]

Currently have the 1/350 hornet on its way. Cool camo and will have the doolittle raiders taking off her deck

with the kaga the next target.....pearl build is the plan

[burnt scarab]

It was to capture to the port RI. They do it in a effort to answer the Allies overstrech supply lines. They stop short because of overstreching their supply lines, get all the supplies from Normandy and worst, the Port in France were trashed by the fleeing Wehrmacht...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y074_mT7ECU&pp=ygUZYmF0dGxlZmllbGQgdGhlIHdlc3Qgd2FsbA%3D%3D

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1xPukKvFK7k

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uBBDvtVo1QU

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLtyDk118i4

[desert agate]

what an insanely Eurocentric and ignorant take on the Napoleonic wars

[timber linden]

Congrats to the brits on beating some second line troops and marshel plunder with the help of the guerrillas of Spain and Portugal.

....wait isn't england in europe?

[runic ermine]

I always saw this as the end for Germany too. Because this pretty much confirmed that Germany would be fighting on 3 fronts. Something that it could not afford to do

[burnt scarab]

Yes, they are part of Europe Kaga. If not, were does UK will be then ?

[runic ermine]

Yes. England is part of Europe

[burnt scarab]

Agreed Countryballs. Moreover they had no rescources or any industry backing due to bombing raids by US and British

[timber linden]

I don't know, I was accused of being "eurocentic" when stating the fact that the brits did little in the wars with napoleon besides funding austra and Russia to use its men as cannon fodder

Oh and Spain and having the royal navy

[burnt scarab]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CEICbAUmqRA&pp=ygUacGJzIHRoZSBib21iaW5nIG9mIGdlcm1hbnk%3D

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A5Qa5bVKxK8&list=PL8JEnvr9d4x8etzQ3F11uqehYqUQXTLnC&index=6&pp=iAQB

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=esgcXQpc_sU&pp=ygUbYmF0dGxlc3RhdGlvbnMgcCA1MSBtdXN0YW5n

[terse mesa]

https://youtu.be/ZftldlrLfLk?si=8GeIW31Pj3UHuSC2

[desert agate]

Facts require a basis in reality

The Royal Navy was the decisive factor in challenging the continental system which itself was decisive to ending the Napoleonic wars

[remote monolith]

ok like

it's true the British could have invested more men into the land campaign and expanded its army, however the pragmatical consideration is that the British wouldn't have the numbers to decisively challenge Napoleon, which was why the rely on the Austrians and the Russians to do the land warfare

while the Royal Navy supported its European Allies through naval blockades and neutralizing French outposts around the world

[autumn sorrel]

Russian Army was useless

[remote monolith]

....

not it was not?

the Russians and the Austrians provided the vast majority of the Coalition land army and they were the strongest power in Europe immediately after Napoleon was toppled

[timber linden]

https://tenor.com/view/wrong-drumpf-trump-stupid-gif-6220235

Russian army had more conscripts than the french had ammo

Russia carried the napoleonic wars.

Graveyard of conquerors it is

[timber linden]

Trade, the fact that most trade went off europe forced the major parties (russias) hand

[runic ermine]

Tell me who left Russia frozen, broken, and defeated?

[runic ermine]

How many countries have failed to successfully invade Russia?

[timber linden]

3 that I can think of

[spring briar]

Yawn

Go find another topic to bitch about

[hybrid sparrow]

[remote monolith]

oh sure its conscripts

not the fact that the Russians were at that point the most competent army in Europe and managed to retreat in good order during Borodino

[timber linden]

More like napoleon let them off the hook, he did not deploy the guard. That being said general winter would have finished them off one why or another.

[timber linden]

Napoleon preformed magic with his conscripts during the battle of France in 1814. Conscript doesn't mean bad quality, it is really a motivation.

Faith and fury

[remote monolith]

they were already dying at summer with the French already down a massive count pre-Borodino, and even if the Guard was committed leading to a decisive victory it's not certain that would have brought Russia to heel

by that point Alexander I's court was pretty resolute in rejecting peace overtures, Borodino in this case would have left Napoleon with an also damaged Guard formation

[remote monolith]

also about this, you said conscripts won the day for Russia because they had more body than French ammo and yet the Russian Army was smaller than the Grande Armee in totality throughout every phase of the Napoleonic War but the Hundred Days

so which one is correct

are they bigger or smaller

[timber linden]

I know they lost more on the march in then the march out. He lost most of the guard on the march out anyway. Hindsight but fortune favored the bold. He made a career about being bold

[remote monolith]

fortune favors the prepared, and committing the Guard wouldn't have given Napoleon any favor later on anyway

[timber linden]

So busy looking for a knockout blow he caught a left hook

Whole reason he matched to moscow was looking for his knock out blow.

....I like these debates. Much better than just reposting youtube videos

[autumn sorrel]

Spoon ask for an European centric and ignorant take on Napoleonic War, it isn't my opinion

[autumn sorrel]

Russian artillery was on par with French

Their infantry might not as professional or efficient as the Grande Armee but they often faced with extreme odd and not breaking

To dismiss them as British hired goon to fight Napoleon is extremely ignorant

[autumn sorrel]

That's Afghanistan

[runic ermine]

The Russian Army has had numerous advantages throughout history and even today including:
-Manpower
-A near unbreakable spirit
-It's soldiers being "built different"

[remote monolith]

I see, yeah that's and omega shitty opinion

[autumn sorrel]

Do that and the Guard will be absolutely mauled, they will come out on top but not before the Russian took a heavy toll on them

[remote monolith]

ok this isn't even exclusive to Russia though, pretty much every forces in Europe can have this applied one way or the other, and Russian manpower was never even considered an actual tangible advantage in discourses until post-WWII

like, Russia was getting its ass kicked regularly in the first nine years of the Great Northern War

plus again, the Grandee Armee basically dwarfed the Russian army in pure manpower and numbers for a good chunk of the Napoleonic Wars

[autumn sorrel]

Tbf, this is right after Peter reforms, his Army wasn't tested yet and they are facing the Carolingian, one of the most battle hardened and efficient military formation at the time

[remote monolith]

yeah but that's the point, they started winning because of plain old trial and error, not because they're built different or just sheer numbers

[autumn sorrel]

And Russian during the Napoleonic War just come out of reforms to fix Peter ecentric copy cat of Prussian Model

[remote monolith]

Charles XII eventually got cocky after six years of roughousing every one of his opponents and made a fatal mistake that permanently tipped the rest of the war to Russia

[autumn sorrel]

I would say that the Serfs system help Russian somewhat when instill the Discipline much needed in Gunpowder Warfare era

[remote monolith]

eeeeeh I don't see the connection, and even if that's the case then its because they adopted an outside institution, not because they're build different still or anything innate to Russia

besides that, I just don't see how getting chained as fucking slaves help improve discipline in any way except breeding hatred and dislike on the rich bastards coasting on their hardwork

[autumn sorrel]

He don't really have much chance anyway, even if he keep winning, if Peter and his Amry still intact and learning, the Swede never have the manpower advantage even in their peak and Charles allies wasn't able to effectively help him

[autumn sorrel]

Honestly, I don't really understand how the Serfs that serve in the Army never actually rebel until after the Napoleonic War

[remote monolith]

when you see how army men are usually treated you'll understand why

especially in a place as autocratic as Russia

[autumn sorrel]

Compare to British and Prussian then, much worse draconian discipline?

[remote monolith]

by Napoleonic? Russian

and that's saying something considering strict armies are in the first place

[runic ermine]

It wasn't only French forces who invaded Russia though

[runic ermine]

Prussian

[remote monolith]

yes, but they were the largest contingent with some 200,000 men in Russia, and the total size of the Grande Armee was close to half a million compared to the Russian Army generally agreed to range between 100k and 150k total

do remember even after Napoleon lost the vast majority of his Russian force he raised enough men to roughly equal the coalition at Leipzig

[remote monolith]

not true if you consider the Napoleonic times

where Prussia was infamously lax in discipline and quality

[runic ermine]

Yeah I was thinking about the Sevens Years War

[timber linden]

That is the graveyard of empires

[desert agate]

??????

the centre of European trade in the time period was China

in fact the centre of European trade for the last 600 years had been China

you're not even making a coherent point just trying to wank Russia to some degree

I'm sorry but no, Britain was not useless to the coalition wars and was a major player in continental affairs

the Royal Navy was the most decisive single entity in continental affairs

Britain was never going to be a significant land power, they never instituted conscription (the idea was wildly unpopular) and their small army was tied up supporting the Royal Navy

[desert agate]

false

[desert agate]

the British army, despite being a very nepotistic institution was, within the lower/NCO ranks quite an egalitarian force compared to other European armies of the period

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1860855502449655897

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1943, 644 men on USS Liscome Bay (CVE-56) were lost when the escort carrier was torpedoed. It was the largest loss of life in the sinking of a U.S. carrier. Among those killed was Dorie Miller who had been awarded the Navy Cross for his actions at Pearl Harbor.

Twitter · Nov 25, 2024, 1:18 AM

[desert agate]

https://www.minister.defence.gov.au/media-releases/2024-11-25/general-purpose-frigate-milestone-reached-down-selection-shipbuilders

Korean shipyards have been removed from the SEA3000 tender process, it's down to the MEKO design and Mogamis now

[remote monolith]

Is it Russsian wank when the argument boiled down to Tsarist Hordes

[desert agate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSEpvBk0rBQ&ab_channel=NotAPoundForAirToGround

[desert agate]

its definitely not wanking anyone else

[wooden sentinel]

Battle of Bonomisaki

[mystic schooner]

I have a question regarding fleet/faction naming in WWII. In AL, we use USS, HMS, KMS and so on and forth to signify wich faction a ship belongs to. What is the technical term for such call outs and are all we use in AL historical? I would look into it, but i wasnt sure what to search for ^^'

is it a Ship Prefix?

for background to my question, i was thinking of playing a fleet-tabletop-game and was looking into ship-names and prefixes and was hoping to get them to be historically accurate, even if the ships themselfes are not historical

[hard prism]

that's why the USA has become mid

[desert agate]

????

[eternal veldt]

Ship prefix, but the only nations currently in game to receive ship prefixes are the US Navy and the Royal Navy (British and Italian) only.

IJN, KMS, SN (ew), MNF and FFNF (even more ew) are all conjectural and were never used by their respective navies.

Honestly, something like VMF/FS would have been better off for Soviets and the French...

[burnt scarab]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wN1q9QktEf0

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1LcwLRqWw_I

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj0AzL95Weg&pp=ygUTbTQgc2hlcm1hbiB2cyB0aWdlcg%3D%3D

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AkJTAtwJPlw&pp=ygUfZ3JlYXRlc3QgdGFuayBiYXR0bGVzIGFycmFjb3VydA%3D%3D

[narrow rover]

Uh... the civilian government was certainly insane

[timber linden]

https://youtu.be/eq3brUMm3gA?si=99Cu7NMcubYJfmhl

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1861105836833095987

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1961, USS Enterprise was commissioned, becoming the world's first nuclear-powered aircraft carrier. CVN-65 was the eighth U.S. naval vessel to bear the name Enterprise. The Gerald R. Ford-class carrier CVN-80 currenty under construction will continue the tradition.

Twitter · Nov 25, 2024, 5:53 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1861177530385936720

[runic ermine]

I can't wait
http://youtube.com/post/UgkxOCrkfCELsTn6l5yZQ7HAxG0cx03l3QnB?si=THIawv5cR1S2coP2

[terse mesa]

https://youtu.be/AIxauqLcKR8?si=7X3uCRirO8HFGidx

[maiden stirrup]

How many more until they get warp nacelles? 🤔

[maiden citrus]

2, possibly 3

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmKE7ZDnsY8

[burnt scarab]

That ship disguise as a island...

The one christmas sent

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBcZUOz8J8k

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aNCSjqzIss

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1861886540344881526

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1942, the French fleet at Toulon was scuttled to prevent Nazi German forces from taking it over. The French destroyed 77 of their vessels including the battleships Dunkerque, Provence, and Strasbourg. Several subs escaped after the captains refused to scuttle their boats.

Twitter · Nov 27, 2024, 9:35 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1861919004765347873

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

In the 1970s, a group tried to save USS Essex (CV-9) and USS Randolph (CV-15) by proposing that the two carriers be welded bow-to-bow to form a Short Take Off Landing (STOL) airport on the Hudson River in Manhattan. The airport proposal failed but led to the creation of the

Twitter · Nov 27, 2024, 11:44 PM

of the Intrepid Museum.

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1861955436481589588

[runic ermine]

Fun fact: The majority of the ships scuttled at Toulon are not in azur lane

[terse mesa]

https://youtu.be/gdKVnrlhe-o?si=iEvO7bk23kMgvT6I

[eternal veldt]

Dunkerque, Strasbourg, Algerie, Foch, Dupleix, La Galissoniere, Marseillaise, Mogador, L'Indomptable, Le Mars, just to name but a few

"Majority" is an exaggeration

Tfw Soouf is the only sister left alive, feelsbadman

[spring briar]

Duquesne and Tourville tho

[runic ermine]

I mean majority as in most aren't in Azur Lane yet

[eternal veldt]

That's the thing, quite a portion is already in game

those that aren't are either relatively obsolete or deactivated because V*chy France can't do anything worth a shit and has to play puppet

Genuinely terrible

[mental tapir]

Replying to your own comment from three years ago

Also omfg 2021 is three years ago

[eternal veldt]

Just my way of referring to a quote rather than forwarding it. I'm not familiar with the new function yet.

[runic ermine]

https://x.com/HMCSSACKVILLE1/status/1861772489237365036?t=i_Lt2G4bVk1-WDtrt4XNlg&s=19

Canadian Naval Memorial Trust (@HMCSSACKVILLE1) on X

From wartime hero to a proud symbol of Canada’s naval history.

HMCS Sackville during service in the Second World War compared to today as a beautifully restored tribute to the sacrifices of the Battle of the Atlantic.

Twitter · Nov 27, 2024, 2:02 PM

[maiden stirrup]

The Sackville this past July.

It's been quite a few years since I last toured her.

[terse mesa]

https://youtu.be/f1Gtlh-hCpc?si=2t2o0M_90Z08fLz3

[mental tapir]

https://youtu.be/vOefnNBjC9k

I wonder if anyone has thought of/suggested tail sidewinders/amraams as a replacement

[junior trench]

P6M Seamaster tail missile launcher proposal

[terse mesa]

https://youtu.be/65IsFySIQr0?si=SX9BLqiWDfWBYumY

[young smelt]

https://youtu.be/5iRGDRp5yMo?si=MDcJC7UCZ2WPxWox

Idk if is alr been posted

[runic ermine]

https://x.com/NavalInstitute/status/1862519713483354486?t=7xu1Jj276P894aetTdMF0g&s=19

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1944, the Imperial Japanese Navy aircraft carrier Shinano was torpedoed and sunk by USS Archerfish (SS-311) just 10 days after being commissioned. The Shinano was the largest carrier built at that time and remains the largest warship to be sunk by a submarine.

Twitter · Nov 29, 2024, 3:31 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1862574169226903752

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1941, Navy defeated Army in football. The game program featured a photo of USS Arizona with the caption "despite the claims of air enthusiast no battleship has yet been sunk by bombs." The Arizona would be sunk one week later by Japanese bombers at Pearl Harbor.

Twitter · Nov 29, 2024, 7:07 PM

[eager junco]

scaryu

[timber linden]

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-conspiracy-gif-19179336

[unkempt sedge]

https://youtu.be/UrNxU8iiu48?si=2kIcVZlaTWGjMePe

[rich nebula]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Janus_(F53)

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1862674829662372298

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

This is the battleship HMS Rodney showing a bit of firepower flair by fanning her 16" guns. Rodney was damaged by her own guns while firing 378 16" shells at the battleship Bismarck in 1941. The shock broke water mains and loosened plates, causing flooding.
#FirepowerFriday

Twitter · Nov 30, 2024, 1:47 AM

[rich nebula]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_aircraft_carrier_Kaga

[timber linden]

Best fox

[rich nebula]

yep

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1862877895678423277

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1942, USS New Orleans was hit by a torpedo and lost her entire bow during the Battle of Tassafaronga. The crew made quick repairs with coconut logs and then sailed the cruiser in reverse for 1,800 miles to reach Sydney, Australia.

Twitter · Nov 30, 2024, 3:14 PM

[wooden sentinel]

1945 nagato

[desert agate]

I'm loving the channel trend of posting a picture without adding anything whatsoever to any discussion because apparently that's what history is all about

[ivory ridge]

[burnt scarab]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2tFeqF-ijdI&pp=ygUSZG9nZmlnaHRzIGJpc21hcmNr

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E-Ryv5Opij4&pp=ygUja2luZ3MgYW5kIGdlbmVyYWxzIGJyZXdzdGVyIGJ1ZmZhbG8%3D

[terse mesa]

https://youtu.be/4USeNAYIuOc?si=k7am-xKEhAFROVJu

[desert agate]

yep lets just post random videos by channels that dont know what theyre talking about for some reason

this adds a lot to any discussion i agree

and a Finnish documentary on the Bismarck???

[pallid grove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ7n-uYSVkA This caused the most emotion I've ever felt from a history video: The story of the first black combat pilot of all time, fought in both WW1 and WW2, and was awarded all 3 of the top medals available to soldiers in France: Eugene Buller, from Columbia, Georgia

[autumn sorrel]

I mean, I would love to but I am img ban and even link can get me warn

[autumn sorrel]

On that note, what do you think about NZ inquiry into the sinking of their ship?

[subtle prawn]

Wtf did you post to get image banned?

[autumn sorrel]

It seem that helm crew during the watch was inexperienced that they didn't know auto pilot was not on

[autumn sorrel]

Owari arts, from the DISH himself

I ask tea and he said it was fine, mod decided it was not fine 45 min later and hit me

[wooden sentinel]

yamato and musashi

[eternal veldt]

@maiden citrus a spud for you

[maiden citrus]

awe yeh, good stuff

[manic latch]

The historic 117.3m superyacht Galeb , formerly owned by Marshal Tito, President of the former Yugoslavia, has completed an extensive five-year refurbishment at the Kraljevica shipyard in Croatia.

Galeb will now operate as a museum showcasing the ship's history, as well as public areas including a restaurant, café and guest accommodation.

After Tito's death, ownership of Galeb (meaning "seagull" in Croatian) passed to the government of Montenegro after the breakup of Yugoslavia. It was later sold to Greek billionaire John Paul Papanikolaou , owner of Christina O , but was confiscated by the Croatian government in 2009 for failure to pay mooring fees.

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1863608184440566063

[fierce sparrow]

https://x.com/simonharley/status/1863639328880038162

Simon Harley (@simonharley) on X

A mate sent me this. Apparently the guy phoned a friend, who said Verdun. He played it “safe” and took £16,000.

Twitter · Dec 2, 2024, 5:40 PM

[spring briar]

[runic ermine]

I'm Verdun with his stupidity

[grave ravine]

Obviously can't be Jutland, it's got land in the name

[sullen canyon]

Angry Hipper Noises intensifies

[lament hazel]

BTD-1 irl

with six finger dive brake system

[tacit sage]

Quick question: I was trying to look this up but didn't really get much of an answer. I know the Kearsarge (Research Ship) is based on specific plans, but I was curious if the hull of the ship itself is identical to the hull of another BB, if the hull is just based on another ship, or if the hull is completely original?

For example, is she based on the NC-Class or no? (Etc) I don't really have the eye for this, so I figured I'd ask here.

[subtle prawn]

#history message This link should give you the answer

[tacit sage]

Kind of? IDK

[subtle prawn]

That would be a no

[tacit sage]

It talks about the similarities between armament between Kearsarge and the NC Class, but it doesn't talk about the actual body of the ship. (It does mention the superstructure, but that's about it)

[eternal veldt]

NC and Project 1058 has nothing in relation with each other.

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1863990358088057046

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD 1945, FADM Ernest King issued his final report on Navy operations during WWII. He credited victory in the Pacific to overwhelming seapower and America's industrial might. He used this graph to illustrate the annihilation of Japan's Navy as the US Navy grew from 1941 to 1945.

Twitter · Dec 3, 2024, 4:55 PM

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1864033165095948426
https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1864033167629275636
https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1864033170200342819

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1945, the trial began for Capt. Charles McVay over the loss of USS Indianapolis. Of all the CO's who lost ships during WWII, McVay was the only one court-martialed. McVay was charged with hazarding his ship by not using the technique of zigzagging to avoid sub attacks.

Twitter · Dec 3, 2024, 7:45 PM

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

Mochitsura Hashimoto, who sank the Indianapolis as CO of the sub I-58, was called to be a witness for the prosecution but testified that zigzagging would not have prevented him from making his successful torpedo attack. However, McVay was still found guilty of negligence.

Twitter · Dec 3, 2024, 7:45 PM

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

The entire ordeal weighed heavily on McVay who committed suicide in 1968. Survivors of the Indianapolis maintained that his conviction was unjust. They campaigned for decades to clear his name. McVay was posthumously exonerated in 2001.

Twitter · Dec 3, 2024, 7:45 PM

Apparently, somebody speculated that he was targeted to get back at his father

[tacit sage]

I know, what I'm trying to figure out is what the hull/body of the ship is based on, particularly the WoWs model.

[eternal veldt]

Nothing - its an original hull design by Gibbs.

[tacit sage]

I see. I wasn't sure if WoWs had adapted anything to make the hull similar to another USS BB

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1864116888541725124

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1945, a de Havilland Sea Vampire operating from HMS Ocean became the first purely jet-powered aircraft to land and take-off from a carrier.
#aviation

Twitter · Dec 4, 2024, 1:17 AM

[wooden sentinel]

yamashiro

[light dagger]

Laffy and hiei on guadalcanal

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1864390883916861488

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmIOLMkKr-I

[manic latch]

@shrewd pecan yo Leclerc with a cope cage is now real

[spring briar]

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cuh47kYfoVs

[subtle prawn]

https://bsky.app/profile/navalinstitute.bsky.social/post/3lcjowimjkq2s

U.S. Naval Institute (@navalinstitute.bsky.social)

During WWII, the Japanese Navy requisitioned all 36 passenger liners belonging to NYK Line and converted them to aircraft carriers and troop transports. By 1945, all the liners had been sunk except the hospital ship Hikawa Maru which is now a museum.
#WarshipWednesday

Bluesky · Dec 5, 2024, 3:09 AM

[terse mesa]

https://youtu.be/NJ7n-uYSVkA?si=a8Q3obnzclhXkVlI

[frozen junco]

The view from the ball turret of a B-17 Flying Fortress

A German Soldier Lights The Cigarette Of A British Soldier At An Advanced Field Dressing Station During The Battle Of Epehy 18 September 1918 (colorized)

The original

[light dagger]

L.A on February 24–25, 1942

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1864687835808452657

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1945, Flight 19 of five TBF Avengers disappeared in the Bermuda Triangle. A Navy investigation concluded that the planes ran out of fuel after leader LT Charles Taylor got lost. Taylor's mother did not want her son blamed, so she lobbied to have the report changed to

Twitter · Dec 5, 2024, 3:06 PM

state "cause unknown" which has led to bizarre theories about the aviators being abducted by aliens.

[tacit sage]

Battle of Los Angeles?

Scizo LA

[autumn sorrel]

Either that or admit the trainer got entire flight killed because of his ego

[burnt scarab]

Admrial McVay III, you will not be forgotten

To be honest, I actually miss this guy Siper. What a waste that he has to go...😭

[remote monolith]

I HATE BERMUDA THEORIES I HATE BERMUDA THEORIES

[narrow rover]

There's also "Brazil Maru" still around somewhere in China for some reason

[lament hazel]

Bismarck as seen from Prinz Eugen

[subtle prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oxUZCKzPT8

[subtle prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/RoyalCanNavy/status/1865041807597257100

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1865106988176224288

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

#OTD in 1941, LT Ichiro Kitajima briefed torpedo bomber pilots aboard the aircraft carrier Kaga about the plan to attack Pearl Harbor the next morning. Planes from the Kaga would score hits on the battleships Nevada, Oklahoma, Arizona, California, West Virginia, and Maryland.

Twitter · Dec 6, 2024, 6:52 PM

[subtle prawn]

https://news.usni.org/2024/12/06/first-u-s-warship-fitted-for-hypersonic-missiles-back-in-the-water

[lament hazel]

Lt. Kiyoto Furuta. One of the few aviators to take part in Pearl Harbour and survive the war. He is credited with scoring two hits (in separate occasions) on the USS Enterprise with his Aichi D3A. He was in the second wave of attack on 7th Dec Pearl Harbour Raid and almost didn't make it to home-carrier Akagi with low fuel and damage from AAs. He also took part in the Solomon Island air battle, Battle of Santa Cruz islands (it is in these two occasions he would strike the Enterprise). After the war he settled on farming

[subtle prawn]

https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/status/1865241774693773804

U.S. Naval Institute (@NavalInstitute) on X

The guided missile cruiser USS Galveston (CLG-3) fires a three six-inch gun salvo in 1968 (projectiles can be seen upper left hand corner). In the 1986 film TOP GUN, Maverick's G-1 leather flight jacket includes a USS Galveston “Far East Cruise ’63–4” patch.
#FirepowerFriday

Twitter · Dec 7, 2024, 3:47 AM

[burnt scarab]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FKlcyV498g8&pp=ygUfaGFuZ292ZXIgaGVyb2VzIG9mIHBlYXJsIGhhcmJvcg%3D%3D
Favorite heroes of Pearl Harbor

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=atswOZcd8Ck
This one another of my favorite

[fallow pagoda]

Why is bro looking at me.

[burnt scarab]

Unsure Texan. It's just the animation for the plot I think

[shy finch]

Something cool to post here about my home island

During ww2, Maui served as a training island, we were also hit by japanese shells when they tried to attack pearl harbor again, hitting a pineapple cannery, as well as a smokestack, that fell and killed a rooster

More can be read here

https://sanctuaries.noaa.gov/maritime/expeditions/maui/history.html

[narrow rover]

Oh yea the last living man to take part in the Pearl Harbor attack died a few weeks ago

[runic ermine]

The day of infamy

[runic ermine]

Also Chuck Yeager died in 2020 today

[timber linden]

As it has noted to me numerous times: this is not a current event channel

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-ackchyually-actually-gif-11156171

[timber linden]

I was wondering how many of them made it through the war. Could probably count on a single hand

[echo onyx]

anniversary day boys

[lament hazel]

its an unfortunate thing that Japan lost so many experienced, highly skilled aviators throughout the war

and those who survived weren't given the veteran's treatment

[lament hazel]

YESS I watched it too yesterday! This film is peak!

[echo onyx]

wanted to watch the japanese extended cut...

but

it is just too bright